The Fundamental Flaws of Spider-Man: Far From Home (Feat. HiTop Films)
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The worst movie reviewer ever. Why did you not make fun of the director?
When you said not every spider man movie needs to be Spider-Man 2 and and to be a true Spiderman fan you don't have to like one specific interpretation you earned my respect and attention to watch your video all the way through.
Browntable Maybe watch the movie before making a video about it.
Practice what you preach, dude.
Ethan Gutierrez You’d think that, but the way he talks about the movie proves the contrary.
i feel really weird, but for some reason when he gave the example of the other two aunt mays before Marisa Tomei I got kind of emotional... there is something so touching about the relationship of Peter and his aunt that the new movies really miss...
The new relationship is kind of older sister and younger brother rather than aunt/ adoptive mom and son.
@@moonisusman4072 The relationship between them barely exists. Whenever I think of Aunt May I think of a relative of Spider-Man that he goes to for advice and when he’s struggling. Here, he just holds it all in, and never talks about it, Tobey held it in too but he eventually overcame his struggles, Tom ignores it.
At least some of it was still there in homecoming. I like the scene where May freaks the fuck out when Peter goes missing.
There’s stuff omitted from sally field’s aunt may that makes me cry when i see it in full. She was there for him and raised him since his father, who he’s so obsessed with, abandoned him. After she says she doesn’t know how to manage without ben, she tells peter that he’s her son, her and ben’s kid.
@@elmuchacho3379 not going to lie the scene when she is choking up and calling Peter her boy made me tear up cause she is such a good actress I actually felt so bad
“Spider-Man Isn’t a Disney channel original”. That line.. perfectly sums up Far From Home.
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@Erik Kemeey yah
I really wished they would take a PTSD route with Far From Home, the dude "died" at the end of Infinity War.
It would be cool to show how he's struggling because he feels responsible, but is also being crippled with anxiety, and that would justify his somewhat passiveness.
Why just why
Exactly! Peter should be a tragic character. We should see the challenges he faces that make him more into a better hero overtime.
isnt that just iron man 3
Oh.
Boy.
@@Browntable Yeah
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@@HiTopFilms Free pizza for you and Browntable for this amazing video!
PIZZA TIME
Another thing I love about the vulture is that him stealing the stuff has literally 0 affect on Tony. They are just scraps lying aroudn in his tower that he'll never use. Peter stopping vulture is not about helping Tony, but about not wanting weapons on the street that arguably wouldn't affect him. He chooses to change his motivation, and that is the msot active a character can be
Did it change? I thought it was the same as on the ferry, except this time he succeeded.
Explain if you would.
This is balls on a filmmaker, this is perfectly cheesy, perfectly acted, perfectly acted, perfectly edited. Everything about this scene is flawless, every film student needs to study why this scene works.
lmao where was that from
@@simonegreco1958 one of the shorts made by hitop
@@shutup9505 ooooh right, the Spider-Man 3 dance scene, correct?
@@simonegreco1958 I'm pretty sure it's the new horror short that Hitop made himself which included a girl and her ghost boyfriend
@@shutup9505 oh ok, thank you
Spider-Man PS4 has more drama than this movie
Pizza well yeah, it’s like 10x the length and also a work of art
You say that like Spider-Man PS4 is supposed to be some Saturday morning cartoon for 8-year-olds...
@@NarutoStorm3Rocks Absolutely not, but it's lighter than the first two sagas =)
@@ThePizza28 time hehehe
PS4 Spidey is better than most live action Spidey movies, if not all
Peter Parker is more likely to idolize Otto Octavius than Tony Stark tbh.
"Cough" "Cough" Ps4 "Cough"
@@angeloacevedo5494 haha yeahh
Have you ever read the comics?
@@SpectacularSpiderFan there's a difference between an idol or a celebrity crush essentially
@@vivid119 No clue how that's relevant since Peter looks up to Tony as a Father and mentor but ok
The bus scene is the worst thing in all the spiderman movies
Leonardo Silva Fr that was the most goofy unrealistic scene I’ve seen in a spiderman movie.
@Zane Drake Ok boomer
@Zane Drake wrong
Srikanth Ramprasad The symbiote is supposed to make him more irrational and selfish. Like in the spectacular spiderman cartoon tombstone pays him money to not go after criminals and he takes it because of the symbiote. It’s not supposed to turn him into a cringy weirdo who dances everywhere with a big ego. They made Tobey Maguire takes months of dancing lessons for his scenes.
@@tyy2387 He did the weirdest things before the symbiote got on him. Like that poetry thing from spiderman 2 and also his ego clashed with MJ many times as he kept talking about spiderman when she tells her problems. It actually makes sense for that version of Peter to be dancing like that.
Bro, I can't stand that creators feel the need to include a disclaimer any time they make a video criticizing ANY element of the MCU. Those fans must be the most hypersensitive lot in all of fandom, because no other franchise gets afforded this luxury.
MCU is more popular than most other franchises.
Theres more fans and because of that more toxic ones. I am not that into the MCU but they arent a bad fandom
You act as if Hack Snyder and DCEU fanboys weren't cancer to society though. MCU fans can be stupid but there's a list of fandoms with more toxic people
@@alonsoarana5307 Nah, you don't have to go out of your way to apologize for any DCEU criticism beforehand, in fear of massive trolling and losing subs. Besides, this "if you bring up Marvel, I gotta bring up how worse DC fans are!" knee-jerk mindset sorta makes me think I'm on to something. Hardcore MCU fans remind me of Beyonce fans with the hive mindset, looking down at other fandoms because of the success of their own product, while at the same time lowkey exhibiting the worst traits that smaller fandoms of less successful properties exhibit out of jealousy . Hardcore MCU fans have no excuse. You've won. It's the most successful commercial enterprise in cinema history. Why should you care if others DARE to point out the flaws?
@@lacolem1 I think it goes both ways. Its very successful which gives a sense of pride for supporting it but also insecurity cuz we know that even though overall it has a meaningful story but not all mcu movies are meaningful. Again its not only mcu fans. Weirdly enough, from what I've read, seen and heard from commenters and friends, I've noticed that dc fans actually accept their universe's early flaws but Snyder fans get more angry even when his movies have legitimate flaws regardless of them being dc or normal movies( not saying he's a bad director or all his movies are bad but no one mcu, dc or anyone else is perfect).
Funny when DCEU fans or Snyderfans are considered Cancerous but weren't they the ones who donated for suicide prevention? Weren't MCU fans shit talking the little girl that played Ironman daughter? Hmmmm toxicity at its finest 👌
my sons working together like this 🙌
Proud father moment for me
what is the FilmHub family tree? what I've concurred so far is that Bailey is the father of Mauricio and Mauricio is Alex's dad
@@anthonylamonica4110 I am the father of all
Even myself
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if they throw another Tony Stark reference in the next Spider Man film at me, I'm gonna lose it.,
You know they will
Sugary Heaven lmao their gonna have the villain be a Tony stark industries janitor
Shut the fuck up
@@cybernerdcreations4475 Mop-Man. His Mop is made of Nanotech, & it can turn into a Lightsaber.
Even if it’s a movie late, I hope they finally tackle the fact that Stark shouldn’t really be Peter’s role model, and use it to finally address Uncle Ben.
I hated that, though they made MJ an introverted character who is more than just a pretty face, they turned Aunt May into some weird sexual fantasy object. Literally in theaters, this guy sitting near me revealed a little too much about himself as the camera panned over Marisa Tomei’s ass.
It’s fucked up and I hate that this film did that.
@@igota100inscience9
That's very clearly not what they were complaining about and you completely missed the point. Read it again.
@@igota100inscience9
He's not the one who didn't even read the comment correctly before getting angry and insulting someone.
@@igota100inscience9 Idiots are people who insult people because they don't know how to have a proper discussion.
Mono Kid lmaooo whaaat really? I’d beat the hell out of that guy if he was sitting next to me. What a disgusting thing to do in public.
Mono Kid hey can we have a proper discussion about the new aunt may
Sees the title.
"Featuring HiTop Films"
*Of course it is*
HiTop guys loves to trash MCU Spidey, and he also likes the amazing saga. What the fuck?
@@ma77ias.v he doesn't like the amazing saga. Just made a video about the first one and what it did right
Matias Valenzuela because MCU Spider-Man is trash
@@patrickbateman9458 wow. Spiderman Fanbase is incredibly toxic, just because its different doesn't mean it's "Trash"
NK8 COMPZ so agree with you. This whole spider man fan war needs to stop now
I feel like people think the MCU is flawless it's not people should be able to criticize it
@1Yan00 very recently and even then it's not that much
@1Yan00 I could say the opposite too.. DC gets a ton of hate from ignorant marvel fans
@1Yan00 Yes.. i still have hope that the future of the dceu will be good
I feel so sorry for HiTop films. He received so many insults and death threats in his far from home video all because he said he didn't like it. People are so pathetic nowadays. I mean it's been 2000 years since Jesus died and we're still acting like cavemen.
Yeah. Apparently, not liking every other live action Spidey now makes you a Raimi fanboy. It's hard to believe people use that as an argument and kind of just.... complain while at the same time making no sense.
@@wtfstudios4093 I prefer the Raimi movies, but I still think Spider Man 3 was shit.
@Erik Kemeey well in a way thats a good thing. Maybe this way we could actually get a Spiderman film from the MCU that ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE ONE.
@@hwanniggles187 We do, three in fact, we just got the third less then a week ago today. They’re called Homecoming, Far From Home, and No Way Home.
Even his own comment sections' top comments are making fun of him. Not saying that's a bad thing inherently, but damn. I could hardly find anyone agreeing with him or even acknowledging his good points.
This is what i've been trying to explain to my friends, they're just messing around with the character without being written properly and the plot action just felt cheesy. Thanks for the video mate
As an MCU stan, and especially as an Iron Man stan, I really dislike what FFH did with Tony's character arc. Both IM2 and HoCo already had villains that were based on Tony's shortcomings, and FFH includes as one of the "villains"...the guy that Stane yelled at? So that was already overused, but more than that, I hate what they did to Tony's legacy, especially after what he said in IM1 that he "had more to offer the world than things that blow up"....so he gives Peter Edith?
Even if they wanted to touch on Tony's legacy, there's a pretty clear parallel to be made now about how Pepper and Morgan relate to May and Peter, because making the movie more intimate would have made it a lot better.
@Erik Kemeey did anyone like age of Ultron?
That joke at the end was perfect literally burst out laughing.
Zed yes there was when he called people who get affected by other people’s opinions idiots
Zed I also chuckled a bit, it caught me off guard. Just because u didnt find it funny doesn't mean it's not a funny joke. Like ur comment, I didn't find anything funny in ur comment but u put a laugh out loud (lol) there.
oh wow. people are now bashing smth as subjective as humour too hmm.
Some of the humor in far from home is almost like a sitcom. The actual Spider-Man parts are great though
As someone who liked the film I can say without a doubt this video is 100% correct with many of the points it makes
I really like your story for Flash. Following that momentum, in the next movie, when Spidey's identity is revealed, Flash would at first be skeptical for effect. But eventually learn that even the weakest people can be strong and anybody can be a hero. This is what inspires him to stand up to his parents and refuses to do what they plan for him. Instead, he becomes his own hero and joins the military
That's actually a really good idea, and something I'd like them to do for the character
The pressure on Spider-Man 3 just got real.
Another problem with making both Vulture and Mysterio guys that just got screwed over by Tony Stark is that you could have just made these Ironman movies.
I don’t think Happy was saying not to be like Tony stark but rather that it’s okay to mess up because even tony stark did. Being a hero doesn’t mean being perfect. But everything else I agree with.
Honestly, the fact that HiTop still thinks the movie is about Peter becoming the "next iron man" says a lot to how little attention he paid or how biased he was going in, when the movies whole third act is about how Peter isnt iron man, hes spider man
I agree that's what the movie was going for but it kinda fumbles it when the only people who seriously call him out on the mistakes he made are the bad guys. I wish it had been a bit more like how Steven Universe handled the ramifications of a certain dead characters actions.
Also most minute change I'd make to the movie to avoid mixed messaging is instead of playing ACDC, Peter asks for the Ramones or something similar.
@@Lynch2507 yeah at first I was "hey it's being a while since I last watched something from him" and I quickly remembered why... when he likes something his videos are great, but when he doesn't he's pretty much dense.
@@biazacha it depends on what he's talking about tbh
Well there's different ways to present an idea in film. First being through dialogue where anyone can say "You're not Ironboy you're Spiderboy," and the other is directing actions which FFH didn't do well. They literally made Peter build a suit like Tony, while his iconic song was playing. It's not good film making when one contradicts the other.
This video literally poured my inner thoughts and I hope writers don't mess up such little yet critical things in the next movies
As much as I don't agree with HiTop's views I don't want him silenced
I just wish there would be more substantial counterpoints
Like, the entire discourse seems to be dominated by him at this point
I find it a bit disheartening
it’s dominated by him bc ppl give him that power. both the fans and the haters treat his opinions as if it was a law being passed and that’s why he is where is today.
@Chandster Well, yes, that's what I think
@@puny2008 Kinda sad honestly. I think it's fine to change your mind when presented with new opinions and data but some people just straight up parrot him
Jay Excl wasn't enough apparently
I mean he makes a pretty compelling argument. I'm not gonna sit here and say that the new spiderman movies are terrible, but you can't deny this disney takeover of the blockbuster market hasn't resulted in some pretty formulaic, sanitized films. Maybe he dominates the discourse here because he's... more right than not?
@@yomama5368 "this disney takeover of the blockbuster market hasn't resulted in some pretty formulaic, sanitized films" some of them, sure. Mostly Disney's owns
"he's... more right than not" not really
And I do intend to make a response video to him some day, with another account
I don't have the time now, but it's gonna happen
Anyway, from what I remember from HiTop video, there are multiple instances of bad arguments (or arguments I could easily counterpoint)
I could give example, but it could be a wall of text
You tell me, if you are interested enough
Why is Spider-Man so tied to Ironman anyway, I mean sure, he recruited him in Civil War but after that why should Spider-Man carry the Ironman legacy or have his place in the MCU when he could carve his own ? Something FFH tried to but ultimately failed at.
While I do think Spider-Man is tied too much into Iron Man in his movies, his introduction is actually genius, from a screenplay look at least.
Let's think about this: you have a superhero, possibly the most popular superhero of all time, start off with two masterpieces, but then have a couple of mediocre to bad movies, and it is clear those who are currently in charge of said superhero don't know what they are doing. At the same time, you have these other people that are using the rules the most popular superhero of all time created to make good to great movies back to back about other superheros. Oh and the superhero that is doing bad actually belongs to the other superhero crowd.
In order to, I guess "redeem" the great superhero, the people in charge decide to lend him to the other guys for a while. How do you reintroduce the character naturally without making it jarring into an story line that has been going on for LITERALLY YEARS.
Spider-Man being introduced through Tony Stark is the perfect way to do it. Even HiTop Films did an entire video on why it was perfect, so you should check that out.
It comes natural given the state of the MCU
The movies made Iron Man the most popular character
Spider-Man was next in line for that role given that he is Spider-Man and Iron Man was on his way out
They choose to address the inevitable elephant in the room
Offscreen he wae the kid in IM2 with the IM mask. But that verbal retcon never became part of the plot. Feigie loved making up stuff offscreen
@@yash_kapoor The introduction is great but that's just on Civil War. Homecoming and FFH should've been more.
@@univeriseman8008 that's not what "offscreen" means
Hitop Is an absolute unit, a dashing madlad, and my personal hero.
Wow. I have never had the desire to watch "Far From Home" a second time after my theater viewing. I felt the movie was fantastic, but could never describe my feelings of not wanting to sit down to watch it again. This video really helped highlight some ideas that I feel I had but couldn't materialize as well as you have here. Great job!
@Erik Kemeey Fun that you ask, I actually had my 2nd viewing earlier this week! The movie's charm and value definitely held up! An opinion of mine that got stronger after the second viewing is how the Dock Ock bridge battle sets the bar too high. The remaining Spidey Villain battles, especially the Goblin battle, have their moments but the Ock fight is choreographed and executed as if it was straight out of the Raimi films. It was intense and lightning fast, just as Spidey fights should be. Everything else feels too tame by comparison
@Erik Kemeey Oh damn, hahaha. Oops, I have still not rewatched Far Away from Home and have no desire too.
YES! FINALLY! Now you can stop being so negative about this fucking movie. You label them well and I love you, but please don’t become what HiTop has become. He’s just become such a pessimist and it’s hard to watch him now, and he was my favorite RUclipsr. Having an opinion is fine, making a video is fine, but don’t let an opinion become your quirk. Alex thinks him not liking MCU Spidey is so fucking cool. It’s not, now I’m sad. I love you man.
My boy HiTop Alex made one of the best moments in ALL RUclips history.
Another girlfriend of Alex detected.
@@MsHugeman69 But he's still right
Damn aunt may from Raimi movies is so good.
I'm always avoiding Hitop Films videos, and now he sneak into Browntable. Fuck
When Alex appeared and the background music played i got shivers, i love the TNAS intro so much.
I think peters goal should have been to prove that he is the next tony stark but through the movie he figures out that he can be his own hero
“Spider Man”
That was kinda Homecoming though.
That was more HoCo
FFH is about toxic expectations
TANUKA GUPTA Thats already done in homecoming
This was a cross over I didn't know I needed
I will never ever forgive Marvel for having the tombstone read “Anthony Edward Stark” instead of “Benjamin Franklin Parker” in that illusion scene
To be fair mysterio didn’t know who uncle Ben was
Great video chad! I love whenever you talk about Spider-Man because he is and will always be my absolute favourite character in all of fiction
In the original scene of civil war, no one laughed after Tony said BARF but on some other joke.
Beck remembered the BARF being laughed at.
Thus, Stark would have fired him because he was actually mentally unstable.
This is further confirmed by him threatening his employees, willing to kill and how he takes advantage of Peter's insecurity.(and also fools trick fury).
Although your plotline of far from home is definitely better.
(i guess MCU didn't want another drama after endgame maybe that's why ant man and the wasp was also light hearted after infinity war).
There should’ve been a scene midway of Peter realizing tony was a piece of shit and caused all this and then it ends with him realizing that no one is perfect and he did the best he could
fr. i need a scene where peter really sees some of tony’s faults and doesn’t praise him so much
This movie had great power, but lacked great responsibility.
Brilliant sum up
@@ATalesTruth- Thank you.
Marvel: "Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover of all time"
Browntable and Hitop: *hold my popcorn*
Best Alex Spidey speech. Period.
Given how they wrote brad and how he got around him, I wonder if they’re setting him up for the symbiote or if his character is just a waste
"it also means that Tony Stark gave Peter Parker a satellite full of-" ad pops up "33 GRAMS OF PROTEIN"
I freakin died🤣
MCU Spidey fans: “Garfield’s sucks because he stole his webshooters equipment from Oscorp and didn’t technically build it his own.”
MCU Spider-Man: *has all tech and shit made by Tony Stark and can barely unlock a coded door without the help of an AI*
Except you’re lying. Because in the MCU, Spider-Man doesn’t have all his tech made by Tony. That’s just a flat out lie.
Ryan Paye he literally does.
ManWithInfiniteBananas Again, no. No, he doesn’t.
Ryan Paye okay guess I’m a liar...sorry I have a differing opinion. I actually like MCU Spider-Man but that doesn’t mean it’s not a weak portrayal
Wes Stewart It ISN’T a weak portrayal though. Not even close.
Everyone's hoping for Spider-man 3 to be different, but you know why it's not gonna be different from this? Because they made over a billion dollars from this. They're not gonna change the formula, not anytime soon.
and that's what fucking sucks, they only care about bringing in big name actors to play roles
I hope Spider man 3 mostly takes place in new York, has mentions of uncle Ben, and has really good heart moments. Ditch the edith glasses and most of the tech in the Spider-Man suit. Just my opinion.
Spartan003 ik fine with the tech personally as there was a lot of it used in PS4.
So you want rami spider man 3?
@@Lynch2507 Always been a fan of that movie.
@@spartan003 lucky for you Kevin feige confirmed MCU Spider-Man 3 is going to be a Peter Focus movie.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 Yeah i heard, and it got me even more excited.
I just like to point out that your Spider sense edit is way better than the "Peter tingle" in the actual film.
Excelsior!!!! 🕷️🕸️🕸️
I loved the part where Peter's pants was pulled down next to that lady and how he doesn't want to be Spider-Man and how he gets drunk with an adult and just hands him his EDITH glasses.
Drunk? He literally drinks juice
I'm not opposed to people critizing the movie but at least try to be accurate to the events depicted
He gives Beck the glasses because the toxic expectations are breaking him. It's part of the theme. It has nothing to do with drinking
Also, Peter *doesn't* want to be Spider-Man
That's the point. Being Spider-Man is a burden to Peter's life. That has been the case for the very beginnning. Maybe now less so, but we are in high-school years, it checks out. He often acknowledges that he would have been better off without the powers.
The beauty of the character is that he chooses to be Spider-Man nonetheless. That's shown in both HoCo and FFH
As much as I do agree with these points, I still enjoy the everliving shit out of the MCU Spider-Man movies. The human interactions, the comedy, and the action in Far From Home specifically is wildly entertaining. Plus, it’s been able to reach such a broad audience outside of just Marvel fans, and because of that, it feels like an event whenever a new one comes out. That’s just my experience though.
maybe im just easy to please but i thought it was funny 🤷🏽♂️
@Cyberdemon Mike better than the comedy in the Raimi trilogy though
@Cyberdemon Mike using an overused meme doesn't make you right but ok
@@DeeFai u keep liking what u like. Don’t let anyone ruin that for u, tho I disagree.
Love how HiTop opened with the TNAS theme in the background
Honestly, I believe the flaws of this character are to be blamed on Disney. In Civil War, the Russo Brothers perfectly had the character template laid out, especially during the little talk with Tony, "If you can do the things that you do, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." In deleted scenes, though they are rather light hearted, they show that Peter Parker does have struggles (he sells his star war toys, but let's be honest this scene is here to sell star wars toys, so he can have money to have a passport, that is a real struggle) While I am still under the belief the John Watts has never read a comic in his life, he still understands that his protagonist has to have flaws, consequences and real struggles for the audience to relate to, but unfortunately all of that has been cut out from the final film. Imagine the very different Spider-Man we would have gotten if the Russo brothers had directed it, only in another dimension.
Look at Star Wars they are doing the same thing they are doing to Luke but to Spider-Man while breaking the lore
@@ATalesTruth- I wouldn't say breaking the lore but more changing it to fit the MCU. While I don't agree with it at all, I still am interested in what the character has to offer. Honesty the only people who took Spider-Man seriously was the Russo brothers which is unfortunate
litty committee I get that and when I say it breaks the lore I mean the time line, Peter’s origin and why if it was impactful then homecoming and far from home wouldn’t exist, the fact tony created Edith literally what ultron was supposed to be, almost as if he didn’t learn anything from sokovia in which civil war happened because he knew he was in the wrong, nick fury giving the glasses to peter a teenager when he didn’t even trust grow adults with simple information, as if he learned nothing from winter soilder, tony stealing technology from someone else while he was defending his own from the government, the snap having no serious effects on the world afterwards, all of this breaks the lore because of the characters were established which they are in pervious films to not do all that which I said it only means the mcu Spider-man movies breaks the mcu’s lore and downgrades Peter’s character and his villains
Hiccup Parker Edith is nothing compared to Ultron. Ultron was made with Loki’s scepter and became so powerful that Tony lost control of him. Nick Fury gave Peter the glasses because it was one of Tony’s last wishes. Even if you think Nick Fury should’ve been more untrusting, he was literally a Skrull in the movie. Tony didn’t “steal” Mysterio’s tech. He used it while Mysterio was still working for him. Mysterio wasn’t happy because tony named the system B.A.R.F. Tony eventually fired him because he was mentally unstable, as you can tell from watching the movie. The snap had serious effects on the world. High schoolers making jokes out of it really isn’t that unbelievable. It also wouldn’t make sense for the movie to start off as sad right after endgame. The way they handled the snap in the movie was actually pretty good. They didn’t break any “MCU lore” in the movie.
Yea Ok Ok for your comment on Edith, Edith is exactly what tony wanted ultron wanted to be from the get go, a suit of armor around the world but he made drones, it was tony’s fault that ultron happened because he wanted to you the mind stone to create a self thinking ai to protect the world, and he left Jarvis to keep running tests even thou he was unsupervised, if he was their when ultron was aware he could have stoped it, Jarvis was doing what he was introduced to do and right when he was going to tell tony ultron was already in control, so tony after learning that a self aware ai was bad what that tells us by make an ai that needs someone to command it shows he hasn’t learned no one should be that powerful, and tony said they would go to peter but he didn’t say when, here is the problem with the shrull argument they have the memories and thought patterns of who ever they mimic meaning yes talos knows what fury should have done thus this is the bad writing, you basically said talos doesn’t know what fury would do no he has his memories his experiences in his mind, he could answer any question fury may know depending on when he took his form, so we must treat talos as nick fury as fury introduced talos to take his place meaning one of 2 things fury is an idiot for even putting talos in charge, or that even if it was fury his actions are idiotic, as peter is till a kid shouldn’t he be given the glasses later on in life when he is of age, would fury destroy the glasses for that lesson of winter solider that captain America said this is not how you go about protecting the earth, as for tony i Agree he didn’t seal becks tech like clam ownership but he had the wheel of what they do with his creation and beck wanted to use it for a different purpose which tony didn’t agree with, beck even said his technology could have changed the world and he regretted that because tony said he doesn’t want to fund it in civil war he used it as an example of technology that could be used but something he will not, it’s basically like saying beck made something to get it of the ground but tony doesn’t want to and by beck trying to fight for his technology being used in another fashion tony fried him for trying to use his technology for what beck thought was just, that’s the issue with this as it’s the same thing with tony and the government, he created a technology that could change the world but the government wants to use it and tony doesn’t want them to have it, in this case tony is in the government position saying why beck your not going to use what you made because now it’s in better use-age as the way you use it is unethical that’s what happened, he is unstable afterwards, his defense of his technology is not unstable it’s reasonable to believe he was being professional about it and after losing that battle he became unstable due that he lost his life’s work would you be if someone took away all that you worked for, as for the snap it doesn’t seem to have even effected the world economically, functionally or emotionally, look at what this virus is doing now but times that by 5 years if not half of everyone was sick, then it were to stop do you think it would all be back up and running in 8 months no because nothing is fixed that fast, if it had been 2 years after everyone came back then yes it would, it’s as if the snap didn’t happen in the world as no one is really effected by it, it’s not even dramatic sad or stressedful to see people who spent years without their family look at ant man and his daughter look at tony thinking pepper was gone, what if she was snapped away oppressed to peter and imagine the effect that would have on people who had that happen to them, think about is Morgan wouldn’t be born and what would tony do, that’s the inback that’s missing, he’ll what if that happened to May thinking peter was gone for 5 years, what if he’s wasn’t snapped he be Older and changed what if that happened to Liz or Michael, of course these things didn’t happen to peter but they should be happening to half of everyone around him there is no drama not need to feel like there was something lost in all that Time, and making fun of it in school where that happened when parents may have had to live without their kids, imagine a kid who can back to that or siblings who grew up without younger or older ones or friends growing up probably forgetting them for the sake they don’t want to have the memory, if this movie were before endgame or infinity war you wouldn’t know the snapped happened or is things are different
I'm glad you guys made this video. And I wanna say I love Spiderman: Homecoming very much as well. While I think Far From Home is not a bad film, and it definitely has many moments that I truly enjoyed watching, it has problems that I don't see people talk about it enough. I'm glad you also covered that scene that bugs me, the plane scene. It seems contradictory to the message that the movie was trying to tell, which is Peter should be Spider-Man, not Iron Man. And I think I want the film to have more focus on his spider-sense as well. I get why they worked perfectly at the end of the film, he decided to be himself, but more focus on that would be nice. (I haven't watched this film in a long time though so I could probably miss something.) Anyway, thank you for this video.
This movie was also pretty contrived. MJ holding one of the drone projectors just HAPPENED to shoot out a FULL PROJECTION of the final elemental monster, in miniature size, despite being a single projector that has been shown to work in conjunction with other drones, at the RIGHT TIME, despite not tampering or touching the drone at ALL. Thus screaming "Mysterio is evil" to Peter and MJ so they can figure out for plot.
I will admit, I loved the MCU spidey mainly because I finally got to see Spider-Man interact with the other Marvel characters and I believe that is where the problem is. The MCU (Disney) plays on our nostalgic memories of the wall-crawler and sets us up with something else entirely, eliminating the "drama" aspect of what made Spider-Man good. After listening to your opinion and looking back on the movies, I can see where you're coming from and from that draw my own conclusions on how I feel about the MCU's Spider-Man. In my honest opinion, I can agree with you; the MCU Spider-Man movies don't suck, but they are not Spider-Man movies. I was hoping that they would go further with what made Spider-Man so good in "Far From Home" but as I watched it, it was a no go. The comedy in the MCU is present in all of its movies I noticed, with the exception of "Captain America: Civil War" which played like a Mission Impossible/James Bond movie and I loved it. Actually, all of Captain America's movies were like that, little to no comedy in them. I started to see the comedy become a lot heavier after "Guardians of the Galaxy 1 & 2. Sorry for straying from the topic but what I'm trying to say is that "Spider-Man: Far From Home" was comedy heavy, destroying anything that made Spider-Man interesting.
Thank you for making this video. I now have a new angle as to why this Spider-Man doesn't ring well with me. I like Tom Holland's take on the web-head, but with the way the MCU is handling things, I don't see this as the definitive "Great" Spider-Man we've all been wanting. Maybe in the future, one can only hope.
agreed, the next movie is gonna be about his identity being revealed to the whole world, so why do i get this feeling that somehow they'll dumb that idea down to another super villain and light hearted comedy? because that will literally be the final nail in the coffin for me
I can already imagine the MCU stans having a meltdown on Twitter
Spidemian this isn’t hating the MCU. These two love the MCU or at least respect it.
@Spidemian bruh you didnt counterpoint his argument
It’s interesting to see you and Hi Top, 2 people with very different views on Tom Holland’s Spider-Man, talk about the same movie in a way that you guys can relate on
This movie was supposed to tell you something important about spiderman, he's lost, Spiderman and Peter are lost, they don't know what they have to do, and this movie was an emancipation for Peter from Iron Man
I'm glad i saw this video, as a spider man fan i think i understand more the character, ideals of spider man
Before watching this video, I liked the film because it has a few details that I love, but deep down, I knew it had so many flaws that idk, I didn't want to accept them.
This video changed that. What an amazing video, keeping it very professional yet very entertaining, nice job Mauricio and Alex! Proud to have my name at the end :')
I feel like you can't criticize Tom Holland's spider-man with out someone saying you hate the mcu
Did I slip into another universe or something? To me this is the best spiderman life action movie
It's your opinion, but the movies doesn't follow the source material that's the problem
@@UnKnown-zj3sy thats also your opinion
You're calling animated action scenes the best?...Ogey
Y'all should do more collabs
imo he’s way to dependent to be Spidey especially when the “Tony Stark fucked my job so I have to do revenge” plot is so overused, this Spidey lacks individuality and independence I just want to see the 3rd movie tackle more about him being able to do shit by himself and ofc more uncle Ben
edit: really enjoyed the movie back then, but as time goes by I see more and more holes on this
Lol Aunt May is such a disgrace to the character in Far From Home
I like this movie but this is fair criticism
I really liked the changes you made to the story. They add so much more depth to the story and the characters. I would have loved to seen something like that.
@Erik Kemeey it was great
I love FFH and even the baby mountain goats scene, but this video is CINEMA. Great job Mauricio & Alex.
4:47 "take my hand, son." "no." *gunshots*
OKAY BUDDY, CHILL!
Love Spider-Man, Love Far From Home, and I still love you guys
All these complaints kiiinda get fixed a year later to everyone's relief.
Fantastic video
I really loved this film, especially on first viewing, and you and Alex make some great points, that I actually agree with, some of them even made me sad that maybe I won't see the movie the same way and like it a little less, but that's okay, not only because they are great points, but also the amount of respect and consideration you and Alex show in this video, respecting our opinions and asking us to do the minimal, respect yours.
Congratulations to you both, this might actually be some of your most memorable and well-written videos.
i know some people dislike HiTop but i love everything he said
“Perks of Being a Wallcrawler” Does HiTop want Peter to attempt suicide after remembering that Aunt May molested him as a child?
mj wanting to be loved if not a fucking character trope. thats like saying peters character trope is breathing
9:49 As we’re supposed to believe the Jazz club scene is bad
It was bad.
A few things "Far from Home" has, that "Homecoming" doesn't... action and enjoyability.
Hightops: Mentions Bendis
Me: BENDIS BENDIS WHY'D YOU SAY THAT NAME. WHY! DID YOU SAY! THAT NAME!!!!
13:23 tnas music, nice
Your absolutely right also!!
You’re saying there’s a multiverse?
"Yeah this guy is an MCU hater."
And *I love him*.
I really hope MCU's Spiderman writers watch this essays. So, they can fix and learn to write best spider-man movie.
HiTop and Browntable - definitely the highlight of my 2020. Dreams really do come true! 😁
If I remember correctly, depending on the material, the spider sense is attached to his trust and comfort. So if aunt may throws the banana at him he won't respond because he instinctively feels now threats. Which would explain Harry sneaking up on Peter in Spider-Man 3 and Peter struggling to see through the illusions because he has residual feelings towards mysterio
While about a third of your points were correct, the rest weren’t.
Peter was not more active in spider-man 2, doc ock had kidnapped MJ and his experiment was going to BLOW UP NEW YORK, seems like the only logical choice was to fight him.
MJ does matter to the plot, the reason Peter shrikes his responsibilities is to date her. Also she does have character, she was a one not a one note edgey girl, she was in homecoming, this movie showed she had a vulnerable side...like a real person. Also she has a motive for loving Peter, she wanted to see if he was spider-man, and fell in love along the way.
Aunt May doesn’t just accept peter as Spidey, she uses him to help people, like that homeless shelter fundraiser...you know, looking out for the little guy.
Peter couldn’t have been quite so poor, Tony/Happy wouldn’t let them go under.
Mysterio is NOT someone screwed by stark, he was fired for being unstable, his work crew was screwed over but mysterio threatened TO KILL ALL OF THEM in one scene, which also proves he is unstable. Mysterio is a big guy pretending to be a little guy.
Edith is totally in character for Tony, Spidey’s original suit had insta-kill, and while that was locked behind the training wheels protocol, that was there because he didn’t think peter was ready. Of course he thinks peter is ready to be an avenger at the end of homecoming, so he has thought peter is ready to kill people well before endgame.
Peter looks up to Tony and feels so much in his shadow because peter, the world, and the audience, are fresh off of Tony sacrificing himself to SAVE THE UNIVERSE.
Other than a few other points what you said was accurate. Peter definitely should have destroyed edith, and that bus scene could be much better the way you said it. However you missed alot of good things the film did, like peter and MJ’s relationship, or peters interactions with mysterio, specifically that illusion sequence, or just straight up get something wrong, like saying flash liking spider-man and disliking peter wasn’t set up, when it was, it was even in the trailers. Another problem is you present something not happening exactly how you thought it should’ve as wholly bad, when it often just happened in another way, or there is a reason it didn’t.
He didn't know about Ock's experiment until AFTER he became Spider-Man again and after he confronts Harry. The point of the cafe scene was for Peter to let go of Mary Jane and focus on being Spider-Man for the greater good.
I get you're trying to defend the MCU films but there is no need to lie and twist things about Spider-Man 2 to fit your narrative.
ericdxfan511 guess I remembered the film wrong
ericdxfan511 of course that doesn’t change the fact that Peter’s power don’t come back until MJ is in danger, which undermines his decision. Also Peter had quite passed the PONR of becoming spider-man again, and doc ock forces his hand. Peter should have been spider-man before the cafe scene, and while the power loss subplot is stupid, a better way would have Peter’s powers malfunction while he’s returning as spider-man, triggering the cafe scene.
Personally, while spider-man 2 is a better pure spider-man film, I find FFH better if judged on its own merits and in the wider context of the MCU.
@@liamtreat5194 His spider-sense went off BEFORE Ock even kidnapped her so how does it undermine his decision to be Spider-Man again when he had ALREADY made up his mind at that point?
Spider-Man's powers in the early comics can easily be affected if he's sick or stressed out. Peter for the majority of Spider-Man 2 was stressed out which is what caused his powers to malfunction.
ericdxfan511 But it was just his spider-sense. He was still without alot of his powers until the (admittedly awesome) moment at where he doesn’t need his glasses. While his powers malfunctioning is comic accurate, it’s still kinda dumb, since it undermines his decision to stop being spider-man, as rather than it just being a decision he makes to salvage his social life, there is an objective reason for him to stop being spider-man.
Both you and HiTop should stop feeling bad about your contrarian opinion. You’re both right.
And the ones who disagree can’t really defend the mcu as it’s all opinions while both these guys have opinions backed up by facts so how are they wrong if the objective true supports them
themselfs just tell that thinking otherwise isin't either, is just their opinion.
I ended up loving Homecoming, because despite MCU connections, it still was a "SPIDER-MAN" film, this was an MCU film and nothing else
In the MCU the love of Aunt May's life dies and 6 (conscious) months later she has a fling with Happy Hogan. Disgraceful
I personally have enjoyed these two films, but I can definitely see the flaws with them, the biggest to me being the lack of uncle ben. Love the video, you both did a great job! I think the reason I like FFH so much is that I remember seeing this in the theatre with just me and my friend on my b day.
Not every single Spider-Man story needs to be about Ben
@Spidemian that's kind of what I meant, but then again HoCo does show the responsability theme
What I really meant by the comment is how Uncle Ben is barely mentioned. They don't need to show his death again, just give him more. I still really love these movies tho. Homecoming is probably my 3rd favorite Spider-Man movie, but that's not important. What's important is that we can all agree that Spider-Man, no matter which version you grew up with or idolized, truly is a spectacular character.
@@thespoderjedi8079 I agree, I just trust Marvel Studios to make a more centered story in the future
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I've had these exact same feelings about this film and people just blast me whenever I say that I think it's a crappy film. I only liked Mysterio, but the rest of the film felt like a Disney Channel movie.
Well for starters the film is technically co produced by disney they own marvel studios which co produced it with sony. The raimi films as grewt as they were just werent good Spider-Man stories. He was too mature in those films. Hes always got an immature side its why he as a character is built upon his quips he uses it as a coping mechanism instead of dealing with problems head on he makes it a joke. Thats the character in his rawest form. That and wanting to do good. I personally feel the only of the 3 live action iterations that fully understands "with great power comes great responsibility" ive been reading comics for 30+ years and tom just feels ripped straight out of the comics. Im glad they didnt show uncle ben dying again but unstead have him just referenced on the suitcase. (Im not looking for an argumen i want to have a civil discussion)
@@Reelfilms1998 But that's the thing. Tom Holland Spider-Man doesn't joke. The only time he jokes is in Civil War, and in his own films, he doesn't quip at all. Not against Vulture, not against Mysterio, not even in Endgame. You can't say that Raimi didn't capture him when Tom Holland does the same shit in his Spider-man films. And honestly, if you read Ultimate Spider-Man or heaven's forbid, Dan Slott's Spider-Man, then you get that immature Peter you boast about.
@@cafeterialoca ive read ultimate ive also read many other versions too like spectacular and amazing etc. and toms Spider-Man quips multiple times in homecoming and far from home for example in homecoming "the illegal weapons ferry was at 10:30 you missed it" its a crucial part of his character that raimi ignored. I love the raimi films because they are great stories but they just arent great Spider-Man stories. Spider-Man stories are supposed to be inspiring. Growing up reading the comics and watching the cartoons the character always made me want to do better. And thats the inspiration i get from
Toms Spider-Man he just wants to do good by people. He went on vacation but he never truly gave up being Spider-Man like tobey and andrew did because deep down toms knows he has the responsibility (i love every Spider-Man film i just feel toms have the best understanding of the character). In far from home the studio made watts cut out his quippiest scenes and when they released the extended cut in imax i went to see it and it made the film even better than it already was. Look up "peters to do list" he fights people in a restaurant and constantly makes quips for a good couple minutes. Spider-Man as a character relies on his quips as a coping mechanism to deal with his real world problems. I understand the issue people have with uncle ben not being in the mcu however im glad that they havent went all out with ben again. I wouldve walked out the theater if i had to see him die again. It would start to become the new batmans parents where he dies in almost every film. Tom embodies "with great power comes great responsibility" moreso than the trilogy that said it imo. Far from home as a whole feels ripped straight out of the comics for me
@@cafeterialoca i never said he was fully immature i said he had an immature side to him. Peter parker is supposed to have ironic bad luck like in far from home. In Spider-Man 2 yes he has bad luck but it makes me feel bad for him that life is constantly shitting on him. In the comics i never felt bad like i did with SM2. In far from home peter gets a dual headphone jack so him and mj can listen to something together. He tells ned to try and switch seats only for the chaperone to overhear it and sit him right by the adults because of his "perfume allergy". He then tells peter he has a dual headphone jack adapter. That is peter parkers luck not just being completely shit on for 5 minutes
@@Reelfilms1998 your opinion became completely void when you said raimi films weren't good spiderman stories, if the worst criticism you have to offer raimi's spiderman is cuz he barely quips, that's a nitpick in the grand scheme of things. And Tom's spiderman barely quips at all, and most of the time isn't funny (such as your example of the 'the illegal weapons ferry' etc) and same can be said Raimi's spiderman, cause his quips aren't that great either, if we're being honest, the one who quips the most would be Andrew Garfield's spiderman, with second place going to Peter B Parker from Spider-Verse, and they're actually funny a lot of the time
"I personally feel the only of the 3 live action iterations that fully understands "with great power comes great responsibility" so imo, it would have made sense for the ending of Far From Home if Peter destroyed the EDITH glasses no?the glasses that are- in his words 'could kill my friends and half of Europe', it would have made a powerful demonstration of him letting go of Iron Man's legacy and stepping out of his shadow *like he wanted* by destroying the very source of all the problems in the movie, the DAMN EDITH GLASSES. but he keeps them, he can't make that kind of sacrifice cuz he doesn't seem to understand power and responsibility at all. If Spider-Man can sacrifice his love for MJ to keep her safe, and to continue keeping people safe(Raimi's spiderman), if Spider-Man can sacrifice his Aunt May to cure New York from a virus (PS4), if spider-man is willing to sacrifice himself to turn off a black hole under Brooklyn(Spider-Verse) he won't hesitate, so why can't Tom Holland's spiderman even destroy a pair of deadly glasses for the sake of other people? because of the sentimental value it holds to daddy Stark? lol
"I love the raimi films because they are great stories but they just arent great Spider-Man stories. Spider-Man stories are supposed to be inspiring"
"Supposed to be inspiring"... what a joke, Aunt May's speech regarding 'there's a hero in all of us' garners more heatfelt, inspiring message then Happy's ' even tony stark couldnt live up to iron man, your friends are in danger, what are you going to do?' shit any day, damn fam have you even watched Raimi's?
"Toms Spider-Man he just wants to do good by people. He went on vacation but he never truly gave up being Spider-Man like tobey and andrew did because deep down toms knows he has the responsibility"
he actually has a lot of wants, in Civil War he just wants to do his homework and look out for the little guy, then that drastically changes to him wanting to be an avenger for status/ego reasons and in the next he wants a vacation and to get with MJ, so yeah i'd like to think he helps people (as shown through out the films) but in FFH it comes off more as if its just a duty for him to help people, not because he wants to, plus him just sorta being passive about it like 'i dont wanna do this, but i'll do it anyway' is so uninteresting in comparison to raimi's spiderman actually giving up because his wants are conflicting with his ideals of responsibility, so there's 'risk', in FFH, there was no risk of Peter giving up being spiderman because the plot line, imo, was pretty predictable
"Peter parker is supposed to have ironic bad luck like in far from home. In Spider-Man 2 yes he has bad luck but it makes me feel bad for him that life is constantly shitting on him. In the comics i never felt bad like i did with SM2"
this just sounds like you don't want your own feelings getting hurt lol, your interpretation of bad luck is slipping on a banana peel, because Tom Holland's version of bad luck is having these really sweet headphones but not being able to share them with the crush that he automatically wins at the end of the movie, the crush that we, as an audience, already knew liked Peter back, so there was 0% any risk or tension in this movie of whether or not Peter would would get MJ. but apparently the likes of Spiderman 2 is just 'too much', but its ok- cuz the comics didn't make you feel bad, sounds like you dont remember that Ultimate Spider-Man issue where Green Goblin throws MJ off a bridge and then MJ breaks up with Peter because she doesn't want to be in a relationship with someone who could die the next day, or that issue where Peter Parker actually gets shot by police (at the age of 15) because he was trying to help,
lmao, FFH is the embodiment of Peter's 'bad luck' while simultaneously gets to travel to Europe, have all these sweet tech, have people who knows he's spiderman and be entirely ok with it, have friends who are stupid and supportive, has the backing of Happy and all of Stark's personel, oh and did i forget the brand spanking new pair of glasses that can expose personal data?? nah its all good, he can quip, that's all that matters to you tho, like quiping is the fundamental thing of spiderman, but its only JUST spiderman tho, not Peter, cuz Peter can't exactly quip his way out of rent problems can he? or relationship problems, or job/highschool problems, which seems to not be a thing in MCU spiderman's films lol
lmao, the OP was right, FFH is just a Disney plus MCU episode first, spiderman movie second, they dont get his character at all
17:51 I needed this
I like homecoming a lot. Far from home was just so disappointing man..
SRY BUT IS THAT THE MTV SPIDERMAN THEM WHEN HITOP COMES IN?!?! THAT SHOW WAS DARK AND SO FUCKING AMAZING! WISH THERE WAS MORE OF IT
I honestly felt like I was the only one who felt like far from home had no emotional depth or stakes, glad I found this and can see many people agree
You’re among Most allies my friend
I feel as though the writers of these movies are trying to make fun of Spider-Man without understanding anything about the character.
Or the writers are subtly trying to tell us not to watch these films. Tony Stark would be the stand in for Disney, and the villains would be all the artists working on these films, but getting screwed over by mandates.