Problem with CC is that its legitimately too basic, and ofc the insane cooldowns the m1s are great but not to outmatch things like pole m1s w mink stun as its mentioned in the honorable mentions
honestly icekatana being in honorable mentions is criminal like that weapon is easily top 5 also starkguns should be higher than boneshiver since the damage output stark guns can create is so much compared to boneshiver, and for stamina drain u prob would have an stamina regain items anyway
Using stamina regen items will cut your ho regen alot making u waste more stamina, more “hp” and more hp regen just to use a weapon with more flaws then Boneshiver, thats the only reason
@@157whis u dont need that much of stamina regen items + hp regen dosent matter if u can deal more enough which in this case 800 points in stark guns is enough to shred somebody hp
Tbh, I'd say that ISOH is the best weapon to use in any build except for sword main. For only 65 points, you not only get the best counter, but also a true combo extender which also can be used to pull an enemy from a far distance. There’s no other weapon that has both a great counter and a true combo extender. Also, the R move does around 120 damage with 65 points in sword, which is great.
@@DarkShadow-su6fy counters dont give i-frames they have counter frames, ace counter, if u m1 aftet using both counters it will work on high or low ping
@@157whis Well, ISOH has i-frames during animation. Counter of ace has no animation and it dazes immediately. For example if a venom use venom hydras and you counter it with ace, you avoid only 1 hydra, but ISOH lets avoid all of them.
ISOH in fourth is criminal, it’s easily the best weapon in the game. You have a counter that does 370 dmg (with 1000 in sword and haki) and the R move, chain reel, can combo start AND combo extend dealing also 300 dmg, I have buddha electro ISOH and I tested the damage, once they use their evasive I use enlightenment and electro fist, once I land the counter I do easily 1200 dmg with only both of the sword moves, and even without enlightment electro fist it does 700-900dmg depending on how many points you have in it. On top of the fast m1s, and how low the cool downs are. Needs a huge nerf.
@@jack33317 I mentioned all of those in the video, isoh is indeed a great top weapon it just doesn’t compare to the ones above ur overrating isoh abilities while denying the other weapon’s ones.
@@157whisIt’s more the other way around, you’re underestimating isoh, black pitchfork elo and ace are good but they are NOT above isoh, the only item that can come close is ace but anything that launches projectiles is basically countered by isoh, black pitchfork, the stun move is great and the m1s aren’t too bad but thats really all its got, elo hammers m1s feel a bit slow but the moves carry for that, but if we’re comparing isoh and elos move set I don’t see how 300 free damage on both moves are beat by 1 combo extender and 1 not always true extender, and Ace again most of the moves you can react fast enough to pull your counter out, its a counter machine. Ace would be the best weapon in gpo if isoh wasn’t. Also how is pcc not in this list😭
@@abcdefabcdef7604baiting a counter is a skill issue for the people with isoh. The counter is more of a threat so the other play has to play passive, for example if ur a mera u cant use hiken flame piller or any of your moves😭Because it will all be countered
@@jack33317 pitchfork E is a guaranteed combo starter at close distance, isoh has no real combo starter because the R wind up is gigantic, the only good thing is the damage on it and it u use it to combo start it will do no damage and Isoh does 300 on counter while pitchfork also has barrage that wastes 20 stam but does 300 damage in 2 seconds
@@Tofy_kirya candy might br better then kikoku MAYBE but everything else in the list is better, also kiribachi only works against average/ not that good players decent players know how to avoid kiribachi easily
@@157whis yea because kamishiki which is the closest thing to a heavenly restriction DHOULD be completely useless with a weapon thats almost entirely strength based in JJK
-Elo hammer e is easy to pb -Ice rapier, soul cane, cc should all be top 5, they all have the best m1s in the game, fast and long reach -kikoku is lower imo, it has a combo extender like any other weapon and the the e is punishable -you overplayed gravity blade, mid m1s, long startups on both skills, you can punish the barrage - yoru is really easy to counter, i think its top 1 for boss raiding but all of its skills are pretty easy to counter all but its counter
It is on the honorable mentions, i didn’t count swords that only get their potential by using other fruits/builds because then i would have to rate an entire build without looking at the sword potential itself
The fact that gpo just normalizes doing 300-400 damage on true combos is stupid, and its not even hard, like Pitchfork, uptilt and R, just this, 300 damage on a player that using stupid high stats have 2k hp. But ok, the real problem is when ISOH got release, lets be real, who made this shit? Counter, true starter, Block Breaker, 1+ second window of time to get hitted and 300-400 damage, ofc having low scale on m1's don't would make it be bad, look at old weapons that is balanced, Soul cane, less than 0,5 second to hit counter, don't teleports, gives low damage and an R that is ok, just 150 damage after m1's, atleast its not ibk that 5m1 + E gives 500-600 damage on 2k health players
Okay look, its not true at all wth how did u even think about saying those lies on youtube now people like monke r1 will trade the yoru they have for ace💀💀 and how the hell kikoku alone is better then kikoku with ope?????????????? it dosent even make Sense🗿
I literally said kiko with ope would be high on the list but I wouldn't rate it because then I would be rating a whole build instead of the sword by itself, and a sword being good for pvp doesn't make it have more value
@@aaooaoaoaoaoo Boneshiver itself is around rapier level but it scales with strength making fighting style ur using do more damage increasing your overall damage build a lot thats the only reason it is above rapier on the list
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Is it worth trading away my yoru for ace adds? I wanna know if ace is good at pve
@@monke-r1e Ace surely is good for pve but idk trade values so trade at your own risk!
@@157whis Aight, thanks for the feedback ill try it. And btw yoru is worth like 2 aces or smth
cc should be in honoral mentions imo, the m1s are insane and R is a true combo extender 50/50. also fwl has insane m1s
Problem with CC is that its legitimately too basic, and ofc the insane cooldowns the m1s are great but not to outmatch things like pole m1s w mink stun as its mentioned in the honorable mentions
@@157whis true, wish they didnt nerf R cd in update 9
@@edniv ye the cd increase on CC R was kinda abusive imo.
honestly icekatana being in honorable mentions is criminal like that weapon is easily top 5 also starkguns should be higher than boneshiver since the damage output stark guns can create is so much compared to boneshiver, and for stamina drain u prob would have an stamina regain items anyway
Using stamina regen items will cut your ho regen alot making u waste more stamina, more “hp” and more hp regen just to use a weapon with more flaws then Boneshiver, thats the only reason
@@157whis u dont need that much of stamina regen items + hp regen dosent matter if u can deal more enough which in this case 800 points in stark guns is enough to shred somebody hp
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Tbh, I'd say that ISOH is the best weapon to use in any build except for sword main. For only 65 points, you not only get the best counter, but also a true combo extender which also can be used to pull an enemy from a far distance. There’s no other weapon that has both a great counter and a true combo extender. Also, the R move does around 120 damage with 65 points in sword, which is great.
@@DarkShadow-su6fy ace has a counter and combo extender for less points btw!
@@157whis But counter of ace does not give u like 3 sec of s, and its combo extender is not that easy to use with high ping.
@@DarkShadow-su6fy counters dont give i-frames they have counter frames, ace counter, if u m1 aftet using both counters it will work on high or low ping
@@157whis Well, ISOH has i-frames during animation. Counter of ace has no animation and it dazes immediately. For example if a venom use venom hydras and you counter it with ace, you avoid only 1 hydra, but ISOH lets avoid all of them.
@@157whis gura and isoh counter give u s during the cutscene
ISOH in fourth is criminal, it’s easily the best weapon in the game. You have a counter that does 370 dmg (with 1000 in sword and haki) and the R move, chain reel, can combo start AND combo extend dealing also 300 dmg, I have buddha electro ISOH and I tested the damage, once they use their evasive I use enlightenment and electro fist, once I land the counter I do easily 1200 dmg with only both of the sword moves, and even without enlightment electro fist it does 700-900dmg depending on how many points you have in it. On top of the fast m1s, and how low the cool downs are. Needs a huge nerf.
@@jack33317 I mentioned all of those in the video, isoh is indeed a great top weapon it just doesn’t compare to the ones above ur overrating isoh abilities while denying the other weapon’s ones.
only if ur fighting bots, you can easily bait out the counter insanely often
@@157whisIt’s more the other way around, you’re underestimating isoh, black pitchfork elo and ace are good but they are NOT above isoh, the only item that can come close is ace but anything that launches projectiles is basically countered by isoh, black pitchfork, the stun move is great and the m1s aren’t too bad but thats really all its got, elo hammers m1s feel a bit slow but the moves carry for that, but if we’re comparing isoh and elos move set I don’t see how 300 free damage on both moves are beat by 1 combo extender and 1 not always true extender, and Ace again most of the moves you can react fast enough to pull your counter out, its a counter machine. Ace would be the best weapon in gpo if isoh wasn’t. Also how is pcc not in this list😭
@@abcdefabcdef7604baiting a counter is a skill issue for the people with isoh. The counter is more of a threat so the other play has to play passive, for example if ur a mera u cant use hiken flame piller or any of your moves😭Because it will all be countered
@@jack33317 pitchfork E is a guaranteed combo starter at close distance, isoh has no real combo starter because the R wind up is gigantic, the only good thing is the damage on it and it u use it to combo start it will do no damage and Isoh does 300 on counter while pitchfork also has barrage that wastes 20 stam but does 300 damage in 2 seconds
incredible video ty for tips i try to be better at pvp
@@NarutoUzumaki-ek8fq np
what r ur top m1s?
Surely CC, Soul Cane, Rapier
candy cane might be in top 5 (bonshiver not better than kiribachi)
@@Tofy_kirya candy might br better then kikoku MAYBE but everything else in the list is better, also kiribachi only works against average/ not that good players decent players know how to avoid kiribachi easily
@@157whis bonshiver have small hitboxes that hard tgo catch player in m1s
Ain't no way Neptune's trident is not on the list
I was considering it for top 10 but the m1s are not that good nowadays and kikoku is just more solid overall
yoru not being top 5 is absurd the damage and range should make up for it being punishable
The m1 scaling is not that great and the moves are not really that good
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Me when I tell people yoru isn’t that good they call me crazy… rather fight a yoru than a elo or ice born rapier…
@@playharderscrub lol
rapier easily block holdable, ace is the real scary weapon to fight
@@pyciekpl5139 problem with rapier is if u unblock ur instantly getting hit with 200 damage of with the E move and ur getting comboed right after
Imo yoru isnt THAT crazy, it's just the brain dead spammers with crazy builds that make it annoying
Elo is such a pain
Isoh should scale off strength and everyone knows it
@@LiterallyGoku. it should not 😭😴😭
@@157whis yea because kamishiki which is the closest thing to a heavenly restriction DHOULD be completely useless with a weapon thats almost entirely strength based in JJK
where would world ender be? i have it and can trade it for ace adds but dont know if its better
@@woqq7844 i don’t advise trading world ender for ace adds ( i dont know values) but I know world ender is like multiple times more then ace
@@woqq7844 world ender would be top 12-14 I think
-Elo hammer e is easy to pb
-Ice rapier, soul cane, cc should all be top 5, they all have the best m1s in the game, fast and long reach
-kikoku is lower imo, it has a combo extender like any other weapon and the the e is punishable
-you overplayed gravity blade, mid m1s, long startups on both skills, you can punish the barrage
- yoru is really easy to counter, i think its top 1 for boss raiding but all of its skills are pretty easy to counter all but its counter
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how about the best weapons for PvE?
@@xa9747 rapier or pitchfork, pve wise is very simple as there is not as much problems as pvp
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Why wasn’t kikoku with ope on the list?
It is on the honorable mentions, i didn’t count swords that only get their potential by using other fruits/builds because then i would have to rate an entire build without looking at the sword potential itself
@@157whis ok that actually makes sense
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ngl ace became trash to me when the m1's did no damage i musta just had low sword or something 🥱
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No Neptunes trident is criminal 😢
@@bingusbeerus9284 it is a very cool weapon just not as good as the ones i mentioned
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no hollow halberd?
@@isolationjack no hollow halberd. 💔
The fact that gpo just normalizes doing 300-400 damage on true combos is stupid, and its not even hard, like Pitchfork, uptilt and R, just this, 300 damage on a player that using stupid high stats have 2k hp. But ok, the real problem is when ISOH got release, lets be real, who made this shit? Counter, true starter, Block Breaker, 1+ second window of time to get hitted and 300-400 damage, ofc having low scale on m1's don't would make it be bad, look at old weapons that is balanced, Soul cane, less than 0,5 second to hit counter, don't teleports, gives low damage and an R that is ok, just 150 damage after m1's, atleast its not ibk that 5m1 + E gives 500-600 damage on 2k health players
World ender is not that good?
ye, its not bad tho but the current m1s directly nerf heavy weapons
@@157whis oh yeah they did make the m1s have a full animation swing for it to deal damage i thought it's just lag totally forgot abt that
hey whis lets fix the #2 spot bud
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@@157whis why isnt cc up there buddy
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Okay look, its not true at all wth how did u even think about saying those lies on youtube now people like monke r1 will trade the yoru they have for ace💀💀
and how the hell kikoku alone is better then kikoku with ope??????????????
it dosent even make Sense🗿
I literally said kiko with ope would be high on the list but I wouldn't rate it because then I would be rating a whole build instead of the sword by itself, and a sword being good for pvp doesn't make it have more value
candy cane not making it to top 10 atleast is crazy work
@@tqrrxr candy cane points: a average/mid combo starter that has 40 second cooldown and a completely gutted healing move 🤨
@@157whis the m1s
@@tqrrxr the m1s alone are not enough to make the huge gap between the abilities of cc and the kikoku
@@157whis nvm i see watchu mean, cc is only good if the player is good
@@tqrrxr this applies to every weapon tho, the best of the players can make moria scissors look insane
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boneshiver is not better than rapier 💀
@@aaooaoaoaoaoo Boneshiver itself is around rapier level but it scales with strength making fighting style ur using do more damage increasing your overall damage build a lot thats the only reason it is above rapier on the list
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@@eminelcin3928 CC unfortunately didn’t make it 😔
Bro what are these bot comments
@@AvgGpoUser idk man its so weird i ve getting alot of those recently
@@157whis hopefully it at least helps the algorithm
@@AvgGpoUser idk man hope so
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