Important detail missing here is the indexing O-ring removal, not sure if that will lead to inconsistent results with the Zero modular shell holder system. The Zero press comes with the horseshoe clip (as seen in the video) that sits just above an indexing O-ring, which is meant to hold traditional shell holders. When using the Zero modular shell holder system, it comes with its shell holder base fitted to be inserted in the ram, the horseshoe clip and the indexing O-ring are both to be removed when using the Modular Shell Holder System. In this video it wasn't visible that the indexing O-ring was removed as part of the install process.
Can confirm, this O-ring needs to be removed. I was getting inconsistency using a SAC resizing die and couldn't figure out why until I removed the shell holder and found I left the O-ring in. Removed it and inconsistency dissappeared.
I got mine the other day. What an improvement over my old Redding Competition Set. Throw in the .001 shims from my SAC dies and my bump is beyond precise. I sort brass as it gets fireformed (a small amount just grows and sizes different) - throw this in the mix and my headspace is beyond consistent.
@@ralphproudfoot620 I have friends that love theirs too - mine was just not so consistent. I had to get a few sets to mix and match to get close to the stated differences. It is such a great way to size though.
@@sf2189 Same here. The Redding are great if they all are accurate. Unfortunately it took almost 3/4 of the price of the A419 to get a set together that worked (and that's just for .308 based cases). Ended up selling them and just getting the A419, which conveniently works for .223, .308, and Magnum based cartridges.
The advantage is being able to bottom die out but NOT over bump. You should have used the plus 2 to bump the max then use the negative ones. You should not have expected a delta of 6 as you only bumped 3.5 with the 0 spacer. With the plus two the bump should be close to 5-6 then you could put in the minus 2 and see if bump is decreased by 4.
As a big Area419 fun, I have bought almost all their reloading stuff and I have to say this product is the last piece you should buy among their other awesome stuff. It's a bad product by design. Changing the thickness of the insert but keep the same cap will limit the usage of this tool to certain brand brass. For example, my Nosler 223 brass work fine but most other 223/556 brass will not land on the insert if +6 or +8 is used. The brass will be hanging by the cap at the ejector grove and will not even be able to insert into dies. The case will be damaged if keep using it. I reload 223, 308win, 6.5 cr so I can use 3 of the 4 caps provided. Unfortunately, with full contact of the die bottom and the ramp (as suggested by the introduction video), NONE of them will be able to give a 0.002'' shoulder bump with the thinnest insert (+8). They all still got oversized (Redding, RCBS, SAC dies). I still have to back up the die to achieve my ideal shoulder bump. This might be just my rifles creating too much expansion. But as other mentioned, Redding makes similar function shell holders and their design is better because it won't damage the brass with thinner holder, and they don't need you to keep screw the cap on and off to switch, let along they're 1/3 of the price. But there are still two reasons makes me keep this piece. First it makes adjusting shoulder bump easier. Second is it just looks nice siting among other Area419 stuff.
I told my gunsmith about this kit and he showed me the Redding set. And here in Australia it’s over half the price of the area 419 and your not messing about with shims.
A decade ago I got the Redding competition shell holder set. It accomplishes this same thing, but I would expect the 419 to be a lot nicer! Thanks for the info!
I have the Redding set too, The Redding's are far cheaper, do the exact same thing and arn't specific to a particular press.... in my eyes that makes the Redding far nicer that the 419s
Your math appears to be off. With the +0 shim, you are getting the amount of resizing inherent to the combination of your die setup and your fire formed brass, which you measured to be a DECREASE in headspace of -3.5. By adding a +6 shim, you are INCREASING headspace by UP TO +6 relative to your die’s baseline. But importantly, headspace can never grow above that of your fire formed brass, i.e., no resizing at all. Your die was inherently sizing -3.5, so you had only a theoretical maximum of +3.5 to gain relative to the +0 shim before you are simply back at the size of your fire formed brass and are not resizing headspace at all. So even in theory, a +4 shim, +6 shim, and +8 shim should all yield the same result for you - no headspace resizing at all - because all are more than the -3.5 resizing inherent to your die setup. So assuming your -3.5 measurement for the +0 shim was correct, here are the measurements you should theoretically observe: -2 shim: -5.5 headspace +0 shim: -3.5 headspace +2 shim: -1.5 headspace +4 shim: -0 headspace +6 shim: -0 headspace +8 shim: -0 headspace Ultimately, I suspect your measured -0.5 for the +6 shim was actually a 0 measurement, and your caliper and/or hands were just inaccurate by -0.5.
All things Zero! When you do things right and well, apologies are unneeded. Consistency, repeatability must remain, no exceptions tolerated. Your accuracy depends on you when you have cut out the variables. I believe in the Zero press.
For one style shell holder……. this does it for three shell holders and probably future shell holders that they release. So instead of buying $60-70 sets all you need is probably a $20 shell holder from them.
I don't see how it can make a difference from the regular way of doing it. But anything that says area 419 people with stand in line to give away there money for.
Gavin, did you mention the Redding Competition Shell Holder Set? You know the set that does the exact same thing but universally fits all presses including the Area 419 press or were you paid by Area 419 not to?
I'm confused. The +/-0 setting bumped the shoulder -3.5 thou and the +6 setting bumped it -0.5 thousandths. Was the initial zero measurement prior to bumping?
It’s ok Gavin is confused too, because that’s not how this works. If you set your sizer to bump 4 thou with the 0 shim, you’d get 2 thou bump with the +2 shim, 0 bump with the +4 shim and the same with the +6 shim.
Or........... you could adjust your current size die an 8th of a turn. Somehow, people were making quality ammo and winning matches years before Area 419 started selling trinkets.
I was thinking the same thing. Sometimes, aerospace engineering finds it's way into my feed under reloading. I'm happy with my RCBS and Redding die sets to get me to ring steel at 1K yds. I can understand having the latest Area419 products...my wallet will disagree with me :)
Why didn't you show how much difference in sized and fired and loaded brass maby show how the dies are for headspace with that system you could a just to the point of a thousands crush or even a half that but no set back at all then only the bullet jump would have any effect
Direct order is working very well. With UPS within a week!!! But this service is not cheap... You can have a look also at Brownells, they have also a number of Area 419 parts
Important detail missing here is the indexing O-ring removal, not sure if that will lead to inconsistent results with the Zero modular shell holder system. The Zero press comes with the horseshoe clip (as seen in the video) that sits just above an indexing O-ring, which is meant to hold traditional shell holders. When using the Zero modular shell holder system, it comes with its shell holder base fitted to be inserted in the ram, the horseshoe clip and the indexing O-ring are both to be removed when using the Modular Shell Holder System. In this video it wasn't visible that the indexing O-ring was removed as part of the install process.
Can confirm, this O-ring needs to be removed. I was getting inconsistency using a SAC resizing die and couldn't figure out why until I removed the shell holder and found I left the O-ring in. Removed it and inconsistency dissappeared.
I got mine the other day. What an improvement over my old Redding Competition Set. Throw in the .001 shims from my SAC dies and my bump is beyond precise. I sort brass as it gets fireformed (a small amount just grows and sizes different) - throw this in the mix and my headspace is beyond consistent.
I have both and I find I use the Redding more I must say I love my press tho
@@ralphproudfoot620 I have friends that love theirs too - mine was just not so consistent. I had to get a few sets to mix and match to get close to the stated differences. It is such a great way to size though.
@@sf2189 Same here. The Redding are great if they all are accurate. Unfortunately it took almost 3/4 of the price of the A419 to get a set together that worked (and that's just for .308 based cases). Ended up selling them and just getting the A419, which conveniently works for .223, .308, and Magnum based cartridges.
I'm going to give Gavin a appreciation clap because he is the most consistent RUclipsr at uploading videos of everyone I'm subscribed to.👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Redding competition she’ll holder set been doing this for years. And works in any press.
Just got my zero press last week. Loaded up some 6.5 prc. This kit is next on my list!
Got the Zero and Shell holder system, works great 😁
Thank you for making a more in-depth video on this new system
The advantage is being able to bottom die out but NOT over bump.
You should have used the plus 2 to bump the max then use the negative ones. You should not have expected a delta of 6 as you only bumped 3.5 with the 0 spacer.
With the plus two the bump should be close to 5-6 then you could put in the minus 2 and see if bump is decreased by 4.
Between you and Impact Shooting, I'm going to drop a lot of coin on Area 419 Zero Press and accessories.
As a big Area419 fun, I have bought almost all their reloading stuff and I have to say this product is the last piece you should buy among their other awesome stuff. It's a bad product by design. Changing the thickness of the insert but keep the same cap will limit the usage of this tool to certain brand brass. For example, my Nosler 223 brass work fine but most other 223/556 brass will not land on the insert if +6 or +8 is used. The brass will be hanging by the cap at the ejector grove and will not even be able to insert into dies. The case will be damaged if keep using it. I reload 223, 308win, 6.5 cr so I can use 3 of the 4 caps provided. Unfortunately, with full contact of the die bottom and the ramp (as suggested by the introduction video), NONE of them will be able to give a 0.002'' shoulder bump with the thinnest insert (+8). They all still got oversized (Redding, RCBS, SAC dies). I still have to back up the die to achieve my ideal shoulder bump. This might be just my rifles creating too much expansion. But as other mentioned, Redding makes similar function shell holders and their design is better because it won't damage the brass with thinner holder, and they don't need you to keep screw the cap on and off to switch, let along they're 1/3 of the price. But there are still two reasons makes me keep this piece. First it makes adjusting shoulder bump easier. Second is it just looks nice siting among other Area419 stuff.
I told my gunsmith about this kit and he showed me the Redding set. And here in Australia it’s over half the price of the area 419 and your not messing about with shims.
Yeah, but if you measure them, you’ll find they are all over the place in regards to tolerances.
But the redding covers only one caliber though
A decade ago I got the Redding competition shell holder set. It accomplishes this same thing, but I would expect the 419 to be a lot nicer! Thanks for the info!
I have the Redding set too, The Redding's are far cheaper, do the exact same thing and arn't specific to a particular press.... in my eyes that makes the Redding far nicer that the 419s
Your math appears to be off.
With the +0 shim, you are getting the amount of resizing inherent to the combination of your die setup and your fire formed brass, which you measured to be a DECREASE in headspace of -3.5.
By adding a +6 shim, you are INCREASING headspace by UP TO +6 relative to your die’s baseline.
But importantly, headspace can never grow above that of your fire formed brass, i.e., no resizing at all. Your die was inherently sizing -3.5, so you had only a theoretical maximum of +3.5 to gain relative to the +0 shim before you are simply back at the size of your fire formed brass and are not resizing headspace at all. So even in theory, a +4 shim, +6 shim, and +8 shim should all yield the same result for you - no headspace resizing at all - because all are more than the -3.5 resizing inherent to your die setup.
So assuming your -3.5 measurement for the +0 shim was correct, here are the measurements you should theoretically observe:
-2 shim: -5.5 headspace
+0 shim: -3.5 headspace
+2 shim: -1.5 headspace
+4 shim: -0 headspace
+6 shim: -0 headspace
+8 shim: -0 headspace
Ultimately, I suspect your measured -0.5 for the +6 shim was actually a 0 measurement, and your caliper and/or hands were just inaccurate by -0.5.
I am about Zero seconds away from ordering a Zero.
All things Zero! When you do things right and well, apologies are unneeded. Consistency, repeatability must remain, no exceptions tolerated. Your accuracy depends on you when you have cut out the variables. I believe in the Zero press.
Are you still going to do the progressive press shoot out?? Good luck Travis! Nice job on the videos guys!
Saves me turning down case holders.
The Redding Competition Shellholder set does the same thing for one-third the price
For one style shell holder…….
this does it for three shell holders and probably future shell holders that they release. So instead of buying $60-70 sets all you need is probably a $20 shell holder from them.
I don't see how it can make a difference from the regular way of doing it. But anything that says area 419 people with stand in line to give away there money for.
Gavin, did you mention the Redding Competition Shell Holder Set? You know the set that does the exact same thing but universally fits all presses including the Area 419 press or were you paid by Area 419 not to?
Cool product, but I don't understand why it's a thing. I've always set my shoulder bump by adjusting my die and I get consistent results...?
I'm confused. The +/-0 setting bumped the shoulder -3.5 thou and the +6 setting bumped it -0.5 thousandths. Was the initial zero measurement prior to bumping?
It’s ok Gavin is confused too, because that’s not how this works. If you set your sizer to bump 4 thou with the 0 shim, you’d get 2 thou bump with the +2 shim, 0 bump with the +4 shim and the same with the +6 shim.
Exactly! I tried to say the same thing above. You did it much better !
How can I engrave or etch on a shell holder so I know what caliber its for?
Como é o nome desse acessório para medir o estojo no paquímetros?
I did get a zero as a result
Or........... you could adjust your current size die an 8th of a turn. Somehow, people were making quality ammo and winning matches years before Area 419 started selling trinkets.
I was thinking the same thing. Sometimes, aerospace engineering finds it's way into my feed under reloading. I'm happy with my RCBS and Redding die sets to get me to ring steel at 1K yds. I can understand having the latest Area419 products...my wallet will disagree with me :)
Why didn't you show how much difference in sized and fired and loaded brass maby show how the dies are for headspace with that system you could a just to the point of a thousands crush or even a half that but no set back at all then only the bullet jump would have any effect
All through the clip you're callinh it area 409. It's area 419.
None of this matter if the bottom of the dies are not cut square
Ik love area 419 but IT is not avaleble in Europa Holland
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You can order direct
@@Russell-1 ok hope so much Then i try again at 419 site
Direct order is working very well. With UPS within a week!!! But this service is not cheap... You can have a look also at Brownells, they have also a number of Area 419 parts
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