A light spring would help the piston to recover so you don't have to pull it up each time. issue with plastics is they will fail faster than metal parts.
Nice. You can get rid of the internal o-ring and make the piston holes smaller. Also the RC industry has specific oils for shocks that come in different weights/viscosities that would allow for further tuning beyond hole size.
For oil to use, you can purchase shock oil for rc cars. It comes in all sorts of different weights so that you can tune the damping of the shocks by using thicker or thinner oil. Also if you made it a coilover that would make the hammering faster since you wouldn't have to pull it back up every three hits.
This is crazy. These would be great for some heavy duty RC cars. The shock prices can get really expensive. These could be done in a parametric way too, so the size of all the parts could be tweaked and adjusted for the application.
You always have great video subjects and now that the editing and flow of the videos is improved i'm really curious to see how fast your subscriber count will climb.
Bro... honestly, I rarely comment but you are amazing!!! The edit, the sound effect, the topic..... keep going bro, you are going places!!!! In one year you will have 10x the subscribers!! Greetings from Greece!
One thing you might also consider is adding a rubber dome with air inside or something inside the shock, since the compressed shock has less internal volume than an extended shock. I'm not sure it matters much at this scale, however it would be more true to actual shock design. (Thanks superfastmatt for the excellent video on shocks)
Great video! But just nitpicking, dampening refers to making something damp. Damping refers to lessening the amplitude of a wave, or in this case absorbing energy.
These video get better everytime. I think you should do more in depth explanations of how the thing works, that was my favorite part of this video, get some info graphics 😎. :) good job 😎
Thank you! I often find myself tangenting too much when explain how things work, so I try to keep it short and concise but I will definitely note this!
This is a great demo of hydraulic dynamics honestly. For some reason this reminds me of that myth busters myth where the impact from hitting water with a lot of momentum is just as hard as concrete. This also makes me think of that project farm channel where he experiments with all types of oils and engines in great detail. He's done a lot of experimentation so if anyone knows which oil is ideal for this purpose it's him. I on the other hand have no clue lmao but gg another great video Camden!
Thanks! The biggest reason why vegetable oil isn't very good for this is the viscosity changes drastically as the temperature changes, for example at like 3 degrees it becomes almost a grease but at like 30 degrees its nearly as viscos as water. Engine oil or actual shock oil is meant to maintain a fairly consistent viscosity between large temp changes so that is where I will start!
Hammer crane drop, they were busting if you can break the water tension with a hammer before hitting the water from a high fall/dive, thus making the fall survivable, and not like hitting concrete.
@@cohenhill6376 The gas engine? Not really, I am thinking of retiring it for the time being to move onto bigger projects, it's been too much of a hassle and has caused me alot of stress to work on so I think for now I am just focusing my attention in a new direction
To take this to a version two and level it up you could do it. Audi does and put metal particles in the oil and use a magnet, the magnet on sucks the particles to the top or the bottom causing the fluid to be less viscous release the magnet particles fall into solution more viscous.
Now add some springy shim discs that mask larger secondary oil flow holes, to flatten the speed/resistance curve, like a real suspension damper. Just small holes are used, if you want an exponential speed/resistance damping curve.
I bet you could increase the max rpm of an engine with pneumatic shocks for when the pistons are at tdc and bdc so they have a better ability to slow down and you could even have the amount of air in the shocks adjustable for different rpm bands
Now this is a well made video and I'm truly happy I ran into it, thank you for the nice and clear explanations along the way. Also pleasant voice and good sense of humor. For printing PETG to be very clear and transparent I can recommend drying up the spool as much as possible and print at very, very low speeds (around 10mm/s). Prusaresearch has had a nice paper on the topic on their website.
Thank you! I will actually try that next time to see if I can get better results, to make mine better I sanded it very smooth to help reduce the light refraction
Not sure if this would cause the petg to yeild quicker but I wonder if you printer some external threads on the outside of cylinder and some mating internal threads on the caps and then jbwelded that to secure it
In the liner part if you put a spring there is that how you get the benefits of both? Or if you put 2 opposing springs in the oil part then is that good as well?
you can get oils meant for RC car shock absorbers which will give you choice in consistency idk where in America but I get mine from Hearns Hobbies here in Australia, and they ship internationally if you can't find anywhere else
I considered engine oil as it is stable under various temperatures and due to the fact I have some lying around lol, but if I make a second mockup I'll look into a better choice of oil for sure
@@CamdenBowen haha you must leave all puns in the final cut .its the law. I'm extremely SHOCKED that you did not know this, i need to go and DAMPEN my anger now.
As far as I'm concerned Monroe is one of the best companies out there. 500$ for all 4 sounds like a steal too, for my Mazda 2 all the prices I could find for new shocks cross into the 600 - 700$ area lol
I believe they can be made with wicker ir bamboo coils reinforced with wrapped hemp with starch or citric acid adhesive and bamboo rods and machined bamboo threads and parts with bamboo of different diameters, and filled with vegetable oil
@@CamdenBowen demetalification ( furnace energy waste and mining) and deplastification (nanoplastic wasteland) wich is more important right now, i think that wrapped coil mattresses can be made too like that with heat treated wicker or thin bamboo coils Usually you can make a bigger part than with metal, and for example toxic epoxy resin coils are being built right now
Normal shocks have a nitrogen reservoir that is compressed as the piston shaft displaces oil. Yours probably burst because of an overpressure caused when you overfilled the cylinder and there wasn't enough air to be compressed.
I considered having at least a chamber with air in the bottom separated by a floating piston, but was concerned that oil may seep past and fill the bottom volume so I decided against it
@@CamdenBowen That makes sense. Probably would have been fine with just a little more air on top, but those layer lines on FDM 3D prints make such good sheer points that it might have gone eventually anyway. Did you consider just soldering on a standard pipe cap for that end? Anyways, it was a really interesting video and I enjoyed it a lot.
I really like your videos BUT i only have one regret is just that the edit is perfect but your mic clipping so much bro but overall really cool videos/ideas keep it p
2 things i might want to add to the design. 1) use actual suspension oil? ones usually used for front motorcycles forks should be the easiest one to get. 2) for the cap to make it stronger, make the cavity inside the cylinder hemispherical? as since it seems to fail on the edge, why not make it have no edge? if you get what im trying to say. otherwise, cool vid!
Thanks! I didn't have any shock oil lying around but I would use that otherwise, and instead of using a plastic cap next time I will just solder one to the copper to ensure it can withstand much more pressure!
Since I already know how shocks work, I think a very interesting thing to see would be "blown" shocks. I never open up a bad shock to see why its bad I just throw it out. What a mystery.
Camden why doesn’t Tesla add alternators to their electric cars to generate its own power so people don’t have to go and park and recharge the batteries, is there a reason on why it is a bad idea?
Because of how energy transfers and efficiency. An alternator or generator always have losses with their conversion from motion to electricity, not to mention the losses from all the other components. Point is, an alternator would never put back the same amount of energy back into the battery, resulting in a lot of energy loss. Another drawback is that alternators have resistance when put under an electric load, so it would actually make your car slower too, while just being a big energy drain. There is no such thing as free energy unfortunately
new goal of mine, same message, every video i watch. buy a lav mic. mother of god it doesnt even have to be a good one. really cool video though, is your end goal to make a printed RC truck with engine/ clutch/ transmission etc
I wonder how a shock absorber full of ooblek would feel. At small scales it would probably be a terrible shock absorber, but I feel like at full-scale it might work. That is just my assumption based on how I've seen ooblek work before under high pressure; it is like it is incompressible- until suddenly it's not.
Damping not dampening, you're welcome
Literally came to write that.
What's dampening then
@FoxDog1080 dampening is to wet something, damping is to reduce the oscillations
A light spring would help the piston to recover so you don't have to pull it up each time. issue with plastics is they will fail faster than metal parts.
😂
Nice. You can get rid of the internal o-ring and make the piston holes smaller. Also the RC industry has specific oils for shocks that come in different weights/viscosities that would allow for further tuning beyond hole size.
I love where your channel is going! The subjects you cover, your pacing and delivery, it's all just on point. Great job!
Thank you! This feedback means alot!
For oil to use, you can purchase shock oil for rc cars. It comes in all sorts of different weights so that you can tune the damping of the shocks by using thicker or thinner oil. Also if you made it a coilover that would make the hammering faster since you wouldn't have to pull it back up every three hits.
This is crazy. These would be great for some heavy duty RC cars. The shock prices can get really expensive.
These could be done in a parametric way too, so the size of all the parts could be tweaked and adjusted for the application.
You always have great video subjects and now that the editing and flow of the videos is improved i'm really curious to see how fast your subscriber count will climb.
Thank you!
another step closer to 3d printing an entire car...i wonder where this will end! ;)
nice video!
My next video's subject will definitely be of interest to you then!
@@CamdenBowen oh yes it is!
Man I would have never thought to make 3d printed shocks lol!! This is why I dig your channel!
Thank you! Many comments have suggested hydraulic stuff so I figured this was close enough lol
Bro... honestly, I rarely comment but you are amazing!!! The edit, the sound effect, the topic..... keep going bro, you are going places!!!! In one year you will have 10x the subscribers!!
Greetings from Greece!
Thank you so much!
One thing you might also consider is adding a rubber dome with air inside or something inside the shock, since the compressed shock has less internal volume than an extended shock.
I'm not sure it matters much at this scale, however it would be more true to actual shock design. (Thanks superfastmatt for the excellent video on shocks)
This man is slowly building and entire car so he's prototypeing every part
Next video I rival tesla with my 3d printed car
Tru tho
I did not expect a Master Milo shot to pop up in this video.
As a Dutch, that makes me mildly proud.
My favorite automotive destruction channel
This was one of the coolest videos yet
Thank you!
Great video! But just nitpicking, dampening refers to making something damp. Damping refers to lessening the amplitude of a wave, or in this case absorbing energy.
These video get better everytime. I think you should do more in depth explanations of how the thing works, that was my favorite part of this video, get some info graphics 😎. :) good job 😎
Thank you! I often find myself tangenting too much when explain how things work, so I try to keep it short and concise but I will definitely note this!
This is a great demo of hydraulic dynamics honestly. For some reason this reminds me of that myth busters myth where the impact from hitting water with a lot of momentum is just as hard as concrete.
This also makes me think of that project farm channel where he experiments with all types of oils and engines in great detail. He's done a lot of experimentation so if anyone knows which oil is ideal for this purpose it's him.
I on the other hand have no clue lmao but gg another great video Camden!
Thanks! The biggest reason why vegetable oil isn't very good for this is the viscosity changes drastically as the temperature changes, for example at like 3 degrees it becomes almost a grease but at like 30 degrees its nearly as viscos as water. Engine oil or actual shock oil is meant to maintain a fairly consistent viscosity between large temp changes so that is where I will start!
Hammer crane drop, they were busting if you can break the water tension with a hammer before hitting the water from a high fall/dive, thus making the fall survivable, and not like hitting concrete.
@@TheLoiteringKid that’s the myth! Thanks man I had almost forgotten it ahahah
Every hobby rc comes with shocks
Just build an entire car at this point💀 (Great Work!)
next video: 3d printed mazda 2 vs real mazda 2
@@CamdenBowen Are you still working on the 3D printed engine?
+1
@@cohenhill6376 The gas engine? Not really, I am thinking of retiring it for the time being to move onto bigger projects, it's been too much of a hassle and has caused me alot of stress to work on so I think for now I am just focusing my attention in a new direction
Could you not use a non-newtonion fluid (like ooblek) for the shock absorbing?
To take this to a version two and level it up you could do it. Audi does and put metal particles in the oil and use a magnet, the magnet on sucks the particles to the top or the bottom causing the fluid to be less viscous release the magnet particles fall into solution more viscous.
would love to see you make long enough one to replace on a vehicle see if it is noticable
I'm just waiting if this dude just builds an air powered car with full suspension
Amazing video!
Thanks!
Now add some springy shim discs that mask larger secondary oil flow holes, to flatten the speed/resistance curve, like a real suspension damper. Just small holes are used, if you want an exponential speed/resistance damping curve.
I recommend using RC shock oil, it comes in different weights, and you can do a lot of research and compare it to RC shocks.
I bet you could increase the max rpm of an engine with pneumatic shocks for when the pistons are at tdc and bdc so they have a better ability to slow down and you could even have the amount of air in the shocks adjustable for different rpm bands
Too many extremely under rated channels on youtube. Other 3d printer channels dont do half the cool shit you do😂😂
Thank you!
Now this is a well made video and I'm truly happy I ran into it, thank you for the nice and clear explanations along the way. Also pleasant voice and good sense of humor.
For printing PETG to be very clear and transparent I can recommend drying up the spool as much as possible and print at very, very low speeds (around 10mm/s). Prusaresearch has had a nice paper on the topic on their website.
Thank you! I will actually try that next time to see if I can get better results, to make mine better I sanded it very smooth to help reduce the light refraction
Great video :)
Thanks!
great video as always. really like the funnies™
Thank you! Glad the funnies™were appreciated
Not sure if this would cause the petg to yeild quicker but I wonder if you printer some external threads on the outside of cylinder and some mating internal threads on the caps and then jbwelded that to secure it
I think it may work if I threaded/tapped those parts instead and then used JB weld
Make one with tunable bound and rebound
I would recommend using some sort of hydraulic fluid like maybe brake fluid or ATF but awesome vid! Keep up the good work!
yes
please tell me this man will build a big ass fully 3d printed rc car type thing
very cool bru
In the liner part if you put a spring there is that how you get the benefits of both? Or if you put 2 opposing springs in the oil part then is that good as well?
Typically these are paired with a spring, called coil over, in my example I negated the spring since it was less relevant to my experiment
@@CamdenBowen did not know that was what that is called. Thanks!
you can get oils meant for RC car shock absorbers which will give you choice in consistency
idk where in America but I get mine from Hearns Hobbies here in Australia, and they ship internationally if you can't find anywhere else
I considered engine oil as it is stable under various temperatures and due to the fact I have some lying around lol, but if I make a second mockup I'll look into a better choice of oil for sure
this was SHOCKINGLY entertaining
I had written down a shock related pun and ended up just cutting it from the video lol
@@CamdenBowen haha you must leave all puns in the final cut .its the law. I'm extremely SHOCKED that you did not know this, i need to go and DAMPEN my anger now.
Im going with new struts for my 99 corrolla are monroe's any good? There like $500 for all 4 coners on rock auto
As far as I'm concerned Monroe is one of the best companies out there. 500$ for all 4 sounds like a steal too, for my Mazda 2 all the prices I could find for new shocks cross into the 600 - 700$ area lol
I think your print would be stronger if you printed on its side, so the layers run from top to bottom, instead of left to right
how long would it take for fuel to eat through a 3d printed gas tank?
I believe they can be made with wicker ir bamboo coils reinforced with wrapped hemp with starch or citric acid adhesive and bamboo rods and machined bamboo threads and parts with bamboo of different diameters, and filled with vegetable oil
decolonizing the shock absorber
@@CamdenBowen demetalification ( furnace energy waste and mining) and deplastification (nanoplastic wasteland) wich is more important right now, i think that wrapped coil mattresses can be made too like that with heat treated wicker or thin bamboo coils
Usually you can make a bigger part than with metal, and for example toxic epoxy resin coils are being built right now
You...hat all the parts finished 😮
Normal shocks have a nitrogen reservoir that is compressed as the piston shaft displaces oil. Yours probably burst because of an overpressure caused when you overfilled the cylinder and there wasn't enough air to be compressed.
I considered having at least a chamber with air in the bottom separated by a floating piston, but was concerned that oil may seep past and fill the bottom volume so I decided against it
@@CamdenBowen That makes sense. Probably would have been fine with just a little more air on top, but those layer lines on FDM 3D prints make such good sheer points that it might have gone eventually anyway. Did you consider just soldering on a standard pipe cap for that end?
Anyways, it was a really interesting video and I enjoyed it a lot.
Are these files available anywhere?
make a 3d printed impact wrench
You should try making coil overs
ok i will test on my mtb for 1 month thx
Use ATF or floor jack oil.
Thinking about it, what if shock absorber was fulled with non neutonian liquid?
It would probably not be a very good shock absorber then 😂
Actually, oil can be compressed a little bit
I think you making engine parts like that , the cvt , the engine
In regards to oil.. hydrolic fluid is less compressible then engine oil. Think dot3, dot4 or break fluid.
Ive seen 3d printed shocks using 3d printed springs too before
I have seen people make replica ones, but I haven't seen anybody build a functional one yet
NIIIIIIICE
I really like your videos BUT i only have one regret is just that the edit is perfect but your mic clipping so much bro but overall really cool videos/ideas keep it p
maglev (no mechanical springs) + air shock
magnet discs/rings can be the air shock pistons, opposite in the same copper tube, eddy current is an additional shock absorption method included
I waited 1 month after this was posted to subscribe and now I can barely type this because my fingernails are so long 😢
4:33 can confirm. the shocks on my parents' truck rusted out, and every time we went over a bump, our seat was shoved up our ass.
4:40 should have been uncle bucks car for the example.
Could it have maybe just been heating up from your hand holding it?
Possibly, but I noticed it was considerably warmer so it could have been from both holding it was wel
Very nice video! Only suggestion would be to watch the audio for clipping. It is a bit distracting and detracts from the awesome subject.
Thank you! This was shortly after I tried a new audio setup so I still need to dial it in better
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Add more compressors
2 things i might want to add to the design.
1) use actual suspension oil? ones usually used for front motorcycles forks should be the easiest one to get.
2) for the cap to make it stronger, make the cavity inside the cylinder hemispherical? as since it seems to fail on the edge, why not make it have no edge? if you get what im trying to say.
otherwise, cool vid!
Thanks! I didn't have any shock oil lying around but I would use that otherwise, and instead of using a plastic cap next time I will just solder one to the copper to ensure it can withstand much more pressure!
Make a whole 3d printed vehicle
Make a adjustable shock
and thats what springs are for is to hold the car up pretty much
It jusr feels like your building a rc car at this point
Maybe one day lmao
At this rate you should just 3d print a whole car
3d printing a better car than Telsa effortlessly and without mercy
so shock absorers actually work nice
Since I already know how shocks work, I think a very interesting thing to see would be "blown" shocks. I never open up a bad shock to see why its bad I just throw it out. What a mystery.
Camden why doesn’t Tesla add alternators to their electric cars to generate its own power so people don’t have to go and park and recharge the batteries, is there a reason on why it is a bad idea?
Because of how energy transfers and efficiency. An alternator or generator always have losses with their conversion from motion to electricity, not to mention the losses from all the other components. Point is, an alternator would never put back the same amount of energy back into the battery, resulting in a lot of energy loss. Another drawback is that alternators have resistance when put under an electric load, so it would actually make your car slower too, while just being a big energy drain. There is no such thing as free energy unfortunately
Damping
I believe that Dampening is the word for making something wet. You're looking for Damping.
I dampened the floor at the end of a video, does that count lol
new goal of mine, same message, every video i watch. buy a lav mic. mother of god it doesnt even have to be a good one. really cool video though, is your end goal to make a printed RC truck with engine/ clutch/ transmission etc
So i dont have to cut my nails if im subscribed to here? Cool.
that's ONLY if you're subscribed
Bro included master milo 🍷🗿🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱
Love that guy
use rc car shock oil
NO. The effect is called _DAMPING._ Dampening is making something wet.
I wonder how a shock absorber full of ooblek would feel. At small scales it would probably be a terrible shock absorber, but I feel like at full-scale it might work. That is just my assumption based on how I've seen ooblek work before under high pressure; it is like it is incompressible- until suddenly it's not.
I like that idea!
Now build an engine or a motor using 3d Printing and then put it into a RC Car
New hair?
I swear it looks better than it did in the video 💀
@@CamdenBowen it’s fire dw 🔥🔥
3:52 the word is Damping, a Damper reduces motion, to dampen is to make slightly wet.
next video i tested a 3d printed car
I am the one-thousandth view. :) Nice.
Thank you for being the threshold between triple and quadruple digit view figures
Use proper oil then says engine oil umm how about shock oil?!?!?!
You made a damper not a shock absorber. Shocks have gas charge in them.
Next video: I made a working car suspencion .
4:00 - Technically oil is compressible. But the compression is extremely low, almost imposible to measure it.
You should've used ketchup
McDonald's secret sauce shock absorber
Fix your microphone
Are you ducht?
No, I am actually from Ontario Canada
Your gonna need a better printer to try the FDM Metal materials
please fix your mic, the spazzing is driving me insane
I agree, the levels seemed fine during the filming but in post is when it really shows, I'll need to change some settings