The best review I have seen, a lot of other reviews gloss over the heat and power consumption issues on the I9 which I think are going to be an issue down the road. From what I read you need a higher-end Z690 MB because of the power to run the I9 at max potential. I need to update my I7 4790K , probably will go with the 5900X or maybe the 12700k nad not overclock, my computer is used for day trading and music production.
Opinions are like ass holes everyone has one . Point is to me computing is fun and that's all it is . Its not my income . I only make $100 per build and don't do a lot anymore . I don't chase after rumors sites nor do I really follow any tech wizards. I find most are liars and pimp for mammon. Over the last year I listened to the wizard's talk about AL no one was even close. Moores law claims he had it right but that a pure lie . He got close in the last six months but before that he was way off. The info Intel published 10 years ago had all this stuff in it. 10 nm was Intel real problem and that's all behind them now. 5 years ago DIY was great fun . But the wizards are all shilling AIO water cooling . LOL . Its not even close / Most DIY water set ups are even a Joke ... Because these long runs are just stupid . The idea plumbing is the shortest runs possible . The idea behind water cooling isn't really about OC. Its about Fan noise . My grandsons machines are done to perfection. Short copper tubing runs , One system is set up for high flow 1.5 gpm and the other system is a high flow low pressure setup 1gpm - 2 pumps . Both are dead silent and out cool any and all AIO system no fan noize -zero . Both use D5 pumps . High pressure 1 pump High flow low pressure 2 pumps. X flow rads . Small case 1 xflow 1 dual pass. The big case 2 x flow. WE all have different goals in our builds mine is Best Stock performance and Silent running . 241 watts is nothing to run at full load at 75 C at worst. Do real work and the power numbers are conflated. Worse case does matter only to your kind of people.
@@Nemesis1ism Not really sure what your rant was all about and why it was in response to my comment which basically thanked the guy for a honest review so that I can make a better decision when I decide to upgrade my PC. 100 C overclocked is insane , my overclocked I7 won’t even get over 65 C under max load while testing. Yea apples and oranges comparing the two , and not that I am going to do Cpu intensive stuff that often but I don’t want to deal with that kind of heat . Anyway need to let the hype calm down a bit and see what AMD does with the pricing on the 9X chips . Right now it’s a toss up between the i712700k and the 5900x.
@Krisroffer Pettersson yeah, mother earth will thank us in the future for being the generation that pushed computing to the limits. To be fair, in gaming its pretty much a wash but the whole platform isn't very compelling. I'll stick to my recently purchased 5800X for now, 330 bucks was a steal for it and it's a pretty banger while I can keep my platform and RAM and hand down the old cpu to someone else.
The enthusiast community is usually quite forgiving about power consumption as long as you can confidently say 'our chip is the fastest'. However if AMD erase this lead with their 3D cache refresh (or reduce it enough to become academic) that extra 100w sustained is going to look VERY silly all of a sudden. I'm glad that both companies are now being exciting at the same time though!
to be fair intels all core workload power usage and temps already look quite silly, i always said that if extra 100W is a deal breaker then you were never in ultra high end market in the first place. I generally dont mind high power usage, but if its difficult to cool it then we have a problem even in enthusiast level product segment.
Truth!!! But alder lakes a beta for raptor lake that's when I'll make the jump when I see zen 4 and raptor lake numbers. My 5800x is more than enough for my use case.
@Ben 3D cache won't reduce power consumption but it will obviously add more extra 50-100w and even worse it will causing AMD cpu being too hot after adding more cache.
@@h1tzzYT True, with the current status quo I agree, but when you consider that Ryzen 4D will probably perform quite a bit better in both single and multicore whilst still consuming 100w less, it kind of starts looking silly for intel.
Nice balanced review. Intel has done well. That heat and power consumption, though...but what's new? Appreciated the 1440p numbers mixed in with the 1080p.👍
When we started testing the Core i9-12900K we figured it would fall between Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 5900X which have 16 and 24 threads respectively. It came as a huge surprise the new Core i9 can approach Ryzen 9 5950X regardless of the power involved. Having said that, if you are in the market for major CPU stomp we consider Ryzen 9 5950X is a superb piece of work and currently on sale at £700.
Great video 5 stars! As a creative, I am not impressed at all big letdown 5950x seems a better deal and uses so much less power. I think I will wait for AMD new offering.
My thoughts exacly, the intel new platform isn't really viable for purchase in my opinion at the prices of mobos and ddr5 at this moment. The fact that Ryzen 6000 on an AM4 chipset may be equal or more powerful than 12th gen makes it even worse when beeing like 2-3 months away. In my opinion buying 12th gen at this moment is a waste of money
To be fair, Intel appear to have closed the gap. Whether they've really overtaken AMD, or Intel are benefiting from a very cozy, if not anti-competitive, partnership with Microsoft is still to be seen.
Cinebench R23, 12900k running 5.1Ghz on the P cores, 4.1Ghz on E cores at 1.26v temp hitting between 79c to 82c hits a score of 29133 so not sure what's up with your test results hitting in the 27000's
Echoing other's comments here - FInally a decent and balanced review! I'm impressed with the new chips for sure, but there seems to be a lot of noise coming out around how fast these chips are vs the power draw, thermals, TCO, and Windows 11's issues (the AMD on W11 issues still aren't totally resolved). That makes for a "great CPU but lets see how it plays out" perspective which is important to bear in mind. Replatforming for a lot of people is not something undetook lightly & the benefits realy do seem to come from a combination of architecture -and- platform here Really well done :)
@@saricubra2867 40% higher ICP? Which cherry-picked benchmark did you find for that, LMAO. And comparing Bulldozer to a 10850k, will not get you the street cred you think :D.
Would have preferred a custom loop for your tests I have 0 faith in aios due to the heat still being trapped in the pump sitting on top of the cpu but I understand the ease of access, great video regardless thank you sir. I had an amazing experience using advanced + offset overclocking low temps + high overclock and low voltage ⚡️blew away the thread ripper scores In cinebench and didn't pass 74c even after running the cpu all day long, simply amazing.
12900K already comes overclocked out of the box any more overclocking won't be much difference. Because it draws already very much power and the temps are too high comparing to AMD CPU's. Wait for the AMD's next CPU as they are more efficient and better optimized for DDR5/Gen5/Cache.
Speaking as an 11 year Intel cpu user - so 10% faster 20% hotter 50% more power usage and a year newer, if I was AMD I would be VERY not worried. Competition is good to see though.
@Krisroffer Pettersson Nah, relax, you really need to be comparing it to Intel's last gen, not to Ryzen. Intel has been on its back foot for a while, but now actually has a working new architecture, that's the take-away. It will take 1-2 gens for Intel to truly catch up though as they're 1 gen ahead of ryzen atm but only barely outperform it.
Overclocking using xtu one click OC is just going to raise the max turbo freq and use the corresponding voltage required for that freq from the stock VID table so of course power draw is going to be insane. The doubled chipset bandwidth is quite useful.
Leo here: Amen to that and I need to do some manual overclocking when I get to a motherboard review however there are two points there. The first is that the VID table is created and if it results in crazy high voltages/power the best move is to give it a wide berth. The second is that one-click XTU overclocking only supports Core i9-12900K/KF so we have a 100% fail rate.
You can disable all of the E-cores but not all of the P-cores. At least one P-core has to be active. A cool thing, is that the UHD770 can be overclocked to 2.1GHz. That's a 500MHz overclock on the iGPU, giving it over 1TFlop of FP32.
Slightly miffed at the Windows 11 use. An OS built from the bottom-up for Alder Lake/Intel. With AMD apparently only being given last minute access before launch to update it's drivers. I expect AMD figures would be better in a few months time, assuming Microsoft don't cripple them in the scheduler.
Assuming you currently use Windows 10, will you stick with 10 or move to 11? You may have noticed that BIOS updates now enable TPM by default so in all probability you will find Windows 11 coming your way.
@@KitGuruTech My just over a year old rig has a 3600 in it. I'm not planning to switch to Windows 11 for at least 12 months. And possibly not until Windows 10 end of life update support ends.
Btw I know that the Windows 10/11 choice was a damned if you do, damned if you don't one for reviewers. If you'd stick with W10 you could say it was a level playing field but at the risk of not optimising Intel 12th Gen results. W11 you presumably get to see the full potential of 12th Gen, but seemingly at the expense of AMD not having time to fully optimise their drivers. There's also the question of whether Mucrosoft have built the W11 thread scheduler so closely around Intel chip specs that it is virtually impossible for it to be as efficient for AMD chips.
@@Penfolduk001 It has been shown the latest fixes have very slightly improved gaming results for Ryzen over Windows 10 in 11. What are the bugs still present for only Ryzen?
The fact that you need to buy a high end cooler (360mm) to overclock is the killer. Then of course, you have to pay the electric bill too, but beyond 330W for just the CPU isn’t going to be cheap!!!
Two thumbs up! For Leo, that is. I do enjoy his intelligence, hard work, and style. I do have one question: what is the maximum RAM? I've checked a couple of boards and it seems to be 128 GB, but is that a board limitation, a chipset limitation, that no one is producing 64 GB DDR5 DIMMs, or something else?
Following up on that question, it seems like a chicken and egg thing. Right now you can only get 32GB DDR5 DIMMs so motherboard manufacturers won't be able to develop BIOS support until we see the next bump in capacity.
running a 5ghz p 4ghz e and 4.1 ring oc on my 12900k @ 1.23V, never breaking 85c on a 280mm aio. Voltage plays a huge role with these chips, and the stock llc and voltages applied from these motherboards is just way too high.
@@mohsenkhorsandi7165 i think anything 240mm and up would be fine as long as you dont push the oc too hard and drop voltages as low as possible. I dont need the extra 1000 cinebench points from pushing the oc to 5.2ghz while gaining 30c in temps
When you OC , it's expected to get hot .. even if its a factory OC .. i have the i9 12900K and not realy have problems , i run it in non -OC .. because i didnt see much difference between OC or NOT OC .. it all depends what you are using it for i guess.. OC doesnt mean much difference when playing games ... you're better off OCing you GPU instead ... my i9 is idle 28C .. only time it jumps up is when unpacking games .. like installing a big game.. and even then it goes back down fast again when the effenciency cores take over.. nice thing is i can install certain games using those cores and my CPU temp stays hovering around 35C
Ideally don't update (in-place) a major windows release, and absolutely not if you're doing benchmark testing. You're making assumptions about the i7 versus i9, the "silicon" isn't the issue instead base clocks, cache and core count. Temperatures .. The thinner the better prior. Intel and AMD chips with thick wafers made temperature disposition more difficult. The thinner layers allow for better disposition of heat. I think people need to start focusing more on architecture and MTr/mm². Windows clean installs .. JJ at ASUS goes into more detail. Delidding and heat compensation .. Derbauer delidding i9-12900K offered a good explanation and comparison.
Given the pricing and availability of the DDR5 modules, this calls for a subsequent review with the 12th gen Intels running on the DDR4 RAM for more comparative platform to the 11th and 10th gen and Ryzen Zen3 processors. That way you could also check how the memory latency differs between the CPU families/archs instead of CPU+MEM archs ;) Furthermore, I'd love to see if the 12th gen iGPU QSV got any better in terms of quality and speed of outputs for media encoding tasks - QSV has been a great tool in the Intel arsenal/stack when compared to Ryzen units for media processing. Moreover, maybe you could even add the current cream of the crop mobile/laptop CPUs in the comparison charts given how in some tests those mobile CPUs are quite close to their desktop brethren whilst being less than half if not a quarter in terms of power and thermal envelope, and given how much full desktop builds or new laptops cost now. It'd be very beneficial and maybe kind of eye-opening, since several of your test tools/suites already are working on or have a build for M1s, to test those new CPUs in relation to also 11th and 10th gen Intel mobile H-units and Ryzen Zen3 mobile H/HX-units and of course Apple Silicon Pro and Max variants... after all we're still awaiting the 12th gen mobile Intels where Intel might be able to step up its game in terms of power and efficiency but Apple heralds its new silicon as the most efficient and performant for the electricity bills there is ;) Let's just see how far those stable 240+W CPU package draws get the new Intel from all those platforms targeted at the more efficient compute horsepower market.
Hello Leo, your video was highly informative and well made. However, I am curious to know, what are the load voltages on the P and E cores, respectively, for the Turbo Boost limit under Thermal Velocity boost? I am curious to know what undervolting headroom there is for P and E cores, as well as current restriction, since Intel XTU offers these features and is being updated for the Alder Lake series of processors.
Leo here: Glad to hear you enjoyed it. I made a note of the single VID figure during testing however we have to assume the two types of cores run at different voltages but it was too complicated to get into that during these launch reviews. It will certainly be a point of interest when we get to Z690 motherboard reviews.
Leo here: Minimum fps is a horrible metric and we much prefer to use minimum 1% (Dominic does that in his reviews) however OCAT can be a pain with certain games so I ditched it and went with minimums as they are reported every time. I didn't notice stuttering in games with any of these CPUs. Even the lowliest Core i5 does a reasonable job.
There's an error in HWinfo64. Its reporting Alder Lake at 100°c under full load when its actually at 70°c. I got a super chip that does 5.7GHz on 1c 5.6GHz on 2c and 5.4 on all 8c. This is using a 360mm RAD, custom. Though, i wouldn't use HWinfo64 to test 12th Gen when running all cores flat out.
You're going to have to back that up with more information including your preferred monitoring utility. During testing on Auto we reported temperatures in the 80s, so what temperature do you think is correct? and where does your information about HWiNFO64 come from? as an FYI, during my testing I contacted my Intel rep on two separate occasions to report seeing 100 C in those specific circumstances and received no push back at all. Also, why didn't the reported temperature go higher say to 105C or 109C?
looking at this I'm beginning to regret ordering 12900k and Aorus master, makes much more sense to pick a £200 DDR5 mobo, the 12600k and cheap out on the RAM, it still offers more performance than most people will ever need whilst offering the potential for incremental upgrades in the future that other platforms can't offer whilst recognising that the new features are in their infancy, the higher end components will likely not age well, high speed RAM with tighter timings will likely become rather cheap in 2-3 years, which current motherboards are unlikely to support well if at all, and it seems probable that Intel will start packing future generations of processors with ever greater numbers of E-cores without doing much to P-cores outside of trying to stay noticeably ahead of AMD in single threaded performance.
@Krisroffer Pettersson 100% if it doesn't ship tomorrow (I don't think anyone has those boards anyway) I will cancel but I'll still buy some kind of alder lake setup it still seems like it makes most sense in terms of being able to upgrade each part individually going forward given I don't have that much work that is CPU intensive, but it is nice to have the best parts even if only for a few months, the problem with waiting is that there is always something to wait for; when you need to upgrade, you need to upgrade.
Great review, any graphs comparing Intel in win 11 to amd on win 10? I feel like Intel paid off Microsoft for a couple months of bad AMD performance to get them through the review cycle.
Meanwhile, apple is laughing at their competitors 240W TDP desktop cpu and soon to be released 600W GPU. The pc landscape is comically laughable at this point. If you can’t beat them, just quadruple down.
@Krisroffer Pettersson zen3dv will back crown in gaming for 2-3mobths when it will released even now this 1-4% are pretty low too so ryzen 6000 will not have hard deal to beat Alderlake
I'm surprised, and disappointed on your behalf, that this combined detailed overview and review has only received 103,082 views in 8 days. Sadly, I think people generally prefer race-through gamer benchmarks and no details. I like information, I prefer detail.
My verdict, which I haven't heard said outright to this point, is simply that there is no outright winner. It seems to come down to a case of "AMD edges ahead when your application benefits from multicore, Intel if it depends on single core". Will Intel only have to throw more cores at it to win both styles of benchmark? Given a PC with these new premium CPUs in can easily cost upwards of £3,000 perhaps somebody will come up with a motherboard for ultimate power-users which uses both CPUs and which will only add a few hundred quid to the total cost? Now there's an idea! A four grand PC with AMD & Intel on board. :) I am thrilled though that this means Intel retakes the crown for gamers............. I just happen to be a technical user, not a gamer. So what's Intel doing for me?
Great review. I think it's about as good as they can do on that 10nm trash, By trash I mean compared to TSMC's 7nm and soon to be 5nm. I'll stick with my Haswell 5960X just a little longer, Made it last this long. Whatever high end comes out next year from either company will do me another 7 years! ;)
@@tringuyen7519 just using the Ryujin from asus. the asus boards fit the new bracket and old so didn't have to change anything. What what the cooler or cpu?
So weird, why are there these issues on Win 10... Otherwise, some decent gains by Intel, but not the blowout ppl were expecting from Intel's marketing slides.
The workloads have to be scheduled and directed. Windows 10 understands how to do that when all the cores are the same, although one or two may be designated as preferred cores. With Intel 12th Gen the Thread Director has to be able to communicate with the OS and that is a new function we have not previously seen.
if power or MSRP/mobo-cooling-ram prices is a concern of yours, then go with Ryzen 5 5600x or Ryzen 9 5900x. If you got tons of money and dont care that your pc is a space heater, + can run watercooling 360mm AOI, or costum loop + want the absolute fastest, then go with the 12900k.
Intel consumes 2x the power and performs maybe 2% better and you still get more expensive ram and boards etc. I upgrade every few generations and by then its a new socket or ram. Wait for zen 3d if you are not in need of an upgrade as I was on a several generation old Intel
Best review yet on RUclips with architecture explained, the others are like : "defeated", "crushed", "blood bath", so on... to many superlatives for a mediocre CPU launch , representative for the hunger of the RUclipsrs that have had a blank year till now when their Jesus resurrected so that can give us the honest content.
Intel needs to improve their fabrication node or TSMC will leave them in the dust. It doesn't matter if they have the superior design, amd will reap the node befits tsmc makes.
Zen 4D will already be crushing this @ almost 40% less wattage on multicore loads... Alder lake is nice technology-wise, but it'll take a while for it to grain proper traction with software support etc. Kind of like with Ryzen 1
CHECK power at the wall when computer is idling . I know why you don't . Wall power at idle for AMD is 100 watts its 30 watts for intel . So shut your AMDs down when not using they suck power at idle at the wall.
@@KitGuruTech COME ON KIT YOU KNOW THATS INCORRECT DO YOU TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER WHEN NOT IN USE? I DO NOT NOR DO MOST PEOPLE . SO WHEN YOUR SLEEPING YOUR PULLING 100+ WATTS FROM THE WALL WITH AMD AND 30 TO 35 WATTS WITH INTEL SET UP, AS I UNDERSTAND NEXT GEN. AMD HAS FIXED THIS PROBLEM , AT THE SAME TIME INTEL HAS CUT POWER USAGE ON RAPTOR LAKE BIG TIME SO 5.5 GHZ WILL BE COMMON.
Everybody are exciting by the new arhitecture which is interesting.. but..3200mhz vs 3200++++in favor of AMD ? Note that no ryzen need liquid cooler..add z690 mobo (ddr5 motherboard only 600 euro ), double price ddr5 mem and almost double power...for +10% in few synthetic bench...3 gen wasting resources for the blue WEF should consider intel a present danger for climate change..
@@drsm7947 You call it trash but it's beating 7nm in almost every test..? Not to mention it's 8p+8e, half of which don't even have HT. If anything it shows how slow TSMC's 7nm is.
@@frostybe3r its still a trash and it did not beat at eveey test and amd 7nm beat intel because intel stuck 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ while amd will go for 5nm soon
Intel fanboys today: Wow, just wow, anyone talking about the 12900K using too much power isn't a real gamer at all, you're not a true enthusiast, you should stick to games consoles noob. Intel fanboys on the fx9590: LOL It UsEs TOo mUCh POweRz aND iZ a rOoM HEAteR
I think I'm gonna pass on this i9 12900K (I currently have 3770K) I would rather buy the 5950X instead. But I guess I wait for AMD's next upcoming CPU as they do a much better job with performance/power draw. *Like always when Intel releases a CPU that comes close to their top CPU, AMD crushes Intel in the END!*
That's a strange conclusion for you to draw. What we demonstrated is that in one specific test the results go haywire for Intel 12th Gen on Windows 10 and therefore we used Windows 11 throughout. For all we know other software also behaves in a similar manner but we didn't see that and we didn't claim that. End of story.
To be fair the latest info from AMD suggests they will eventually go the Big.Little route. In fact I think they're aiming for more "little cores" than big ones. Of course, what we will have to see is whether AMDs "little" cores are just revamped current cores and the "big" ones are actually monsters...
That is a harsh summary. There are lots of new things here and they all work. Separating the chipset from the CPU from the architecture and Windows 11 so we can fathom what is going on; that is a bit of a nightmare.
It's largely the best result performing set of desktop CPUs that exist. And it's brand new with first go BIOSes. There is still a lot of dust to settle. And the CPU pricing is competitive in the current market.
@@KitGuruTech well, if 2-5% average preformance gains over the ryzen 5900x/5950x are good for a near 75-100watt tradeoff, combined with higher mobo + cooling prices, and requirement for win11 as well as living with a spaceheater and more expensive memory. While their Cpu prices has actually also gone up compared to previous gens. Then i gues you can call it not a disaster. In my book Chris is right, this is an utter disapointment if you consider prices/overall system expense and overall upsides/downsides in mind. + dont forget that you will be a beta tester for x86-64´s first bit-little cpu design/arch, and a win11 bug tester too.
@@AdaaDK seems you already had all that prepared before you even watched the video. You did watch it right ? Cause I clearly watched something completely different than you did !!
@@theonlyredspecial i watched a ton of reviews, this was the last one i watched. But to me, they all conclude the same, only 12600k worth it, and only if you can reuse ddr4 or find a good deal on a decent ddr5 kitt, and a decent priced mobo(hard part). The overall system price is much much higher than Ryzen, hell you can get a 5800x vs a 12600k and still save money, even if the cpu is more expensive, just cos of the added cost to intel with the need of a larger cooler and more expensive mobo.
The 12900K uses a lot of power in virus app. But if you test in games and most other apps its reasonable. When at idle no one using. its way more efficient than AMD POWER AT THE WALL. INTEL IS EASY TO OC. Simply rum it full turbo . This clown is a hater. It matches the 5950x which uses a lot of power also . If I want I can easily get 230 watts on a 5950x
Is it just me, or did you leave out overclocking the 5950X in some of those tests, while you overclocked the 12900K and also included the stock results?
That is the trap that these tech reviewers do. They have the i9 running PL2 or oveclocked with infinite turbo (5GHz for 8 p-cores and maybe 3GHz for the e cores) while they have the 5950X at stock which has 20% less IPC and only 3.8GHz clockspeed. This explains some nonsense like "12900K uses too much power".
Leo here: Yes, however you can refer to Luke's reviews of the individual CPUs to see how they behave when overclocked. It all comes down to timing. Those four Zen 3 CPUs were tested on Windows 11 with those various games after AMD patched their chipset drivers. You may think you are missing half the data but Luke did a superb job.
@@KitGuruTech Thanks Leo. PS: I wasn't calling you on it or anything, i wanted to ask the question, but sat there for about 5 minutes trying to come up with wording that wouldn't come off as a call out. Not sure how i done though. But thanks for the response.
@@saricubra2867 Non-sense. Drawing 2x more power to get 1-3% more performance on average and you are probably an intel fanboy that would cherry pick benchmarks as well in favor of single core which is backwards.
Leo, would you agree that, after Steve from Gamers Nexus showed the 12900K using almost as much power at stock as the 5950X was using while overclocked... that i could say - 'The 12900K is Intel's fx9590'? In terms of power usage and heat output of course.
I'm thinking that amd isn't able to keep up with the new intel regardless of whether it's given more power or not, correct? I'm looking for performance in my desktop processor so that I don't have to wait for renders, and so that other applications and/or games will run faster. It's predictable how many people who favor amd suddenly turn into energy misers who care so deeply when intel releases this newest iteration. My mind isn't fully made up either way yet, as I need to look over more tests... but I don't think I'm interested to save a few dollars in electricity so that I can worship 'the underdog' etc. Also I think some people are getting stuck on the fact that they've recently upgraded to a perfectly fine amd recently. So they figure why switch now, which would make sense. That said, I was leaning towards an amd cpu a couple months back. But with this newest intel, the decision is harder to make. I'm coming from an i7-4770k and want to go to what will give the most notable boost over my 8 year old cpu. I'm hoping to decide soon. I'm just trying to get a handle on much difference there will be. That said, thanks for the review which will go towards me eventually deciding
The best review I have seen, a lot of other reviews gloss over the heat and power consumption issues on the I9 which I think are going to be an issue down the road. From what I read you need a higher-end Z690 MB because of the power to run the I9 at max potential. I need to update my I7 4790K , probably will go with the 5900X or maybe the 12700k nad not overclock, my computer is used for day trading and music production.
The only intel 12th gen i like is the i5 one
Opinions are like ass holes everyone has one . Point is to me computing is fun and that's all it is . Its not my income . I only make $100 per build and don't do a lot anymore . I don't chase after rumors sites nor do I really follow any tech wizards. I find most are liars and pimp for mammon. Over the last year I listened to the wizard's talk about AL no one was even close. Moores law claims he had it right but that a pure lie . He got close in the last six months but before that he was way off. The info Intel published 10 years ago had all this stuff in it. 10 nm was Intel real problem and that's all behind them now. 5 years ago DIY was great fun . But the wizards are all shilling AIO water cooling . LOL . Its not even close / Most DIY water set ups are even a Joke ... Because these long runs are just stupid . The idea plumbing is the shortest runs possible . The idea behind water cooling isn't really about OC. Its about Fan noise . My grandsons machines are done to perfection. Short copper tubing runs , One system is set up for high flow 1.5 gpm and the other system is a high flow low pressure setup 1gpm - 2 pumps . Both are dead silent and out cool any and all AIO system no fan noize -zero . Both use D5 pumps . High pressure 1 pump High flow low pressure 2 pumps. X flow rads . Small case 1 xflow 1 dual pass. The big case 2 x flow. WE all have different goals in our builds mine is Best Stock performance and Silent running . 241 watts is nothing to run at full load at 75 C at worst. Do real work and the power numbers are conflated. Worse case does matter only to your kind of people.
@@Nemesis1ism Not really sure what your rant was all about and why it was in response to my comment which basically thanked the guy for a honest review so that I can make a better decision when I decide to upgrade my PC. 100 C overclocked is insane , my overclocked I7 won’t even get over 65 C under max load while testing. Yea apples and oranges comparing the two , and not that I am going to do Cpu intensive stuff that often but I don’t want to deal with that kind of heat . Anyway need to let the hype calm down a bit and see what AMD does with the pricing on the 9X chips . Right now it’s a toss up between the i712700k and the 5900x.
12700K is better than 5900X. Golden Cove IPC and singlethread speed is crazy for music production.
@@musicman102357 Or wait for Zen 4D which should be coming Q1 2022 (?).
Leo. A living legend.
I do like his charisma.
How much Watts does this 12900K CPU consume?
ALL of them!
@Krisroffer Pettersson yeah, mother earth will thank us in the future for being the generation that pushed computing to the limits.
To be fair, in gaming its pretty much a wash but the whole platform isn't very compelling. I'll stick to my recently purchased 5800X for now, 330 bucks was a steal for it and it's a pretty banger while I can keep my platform and RAM and hand down the old cpu to someone else.
The enthusiast community is usually quite forgiving about power consumption as long as you can confidently say 'our chip is the fastest'.
However if AMD erase this lead with their 3D cache refresh (or reduce it enough to become academic) that extra 100w sustained is going to look VERY silly all of a sudden.
I'm glad that both companies are now being exciting at the same time though!
Word!
to be fair intels all core workload power usage and temps already look quite silly, i always said that if extra 100W is a deal breaker then you were never in ultra high end market in the first place. I generally dont mind high power usage, but if its difficult to cool it then we have a problem even in enthusiast level product segment.
Truth!!! But alder lakes a beta for raptor lake that's when I'll make the jump when I see zen 4 and raptor lake numbers. My 5800x is more than enough for my use case.
@Ben 3D cache won't reduce power consumption but it will obviously add more extra 50-100w and even worse it will causing AMD cpu being too hot after adding more cache.
@@h1tzzYT True, with the current status quo I agree, but when you consider that Ryzen 4D will probably perform quite a bit better in both single and multicore whilst still consuming 100w less, it kind of starts looking silly for intel.
Nice balanced review. Intel has done well. That heat and power consumption, though...but what's new? Appreciated the 1440p numbers mixed in with the 1080p.👍
Also, remember 12900K only beats 5950X buy 2%
By using 80%more power
@@florin604 Yup, I guess amd is all eco cores? LOLOLOL
When we started testing the Core i9-12900K we figured it would fall between Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 5900X which have 16 and 24 threads respectively. It came as a huge surprise the new Core i9 can approach Ryzen 9 5950X regardless of the power involved. Having said that, if you are in the market for major CPU stomp we consider Ryzen 9 5950X is a superb piece of work and currently on sale at £700.
Great video 5 stars! As a creative, I am not impressed at all big letdown 5950x seems a better deal and uses so much less power. I think I will wait for AMD new offering.
My thoughts exacly, the intel new platform isn't really viable for purchase in my opinion at the prices of mobos and ddr5 at this moment. The fact that Ryzen 6000 on an AM4 chipset may be equal or more powerful than 12th gen makes it even worse when beeing like 2-3 months away. In my opinion buying 12th gen at this moment is a waste of money
To be fair, Intel appear to have closed the gap. Whether they've really overtaken AMD, or Intel are benefiting from a very cozy, if not anti-competitive, partnership with Microsoft is still to be seen.
Indeed. Same here.
I wanna see numbers on air cooling. Most cases cant even fit a 280 rad let alone a 360.
The 12900k is £120 less money than the 5950x and beats it in a number of tasks.
Cinebench R23, 12900k running 5.1Ghz on the P cores, 4.1Ghz on E cores at 1.26v temp hitting between 79c to 82c hits a score of 29133 so not sure what's up with your test results hitting in the 27000's
Echoing other's comments here - FInally a decent and balanced review! I'm impressed with the new chips for sure, but there seems to be a lot of noise coming out around how fast these chips are vs the power draw, thermals, TCO, and Windows 11's issues (the AMD on W11 issues still aren't totally resolved). That makes for a "great CPU but lets see how it plays out" perspective which is important to bear in mind. Replatforming for a lot of people is not something undetook lightly & the benefits realy do seem to come from a combination of architecture -and- platform here
Really well done :)
I am happy with my i9 10850K 10C20T great review Leo Sir :)
That's a decent CPU and good value too. Should do you solid service for a while yet!
@@KitGuruTech Thank u Sir :)
@@KitGuruTech 12900K just made the 10850K look like a Bulldozer chip. 40% higher IPC, almost twice the multithread speed at the same TDP.
@@saricubra2867 40% higher ICP? Which cherry-picked benchmark did you find for that, LMAO. And comparing Bulldozer to a 10850k, will not get you the street cred you think :D.
Would have preferred a custom loop for your tests I have 0 faith in aios due to the heat still being trapped in the pump sitting on top of the cpu but I understand the ease of access, great video regardless thank you sir.
I had an amazing experience using advanced + offset overclocking low temps + high overclock and low voltage ⚡️blew away the thread ripper scores In cinebench and didn't pass 74c even after running the cpu all day long, simply amazing.
This is probably the only channel seemingly not paid to sing praises to Alder Lake the barn-burner.
Could you do a overclock test 5950x vs -12900K (As we already know the -12900K will not overclock very well at all)?
12900K already comes overclocked out of the box any more overclocking won't be much difference.
Because it draws already very much power and the temps are too high comparing to AMD CPU's.
Wait for the AMD's next CPU as they are more efficient and better optimized for DDR5/Gen5/Cache.
Speaking as an 11 year Intel cpu user - so 10% faster 20% hotter 50% more power usage and a year newer, if I was AMD I would be VERY not worried. Competition is good to see though.
Yep if you can weed out the fan boy garbage there's a lot of intelligence in these post
@Krisroffer Pettersson Nah, relax, you really need to be comparing it to Intel's last gen, not to Ryzen. Intel has been on its back foot for a while, but now actually has a working new architecture, that's the take-away. It will take 1-2 gens for Intel to truly catch up though as they're 1 gen ahead of ryzen atm but only barely outperform it.
Overclocking using xtu one click OC is just going to raise the max turbo freq and use the corresponding voltage required for that freq from the stock VID table so of course power draw is going to be insane.
The doubled chipset bandwidth is quite useful.
Leo here: Amen to that and I need to do some manual overclocking when I get to a motherboard review however there are two points there. The first is that the VID table is created and if it results in crazy high voltages/power the best move is to give it a wide berth. The second is that one-click XTU overclocking only supports Core i9-12900K/KF so we have a 100% fail rate.
Leo what are the idle temps and temps when the I9 is not under heavy load ?
You can disable all of the E-cores but not all of the P-cores. At least one P-core has to be active. A cool thing, is that the UHD770 can be overclocked to 2.1GHz. That's a 500MHz overclock on the iGPU, giving it over 1TFlop of FP32.
Great review! Best in the biz!
Slightly miffed at the Windows 11 use. An OS built from the bottom-up for Alder Lake/Intel. With AMD apparently only being given last minute access before launch to update it's drivers. I expect AMD figures would be better in a few months time, assuming Microsoft don't cripple them in the scheduler.
Ryzen now performs slightly better in Windows 11 than Windows 10.
Assuming you currently use Windows 10, will you stick with 10 or move to 11? You may have noticed that BIOS updates now enable TPM by default so in all probability you will find Windows 11 coming your way.
@@KitGuruTech My just over a year old rig has a 3600 in it. I'm not planning to switch to Windows 11 for at least 12 months. And possibly not until Windows 10 end of life update support ends.
Btw I know that the Windows 10/11 choice was a damned if you do, damned if you don't one for reviewers.
If you'd stick with W10 you could say it was a level playing field but at the risk of not optimising Intel 12th Gen results. W11 you presumably get to see the full potential of 12th Gen, but seemingly at the expense of AMD not having time to fully optimise their drivers.
There's also the question of whether Mucrosoft have built the W11 thread scheduler so closely around Intel chip specs that it is virtually impossible for it to be as efficient for AMD chips.
@@Penfolduk001 It has been shown the latest fixes have very slightly improved gaming results for Ryzen over Windows 10 in 11. What are the bugs still present for only Ryzen?
Love this no bullshit review. I had the same mixed feelings about Alder Lake. Thank you!
The fact that you need to buy a high end cooler (360mm) to overclock is the killer. Then of course, you have to pay the electric bill too, but beyond 330W for just the CPU isn’t going to be cheap!!!
@Krisroffer Pettersson cope AMDRONE
@@tringuyen7519 I can say my pc was used for business 100% of the time, and tax write off the electric bill :-)
Two thumbs up! For Leo, that is. I do enjoy his intelligence, hard work, and style.
I do have one question: what is the maximum RAM? I've checked a couple of boards and it seems to be 128 GB, but is that a board limitation, a chipset limitation, that no one is producing 64 GB DDR5 DIMMs, or something else?
Good question and we don't (yet) know what the limit is, although it's hard to think of 128GB as a limit.
@@KitGuruTech You yourselves use a Mac with 384 GB.
@@QuentinStephens When Allan speeced that Mac Pro he went BIG on everything
Following up on that question, it seems like a chicken and egg thing. Right now you can only get 32GB DDR5 DIMMs so motherboard manufacturers won't be able to develop BIOS support until we see the next bump in capacity.
@@KitGuruTech Speaking of a chicken and egg thing, I loved the "or the other way around" note at 25:29 - been thinking the same thing :))
running a 5ghz p 4ghz e and 4.1 ring oc on my 12900k @ 1.23V, never breaking 85c on a 280mm aio. Voltage plays a huge role with these chips, and the stock llc and voltages applied from these motherboards is just way too high.
What is the brand of your cooler? And your case please.
@@mohsenkhorsandi7165 corsair h115i capellix, corsair 4000x case (with airflow front panel)
@@bulletz4life Thanks mate. That's a really good aio.
@@mohsenkhorsandi7165 i think anything 240mm and up would be fine as long as you dont push the oc too hard and drop voltages as low as possible. I dont need the extra 1000 cinebench points from pushing the oc to 5.2ghz while gaining 30c in temps
@@bulletz4life I'm using a 360mm Cooler master on the 12700k. The Temps are below 75c on 188 watts.
When you OC , it's expected to get hot .. even if its a factory OC .. i have the i9 12900K and not realy have problems , i run it in non -OC .. because i didnt see much difference between OC or NOT OC .. it all depends what you are using it for i guess.. OC doesnt mean much difference when playing games ... you're better off OCing you GPU instead ... my i9 is idle 28C .. only time it jumps up is when unpacking games .. like installing a big game.. and even then it goes back down fast again when the effenciency cores take over.. nice thing is i can install certain games using those cores and my CPU temp stays hovering around 35C
omg thank you for adding OC tests
Ideally don't update (in-place) a major windows release, and absolutely not if you're doing benchmark testing. You're making assumptions about the i7 versus i9, the "silicon" isn't the issue instead base clocks, cache and core count.
Temperatures .. The thinner the better prior. Intel and AMD chips with thick wafers made temperature disposition more difficult. The thinner layers allow for better disposition of heat. I think people need to start focusing more on architecture and MTr/mm².
Windows clean installs .. JJ at ASUS goes into more detail.
Delidding and heat compensation .. Derbauer delidding i9-12900K offered a good explanation and comparison.
It's not an assumption about Core i7 vs. Core i9, more like an initial assessment based on our test data
The best review. Away from advertising and unnecessary praise. Realistic and honest. Thanks for your hard work. 👏
Glad you liked it!
How hot is acceptable with the i9 12900k
Great going - I always enjoy your team's videos, which are a nice mix of being informative and being entertaining.
Much appreciated!
Given the pricing and availability of the DDR5 modules, this calls for a subsequent review with the 12th gen Intels running on the DDR4 RAM for more comparative platform to the 11th and 10th gen and Ryzen Zen3 processors. That way you could also check how the memory latency differs between the CPU families/archs instead of CPU+MEM archs ;)
Furthermore, I'd love to see if the 12th gen iGPU QSV got any better in terms of quality and speed of outputs for media encoding tasks - QSV has been a great tool in the Intel arsenal/stack when compared to Ryzen units for media processing.
Moreover, maybe you could even add the current cream of the crop mobile/laptop CPUs in the comparison charts given how in some tests those mobile CPUs are quite close to their desktop brethren whilst being less than half if not a quarter in terms of power and thermal envelope, and given how much full desktop builds or new laptops cost now. It'd be very beneficial and maybe kind of eye-opening, since several of your test tools/suites already are working on or have a build for M1s, to test those new CPUs in relation to also 11th and 10th gen Intel mobile H-units and Ryzen Zen3 mobile H/HX-units and of course Apple Silicon Pro and Max variants... after all we're still awaiting the 12th gen mobile Intels where Intel might be able to step up its game in terms of power and efficiency but Apple heralds its new silicon as the most efficient and performant for the electricity bills there is ;) Let's just see how far those stable 240+W CPU package draws get the new Intel from all those platforms targeted at the more efficient compute horsepower market.
But why Gamers Nexus measured only 70°C with similar load with a 360mm AIO while you measured 15°C more with no OC?
Anyone still got the
ProSiphon Elite giant? Love to see what it makes of the 12th gen, but guess there isn't a mount for it yet....
lol 240 watts is insane for this day and age
Hello Leo, your video was highly informative and well made. However, I am curious to know, what are the load voltages on the P and E cores, respectively, for the Turbo Boost limit under Thermal Velocity boost? I am curious to know what undervolting headroom there is for P and E cores, as well as current restriction, since Intel XTU offers these features and is being updated for the Alder Lake series of processors.
Leo here: Glad to hear you enjoyed it. I made a note of the single VID figure during testing however we have to assume the two types of cores run at different voltages but it was too complicated to get into that during these launch reviews. It will certainly be a point of interest when we get to Z690 motherboard reviews.
i still have to wait to update to W11, asus sound cards only work with W10...
whats with the watch dog min fps results? its like half of 12600k
Leo here: Minimum fps is a horrible metric and we much prefer to use minimum 1% (Dominic does that in his reviews) however OCAT can be a pain with certain games so I ditched it and went with minimums as they are reported every time. I didn't notice stuttering in games with any of these CPUs. Even the lowliest Core i5 does a reasonable job.
There's an error in HWinfo64. Its reporting Alder Lake at 100°c under full load when its actually at 70°c. I got a super chip that does 5.7GHz on 1c 5.6GHz on 2c and 5.4 on all 8c. This is using a 360mm RAD, custom.
Though, i wouldn't use HWinfo64 to test 12th Gen when running all cores flat out.
You're going to have to back that up with more information including your preferred monitoring utility. During testing on Auto we reported temperatures in the 80s, so what temperature do you think is correct? and where does your information about HWiNFO64 come from? as an FYI, during my testing I contacted my Intel rep on two separate occasions to report seeing 100 C in those specific circumstances and received no push back at all. Also, why didn't the reported temperature go higher say to 105C or 109C?
looking at this I'm beginning to regret ordering 12900k and Aorus master, makes much more sense to pick a £200 DDR5 mobo, the 12600k and cheap out on the RAM, it still offers more performance than most people will ever need whilst offering the potential for incremental upgrades in the future that other platforms can't offer whilst recognising that the new features are in their infancy, the higher end components will likely not age well, high speed RAM with tighter timings will likely become rather cheap in 2-3 years, which current motherboards are unlikely to support well if at all, and it seems probable that Intel will start packing future generations of processors with ever greater numbers of E-cores without doing much to P-cores outside of trying to stay noticeably ahead of AMD in single threaded performance.
@Krisroffer Pettersson 100% if it doesn't ship tomorrow (I don't think anyone has those boards anyway) I will cancel but I'll still buy some kind of alder lake setup it still seems like it makes most sense in terms of being able to upgrade each part individually going forward given I don't have that much work that is CPU intensive, but it is nice to have the best parts even if only for a few months, the problem with waiting is that there is always something to wait for; when you need to upgrade, you need to upgrade.
Great review, any graphs comparing Intel in win 11 to amd on win 10? I feel like Intel paid off Microsoft for a couple months of bad AMD performance to get them through the review cycle.
@Krisroffer Pettersson thanks, I'll check it out.
Honestly, OC on this processor isn't worth it IMO. Small gain and huge fan noise, which certainly will bother you more than you think.
Sticking with my 10900k for a loooooong time.
9900K here. same. even with my 3090. at 1440p there no point imo as of yet
@KitGuruTech Does ECC memory support on all DDR5 motherboards enabled by default without any restrictions(or special requirements)?
Excellent Review. The best I have seen so far.
Thank you for such an honest review... it's refreshing!
Glad it was helpful!
Q: H100i v2 can work on i9-12900K CPU?
Thank You Leo!
Meanwhile, apple is laughing at their competitors 240W TDP desktop cpu and soon to be released 600W GPU.
The pc landscape is comically laughable at this point.
If you can’t beat them, just quadruple down.
60-80% more power for 2-5% more fps at resolution with gpus which nobody dont use in reality
@Krisroffer Pettersson Linus and Jay and others with million+sucsribers sold their ass for $ to everyone who pays more
@Krisroffer Pettersson zen3dv will back crown in gaming for 2-3mobths when it will released even now this 1-4% are pretty low too so ryzen 6000 will not have hard deal to beat Alderlake
I'm surprised, and disappointed on your behalf, that this combined detailed overview and review has only received 103,082 views in 8 days. Sadly, I think people generally prefer race-through gamer benchmarks and no details. I like information, I prefer detail.
So if someone is using Linux this isn't the ideal gen?
Excellent review. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
My verdict, which I haven't heard said outright to this point, is simply that there is no outright winner. It seems to come down to a case of "AMD edges ahead when your application benefits from multicore, Intel if it depends on single core". Will Intel only have to throw more cores at it to win both styles of benchmark? Given a PC with these new premium CPUs in can easily cost upwards of £3,000 perhaps somebody will come up with a motherboard for ultimate power-users which uses both CPUs and which will only add a few hundred quid to the total cost? Now there's an idea! A four grand PC with AMD & Intel on board. :) I am thrilled though that this means Intel retakes the crown for gamers............. I just happen to be a technical user, not a gamer. So what's Intel doing for me?
Great review.
I think it's about as good as they can do on that 10nm trash, By trash I mean compared to TSMC's 7nm and soon to be 5nm.
I'll stick with my Haswell 5960X just a little longer, Made it last this long.
Whatever high end comes out next year from either company will do me another 7 years! ;)
my 12900k boosting to 5.4...must have gotten lucky
What water cooler are you using? And how much did it cost?
@@tringuyen7519 just using the Ryujin from asus. the asus boards fit the new bracket and old so didn't have to change anything. What what the cooler or cpu?
Leo. Next Manchester United Manager.
Leo here and unsure if that is high praise or a terrible insult
@@KitGuruTech Definitely high Praise considering the high quality and dedication in your job.
That huge water cooler and the cpu sits at 100 degrees C... Failure
Intel wins some loses some and gaming same scenario. Not really impressed but major improvement. Bring the heat intel , literally!
So weird, why are there these issues on Win 10... Otherwise, some decent gains by Intel, but not the blowout ppl were expecting from Intel's marketing slides.
The workloads have to be scheduled and directed. Windows 10 understands how to do that when all the cores are the same, although one or two may be designated as preferred cores. With Intel 12th Gen the Thread Director has to be able to communicate with the OS and that is a new function we have not previously seen.
i dont have much enthusiasm for the new intel chip that is equal to a year old chip from amd
I need More info Plz make more video because I am buying a PC and don't know which to buy AMD or INTEL
100% AMD. All joking aside you will be happy with both, don’t get caught up in brand names.
if power or MSRP/mobo-cooling-ram prices is a concern of yours, then go with Ryzen 5 5600x or Ryzen 9 5900x. If you got tons of money and dont care that your pc is a space heater, + can run watercooling 360mm AOI, or costum loop + want the absolute fastest, then go with the 12900k.
Intel consumes 2x the power and performs maybe 2% better and you still get more expensive ram and boards etc.
I upgrade every few generations and by then its a new socket or ram. Wait for zen 3d if you are not in need of an upgrade as I was on a several generation old Intel
i dont care about watts. i want performance go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
so, it will go nicely with the RTX4090Ti, need something to warm things up around Ultima Thule, lol.
Boiler room in the making with that combo for sure
Best review yet on RUclips with architecture explained, the others are like : "defeated", "crushed", "blood bath", so on... to many superlatives for a mediocre CPU launch , representative for the hunger of the RUclipsrs that have had a blank year till now when their Jesus resurrected so that can give us the honest content.
another waste of sand... 4 time the power consumption for1 Digit performance gains...
They're going to iterate the hell out of this. AMD need to step up.
Intel needs to improve their fabrication node or TSMC will leave them in the dust. It doesn't matter if they have the superior design, amd will reap the node befits tsmc makes.
Zen 4D will already be crushing this @ almost 40% less wattage on multicore loads... Alder lake is nice technology-wise, but it'll take a while for it to grain proper traction with software support etc. Kind of like with Ryzen 1
LoL Leo you can still buy here the intel 12900K and KF ppl dont buying them... no wonder why. its not that huge of Performance.
Not as much power hungry as the rtx 3090
AMD used to be the hot chips.
CHECK power at the wall when computer is idling . I know why you don't . Wall power at idle for AMD is 100 watts its 30 watts for intel . So shut your AMDs down when not using they suck power at idle at the wall.
Leo here: I have stopped logging idle power draw for the system and CPU because it doesn't tell me anything useful and the charts are very dull.
Lol where did you hear this nonsence so your whole intel 12900k rig pulls 30watts from the wall whis fans coolers drives etc utter tosh 😂
@@KitGuruTech COME ON KIT YOU KNOW THATS INCORRECT DO YOU TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER WHEN NOT IN USE? I DO NOT NOR DO MOST PEOPLE . SO WHEN YOUR SLEEPING YOUR PULLING 100+ WATTS FROM THE WALL WITH AMD AND 30 TO 35 WATTS WITH INTEL SET UP, AS I UNDERSTAND NEXT GEN. AMD HAS FIXED THIS PROBLEM , AT THE SAME TIME INTEL HAS CUT POWER USAGE ON RAPTOR LAKE BIG TIME SO 5.5 GHZ WILL BE COMMON.
It looks like the rise of the 1200 watt power supply’s again.
Thanks, Leo, great review.
Everybody are exciting by the new arhitecture which is interesting.. but..3200mhz vs 3200++++in favor of AMD ? Note that no ryzen need liquid cooler..add z690 mobo (ddr5 motherboard only 600 euro ), double price ddr5 mem and almost double power...for +10% in few synthetic bench...3 gen wasting resources for the blue WEF should consider intel a present danger for climate change..
Big whoops and hurrahs then ...
Sorry Kit, but Intel's 10nm is far superior to AMD's(TSMC's) 7nm.
Why are you sorry ? Pretty sure Leo likes the 12900k….
10nm is trash there stuck at 14nm+++++++++++++ while amd will go for 5nm
@@drsm7947 You call it trash but it's beating 7nm in almost every test..? Not to mention it's 8p+8e, half of which don't even have HT.
If anything it shows how slow TSMC's 7nm is.
@@frostybe3r its still a trash and it did not beat at eveey test and amd 7nm beat intel because intel stuck 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ while amd will go for 5nm soon
@@drsm7947 Uh, are you 13?
pity it doesn't play the games i like
and which games would they be? Intel 12th Gen does a fine job at gaming, just as Intel claimed it would
My good these new cpus are laughable, due to that watt usage.
Electric utilities are rubbing their hands with glee😬
Intel fanboys today: Wow, just wow, anyone talking about the 12900K using too much power isn't a real gamer at all, you're not a true enthusiast, you should stick to games consoles noob.
Intel fanboys on the fx9590: LOL It UsEs TOo mUCh POweRz aND iZ a rOoM HEAteR
@@Distortion_World And still for to spend a lot on a cooler which adds to the costs.
@@Distortion_World you also sound like what? an amd fanboy. so it goes both ways
All this doesn't matter as you cant get a Gpus LOL
INTEL 5GHz vs. AMD 3.9GHz, that is 25% difference already!
Sure thing, clock speed times core count gives a good feel for any CPU's performance
I think I'm gonna pass on this i9 12900K (I currently have 3770K) I would rather buy the 5950X instead.
But I guess I wait for AMD's next upcoming CPU as they do a much better job with performance/power draw.
*Like always when Intel releases a CPU that comes close to their top CPU, AMD crushes Intel in the END!*
Draws half the power and don't regret getting it. Using an AIO for it and barely audible. Awesome for silence and work.
It seems to me you're on the Intel payroll why does every other reviewer say that Windows 10 is better than 11 are they doing something wrong
That's a strange conclusion for you to draw. What we demonstrated is that in one specific test the results go haywire for Intel 12th Gen on Windows 10 and therefore we used Windows 11 throughout. For all we know other software also behaves in a similar manner but we didn't see that and we didn't claim that. End of story.
This hybrid does not interest me at all. As far as I care Intel is falling and they get desperate creating this nonsense of a product. The end.
To be fair the latest info from AMD suggests they will eventually go the Big.Little route. In fact I think they're aiming for more "little cores" than big ones. Of course, what we will have to see is whether AMDs "little" cores are just revamped current cores and the "big" ones are actually monsters...
So it's a big disappointment
That is a harsh summary. There are lots of new things here and they all work. Separating the chipset from the CPU from the architecture and Windows 11 so we can fathom what is going on; that is a bit of a nightmare.
It's largely the best result performing set of desktop CPUs that exist. And it's brand new with first go BIOSes. There is still a lot of dust to settle. And the CPU pricing is competitive in the current market.
@@KitGuruTech well, if 2-5% average preformance gains over the ryzen 5900x/5950x are good for a near 75-100watt tradeoff, combined with higher mobo + cooling prices, and requirement for win11 as well as living with a spaceheater and more expensive memory. While their Cpu prices has actually also gone up compared to previous gens. Then i gues you can call it not a disaster. In my book Chris is right, this is an utter disapointment if you consider prices/overall system expense and overall upsides/downsides in mind. + dont forget that you will be a beta tester for x86-64´s first bit-little cpu design/arch, and a win11 bug tester too.
@@AdaaDK seems you already had all that prepared before you even watched the video. You did watch it right ? Cause I clearly watched something completely different than you did !!
@@theonlyredspecial i watched a ton of reviews, this was the last one i watched. But to me, they all conclude the same, only 12600k worth it, and only if you can reuse ddr4 or find a good deal on a decent ddr5 kitt, and a decent priced mobo(hard part). The overall system price is much much higher than Ryzen, hell you can get a 5800x vs a 12600k and still save money, even if the cpu is more expensive, just cos of the added cost to intel with the need of a larger cooler and more expensive mobo.
280 watts..... WTF
Intel vs AMD is non sense, our true enemy is Apple silicon
1st
you are a machine
The 12900K uses a lot of power in virus app. But if you test in games and most other apps its reasonable. When at idle no one using. its way more efficient than AMD POWER AT THE WALL. INTEL IS EASY TO OC. Simply rum it full turbo . This clown is a hater. It matches the 5950x which uses a lot of power also . If I want I can easily get 230 watts on a 5950x
Leo here. You are being rude and unpleasant.
Is it just me, or did you leave out overclocking the 5950X in some of those tests, while you overclocked the 12900K and also included the stock results?
That is the trap that these tech reviewers do. They have the i9 running PL2 or oveclocked with infinite turbo (5GHz for 8 p-cores and maybe 3GHz for the e cores) while they have the 5950X at stock which has 20% less IPC and only 3.8GHz clockspeed.
This explains some nonsense like "12900K uses too much power".
@@saricubra2867 5.7ghz 2 core
~5.4ghz p-cores, ~3.9 ghz e-cores 24/7 OC
x40 ring min
6400mhz ddr5
its way past the capabilities of the 5950x
Leo here: Yes, however you can refer to Luke's reviews of the individual CPUs to see how they behave when overclocked. It all comes down to timing. Those four Zen 3 CPUs were tested on Windows 11 with those various games after AMD patched their chipset drivers. You may think you are missing half the data but Luke did a superb job.
@@KitGuruTech Thanks Leo.
PS: I wasn't calling you on it or anything, i wanted to ask the question, but sat there for about 5 minutes trying to come up with wording that wouldn't come off as a call out.
Not sure how i done though. But thanks for the response.
@@saricubra2867 Non-sense. Drawing 2x more power to get 1-3% more performance on average and you are probably an intel fanboy that would cherry pick benchmarks as well in favor of single core which is backwards.
Leo, would you agree that, after Steve from Gamers Nexus showed the 12900K using almost as much power at stock as the 5950X was using while overclocked... that i could say -
'The 12900K is Intel's fx9590'?
In terms of power usage and heat output of course.
Intel 12th Gen is not as efficient as Zen 3, especially Ryzen 9. That is crystal clear from our charts.
I'm thinking that amd isn't able to keep up with the new intel regardless of whether it's given more power or not, correct? I'm looking for performance in my desktop processor so that I don't have to wait for renders, and so that other applications and/or games will run faster. It's predictable how many people who favor amd suddenly turn into energy misers who care so deeply when intel releases this newest iteration. My mind isn't fully made up either way yet, as I need to look over more tests... but I don't think I'm interested to save a few dollars in electricity so that I can worship 'the underdog' etc. Also I think some people are getting stuck on the fact that they've recently upgraded to a perfectly fine amd recently. So they figure why switch now, which would make sense. That said, I was leaning towards an amd cpu a couple months back. But with this newest intel, the decision is harder to make. I'm coming from an i7-4770k and want to go to what will give the most notable boost over my 8 year old cpu. I'm hoping to decide soon. I'm just trying to get a handle on much difference there will be. That said, thanks for the review which will go towards me eventually deciding