@solverh The X-15 was an amazing piece of flight hardware but it was an experimental air craft and was never used in regular service. BTW, the X-15s' air frame was made of an Inconel alloy. Cheers
I work in the Melt shop at Timet and also worked in VDP, the Godless creation that bought the company has since torn down many buildings and shuttered VDP. We get all our sponge from Japan now
Ive read in multiple bike magzines, from jeff jones, and from other people in the industry that the mass produced titanium bikes (not custom) usually use a form of x-ray welding.
to weld titanium used for bike frames (most of the time) They either use an airtight thing, or x-ray welding. I have spoken with jones from jones bikes at interbike, and thats what I have learned
Titanium is the perfect metal, low density, high strength and hardness, extremely corrosion resistant, nonmagnetic, high melting point, common in the earth's soil, what's making it so damn expensive is the Manufacturing Process.
And your last point is exactly why Ti is NOT the perfect metal. It is also not perfect if you want high conductivity, if you need even lower weight or extreme heat resistance.
Almost every Fighter Jet in the post Vietnam/Cold War era is made from Titanium. The F111, F4 Phantom, F14 Tomcat, F15 Eagle, F16 Falcon, F18 Hornet, F22 Raptor, and F35 Lightning are all made from Ti. Other Countries still struggle today to manufacturer high purity elemental Titanium. The explosion and subsequent meltdown of the #4 reactor at the Chernobyll nuclear power station was the result of many many things all going wrong in exactly the right order. However, it must be noted that the Soviet Union was unable to produce high purity Uranium 235 fuel for their reactor cores. The contaminants within the isotope created wildly random spikes in reactivity. These fluctuations in reactor made it incredibly unstable at times when it was being run at low power. Building up Xenon that wasn't being burned away. When the Chernobyl crew ran a test of the emergency back up cooling system after being run at a low output level for too long, combines with extreme negligence on the operators part, the core exploded. It was by sheer luck later on when the fuel melted down into a series of full bubbler pools of water below the reactor which they all thought were empty. The steam explosion would have sent the remaining fissioning reactor core into super critical mass and there would have been a 3-5 megaton nuclear explosion. So because of their inability to purify uranium effectively because of the sheer cost and labor involved to do so, it almost made half the planet radio active and uninhabitable for humans for many hundreds of years at least. My point is that refining Titanium is very costly and labor intensive. Many Nations simply can't do it on a large scale, and in this area Americas ability to refine Titanium is second to none, and we have no equal on this planet in air combat superiority. God Bless America!
On all aircraft models you mentioned they used some components made from Titanium, but not in the fuselage and wings like in the SR-71. And your Chermobyl story has notihng to do with titanium, so why mention it?
Titanium is such a cool metal. Many types out there. Ti 6-4 which is used for most of the aerospace parts. There's another that you'll see Ti 6-2-4-2. Ti 6-4 is 6% Aluminium, 4% Valadium and 90% Titanium. Ti 6-2-4-2 is 6% Alum, 2% Moly, 4% Zirconium 2% Tin. It's non-magnetic and needs recycled.
You have titanium commercial grade that's pure titanium... nowadays there are so many different titanium alloys you have to look it up... however 6/4 alloy is the most common!
Jones bikes, Moots, and a lot of other high end titanium bike companies like linksey and merlin use it. I have 4 chromium/molybdenium infused steel bikes that I ride now.
The compact bricks are welded together with plasma torches...in a backfilled argon Chamber.... this becomes an electrode.... that's melted into a vacuum furnace becoming a 20,000 lb ingot then transferred over to a forging furnace!
Wow, thats incredible and it takes sooo much work. Think about what you are doing when you throw away metal products like aluminum cans, or that lithium batteries in your old phones or even a metal folding chair. RECYCLE as much as possible. They should really start turning plastic back into oil too.
@uzerofutube its incredibly undevalued atm, I have just bought a fine .999 1oz bar for £10 off ebay. Crazy cheap when you think how much gold is per oz. Ti could be the next 'precious' metal IMO
Chemical processes in small batches. It's not the only way to find titanium, you can find it in nature in a lot of places, even trace amounts in meteorites. This process is complicated due to the fact that it's hard to separate the pure element so we can use it. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and separating it from water is still expensive.
[0:09] “…the fastest aircraft ever built!” Hmm, impressive as Blackbird is, still the X-15 actually could go a lot faster. The SR-71 may be the fastest endurance plane, but it sure isn’t the fastest ever built.
Wow, big contrast with steel making. With iron it's just like BURN BABY BURN!, everything in the Ti production process seems so much smaller and controlled by comparison
Da. Titanium as well as some other metals have to be melted in a vacuum. Do you know why that is? The liquid metal will absorb oxygen and other gases and that ruins it.
@drakio99 they "make" 88 mill, yes, but they probably spend 60 million on all the chemicals and mining proccess, so it's only a 20-40 million dollar company if I had to guess..
if you want to weld up a bike frame of anything else out of Ti, you can do the Tig process or Mig weld. you'll need some inert gas shielding, like helium or argon. you don't want oxygen contamination in the weld-it will substantially weaken it. don't believe these people who say it is so complicated - they need some excuse to charge rediculous sums for the bikes, probably by a factor of 100x. why x-ray a bike frame weld - I doubt it. its not like its in a nuclear reactor.
could you use a spray welding just like a plasma cuter or laser and use the dust as the filler ... and then, if that worked, you could use the brain from 3D printer, to controll welder heads and then print the parts out. that would short cut the middle prosess,, i just say think about it, im trying to think outside the box.
Kinda scary that the actual top speed of the SR-71 is still classified to this day. Makes me wonder that, since it was retired, what exactly did they replace it with?
@AnaisMartane Except that when the Blackbird got up to speed, ducts opened in the engines that bypassed the fans and turned them into ramjets. The engines were actually really clever. The problem was that the Russians developed the Mig-31 which is almost as fast for short bursts, so if they were clever and a bit lucky there was a good chance of shooting the Blackbird down. The general consensus is that it was replaced by satellites, but the program was secret so who knows?
Spy SATS and advanced SAMS/radars made it obsolete. Why would you need a plane that can photograph a vehicle's license plate while flying at an insane altitude when you can see almost everything with a spy satellite without the risk of getting caught? It got replaced, just not by another aircraft.
you don't need a super welder - you can buy a Mig or Tig at a welding supply store that will do the job. shielding not a big deal either, especially with Mig. I've never Tig welded Ti. now the bike makers will still need to hire a guy who has some training to weld. I don't think you want that entry level, unless you like bubble gum weak welds.
your comments on welding are mostly wrong. when making tubing, it does get welding in a small airtight box filled with an inert gas (like helium or argon), and the weld is made with the Tig process - small tungsten electrodes about the size of a pencil or in some cases a laser.
Oooh yeah now i remenber that Oxygen must be taken away from any welding process that's why they use that special wire that burn producing CO i think that repels the oxygen from the atmosphere. But by "inert gas" you mean someone from the noble gas family dont you?
Titanium cannot be welded by normal process like the electricity arc, cause as he melts for a milisecond he will react with the oxygen in the air, or even the freaking Nitrogen will react with it, detroying it.
you meen cold casting titaniam no i my salf never seen or hard of that but i might be rong i do alote of cold casting with my corp and i done silver bronze coper and plastic but i never hard of titanium cold casting if you know of it late me know lol but thin again it would not be real as cold casting is a 2 compound and one that is razin more less look fell of aluma
@@godbluffvdgg Seems like it used quite a few since they had to buy Ti from the soviets to build a plane to spy on them. Later on with the B2 they had to create hundreds of false companies to buy even more Ti from the soviets to build the ultimate plane to... bomb them. Politics work in misterious ways.
@@alanwatts8239 They're all intrinsically connected...They only pretend to be separate ideologies for the rubes...It's all a dog and pony show...:)...Alan Watts is an important luminary from back in the day, as I'm sure you know; :)
Nope. We bought it through fronts from the soviets. Here's a source to verify. www.mining.com/bbc-future-sr-71-blackbird-the-cold-wars-ultimate-spy-plane-11725/
@@doxielain2231 Yup. Ti Ore (i.e. rutile sand) Was back then obtained from the then USSR via 3rd party subterfuge! Rutile (TiO2) is now obtained primarily from sources in South Australia & S. Africa. (See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutile for details.)
LOL never used for a plane before UMMM the avro arrow holds the first for that ... and flew as fast and as high too ... the sr71 was about tp be cancelled in march of 59 ... but the arrow was cancelled the month before and already knew how to use titnaium and work it ... so they took the swept wing sr71 failure and made it delta winged and a success ... no sadly too many american lies in this story ... and yes even the arrow with its heavier slower larger P&W j75 engines was already close to the sr 71 ... if they let206 fly the sr 71 would never have been buiilt because the arrow could do what it did and PROTECT ITSELF .. pity a country lost the best plane ever design and produced ... yes produced ... there were NEVER any arrow proto types ... the cook craige method was direct to production line .. so all 37 planes on the line were PRODUCTION run aircraft ... best part the design spec air 7.3 still is un met today 63 years later ... not even the f35 all 3 variants cn match her not even the f22 ... NOTHING meets the spec th arrow was built to and had finished 95% of its testing and exceeded everything except being a 2 seater fighter interceptor with 2 jet turbines ... thats right ... that is all the spec they met the rest they exceeded ... and with the ps13's she would have passed the sr71 in ALL aspects ... pity a PM and the americans didnt want the best ... just second best
Not kidding, such decades old RUclips videos are some of the most informative content I have ever seen!
There's my dad at 4:20 no joke.
He gave me one of those titanium "buttons" before.
Sponge is melted in a button furnace... for analysis!
Wow I have a new respect for the metal that's in my hip!
It takes a number of rejected castings before one become usable ball joint!
Was a crane operator at TIMET back in the 80's. This brings back memories.
any cute girls work there?
@@cattnipp No
@@scott658 well that kinda sucks
Very informative video!
@solverh The X-15 was an amazing piece of flight hardware but it was an experimental air craft and was never used in regular service.
BTW, the X-15s' air frame was made of an Inconel alloy.
Cheers
I work in the Melt shop at Timet and also worked in VDP, the Godless creation that bought the company has since torn down many buildings and shuttered VDP. We get all our sponge from Japan now
Titanium is my favorite metal!
Mine, too. (It's 'biocompatible' w. bones and IS used for fixing fractures & in dental implants.)
Ive read in multiple bike magzines, from jeff jones, and from other people in the industry that the mass produced titanium bikes (not custom) usually use a form of x-ray welding.
that aircraft is over 30 years and looks like it should be designed and build todays date.. and still are one of the fastest.. amazing.
to weld titanium used for bike frames (most of the time) They either use an airtight thing, or x-ray welding. I have spoken with jones from jones bikes at interbike, and thats what I have learned
They use heliarc with a titanium fillet rod... then they x-ray the weld!
Titanium is the perfect metal, low density, high strength and hardness, extremely corrosion resistant, nonmagnetic, high melting point, common in the earth's soil, what's making it so damn expensive is the Manufacturing Process.
It's not perfect if you want to make magnets!
uzerofutube it’s not very good at high temperatures.....
They have all titanium submarines!
And your last point is exactly why Ti is NOT the perfect metal. It is also not perfect if you want high conductivity, if you need even lower weight or extreme heat resistance.
love the work here
Almost every Fighter Jet in the post Vietnam/Cold War era is made from Titanium. The F111, F4 Phantom, F14 Tomcat, F15 Eagle, F16 Falcon, F18 Hornet, F22 Raptor, and F35 Lightning are all made from Ti. Other Countries still struggle today to manufacturer high purity elemental Titanium. The explosion and subsequent meltdown of the #4 reactor at the Chernobyll nuclear power station was the result of many many things all going wrong in exactly the right order. However, it must be noted that the Soviet Union was unable to produce high purity Uranium 235 fuel for their reactor cores. The contaminants within the isotope created wildly random spikes in reactivity. These fluctuations in reactor made it incredibly unstable at times when it was being run at low power. Building up Xenon that wasn't being burned away. When the Chernobyl crew ran a test of the emergency back up cooling system after being run at a low output level for too long, combines with extreme negligence on the operators part, the core exploded. It was by sheer luck later on when the fuel melted down into a series of full bubbler pools of water below the reactor which they all thought were empty. The steam explosion would have sent the remaining fissioning reactor core into super critical mass and there would have been a 3-5 megaton nuclear explosion. So because of their inability to purify uranium effectively because of the sheer cost and labor involved to do so, it almost made half the planet radio active and uninhabitable for humans for many hundreds of years at least. My point is that refining Titanium is very costly and labor intensive. Many Nations simply can't do it on a large scale, and in this area Americas ability to refine Titanium is second to none, and we have no equal on this planet in air combat superiority. God Bless America!
On all aircraft models you mentioned they used some components made from Titanium, but not in the fuselage and wings like in the SR-71. And your Chermobyl story has notihng to do with titanium, so why mention it?
0:55 actually (i dont know if this is true) the heat from friction is minimal. The main portion of the heat comes from compressing the air.
Titanium is such a cool metal. Many types out there. Ti 6-4 which is used for most of the aerospace parts. There's another that you'll see Ti 6-2-4-2.
Ti 6-4 is 6% Aluminium, 4% Valadium and 90% Titanium.
Ti 6-2-4-2 is 6% Alum, 2% Moly, 4% Zirconium 2% Tin.
It's non-magnetic and needs recycled.
Do you know what all that means?
You have titanium commercial grade that's pure titanium... nowadays there are so many different titanium alloys you have to look it up... however 6/4 alloy is the most common!
@sleeper393 Electron beam welding is the most common in the aerospace industry.
The welding is done in a vacuum chamber.
Heliarc and plasma welding in a Argon backfilled Chambers!
Jones bikes, Moots, and a lot of other high end titanium bike companies like linksey and merlin use it. I have 4 chromium/molybdenium infused steel bikes that I ride now.
The compact bricks are welded together with plasma torches...in a backfilled argon Chamber.... this becomes an electrode.... that's melted into a vacuum furnace becoming a 20,000 lb ingot then transferred over to a forging furnace!
Wow, thats incredible and it takes sooo much work. Think about what you are doing when you throw away metal products like aluminum cans, or that lithium batteries in your old phones or even a metal folding chair. RECYCLE as much as possible. They should really start turning plastic back into oil too.
This wonderful elemental metal is created during the explosion of a star called a supernova.
@uzerofutube its incredibly undevalued atm, I have just bought a fine .999 1oz bar for £10 off ebay. Crazy cheap when you think how much gold is per oz. Ti could be the next 'precious' metal IMO
Platinum Palladium that's just two of the top 10 precious metals... everybody knows gold is number one!
Wait a minute.... it takes all this work to make Ti?
So, how in the world anyone discovered it in the first place?
Chemical processes in small batches. It's not the only way to find titanium, you can find it in nature in a lot of places, even trace amounts in meteorites. This process is complicated due to the fact that it's hard to separate the pure element so we can use it. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and separating it from water is still expensive.
@trespire Thanx for your wonderful response :)
[0:09] “…the fastest aircraft ever built!” Hmm, impressive as Blackbird is, still the X-15 actually could go a lot faster. The SR-71 may be the fastest endurance plane, but it sure isn’t the fastest ever built.
Wow, big contrast with steel making. With iron it's just like BURN BABY BURN!, everything in the Ti production process seems so much smaller and controlled by comparison
Da. Titanium as well as some other metals have to be melted in a vacuum. Do you know why that is?
The liquid metal will absorb oxygen and other gases and that ruins it.
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@Fortispectus Yes, you are indeed right, its one of the most common elements, IN UNIVERSE! NOT IN EARTH
@drakio99 they "make" 88 mill, yes, but they probably spend 60 million on all the chemicals and mining proccess, so it's only a 20-40 million dollar company if I had to guess..
sometimes, it depends on the quality of the tubing
if you want to weld up a bike frame of anything else out of Ti, you can do the Tig process or Mig weld. you'll need some inert gas shielding, like helium or argon. you don't want oxygen contamination in the weld-it will substantially weaken it.
don't believe these people who say it is so complicated - they need some excuse to charge rediculous sums for the bikes, probably by a factor of 100x.
why x-ray a bike frame weld - I doubt it. its not like its in a nuclear reactor.
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Is titanium the strongest metal ever?
Titanium is the strongest in heat to weight ratio!
Henderson Nevada is where over 9 million pounds of space rocket fuel blew up in the 1980s
if gold [most malleable metal] plus titanium [strong metal that is very resistant to corrosion] = best armor?
If they press it into sheets how does the Bugatti veyron have one big engine block and other parts made of it?
Machined from a solid block
could you use a spray welding just like a plasma cuter or laser and use the dust as the filler ... and then, if that worked, you could use the brain from 3D printer, to controll welder heads and then print the parts out. that would short cut the middle prosess,, i just say think about it, im trying to think outside the box.
Ok , you go fly your box ..
... plasma cutter*
I was also told they used Sodium which would be a quicker process but more dangerous.
Kinda scary that the actual top speed of the SR-71 is still classified to this day. Makes me wonder that, since it was retired, what exactly did they replace it with?
@AnaisMartane Except that when the Blackbird got up to speed, ducts opened in the engines that bypassed the fans and turned them into ramjets. The engines were actually really clever. The problem was that the Russians developed the Mig-31 which is almost as fast for short bursts, so if they were clever and a bit lucky there was a good chance of shooting the Blackbird down. The general consensus is that it was replaced by satellites, but the program was secret so who knows?
Spy SATS and advanced SAMS/radars made it obsolete. Why would you need a plane that can photograph a vehicle's license plate while flying at an insane altitude when you can see almost everything with a spy satellite without the risk of getting caught? It got replaced, just not by another aircraft.
satelites
x-ray welding is what they usually use for bike manufacturing
Nonsense. X-rays are only used to check if the welding was done correctly.
I am preparing for an engineering report with the topic of "Titanium manufacturing". Do you know any sources that might help?
I have a natural source for titanium ore top quality to sell
I meant that x-ray welding is used for titanium welds
They also x-ray titanium castings!
first introduced to service in 1964, i believe.
you don't need a super welder - you can buy a Mig or Tig at a welding supply store that will do the job. shielding not a big deal either, especially with Mig. I've never Tig welded Ti.
now the bike makers will still need to hire a guy who has some training to weld. I don't think you want that entry level, unless you like bubble gum weak welds.
MIG welding you need Argon gas and other blends of gas... TIG welding you need helium gas!
No tig uses straight argon as well and no mig welding will not do for titanium....
your comments on welding are mostly wrong. when making tubing, it does get welding in a small airtight box filled with an inert gas (like helium or argon), and the weld is made with the Tig process - small tungsten electrodes about the size of a pencil or in some cases a laser.
TIG welding uses helium... MIG welding uses argon... plasma torches use argon!
Why can't Americans make a documentary that isn't totally frenetic and stressful to watch?
Because Americans have a hard time focusing and get bored
Oooh yeah now i remenber that Oxygen must be taken away from any welding process that's why they use that special wire that burn producing CO i think that repels the oxygen from the atmosphere.
But by "inert gas" you mean someone from the noble gas family dont you?
They use argon gas shielded titanium mig welders!
who else is here from the elon musk joe rogan episode
02:59
@TitaniumLSRP - No! - I'm Titanium !
lol the editing is so over the top
im a tiger...RAAWWRRR!!!!!!!!!!!
lol I am talking about a bike, not a motorcycle, silly. I didnt even know that there were titanium motorcycles.
Next is vibranium
Titanium cannot be welded by normal process like the electricity arc, cause as he melts for a milisecond he will react with the oxygen in the air, or even the freaking Nitrogen will react with it, detroying it.
Titanium can be welded via TIG welding or MIG welding!
They replaced it with satellites. They go way way faster than that aeroplane but aren't as cool.
11/3/2021 12.48 pm
Do scientist call liquid Titanium tetrachloride 'tickle juice'?
The chemical formula TiCl4 looks like it spells out "tickle" and it's easier to say than the actual formulaic name
i thought the finished product came out of the ground lol
you meen cold casting titaniam no i my salf never seen or hard of that but i might be rong
i do alote of cold casting with my corp and i done silver bronze coper and plastic but i never hard of titanium cold casting
if you know of it late me know lol
but thin again it would not be real
as cold casting is a 2 compound and one that is razin more less look fell of aluma
it's actually not too expensive for how difficult it is to produce...like 4.50 for a KG...That's cheap!
But it’s dense. So a kilogram is like nothing when making an entire plane
@@nicholasn.2883 They built 32 SR71's out of it...That must of used up a few mines...:)
ROB-IN-PHILLY
Just a couple, yah know?
@@godbluffvdgg Seems like it used quite a few since they had to buy Ti from the soviets to build a plane to spy on them. Later on with the B2 they had to create hundreds of false companies to buy even more Ti from the soviets to build the ultimate plane to... bomb them.
Politics work in misterious ways.
@@alanwatts8239 They're all intrinsically connected...They only pretend to be separate ideologies for the rubes...It's all a dog and pony show...:)...Alan Watts is an important luminary from back in the day, as I'm sure you know; :)
wow thats crazy i have so much of it in me i did not know how it was made shit
Not a war plane, ffs, it's a spy plane.
gah, the editing of this is like having a seizure
This is so ridiculously inefficient.
BTW the SR-71 was built from USSR Titanium.
Mined at the occupied Hungary, at "Kincsesbánya" mine town.
The SR71 was made from Russian Titanium....FACT!
That's bull shit.
Nope. We bought it through fronts from the soviets. Here's a source to verify. www.mining.com/bbc-future-sr-71-blackbird-the-cold-wars-ultimate-spy-plane-11725/
@@doxielain2231 Yup. Ti Ore (i.e. rutile sand) Was back then obtained from the then USSR via 3rd party subterfuge! Rutile (TiO2) is now obtained primarily from sources in South Australia & S. Africa. (See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutile for details.)
LOL never used for a plane before UMMM the avro arrow holds the first for that ... and flew as fast and as high too ... the sr71 was about tp be cancelled in march of 59 ... but the arrow was cancelled the month before and already knew how to use titnaium and work it ... so they took the swept wing sr71 failure and made it delta winged and a success ... no sadly too many american lies in this story ... and yes even the arrow with its heavier slower larger P&W j75 engines was already close to the sr 71 ... if they let206 fly the sr 71 would never have been buiilt because the arrow could do what it did and PROTECT ITSELF .. pity a country lost the best plane ever design and produced ... yes produced ... there were NEVER any arrow proto types ... the cook craige method was direct to production line .. so all 37 planes on the line were PRODUCTION run aircraft ... best part the design spec air 7.3 still is un met today 63 years later ... not even the f35 all 3 variants cn match her not even the f22 ... NOTHING meets the spec th arrow was built to and had finished 95% of its testing and exceeded everything except being a 2 seater fighter interceptor with 2 jet turbines ... thats right ... that is all the spec they met the rest they exceeded ... and with the ps13's she would have passed the sr71 in ALL aspects ... pity a PM and the americans didnt want the best ... just second best
I am preparing for an engineering report with the topic of "Titanium manufacturing". Do you know any sources that might help?
How titanium is made look it up on RUclips!