I'm now daily driving it on Fedora. The experience is not completely smooth (not so many bugs but rather features missing or configurable only via config files) but still more pleasant for me than on KDE. A DE focused on tiling is something I've always waited for since I switched to Linux.
@@ctpaxru7067 I'm using it on Fedora, and it's mostly smooth. I know some work needs to be done around gtk theming, specifically for web browsers and flatpaks. Only other main issue I found is that cosmic-greeter does not unlock the gnome-keyring.
I also have issues with the xdg desktop portal. It's only capturing at 28 fps, no matter what fps you choose or which screen recorder you use. It's not a performance issue as cpu usage and gpu usage is at close to 0%. I reported it a few months ago, hopefully they fix it if they can reproduce it. It seems like it doesn't happen to everybody (im on AMD).
I made a neat observation: I used a USB 2.0 (a tiny 4gb one with around 5mb/s read/write speed) for the Alpha 4 LiveUSB and it was surprisingly snappy with Firefox being the only exception. It made gnome feel completely unoptimized in comparison. I cant wait for the stable release.
Can someone eli5 why many people are so excited about a new desktop environment? (I am new to Linux been using KDE) is it just because its a new DE and there hasn't been a new one in a while so your all just excited to check it out?
@seventhblessing.7371 that's one reason, people get bored and want to try something new, the other one is users have been looking for something that looks like gnome but offers the features that KDE brings to the table and doesn't take many years to bring new or required features like what gnome does sometimes, system76 has shown they can do what KDE is doing with their desktop environment + a great tiling manager, if you want to use tiling managers you usually need to set it up manually while on cosmic it's already setup for you and their is a floating window mode for users who don't want to use it It also mixes well with gtk/gnome applications as the majority of Flatpak applications are based in gtk It's also rust based which is something people want to use because of many reasons like memory safety etc which means also newer technology like Vulkan being used everywhere on the desktop so better and smoother performance on newer hardware Also a Wayland first desktop environment so they are focusing fully on improving Wayland instead of x11 The main developers are getting paid also which is around 7 or so people last time I was watching a podcast of the CEO of system76 talk about their work on cosmic So when it comes to new features or improvements these have been pretty good as it's their job to improve it And it also means they have to make their desktop work properly on their system76 laptops & computers so when it comes to stability and reliability it's going to be great You also get the customisation of KDE plasma but with a gnome look and you can change it to look like KDE plasma also, Iv been running this plasma look on my laptop for a couple of months now and it's great
@@linuxnext Thank you for the explanation; I understand now. Over the past few months, I’ve learned enough to grasp your points. I’ve heard Wayland is newer and more secure, and it’s reassuring to see a project with full-time developers, unlike many open-source projects that rely on spare-time contributions. I’m excited to see Cosmic as it becomes more polished. While I’ve enjoyed KDE’s customization, I also appreciate GNOME’s aesthetics, so this has my attention. You’ve gained a subscriber!
It would be interesting if you ran some game benchmarks with COSMIC vs GNOME vs KDE PLASMA. I am curious about the Wayland compositor performance. I assume the COSMIC compositor is written in RUST, so right there that will have overhead and will hurt performance. COSMIC though could get popular with the US Government since it has some memory safety using RUST; but the Linux kernel is in C; one problem unless they convert the Linux kernel into RUST.
On newer hardware I doubt I would see performance being hurt, it would super negligible, on older hardware tho yeah there might be performance issues a little ill look into it tho
My understanding is that Wayland doesn't actually support setting a primary or main display, so I'm not sure what the answer is for that. I agree though, it really should be something we can do, especially for games.
@@jzetterman yeah I think the one on KDE plasma is for xwayland games to spawn on the main monitor but even then It has issues of its own Edit: KDE uses kwin rules to tell where applications should launch on what monitor and xrandr which cosmic uses should be able to tell where xwayland games should launch on which monitor Here is KDEs merge for their primary monitor implementation on wayland invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_requests/1150 invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/1563 invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/1630
Seriously hope they also improve exfat filesystem perms for linux so gamers who use Steam (basically all PC gamers) can just, run it and go instead of having to do a bunch of bind mounts to add a SteamLibrary location that actually works.
@@lefteris.p yeah I bet they will add that at some point You can check here for future features they are working on github.com/orgs/pop-os/projects/23/views/1 github.com/orgs/pop-os/projects/27/views/1
What applets would you like to see? Here is the current list of community applets and I saw system76 Devs are implementing an applet category in the cosmic store soon :) github.com/edfloreshz/cosmic-project-collection
As someone who didn’t want to install a tiling window manager and go through all the crap of configuring it Tiling is amazing. I almost always use it now and it’s so much more efficient.
Their Wayland compositor has been around for atleast a year or 2 now and Victoria the main developer of that compositor (smithay) has worked a ton with Wayland developers to make decisions on what gets implemented with things like protocols, these developers don't sit in their own corner, every developer from different desktops like KDE, gnome, cosmic, cinnamon and tiling managers also all discuss for what and how things with Wayland should go So I don't think cosmics arrival brings little help
Ya, I wonder about it, looks like Gnome quite a bit. Gnome is having internal and finance problems; so maybe in a few years it might take over Gnome. Right now, I am some what happy with KDE Plasma for my needs.
im itching to daily drive this desktop environment, nicely done mate
I'm now daily driving it on Fedora. The experience is not completely smooth (not so many bugs but rather features missing or configurable only via config files) but still more pleasant for me than on KDE. A DE focused on tiling is something I've always waited for since I switched to Linux.
@@ctpaxru7067 I'm using it on Fedora, and it's mostly smooth. I know some work needs to be done around gtk theming, specifically for web browsers and flatpaks. Only other main issue I found is that cosmic-greeter does not unlock the gnome-keyring.
Can´t wait to daily drive Cosmic once it's got a beta or stable release
Beta's gonna be lit.
I'd be test driving Cosmic right now if it was a little more stable.
I also have issues with the xdg desktop portal. It's only capturing at 28 fps, no matter what fps you choose or which screen recorder you use. It's not a performance issue as cpu usage and gpu usage is at close to 0%. I reported it a few months ago, hopefully they fix it if they can reproduce it. It seems like it doesn't happen to everybody (im on AMD).
Sloths have been known to grab their own arm, mistaking it for a branch, which causes them to fall out of the tree and sometimes kills them.
they be a bit dumb but that sucks :(
@@linuxnext true
I made a neat observation: I used a USB 2.0 (a tiny 4gb one with around 5mb/s read/write speed) for the Alpha 4 LiveUSB and it was surprisingly snappy with Firefox being the only exception. It made gnome feel completely unoptimized in comparison.
I cant wait for the stable release.
Waiting for the linux grandma to cover this
Can someone eli5 why many people are so excited about a new desktop environment? (I am new to Linux been using KDE) is it just because its a new DE and there hasn't been a new one in a while so your all just excited to check it out?
@seventhblessing.7371 that's one reason, people get bored and want to try something new, the other one is users have been looking for something that looks like gnome but offers the features that KDE brings to the table and doesn't take many years to bring new or required features like what gnome does sometimes, system76 has shown they can do what KDE is doing with their desktop environment + a great tiling manager, if you want to use tiling managers you usually need to set it up manually while on cosmic it's already setup for you and their is a floating window mode for users who don't want to use it
It also mixes well with gtk/gnome applications as the majority of Flatpak applications are based in gtk
It's also rust based which is something people want to use because of many reasons like memory safety etc which means also newer technology like Vulkan being used everywhere on the desktop so better and smoother performance on newer hardware
Also a Wayland first desktop environment so they are focusing fully on improving Wayland instead of x11
The main developers are getting paid also which is around 7 or so people last time I was watching a podcast of the CEO of system76 talk about their work on cosmic
So when it comes to new features or improvements these have been pretty good as it's their job to improve it
And it also means they have to make their desktop work properly on their system76 laptops & computers so when it comes to stability and reliability it's going to be great
You also get the customisation of KDE plasma but with a gnome look and you can change it to look like KDE plasma also, Iv been running this plasma look on my laptop for a couple of months now and it's great
No idea it’s basically like a skinned gnome imo.
@@linuxnext Thank you for the explanation; I understand now. Over the past few months, I’ve learned enough to grasp your points. I’ve heard Wayland is newer and more secure, and it’s reassuring to see a project with full-time developers, unlike many open-source projects that rely on spare-time contributions. I’m excited to see Cosmic as it becomes more polished. While I’ve enjoyed KDE’s customization, I also appreciate GNOME’s aesthetics, so this has my attention. You’ve gained a subscriber!
Laymen's terms since you've already gotten the technical explanation. It's GNOME without bullshit and extra features.
It would be interesting if you ran some game benchmarks with COSMIC vs GNOME vs KDE PLASMA. I am curious about the Wayland compositor performance. I assume the COSMIC compositor is written in RUST, so right there that will have overhead and will hurt performance. COSMIC though could get popular with the US Government since it has some memory safety using RUST; but the Linux kernel is in C; one problem unless they convert the Linux kernel into RUST.
On newer hardware I doubt I would see performance being hurt, it would super negligible, on older hardware tho yeah there might be performance issues a little
ill look into it tho
My understanding is that Wayland doesn't actually support setting a primary or main display, so I'm not sure what the answer is for that. I agree though, it really should be something we can do, especially for games.
@@jzetterman yeah I think the one on KDE plasma is for xwayland games to spawn on the main monitor but even then It has issues of its own
Edit: KDE uses kwin rules to tell where applications should launch on what monitor and xrandr which cosmic uses should be able to tell where xwayland games should launch on which monitor
Here is KDEs merge for their primary monitor implementation on wayland
invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/merge_requests/1150
invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/1563
invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/1630
The fact that they didn't think of such trivial future is wild 😂
It sounds like that voice is being produced by espeak.
Seriously hope they also improve exfat filesystem perms for linux so gamers who use Steam (basically all PC gamers) can just, run it and go instead of having to do a bunch of bind mounts to add a SteamLibrary location that actually works.
Exfat is used for gaming on windows? NTFS is what most gamers use and on Linux you use ext4 for playing games through proton
My number one feature I want is gnome's hot corner.
@@lefteris.p yeah I bet they will add that at some point
You can check here for future features they are working on
github.com/orgs/pop-os/projects/23/views/1
github.com/orgs/pop-os/projects/27/views/1
I'm waiting for more applets to do be added to cosmic
What applets would you like to see?
Here is the current list of community applets and I saw system76 Devs are implementing an applet category in the cosmic store soon :)
github.com/edfloreshz/cosmic-project-collection
I will wait to see if it drops gnome for it's own path before I consider it seriously.
Yes I don't think cosmic alpha would replace pop os gnome just yet lol
Does it have HDR and VRR support now?
In the video he shows VRR works, but I don't think HDR is supported yet.
Only vrr right now, if you watch the video HDR isn't coming till after epoch 1 which is I think around stable release
Im getting close too 😫
Ayo 💀
LOL the robotic voice is worst than Microsoft sam
You really remind me of LOLYOU
🤔🤔
As someone who didn’t want to install a tiling window manager and go through all the crap of configuring it
Tiling is amazing.
I almost always use it now and it’s so much more efficient.
A tiling window manager and Super+h,j,k,l have made my life better!
i dont like 2 panel layout
Ok and you can make one if you like, my laptop has one panel in cosmic
here is a screenshot of my cosmic desktop right now
imgur.com/a/iPKxld4
Too bad cosmic arrives at a time where most Linux features are implemented or close to being finished. Their arrival brought little help to Linux.
Their Wayland compositor has been around for atleast a year or 2 now and Victoria the main developer of that compositor (smithay) has worked a ton with Wayland developers to make decisions on what gets implemented with things like protocols, these developers don't sit in their own corner, every developer from different desktops like KDE, gnome, cosmic, cinnamon and tiling managers also all discuss for what and how things with Wayland should go
So I don't think cosmics arrival brings little help
This desktop has the potential to become the "ultimate" desktop envirorment for Linux, and I think it will
@LinuxIsForAll I agree, it will be up with the big dogs/KDE, gnome soon :)
Ya, I wonder about it, looks like Gnome quite a bit. Gnome is having internal and finance problems; so maybe in a few years it might take over Gnome. Right now, I am some what happy with KDE Plasma for my needs.
@ I think this DE can be the best of both worlds, the look of gnome + the functionality of kde plasma + it's own thing on top
@LinuxIsForAll I guess it will fill some niche out there.