Love the yin/yang elements of Ecaz and Moritani, but also excited to have only one at a time in a game. 12 factions mean we can now have a faction ban phase before the faction pick phase! Let's go DUNE
Faction/character banning is lame. It's only a band-aid for games with horrible balance. It's more exciting to let players play what they want (unless it was already picked by someone else).
@@lastburningit's not a bandaid for anything. It's an interesting layer of strategy over the normal method of picking factions. With 12 factions now you can do all sorts of things like being dealt 2 and pick 1.
Here is a video idea for you Jack; How do you deal with/resolve the Ecaz and Moritani abilities resulting in multiple ways of having more than 2 factions in a stronghold at a time? My assumption is that battles are fought in storm order just like any other territory? Also, Moritani can attack Ecaz and its co-occupying ally, and that ally can in its turn through the enemy of my enemy break the alliance with Ecaz and re-ally with Moritani thus leaving a stronghold with Ecaz vs Moritani and its new ally.
This faction looks pretty cool too :) However, there are some questions: 1. If you play the Ixian advantage, and you discard one card, and then someone uses Distrance to place a card in your hands, do you still draw a new card? 2. Is it possible to apply Karama Stop to Occupy faction advantage, thus forcing either Ecaz or their ally to lose forces? If it's possible -- what happens when there are three factions in a stronghold after the Karama Stop is applied?
1. No: The ambassador tokens are instant, uninterruptible effects. 2. I wonder what the ruling is on this :D my guess is it's like face dancers, can't be karama'd. But adding Ecaz's dial or allowing them to play leader/treachery card is karama-able
@@Jaded_AF I do remember what we did during testing but I am not entirely sure we can reveal just yet? But 2. is definitely not how you do it that much I can guarantee
I just got the expansion and it seems great! I have a question about the Ecaz alliance ability. It says you may choose to have your ally benefit form a triggers ambassador’s effect. What does benefit mean? Does your ally get the exact same effect as you when triggerd, do they get the trigger instead of you or do they gain a part of the trigger. For example if the Tleilaxu Ambassador triggers and you choose to revive up to 4 forces. Does the Ecaz player gain 2 and your ally 2 or do both factions gain 4 free revivals?
Ambassadors: 1. Harkonnen, Look at a random Traitor card that faction holds; it means the choosen traitor an all the discarded traitors?, What happens if Tleilaxu are in the game and you shuffle the remaining discarded traitors for Face Dancers replacement at mentat pause?
Not sure I understand the question. Ecaz gets to see a traitor card that faction holds. In most cases it is the only card they have. For Tleilaxu, they will see one unrevealed face dancer.
I have a question about Ecaz Cooccupy Battle Advantage and Tech Token Ownership. If either Ecaz or their Ally have all 3 Tech Tokens and a Battle happens in a Cooccupied Territory could they choose to have the player not holding the Tech Tokens lead the battle and as a result keep the tokens essentially indefinitely?
Just to clarify the occupy rule. If I was Ecaz and had 13 forces in a territory along with my ally’s forces and we have a battle with another faction, 7 of my forces would be added to their dial as if they were paid with spice and then after the battle, if we won, then 6 of my forces would remain in the territory and 7 sent to the tanks?
Wow that’s awesome! Basically a home-base CHOAM alliance without having to pay for forces. Excellent compensation for an uneconomic faction! Can’t wait to try them out
Ecaz occupy rule says round up in battle, round down forces to remain. but rules Q&A says otherwise - round down to battle, round up for remaining forces. which is true ?
how can you run out of "all 5 random markers" to draw a new supply, if Ecaz token always "returns to your available supply", when triggered? Doesn't it mean that you will allways have Ecaz token in supply and cannot get rid of it to run out of tokens and draw new 5?
Returning tokens come back fave down to indicate they were used. When the five tokens that aren’t the Ecaz ambassador are face down, you get a new random assortment of five tokens. The Ecaz ambassador is always available after it is used.
@@jackredathewarp Thanks for your reply and clarification. This expansion looks really, really great, i'm really looking forward to try it, thanks for your work.
If Ecaz and their ally who are co-occupying a territory win a battle have a face dancer revealed by the Tleilaxu do they have all of their combined forces returned to their respective reserves or just the faction who's leader was face dancered?
@@jackredathewarp What happens if Tleilaxu and the faction who wasn't replaced have already gone during that combat phase when it happens? Does it loop back around and start again? Then again I suppose if Ecaz is co-occupying with their ally then it would have to be either their own or their ally would still have their opportunity to a fight. A very niche scenario!
I would think so. It's a strange bit of action, but this sort of thing is what I love about board games period. My ruling would be that once the battle is fully resolved, the new "out of sequence" battle must be next.
@@jordantucker3834Rereading the Tleilaxu sheet, and it seems the most elegant solution is both Ecaz and their ally get replaced with Tleilaxu forces. The sheet does clearly state "remaining forces", and that will avoid turn order shenanigans as well.
If you played neither a weapon nor a defense, you may add the difference between your leader disc and your opponent’s leader disc to your number dialed.
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It’s so cool to see a new expansion for this game!! I can’t wait to play it - wish we had more players to play with, the game is so amazing
I am so buying it. Genius to add planets.
Love the yin/yang elements of Ecaz and Moritani, but also excited to have only one at a time in a game.
12 factions mean we can now have a faction ban phase before the faction pick phase! Let's go DUNE
Faction/character banning is lame. It's only a band-aid for games with horrible balance. It's more exciting to let players play what they want (unless it was already picked by someone else).
@@lastburningit's not a bandaid for anything. It's an interesting layer of strategy over the normal method of picking factions. With 12 factions now you can do all sorts of things like being dealt 2 and pick 1.
Yes!
I'm coming from a place of hating Guild, so I always want to ban them lol
This is gonna be insane. Very excited to get my hands on this
Here is a video idea for you Jack; How do you deal with/resolve the Ecaz and Moritani abilities resulting in multiple ways of having more than 2 factions in a stronghold at a time? My assumption is that battles are fought in storm order just like any other territory? Also, Moritani can attack Ecaz and its co-occupying ally, and that ally can in its turn through the enemy of my enemy break the alliance with Ecaz and re-ally with Moritani thus leaving a stronghold with Ecaz vs Moritani and its new ally.
This will be amazing!
Any plans for a 12 player version to bring up all of the fun stuff =D ?
After the 9p game we played at GenCon, I am not sure a 12p game would be good for people’s mental health!
This faction looks pretty cool too :) However, there are some questions:
1. If you play the Ixian advantage, and you discard one card, and then someone uses Distrance to place a card in your hands, do you still draw a new card?
2. Is it possible to apply Karama Stop to Occupy faction advantage, thus forcing either Ecaz or their ally to lose forces? If it's possible -- what happens when there are three factions in a stronghold after the Karama Stop is applied?
1. No: The ambassador tokens are instant, uninterruptible effects.
2. I wonder what the ruling is on this :D my guess is it's like face dancers, can't be karama'd. But adding Ecaz's dial or allowing them to play leader/treachery card is karama-able
I haven't seen the rulebook but I don't believe you can karama the occupy advantage at all, or atleast not in the way you mentioned.
@@Jaded_AF I do remember what we did during testing but I am not entirely sure we can reveal just yet? But 2. is definitely not how you do it that much I can guarantee
I just got the expansion and it seems great! I have a question about the Ecaz alliance ability. It says you may choose to have your ally benefit form a triggers ambassador’s effect.
What does benefit mean? Does your ally get the exact same effect as you when triggerd, do they get the trigger instead of you or do they gain a part of the trigger.
For example if the Tleilaxu Ambassador triggers and you choose to revive up to 4 forces. Does the Ecaz player gain 2 and your ally 2 or do both factions gain 4 free revivals?
The ally can get it instead of Ecaz.
Thanks! :)
Ambassadors:
1. Harkonnen, Look at a random Traitor card that faction holds; it means the choosen traitor an all the discarded traitors?, What happens if Tleilaxu are in the game and you shuffle the remaining discarded traitors for Face Dancers replacement at mentat pause?
Not sure I understand the question. Ecaz gets to see a traitor card that faction holds. In most cases it is the only card they have. For Tleilaxu, they will see one unrevealed face dancer.
I have a question about Ecaz Cooccupy Battle Advantage and Tech Token Ownership.
If either Ecaz or their Ally have all 3 Tech Tokens and a Battle happens in a Cooccupied Territory could they choose to have the player not holding the Tech Tokens lead the battle and as a result keep the tokens essentially indefinitely?
Indeed
For the the Alliance ability, does your ally get the Ambassador's effect instead of you or as well as you?
Ecaz decides which of them gets it.
Just to clarify the occupy rule. If I was Ecaz and had 13 forces in a territory along with my ally’s forces and we have a battle with another faction, 7 of my forces would be added to their dial as if they were paid with spice and then after the battle, if we won, then 6 of my forces would remain in the territory and 7 sent to the tanks?
Yes. boardgamegeek.com/image/7674724/dune-ecaz-moritani
Wow that’s awesome! Basically a home-base CHOAM alliance without having to pay for forces. Excellent compensation for an uneconomic faction! Can’t wait to try them out
Ecaz occupy rule says round up in battle, round down forces to remain. but rules Q&A says otherwise - round down to battle, round up for remaining forces. which is true ?
The sheet is correct... the example mistakenly states round down.
What does the karama once per game ability do for Ecaz?
I don't think he went over karama for Moritani either.
@@dateris I asked Jack on the Moritani video and he answered, go over to the Moritani comments for the answer
how can you run out of "all 5 random markers" to draw a new supply, if Ecaz token always "returns to your available supply", when triggered? Doesn't it mean that you will allways have Ecaz token in supply and cannot get rid of it to run out of tokens and draw new 5?
Returning tokens come back fave down to indicate they were used. When the five tokens that aren’t the Ecaz ambassador are face down, you get a new random assortment of five tokens. The Ecaz ambassador is always available after it is used.
@@jackredathewarp Thanks for your reply and clarification. This expansion looks really, really great, i'm really looking forward to try it, thanks for your work.
If Ecaz and their ally who are co-occupying a territory win a battle have a face dancer revealed by the Tleilaxu do they have all of their combined forces returned to their respective reserves or just the faction who's leader was face dancered?
That's a great question! So, only the faction whose leader was a Face Dancer. This means there's likely to be another battle in that territory!
@@jackredathewarp What happens if Tleilaxu and the faction who wasn't replaced have already gone during that combat phase when it happens? Does it loop back around and start again? Then again I suppose if Ecaz is co-occupying with their ally then it would have to be either their own or their ally would still have their opportunity to a fight. A very niche scenario!
I would think so. It's a strange bit of action, but this sort of thing is what I love about board games period. My ruling would be that once the battle is fully resolved, the new "out of sequence" battle must be next.
@@jordantucker3834Rereading the Tleilaxu sheet, and it seems the most elegant solution is both Ecaz and their ally get replaced with Tleilaxu forces. The sheet does clearly state "remaining forces", and that will avoid turn order shenanigans as well.
@@jackredathewarp Oh! That makes tleilaxu a possible counter to a strong Ecaz alliance then.
What's the Ecaz once per game Karama ability?
If you played neither a weapon nor a defense, you may add the
difference between your leader disc and your opponent’s leader disc to
your number dialed.
Do you know when the expansion will be released?
I wish I did. I suppose whenever the big container ship finally reaches wherever.
What game is this?
Dune.
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