"Closer than you think" Really? It didn't look that way to me. It looked like the M2 convincingly trounced the Mustang. The M2 would've probably beaten the Dark Horse Mustang.
Sam never seems to estimate the gap very well, it's always "about a car length" but even if he's using a cadillac from the 1960's to measure his car length it still doesn't compute.
Really wish more channels would do just Autos vs Autos. This along with the Hagerty video has both m2 and mustang with manuals. I think the m2 would still edge out but an auto will test how well the car performs not how well the driver performs.
Agreed. There's just so much room for driver/operator error. As the old saying goes, the best mod is a driver mod. A better comparison would be if they switched cars every other test.
BMW at it again with their underrated horsepower numbers. That M2 is over 500hp for sure. They rate the M8 competition at 617 hp, it weighs well over 2 tons and can run a 10.7 1/4 mile....617 hp, maybe at the wheels...lol.
Hmm were shifts clean in the mustang? Everytime he shifted the m2 jumped ahead. Anyway we gotta wait for the gen 7 refresh to see any improvement over the gen 6
Jason Camisma did a video of the Dark Horse 6MT vs the M2 6MT.. the Dark Horse got gapped. So the Mustang GT even with perfect shifts wouldn't do so well.. M2 is just faster.
hm i saw that video, now i remember being disappointed with the dark horse. I don't remember the shifts being bad though. Maybe the outcome would have been the same as you say@@patc8653
For the love of god can we see the cars going down the strip instead of a few seconds of take off, it just feel like I’m watching the grass and trees out the side window instead of the cars 😂
Fords are lucky to get what Ford rates them at, even their trucks. BMW, on the other hand publishes wheel horsepower as crank, so that M2 is closer to 440hp.
Honestly it’d get gapped. At least by the M2, they’re massively underrated as per usual from BMW & are actually making ~460 wheel stock. The 5.0’s making ~400 whp, & the Nismo Z is probably making high 300’s, low 400’s to the wheels I’d imagine
100% confident the Nismo has no chance against the M2 especially with its slow shifting Automatic. Might have a closer race with manual but I'm certain the Nismo will get gapped as well.
I ask because he did the regular z vs. Mustang, it kept up(kinda). I'm curious to see if the small bump in power from the nizmo could pull it ahead of the Mustang.
486 = flywheel horsepower, which is how most/all manufacturers list power. 18% drivetrain loss = 398 wheel HP… so their listing is dead on. BMW is known for doing the opposite and listing wheel HP so it appears unusually fast “for the power” since people assume it’s less. At the end of the day 2 car lengths each race is the diffference in gearing and weight. Let’s put the base mustang against a regular 2 or 3 series (non M) and see the difference. Good race Sam, and good shifting.
The Dark Horse would have been a more head to head price point wise. But even that’s for a poorly equipped M2. The reality is the M2 will spend many more days at the dealership shop. That’s just how beamers are. Nice new but a headache for the owner.
The Mustang has a way to long gearing compared to it´s power/torque to weight ratio and naturally aspirated engine. On top of that, the BMW has at least real 50hp and 50-100nm of torque more than the Mustang. These big digital screens in the Mustang in my opinion doesn´t fit anymore to the character of the car, which you expect to feel analog in terms of driver feeling.
The Mustang is a better looking car by far and I own a 23 BMW 2 Series..not the M2. Sounds better too and is an American icon. Unless you drag race, who cares if it beat the Mustang. Let the cars get older, then repair them…come back and tell us what do you prefer.
I have watched several of his videos and I am certain that this guy has no idea how to drive cars with manual transmissions,. He shifts too early and apparently doesn't know how to power shift. Any comparison with him driving a manual transmission is no comparison at all. He needs to know how to get the most out of the cars he drives.
M240i xDrive seems to clearly be the better pick for an all-around daily. It runs almost the same 1/4 mile and a faster 0-60 (AWD FTW) than the M2, for cheaper with much better mpg. Unless you track a few times a month, then go M2 or Porsche, etc.
@@speeddemon311 The RS3 competes with the M2 on price. Just to get the HUD & better speakers they are both nearly identically priced at $66K. The M240i xDrive with HUD & better speakers is under $56K. The S4 would be a better comparison at $10K less loaded up. In general the Audis are more practical with 4 doors (3 more inches of leg room and 2 in headroom); however, I find their styling very bland in a boring shape. If I needed more space a M340i would be my pick.
M240i will drive, look and feel like any other 2 series inside and out. M2 is well worth the price just to get a much more special car (and manual transmission)
Na v8 that has to rev tf out to get power has some torque but needs to rev out. V6 twin Turbo will get more torque down low and is able to get out on the stang
You give up a half second in the 1/4 with that shitrag MT-82 that’s in the mustang. Ford knew they had no pony car competition, hence the mustang being slow again.
I said the same thing, I was like it was literally 3-3 1/2 cars lengths, I watch a lot of 1320 videos and I'm pretty damn close to what they call on their races
I thought it might be closer than this with the NA Mustang getting a slight jump at the beginning of each pull but the BMW literally has no lag. Amazing.
@@jgaines3200 They should include no-launch drag race to show how they perform in normal driving. LC is cool for bragging rights but if you use it all the time in daily driving you will a) look like a complete idiot and b) wear out your transmission a lot faster. That's why I chose c) Tesla M3P lol.
@@pjsanab auto dark horse cost more than an M2... I priced both out as options on my next car for when I move back home to the US next year from my job in the UK (currently have a 2020 Audi RS Q3). M2 fully loaded was $76k and Dark Horse was $81k. The M2 is a million times better looking than the Dark Horse on the inside and gets a carbon roof.
Even with the 3.73 rear end the gears are too long. Not sure if they have changed the gears in the 24 cars My 2015 pp1 had short gears. Perfect! My 2019 Bullitt has super long gears. Not a good thing for drag racing. On a twisty road it does work . 2nd, and 3rd gears on the corners. Mine has magnaride with Ford racing m 9602 m suspension. Handles.
@@Koishishibaman emissions, the mt82 d4 is trash for that reason. You need 4.10 or 4.56 gears on the mustang to really make them shine if it's manual.
I'm not a major fan of the late model screen dash setups, can't see them aging well if any of these cars become classics. Seems like a lower ratio diff in the stang be better.
the Mustang engine has power from 5000 - 7500 rpm, the BMW from 2500 - 7000 rpm and the BMW has more torque across the entire speed range and thats why the beamer wins.
False. 1. BMW underrates their engines = it has more power than advertised. 2. The M2 in this video has aftermarket lighter wheels. 3. Mustang has longer gear ratios. 4. The M2 (officially) has 406lb-ft from 2650 up to 5870rpm and max power 453hp at 6250rpm. Only big diesel semi trucks have max power at 2000rpm. 5. When racing from a roll, the engine is in the high-rpm range, so the maximum torque (what happens under ~4500rpm) does not matter. Matters only the power between max and min rpm between shifts (like 5000-7000rpm). Higher power across the rev range is because of the higher torque in this rev range. :)
@@speeddemon311 No it does not )) go on a dyno and you'll see. The majority of stock 3.0L diesel passenger cars does not have full torque under 2000rpm. And he didn't even say torque. He said the power is from 2000rpm.
The new Mustang is so disappointing. The weird front grille on the GT. The tacked on screens. Then the Katy Perry version. Its gotten so heavy too. Just eh.
Bmw doesn’t lie about horsepower figures, they just always forget to write wheel before hp.
That is such a true statement. I own a 22 x5M and all the mustangs and chargers around here won’t race me anymore 🤣.
"Closer than you think" Really? It didn't look that way to me. It looked like the M2 convincingly trounced the Mustang. The M2 would've probably beaten the Dark Horse Mustang.
The performance pack mustang and the darkhorse have a more aggressive 3.55 rear end for better results in races like this. This is a base GT.
Maybe the Buttstang driver needs glasses and needs to take his dumb dark sunglasses 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
1-2 car lengths is pretty close to me. They shouldve compared the m3 to the mustang.
Jason Cammisa has raced the M2 vs the dark Horse , the M2 just walked away from the mustang
Yes it would. People can’t stand to watch the beloved mustang get its ass kicked. The Mustang crowd is tough to deal with lol
Sam never seems to estimate the gap very well, it's always "about a car length" but even if he's using a cadillac from the 1960's to measure his car length it still doesn't compute.
Yeah, it's not a very well organized channel, but the matchups are interesting, which is why I watch it.
Agree that 2 to 3 car lengths lol.
ya Sams version of a car length is a bus length anywhere else lol!
What about a box car?
Can't go wrong with any of these but damn that beamer smoked the stang.
That's spelled 'bimmer'
The mustang guy was trash at shifting wdym
@@ltsAnthonythe M2 brutally pulled away even in the rolling races, shifting does not matter there anymore.
@@ltsAnthonyGod could come down to drive the GT and an M2 would still spank it.
@@ltsAnthony hagerty made a video of m2 smoking dark horse soo...
Really wish more channels would do just Autos vs Autos. This along with the Hagerty video has both m2 and mustang with manuals. I think the m2 would still edge out but an auto will test how well the car performs not how well the driver performs.
Agreed. There's just so much room for driver/operator error. As the old saying goes, the best mod is a driver mod. A better comparison would be if they switched cars every other test.
Went as expected
He can't shift
Damn that bimmer was gapping that stang big time!
The M-2 got more horsepower than 453Hp and torque for sure.
I’m pretty sure they dyno at 460 to the wheels, super underrated. That’s more like 540 crank than 460 crank lol
Yeah, BMW and Porsche always quote wheel HP
As well as mustang got less hp than on papers for real. And this race is the proof.
"I wasn't to far behind maybe about a car". Literally had him by 2-5 depending on the race.
Well for sure all M cars are 50 to 60 hp underrated. Seen stock numbers.
BMW at it again with their underrated horsepower numbers. That M2 is over 500hp for sure. They rate the M8 competition at 617 hp, it weighs well over 2 tons and can run a 10.7 1/4 mile....617 hp, maybe at the wheels...lol.
Hmm were shifts clean in the mustang? Everytime he shifted the m2 jumped ahead. Anyway we gotta wait for the gen 7 refresh to see any improvement over the gen 6
Yea auto would’ve been better shifts were bad I noticed it in both races as soon as he’d shift he’d lose a lot of space against the m2
yea the car bogged big time on every shift. i thought it should have been a closer race@@christianxc98
Jason Camisma did a video of the Dark Horse 6MT vs the M2 6MT.. the Dark Horse got gapped. So the Mustang GT even with perfect shifts wouldn't do so well.. M2 is just faster.
hm i saw that video, now i remember being disappointed with the dark horse. I don't remember the shifts being bad though. Maybe the outcome would have been the same as you say@@patc8653
Needs a driver mod. Put derek baran productions or ydbt in the driver seat.
I know the purists will hate this, but don’t get the 6MT Stang for racing, 10A all the way…much better performing
For the love of god can we see the cars going down the strip instead of a few seconds of take off, it just feel like I’m watching the grass and trees out the side window instead of the cars 😂
Uff da that shifting...
Fords are lucky to get what Ford rates them at, even their trucks. BMW, on the other hand publishes wheel horsepower as crank, so that M2 is closer to 440hp.
Do s550 be s650. Im sure you'll be surprised!
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@@SamCarLegion sweet thanks !!
Sorry ford BMW is fast
It’s not the car it’s the driver 😊
Of course it is 😂😂😂 make more excuses 😂😂😂
Cope harder!😄
Just my two cents. In the beginning I wouldve placed the specs above the respective cars instead of flipped.
That guy with the m2 I think they have a tuned s4. You should definitely do some videos with that car seems super dope!
Would love to see how the nismo version of the z does against these 2 if all had auto versions for no driver error issues.
Honestly it’d get gapped. At least by the M2, they’re massively underrated as per usual from BMW & are actually making ~460 wheel stock. The 5.0’s making ~400 whp, & the Nismo Z is probably making high 300’s, low 400’s to the wheels I’d imagine
100% confident the Nismo has no chance against the M2 especially with its slow shifting Automatic. Might have a closer race with manual but I'm certain the Nismo will get gapped as well.
That new Z would get beaten by an M240i as well.😊
Have you seen the new Z win a race?
I ask because he did the regular z vs. Mustang, it kept up(kinda). I'm curious to see if the small bump in power from the nizmo could pull it ahead of the Mustang.
Makes sense
Ford over rates HP, BMW under rates HP
With All respect you need a class of shifting my friend 😂😂😂😂 no offense just a fact 🥴🤪👍
Blaha blahh blahh take like a man mustang got walked 😂
@@thatr34monster49you can literally see every time he shifts the mustang loses so much space moron open your eyes and quit being ignorant
Auto would probably be a closer race I notice every time you shift you lose a lot of space during the race
Yea auto vs manual. Auto vs auto m2 would destroy this and dark horse handedly
Ford says it is 486 hp but on the dynos it is 398hp
Of course
486 = flywheel horsepower, which is how most/all manufacturers list power. 18% drivetrain loss = 398 wheel HP… so their listing is dead on. BMW is known for doing the opposite and listing wheel HP so it appears unusually fast “for the power” since people assume it’s less. At the end of the day 2 car lengths each race is the diffference in gearing and weight. Let’s put the base mustang against a regular 2 or 3 series (non M) and see the difference. Good race Sam, and good shifting.
@@SamCarLegionthe RUclips crowd is full of scholars who think BHP is somehow measured on a Dynamometer. 😂 😂
Always loved the Mustang but that little M2 is a rocket.
It's amazing hope the M2 just pulls away. That car is fast.
That depends upon what you thought.
Carwow is quite entertaining :) And Hagerty is in a different league!
The Dark Horse would have been a more head to head price point wise. But even that’s for a poorly equipped M2. The reality is the M2 will spend many more days at the dealership shop. That’s just how beamers are. Nice new but a headache for the owner.
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Looked like someone was holding back.
The stats are cr*p. Mustang GT was recently weighed at 4025 lbs by Caranddriver while the BMW M2 was weighed at 3900 lbs in a recent test
Didn’t look close at all lol, second race he said he was behind about a car, looked to be at least 2+.
Take them to a prep drag strip and get some guys who know how to drive
The result was obvious before the video)
Nice match up
need a dark horse vs that m2 because they are about same price so better comparison
Each tenth of a second is about a car length. The BMW clearly the winner of each run.
Being the same weight as an M2 is criminal
That v8 takes 2 business days to build boost
What boost stock mustang isn't it?
So 50k car vs 60k +plus car? Pretty close to me lol.
Rather be sat in the BM than have to look at it, not much of a looker. Dam goes well though.
Its obvious the M2 got more midrange punch and top end power it stops thw mustang pull and actually pull away
I wonder what the elevation is where they're testing. Might have to do with the difference in power as NA will have slight power loss vs a boosted car
The turbo made the difference
Why not just do a standing start?
The Mustang has a way to long gearing compared to it´s power/torque to weight ratio and naturally aspirated engine. On top of that, the BMW has at least real 50hp and 50-100nm of torque more than the Mustang. These big digital screens in the Mustang in my opinion doesn´t fit anymore to the character of the car, which you expect to feel analog in terms of driver feeling.
M2 killed it
Came out just like I thought it would. I do have to wonder why anyone would drag race with a manual transmission.
More like 2 or 3 cars on the second roll race
And he got the manual version too😭, the manual m2 is way slower compared to the automatic one…
This dude needs to drive an automatic cars!
The Mustang is a better looking car by far and I own a 23 BMW 2 Series..not the M2. Sounds better too and is an American icon. Unless you drag race, who cares if it beat the Mustang. Let the cars get older, then repair them…come back and tell us what do you prefer.
Truth.
Mustang Gt is like Superman. Its the American hero who somehow always gets beaten by the bad guys in almost every cartoon series.
Need a little more spirited.....quicker shifting in the mustang.
M2 has more torque, mustang has a similar peak HP for like 100rpm. Nice racing and shifting.
Do Lexus is350 vs accord 2.0t
I have watched several of his videos and I am certain that this guy has no idea how to drive cars with manual transmissions,. He shifts too early and apparently doesn't know how to power shift. Any comparison with him driving a manual transmission is no comparison at all. He needs to know how to get the most out of the cars he drives.
M240i xDrive seems to clearly be the better pick for an all-around daily. It runs almost the same 1/4 mile and a faster 0-60 (AWD FTW) than the M2, for cheaper with much better mpg. Unless you track a few times a month, then go M2 or Porsche, etc.
What are your thoughts on the RS3 as a daily driver option with the Quattro and 5 cylinder sound?
@@speeddemon311 The RS3 competes with the M2 on price. Just to get the HUD & better speakers they are both nearly identically priced at $66K. The M240i xDrive with HUD & better speakers is under $56K. The S4 would be a better comparison at $10K less loaded up. In general the Audis are more practical with 4 doors (3 more inches of leg room and 2 in headroom); however, I find their styling very bland in a boring shape. If I needed more space a M340i would be my pick.
M240i will drive, look and feel like any other 2 series inside and out. M2 is well worth the price just to get a much more special car (and manual transmission)
40k cdn more for the bmw m2, I’d expect it to be a little faster that the mustang…
German 100Hp=Others 500Hp
Can we do this but add in an RS3 and all autos?
RS3 will beat them to 400 yards then M2 will pass... RS3 is AWD an M2 is RWD
I’m from Toronto, anyone please help me with this track location?
It’s not a track it’s a private runway we rent
@@SamCarLegion how can i rent it, i would love to drive my v8 there
What V8?
Na v8 that has to rev tf out to get power has some torque but needs to rev out. V6 twin Turbo will get more torque down low and is able to get out on the stang
Seen other videos going the opposite way, so who knows. The performance pack w/ automatic is the best performer.
Jason Camisma already did a video of the Dark Horse 6MT vs the M2 6MT.. The Dark Horse got gapped.
You give up a half second in the 1/4 with that shitrag MT-82 that’s in the mustang. Ford knew they had no pony car competition, hence the mustang being slow again.
Not that close...
Germany uses larger horses 😂
“Closer than you think” click bait title
Know the result even b4 watching it 😂 m2 is gonna annihilate that mustang
More like a gap that could fit one of those seized russian yachts. The M2 is definitely impressive.
I hope you guys realise that the m2 have 450ish to the wheel not crank
That turned out EXACTLY as expected.
Yea, he needs to work on his naming for videos.
Dam … are bummers that much faster
@@Mr.Helper. yes that’s the cheapest m car
"I was behind you by maybe a car" lol. That was at least 3 car lenghts.
I said the same thing, I was like it was literally 3-3 1/2 cars lengths, I watch a lot of 1320 videos and I'm pretty damn close to what they call on their races
As Jason Cammisa said, the M2 has a monster third gear. It just starts to walk the Mustang at that point.
I thought it might be closer than this with the NA Mustang getting a slight jump at the beginning of each pull but the BMW literally has no lag. Amazing.
There is a little lag but yes it does build boost pretty quickly as long as your at 3k rpm or higher.
@@jgaines3200 They should include no-launch drag race to show how they perform in normal driving. LC is cool for bragging rights but if you use it all the time in daily driving you will a) look like a complete idiot and b) wear out your transmission a lot faster. That's why I chose c) Tesla M3P lol.
Whould be interesting a race between current gen Mustang GT vs previous gen, both manual vs manual and auto vs auto.
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He sucks ar driving so doesn’t matter 2nd gear for 32 mph roll
Mustang needs a driver mod. Dude shifts slower than a 70’s automatic
He does but the Mustang is significantly quicker in real world racing with the auto than the 6 speed tall geared transmission
@@cantbsdave brother I could make a sandwich between those shifts.
@@cantbsdavenegative, automatic m2 is still faster then 10 speed 5.0.
Also short shifting an NA car which has the power on top RPMs.
Mustang GT no progress since 2015. Just the different look.
I beat mustangs in my stock 2022 m340i😂😂😂
The GT needs the performance package which bumps the rear diff gears from 3.27 to 3.73s. That's why the gears are so long in that GT.
Exactly and it would have been closer race.
the automatic transmision dark horse could have beaten the M2.
@@pjsanab auto dark horse cost more than an M2... I priced both out as options on my next car for when I move back home to the US next year from my job in the UK (currently have a 2020 Audi RS Q3). M2 fully loaded was $76k and Dark Horse was $81k. The M2 is a million times better looking than the Dark Horse on the inside and gets a carbon roof.
Even with the 3.73 rear end the gears are too long. Not sure if they have changed the gears in the 24 cars
My 2015 pp1 had short gears. Perfect! My 2019 Bullitt has super long gears. Not a good thing for drag racing. On a twisty road it does work . 2nd, and 3rd gears on the corners. Mine has magnaride with Ford racing m 9602 m suspension. Handles.
@@Koishishibaman emissions, the mt82 d4 is trash for that reason. You need 4.10 or 4.56 gears on the mustang to really make them shine if it's manual.
As expected
The automatic mustang is one second faster, so it would absolutely blow the BMW out of the way as you don’t expect
And an automatic M2 would smash the mustang. What's your point?@@donnysmith7162
I'm not a major fan of the late model screen dash setups, can't see them aging well if any of these cars become classics.
Seems like a lower ratio diff in the stang be better.
the mustang looks horrible. Better off getting the previous gen.
the Mustang engine has power from 5000 - 7500 rpm, the BMW from 2500 - 7000 rpm and the BMW has more torque across the entire speed range and thats why the beamer wins.
False.
1. BMW underrates their engines = it has more power than advertised.
2. The M2 in this video has aftermarket lighter wheels.
3. Mustang has longer gear ratios.
4. The M2 (officially) has 406lb-ft from 2650 up to 5870rpm and max power 453hp at 6250rpm. Only big diesel semi trucks have max power at 2000rpm.
5. When racing from a roll, the engine is in the high-rpm range, so the maximum torque (what happens under ~4500rpm) does not matter. Matters only the power between max and min rpm between shifts (like 5000-7000rpm). Higher power across the rev range is because of the higher torque in this rev range. :)
@@Eugen-E thank you
Came here to say this 100%
@@Eugen-E wrong my B58 makes full torque from 1520 rpm, and that's because it's a single twin scroll turbo setup!
@@speeddemon311 No it does not )) go on a dyno and you'll see. The majority of stock 3.0L diesel passenger cars does not have full torque under 2000rpm.
And he didn't even say torque. He said the power is from 2000rpm.
The Ultimate Driving Machine.
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Ultimate heavy-weight champ, 3800lbs pos boat. Modern BMWs suck balls.
mustangs are driven by flag waving american idiots. M2 ALL DAY!!@@freddarau
@@freddaraureally 😂..cause those new beamers with the B58 beats a lot of those also heavy muscle cars
id be curious to see how it went with a better manual driver on the stang
Give it up M2 is king..
More like the king of the junkyard! 😂
@@Drako_93550 Oh why because it shitted on the Stang yea ok get over yourself guy life goes on and so do faster cars hello.
@@S58PSHIFTINGWin or lose BMW is junk though! It is what it is…..🤷🏻♂️
@@Drako_93550 Yea exactly leave the mustang in the garbage where It belongs.
Always a pleasure coming out and racing some American foes haha, great video! Cheers
Germany beat USA
No matter how you drive it the M2 is a better car on the street and track.
nice rims on that M2
The g87 is a beast. Check out Hagerty. Where they put up the M2 versus Dark horse and Supra and the lotus Emira. M2 smoked them all.
The new Mustang is so disappointing. The weird front grille on the GT. The tacked on screens. Then the Katy Perry version. Its gotten so heavy too. Just eh.
The better car from the better make won
Closer than you think 😂😂😂😂 M2 murdered the mustang not by a car length but 3 car length 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yea the s58 is just a monster plain and simple. The last of the greatest petrol engines ever potentially.