They went from two guitars down to one just before their album King of Everything which did change a lot. King of Everything has the original version of Pisces on it. Dmitry Kim who played drums on King of Everything left the band because he wasn't able to tour with them. That is when Vlad came on and they did the live session version. Vlad has done a lot of composing for them since so that also changed the sound. Tatiana's voice has also changed a lot over that time. She's said in multiple interviews that she would take a break and when she came back she had to re-learn her harsh vocals and they would always sound slightly different. For fans who have heard the entire discography it's like picking a fine wine. Do you like the 2009 vintage, 2012, 2015/16, 2018/19, 2021, or 2022 to present? The wild thing is that all of them are good and could have been her sound all along. It reminds me of a line in a Lethal Weapon movie. Tatiana has forgotten more about harsh vocals than most people ever learn. On top of that she used to sing cleans with more grit in the early vintages but started to clean it up once she got to King of Everything I guess just because she felt like it. Every once in a while she does the vocal grit/fry and you hear 2009 Tati peeking out to say "I'm still here". To hear the vocal coaches who have reacted to Jinjer tell it she uses false chord for the growls but mixes primary chords in here and there and then the screams are maybe mostly fry but the range is so wide who knows and she isn't the kind who thinks about it in a technical sense so she couldn't tell you either. Tatiana is one of those artists who doesn't listen/watch her own stuff. Just like actors who don't watch their own movies. She did a video for Revolver Magazine called "Man or Beast" where they tried to stump her on whether she could tell if a vocal in a metal song was human or an animal dubbed in. They played the band's song Vortex for her and at the point that she recognized it she said she recognized it because of the music not the vocal because she said the voice was "a little bit changed". I laughed when I saw that because it actually wasn't. that's how she does it live but even she didn't know her own recorded growl. Because of course when you sing/growl you hear it vibrate in your head and if she doesn't hear the recording she's going to think Max their engineer did something to it. He didn't. Another good watch is the Jinjer | Audiotree From Nothing video just recently posted. They talk about the bands history, songwriting and friendships and also play a live session of three songs.
That sounds like a really interesting video to watch! I remember seeing the man or beast trend when it was around and I never did watch them haha. Thanks for the history on the band! Really cool to learn all this stuff. Welcome to the channel and to our family
Their compositions from King of Everything back seem to me to be more guitar riff-oriented, whereas from Micro on, they seem to be more oriented toward rhythmic complexity with the guitars being more toward chugginess with noodly ornamentation. I wonder if the greater orientation toward guitar riffs was Dmitriy Oksen's influence. I'm sure that the increasing rhythmic complexity is Vlad's influence. I love all of Tatiana's singing from Cloud Factory on (as well as *most* of her pre-Cloud Factory singing), but I'd be very much in favour of hearing a little more of her "metal chick" distorted cleans as well as more of her velvety jazzy cleans.
I have heard Jinjer's music before Tatiana was their singer and it's not very different from their early stuff with her as the singer. Maybe a little more grindcore thrown in at times. Their merch girl Jane is actually married to their original singer and has been around since the beginning making her the currently only original member of Jinjer besides Max Morton their producer, though not as a musician.
The guitar centric stuff started out being inspired by Dmitry Oksen but Roman technically became their lead guitarist and main songwriter after joining the band for a while and his songs were driven by guitar and drums. Now the songs are driven more by bass and drums where Roman does more things in a textural context now - the band has said that only having one guitarist is why they sound the way they do now because they're having to fill so much space that used to be filled with guitars and vocals with other sounds
The rhythmic stuff and songwriting style now definitely is Vlad's influence but the band was heading in that direction anyway after a certain point. Their older stuff is good but is definitely indicative of music written by a much younger group. People complain about their sound now and say they need the second guitarist, but I think it would be cheesy in not a good way for a band of people nearing their 40's to be making music like they're still teenagers and young adults coming out of college
That drummer, Vlad, also composed the music. He is a conservatory classically trained pianist since he was a child. Now he moonlights as a drummer. Notice this is a "through" composition? 🤘🔥 💙💛
@@TempleMusicAcademy - And it'll blow your mind even more if I told you that he composes on guitar (he was a guitarist before he became a drummer) and not on the drums or the piano!
Guy literally learned drums to play them for another band he was in named Zlam. Vlad has only been playing drums for a few years hahah. He doesn't even consider himself a drummer and he's one of the most interesting ones around these days
thanx for your complex reaction of this song! IMO Jinjer doing Jinjer things and that is the reason why there is a new musical genre for me as a musician > "Jinjer music genre". I have been a music lover for over 50 years and a musician for a long time, and this band is on a completely different musical level for me............ Maybe you can improve some of the music video sound, it's not the best, slightly distorted etc... your mic sound is good! warm greetings from germany
Thanks so much for watching! I’m trying out a new setup and the reaction game is mutilated by copyright strikes. I don’t even know what happened with the music in the video… it’s madness haha. I shall persevere !
Jinjer even calls themselves prog - go to their site lol, but if you actually listen to them, they are 100% prog lol. You even replied that it was proggy
@@timgoertzen6701 They are prog in the sense that the songs incorporate a lot of changes but they are very different from, say, Led Zep or ELP or Yes, true prog (and only prog - well Zep had a lot of blues influence) bands - they are core metal, and that is not my designation but that of a lot of people
Jinjer is djent, but in their own class. And Vlad is a superb drummer, were drums are not his first instrument! And if you love drums, and you are not familiar with the legendary French band Magma, you have a whole new world to explore. Christian Vander is astonishing.
@@TempleMusicAcademy here is an easy introduction to their music. This is their song zombies, which is one of the short ones at just over eight minutes. Their master works are more than 30 minutes long and include Kohntarkosz and Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh. ruclips.net/video/-__nJgsLgAU/видео.htmlsi=9yMSnyRAg6T9jDsy
@@TempleMusicAcademy Sorry it has taken me so long to see this. But here is a good introduction to Magma, a shorter, less intense song (!). Christian Vander usually works in longer form, such as the 32-minute masterpiece Kohntarkosz. But this is Zombies: ruclips.net/video/-__nJgsLgAU/видео.html
Cleopatra, Marie Curie, Joan of Arc, Frida Kahlo Jinjer - Audiotree From Nothing (Live Performance) Jinjer - Call Me A Symbol (Official Live in LA) Jinjer - On The Top (Bloodstock 2022)
I have two headless basses, and I don't think it affects the tone much. What it does do is give you a more balanced instrument. Eugene here is playing 5 string, so he probably has a 35-37" scale on the lowest string. In a traditional design you would add a 6-7 inch headstock on. It causes neck dive and is unwieldy in the studio. A headless balances better, and the tuners are much more precise. So headless I feel is more for ergonomics. I don't think Eugene cares about looking cool.
@@TempleMusicAcademy In Teacher Teacher he makes this really dissonant tone - he's crazy good. I think though all the oxygen gets used up by Tatiana and Vlad on drums, and rightfully so.
I couldn't find out if you ever reacted to Tommy Johansson, a Swedish metal singer with an incredible voice. Please try his She's Gone and you will be surprised! 😉 Hi, from Germany.
You can call them prog or djent. They aren't metalcore. They are Jinjer. Quick note, your bass is clipping on the playback. It's coming through flat and muddy. Awesome reaction though, and really appreciate your insight!
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They went from two guitars down to one just before their album King of Everything which did change a lot. King of Everything has the original version of Pisces on it. Dmitry Kim who played drums on King of Everything left the band because he wasn't able to tour with them. That is when Vlad came on and they did the live session version. Vlad has done a lot of composing for them since so that also changed the sound.
Tatiana's voice has also changed a lot over that time. She's said in multiple interviews that she would take a break and when she came back she had to re-learn her harsh vocals and they would always sound slightly different. For fans who have heard the entire discography it's like picking a fine wine. Do you like the 2009 vintage, 2012, 2015/16, 2018/19, 2021, or 2022 to present? The wild thing is that all of them are good and could have been her sound all along. It reminds me of a line in a Lethal Weapon movie. Tatiana has forgotten more about harsh vocals than most people ever learn.
On top of that she used to sing cleans with more grit in the early vintages but started to clean it up once she got to King of Everything I guess just because she felt like it. Every once in a while she does the vocal grit/fry and you hear 2009 Tati peeking out to say "I'm still here". To hear the vocal coaches who have reacted to Jinjer tell it she uses false chord for the growls but mixes primary chords in here and there and then the screams are maybe mostly fry but the range is so wide who knows and she isn't the kind who thinks about it in a technical sense so she couldn't tell you either.
Tatiana is one of those artists who doesn't listen/watch her own stuff. Just like actors who don't watch their own movies. She did a video for Revolver Magazine called "Man or Beast" where they tried to stump her on whether she could tell if a vocal in a metal song was human or an animal dubbed in. They played the band's song Vortex for her and at the point that she recognized it she said she recognized it because of the music not the vocal because she said the voice was "a little bit changed". I laughed when I saw that because it actually wasn't. that's how she does it live but even she didn't know her own recorded growl. Because of course when you sing/growl you hear it vibrate in your head and if she doesn't hear the recording she's going to think Max their engineer did something to it. He didn't.
Another good watch is the Jinjer | Audiotree From Nothing video just recently posted. They talk about the bands history, songwriting and friendships and also play a live session of three songs.
That sounds like a really interesting video to watch!
I remember seeing the man or beast trend when it was around and I never did watch them haha. Thanks for the history on the band! Really cool to learn all this stuff. Welcome to the channel and to our family
Their compositions from King of Everything back seem to me to be more guitar riff-oriented, whereas from Micro on, they seem to be more oriented toward rhythmic complexity with the guitars being more toward chugginess with noodly ornamentation. I wonder if the greater orientation toward guitar riffs was Dmitriy Oksen's influence. I'm sure that the increasing rhythmic complexity is Vlad's influence.
I love all of Tatiana's singing from Cloud Factory on (as well as *most* of her pre-Cloud Factory singing), but I'd be very much in favour of hearing a little more of her "metal chick" distorted cleans as well as more of her velvety jazzy cleans.
I have heard Jinjer's music before Tatiana was their singer and it's not very different from their early stuff with her as the singer. Maybe a little more grindcore thrown in at times. Their merch girl Jane is actually married to their original singer and has been around since the beginning making her the currently only original member of Jinjer besides Max Morton their producer, though not as a musician.
The guitar centric stuff started out being inspired by Dmitry Oksen but Roman technically became their lead guitarist and main songwriter after joining the band for a while and his songs were driven by guitar and drums. Now the songs are driven more by bass and drums where Roman does more things in a textural context now - the band has said that only having one guitarist is why they sound the way they do now because they're having to fill so much space that used to be filled with guitars and vocals with other sounds
The rhythmic stuff and songwriting style now definitely is Vlad's influence but the band was heading in that direction anyway after a certain point. Their older stuff is good but is definitely indicative of music written by a much younger group. People complain about their sound now and say they need the second guitarist, but I think it would be cheesy in not a good way for a band of people nearing their 40's to be making music like they're still teenagers and young adults coming out of college
They're Jinjer,their own category!🤘🤘🤘
No kidding. This band rules hard
Exactly! Well said 😎🤘🏽
“Jinjer Genre”
First time listening to this song, I must say their sound hasn't changed(which is a great thing for a Metal band.)
That drummer, Vlad, also composed the music. He is a conservatory classically trained pianist since he was a child. Now he moonlights as a drummer. Notice this is a "through" composition? 🤘🔥 💙💛
Moonlights as a drummer lol. All this while being that damn good at it. Yeesh!
@@TempleMusicAcademy - And it'll blow your mind even more if I told you that he composes on guitar (he was a guitarist before he became a drummer) and not on the drums or the piano!
Guy literally learned drums to play them for another band he was in named Zlam. Vlad has only been playing drums for a few years hahah. He doesn't even consider himself a drummer and he's one of the most interesting ones around these days
thanx for your complex reaction of this song!
IMO Jinjer doing Jinjer things and that is the reason why there is a new musical genre for me as a musician > "Jinjer music genre".
I have been a music lover for over 50 years and a musician for a long time, and this band is on a completely different musical level for me............
Maybe you can improve some of the music video sound, it's not the best, slightly distorted etc... your mic sound is good!
warm greetings from germany
Thanks so much for watching! I’m trying out a new setup and the reaction game is mutilated by copyright strikes. I don’t even know what happened with the music in the video… it’s madness haha. I shall persevere !
Fantastic performance. Especially those guitarists. The Warning and Band Maid recently did a collaboration.
I saw! Just might add that next time
Jinjer is a core metal band - it is not prog but the textures are so complex - it is fascinating
Very very impressive stuff no matter what we call it haha.
@@TempleMusicAcademy Indeed! Fantastic work on this song! For hard rock i it is kinda proggy but I am used to Led Zep, ELP. and Yes
Jinjer even calls themselves prog - go to their site lol, but if you actually listen to them, they are 100% prog lol. You even replied that it was proggy
@@timgoertzen6701 They are prog in the sense that the songs incorporate a lot of changes but they are very different from, say, Led Zep or ELP or Yes, true prog (and only prog - well Zep had a lot of blues influence) bands - they are core metal, and that is not my designation but that of a lot of people
Vladi is hands down the most MUSICAL drummer in metal. And i dont talk in absolutes lightly. Cept danny carrey
That’s a very fair statement and I agree about Danny Carey for sure. How about Matt Gartska? I’d argue he’s my fav right now.
Jinjer is djent, but in their own class. And Vlad is a superb drummer, were drums are not his first instrument! And if you love drums, and you are not familiar with the legendary French band Magma, you have a whole new world to explore. Christian Vander is astonishing.
Whole new world? Colour me intrigued!
@@TempleMusicAcademy here is an easy introduction to their music. This is their song zombies, which is one of the short ones at just over eight minutes. Their master works are more than 30 minutes long and include Kohntarkosz and Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandoh. ruclips.net/video/-__nJgsLgAU/видео.htmlsi=9yMSnyRAg6T9jDsy
@@TempleMusicAcademy Sorry it has taken me so long to see this. But here is a good introduction to Magma, a shorter, less intense song (!). Christian Vander usually works in longer form, such as the 32-minute masterpiece Kohntarkosz. But this is Zombies: ruclips.net/video/-__nJgsLgAU/видео.html
Cleopatra, Marie Curie, Joan of Arc, Frida Kahlo
Jinjer - Audiotree From Nothing (Live Performance)
Jinjer - Call Me A Symbol (Official Live in LA)
Jinjer - On The Top (Bloodstock 2022)
At 10:39 the video jumps forward and skips a lot of the track
I have two headless basses, and I don't think it affects the tone much. What it does do is give you a more balanced instrument. Eugene here is playing 5 string, so he probably has a 35-37" scale on the lowest string. In a traditional design you would add a 6-7 inch headstock on. It causes neck dive and is unwieldy in the studio. A headless balances better, and the tuners are much more precise. So headless I feel is more for ergonomics. I don't think Eugene cares about looking cool.
I gathered that from watching him. His playing is fantastic for sure and the lines he comes up with are just tasty as all hell.
@@TempleMusicAcademy In Teacher Teacher he makes this really dissonant tone - he's crazy good. I think though all the oxygen gets used up by Tatiana and Vlad on drums, and rightfully so.
Cool Reaction!🤘🤘
Thanks!
I couldn't find out if you ever reacted to Tommy Johansson, a Swedish metal singer with an incredible voice. Please try his She's Gone and you will be surprised! 😉
Hi, from Germany.
I think I have during our Christmas special. Bu thanks for the tip! Hello from Canada 🇨🇦 and welcome to our family
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What? www? How many years has it been that you don't say it?
I said what I said.
You can call them prog or djent. They aren't metalcore. They are Jinjer. Quick note, your bass is clipping on the playback. It's coming through flat and muddy. Awesome reaction though, and really appreciate your insight!
Thanks brother! This video was me trying to sort out the EQ settings. Getting better every time ❤️
I would really like your opinion on beyond creation with their song earthborn evolution all 4 guys are ridiculous musicans
Oh that is a killer idea!
« Music teacher » temple music academy 😂 I struggle so much with genre… this guy’s a joke
Well that’s just hurtful and unnecessary
You have jumped good part of the song... you've lost part of the song...