The Patriarch Who Abandoned the Truth He Once Embraced
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Excerpted from "Cacodoxy Within: 10 Heretical & Innovative Ideas Promoted Today" by Fr. Peter Heers
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Lord have mercy on Bartholomew, and bring him to enlightenment
@lllllllllllllllllllllllllllll8 so long as any of us are still alive, there is still hope for us. We may not repent, but we can still do so
There will be no mercy for a clergy let alone a Patriarch who has murdered Christ's own flock and has blood on his hands of that of Christ which flows through His servants. And Bartholomew has Christ's blood on his hands by all the canonical orthodox Christians in Ukraine who have been murdered by the schismatics and heretics( many of them nazis by the way) And also St Lavrenti of Chernigov several decades ago said that anyone who recognized the schismatics in Ukraine commits blasphemy of the Holy Spirit of which he or she will never be forgiven of either in this life or in the next.
Schism is also not able to be blotted out by martyrdom. It's a very very serious sin.
Don’t hold your breath. The man (and I wince when using that word in reference to him) is in a demonic thrall.
I am of the thought process that Patriarch Bartholomew is under the influence of dementia of some sort. He periodically displays these symptoms. May God have mercy on him
"If you wish to be calm do not read rebellious books or pamphlets that mention Church matters, since you are not responsible for such serious affairs. You have a need for books that will assist you in your repentance. If you want to help the Church, correct yourself and an immediate amendment is made to a small part of the Church. Naturally, if everyone did this, then the Church would be put in order." St. Paisios the Athonite
So true my friend. Unfortunately patristic teaching does sound different in the ears of the unrepenting.
People start to care more, when condemnation is involved.
St Paisios, Spiritual Councils 2
"Who cares if people are trying to destroy the Church? They’ll tell you, oh it doesn’t’ matter. They are like feathers in the wind - so long as they are comfortable. How can they possibly be comfortable? They’ll be made comfortable by satan in the end. These are not honorable things....
Indifference is unacceptable even for laymen, and all the more so for the clergy. An honest, spiritual man doesn’t do anything with indifference. “Cursed be he that doeth the work of the Lord deceitfully”, says the Prophet Jeremiah (Jer. 48:10). There’s a war on today, a holy war. I must be on the front lines. There are so many M***, so many M*****, so many S****** and assorted others! So many possessed, anarchists and seduced ones! I see what awaits us, and it’s painful for me. The bitter taste of human pain is in my mouth.
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The spirit of lukewarmness reigns. There’s no manliness at all! We’ve been spoiled for good! How does God still tolerate us? Today’s generation is the generation of indifference. There are no warriors The majority are fit only for parades.
Godlessness and blasphemy are allowed to appear on television. And the Church is silent and doesn’t excommunicate the blasphemers. And they need to be excommunicated. What are they waiting for? Let’s not wait for someone else to pull the snake out from its hole so that we can live in peace.
They’re silent out of indifference. What’s bad is that even people who’ve got something inside have begun to grow cool, saying: “Can I really do anything to change the situation?” We have to witness our faith with boldness, because if we continue to be silent we’ll have to answer in the end. In these difficult days each must do what’s in their power. And leave what’s out of their power to the will of God. In this way our conscience will be clear.
If we don’t resist, then our ancestors will arise from their graves. They suffered so much for the Fatherland, and we? What are we doing for it?.. If Christians don’t begin to witness their faith, to resist evil, then the destroyers will become even more insolent. But today’s Christians are no warriors. If the Church keeps silent, to avoid conflict with the government, if the metropolitans are silent, if the monks hold their peace, then who will speak up?"
@@EO-John9540 Yeah, I´m familiar with those as well and agree, of course. I think you misunderstood my reasons for sharing that quote in the first place. Peace.
@@ΠροφήτηςΑββακούμYou cannot judge.
@@mreajamorganaeven the greatest saints say if themselves they are just sinners. He said laymen.
I met his All Holiness many years ago and he never seemed to be the one who would support this. Prayers for him and those who serve him and may the ones who perhaps have tried to persuade this position be driven away. I cannot help but feel it is leaders in the U.S. and E.U. who foment this to cause turbulence within the church for political reasons such as the Patriarchate's decision in Ukraine not too long ago. Lord have mercy and protect his Holy Orthodox Faith!
It is very obvious that Russian intelligence services try to slander him.
In Greece (and I think in other Balkan countries like Bulgaria etc) US intelligence services try to control the elite and Russia tries to affect every fringe group, not only paraecclesiastical groups but groups of pagans or communists. [You will see them using Muslims in the future too]. In Greece there are many weird pseudo-Orthodox websites with made up prophecies etc, probably the result of actions of Russian intelligence services.
I have thought if what Bartholomew did was the result of some short of CIA influence or something but I don't believe it. My impression is that US officials did not expect the decision on Ukraine. And EU is definetely not involved.
@@apo.7898The Patriarchate of Constantinople has been in bed with the CIA/predecessor for a century..
The people called "archons" are the leaders in promoting this kind of travesty
The political people are the issue. The Church needs us to support the Church, so it is independent of the government. We need to use our rights to fight governments and put them in their place. The USA has the First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of religion, yet Covid-19 proves that the government does not follow its own constitution because we must submit to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats and our corrupt judges will go against the constitution to support them. We have good men and women in politics that fight the government to keep it out of church affairs, but few of us support them. If we do not do our part to clamp down on the secular world to keep them out of church affairs, then we are to blame for the situation in the church. If church governance is to operate as Orthodox, then maximum Autocephally needs to be established. Why is the Archbishop of Greece Autocephalous from the Patriarch? It was granted. That is why. The OCA was granted a tomos of Autocephally as well. The Roman Church experienced a very negative trend with the Vatican I and II Councils because of the centralized papal authority. The Acts of the Apostles lays out the conciliatory method of True Church governance. Again, modern governance that wants maximum centralized control is a disaster as it is wherever it occurs..
It's not him speaking. It's NATO using him. He is being used by evil powers for human and globalist interests
In a time of great confusion and mass indifference to Truth both outside and within The Church, thank you for affirming Historic Orthodoxy.
Through the saints may all our bishops return to the fulness and guidance of the church
Lord, have mercy on us 🙏🏻
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
I don't want to go to heaven without the EP please pray for him.
He has never prayed for me i am sure but i will for him. Please pray for me too.
This is what the monks (christians) were absolutely made aware of by our saints about the end days! Woe to those of us who hoard gold in these days. Woe to him! God please have mercy on us. He took CIA bribe? Ok, please save the souls of the millioons of laity under the jurisdiction of this man. The vile sin of me dies in christ and let his die in christ too. Don't leave us to rot.❤
Oh no, I'm not even a full convert yet to the Orthodox Church and I can see this is exactly how the Devil manipulated those in Rome into the Schism. God have mercy on us!
Many have forgotten their commission to serve the Church and grow the Church.
This is why the Church being decentralized from the start is important.
The Orthodox were the ones who went into schism.
You know it was the East that started the schism right?
1 Corinthians 12.7 Glory to God for His word. May we be shown the more excellent way. 🙏 ☦
If this is what he preaches, Let him be Anathema!
Anathema!
Anathema!
Anathema.
UNTIL HE REPENTS
ISAIAH 29/13 they honour Me with their lips but their heart is far from ME/MATTHEW 15/8 MARK 7/7
ANATHEMA
Why hasn't he been removed by all of the Bishops in the GOC? I cannot understand how the GOC clergy can continue to let him lead.
Lord have mercy on him and on us
Through the Intercessions of the Theotokos may the Lord forbid the union with heresy
Thank you Fr.
Thank you Fr. Peter.
When I pray for the Peace of the World, I am praying for the conversion of sinners and the return from heresy by everyone cut off from the life of the Church.
If they can trust in Providrnce to justify their heresies against the preaching of the Church. then I commernd them to the providence they hope in, while still warning others not to hope in such a providence
When the tower fell, our Lord did not order a prayer meeting among his disciples...Rather He warned against a lazy trust in providence to escape an early judgment.
Lord have mercy, Your lesson reminds me of when Saul was chosen to be King by a demand for being like the nations...a centralized power.
Lord have mercy, Your lesson reminds me of when Saul was chosen to be King by a demand for being like the nations...a centrailzed power.
According to Elder Gabriel of Mt. Athos, Patriarch Bartholomew is an enemy of the Holy Trinity, and an enemy of the Mother of God. According to Elder Raphael of Mt. Athos, Bartholomew is not Orthodox.
Are they not in communion with him
Bartholomew is likely a Freemason working with the Western Zi0nist elites. Do you have a link to what Elder Gabriel said?
@@matthewhamstein3811 until they are condemned in Council, most of us, Orthodox, are in communion with him & other such bishops.
@@agiasf7330many people are actually leaving the Trinity doctrine & there's nothing wrong with that. People know how the Trinity doctrine started & its not Christian. Either way the Trinity is not what saves you, it's your trust in Jesus
@@viviennebaptiste you believe the Lord Jesus Christ will return to earth to rule the whole world for a thousand years?
And this man, who will return soon to rule the earth for a millennium with Jerusalem as his capital, is the one we must trust in, & not in the Holy Trinity?
6a rings true. 😢
Lord have Mercy and may St. Michael deliver Bartholomew to safety. These are very dangerous times for the whole of the Eastern Orthodox Church and we need to be very vigilant in these last days.
Thank you Father Peter for exposing what needs to be addressed.
Anyone who sets up a single mortal man as 'head' of the Orthodox Church and 'over' all the Bishops has surely fallen into the terrible and serious sin of Idolatry.
☦️🙏🤍🙏☦️
it's not "Estern Orthodox Church" but One Holly Catholic and Apostolic Church
I converted from UPCI to EOC via GOARCH. My Patriarch's politics and turf war causes me to ponder 3rd Rome.
I'm also former oneness pentecostal/UPCI. Good to see people leaving that cult.
@@andrewdoesapologeticsnd what's wrong with it?
So you left the Biblcal belief of one God to join the Trinity? Ironic.
What issues did you have with it?
I'm an Orthodox but I don't believe in the Trinity at all. I don't believe three beings are sitting on a throne in heaven the Bible is clear that there is one throne & one who sits on the throne.
Jews & Muslims alike agree that there is only one God it's only Christuans who would agree that there is a mono-polytheism going on one God three people which the Bible never stated
@@viviennebaptiste you're not Orthodox. Your denial of the Trinity is absolute anathema in the actual Orthodox Church. Shame on you.
@@viviennebaptisteyou’re not orthodox if you don’t believe in the trinity lol
@@viviennebaptisteNot Orthodox and any non-Trinitarian theology is anti-Biblical and ahistorical.
Your blessing, Fr. Peter. Would you be able to answer this question? -- St. Iakavos of Evia prayed for a young Bartholomew to become the patriarch. The book ('In the Garden of the Holy Spirit') never explained why he determined this was God's Will. Why would a saint such as St. Iakavos want him to become patriarch? What did he see? Thank you. Good strength.
Whatever the situation, we have to remember to be ceaseless in our prayers and not turn to schism as some in the comments seem to suggest.
THEY commit schism if they embrace another doctrine than the Catholic Apostolic one.
If the Patriarch has preached heresy and is living that heresy, then he has created a schism himself. If people leave his “church” then they are saving themselves FROM the schism.
Nothing new under the sun. The Church has always had to fight against Monks, Priests & Bishops who have strayed from the truth. This battle will continue until the second coming of our Lord.
It seems obvious that if the EPs claim is true then we should all convert to Roman Catholicism. This is self refuting.
I am Catholic and when I see how worried the orthodox act when close to Catholics, I chuckle it's almost feels like a how protestant react.😂
There is so much chaos and wickedness in the world today, we can only rely on the Holy Spirit to guide us through this life. If the world is so evil today, I can't imagine how evil it will be during the seven-year tribulation period.
Oh boy,
Who’s gonna tell him?
@@johngarza124 Who"s gonna tell who what?
@@davidmaligo5647What are talking about 7 year tribulation? If this has to do the rapture doctrine, the rapture is false.
@@LadyMaria No, not the rapture. I don't believe in the rapture either. I was talking about the seven-year tribulation period from the time the Antichrist makes his public appearance in Jerusalem until the time Jesus Christ comes back to destroy him.
First without equals theology among power hungry bishops literally caused the first schism back in 1054 LORD have mercy
our power has been stolen from us. Our Axios used to mean something, but we let the bishops have complete control.
As in protestant praxy.
Recently reposed Elder Ephraim, from the video on YT "Geronda Ephraim of Serai (†March, 2023): we want Orthodoxy!"
"The now reposed, holy Elder (St) Ephraim of Katounakia once said: 'Even if St. Mark of Ephesus has signed, agreeing for the union, along with all the others, the laity would have strongly reacted, and voided these signatures ... all the laypeople of Constantinople!' Not even one bishop would remain on dry land but they would be carried away into the Bosphorus - what traitors! What do they think Orthodoxy is? Some sort of negotiated bargain of their own?...
Wait and see when they all [the laity] decide to resist, then they'll be in charge and this needs to happen...
There will be a bastardization in contemporary Orthodoxy and it's people - a spiritual idiocy; they will be diluted, contaminated. What will happen? A more dynamic and reactionary course of action needs to take place. So since these decisions were made about the heterodox, this has deeply saddened us, very, very much! Many more false synods are bound to follow after Kolymbari, when and where, we do not know..."
- Elder Ephraim of St. Andrew's
Thank you for speaking out against this Greek papalism... Or more accurately, Phanariot papalism.
I am Russian Orthodox and I know there are many good Greeks who are not given a voice by the EP, GOC, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Cyprus. They ought to differentiate themselves, the Orthodox Greeks, from the Papist Phanariots.
Before we get on our high horse, let's recall that the Patriarch of Moscow exercises a level of power within the Russian church (that all his decisions are rubber-stamped by the synod notwithstanding) that is essentially equal to the pope's. He is an ecclesiastical Tsar. The only difference is he makes no pretense to universal jurisdiction -- but then again the ROC alone includes the majority of professed Orthodox Christians in the world anyway and has set up parallel structures across the world in direct violation of the canons. (Including most recently in Africa.)
@@ExVeritateLibertasThe Greeks have done the same in setting up parallel jurisdictions.
Orthodoxy is not Anglicanism. Patriarchs are not equal to auxiliary bishops. Do you deny this?
GOC are schismatic
I'm sorry if I have to say that also but since Moscow cut off communion with the rest of the Patriarchates, another schism has been created
As I understand it, this "new ecclesiological concept" was condemned by the Sacred Bishops' Council of ROC in 2008. They brought 6 charges against Ecumenical Patriarchate but also added that final resolution can be only received at an Ecumenical Council. You can get more information in the resolution of that council ("On the Unity of the Church")
How do we forget humility again and again?
Before condemnation should it not be asked if Patriarchate Bartholomew endorsed this? The devil is cunning and gifted in turning brother against brother...
No condemnation ... but Bartholomew wrote to me many moons ago, after I converted asked him questions, about restoring communion with Rome, but to do that I pointed out he must put it to the rest of Orthodoxy. Instead he had a council of his own.
He's not the one behind this, the devil who convinces Him to do this is.
Pray for his soul
@@katherine3486 which council "of his own" are you referring to?
@@metrab8901 "to do this"... What exactly is "this" that he did?
@@MrSilver2nd he calls for unity with heretics for the sake of globalism and 'coexist' ecumenism. This is truly heretical and anathema.
Fr. Peter, why don’t the other patriarchates call a council to deal with Patriarch Bartholomew? Why let it fester so long, create further schism and confusion among the faithful. Is there a reason they refuse to act?
Many. Many.
@@OrthodoxEthos Can you please expand on that a little?
Μy name is Vanna Tsiorva. I am Greek living in Greece. All very well said. BUT, how do you react to such heresies? Did you declare in written, and publicly your disruption of communion with the metropolitan, to whom you answer and who may commune with him??? This is called Ιεροκανονική Αποτείχιση. Search about it, do it and preach about it. This is the ONLY way to be and stay in Orthodoxy and in the Church of Christ.
It is easier in the US and other such territories as we can move to a more faithful jurisdiction. My heart goes to you. 🤗
What a tragedy taking place within the Church that Christ promised the Gates of Hades will not prevail! My dear brethren, peace upon you and mercy upon this chief of sinners.
Look, Elder Paisios is correct, if we workout our own salvation with fear and trembling, then that little part of the Church is brought back into the Light of The Way. It is a tragedy when we allow our passions to take control of us, and then claim it is righteous indignation. "Blessed or the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God." All governments are permitted by the mercy and grace of God, or a punishment to a people who have turned their backs on Christ an His Church...but we are not allowed to dictated the end of a man; that is the real sin.
The Earth is filled with violence, chaos, hate, distrust, envy, sexual perversions of all kinds, and the attack The Church is intensifying, and we are in a battle that we are told that our weapons are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds, and casting down imagination and every high thing (person, place, or thing) that dares to exalt itself against the knowledge of God.
What are those weapons? They are found listed in the New Testament, the book of our Church. Love, peace, kindness, longsuffering, goodness, forgiveness. Upon these things are we to think and on these things we need to repent as the state of Earth and all on it is mad opposite.
Our weapons are found withing the Mysteries of the Church, and its fullness. We don't need anything else but to preach the Gospel to those in positions of power, or to the saint who is just trying to make ends meet. If we do anything less, we will fail.
If the Church is so weak that the Gates of Hades will prevail, I get it. But Jesus our Brother King (He calls us brethren), said that the Gates of Hades will NOT prevail. So let's live our lives like Elder Paisios asks us to do, as Christ told us to do; it isn't being apathetic, it is being a follower of The Way, The Truth and walking in The Life.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on this terrible sinner!
If ANY patriarchate could claim to be the "first among equals" or the birth-giver of Churches, it would be Antioch, not the Phanar. "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch." - Acts 11:26
However, NO patriarchate is above another. Orthodoxy is conciliar. We don't need a "pope of the East".
Well said. When the secondary primacy of honor was given to the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the Bishop of Rome at the time's only concern was why is it not Antioch. Of course the reason is that Constantinople was the new Seat of the Emperor of the Ecumene, like Rome was before it moved. But, that is gone now so maybe Antioch should have primacy of honor. I don't know.
If the Patriarch is no longer in communion with the ROC, persists in his heresy with the on-going schism, are the believers under him, such as those ordinary Orthidox Christians in the Byzantine church, still considered true Christians and still on the path to salvation?
I think the EP gets quite a bit of money from the US government
Like kirill is funded by putin?
“And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD. And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.”
- 1 Samuel 8:5-7
I love how Orthodox Church opposes papal authority only to have their own papal authority with a different name 😂
Except it doesn't. You're willfully deceiving or just have no clue.
100 years later, the Greek old callendar has been proven to be correct
I subscribed to this channel hoping to enjoy the beauty and wisdom of the Orthodox Church but the more I watch, the more it appears that this channel is obsessed with the Catholic Church.
You can watch other channels. Nobody is keeping you here.
@@FREEMAN.... It is necessary for us to know and understand roman chatolic heresies, so that we are capable of understanding even greater heresies like ecumenism and keeping our souls protected from it.
Please do a video on elpidiphoros and Alexander Golitzin
Papal Protestantism? You understand neither of them, nor the actual history of the Church). Go reread the decree of the Council of Ephesus deposing Nestorius. Go reread the letter of St. Agatho that was received by a decree of the 3d Council of Constantinople with their statement, "Peter has spoken through Agatho."
Excuse me, where and when did the Ecumenical Patriarch make all these statements? You keep saying some people say, who exactly says these things?
That use of the Gospel of Saint John struck me as the most shocking thing ever heard in Orthodox circles. Beyond weird.
Unfortunately he is currently a heritical bishop of the church at the moment.
He is in communion with all the heritcal bishop.
The time has come to up the15 canon of Fotios the Great second synod
Will Bartholomew be judged harshly on Judgment Day?
When I saw the title I thought it was talking about the pope, but this isn't too far away.
It´s actually really the same theology. It´s impressive how they could come up with this.
I do believe the only person who is "first without equals" would be the Roman emperor, and in the absence of one, of which, we've not had an emperor for about 600 years (depends on you feel about the Ottoman and Russian claims) I would say there is only room for "first among equals."
Patriarchs come and go, some are Saints some are not. The faith is continuing through key saintly people the Lord provides. Polemic from some Orthodox newcomers who pride themselves as being more Orthodox than others who kept the faith through centuries of ethnic cleansing in many places, should rethink their condemnation via ubber intellectually.
The Greco-Russian Protestants seem to be boot-strapping their way into Catholicism 😂
Background music at the end please?
Oh Kyrye Isouse Christe eleison to patriarka Bartalomeus Oh Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on Patriarch Bartolomeos and give him repentance
There is no head of the Church except christ. That's what all these denominations need to realize. This behavior is why we're hated. Lord, Lord did we not cast out demons in your name, & do miracles in your name? Begone from me you lawless ones, for I never knew you. All of you run people out if the church, you gossip, you condemn & judge. The lord already said those who are first will be last, & those who are last will be first. The lukewarm God will spew out of his mouth.
Who are these "certain theologians and bishops"? Has Patriarch Bartholomew indicated that he agrees or approves of their claims that contradict what he said in 1995?
First red flag was not allowing Religious Exemption for something that caused more harm to the body, the Temple of God, than it helped. CVD19VXN
Second Red flag is following the Pope of Rome in this move to say such as this video is addressing.
The devil is working hard to "lead astray, even the elect."
Lord Have Mercy.
An heretic church cannot provide salvation and hope. The church must return in the faith of Apostels and Fathers that made sanctions in favor of Christ and believers.
I'm wondering when someone will make a video about corruptions, persecution and nationalism under the Moscow Patriarchate.
You are absolutely either a sanctimonious liar or live under a rock. He literally was paid by the CIA. YES. I am saying it to your face. He was for literal fuck's sake visited by mike pompeo more than the country of China!
Everything you just accused the ROC of doing is being done by the schismatoc ukrainian churches and you have NO problem with it. NOTHING. The Tradition(yes, with capital T) of calling the third rome "holy" goes back to the times of Seraphim of Sarov; and the connection of the church with secular STATE (not government) runs deep in orthodox tradition and is absolutely scriptural too.
You hate Russia and Russians, you don't love orthodoxy.
You want Russians dead way stronger than you want the bride of christ alive.
You will not prevail against the gates of heaven. Christ is king. You are not.
I compell you to leave my brother in christ.
Say your prayers brother for salvation is always near.
He may be losing his mind. Dementia?
He's really not THAT old (born in 1940). But maybe he's surrounded by "theologians" & others aligned with the WEF goals of "one world government, one world religion," and just doesn't have the strength to push back. Who knows? In any case, the Church has weathered MANY controversies & heresies throughout the centuries, and is still here.
Nothing new. This has been happening in the church for hundreds of years. The doors of Hades shall not prevail over the church! Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit! Now and ever and unto the ages of ages. Amen!
I have a question: If the gates of Hades cannot prevail, then how is it that ecumenism has been infecting the church for so long? I would say that it looks like the gate ARE prevailing, honestly. If it were a cancer in a human body and it got progressively worse and was a bout to kill the body, I’d say the cancer was prevailing. Something NEEDS to be done! Where are all the bishops? Why are they letting this happen to the church?
If you look closely you can see the Archbishops of Constantinople's horns. May the Lord help the other Bishops and guide them to remove this dictator and destroyer of Orthodoxy.
When one hangs out with the antichrist too much, he begins to smell like him. Lord have Mercy.
How can we belong to a church when Archbishops change things like this. I went to a Greek Orthodox church for a wake and the priest mentioned that there’s no hell I couldn’t believe what he said what a liar and hypocrite
Maybe you misheard.
Serious question from a Roman Catholic, who is educated at Notre Dame in Theology. Had to mention that so you are aware I can handle deeper theology. Don’t feel you have to stay on the surface.
How do y’all address the keys given to Peter who yes, went to Antioch and then was Martyred in Rome?
I could never find a reasonable explanation from the EO and therefore chose Rome over Constantinople.
I also feel the East gives Rome too much power, even more than we give The Pope in terms of infallibility. He’s the unifying Bishop, and is essentially the referee when issues and matters arise in Doctrine.
In truth, I just see y’all excommunicating one another and in schism here and there. It didn’t end with Rome.
Not looking for slander, which is what I typically get from other posts.
As best as I understand it, at one time the Bishop of Rome was considered as 'first among equals', his tomes were read in council and his judgement was sought in controversy (as in Polycarp journeying to Rome).
First among equals did not seem to be enough, although as late as 800AD the Creed was written in silver in the correct form.
It seems at some time after this the primacy of honor was misled to a primacy.
God Bless.❤
Edit: It seems James had more authority in the early church?
The Church Ecclesiology series on this channel explains everything. It is why I chose Orthodoxy over Papalism.
And what you see isn't the reality. There aren't schisms left and right. The issue between the MP and EP is an internal matter. Rome was cut off, the EP has not yet been cut off.
Your wording might be why you may be met with opposition. We get RCs all the time who come here and slander our Faith.
You have never heard these two words:
AXIOS
ANATHEMA
Sounds like something or someone in influenced him over the years then? . How do you we protest or petition these views? Can he be ousted?
my guess is the freemasons got to him. but that's my personal conspiracy
@@metrab8901 that's a common belief among a lot of people. As the masons always target people in power so they can install their anti Christ in power. I don't understand how you can look at the Vatican 2 Roman Catholic church and say it's the same as Orthodoxy, and tell people we must unite.
Bartholomew has become a CIA asset
@@metrab8901 Not a conspiracy! Freemason for sure.
It would have been good to post the sources of the quotes.
Interesting. I've spoken to a few Orthodox Christians. They all said the Orthodox never changed. Or remained the same since the Apostles.
The faith doesn't change. Men are all prone to falling however. Nice try though.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 I never said the faith changed. As Christians we believe in the truth of Jesus Christ. The way people use and abuse us though, that does have an effect. On us and on non believers. People legit think the "church" of scientology is part of Christianty just because it says: church.
@@SusScrofaVulgaris What are you on about? You are not making any kind of sense. I call you out on your silly jab at Orthodoxy and you come back with word salad.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 it wasn't a jab. Orthodox Christians have told me that the Eastern Orthodox way of things haven't changed since the apostles.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 here's what I'm saying. Christians started during and continued after Jesus's death and ascension. The apostles continued spreading the word. Christians formed our own communities. A lot of us were persecuted until empires like Rome adopted Christianty. Then there was a Chrisindom. Then there was a schism and Rome and the West split from Constantinople and the east. Things definitely changed and the east called it the Orthodox and the west called itself the Roman Catholic. More things changed but our faith never changed.
Where can I find your talk on Crete please Fr Peter ?
Have you ever read the Orthodox Saints who thought it was required to follow the Roman church? St. Maximus the Confessor, when commenting on the manner in which Pyrrhus, a former Bishop of Constantinople and heretic, should return to the unity of the Church, said this about him: "Let him [Pyrrhus] hasten before all else to to satisfy the Roman See, for if it is satisfied all will agree in calling him pious and orthodox…, That Apostolic See which has received universal and supreme dominion, authority, and power of binding and loosing over all the holy churches of God throughout the world, from the incarnate Son of God Himself and also by all holy councils” (Migne PG 91:114; taken from Eastern Orthodoxy’s Witness. Happily, seemingly in answer to your concerns about his titles Pope Francis has reacquired the title Patriarch of the West. To be honest, it's one of the few things Francis has done with which I agree.
There is plenty of liberalism and heresy creeping into Eastern Orthodoxy. Archbishop Elpidophoros in July 2022 in Greece baptised the child of a gay couple, the famous designer Peter Bousis and his Greek-American partner Evangelo Bousis. The child was born through surrogacy. Pope Francis came out against surrogacy and against the trans culture recently, and no Catholic bishop to my knowledge has authorized such acts. Following that there was indecisiveness on the part of the Orthodox churches. In a response to an Orthodox Archbishop stating the unacceptability of such actions, Metropolitan Chrysostomos of Messinia stated: "The proposal of Abp. Ieronymos of Athens regarding the non-Baptism of infants adopted by same-sex couples is his personal opinion, which does not reflect the position of the Hierarchy of the Church of Greece."
But where are the Orthodox now? There is a schism between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. You have no head. Therefore you have no church, you have churches. There is not an organization that has ever been conceived that does not have a head. While Christ is the head of the church he established a temporal head of the church for the purpose of preventing such problems. There is no power within the temporal church in Orthodoxy to call a council, to resolve the dispute between the ecumenical patriarch and the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, and it seems to be more like fighting children than a church. Yes we do have problems in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is not my favorite pope, I will tell you that. I do agree that there have been a lot of abuses in the church since Vatican II, not as a result directly of Vatican II, but mainly because of the social context in the West in which it occurred. But The Pope has the power to put the German bishops in their place and to keep the church united in a much more effective manner than the Orthodox Church has been able to. The much anticipated Pan- Orthodox Council of 2016 amounted to a lot of infighting and disagreement and really resulted in nothing, except for some Orthodox claiming that the ecumenical patriarch was trying to act like a pope. Furthermore the Russian Orthodox Patriarch has declared the Russian attack on Ukraine as a holy war. He has claimed sole jurisdiction in Ukraine. I don't see anything like this happening in the Catholic Church.
The Orthodox Church or churches accepted the Filioque for use by the Western Church, as a response to heresy denying the divinity of the Holy Spirit in the seventh and eighth centuries. Sometimes it was an issue, sometimes it wasn't. Yet, one cannot read the farewell dialogs in John 15 and 16 without recognizing that it is a valid understanding, especially when the Catholic Church has acknowledged that the source of the Holy Spirit is the Father and procession, when it comes to Christ, does not mean as the source, but it would accept the understanding of proceeds through the Son. When Jesus breathed on the disciples and said, “receive the Holy Spirit" seems like a slam dunk to me. Now could it have been handled differently? Yes, that's a different argument. In fact, at the time of the schism in 1054 no one on either side thought it would be permanent. There was great cooperation during the initial crusades and the continued schism was political more than religious. Attempts at reunification happened and even when agreed to by the bishops of the entire eastern church ended up being negated by one Eastern bishop. If the pope had done that you would claim invalid primacy, yet if a single bishop does that in the east it's okay?
Similarly, the Orthodox constantly claim heresy when the Western Church defines anything. Purgatory is a heresy. Yet the Orthodox Church maintains that there is a place or state of purification where the soul will benefit from prayer. Original sin the way Catholics explain it is heresy to them. The Orthodox maintain that original sin brought death and separated man from God. Catholics of course would not disagree. Simply a different understanding based upon culture but with the same result. Now, if the Catholic Church had stated that Jesus was the source of the Trinity or abrogated the order of the Trinity, that would be a different story. If the Catholic Church denied the divinity of any members of the Holy Trinity, denied baptism, denied holy orders, denied the requirement of faith and works for Salvation, or denied any number of dogmatic principles that are agreed upon by the East and the West then I would understand. The Orthodox will resort to “it's a mystery” When they want to refute a Catholic definition.
But the Orthodox argue about terminology, or the attempt to use a word to define something. For instance, the Orthodox believe that the bread and wine are transformed into the body and blood of Jesus. The Catholics believe the same. Yet, add the word transubstantiation and the Orthodox cry heresy. It is simply a word that the West used to define a transformation that was taking place. Such is the difference I guess between the East and the West culturally. But it is not a cause for schism. Especially not when considered in the light of the paragraphs below.
I would like to reference the Jerusalem Synod of the Orthodox Church of 1672. The beliefs as stated are identical to those of the Catholic Church. In terms of the Eucharist: "Further, that in every part, or the smallest division of the transmuted bread and wine there is not a part of the Body and Blood of the Lord - for to say so were blasphemous and wicked - but the entire whole Lord Christ substantially, that is, with His Soul and Divinity, or perfect God and perfect man. This is just an example., transmuted, not transubstantiated, so one is okay and the other is Heresy. But wait, it gets better. A little later in the paragraph it reads: "the bread of the Prothesis* set forth in all the several Churches, being changed and transubstantiated, becomes, and is, after consecration, one and the same with That in the Heavens." Oh my goodness, the word transubstantiated. The difference in the word is only a difference in the tense. So how is it now a heresy if the Orthodox church never changes its teaching?
Now let's get to that pesky purgatory. That same council said the following: "And the souls of those involved in mortal sins, who have not departed in despair but while still living in the body, though without bringing forth any fruits of repentance, have repented - by pouring forth tears, by kneeling while watching in prayers, by afflicting themselves, by relieving the poor, and finally by showing forth by their works their love towards God and their neighbor, and which the Catholic Church has from the beginning rightly called satisfaction - [their souls] depart into Hades, and there endure the punishment due to the sins they have committed. But they are aware of their future release from there, and are delivered by the Supreme Goodness, through the prayers of the Priests, and the good works which the relatives of each do for their Departed" Ok, so they don't call it purgatory. And a descripcion of exactly what the Catholic Church teaches is called heresy because it is called purgatory. The fact is the hypocrisy of the Orthodox Church is glaring.
Now, you are concerned about heresy regarding the above issues, which I have shown are really non-issues. Let's look at another issue. I believe you at some point in this video or another discuss Hesychasm. Let's look at the writings of St Gregory Palamus. We are not talking about the procession of the Holy Spirit here. We are talking about the very nature of God. He separates God's Essence from his Energies in a way that goes against the Council of Nicaea. Against opposition he also describes the Essence of God lying above and a divinity or Godhead that is lower. If this is not absolute heresy I don't know what is. He also stated that those who have obtained spiritual and supernatural grace have become entirely God. He went so far as to say that those who attain it become uncreated. This even caused the chief opponent of his, who wrote against papal primacy, to convert to Roman Catholicism and become a Catholic Bishop. Yet despite this obvious heresy the Roman church has not condemned Orthodoxy for it. Why? Because despite differences in understanding these are teachings which although heterodox will not affect the salvation of the souls of the faithful. Neither will the filioque. And that is a lot more in keeping with traditional Catholic Orthodox thought than St Gregory.
Nobody is reading you diatribe.
Algorithm boost.
You keep picking on this powerless old man while you say nothing about the greedy war worshipper Kirill and his bandits. To remain in the Spirit of Truth one has to speak the truth. "Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."
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I’m new to orthodoxy and didn’t fully understand all of this. I still don’t fully understand all of it. The church I go to is part of the EP. I’m just starting to find my groove in my church and I like my pastor and the people. What should I do? My initial reaction is to look past the squabbles of men and focus on Christ, but I also don’t want to actively follow in the path of heretics. Any ideas?
interesting that Father Peter Heers would not address this issue that you are pointing to, at least in this video... in my humble opinion, your situation is what all neophytes to Orthodoxy, including myself, must come through when confronted with issues such as this. And although Fr. Peter is of course correct, this cannot but produce confusion in the hearts of many. I personally am in communion with the so-called "official" (i.e. the One) Orthodox Church despite accusations such as this, as I have felt that And I believe So I've prayed to God in the past and he has kept me in my Church, with my spiritual father. To Fr. Peter: I think 95% of Orthodox people who go to Church regularly know and understand the meaning of being "first among equals" - but many, many more are confused as to what to do with this information. This is the big topic here, Ft. Peter, in my humble opinion. Truly, the schisms in the Orthodox Church are but the greatest achievement of the devil. But, again in my humble opinion, God is giving us these trials to truly test our faith - and he will deliver us in due time. I pray and hope for you, brother or sister, and for all. Forgive me.
"My initial reaction is to look past the squabbles of men and focus on Christ."
Your initial reaction is right. These kinds of bishop issues are nothing new and have been happening since the very beginning due to politics and sin. Don't let them bother you. They aren't our fight. The gates of hades have never prevailed, even with worse bishops than what we have now were in leadership. Pray for your bishops and priests, work out your salvation with fear and trembling and rely on the mercy of God.
@@OrthodoxPhilip Some where in the Rudder, I believe, it says that whatever your bishop is (or believes) that is also what you believe/are. If that is the case how can anyone stay under a heretical bishop. He is responsible for your soul. Why not find a bishop who isnt playing politics?
Peace unto you!!! No worries about the BS and the politics... Your local church is the right place for you, because each church is pretty much self governing... plus you can attend another Orthodox Church... When COVID hit my Greek Church had draconian rules!!! Went to an Antiochian Church and found a new home!!! No masks, no distancing etc... That's the BEAUTY OF ORTHODOXY!!! GOD GRANT YOU MANY YEARS
Patriarch Bartholameuze forgotten everything because of the state department connection and after russia invaded Ukrain, he represent main opponant that is western protestant extrem liberal view. He was gain unwanted popularity. And he was also performing very undemocretic authority against russian church. How come he become christ like.
Learn what happened to the Greeks of Istanbul in 1942 (Varlik Vergisi Law), in 1955 (pogrom, rapes, killings, destruction), in the 1960s (massive expulsion of 12000 men followed by their families, ie 60000 people), and think of the fact that according to Turkish law the Patriarchate has to be a Turkish citizen, which means Orthodoxy is the hostage of Turkey. And then maybe you will understand why Bartholomeos is doing what he's doing in order to find support from the West because he knows he can't find support from Moscow. The best thing he should do would be to leave Turkey, but if he does that many wolves within the Orthodox Church will say there is no Patriarchate of Constantinople anymore. A solution has to be found. This solution is to accept the fact the Patriarchate of Constantinople has to be moved to another country and still recognized as legit even if it's not physically in Constantinople anymore. If this is done you will see everything be put back in place.
Patriarch Bartholomew is a godly man.
God bless patriarch Bartholomew!
Only God will judge in the end.
What we know for sure now is that he has innovated, and departed from “the faith once delivered,” and confessed by the holy fathers before him.
@@pah9730 Boohoo he doesn’t hate heretics and he can have a civil dinner with the pope.
Such a horrible man!
@@NH-zi4jrecumenism is a vile disgusting babylonian heresy
@@NH-zi4jr Ah, and the rest of the Patriarchs and Episcopes, monks and priests all over the Orthodoxy are dumb idiots who doesn't understand what is he doing? Dude, Bartholomew is chosen to be Patriarch among some 5000 Phanariotes. It's hard to find proper person among 5000 men to be a priest, not to mention a Patriarch. Friend of mine (he's Episcope) told me over decade ago when I asked him about Bartholomew's actions and his excommunication "He still didn't hit the rock bottom". It was back then! Nowadays, he is ripe to be kicked out.
ANAXIOS
ugghh, its sad I knew who you are refering to the moment you read the title....
PANAGIA mazi Mas olous pantote
Papal protestants did you just make that up ? It's revolting and disrespectful. Roman Catholics is what the church is called
Seems like the Orthodox now have a Papa . Irony
Seems you are confused.
*Citation Needed
Schism only schisms further 😂 🇻🇦🇻🇦
Bartholomew is a saint compared to the murderer Kirill.
This
You are absolutely either a sanctimonious liar or live under a rock.
Everything you just accused the ROC of doing is being done by the schismatoc ukrainian churches and you have NO problem with it. NOTHING. The Tradition(yes, with capital T) of calling the third rome "holy" goes back to the times of Seraphim of Sarov; and the connection of the church with secular STATE (not government) runs deep in orthodox tradition and is absolutely scriptural too.
You hate Russia and Russians, you don't love orthodoxy.
You want Russians dead way stronger than you want the bride of christ alive.
You will not prevail against the gates of heaven. Christ is king. You are not.
I compell you to leave my brother in christ.
Say your prayers brother for salvation is always near.
I knew you just hated russians. You are no oethodox. You are full of pride and scars of repugnant hatred and hateful repugnancy but i invite you to recite your prayers and go to confession and pray for us russians
.... to win the war.
If you can do this, you have remained in the body and blood of christ. If not, be intellectually and heartfeltedly honest with yourself. Read the writings of saint Seraphim of Sarov about national love and then come back and with fervent prayer break yourself and your pride.
Pray for Russia if we are dead in our sins.
Rome is the first seat, Constantinople is the second after Rome. The ancient holy councils teach this. Just read the acts of the first seven Councils.
WHO THE HECK SAID ANY HIERARCHY IS THERE?
The earthly Shepherd who has been given Primacy and Authority over all Churches, is in Old Rome.
Old Rome was never the head of the Church, that is, and always will be Christ - not a fallen-man, what lunacy. The Orthodox Church of Rome, with Pope John VIII accepted the councils St Photios council for over 200 years in the 9th century after the entire Church - including the Roman See, and the rest of the Apostolic See's of the Church - rejected papal supreme authority and the filioque.
St Gregory the Great, pope of Rome, (7th C) calls Rome the See of Rome - not the head of the entire Church and denounces those making universal claims - you have to ignore the words of Holy Scripture and the Saints to justify the RC institution. St Bede (9th C), western great Saint, also calls Rome the See of Rome, ONE of the Apostolic sees - and never refers to the "head" of the Church as the pope. The Council Synods in his time referred to following the Holy Fathers and Ecumenical Councils of the Church, and not the pope - "the Holy Fathers of the Ecumenical Councils."
The 'ordination' of the Roman Catholics cannot even bless holy water - it has salt added to it otherwise it turns murkey. Every generation a new innovation happens which would be unrecognizable to the previous.
Where is the pope as the universal authority in the Book of the Revelation? Where is the pope in the Didache? Where is the pope in the lettesr of St Ignatius of Antioch? Of St Polycarp? In the Ecumenical Councils? Why do they all, and always, and will forever say, "following the Holy Fathers." not the pope of Rome!
Catholic scholars admit now, from 2016 "The way Forward after the Catholic Orthodox Agreement on Primacy and Synodality" from Catholic World Report: "How are we to reconcile the dogmatic fact of Vatican I’s universalizing claims with the now publicly admitted historical fact of regional limitations to the authority of the bishop of Rome in the first millennium?... “the bishop of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over the churches of the East”
The Head of the Church is Christ, and His Body is the Church. The pious roman catholics are not in the right faith. It is a gift from God how badly this institution has fallen in its rotten corpse to SHOW the pious they are not in the right faith.
“They strive to convert and lead people, not to Christ, but to their pope.” -Saint Ambrose of Optina.
Incorrect. There was no Papacy in the first millennium. At the end of the first millennium, the Bishop of Rome began to seize power not his. The 2nd Ecumenical Council was held when Rome was in schism in the 4th century. It was held and accepted in the whole Church without Rome. No Bishop of Rome ever called an Ecumenical Council either. He did not rule in the East. His only job was tie breaking if two Patriarchs or Primates had a dispute. Constantinople also had that. He was not supreme. And all the Apostles received authority. All of our Bishops have the authority handed down by St. Peter, esp. Antioch. The original Seat of St. Peter was Antioch, Alexandria and Rome together. The only reason Rome had any primacy of honor was because it was the Seat of the Emperor of the Ecumene too.
All bishops are sacramentally equal - they confer the same sacraments. The first does not have an administrative equal. This is apostolic canon 34. This is the ancient tradition. Rejection of this is what is novel - see St Symeon of Thessaloniki
This "priest" talking... has no bishop. Why is he acting like a priest?
Honor to new Rome after old Rome, was not merely a place of honor. In order to come to that inconsistent conclusion, you first have to accept that primacy to Rome was never given. It was a mistake to embrace the error in the first place. The see of Rome is a divine office passed on by St. Peter. The nature of this holy see is revealed in holy scripture and reflected in ecumenical councils, Hormisdas formula, the invocation of Rome on dividing matters regarding faith and morals since apostolic times (see letter to Corinthians by Pope Clement).
You've embraced error and echo error. The EP is correct in his interpretation.
How can a priest have no bishop? He wouldn’t be a priest.
You obviously are mistaken. You speak without knowledge of the situation.
As for the EP Bartholomew, pay attention to the video for abundant evidence of his diversion and departure from the narrow path of following the holy fathers.
What else need to be said?
The path is NARROW.
Either you, a TOTAL liar will go to hell.
Or the bride of christ.
Bartholomew is ANAXIOS
Well most patriarchates and the autocephalous churches were created primarily for political reasons and many are very recent.
The church is dysfunctional if it cannot have synods.
I’m confused in 1994 Bartholomew spoke against all these heresies. What statements has he made contrary to these? And please if you can avoid it don’t bring up the Ukraine because if he was wrong giving the Ukrainians back their Church that existed long before Moscow then it won’t stand and it can be restored to Moscow and the Orthodox people of the Ukraine will have to decide how to deal with it.
There are innumerable statements and actions by this patriarch which are contrary to holy tradition, and overturn the faith of the Church in the one holy Catholic and apostolic church.
His recognition of a common baptism, for one, is heretical, for it posits a divided church, or a church that has heresy and delusion within it.
@@OrthodoxEthoswhy didn't you ever spoke on russian invasion in Ukraine?
@@PUARockstarYou are no orthodox.
You just hate russians. Period
Fr Peter is a heterodox Protestant.
No he's not..
No he's not... He's the opposite of that.
Look at this schismatic priest who isnt even under a bishop slander the patriarch of Constantinople.
You are absolutely either a sanctimonious liar or live under a rock.
Everything you just accused the him of doing is being done by the schismatoc ukrainian churches and you have NO problem with it. NOTHING. The Tradition(yes, with capital T) of calling the third rome "holy" goes back to the times of Seraphim of Sarov; and the connection of the church with secular STATE (not government) runs deep in orthodox tradition and is absolutely scriptural too.
You hate Russia and Russians, you don't love orthodoxy.
You want Russians dead way stronger than you want the bride of christ alive.
You will not prevail against the gates of heaven. Christ is king. You are not.
I compell you to leave my brother in christ.
Say your prayers brother for salvation is always near.
“Patriarch” of a small part of Istanbul, Turkey. Religious leader of under 5000 Greek Orthodox Turkish citizens.
If all the Patriarchs are equal than why is a Russian Orthodox Church trying to get rid of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church just a question
you mean the Patriarchate of Constantinople is trying to wipe out the Ukrainian Canonical Orthodox Church.... otherwise you are ill informed.
Got that backwards.
@@byzantine1107 how’s that, don’t you see your own flaw, even if it is backwards it still goes against the teaching.
Chronologically, the Metropolitan of Ukraine was under the jurisdiction of the Russian Patriarch. The Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew and Russian Patriarch, Kirill, broke communion with each other. Patriarch Bartholomew made Ukraine have its own Patriarch, instead of holding a council for all bishops to agree upon, as they have traditionally done.
Per Audio Speech Analysis (ASA), Satan and his demons are leading Ukraine's government and this has spilt into the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, where the Ukrainian Patriarch should have insisted that Bartholomew call for a council meeting. Since that didn't happen, they are under Satan's agenda.
The OCU is not the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, so no the MP is not doing that.. The OCU is a schismatic body of the Pat. of Constantinople that is attacking the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
Lol you waited 30 years to criticize Bartholomew? In the midst of the war in Ukraine? Hmm. Interesting. Reading some claims in the beginning of the video he never defended. Pathetic.
I understand why you are doing this Father. This is actually very sad for you. I hope it's worth it. Anyway, thanks God your standing point doesn't matter much. You did your job, they will praise you in ROCOR, so you can be relax now.
We all know which Orthodox Patriarch is a Pope wannabe. And it's not the one in Constantinople.
Keep up the good work Father, Russia is proud of you. Dasvidania!
assumptions on top of assumptions.
Who is serving liturgies with the Roman Pope? Who is supporting ecumenism?
As much as you might hate someone as long as they are not trying to hereticaly unify with the Catholics for the sake of globalism and eventually establishing the one world religion they are not against Orthodoxy.
Church and State must exist in unison just like in Byzantium. I see no wrong in that principle. The godless rulers of the world listen not to the Church
nah, he kisses with Francis and he is more or less trying to impose his views. The Ukrainian schismatics are ANATHEMA. Da Svidanie, faker.
@@TitvsFlavius @TitvsFlavius The only Patriarch acting like a Pope is Bartholomew. He doesn't care about papism, about ecumenism (Kyril does the same) so he decided to put the whole of the EP under Vergoglio. But for Ukrainian-fan fanatics this doesnt matter... they hate Russia above all...
@@TitvsFlavius Just like Patriarch Kiril said, you motto probably is: We are first Russians, then we are Orthodox. I am sure you have many reasons to justify the killings of Christian people and how your Patriarch defends it. I don't hate you, btw. May God help you. Nothing else to say. I wish one day you can be as friendly and humble as Patriarch Bartholomew.
@@PatrickMetin
Arhondonis is a guy that is no different to Gundayev. And btw, Gundayev is not my patriarch. But Gundayev cares more, as you said it, about his people than the Orthodox Church. Arhondonis, on the contrary, wants to subjugate. Humble? HAHAHAH Don't make me laugh!
He claims ownership over the entire Orthodoxy... he is the same faker as Verg@goglio. I will pray for you, Patrick... not the same of your friends the Ukronazis, who say there is no forgiveness to their enemies and and they do not pray for their aggressors... yeah, ..... so pure...
I would ask for the mighty to send beautiful women to Patriarc Bartholomeus. (!)
He would not be able to resist, because one sin leads to another. He has to sink in a manner so that everyone can see with open eyes. Then “his” flock will run back to the true roots. I ask good almighty God to allow this.
Are you crazy?
He became the eastern pope...
Kirill did, for sure
@@PUARockstarYou are absolutely either a sanctimonious liar or live under a rock.
Everything you just accused the ROC of doing is being done by the schismatoc ukrainian churches and you have NO problem with it. NOTHING. The Tradition(yes, with capital T) of calling the third rome "holy" goes back to the times of Seraphim of Sarov; and the connection of the church with secular STATE (not government) runs deep in orthodox tradition and is absolutely scriptural too.
You hate Russia and Russians, you don't love orthodoxy.
You want Russians dead way stronger than you want the bride of christ alive.
You will not prevail against the gates of heaven. Christ is king. You are not.
I compell you to leave my brother in christ.
Say your prayers brother for salvation is always near.
Too all that call The Heretic Bartholomew as ( first with out equal ) ANATHEMA too Bartholomew himself who dose not openly and privately condemn this statement ANATHEMA a 1000 x Anathema
Would be very interested on your take on Patriarch Kirill of Moscow.
@@jeremytuholski3557Yes, it gives justification to depose them, but according to St Nicodemus, it doesn’t depose them just by virtue of being a canon.
Kirill advocates for war against ukrainian orthodox Christians and practices genocide denial.
@@NH-zi4jrNo he doesn't. Slander is wrong.
In Serbia, we call him "Judas in a cloak."
Coming from a layman under the Patriarchate of Constantinople, thank you for this information...I now understand why the Russian Church currently has excommunicated our Patriarchate. Frankly, I sympathize with it. This is very sad.
May Christ, our Shepherd, the One head of the Church, lead us out of this turmoil.
Christ peace be with you ☦️
Here i thought this was going to be a complaint about us uniates 😂
Was not St John the Faster the first bishop ever to use the title "Ecumenical Patriarch"in the late sixth century??
St Gregory the Great, Orthodox Pope of Rome reprimanded him for using that title as NO Bishop can be called "Universal"...........even though the Bishops of Rome thought they were. But BOTH are recognised as great saints of our church???
Paul reprimanded Peter at one point that doesn't mean that the latter isn't a saint.
Let him be anathema
Anathema to Kiril
@user-yb4xo2vj9m Would you support the EC in their pursuit to joining Rome?
It was foretold long ago that the priests would lead the church into heresy and here we are. Many of the bishops and patriarchs past and present habe been revealed by other bishops to gave been or are freemasons. God help us all
Fr. Peter, you’re inferring that Patriarch Bartholomew has made these Papal-sounding statements, calling himself “first without equals.” When and where did he say these things? Please provide the reference. It’s only fair and proper to do so.
His actions speak louder than any words. That’s the first thing.
Secondly, his second-in-command has sad all of this for years and he never said anything to the contrary.