@@luisneumannp2748 if you calcualte all the complex stuff, it lets in the same amount as a regular iPhone but without any of the comoutational magic which makes the lens basically useless at night.
Sony need this lens to make their compact full frame more travel friendly. If they can do this lens perhaps they can do a new full frame fixed lens 28mm or 35mm f2.0 to replace the RX1R2. I think this would be a rip-roaring success with those who, like me love the RX1R2, want something a bit more modern but can’t afford a Leica Q3.
@@todanrg3 It can certainly be done, Pentax has an f1.9 43mm FF pancake lens. The question is if it can be done at Sony's current optical standards or at the flange distance of the Sony FE mount.
@@SimplestUsername Canon has a 40mm 2.8 pancake lens. BUT that is for DSLR, just like Pentax's 43mm. Mirrorless has smaller flange distance and that's why both Canon and Nikon made 28 and 26mm pancakes, not 40mm. It's much harder to design a longer pancake for mirrorless.
I just ordered the Viltrox 28. That being said, if Sony releases an excellent 28/2.8 pancake I would pick it up quickly. Would love to see this followed by a 40ish pancake and maybe something wider - like the Canon 16.
I would buy that without hesitation even if it was priced like the Nikon. If Sony were really surprised by the desire for pancake primes, that would be mildly infuriating.
Just ordered the Viltrox. However I will buy the Sony or the the Samyang interchangeable pancake system, depending which one is better. My wife and I have 2 cameras so we need 2 compact lenses.
Very interested in a 28mm pancake but would be happy to get a 28mm small G prime as well to expand out the trio. I own several Sony bodies but my travel pair is the A7CII and A7CR so while the G primes are not the smallest they work great. Did buy to try the TTArtisan 27/2.8 E mount for APS-C (A6700) and like its size and weight when I want to small. Keep your updates coming. Thank you and take care.
@@pentagramyt417 :D the internet Rambo is here :D one moment: because you gave me that great advice I will do it ofc - thank you for your amazing post. 👏
Mobility, travel photography… we need more compact/pancake lenses. Particularly for third party manufacturers, and APSC cameras (where we value compacteness)… we need more COMPACT lenses. We already have those crazy 0.95/1.2/1.4 aperture lenses. Now, let’s manufacture medium/long telephoto lenses as much as compact as possible (2.8/4.0 or even 5.6… but compact for daylight use).
I have the TTArtisan 27mm f2.8 compact lens, maybe a pancake and a half in thickness. It works great on my a6600, producing very nice and colorful photos with excellent sharpness. For those times when you are not trying to achieve the greatest sharpness but more casual photography, this does more than a good job. No disappointment here. Wider pancake lenses will be welcome on aps-c cameras. Though I would use these rumored 20mm lens from Sony on my aps-c cameras for a nice 30mm effective lens.
I had almost give up on getting actually good pancakes on Sony for street photography... fortunately I didn't sell my a6100, yet. With TTartisan, 7artisans and now Viltrox and Sony themselves it looks like I could have options!
I really want a good quality 28mm lens to use on a A7R IVA so I would be interested in this, although, to be honest I would prefer one in the same series as the 24/40/50mm lenses - I have the 40mm.
Fast, point and shoot pancake lens, there are some, but there is always some quality issue, not to mention impossible close focus. Certainly a field to compete in.
I’ve been hoping for a 28mm f/2.8 full-frame pancake lens from Sony ever since I bought my first Sony full-frame camera! If this rumor is true, it would be amazing. I’m also crossing my fingers for a future 35mm and 50mm version. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if they released a G lens, even if it comes with a higher price tag. Let’s hope this rumor becomes reality!
I have multiple camera bodies in both DSLR & Mirrorless camera and it have some compact prime lens for Pentax ,Olympus, Panasonic and Two Sony G lens, the 24mm and 40mm, for my style of photography the pancakes are too narrow on the camera bodies. The newest Viltrox from what I heard is so thin that it is a fixed aperture f 4.5 lens with auto focus.
If the lens is small, weatherproof, has great focusing and very good quality, id happily pay for it. I am almost sure that something is going to be missing though.
"Priced aggressively" - yeah Sony, release it for max 199 EUR, perfect ! More than double the (current) Viltrox price, but with real aperture acceptable, if the IQ is living up to the task.
You've got no idea how thrilled I am to hear that your little hint has saved me from plunging into a full-blown affair with Fuji G! My Sony gear sits at home wondering what it did wrong. Gearitis can be a cruel disease.
man waits a decade for a full frame e mount pancake and then two come along at once? kind of given up on sony doing anything interesting this year to be honest
Right, the form factor is excellent, and there are always people hunting for the A5100 because of that on the second hand market, even though it is a decade old now. Such a shame, it has so much potential.
Sony has some holes in their lens line up, the pancake, and a 100-300 2.8 among others. I know sigma has the 28-105 f2.8, but Sony needs a 24-105mm 2.8 to compete with the Canon offering. Nikon is killing both Canon and Sony with their lens line up and how quickly they are coming to market. Nikon has the 100-400 and yes I know about sigmas offering. Sony is fine with cameras, but should seriously look at Nikon’s line up and fill in the gaps. I’m hoping to see more new Sony cameras with pre capture as the Canon R5II has dropped the gauntlet. Sony has to get this firmware situation sorted out as well.
@@Soundwave857 Well it turns out it's fake anyway, just a PS 50G job. As for price, sure people will buy the Viltrox just for the price even if the 28/2.8 Sony exists, but many would get the better and still a cheap lens.
@@IBGNW The new 28/4.5 pancake everyone is excited about. It doesn't compete with all specs of course, but it is a 28mm pancake, it works pretty well and costs under $100. And of course it does exist, not like this fake one.
Awsome video as always. Hope Sony drops something for aps-c user's. New or updated lens or can i dream, a new apsc body like a Sony a6700R or a7000 🙏🏿🙇🏿♂️🙏🏿
We have reached the time and age where smaller budget chinese brands innovate and the biggger ones follow and copy. At times when your average prime lens weights 500 to 1000gr a pancake lenses is a must, photography should be fun after all. I just bought the viltrox 28mm but i wish Sony had thought of offering a lens like that 3 years ago
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Well, since I just bought the new Viltrox 28 4.5, this is for sure true that Sony will release a better one
Sony should make a series of 2.8 pancake lenses across all popular focal lengths
Definitely. I need something small with good quality for the a7cr
I hope Panasonic is watching...
Seriously. Like even the Lumix brand influencers found that 28mm f8 hard to swallow.
Yeah, they are watching and laughing 😂
@@karikaru the F8 makes it get stuck in the throat, doesn't it
@@luisneumannp2748 if you calcualte all the complex stuff, it lets in the same amount as a regular iPhone but without any of the comoutational magic which makes the lens basically useless at night.
@@bayern1806They probably shouldn't be laughing given Lumix's allegedly meagre market position
Sony need this lens to make their compact full frame more travel friendly. If they can do this lens perhaps they can do a new full frame fixed lens 28mm or 35mm f2.0 to replace the RX1R2. I think this would be a rip-roaring success with those who, like me love the RX1R2, want something a bit more modern but can’t afford a Leica Q3.
If Sony releases a 28mm pancake I will definitely buy
2.8 40/45mm Pancake please.
This was my first thought after seeing this.
Its not really possible to make pancake 40mm for mirrorless
@@todanrg3 Sure, difficult, but a challence for Sony and others. Try...
@@todanrg3 It can certainly be done, Pentax has an f1.9 43mm FF pancake lens. The question is if it can be done at Sony's current optical standards or at the flange distance of the Sony FE mount.
@@SimplestUsername Canon has a 40mm 2.8 pancake lens. BUT that is for DSLR, just like Pentax's 43mm. Mirrorless has smaller flange distance and that's why both Canon and Nikon made 28 and 26mm pancakes, not 40mm. It's much harder to design a longer pancake for mirrorless.
16mm f4 FE pancake would be nice.
Any dji mirrorless updates?
hope to be 28mm f1.8 G...or 2.5 G with aperture ring...
a7V please !!!!!!!
I just ordered the Viltrox 28. That being said, if Sony releases an excellent 28/2.8 pancake I would pick it up quickly. Would love to see this followed by a 40ish pancake and maybe something wider - like the Canon 16.
I would buy that without hesitation even if it was priced like the Nikon.
If Sony were really surprised by the desire for pancake primes, that would be mildly infuriating.
What about FX3 II or FX6 II ?
So, I got a news here but source asked me to NOT share it. All I can say now is...delayed
panasonic is punching the air rn
Fair enough, but fast forward to the news about a new A1 please :)
Just ordered the Viltrox. However I will buy the Sony or the the Samyang interchangeable pancake system, depending which one is better. My wife and I have 2 cameras so we need 2 compact lenses.
Very interested in a 28mm pancake but would be happy to get a 28mm small G prime as well to expand out the trio. I own several Sony bodies but my travel pair is the A7CII and A7CR so while the G primes are not the smallest they work great. Did buy to try the TTArtisan 27/2.8 E mount for APS-C (A6700) and like its size and weight when I want to small. Keep your updates coming. Thank you and take care.
Hi Andrea :) is there no news about the A1 ii. Last month you told that you will give updates in early September.
coming
@@andrea_pizzini ok :) hope it will be early Andrea :)
@@andrea_pizzini and 2025 is a long long time span... :(
@@gaming-fuel6250 then buy other camera and stop whine
@@pentagramyt417 :D the internet Rambo is here :D one moment: because you gave me that great advice I will do it ofc - thank you for your amazing post. 👏
What happened to dji mirrorless rumor? We are in october is it still valid
For real? A pancake Sony FE 28/2,8 for 300€? Would buy at day one!
Put out as a leak to counter the Viltrox?
Totally in for the Sony pancake!!
Definitely interested in the 28/2.8, especially if IQ is up to the A7R5 sensor demands.
Those Panasonic people responsible for the S9 + their pancake launch must be really proud of their work now. Especially if this rumor confirms :))
Mobility, travel photography… we need more compact/pancake lenses. Particularly for third party manufacturers, and APSC cameras (where we value compacteness)… we need more COMPACT lenses. We already have those crazy 0.95/1.2/1.4 aperture lenses. Now, let’s manufacture medium/long telephoto lenses as much as compact as possible (2.8/4.0 or even 5.6… but compact for daylight use).
I have the TTArtisan 27mm f2.8 compact lens, maybe a pancake and a half in thickness. It works great on my a6600, producing very nice and colorful photos with excellent sharpness. For those times when you are not trying to achieve the greatest sharpness but more casual photography, this does more than a good job. No disappointment here. Wider pancake lenses will be welcome on aps-c cameras. Though I would use these rumored 20mm lens from Sony on my aps-c cameras for a nice 30mm effective lens.
"Sony were surprised" by 3rd party success -shows you how out of touch with customers they are
If the rumor is true, this lens would be perfect one on my A7CII.
What happened to the Sony 24-70mm F2?
Any information about Sony 24-70 F/2 ???
I'm really hoping this is true!!!! I would buy into Sony FE system again if this were true!!!!
Just drop all three videos this week. Keep the momentum going.
I had almost give up on getting actually good pancakes on Sony for street photography... fortunately I didn't sell my a6100, yet. With TTartisan, 7artisans and now Viltrox and Sony themselves it looks like I could have options!
Now this has me considering canceling my preorder for the viltrox lens
this is amazing!may be sony can make 28/40/58 f2.8 group
I really want a good quality 28mm lens to use on a A7R IVA so I would be interested in this, although, to be honest I would prefer one in the same series as the 24/40/50mm lenses - I have the 40mm.
Fast, point and shoot pancake lens, there are some, but there is always some quality issue, not to mention impossible close focus. Certainly a field to compete in.
I’ve been hoping for a 28mm f/2.8 full-frame pancake lens from Sony ever since I bought my first Sony full-frame camera! If this rumor is true, it would be amazing. I’m also crossing my fingers for a future 35mm and 50mm version. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if they released a G lens, even if it comes with a higher price tag. Let’s hope this rumor becomes reality!
I would like to see Sony have more strong of camera flashes. Like the Godox AD200 and 600
I have multiple camera bodies in both DSLR & Mirrorless camera and it have some compact prime lens for Pentax ,Olympus, Panasonic and Two Sony G lens, the 24mm and 40mm, for my style of photography the pancakes are too narrow on the camera bodies. The newest Viltrox from what I heard is so thin that it is a fixed aperture f 4.5 lens with auto focus.
If the lens is small, weatherproof, has great focusing and very good quality, id happily pay for it. I am almost sure that something is going to be missing though.
Great video!
Just as I preordered the Viltrox 28mm f4.5. Let's see what the price point is
That sounds awesome
Definitely a response to that Viltrox indiegogo
That last one coming this year, not 2025, caught my interest as last week I sold my a7IV expecting the a7V might be on its way.
They need slightly wider than 28mm for video. Otherwise, this is exactly the lineup Sony needs.
"Priced aggressively" - yeah Sony, release it for max 199 EUR, perfect ! More than double the (current) Viltrox price, but with real aperture acceptable, if the IQ is living up to the task.
You've got no idea how thrilled I am to hear that your little hint has saved me from plunging into a full-blown affair with Fuji G! My Sony gear sits at home wondering what it did wrong. Gearitis can be a cruel disease.
I hope this lens does not protrude beyond the grip of the A7Cii and then I would be interested
Viltrox 28mm looks good but I really don't like anything over F4.
Just a day after ordering the Viltrox 28 4.5, dang!
man waits a decade for a full frame e mount pancake and then two come along at once? kind of given up on sony doing anything interesting this year to be honest
I'm definitely interested
If the IQ is good , I will definitely by a FE 28 !
I will buy this pancake lens, although I would prefer it as 24mm
Do you have any enw rumours about the Sony A7 mark V ? It's on my buy list !
I hope this is a true rumor ... And a good quality for street photography.
It might be a bit late now that Viltrox has filled that niche.
Isn't that the Panasonic 14 mm F2 .5 lens?
looks a lot different the Pana: bhpho.to/3BsKiZJ
already order vitrox but if sony release I'll get one
Viltrox 28mm F/5.6: €80
New Sony 28mm F/2.8: Probably ~€400
24-105(120)mm F4 mk ii likely soon?
28 is all that matters to me, if they drop a pancake 28 i will buy a sony camera
Would love this, take my money 😍
Any news of LUMIX ?
none yet
Now i get what the L of from L-mount comes from...
sony must make new small camera like a5100
Right, the form factor is excellent, and there are always people hunting for the A5100 because of that on the second hand market, even though it is a decade old now. Such a shame, it has so much potential.
Sony has some holes in their lens line up, the pancake, and a 100-300 2.8 among others. I know sigma has the 28-105 f2.8, but Sony needs a 24-105mm 2.8 to compete with the Canon offering. Nikon is killing both Canon and Sony with their lens line up and how quickly they are coming to market.
Nikon has the 100-400 and yes I know about sigmas offering. Sony is fine with cameras, but should seriously look at Nikon’s line up and fill in the gaps. I’m hoping to see more new Sony cameras with pre capture as the Canon R5II has dropped the gauntlet. Sony has to get this firmware situation sorted out as well.
If true, I wouldn't be surprised the rumor coming from Sony some way, to counter the Viltrox success before everyone gets it.
That Sony 28 2.8 is probably more than 400 bucks so I don't think it will stop the success of the viltrox
@@Soundwave857 Well it turns out it's fake anyway, just a PS 50G job.
As for price, sure people will buy the Viltrox just for the price even if the 28/2.8 Sony exists, but many would get the better and still a cheap lens.
Which viltrox directly compete with this?
@@IBGNW The new 28/4.5 pancake everyone is excited about. It doesn't compete with all specs of course, but it is a 28mm pancake, it works pretty well and costs under $100. And of course it does exist, not like this fake one.
@@IBGNW He put the link to indiegogo in the description.
Sigma our hopes on you now.
Lmao Panasonic’s f/8 manual focus pancake…
Mail from Sony for 1 october… News?
Awsome video as always. Hope Sony drops something for aps-c user's.
New or updated lens or can i dream, a new apsc body like a Sony a6700R or a7000 🙏🏿🙇🏿♂️🙏🏿
Yes please!
I hope it's real! That's a cutie
fx9 mkii
Would be great if real.
Canon's is great. This will be a hit on the smaller bodies.
I'm interested in the Samyang Remaster Slim lens.
We have reached the time and age where smaller budget chinese brands innovate and the biggger ones follow and copy. At times when your average prime lens weights 500 to 1000gr a pancake lenses is a must, photography should be fun after all. I just bought the viltrox 28mm but i wish Sony had thought of offering a lens like that 3 years ago
Whatever, thing's finna cost 5x more than my pookie Viltroxie 28mm. Classic Sony.
Pancakes love APS.
I’ll stick with the 24mm f/2.8 almost-pancake G-lens. It doesn’t overwhelm on the A7c and that new rumored 28mm seems just too thin.
That sounds a desperate Sony movement to avoid losing customers to other lens manufacturers.
If the lens is good and coming soon-ish, it's not a desperate move, just a modern way to help with disadvantageous timing.
If the Sony is too clinical then I’d rather get the Viltrox for its “retro look” and save some money.
Not sure how necessary these are. You are going to have significant compromises in image quality to achieve the form factor.
Viltrox do a 28mm AF f4.5 for $99
But why 28mm?
Sorry, what did you want instead? 😢
@@bingbong4848 They already made a 24mm pancake so anything else really.