You posted a really good video. I know you made a mistake with the spring popping the piston out, but all of us have done that sort of thing as we work on our cars ourselves. Thank you so much for posting this video. I have to do my 2012 civic shoes and my setup will be almost identical to yours.
This is the perfect method I was looking for. Alot of people go for the top spring first, risking popping off the cylinder towards the right and putting air into the system. Thanks!
You made your life a lot harder with installing the top spring last! When putting on the forward shoe after attaching the rear shoe with the ebrake lever and setting the adjuster into place, attach the top spring and initially use your thumb to apply holding pressure to the cylinder as you pull on the shoe and spring, first and foremost getting the top of the front shoe rotated into the cylinder slot. Once that is seated, control over the wheel cylinder becomes so much easier as you align the front shoe on the backplate. Doing it this way also allows you to connect the bottom spring when the front shoe still has some play which makes an easier job as well. doing it this way simply uses the forces at play to your advantage rather than forcing yourself to pull against the spring's linear axis of maximum resistance. After reading a repair book (not a main one, one written by some random mechanic that has so many great tips for the home DIYer. I only have pages left that a friend gave me, and I don't know the title), it made so much sense. I didn't have a single issue and I have never touched drum brakes in my life!
Great video, two things thanks for the tie wrap around the assembly this helps when trying to installing the long spring it keep everything together, and nothing for the parking brake I used my vise to gently hold down the brake shoe and remove and installed the new shoe.👌🏾💪🏾👏🏾👍🏾🤔👨🏾🔧🇯🇲🇨🇦.
Nice video. I do my reassembly in a different order, and I use a wheel cylinder clamp to keep the pistons from popping out. I hate pulling springs, so I put the tops of the shoes together first with the top spring, and then pull them apart to seat the two ends of the adjuster wheel assembly. I work that between the hub and wheel cylinder. Next is the small spring at the bottom. Then carefully seat the shoes in the wheel cylinder while removing the clamp. Then the aft shoe retainer, then the adjuster lever, then the fore shoe retainer. Only spring to pull with pliers is the adjusting lever spring, but that one is easy.
Omfg that top spring is so hard to get on, I actually pop the cylinder and the brake fluid spilled out smh. I am now going to put tie straps around the shoes and try this again. Thank you for this innovative video, this will make my life easier.
The snap ties are a good idea but you can also use a flat screwdriver to pack the gap between the wheel hub and the brake shoes with paper towels. That will hold the brake shoes in place while you use your other 2 hands to install the clips and keep the brake shoes from moving side to side (and leaking brake fluid) while pulling the springs. It also keeps the surface of the shoes clean.
Great video. This is not a difficult job, but very time consuming, so plan ahead that it can take 5-6 hours. The best tips from this video: 1) The zip tie trick and 2) Using the Dremel to get the little u-clip off (worked like a charm). I'll add that the new u-clip in the new hardware kit didn't quite fit, so I put it in a bench vise to open it up a little more.
I remove my 2006 Civic LX original drums annually to inspect, clean, and lubricate the rear brakes. This year I found fine cracks in the brake drums around the M8 extraction holes. Something to look out for. I replaced them with Centric drums, which fit perfectly and have a nice e-coating that will hopefully inhibit unsightly surface rust.
It's astonishing to me that manufacturers are still producing cars with drum brakes in the 21st century. I mean are disc brakes really that much more expensive to manufacture? Come on......
Scotty Kilmer has a short video on why drum brakes.. I come to find myself liking drum brakes in someway. Just have to learn how to properly maintain them.
For some reason my breaks is very hard and if I release the auto adjuster, I cant put the router back on, not sure if I inverted something on the re assembly
Really good video man! Honda dealership has been throwing me around due to a seized e-brake and this let me understand the rear brake a little more. Kudos to you
great video. I would suggest one more small procedure.... use brake cleaner and spray the unit down of access dirt and grime from the shoe wear. put a pan under the assembly and brush it clean... much easier to work with new parts and not so messy..you do not need that old grime in the new assembly area to possibly get on drums and decrease friction.
think I'm gonna try this. I always was afraid to do drums but this looks not top bad. I have the same car, and I dis the front pads and rotors, but I wanna do rear as well. maybe tomorrow
Its so much easier to do the top spring first....bottom spring last. Then you are not fighting anything or breaking out zip ties to keep the shoes tight.
I just replaced one side of the brake drum as of now, but when I test drove it there was grinding noise which is coming from the drum to the hub. Even when I rotate it manually I can hear it, and when I remove the drum I can see metal flakes all over. Also my brake seems too lose which I'm guessing I need to make the groove tighter. Does anybody know what I might have done wrong for it to grind?
Dude This video and You saved my A$$,, I would have never gotten it done if not for you.. I had my right rear all apart and it got dark then started raining, watched your vid. went back out and had it done in 15 mins. the zip tie trick works perfect, Thank you so much for posting..PS. watch some of my crazy videos for a laugh sometime
What was the suggested procedure for replacing the top spring - have it in place as you reset the brake shoes? I assume it was too difficult to get the proper separation to get the shoes set in the caliper ends? Seems that is the most difficult part of this procedure.
I did just this job and 100% agree that the top spring was the hardest part. I fought for about 2 hours and it was more luck than anything that I finally got it back on. I would also like to know if someone has a good trick for this.
This method is harder than it should be, two flaws I see: - The little Horse shoe clip using Dremel is too risky. Just use a flat head and pry the end clip vertically up and pull it with a piler. - Using Zip Tie and brute force top spring to put in place is way too hard. The easiest way is to install one brake shoe (the side that holds the handbrake bracket cable) correctly position the adjustment rod and install the top spring to both shoes and slowly pull the opposite brake shoe in position to align with the brake fluid cylinder & the adjustment rod. The rest should be easy such as bottom spring, side spring and finish it with a back holding pin. It only took me 5 mins to install everything.
I'm planning to change mine couple of weeks from now, can you pls include and show pictures of the diagram regarding brake shoe replacement? Or if you can email to me? I saw some of your clips but it's not too clear on this video,thanks
I underestimated the first step (taking the drum off) and cannot take the drum off today (used a hammer). Now I am going to buy M8 1.25 hex bolts tomorrow to take the stupid drum that is stuck to the hub... so make sure to buy M8 hex bolts if you want this job to get done in a day :)
"Do not attempt to do this at home" even though that's why we're all on RUclips searching for these vids in the first place...then he proceeds to attempt this at his house 🤔
Yes you can but it will be a little tight in there. Spread the shoes out a little at the top and loosen the brake line. Be sure to pinch the hose off first to prevent fluid leakage and lessen bleed time first. After the brake line has come loose then remove the 2 bolts that hold the wheel cylinder. When installing a cylinder, I loosely install those 2 bolts at first until I get the threads for the brake line started, then tighten the bolts, brake line, place the shoes back in place and bleed the brakes.
It would be funny if after he says thats it it's time to put the wheel back on and it goes black, after a few seconds the next scene is that car crashed into an oak tree.
Changing drums is my least favourite job to do on a car - it's so fiddly and annoying. You don't have to let professionals do it if you have the patience, but even though I know how to do it I'd prefer to let someone else deal with the hassle. Pads and disks are so much easier.
This isn't hard to do. I usually take pictures as I go, but I also own a 1968 Chevy pick up truck, so I've been changing drum brakes a while. Its a little different, but not much.
Great video! Thank you so much! To help with the re-assembly this video was really nice ruclips.net/video/FQgCoNp2MqU/видео.html - can forego the zip-ties. Oh this was so much fun.....NOT!
I don't want to be sued by someone who thinks they can do it themselves and makes a mistake. That said, if I made a mistake, I wouldn't sue the brake manufacturer, or Honda.
Thanks for showing clearly how I should change the rear brakes, im going to the shop
You posted a really good video. I know you made a mistake with the spring popping the piston out, but all of us have done that sort of thing as we work on our cars ourselves. Thank you so much for posting this video. I have to do my 2012 civic shoes and my setup will be almost identical to yours.
*Arrgh! No "Thank You" $'s button for your superbly-presented video? Regardless, well done and Cheers!*
This is the perfect method I was looking for. Alot of people go for the top spring first, risking popping off the cylinder towards the right and putting air into the system. Thanks!
you should plead the cylinder a little anyway to be safe
You made your life a lot harder with installing the top spring last! When putting on the forward shoe after attaching the rear shoe with the ebrake lever and setting the adjuster into place, attach the top spring and initially use your thumb to apply holding pressure to the cylinder as you pull on the shoe and spring, first and foremost getting the top of the front shoe rotated into the cylinder slot. Once that is seated, control over the wheel cylinder becomes so much easier as you align the front shoe on the backplate. Doing it this way also allows you to connect the bottom spring when the front shoe still has some play which makes an easier job as well. doing it this way simply uses the forces at play to your advantage rather than forcing yourself to pull against the spring's linear axis of maximum resistance.
After reading a repair book (not a main one, one written by some random mechanic that has so many great tips for the home DIYer. I only have pages left that a friend gave me, and I don't know the title), it made so much sense. I didn't have a single issue and I have never touched drum brakes in my life!
This is the best video I know of for changing drum brakes on a Honda Civic 8th gen; period.
It's so helpful; Thank you so much!
Very informative...thanks. I hate doing drum brakes...those springs and clips are always a pain.
Awesome video! I JUST restocked my 24" zip ties 💯
Great video, two things thanks for the tie wrap around the assembly this helps when trying to installing the long spring it keep everything together, and nothing for the parking brake I used my vise to gently hold down the brake shoe and remove and installed the new shoe.👌🏾💪🏾👏🏾👍🏾🤔👨🏾🔧🇯🇲🇨🇦.
Nice video. I do my reassembly in a different order, and I use a wheel cylinder clamp to keep the pistons from popping out.
I hate pulling springs, so I put the tops of the shoes together first with the top spring, and then pull them apart to seat the two ends of the adjuster wheel assembly. I work that between the hub and wheel cylinder. Next is the small spring at the bottom. Then carefully seat the shoes in the wheel cylinder while removing the clamp. Then the aft shoe retainer, then the adjuster lever, then the fore shoe retainer. Only spring to pull with pliers is the adjusting lever spring, but that one is easy.
This is a top video and well explained thanks for this. 👍
Omfg that top spring is so hard to get on, I actually pop the cylinder and the brake fluid spilled out smh. I am now going to put tie straps around the shoes and try this again. Thank you for this innovative video, this will make my life easier.
Just a trick, buy replacement springs and hardware kit it will save you a lot of time by cutting the old ones that are probably rusted
Nice! I like your can do spirit. My do it at home and save point of view is experiencing a steep learning curve.
The snap ties are a good idea but you can also use a flat screwdriver to pack the gap between the wheel hub and the brake shoes with paper towels. That will hold the brake shoes in place while you use your other 2 hands to install the clips and keep the brake shoes from moving side to side (and leaking brake fluid) while pulling the springs. It also keeps the surface of the shoes clean.
I use a ratchet strap
Great video. This is not a difficult job, but very time consuming, so plan ahead that it can take 5-6 hours. The best tips from this video: 1) The zip tie trick and 2) Using the Dremel to get the little u-clip off (worked like a charm). I'll add that the new u-clip in the new hardware kit didn't quite fit, so I put it in a bench vise to open it up a little more.
He didn't show the dremel part in action
you can also use a clamp
I remove my 2006 Civic LX original drums annually to inspect, clean, and lubricate the rear brakes. This year I found fine cracks in the brake drums around the M8 extraction holes. Something to look out for. I replaced them with Centric drums, which fit perfectly and have a nice e-coating that will hopefully inhibit unsightly surface rust.
Jim Trainor may I ask how many miles till you need to replace the brake shoes/pads?
@@Gleeleeglee My rear shoes lasted about 110 kmiles as I recall. The service manual limit is 1mm of pad remaining, best I can remember.
Oh yeah .. and centric drums for the civic are not ecoated. They rusted :(
It's astonishing to me that manufacturers are still producing cars with drum brakes in the 21st century. I mean are disc brakes really that much more expensive to manufacture? Come on......
not only that, this civic also has Valve adjustment that needs to be done every so often.
This is what I was thinking for the 6 hours I spent doing my brake drums for the first time
Scotty Kilmer has a short video on why drum brakes.. I come to find myself liking drum brakes in someway. Just have to learn how to properly maintain them.
@@craterrr those springs are a pain in the back to remove and install 😂
They last a lot longer and cause less issues and are more efficient. There’s a reason most heavy duty semi trucks use drum brakes.
For some reason my breaks is very hard and if I release the auto adjuster, I cant put the router back on, not sure if I inverted something on the re assembly
Awesome video! 👍🏻
Really good video man! Honda dealership has been throwing me around due to a seized e-brake and this let me understand the rear brake a little more. Kudos to you
thank you.Very helpful
You should change the years. This also applies to 9th generation drums. I wish I found this last week!
great video. I would suggest one more small procedure.... use brake cleaner and spray the unit down of access dirt and grime from the shoe wear. put a pan under the assembly and brush it clean... much easier to work with new parts and not so messy..you do not need that old grime in the new assembly area to possibly get on drums and decrease friction.
If the piston comes off will the system need to be bleeded? Because I got some air in the system break feels spongy.
think I'm gonna try this. I always was afraid to do drums but this looks not top bad. I have the same car, and I dis the front pads and rotors, but I wanna do rear as well. maybe tomorrow
Its so much easier to do the top spring first....bottom spring last. Then you are not fighting anything or breaking out zip ties to keep the shoes tight.
Whats a good brand of rear brake shoes for these cars? It hard to find a good brand sense barely anybody makes them.
Yeah. I watched as that little clip went flying through the air never to be found again. I feel your pain
Did that yesterday. Going today to buy replacement. Also left the parking brake engagemed and lost my brake fluid. 🤦🏻♂️
I just replaced one side of the brake drum as of now, but when I test drove it there was grinding noise which is coming from the drum to the hub. Even when I rotate it manually I can hear it, and when I remove the drum I can see metal flakes all over. Also my brake seems too lose which I'm guessing I need to make the groove tighter. Does anybody know what I might have done wrong for it to grind?
To put the large spring on I used a large clamp to compress the shoes together. Thx for the video
I used a ratchet strap
Great video - thanks.
Dude This video and You saved my A$$,, I would have never gotten it done if not for you.. I had my right rear all apart and it got dark then started raining, watched your vid. went back out and had it done in 15 mins. the zip tie trick works perfect, Thank you so much for posting..PS. watch some of my crazy videos for a laugh sometime
where did you get your brake shoes from?
No ensañaste en video la colocacion del resorte principal de las balatas yo se que cuesta quería ver tu técnica para aprender....
Where can I get that document at 0:50 ?????
What was the suggested procedure for replacing the top spring - have it in place as you reset the brake shoes? I assume it was too difficult to get the proper separation to get the shoes set in the caliper ends? Seems that is the most difficult part of this procedure.
I did just this job and 100% agree that the top spring was the hardest part. I fought for about 2 hours and it was more luck than anything that I finally got it back on. I would also like to know if someone has a good trick for this.
Thanks for the bolt size!!!
This method is harder than it should be, two flaws I see:
- The little Horse shoe clip using Dremel is too risky. Just use a flat head and pry the end clip vertically up and pull it with a piler.
- Using Zip Tie and brute force top spring to put in place is way too hard. The easiest way is to install one brake shoe (the side that holds the handbrake bracket cable) correctly position the adjustment rod and install the top spring to both shoes and slowly pull the opposite brake shoe in position to align with the brake fluid cylinder & the adjustment rod. The rest should be easy such as bottom spring, side spring and finish it with a back holding pin. It only took me 5 mins to install everything.
Can I implement this on a 2013 civic?
Thanks for video
I'm planning to change mine couple of weeks from now, can you pls include and show pictures of the diagram regarding brake shoe replacement? Or if you can email to me? I saw some of your clips but it's not too clear on this video,thanks
I underestimated the first step (taking the drum off) and cannot take the drum off today (used a hammer). Now I am going to buy M8 1.25 hex bolts tomorrow to take the stupid drum that is stuck to the hub... so make sure to buy M8 hex bolts if you want this job to get done in a day :)
So is this a video to encourage me to do my own drum brakes or discourage me?
"Do not attempt to do this at home" even though that's why we're all on RUclips searching for these vids in the first place...then he proceeds to attempt this at his house 🤔
It’s most likely a disclaimer so that if you mess it up yourself you don’t go and blame him for your mess up
Could you publish a linck to the diagram of the brakes assembly.
Thanks for the great video !
You are doing it the hard way bro.
Ok, so what's the easy way?
@@kenc.9067use a ratchet strap
@@garagekeysthanks for the tip
@@kenc.9067NP. once I wrapped the ratchet strap around the shoes and snugged it up a bit the top spring was easy to get on.
use a rag to stuff on the side of brake shoes, it holds in place.
Good video
Could you replace the cylinder at the top without removing the rest of the brake?
Yes you can but it will be a little tight in there. Spread the shoes out a little at the top and loosen the brake line. Be sure to pinch the hose off first to prevent fluid leakage and lessen bleed time first. After the brake line has come loose then remove the 2 bolts that hold the wheel cylinder. When installing a cylinder, I loosely install those 2 bolts at first until I get the threads for the brake line started, then tighten the bolts, brake line, place the shoes back in place and bleed the brakes.
It would be funny if after he says thats it it's time to put the wheel back on and it goes black, after a few seconds the next scene is that car crashed into an oak tree.
Changing drums is my least favourite job to do on a car - it's so fiddly and annoying. You don't have to let professionals do it if you have the patience, but even though I know how to do it I'd prefer to let someone else deal with the hassle. Pads and disks are so much easier.
This isn't hard to do. I usually take pictures as I go, but I also own a 1968 Chevy pick up truck, so I've been changing drum brakes a while. Its a little different, but not much.
Next car I buy WILL have disc brakes in the rear.
What happened to the final 2 minutes? Zombie apocalypse?
Great video! Thank you so much! To help with the re-assembly this video was really nice ruclips.net/video/FQgCoNp2MqU/видео.html - can forego the zip-ties. Oh this was so much fun.....NOT!
I am now a professional
I have been doing drum brakes since I was 15 it's really not that difficult.
You didn’t clean the dum first.
Do not attempt to do this at home.
I'm attempted to do it at home.
I messed it all up not really informative
Not terribly encouraging to have caveats saying to have professionals do the job.
I don't want to be sued by someone who thinks they can do it themselves and makes a mistake. That said, if I made a mistake, I wouldn't sue the brake manufacturer, or Honda.
Can someone be sued for posting a DIY video on social media? That's a stretch - but I guess one never knows anymore.
My airline got sued by a customer who we served a drink to an subsequently beat her kids.
When lawyers destroy the sense of personal responsibility...... scratch common sense off the agenda.
@@boeingbenn Who sued the airline? The kids? The abusive drunk mom? CPS?