InPresence 0228: Living in the Afterlife, Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2024
- Jeffrey Mishlove engages in a conversation with himself about conditions in the early stages of the afterlife. He makes the point that the available research strongly suggests the influence of cultural conditioning. Our expectations play an enormous role on what is experienced. He describes the work of rescue circles and the controversy as to whether these are necessary. He also discusses differences in afterlife reports between western and Asian reincarnation cases.
New Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in "parapsychology" ever awarded by an accredited university (University of California, Berkeley, 1980).
(Recorded on June 15, 2021)
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Jeffrey, your smile makes me smile
This crazy nut has shared an awful lot of useful wisdom with me and I feel like there is no other human being quite like Jeff. Thanks for being genuine and real. I am really glad to know Jeff and I do feel like I sort of know him after spending hours and hour with him learning from him. Love ya Jeff.
WE LOVE THIS GUEST ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Produced by Jeffrey Mishlove, hosted by Jeffrey Mishlove, with special guest Jeffrey Mishlove.
Mishlove on Mishlove.
Much love.
Makes me realize how special a soul is.
Channelled book "A Dweller on Two Planets" (1905) talks about personalized heavens, almost like virtual realities.
I think it sort of has to be personalized.
@Reezy37 Excellent point. Things are relative to the person's experiences.
@@nix324 Everyday people get censored while nasty criminals freely roaming around and don't even get questioned.
@@nix324 Thanks 👍.
Your profile pic sort of looks like Art Bell.
Awesome, looking forward to part II !
Jeffrey you are so jolly these days, so great to see you happy and with such passion ♾💖
Been a while since I've watched and I just would like to say I'm seeing and hearing a tremendous amount of growth in you, Mr. Mishlove. :) who am I to Judge? nobody save that God (the Creator) and I are very good friends so what God sees I also try to envision. Good to see you again, Jeffrey.
Thank you and looking forward to your part II. Chinese Taoism teaches not only duality, but also teaches that there is good in all evils and there is evil in all goods. Nothing is pure good or evil. We choose to be or not to be.
Love and kindness is the highest spirituality. ❤️
I really hope that when this man reaches the Afterlife that God says hi to him and gives him a fun filled adventure for Eternity.
Bravo thank you , two Jeffrey's.
So good to see you my friend!
As a philosophy of the after life - an excellent account and one that sits well with me as an idea. Regarding the "evil" presence of exitence being part of the wider scheme of things our thoughts must go out to those throuhout history that have been on the receiving end of it
I look forward to this Jeffery.
Love the way you interviewed yourself!
You're my favorite guest too!!
Dr. Mishlove! Please have this "guest" back on for Part 2 (and 3, 4, 5 . . .?) ASAP! : )
Thank you so much. I am looking forward to part II. (As well as any time you publish content.)
Just to be naughty I was going to say that Jason is my favorite guest which up to this point he was. But this is absolutely excellent and I really enjoyed this. I can relate to it and it's inspiring and eye-opening. Thank you Jeffrey. Glad there's more to come.
Dr. Betty's books are terrific. He's one of my favorite guests on NTA.
Karen McCarthy's absolute insistence that spirit rescue isn't a real thing is odd. It's one thing to doubt something, but quite another to posit one's expert theory in the face of great evidence to the contrary. Whither humility?
Maybe this world is an afterlife to the one before.
You never know, interesting thought!
pretty neat comment 👍🏻
Nice! :-)
And maybe this is the prelife to next life
This content is wonderful and it's truly a service you're providing. This information is important and eye-opening. Thank you Jeffrey! Keep up the great work :)
Thank you for these videos.
Based on my studies of Jung and his Memories,Dreams and Reflections he tells the story of a dream visitation from his father who asked him for help dealing with Jung's mother who was close to death. Jung intimates that people in the afterlife only know what they knew when they died. To me, this is a reason we reincarnate....to grow, evolve, learn and get the new information. In my visions of past lives there were a couple of giants. Makes me wonder if there truly was a race of giants.
Also, Walt Whitman in his poetic mandala, Chanting the Square Deific, he describes Satan as a rebel, brother of slaves, defiant, fighting against oppression,defiant.... interesting, I thought - certainly part of the human condition..
Thank you ~ ☀️
You know, all the teachings across the world which say to let go of material desires and be not of the the world, tend to suggest if one is spiritually in tune they don’t need to return to this world. Without a memory it seems a futile and burdensome experience to have. If we could remember, we could use knowledge from our past to improve greatly. But then why bother to return at all in physical form?
Check out Sarvapriyananda on RUclips. He's a teacher of advaita vedanta or nonduality in NYC. The philosophy comes from the Upanishads. He has many lectures. Advaita says that this world is a dream and our real nature is that of pure consciousness. Why we are here? Advaita says we are not here! It's all imagination! From the highest point of view there is no birth and no death, that we are free even now but our false identifications bind us! Also check out Nisargadatta Maharaj and his book I AM THAT, google has free PDF copy. Advaita vedanta paints a very clear picture of reality. Nisargadatta was amazing, get his book.
@@dare-er7sw He has a good imagination but the pain and suffering here is real. It does not matter what so and so says. One can feel the pain all the way to their soul.
@@nbeizaie Advaita Vedanta tradition of Hinduism, yes pain and suffering is real but only as long as it lasts. After that it feels like waking up from a nightmare or a dream. What's changing has only transient existence therefore unreal.
@@dare-er7sw Just because somebody said it is unreal, does not make it unreal. Not all pains are the pains that go away. For example, have you lost a child? How long will the pain last? have you lost multiple family members (specially young ones)? The pain is unbearable and never goes away. The pain actually grows bigger each day. What kind of loving god does that to his children? If god does not understand this much, I won't call it god.
Thanks so much ✨✨✨ this is the time to get this knowledge rolling (:
Awesome content as always
Of all the guests on this show and the books for suggested reading, The Road to Immortality is by far the most interesting as it shows how one might evolve to the highest states of being. Life after death is merely the gateway.
Please come back to it soon and could ya get this guest on a little more what a gentlemen
Interesting!
There's a steep question as to whether any of these afterlife conditions are collective states. It's a problem I've always had with Monroe's "locales" for instance. They don't supremely gel with NDEs, nor do they gel with other people or other systems unless they tend to go through the Monroe institute. It begins to look like they were idiosyncratic to Monroe, with his radio and engineering emphasis on vibrations, frequencies, electrical phenomena and so forth. I've never heard of any NDEr who travelled along power lines, who got "trapped" in the electromagnetic field of a room, or who had "electrical sex" with other beings around the hospital bed.
When someone encounters someone they assume to be their father "hiding" from guides in case he has to go to Hell, I am more inclined to interpret that whole theater as taking place in the space of the experiencer, including the concepts of "spaces" and "guides." I say it's a steep question, because if there is no collective world there, then there may not be a collective world here either, however heavily it appears to us as if there must be one.
NDEs seem to be all about the dying individual. Groups, communities, cities, etc are always gestural only. They are never observed to actually be doing anything. What do people get up to in these supposed afterlife communities? It seems to me more as if consciousness is a kind of "Solition" - there may not be multiple spaces or instances of it. In other words, wherever it perceives itself to be is the only "where" that is. If that is so, then it would mean you can't have multiple instances (contra Kastrup) so if you are experiencing a state and a place as consciousness, then like atomic orbitals, this automatically excludes consciousness from functioning in or "as" any other being, state, or place, while you are active. Not sure if I've made that clear, but in my mind's eye, at least, I know what I mean.
I had an NDE in Pttsburgh in 2018, and i recall energy, auras were rising into the sky. The entire sky was filled with clouds, but the clouds were also very bright, even blinding. I could also see into houses, around corners and see cars/buses/trucks moving in real time on the bridges and highways. I saw my body being stretched out of a bus from 2500 ft up or even higher. I had a female and male guide (I think the male guide was my late grandfather who passed in 2004). I think you are very on point with your inquiry. Final point would be on "electrical sex" or "getting sucked into power lines": going into "bliss/rapture" from the "white light" is what i experienced. You can see the fields around the transformers too. The more you look into the light, the more you lose memory and forget your bodily duty. The more the pleasure makes you want to divorce your soul from your body and die. After flying around southside blowing my own mind, I ended up wrapped in white light and surrounded by it on my back moving closer to the light. The two guides in white light sat next to me and spoke telepathically. soon after a bunch of light disappeared and im back to flying right above and immediately catch the ambulance my body was in, right as that happens the white light stars refracting to the colors of Pittsburgh and the colors form a funnel that I spiral down, I'm barreling towards the amubulance and right when im there, I see black, I squeeze my eyes like in a bad dream and I fly up in my body in the ambulance. Sorry for the rambling. Maybe this was informative or at least entertaining. Thanks
Google nisargadatta Maharaj I am that PDF download. The book is here. Nisargadatta said that the dream continues after death. It's all imagination! He was one of the greatest teacher of advaita vedanta. Advaita paints a very clear picture of reality.
Must read book about the afterlife "The Risen" by August Goforth. Also Jeffrey has interviewed him!
I would guess that the "dimension" of good & evil in the afterlife that you discussed might correspond to what some others have called the vibratory levels or energy levels in the astral plane, is that correct?
Great Book Life in the World unseen Anthony Borgia
God has no enemies.
Yeah I agree with your points. I've had a brief experience with things similar to what you call "soul rescue" (some inspired a couple of my videos), and as I'm sure you have noticed, it does bring the question as to why higher beings would allow these souls to be left stranded into their own "hell". Well, I'm sure you know there isn't a single answer to why as there's so many different exceptions, but generally speaking, every experience is valid. Can we judge that the world created by a soul is really not what's best for that soul? Why should we "save" someone from their own "hell" when they haven't asked for help and don't want to be saved? If they think they are living on a materialistic "heaven", who are us to judge that they are not? What rights do we have to stop their own free will to live in the world they want to live? What will they learn if we prevent them from having that experience? Is the drowning man ready to be saved or saving him will just make him drown again tomorrow? We are all searching for something, and maybe the "hell" that someone is living is an important part of the path for that person to find what's being searched. 🙂
I feel like that something we all search for is our soulmate. We all only have one which is actually divided amongst you and your other half who is another person... .5 or half of a soul are we which gave new meaning to the yin yang theory for me. Nothing is whole save our Creator. The last time any of us were whole was when we were a concept in God's eyes prior to being incarnated at which time we are divided like all things are prior to entering this reality. but thats just me. I really liked your comment :)
I think that the only hell is earth. It takes time to take off all the drama. Everything is in the ether and we tend to come close to everything that is in the afterlife. Nanci danison who had a nde describe the after life as going through different stages until we become our spiritual selves.
@@innerstar6569 "It takes time to take off all the drama" Exactly, but wouldn't that be sometimes tormentful? Can't we then say it was "a hell of an experience?" :)
I certainly hope part 2 contains some proof of the claims of the afterlife. So far, all I know is what people parrot from books and other writings. The only certainty I have now is that death is inevitable for all and when I do die, I will then know the truth of the matter.
If you have a chance look up roger ebert.( he passed away a few years ago) tells his wife about the afterlife. Also look at celebrity ghost stories with rue mclanahan. She was terrified of dying until her best friend died.
My mom passed in 2005. I was her caregiver. She would be semi conscious
And say it's so Beautiful or just say wow!
The week after she passed i woke up in the middle of the night with the scent of roses ( her favorite). One morning i woke up laughing. I kid you not...i knew we had been together.
Some times im afraid of dying (im 68) but i think of ebert, mclanahan and my mom and I'm ok.
Everytime we sleep and lose consciousness we have a little death .if through disciplines of prayer and meditation we can retain consciousness when we leave the body ....
I like it that old intro is back........
All is well.
Hi Jeff I think it's time to interview Tom Campbell author of MY BIG TOE... what do you think?
I have my own little story about the afterlife, but I rather keep it to myself. People might not like it. All I can say is that is nothing like people think it is. People need to stop labeling things and start from scratch like a new born baby. We go back to being a new born baby without labeling things and words. Words are just part of our 3D condition. All you need to know is that there is no time in the afterlife and go from there. Everything is just in a state of constant 'now'. For some on the earth it seems like real death. That's why is the unknown.
Hi, i will be very interested to know more about your experience..
I used to think it said "thinking out loud".
how to explain the increasing population on this planet? Either people are reincarnating more and more frequently whereas before they stayed in the "astral" for much longer between incarnations, OR it's not simply that we have a life on earth, die and immediately have another life on earth, over and over. If there are many planets, many dimensions that one can "incarnate" in, then most souls are not on earth even right now with the great numbers that are here, but perhaps because of the accelerating development on this planet more and more souls are choosing to come here to get interesting experiences.
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If there was a place called hell, Mishlove would go there and turn it into heaven. A beautiful soul he is.
In the spirit realm, we need not food but love, the intake of love, in order to grow, and I don't mean physically. Love will not enter where fear already exists. So when ya say God is everywhere, essentially, God's sublime presence is, yes, but God's person/personality is not. For example... there are two ppl. One wants to befriend me and one doesn't. Do I force the one who doesn't want to be my friend to be my friend? Of course not. Neither will God. I'm always ready to be your friend or in essence, in your presence.
Do we really understand what life IS here in the sphere of the so-called living? If we don't we expand our not-knowing but proclaiming we do into the so called "after life". It would serve us better to be silent and humble in the face of the mystery. At least we should go "meta" and admit that we don't know, plus examine our respective motives for why we need to know and why we follow the illusion that we indeed do know.
Dr. Mishlove, do you watch the paranormal video channels? Slapped Ham, Nukes top 5, etc. There are some Russian ones out there, Dark Paranormal, and Tim Morozov, that if they aren't faked are quite interesting. The Russians attempt to make contact, Tim tries to shoot them with a shotgun loaded with salt. In one episode he placed the shotgun down, the barrel pointing at himself, during an EVP session he was told that whatever it was that was there wanted him to stay there. The triggers were pulled on the shotgun, and as the video would have us believe, lucky for Tim the gun was empty. Then there's Xiaolong's outdoor adventure. This young Chinese man goes to haunted areas and curses the ghosts in between his terrified screams. He went to an abandoned school, said to be haunted by a young girl that died there, she sings and plays an organ. He hears her, follows the singing to her floor and room, and there is this old dusty organ with the foot pedals moving. She's quite benign until finally Xiao Long ( it means little dragon in mandarin) threatens to destroy the organ. The room suddenly fills with fog and you can see the silhouette of a girl in the mist. Xiao Long flees screaming while all sorts of furniture move to block his way as he rushes down the stairs. Personally, if I found myself lost in the afterlife, I'd seek out the homes of the ultra rich, and not the run down hovels that are featured in many of these videos. It makes me wonder how they see this world from their side. Also watching these videos, the shadows peek around the corner, which can lead one to think it's fake, or they have to manifest in order to see clearly. It would appear that they are not equal in their world and they have different limitations.
i spent but a few minutes in the afterlife, and its funny, cuz I was looking into the nice houses too hahaha. I almost wanted to knock on the one house the next week and be like--- "wow your closet upstairs is filled with so many nice clothes, I love the red one !" hahaha
I'm going to check out those channels, thank you
If all this research is being done, why are they giving awards for after life proof? I am rather puzzled
Suzan Orge Borovas are you referring to Robert Bigelow contest? he’s offering nearly $1 million in prizes for the best evidence for “the survival of consciousness after permanent bodily death.” ruclips.net/video/YnR_ExG4Nrk/видео.html this is a link for the Full interview with Robert Bigelow about contest
@@sabermouad9750 I shall look thank you. Yes I was referring to this. It is my understanding that evidence abounds; however, if he is looking for the ‘best’, this is a whole different story of course.
I just watched Bigelow. How exciting. Looking forward to hearing the unveiling, more than this, documentation of new research. ‘Third world’ actives in this area fall through the cracks though, their time wil come 🙂
@@suzanorgeborovas3795 Yeah, that would be very interesting to find out, if you go to my channel I have a saved list called (Is There Life After Death and Near Death Experience Compilations) it has stories from news and talk shows about the subjects
@@suzanorgeborovas3795 Have you watched this video clip about the Hospice Caregivers? I consider it the best video on RUclips about death-bed visions see when you have someone else seeing what a dying person is seeing that's unheard of that gives more validation and you can't discount it as being hallucinations, I don't want to give it away here but if you had pets that has passed away there probably waiting for you on the other side ruclips.net/video/wTRNiV42kg4/видео.html this short clip is full of wonderful surprises
Mr.Mishlove, I think your statement about "GOD" loving even the devil, may be true, because in the Bible, its stated thar Luscifer was a great ANGEL OF LIGHT! And GOD created all the Angels. I think that even if Lucifer repented, God would forgive him! I believe GOD gave all living creatures, free will!
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The devil is a human creation not God's. Humans have made the devil what it is today. That is not to say evil doesn't exist. That would be me and you. People create evil not God. We won't be able to blame the devil for anything cuz it doesn't exist.
i so agree Reed
is there time in eternity ?
No.
It's not very often you hear of an NDE from Asia, for example, having experienced Jesus, for example. why is that? Just like Jeffery said... you're conditioned. Hell is simply the Divine School of Correction. :)
I’m living in the afterlife at the moment. I’m ETPing (T for typing) this comment to you. Any questions just ask.
You better make it quick this excellent connection I have wont last forev........
who am I?
@@svenschweiger3360 who wants to know?
@@Peter_Godman1 Me in my human form. I lost contact somehow, I struggle with my lightbody process and want to have clearance.
@@svenschweiger3360 here, the end of suffering
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One man’s meat is another’s poison
No one KNOWS what will happen after death - if anything happens at all. Which ofc shows itself in the many vastly divergent theories about it - apparently all convinced that they have the truth.
I think that the afterlife is completely different than what people say. Yes, I do think that there are different stages. We can only guess.
Jeffery have you ever done DMT
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If you've spent most of your life under false beliefs, guess what your condition is when you pass? All must be corrected. Will be corrected. "Shalt" Eventually! Thou shalt not worship any other God... eventually. Wanna know why? Cuz there is no other God! How long is it gonna take for you to figure that out? As long as you want. God is eternal and so are you. :)
Maybe you're beliefs are false. There were many groups of christians in the earliest beginnings of it. Some believed in two gods, some in 15, there was a group that believed in one god they considered evil and ruled the world. I have read the bible. I find it depressing. I don't worship any god. Men wrote the bible to serve men, and men only.
There's no such thing as God in the afterlife. Labels and words are just worthless. It's part of our 3D condition.
God doesn't come from Good. Stop telling this kind of nonsense.
I will never agree with reincarnation after my studies of 1. It's one of the oldest sins on the planet imo. Sin meaning it's less than perfect. Perfect meaning God's Truth. Nothing has ever been created twice, including ones existence. The sin is not being recreated, which doesn't happen anyway, but rather it's not allowing the thing who the spirit possesses to be it's own entity. Instead it/he/she is occupied, sometimes for the victims entire life, denying the individual it's own unique individual self. You see?
Why would reincarnation be a sin? It's all for the experience! God wants the experience or He/She/It would not have created humans to have such a variety of experiences in the first place! My understanding is that we choose whether or not to have an incarnation as a human animal as well as how often. We choose our parents, our community, as well as significant life nexus points from which we draw wisdom from making choices. And it all goes back to God. These ideas have been verified in hundreds of books over the past hundred or so years.