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The fact that Fat Electrician and Angry cops are on this rotation is absolutely amazing!!!!
And HLC!
They now have an app with everyone on it. PEPPERBOX TV
Angry Electrician? Fat Cops?
My 8th grade social studies teachers grandpa was in the death march and he was stabbed with a bayonet between the ribs and he played dead after falling into the weeds. Survived with a infection in said wound for about a week, and was found, nursed to health, and hidden by a sympathetic familly that owned a nearby pattie until the end of the war was announced. Only passed away 4 or 5 years ago i believe
Sounds like had better shit to do than die. That's terrible that he had to live through that but also badass that he lived in a situation where most men would've 100% died.
Filipino here. Yes a lot of filipinos and soldiers died in the march.
Some who escaped or survive the execution were rescued and nursed by locals.
Some of the officers regroup and formed a guerilla force along with Filipino soldiers and locals.
Dude it was decades before the Japanese would even acknowledge what they did to the Chinese and POWs, and even then they still massively downplay.
And their ambassadors were confused as towards why China and Korea still hate Japan: what Japan did in those countries wasn't taught in Japan, but sure was where they made the mass graves.
What about the Korean comfort girls?
@@susanwahl6322Japanese soldiers keeping Korean girls as "comfort" was honestly one of the less horrifying things they did, and that sentence should horrify anyone.
From what I understand Japanese citizens see Pearl Harbor as "a great accident" rather than a planned intentional military operation.
@@susanwahl6322To be fair, we in the US aren’t taught that the American and British occupation forces used the Comfort Women system (and not just the one they had, we actively “recruited” for it as well) until the spring of 1946 when the US press started finding out about it and half of our guys started getting STDs. And we used it for the exact same reason the Japanese did; to keep the rape cases against all the other civilians down. Recently evidence came out that we had the system going in Korea until the end of the Korean War, but I’ll have to find the article on it again. All this is to say that while Japan has a lot of work they need to do, we aren’t much better.
The movie "Tora, Tora, Tora!" was made with a Japanese film crew doing the Japanese parts and when it was released in Japan in none of the locals knew that Pearl was a sneak attack.
Because it wasn't.
Not sure where you got that in the movie either.
The Japanese government declared war on us 2-3 hours before the attack.
Our translators at the time kinda sucked at translating it fast.
If they had done it fast would it had helped? Hell no. That's kinda the point of officially declaring war right before you attack, so the opponent can't defend themselves as good.
Not like it was a surprise either.
If you actually watched the movie like it seems you are saying you also realize we knew shit might happen and didn't really prepare for it.
@@x808drifter The encoded telegram was sent to the Japanese embassy and it took the Japanese translators hours to get it sent out, after the attack had already begun.
There are always code breakers and spy's but the fact is nothing was KNOWN until the planes showed up, to the guy in the hammock and the nurse smoking Chesterfields there was no war.
Tora, Tora, Tora! was released in 1970 and most of the Japanese public had never heard that is was a sneak attack on a sleeping city on a day of rest.
It was just a great victory for the Empire.
@x808drifter
You got it backwards. They intended the declaration to arrive a few hours before the attack but messed up.
@@x808drifter Found the revisionist history goofball lol
We had Japanese diplomats sitting with our diplomats discussing peace while they were attacking us@@x808drifter
"You just made the United States a burglar."
Hey, that's Britain's thing!
nah, Britain retired from the 'beating you up in your own country' game and handed that job off to the USA who have taken it and ran with it....... It is like they are trying to speedrun Britain's record
@@RedtailFox1 Britain did it in half an hour, we salute you to try and beat our record.
Kababler
@Redtailfox1 Nah, they’re still doing it, but they just play second fiddle to the U.S.
The German Ambassador was like "Japan, chill, mein god."
You know your evil when Nazi Germany says that’s too much
It's pretty bad when the Nazis are protecting people from your genocide.
True story, guy was even a member of the Nazi Party. Actually a pretty decent guy all things considered.
I like the meme that people made of the Japanese saving Jews from the Nazi while the Nazis saved Chinese from the Japanese in WWII... Just both like "huh"
*Mein gott
American prisoner to Japanese guard: Umm....I think you guys just lost.
This honestly sounds like a Family Guy cut away.
Japan- "we did nothing"
*slides unit 731 file across table*
Dude I only just recently learned about 731 my mind froze up trying to process what I was hearing. Like…WTF how is this shit not taught in schools.
@aarondolney4178 what crazy is they got off scott-free too for just giving the US the experiment documents.
They pulled a give it to us or we'll let the USSR come put you to work in a gulag
@@aarondolney4178 In the extra content for the anime Black Lagoon, they do make a joke referencing Unit 731.
More ppl need to know about this
@@jagx234 couldn’t agree more, it’s freaking sad that some much history isn’t taught in schools.
Nagasaki was the Christian city. Jesuit missionaries landed there with Portuguese traders in the 1500s and converted hundreds of thousands of Japanese. Mariko from the Shogun book and TV series is one of these converted Japanese Christians.
There was a first hand account called "Hiroshima" written by a German Jesuit Priest that lived in Hiroshima.
And I don't even think that it was the 1st on the list, because of cloud cover over the primary they went to Hiroshima.
@@user-wm3bf7pi3uNagasaki was the one that was the secondary target. The primary target was Kokura
@@sirboomsalot4902 OK, I knew it was one or the other.
@@sirboomsalot4902 Giving rise to the term "Kokura Luck".
Jesuits? Oh no loss then.
those prison guards were like, "hey can i see the geveva convention book you keep on referencing", "huh, I should go"
Geneva convention was in late 1940s after WWII
@@hi14993 1849..... It was updated in 1949
🎉😊🎉@@hi14993
@@hi14993 No, it was post WWI in the 1920s
@@sophisthemlock246 i think there were like 2 or 3 geneva conventions
In short, China in the mid-1930s was ruled by the same government that rules Taiwan today, the Republic of China. Shortly before the Japanese invasion, the Chinese Civil War was winding down significantly, as most of China was under the firm control of the Nationalist government based out of Nanjing (with peripheral regions ruled by allied warlords), while the Communists were also holed up in Northern Shaanxi and had been eradicated everywhere else. It only would have taken one last small push to completely rid China of Communism, but unfortunately, the Japanese continued to encroach upon Chinese sovereignty, occupying Manchuria in 1931, and parts of Eastern Hebei and Inner Mongolia in 1935. The government focused on destroying internal threats first before militarily fighting the Japanese (using international diplomacy and economic warfare as a means to restrain Japan in the meantime), but a disgruntled allied warlord (Zhang Xueliang) whose father used to rule Manchuria but was assassinated by the Japanese decided to kidnap China's leader at the time, Chiang Kai Shek, and force him to agree to a truce with the Communists to form a second "Chinese United Front" against the Japanese, who invaded in full in 1937 and committed countless atrocities, including the Nanjing massacre (they also committed crimes against humanity in areas they occupied and ruled before the war, such as Unit 731). Crucially, during the war, the Nationalists did most of the fighting and were dealt the most damage, while the Communists mostly used the war to preserve their strength and form guerilla cells behind Japanese lines, and to a very large extent, this was why the exhausted Nationalist government post-war lost the civil war (which started up again) against the Communists. Mao even openly thanked the Japanese for saving them. Hence, being sympathetic to the Chinese and also anti-Japanese should not illicit Communist sympathies, as the Communists have the Japanese to thank the most for allowing them to gain power in China, commit further crimes against humanity and deprive yet more Chinese people of their lives.
It's not entirely accurate to say that the Taiwan government is the same as the Chinese nationalists. A direct successor yes, but they went through several ostensibly democratic reforms inorder to keep their legitimacy.
I thought you said "In short"
@@9HighFlyer9 That is the short version. The long version would require explaining international dealings across the world just to start.
0:09 fun thing: there's a picture from the city. The church wasn't completely destroyed from the bomb. A large portion of it was still standing and the church has been completely repaired.
"I use to be a Tanker!"
AC- Well that checks out-
That " Yeah, I can tell," at the end felt personal
If I recall, Kyoto was supposed to be the first target. That was changed because someone in Truman's cabinet had his honeymoon there and thought it was too beautiful to destroy.
They chose not to bomb it because it's the spiritual capital of Japan and the where worried it would galvanise the Japanese against them
Why Kyoto of all places? I mean I’d make more sense if it was its neighboring city Osaka, which had one of the four major naval arsenal next door in Kobe. But Kyoto was of relatively little importance. And then they instead decided to go with Nagasaki which was another city that had one of the four major naval arsenals.
It’s just funny to think about.
@@sirshotty7689 It was the historic capital of Japan.
Yes, it was the Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson. Ironically enough he had visited Kyoto prior to the war on holiday with his wife. There is still debates today if he had reflected on his visit to the city that made him jump in to spare Kyoto.
@@sirshotty7689before it was moved to Tokyo, Kyoto was the capital of Japan and seat of the emperor.
It’s still a symbol of Japan’s empirical power and history, which for better or worse made it a very culturally impactful target.
I had to read "The Rape of Nanking" (book title) as a junior or senior in college. I don't remember anything else from that class; just Nanking.
I'm surprised this didn't get censored. Minor victory for the week. That atrocity shouldn't be forgotten.
Unit 731, and the Burma train railway being built by POWs
The Chinese were killing each other in the civil war for years and in millions nd in bestial ways no different to Japanese war crimes and yet we never hear about those.
Modern Chinese propaganda we all ate up just wants to talk about Nanking and unit 731 to create more soft power/pressure over Japan and the west.
Japan wont take the self flaggelation route, and they are right.
Go look how the wests supposed critical self reflection is used to weaken us, and made us ashamed of our history.
Japan: We did nothing wrong.
Every Asian country: 🤨😡
One of the worst things they did along those lines was about the Comfort Women. Horrible practice Japan had of press ganging captured civilian women into being prostitutes for Japanese soldiers. The soldiers were often violent with them including beating them during sex, stabbing with a knife during sex, choking them unconscious, and just straight up killing the girl during.
After the war it took a few years to get Japan to admit it and apologize.
Then they took the apology back and went back to denying it happened.
Then they apologized again.
Then they denied it again.
They've gone back and forth on this, with denials coming from that Japanese statesman who was murdered - Abe - and he denied it as recently as 2014.
Everything about the way they've handled the Comfort Women shows that what they really want is to be able to sweep it under the rug and never talk about it again. They keep taking back their apologies, don't do anything that's been recommended by well respected international groups, don't obey international court rulings, and keep acting as though saying they're sorry is all they should need to do even if they deny that it ever happened afterwards.
And the sad little cherry on top of all of this is that as they were losing the war and couldn't kidnap foreign women for their soldiers to rape and abuse, they started press ganging their own women into service to fill out the numbers needed. Absolutely vile.
The one argument I hate is the argument that neither of those two cities where legit military targets... Hiroshima was a major army base that housed the headquarters of the Japanese 5th Division and the 2nd Army Headquarters. It was also an important port in southern Japan and a communications center. Nagasaki was another important port that was producing naval warships, munitions and other equipment. Both cities where valid military targets in my eyes.
Even past that point, EVEN if they didn't have any factory plants, or military command points or offices, or government headquarters there... The backyard industry for building weapons and other kit for the IJA and other branches was wide.
“Producing naval equipment” is quite a big understatement. It was the home of the Mitsubishi Navy Arsenal which built the IJN Musashi aka the sister ship of the IJN Yamato and various other light and heavy carriers. It was also literally neighboring Kure, and I mean literally neighboring as in they’re 11 miles away from each other. Kure Naval Arsenal was where the Yamato was built and both it and Mitsubishi shipyards made up two of the four principal naval arsenals. These four arsenals built nearly all of the large ships Japan used during the war like battleships, carriers, battlecruisers, and cruisers. So it was most definitely a military target in big bold letters and numerous exclamation points.
For some extra knowledge, the other two arsenals were the Kawasaki Naval Arsenal in Kobe which is right next to Osaka for reference. It built the IJN Zuikaku one of two Shokaku-class carriers built and was considered one of the most capable carriers used during the entire war. It was also the last of the six carriers that participated in Pearl Harbor attack to be sunk.
And finally the Yokosuko Naval Arsenal in Tokyo. Which built Japans largest aircraft carrier the IJN Shinano which was supposed to be the third Yamato-Class battleship built. It was later converted to being a carrier midway through its production due to the Battle of Midway when Japan lost four of its carrier fleets.
Completely correct, but I would be amiss to say that LeMay himself said that the civilians were the primary targets in the bombings we did, and that he personally did not believe in the concept of innocent civilians. They were military targets, but that’s not why we bombed them.
@@dragonsword7370 "The backyard industry for building weapons and other KIT for the IJA and other branches was wide."
"KIT"? First off it sounds ridiculously stupid when people who are actually British say that dumb shit in reference to equipment but when I come across and American saying "kit" instead of equipment they just look moronically desperate at trying to sound cool. It's equipment buddy. Or keep saying "kit" and sound like a tool. I don't care.
So I assume you’re not going to complain when some country nukes any of the large cities in America to keep us out of a war or force us to surrender correct so when New York Atlanta, Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco and Los Angeles all get bombed into flat glass planes you won’t complain because they were valid military targets, right
I definitely wouldn't describe the military campaigns in Afghanistan a loss. A waste? Yeah.
It was win with a * It wasn’t even a war that could be won in the traditional sense, war is normally for the land and assets and to enslave the population, we were after specific person and squash a group which was accomplished. But millions of nothing to lose followers, it’s never ends trying to change the ideology unless we decimated the population, that basically why it was never going to work. Especially in a mostly rural tribe based society.
Completely agree. It’s a cultural problem. As the withdrawal started, the country just started folding. If the majority of the citizens wanted their freedom, they would’ve stood up to the taliban. We propped the country up, tried to set up a military… but in the end it wasn’t up to us. It’s unfortunate that all the good people from there who wanted better lives are now stuck under taliban rule.
Definitely a waste we invested in cowards
@@DJJohnson-zw1xuthe average American doesn’t even like the U.S. gov. Why would they?
What would VICTORY have looked like? Because we didn't achieve anything of substance, we spent a LOT of resources and personnel, and that sounds like a pretty big loss by any measurable standard.
FYI guys - Manchuria is in Northeast china, not in Japan. That's why is more baffling why the Japanese were more worried about russia's attack.
Yeah, they were already losing too. It's a horrible argument.
To be fair the Russians absolutely their army in Manchuria. It wasn't why they surrendered but it's still pretty funny
@@Hakar17 A month late, but the funniest thing is how the russians were pushing an increasingly incompetently ran army, barely did any substantive war-winning damage, had 0 ability to navally invade and was known to have basically no serious naval capability in the Pacific (and what little they had was a laughinstock because Russian navy is Russian navy), no landing crafts or logistic capabilities, barely even considered by anybody who actually was making the decisions (who all cited the AMERICAN BOMBINGS) and STILL somehow gets cited as a reason why Japan surrendered.
Soviboos are just as bad, if not worse, than Wehrboos. Fanfiction worse than Twilight.
The argument is that Japan was hoping the Soviet Union would intercede on their behalf to negotiate a favorable deal with the United States - presumably one that would let them preserve the empire in some manner. It was grasping at straws at that point, but the invasion of Manchuria crushed any hopes of that happening.
As to the validity of this argument, it seems pretty far-reaching to say the bombs did *nothing* to persuade Japan to surrender.
Look at where territorial Japanese waters are and how close it is to russia. Also you have to understand the political climate of japan. They hated communist possibly more than we did. They did not want a situation where they were divided up among russia and the united states. The bombs most certainly scared them but they were prepared to stall as long as possible for better surrender terms. The russian attack made them choose. The US delegates said as much. We had surrender talks with them months before and leading up to the bombings. They knew exactly what to do to end the Japanese portions of the war without more loss of life. They knew the bombings and the invasion right after would end it. Its false to say the bombs had no impact though. Along with the firebombings.
The only M1 lost in Desert Storm that I know of was one that broke down (engine problems I believe) during the initial push through Iraq. We couldn’t stop the push, but we also couldn’t leave an intact M1 behind. So the crew took out what they could and another M1 shot it to permanently disable it. BTW, it took 2 shots from close range to do it.
ACs reaction as the POW was priceless 😂
I had a great-uncle who matched in the Bataan Death March. I never got to meet him because he committed suicide because of, among other things, PTSD from marching in the Bataan Death March.
The fat electrician and angry cops are a hilarious pair
Germany repented of their crimes but Japan denied theirs. One explanation perhaps lays in culture. Eastern cultures tend to be “shame based”. In India, the highest rate of youth suicides occurs during exam time in school. Young Indians who do poorly in their exams often kill themselves rather than live with the shame of being a “failure”to their family. In Japanese Bushido code they were taught that suicide is preferable to the shame of surrender. Some Eastern cultures also have what’s called “honor killings” where the family patriarch has the right to kill a family member who brought shame or dishonor on the family. In short, it’s all about saving face-avoiding shame. It’s true that pride and trying to “save face” is a universal flaw found in people everywhere but not every culture or society manifests it in the same way. Pride can be a bug in some belief systems where it’s a feature in others. There’s a difference between a value system which says “be open, tell the truth, confess and repent” and a system which says, “whatever you do, don’t bring shame on you, your family or your country” (even if it means lies and denial).
This is not medieval far east, Many modern parents spoil their child very much. The so called religion of peace islam is very common for honor killings main target is women.
Another thing is Allies had to actually denazify Germany. This included making them visit the camps, bury some of the already dead from the camps and even exhuming mass graves.
Hey Guys. Good clip. The Soldiers who lost their lives due to fratricide at 73 Easting were 12B Combat Engineers assigned to the 82nd Engineer Battalion (The Blue Babe) stationed at Warner Barracks in Bamberg, Germany. Their names were Strehlow, Powell, and Howard. Barracks numbers 7082, 7083, and 7084 were named for them. They were operating in an M113 when in the fog of war their vehicle was struck by friendly fire killing all three of them. There has been plenty of coverage of the battle of 73 Easting, but not nearly enough about that incident,the Soldiers that lost their lives, or the men that knew them. I know for a fact that many of the men that were there and served with Strehlow, Powell, and Howard would be happy to honor them by telling their tale. BLUE BABE!
Land of the Rising Sun(s)
Boom!
@@user-rm4ez8pb6x Wouldn’t that be “boom”….”boom”?
Should be call land of the Rising Sins, Know japan history is full of horny shit.
You guys need to do research on the kakoda trail before the Japanese replace the entire history.
It's pretty well known in Australia .
@@matthewcharles5867Well known in Hawaii too. Maybe not the rest of the US so much.
Also not sure wtf you are on about them replacing it.
Replace meant to put something else there to tack the now missing thing.
What you probably mean is erase.
Not sure wtf you're on about with that either seeing as the info is VERY easy to find.
@@x808drifter if your gunna bitch at someone at least bitch at the right one.
The Japanese aren’t going to replace the history; in general their acceptance of the past is getting better. Sure they have some politicians fighting against it, but it’s no different or more effective than the politicians we have who are fighting against education on slavery and deny that the genocide against the Native Americans happened.
@@sirboomsalot4902 only 6% of wealthy upper class southerners owned slaves. None of the young men fighting against the union were fighting for slavery…
0:03 I've always known that Japan was brutal to POW's. But I did not know that Hiroshima was a highly populated Christian city. I went to Hiroshima when I was a teenager as apart of an exchange program. And Angry Cop's statement made me think back to when I was there, and now it even further makes me realize another reason those cities were chosen. The real enemy is truly evil.
Fat Electrician referencing the Battle of 73 Easting episode of "Greatest Tank Battles" was not something I knew I needed. I grew up on that how.
Look up the Hiroshima miracle. A lot of the Christians survived.
11:22 And that was an A-10 pilot thinking a British Scimitar IFV was a Russian truck
You will get angry whenever you go down the rabbit holes already mentioned, Nanking, etc. But if you look into Unit 731, the Japanese nationalist prime ministers and their family, the volunteered Japanese army nurses brought in for Okinawa(they were school girls, mostly high school aged but still) and many of them didn't survive for a lot of reasons. The Imperial Japanese Military's comfort women programs and in general, all the atrocities they commited on Koreans, Chinese, and other peoples in the South Pacific area.
Fuk, the revisionists even bought a hotel in Canada, just to replace all the bibles with their literature of revised war histories. And their museums alone are blood pressure triggering.
These were the same a-holes who helped push their government to mess with the history curriculums after WW2. IF there is any mention of it all, it is pretty vague. There is an issue of many parts of WW2 getting mentioned to most Japanese of all generations today, will be responded with disbelief, shock and anger. If not at you then at their education systems for not actually teaching any history. Behind the Bastards does a few podcast dives into these topics if you just want to listen about the subjects, as well.
“Foundation your house” is my new favorite saying.
'The land of the Rising Sun' gained a whole new meaning in 1945 thanks to Uncle Sam
That was the best explanation for the war in Afghanistan.
As a Christian, AC's take was hilarious.
11:20 iirc the reason why there was a blue on blue incident was because the old shitty thermal sights weren't very high resolution so it made an Abrams look a lot like a T-72 from a distance.
(Again I don't remember the exact reason but I think it was something like this, appreciate if anyone in the comment section could correct me on it)
We lost an Abraham’s in 2003, my unit had to go secure it, it was shipped back to the USA to figure out what shot through it 🇺🇸
I can tell there is no Navy representation at that table, They wouldn't be drinking White Claw!
The neighbor after losing the fight kept calling his siblings to get their faces pushed in😂
The book doesnt even cover it to the fullest. I share a class ring with a survivor of the death march. He spoke at my class ring ceremony at Clemson. I dont know that hes still alive to do it anymore, but i will cherish the conversation i had with him afterwards for the rest of my life.
4:06 AC holding that pose for so long made me spit out my coffee 🤣
HLC and AngryCops are the best part time hosts on this show.
10:21 Apparently, in 2016 the Saudis asked the US to replace around 20 Abrams tanks for vague “battle damage”, but they were likely lost during their intervention in Yemen. So while the US Army and Marine Corps have never lost an Abrams in battle, they have (probably) been lost while in the service of allied nations
A lot less Abrams have been lost compared to other MBTs. Even in Ukraine, they have only lost 5 in a year of combat. That’s not at all bad.
@@kinocorner976true, the only real reason that Ukraine lost those 5 Abrams tanks is because they lost them to FPV drones
@kinocorner976 ukraine only had 31
@@user-kp9ho6di2band artillery and mines and missles........
Thank u guys for being the only other people that i seen at least. That actually tells the real truth about what the Japanese did and they really dont teach their kids about this. I saw video of Japanese college students finding out the truth about what they did during WW2. Several of the students got emotional when faced with the reality of what they weren’t taught about WW2.
My grandma died a month before her 100th birthday and she was born in 1901 I believe. She went from horse and buggy to the nuclear age. I used to enjoy talking to her
To be fair- Russia invaded the Senkaku northernmost islands of Japan, and Japan realized they had no defenses set up for that and US was less bad to surrender to than the Soviets. Its a territory dispute to this day, and its not far to major Japanese cities on Hokkaido.
Cav scout here. Thats the first time Ive hear that Kilo joke. I spit out my drink when i heard it.
i think of two things: getting stuck under power lines, and greatest tank battles-73 easting, a bradley lost its commander to a tank( i think) that had a saybot punch through and the vehicle didn't explode so some enemy got back in the vehicle and took a shot at the bradley.
To be fair, like 90% of the training callouts ended up being "one enemy t72 in the open" when i went through ait. Im pretty sure i never actually had a vehicle identification test until 3 years in, and that was an out of the blue training we did one weekend.
wish i still had all my desert storm trading cards
I’ve seen them at an antique store
The first Bradley smoked during 73 easting was from a tank that had been hit with an ap round which killed the crew, but somebody else crawled into it and fired one round while standing IN THE BALONEY MIST of the previous crew. Then his ticket got punched HARD
We still lost the war lol
Had a history teacher tell us about a Japanese exchange student she had in 1998. When she started teaching about Pearl Harbor she said he came to her after class and asked why she was teaching about a conspiracy theory. That his teachers told them it was American propaganda and never happened. Needless to say, once she showed him pictures of the memorial in Hawaii and old war footage, she said he was in tears at being lied to.
If I remember correctly, the only Abrams we lost during Desert Storm was to friendly fire from some air support pilots (Apache or Warthog pilots?) given the wrong coordinates. A co-worker of mine was in infantry during Desert Storm and he said they came upon an Iraqi tank that had been hit by an A-10 and it looked like Swiss cheese. He said he had to be careful not to cut himself on the entry holes and there was nothing but scrap metal inside. He said there weren't any remains or smell, he thinks it was empty when it was hit, a target of opportunity.
Great to see my favorite ytbers together!
Manchuria China! It was not even a part of Japan. They were still fighting the Chinese. To top it off the user killed as many Chinese soldiers as Japanese.
They wanted Manchuria for at least 200 years before these events, they fought the Russians on the Manchurian Wastes during the Russo-Japanese War.
@@GloriousShiva42 exactly. The Japanese wanted it for the silk trade. The most durable silk is from there.
General Norman Schwarzkopf… Greatest word ever… Bovine scatology 😂
I traveled to Iowa to meet my father inlaw for the first time. Served on Okinawa from 1 April 1945 USMC until Japanese surrendered age 17. My wife warned me while shopping with him in the department stores. He would pick up an item and turn it over. If made in Japan would fall out of his hands and shatter on the store floor. This was in the 1970s!
I love Fat Elec, but he's wrong about why the USSR may have been more of a concern to the Japanese than the Bomb. The chatter on military channels was NOT about either the Bomb or Manchuria itself, but yes, it was about the USSR for a different reason. The Tokyo firestorm was far worse than the two Bombs combined, and that didn't convince them to quit: why would a pair of smaller firestorms? The Japanese knew about Dresden, the worst of three destroyed German cities, so knew more firestorms could come, so big deal if it was a new Bomb: it wasn't a new experience. Mass civilian deaths did NOT bother them in the slightest. Even then, how many Japanese military knew about the two brand new Bombs and believed that they weren't just a glorified firestorm amplified by US propaganda?
The military chatter was about "We can't win: but we have to keep fighting for only honor's sake at this point. When the end comes, If Russia suffers losses, they will demand the northern islands they have disputed we own: they have tried to claim those for decades. We will have to give those away for peace if we delay the surrender. Is our honor more valuable than our claim to those islands?" For some of them, it was not, but for others pride was more valuable. They knew the US wouldn't demand territory: but the USSR would and the USSr just entered the war against Japan. And so it was the permanent loss of territory that made enough consider surrender.
None of this says the US should not have dropped the Bomb. Japan was training women to charge machine guns with polearms. America wasn't just trying to stop American soldier deaths, but also the genocide that Japan seemed to want the US to commit.
I think it's fair to say that history didn't exist in a vacuum. That is to say it was probably a combination of factors that led to the Japanese surrender. They had no idea how many atomic bombs the US had, plus the threat of more widespread firebombing, plus the threat of the USSR splitting the country in half just like what had happened to Germany months before.
What I always like to tell the morons that say that the atomic bombings were unnecessary, or that it was the US being evil, or whatever their low IQ takes are is that the US military anticipated north of 1 million American service member casualties in the planned invasion of the Japanese home islands (and manufactured enough Purple Heart medals to fill that expectation, which the military still has enough stock from 1945 that they still award those medals that were manufactured back then to this day.) They anticipated TENS of millions of Japanese deaths in such a scenario.
These facts alone make however many deaths from the two bombings a necessary evil to bring the war to a conclusion. Plus it deprived the Soviets of taking over half of the country and probably starving that half of the Japanese population to death under communism.
The USSR lacked the naval lift capacity to land significant numbers of troops.
@@stevepowell6503 Irrelevant. They only needed to have claims of losses. The Russians only needed to engage enough to be able by say, "We lost troops! We need compensation. We have a long standing claim to these islands." Boots on the ground on the islands was not necessary to push the claim.
@@KreistorNot irrelevant. It was logistically fkn impossible for them to ever accomplish let alone try lol the USSR was dogshit that entire war.
Like @tyrschampion471 said, PLEASE cover the difficult parts of WWII NOW. Was it Eisenhower who demanded that the allies photo document the concentration camps because..."later some asshole will try to say it never happened."?
A starting point would be the Palawan Massacre.
Just a thought.
I'm slightly depressed that they didn't key in that Manchuria is China, near Korea.
Bradley Crewman here, in regards to the Iraq War and the Bradleys. We lost a total of 20 Bradleys during that time. 17 of them were to friendly fire.
Well, as I’ve said for years, if the nuclear bombings were so “unjustified” and so bad, why did we have to drop the second one, and why aren’t the fire bombings ever discussed hmmmm??
FYI Mearsheimer, in his amazing offencive realism is a huge proponent of the Soviet factor and not the bomb ending WWII, same guy who pushes Russian and Chinese Propaganda out of U of Chicago. Sad as he was once a decent Political Scientist
I’m mean there are aspects that point to him being partially correct about the Russians playing a part in it.
Potential History did a video on at one point, and he highlighted that Hirohito made two different speeches calling for surrender, the first for the public discussing the bombs with no mention of the Russians, and the second being aimed at the military with no mention of the bombs and more of a focus on the Russians…
I don’t know if PT is right I’m not a historian but frankly it’s makes the most sense out of all the arguments I’ve heard for either side, because it actually addresses both sides…
@@griffins750I agree. One being the reason does not cancel out the other, and we will never know which was more important, but at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter
The only armored vehicle lost at 73 easting was a single Bradley.
Unbroken is one of my favorite books
I think it’s Unbroken
@@Mingus_the_dingus oh thanks, stupid auto-correct
Great book, loved reading it, glad I'm not the only one
His book, “ the devil at my heels” is really good.
@@heatherandtimsharp thnx, I'll read it
Good contemporary book on the Iraq tank war - 'Iron Soldiers' by Tom Carhart (1994). Out of print, but if you can find a used copy, very good read.
God Bless our service members and veterans.❤️🙏
An Abrams actually has been lost to combat. Just 1, but it was hit by an RPG in a 1 in a million shot to an exhaust vent or something, and the engine caught fire. The crew ended up having to destroy it with a thermite grenade. It was during a thunder run through, I think, Baghdad.
The ground war in Desert Storm was 98 hours.
2:10 I love how they all understood the assignment without a damn thing being said
Love these guys
Just a reminder that Hawaii has around 50-60% Japanese population and most of the first responder casualties were Japanese Americans. The kamikaze were usually piloted by children or elderly to "regain honor".
The imps did not target the dry docs but the ships, many of which had Japanese sailors.
The imps thought ending entire bloodlines through familicide purely outta spite as leaving the repair docs untouched would mean most of the still floating ships would be repaired and used to attack Japan, stopped by general Yamamoto, a dude who studied in America with family in Hawaii, from attacking the hospitals while literally everyone else in command wanted to commit even more war crimes by targeting hospitals and first responders, as the "honorable" and "merciful" thing to do.
If the Imps considered familialcide against fellow Japanese as merciful, imagine what cruelty is.
A key reminder that Hell is filled with "men of honor"
73 Easting. One Bradley to enemy fire. The largest loss wasn't at 73 Easting. It was 4 Bradleys killed by an Aviation LTC who wasn't authorized to engage. (He was the SC but wasn't qualled on ID among other things.) No Blue/Blue at 73E.
105 hrs
The interesting fact that gets downplayed most is the firebombing campaign against the Japanese. One single raid on Tokyo & its suburbs killed more people than both A-bombs combined...
The Japanese muscle man was spot on🤣
The dude who found the pictures owns a pawn shop in Minnesota
What episode is this from? I want to watch the whole thing.
Does anyone have a link to the book that HLC mentioned? He said it was called "Unbreakable," but all I could find was a book called "Unbroken"
I found one called "undefeated" I think that's the one he's taking about
AC in that hat 😂 I can’t handle it
The laugh at 2:20 sent me 😂😂😂
The Friendly Fire incident was likely by a guy who didn't cheat on his eye exam.
Pff, they didn't surrender because of the bomb, they surrendered because we were showing up like UPS delivering naval shelling of anything bigger than an outhouse within 5 miles of the shoreline of Japan and thats when they knew all the defenses they thought they had were not gonna be enough.
What amazes me is the sheer number of Libertarians who try to justify Japan's actions.
I have never met a single Libertarian who does this, and I'm literally in 5 different Libertarian discords.
@@davidhealdjr.513 good for you. I have yet to see V-J Day or Pearl Harbor Day come along on Facebook without some official Libertarian Party page putting precisely this nonsense up. It’s what turned me away from the LP.
😂😂 2:22 ☠️ that's funny stuff.....
"abrahms stuck in the mud, because some private" HOLD UP NOW!!!!! its because someone did not teach that private properly. I blame their crew chief!!!
This was so damn funny thank you so much 😂😂😂
the book mentioned is called "Unbroken".
Rich reenacting Broke Back Mountain this whole pod is hilarious 😂
To better explain China's situation at the time: before Japan invaded, the civil war was between the the communists and the nationalists; after Japan surrendered, the civil war resumed, the commies won, and the nationalists fled to Taiwan.
EDIT: My uncle was a tanker, joke is apt.
Didn’t Mao basically sat back and waited while the nationalists fought and lost man power to Japan, then when Japan was gone, with the Nationalists being weakened both militarily and politically having caused many civilian deaths and occupied large parts of the country- with them weakened Mao and the communists resumed fighting the nationalists.
That was always my cursory understanding of it.
The worst thing that happened to the nationalists was Operation Ichigo. The Japanese army's last big push in China, basically wrecked the nationalist army right before the war ended. In order to do this, they emptied all of their garrisons and the Communist took a bunch of territory in the north without a fight.
@@griffins750 Wouldn't know - I only have cursory knowledge for the sake of understanding modern geopolitics.
Could never get into much of Chinese history, too much infighting and backstabbing - their culture is distasteful and depressing, no surprise the only two regimes to unite the place were abhorrent monsters.
The only British tank lost in desert storm was to friendly fire.
I'm pretty sure that the Philippinos, Koreans, and Chinese remember about the Japanese behavior during WW2.
The man who wrote unbroken was my family member Louis Zamperini
Unit 731 don't look it up
my grandmother was in the phillipines when the japanese invaded as a kid.
Read the book "unbroken" for a presentation in 10th grade (very similar story)
It was a brutal book
I'm still just thinking of the family guy episode, "How could this day get ANY worse?!"
Nagasaki was Cristian. It was also the tertiary target, Hiroshima being the HQ of one of the Japanese army groups and being relatively untouched by the bombing campaign was the primary target for both bombs. It was left intact because primarily because of it was well protected but a reason few seem to be aware of; it was vital to the production of fighters, the hope was they would continue to build substandard equipment if it was left untouched instead of potentially build some of superior quality somewhere else. Which is diabolical when you think about it.
"Pick a stan" 😂
I see the windmill of friendship got covered up after Brandon mentioned it!