the thing is that this plane has almost no flares so you use the 12 flares or 6 chaff and 6 flares, but one thing is for sure, 1 flare or 1 chaff will fuck the missile
something this dude forgot to say is that, running flares reinforced makes you lose 4 flares per click, so only 3 times and if you run mixed, you still lose 4 but 2 and 2
It still desperately needs the flare pod. You almost always get up tiered to 11-11.3 that 200+ flare pod is needed. Right now this aircraft can make it to the front line but dies almost instantly after that.
I'm still suffering with the Hungarian one for now, because of stock grind and the nature of the BR bracket. You get up-tiered into 11.3 almost every single battle, against premium fighters that have every advantage. R-60MK isn't much help when literally everyone has flares they're constantly dropping due to being paranoid about missiles. Then you don't have many to work with yourself, only six drops of two each (I can't figure out how to get it to just drop one), and you'll be completely unable to defend yourself after that.
It is my first supersonic fighter and seriously this fighter needed this buff since The R-60 was nerfed over time, although I am aware that this missile cannot see 1 flare pixel because it is automatically lost, but at least I can apply the MIG-29 get closer than 1 km and at least it has a better chance of being effective
Man they need to buff or fix rwr cause there is no reason that im not getting lock tone or launch tone from jets shooting Fox 1. Which always gives tone due to the nature of the fox 1s
This plane was so much fked up Rear Aspect Short missiles Almost No Flares (cuz just 12 sucks at a BR everyone Spams missiles) It cant go supersonic when carrying bombs, at least they put R-60MK all aspect on the plane, they just shoud add the missiles and reduce the plane to 10.3
You think this is painfull, try playing US phantoms. at 11.0 - 11.3 they're flying bricks with shitty radars and rear aspect only missiles, the C at 10.0 doesn't even have any flares. With this buff another all aspect missile slinger added to the enemies try to avoid list. Only one vehicle in USA rank 7 get's all aspect missiles and that is slower than a prop plane.
@@Stockholder27 It's only 1 vehicle that is slower than prop planes... and Su-25 gets similar treatment at 10.0 And 9L doesn't ignore flares "most" of the time, only sometimes.
@@INeatFreak I''d definitely say the 9L is better than the R-60M, much much better, probably the most flare resistant non irccm besides the python, but that's only because the python is faster. I can get easy missile only aces with the F-16A, but that's only in downtiers because no way are you getting an ace without an hmd and irccm in top tier.
@@PzIV-E So? I didn't argued otherwise, my point was only 1 vehicle gets them in USA tree up untill the rank 8 and that is slower than a prop plane. But they have to face Russia with many vehicles with R60M's and now there's one more vehicle to try to avoid headons with.
@@reigarreter with this current br matchmaker 11.0 Stock is cancer, I literally couldn't get any kills no matter what i tried, so i just stuck to playing the J35A in sim
2.5 M 30G missile that can only reach 2.5km at best and goes for the first warm air of fart the pilot let's out, the R-60M is not a big deal at all buddy
@@rav3727 it is when you consider at the same BR range, best USA missile is 9J that is rear-aspect only and pulls 20G's, not to mention at 10.0 the F4C doesn't even have any flares. Stop undertaking the issue here, go play phantoms then come and talk... USA gets it's first all aspect missile all the way in on 12.0 BR when you ignore the A-10, I ignore that because it's slower than some prop planes and SU-25 also get's a similar treatment.
Russian bias game they not good enough to take a country a third they size but their vehicles are pretty much cutting edge in this game F15 was never shot down by the way
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the thing is that this plane has almost no flares so you use the 12 flares or 6 chaff and 6 flares, but one thing is for sure, 1 flare or 1 chaff will fuck the missile
something this dude forgot to say
is that, running flares reinforced makes you lose 4 flares per click, so only 3 times
and if you run mixed, you still lose 4 but 2 and 2
wtf is 6 chaff gonna do
@@Vizzix i saw 1 chaff making 1 of my missiles going off so 1 chaff can do wonders but whatever
@@trivixni435 sparrows say otherwise
@@Vizzix was in pantsir today
fired at a Z-19
got chaffed :kek:
the only top tier radar that gets chaffed that is
FINALLY bro this has been a painful plane, little to no mg ammo, rear aspect missiles, and almost no flares or chaff
Thats why You grind Russia,
@@vibecu yeah.. why else would I be using this plane in the Russian tech tree then?
I love the fact that my already overpowered sim plane is getting even more powerful
german su 22 has more flares but its heavier and has a weaker engine and no r60mk -_-
War thunder balancing at its finest!
@@stealthysaucepan2016 yes, having 128 flares is such an advantage
you only got 12 and they fire in 4's on the M3
Which 22?
UM3K@@PanaviaTornadoEnjoyer
@@זהסודי-ה7מdont forget you legit have a second guy in your plane but be glad you got flares😭
Great. Now they should add the same flare pods as on the German Su-22UM3K.
Su22M3 had it when launched. Then it was nerfed.
I used this plane to grind for the m2k event
It still desperately needs the flare pod. You almost always get up tiered to 11-11.3 that 200+ flare pod is needed. Right now this aircraft can make it to the front line but dies almost instantly after that.
I'm still suffering with the Hungarian one for now, because of stock grind and the nature of the BR bracket. You get up-tiered into 11.3 almost every single battle, against premium fighters that have every advantage.
R-60MK isn't much help when literally everyone has flares they're constantly dropping due to being paranoid about missiles. Then you don't have many to work with yourself, only six drops of two each (I can't figure out how to get it to just drop one), and you'll be completely unable to defend yourself after that.
the ONLY THING that we asked was for a flare pod or something for more CMs, but NOOO, r60ms are not gonna save me from sarhs
No but being close to the ground will. Not an issue in the J35 unless you’re terribly out of position
The problem is not SARH but PD guided missiles imo
It is my first supersonic fighter and seriously this fighter needed this buff since The R-60 was nerfed over time, although I am aware that this missile cannot see 1 flare pixel because it is automatically lost, but at least I can apply the MIG-29 get closer than 1 km and at least it has a better chance of being effective
HELL YEAH. I loved the SU-22 ever since it got dropped down to 10.7, time to fly it out again! Can’t wait!
Man they need to buff or fix rwr cause there is no reason that im not getting lock tone or launch tone from jets shooting Fox 1. Which always gives tone due to the nature of the fox 1s
The SU22m3 was my first top tier jet being a squadron vehicle. It helped me grind through the entire Russian tech in about a year
Thats why I bought it like a month ago and am making miserable progress even with premium
@@andreascook6642yeah when I got it I didn't have as many missiles flying at me but I feel your pain
Now gaijoob give Su-17M2 the countermeasures pod it had irl so its playable
Now if only other planes that are near or at its BR also got all-aspect missiles...
This plane was so much fked up
Rear Aspect Short missiles
Almost No Flares (cuz just 12 sucks at a BR everyone Spams missiles)
It cant go supersonic when carrying bombs, at least they put R-60MK all aspect on the plane, they just shoud add the missiles and reduce the plane to 10.3
The Italian/Hungarian one did get R60M too, yet the one in the German Tech Tree did not... weird
I cry, I clicked this video so fast hoping it would have
Uneducated guess but the east German air force probably didn't use them on the su-22
@@Finngolian the 11.0 version in the German TT gets them
Mean while the f-5E at 11.0 is still stuck with only 2 aim-9js 😭😭
10.7
Great what about a7's and all 9.7 and above without flares
🤫🤫🤫🤫sssshhhh don't say anything about it or gaijin will have you removed
You think this is painfull, try playing US phantoms. at 11.0 - 11.3 they're flying bricks with shitty radars and rear aspect only missiles, the C at 10.0 doesn't even have any flares. With this buff another all aspect missile slinger added to the enemies try to avoid list. Only one vehicle in USA rank 7 get's all aspect missiles and that is slower than a prop plane.
A10... besides the r60 is very flare hungry while an aim 9 can fly straight through them most of the time...
@@Stockholder27 It's only 1 vehicle that is slower than prop planes... and Su-25 gets similar treatment at 10.0
And 9L doesn't ignore flares "most" of the time, only sometimes.
@@INeatFreak fair point
@@INeatFreak I''d definitely say the 9L is better than the R-60M, much much better, probably the most flare resistant non irccm besides the python, but that's only because the python is faster. I can get easy missile only aces with the F-16A, but that's only in downtiers because no way are you getting an ace without an hmd and irccm in top tier.
@@PzIV-E So? I didn't argued otherwise, my point was only 1 vehicle gets them in USA tree up untill the rank 8 and that is slower than a prop plane. But they have to face Russia with many vehicles with R60M's and now there's one more vehicle to try to avoid headons with.
GREAT! now can the A7's get Aim9L's? :D
no that doesnt help russian win rate lol
The event one does a-7k
@@desertrecce5676there’s Russian planes and then there’s that su22m3 which needed it. I don’t see you complaining that 104a is 9.0 tho
Can the British phantoms get them too? :D
that's great and all but my mig21bis (Finland) still does not deserve 11.0 when they just moved the strike viggen to 10.7
All MiG-21bis on 11.0
and also the draken still on 10.3/10.7 with no/6 times 2 flares and RA20G missiles
@@reigarreter with this current br matchmaker 11.0 Stock is cancer, I literally couldn't get any kills no matter what i tried, so i just stuck to playing the J35A in sim
Mat what do u think about confusion related to Astros tiktok showing way of stacking xp? Do u think it's rly bannable?
This plane is 11.3
Why do people say it's 10.7 ? Was the br changed ?
Is it worth buying to grind russian air tree?
5th lets go and also i have played the su-22m3 and grinded the russian tree it sucked with the r-60s
Does the one in german tech tree got the all aspects missiles too ?
it already got it (m4 variant)
Yes I know that the m4 version has it, but I asked for the same version as this one the m3
the german m3 only gets r60s i wonder why:P
Let’s give the f4s and f4j aim 9l then
How about the german one?
2,5 M 30G missile in SU-22M3, but meanwhile F-111A has AIM-9B missile (1.7 Ma and only 10G).
The vark is a lower BR, is one of the fastest planes in the game and has the largest payload capacity in the game.
2.5 M 30G missile that can only reach 2.5km at best and goes for the first warm air of fart the pilot let's out, the R-60M is not a big deal at all buddy
@@rav3727 it is when you consider at the same BR range, best USA missile is 9J that is rear-aspect only and pulls 20G's, not to mention at 10.0 the F4C doesn't even have any flares. Stop undertaking the issue here, go play phantoms then come and talk...
USA gets it's first all aspect missile all the way in on 12.0 BR when you ignore the A-10, I ignore that because it's slower than some prop planes and SU-25 also get's a similar treatment.
Su-17M4>>>>>
is it usable now?
meanwhile mig21bis is till 11.0 P.S why german su22um3k has regular r60s????
Because it has a lot more countermeasures, massively improving its defensive capability especially in uptiers when you need to dodge radar missiles
11.0 F4E cries even more
F4C cries even more with no flares
Here before the usa mains cry
They should have just down tired it
It get 6 and you are ok with that?
Finally...
FINANANNALAYAYAYAYAYA
Ho Else thinks u schud BE able to give Ur frends sl over the wichlißt
Maybe add a little more flare in mig 23 M too
Just play the MiG-23MLD
@@ajmod73 I have researched all the MLD components but I am missing the final ones of the M and having no flare it is difficult to do something
finaly
su17m4 harder
Russian bias game they not good enough to take a country a third they size but their vehicles are pretty much cutting edge in this game
F15 was never shot down by the way