These were surprisingly popular in New Zealand of all countries. Heck my uncle programmed a game for it which got sold and distributed by grandstand New Zealand (the game was called bit byte)
+Cyborg KiWi ...and Australia. I was part of a local Sega Users group in Sydney. It was distributed here by John Sands and was considered one of the stronger markets for the machine. I can't recall Bit Byte. I may have come across it though but I remember Grandstand.
I can't believe that was 7 years ago already. I never have found the Sega Printer we had talked about doing a follow-up for. Hope whatever path life took you had worked. CGR may not be active but EDF members never die!
Ah! But this WASN'T the last Sega computer! The Sega Teradrive! It's an IBM compatible with a Mega Drive cart slot on the front. It can play Truxton, which is all that matters.
+The Obsolete Geek I think he means actually manufactured by Sega itself. The SC-3000 was actually manufactured by Sega, the Teradrive was not. That was IBM. And if we're counting the Teradrive, then that wasn't even the last PC with Sega on the front. There was also the Mega PC made by Amstrad that also had Sega parts inside, and it came out after the Teradrive. Granted, it was nowhere near as cool as the already not-that-cool Megadrive was.
+scythedd7 I was going to thumbs-up this comment for excellent information, until you said the Mega Drive was "not that cool." C'mon, man. Nothing is cooler than the Genesis and Mega Drive.
+scythedd7 The Teradrive may have been manufactured by IBM, but it was a Sega branded computer, with the exception of the model number label on the back that references "IBM technology". The computer was marketed by Sega, and all supporting paperwork and packaging was exclusively Sega branded. The Amstrad Mega PC was clearly sold and marketed by Amstrad.
+The Obsolete Geek Yeah I had a Teradrive. Wished that I never sold that thing as it was a machine of oddities. Playing Phantasy Star 2, switching over to PC mode to make notes on the game on the fly and then switching back to continue. Ah the memories...
Europe also had the Mega PC. Though the SC3000 was the only real attempt to make a computerized version of their consoles, which is odd, given hybrid devices like Mega PC and the Sega Saturn card for the PC. Sega never lost interest in that market as a hardware maker.
I have one of these and love it. With the Card Catcher, in addition, there really is a great selection of games for the system. A lot of which are rare ports, like Exerion, Bank Panic and Flicky or unique versions of popular titles such as Congo Bongo and H.E.R.O.. It's a shame that it was never released over here in the US.
So glad to see someone give such a positive review of my childhood computer. :) - especially the nice things you said about the music in H.E.R.O. Incidentally, if you break all the lights in a level (except for the first 2-3 levels) you will get the girl at the end, AND an extra life.
I picked one of these up in a bundle of random consoles. Never heard of it before. Came with several boxed games. Plugged a power brick into it and it works perfect!
My very first games system! I bought mine as a young brat in 1986 with pocket money that I had earnt from jobs like mowing lawns, selling lollies door to door and this machine blew my mind. I knew that it was graphically limited but the games were so cool and playable. I then skipped a generation and moved to Sega Mega Drive. Man I miss THIS Sega.
Its BASIC was really good. One mile ahead compared to competitors at the time. I used to develop my own games. It featured real 16 colors sprites and pixel perfect collision. Also the drawing API wasn't bad at all. I was just in love of it. It pushed me into game developement only 11 years old. It also featured a 4 channel sound chip, I used to convert classical scores into milliseconds/hz code.
One of these (and the fact that it had Star Jacker and Congo Bongo plugged into it) almost made me switch from getting a Spectravideo SV-318. I think it was a discount by my boss at the time that made the final decision for me (and the SV-318 had an inbuilt red joystick - who could say no :)). Plus Spectravideo basic was better - ah well. Hardly any cartridges came out in Australia other than the original release titles (about ten of them). It has been fun slowly collecting the SG-1000/SC-3000 library, so many great games. The SC-3000 has 16k of normal Ram, 16k of VRam, the SC-3000H has 64k of normal Ram, 16k of VRam and all the SG-1000 models have 2k of normal Ram and 16k of Ram. I am making it my goal in life to back port Truxton to the SG-1000/MSX/Coleco - you heard it here first :)
You always bring us the most cool stuff. PC and gaming without the idiotic, addictive internet. I should have just stuck to playing consoles and older pcs. Thanks Lord Karnage for this great video.
The SG1000 and SG3000 used a Texas Instruments TMS9928A This is the same chip used in the Colecovision and MSX (early MSX models used a slightly less capable version of this chip).
Several computers and consoles back then used the same exact chip combo consisting of a Z80 CPU, a TMS9918 video chip and some sort of generic 3channel square wave+noise chip because was the best cost/benefit possible. Back then, you could choose between DRAM memory or SRAM memory, and SRAM was a lot more expensive because it was made out of pure transistor logic, so each bit needed like 8 transistors to represent it. DRAM on other hand took basically the space of one transistor to store a whole bit, but it did it by having this microscopic capacitor(think on a battery that can be charged and discharged REAL quickly), thus was much cheaper per KB, but those capacitors did leaked their power over time, so the hardware needed to constantly "refresh" the memory by reading it to refill the caps, which required a lot of extra circuitry on the computer/console which added more chips and layout complexity to the system. But both the Z80 and the TMS9918 had DRAM refreshing capabilities built in, which allowed you to use the cheaper DRAM chips without all the extra cost of the intel branded chips or 74xx glue logic mess.
+Sanny Goosave It's simply the home computer version of the SG-1000; all games run on both. I think there's a BASIC cartridge that requires the keyboard though.
Interesting who we have a whole sub culture for old games and console collectors who when we have consoles and system now that are 100x better than in the 80's and 90's. I think it so cool and showcases that we don't need fancy tricks and effects to wow us over, just guy nostalgia of the" good old days."
There was an Amstrad computer with a built in SEGA Mega Drive in Europe, known as the Amstrad Mega PC, and in Japan there was the SEGA TeraDrive made by IBM, both were basically IBM compatible 386(Amstrad), and 286(IBM) computers. So not the last computer from SEGA, but yes SC-3000 was the last one fully designed, and built fully by SEGA itself with no outside help. The prices for either of those machines are crazy expensive as well because they flopped big time, because it was still cheaper, and easier to just go get an IBM clone PC of the 286SX and 386 variety, and a stand alone SEGA Mega Drive.
There was also the Dreamcast Development Kit which kind of looks like a computer but plays like a Dreamcast. It is compatible with either a controller or keyboard, it has a VGA port on the back as well as a composite port and finally the internet browser runs under Windows CE. Please do a review on the Dreamcast Development Kit if U happen to find one as well as Linux on PS2 if U find that as well.
I would've liked to see you stumble about in the non-gaming features, which I'm sure are in Japanese. The way the keys are labeled reminds me of Texas Instruments.
yeah thats true re Ti 99 4/A similarities which extended to software screen layouts & typefaces THOUGH these similarities were also akin to many MSX title
+Super Gojira 2001 No, it was released elsewhere, it had quite a following in New Zealand, and was released here in Australia, as well as Japan, New Zealand, France, Italy and Finland, amongst others.
+MK3424 And the Atari 400/800/1200XL/600XL/800XL, which were really good machines - better than some of the machines you mention, and the spiritual ancestor of the Amiga line, they also introduced a lot of the technical concepts that we take for granted, and their expansion system was basically the ancestor of USB.
This was a bit earlier than BBC. Apple II had a much higher price. It's natural competitors where the Spectrum 16k and the Commodore 64, but both where much more expensive. I bought a SC-3000 in Rome in late 1982.
Technically a dreamcast could also act as a computer it’s compatible with windows CE it has some games that were originally pc exclusives you could get a webcam for the Dreamcast (only in japan) and you could get a dreamcast keyboard and mouse and not to mention a web browser
These were surprisingly popular in New Zealand of all countries. Heck my uncle programmed a game for it which got sold and distributed by grandstand New Zealand (the game was called bit byte)
+Cyborg KiWi ...and Australia. I was part of a local Sega Users group in Sydney. It was distributed here by John Sands and was considered one of the stronger markets for the machine. I can't recall Bit Byte. I may have come across it though but I remember Grandstand.
Any video that highlights H.E.R.O. automatically gets a Thumbs Up from me!
love your videos
+MetalJesusRocks Man i love your videos!
*cough cough* do a co op video! *cough*
MetalJesusRocks me too!
I thought the Atari 2600 original is the best for you.
I can't believe that was 7 years ago already. I never have found the Sega Printer we had talked about doing a follow-up for. Hope whatever path life took you had worked. CGR may not be active but EDF members never die!
It's Friday night here in the UK great time to watch a new CGR video 😎
Ah! But this WASN'T the last Sega computer! The Sega Teradrive! It's an IBM compatible with a Mega Drive cart slot on the front.
It can play Truxton, which is all that matters.
+The Obsolete Geek I think he means actually manufactured by Sega itself. The SC-3000 was actually manufactured by Sega, the Teradrive was not. That was IBM.
And if we're counting the Teradrive, then that wasn't even the last PC with Sega on the front. There was also the Mega PC made by Amstrad that also had Sega parts inside, and it came out after the Teradrive. Granted, it was nowhere near as cool as the already not-that-cool Megadrive was.
+scythedd7 I was going to thumbs-up this comment for excellent information, until you said the Mega Drive was "not that cool." C'mon, man. Nothing is cooler than the Genesis and Mega Drive.
+scythedd7 The Teradrive may have been manufactured by IBM, but it was a Sega branded computer, with the exception of the model number label on the back that references "IBM technology". The computer was marketed by Sega, and all supporting paperwork and packaging was exclusively Sega branded. The Amstrad Mega PC was clearly sold and marketed by Amstrad.
+The Obsolete Geek Yeah I had a Teradrive. Wished that I never sold that thing as it was a machine of oddities. Playing Phantasy Star 2, switching over to PC mode to make notes on the game on the fly and then switching back to continue. Ah the memories...
Europe also had the Mega PC. Though the SC3000 was the only real attempt to make a computerized version of their consoles, which is odd, given hybrid devices like Mega PC and the Sega Saturn card for the PC. Sega never lost interest in that market as a hardware maker.
I have one of these and love it. With the Card Catcher, in addition, there really is a great selection of games for the system. A lot of which are rare ports, like Exerion, Bank Panic and Flicky or unique versions of popular titles such as Congo Bongo and H.E.R.O.. It's a shame that it was never released over here in the US.
I wish I still had the games I developed for it on tape.
For 1983 the graphics are GREAT! (and sound too)
The framerate looked amazing, and the control looked fluid as hell! Was very surprised... MUST SEEK OUT AND PURCHASE!
Fun fact: Girl's Garden (the one that played Mendelssohn's march) is the first game by Yuji Naka, one of the creators of Sonic the Hedgehog.
Fun little tidbit:
Girl's Garden was developed by Yuji Naka, who later helped create and Develop Sonic the Hedgehog.
Big thumbs up for the SEGA Retro shout out! It's our wiki! Great resource for obscure stuff like this.
It's only since you redid the intro that I've been able to understand what on earth it says. Thank you!
I love that the keyboard has a Carriage Return button instead of a regular Enter key. I only wish there had been a separate Line Feed button as well.
Was, literally, the first thing I noticed!
...But does it have BLAST PROCESSING built into it?
Hahaha SEGA does what NINTEN DON'T.
+Manek Millano Nintendo has done lots of things, from Taxis to brothels (love hotels)
It doesn't have blast processing but it is still faster than the NES
That thing sure has some amazing sound quality!
A home computer I never heard of, that's rare. Thanks for sharing.
So glad to see someone give such a positive review of my childhood computer. :) - especially the nice things you said about the music in H.E.R.O.
Incidentally, if you break all the lights in a level (except for the first 2-3 levels) you will get the girl at the end, AND an extra life.
I picked one of these up in a bundle of random consoles. Never heard of it before. Came with several boxed games. Plugged a power brick into it and it works perfect!
Came here because of Isekai Ojisan.
Stays because now i understands his love for Sega. Subscribed.
My very first games system! I bought mine as a young brat in 1986 with pocket money that I had earnt from jobs like mowing lawns, selling lollies door to door and this machine blew my mind. I knew that it was graphically limited but the games were so cool and playable. I then skipped a generation and moved to Sega Mega Drive. Man I miss THIS Sega.
I love it when Mark shows consoles I had no clue about. :)
*NEW JERSEY* never gets old
I get it
Its BASIC was really good. One mile ahead compared to competitors at the time. I used to develop my own games. It featured real 16 colors sprites and pixel perfect collision. Also the drawing API wasn't bad at all. I was just in love of it. It pushed me into game developement only 11 years old. It also featured a 4 channel sound chip, I used to convert classical scores into milliseconds/hz code.
as usual great video dude, and don't forget the computer which they produced in corporation with AMSTRAD the Amstrad Mega PC
Sc-3000h was released in Australia & New Zealand
I just got one for $100
Lucky s.o.b!
awesome review mark
That sound is incredible!
Man, that little computer is all kinds of awesomeness!
Another great video wish I could get old gems like these
Awsome review! You are definitely right about the music. It rocks!
Congratulations!!! I want too this console! I will do my best!
One of these (and the fact that it had Star Jacker and Congo Bongo plugged into it) almost made me switch from getting a Spectravideo SV-318. I think it was a discount by my boss at the time that made the final decision for me (and the SV-318 had an inbuilt red joystick - who could say no :)). Plus Spectravideo basic was better - ah well.
Hardly any cartridges came out in Australia other than the original release titles (about ten of them).
It has been fun slowly collecting the SG-1000/SC-3000 library, so many great games.
The SC-3000 has 16k of normal Ram, 16k of VRam, the SC-3000H has 64k of normal Ram, 16k of VRam and all the SG-1000 models have 2k of normal Ram and 16k of Ram.
I am making it my goal in life to back port Truxton to the SG-1000/MSX/Coleco - you heard it here first :)
i wanna buy & play your Truxton Coleco cart right to the end boss stage using RED
You don't know how hard I popped when you mentioned Typing of the Dead...one of my all time favs
Also, great review, this is so cool
You always bring us the most cool stuff. PC and gaming without the idiotic, addictive internet. I should have just stuck to playing consoles and older pcs. Thanks Lord Karnage for this great video.
happy to see the map again :)
The SG1000 and SG3000 used a Texas Instruments TMS9928A This is the same chip used in the Colecovision and MSX (early MSX models used a slightly less capable version of this chip).
Thanks! yes now i rembner
I wonder, now that CGR has steady revenue thanks to fan funding if there is any chance of Undertow coming back?
i wondered about that too but now hes doing his manthology stuff. so i guess no
He’s got a net worth of around 17 million dollars so there isn’t a financial reason not to.
@@Gorilla_Jones Well Yeah but his father was a millionaire so thats probably where most of that comes from
Keep Up the great work Mark #CGR4LIFE
Mark, what do you use for your sound hook ups? It's very apparent you're not using that you're not using the tv output! Sounds awesome
Several computers and consoles back then used the same exact chip combo consisting of a Z80 CPU, a TMS9918 video chip and some sort of generic 3channel square wave+noise chip because was the best cost/benefit possible.
Back then, you could choose between DRAM memory or SRAM memory, and SRAM was a lot more expensive because it was made out of pure transistor logic, so each bit needed like 8 transistors to represent it.
DRAM on other hand took basically the space of one transistor to store a whole bit, but it did it by having this microscopic capacitor(think on a battery that can be charged and discharged REAL quickly), thus was much cheaper per KB, but those capacitors did leaked their power over time, so the hardware needed to constantly "refresh" the memory by reading it to refill the caps, which required a lot of extra circuitry on the computer/console which added more chips and layout complexity to the system.
But both the Z80 and the TMS9918 had DRAM refreshing capabilities built in, which allowed you to use the cheaper DRAM chips without all the extra cost of the intel branded chips or 74xx glue logic mess.
Dat computer ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)
Isn't there a keyboard add-on for the SG-1000 and Mark III that gives them SC-3000 functionality?
This is pretty awesome. I wonder if there are any exclusives for it
+Sanny Goosave It's simply the home computer version of the SG-1000; all games run on both. I think there's a BASIC cartridge that requires the keyboard though.
Does it sound better than the Commodore 64?
Wasn't there a sega mega drive computer?
Good stuff, man - most interesting. Thx.
Awesome stuff!
Cool, I have a PAL SEGA SC-3000H.
+Casper Egas Yeah I have been keeping an eye our for a mechanical keyboard version but I'm happy to have come across even this version of it.
The Japanese version is not THAT difficult to get, is it?
+Casper Egas If you want to go to ebay and buy it, no. Easily found there. Not so easily found at flea markets outside of Japan.
Roof ninjas are tough. Really cool computer, would love to find one.
Interesting who we have a whole sub culture for old games and console collectors who when we have consoles and system now that are 100x better than in the 80's and 90's. I think it so cool and showcases that we don't need fancy tricks and effects to wow us over, just guy nostalgia of the" good old days."
I want one! I have nowhere to put one of these, but I want one!!
There was an Amstrad computer with a built in SEGA Mega Drive in Europe, known as the Amstrad Mega PC, and in Japan there was the SEGA TeraDrive made by IBM, both were basically IBM compatible 386(Amstrad), and 286(IBM) computers. So not the last computer from SEGA, but yes SC-3000 was the last one fully designed, and built fully by SEGA itself with no outside help. The prices for either of those machines are crazy expensive as well because they flopped big time, because it was still cheaper, and easier to just go get an IBM clone PC of the 286SX and 386 variety, and a stand alone SEGA Mega Drive.
Mark, I saw one of your videos at Watchmojo. Do they use your videos with permission?
There was also the Dreamcast Development Kit which kind of looks like a computer but plays like a Dreamcast. It is compatible with either a controller or keyboard, it has a VGA port on the back as well as a composite port and finally the internet browser runs under Windows CE. Please do a review on the Dreamcast Development Kit if U happen to find one as well as Linux on PS2 if U find that as well.
Hardware wise it's very similar to the Coleco Adam.
Which is so much easier to hook up and "developing" for the Coleco Adam, right?
I would've liked to see you stumble about in the non-gaming features, which I'm sure are in Japanese. The way the keys are labeled reminds me of Texas Instruments.
yeah thats true re Ti 99 4/A similarities which extended to software screen layouts & typefaces THOUGH these similarities were also akin to many MSX title
I want one now just for the audio output o_o It sounds gorgeous. Also, what is the game being played at 6:10 ?
+jeremysart That is Ninja Princess. Of fame only due to being Yuji Naka's first game.
Thanks!
Man, I picked up one of these in a box of random consoles. Had no idea what it was! Came with five or six boxed carts too.
WOW! I want a SEGA SC-3000!
wow cool, so it plays SG-1000 games, I never heard of this system before cool
is the audio output MIDI or PCM?
I need that version of H.E.R.O. -- and ALL that music -- in my life.
krazy - i didnt know Ninja Princess was on the SC-1000. amazing. its a superb game
the funny thing is i looked at these on ebay last night after another review of one of these
I had no idea this even existed! Seeing the Orguss game cart made me instantly want to see it... but, dear oh dear does it ever look ugly.
It seems to resemble a Timex-Sinclair 2068, which I used to write games for. Same Z80 processor. Better graphics. Less memory.
I had one-for a while. Long story.
Keep talking.
Same sound chip was also used in Sega Mega Drive/Genesis
You are drunk lol is the same as some MSX models and Master System
I saw a retro gen adapter on your snes
+Tae Wook Nam And take a closer look at the game plugged into it and thus the SNES.
+Glaw Inc truxton!!
Ninja Princess is by far my favorite SG-1000 game
List of all showcased games here please?
+TurboPikachuX
Exerion
H.E.R.O.
Ninja Princess
Orguss
Space Invaders
Glaw Inc Thank you! ^w^
+Glaw Inc
Though, I am still unable to find what the game at 5:38 is.
Oh, I had typed Ninja Princess twice and deleted one once I realized what I did. That was supposed to be Girl's Garden.
Glaw Inc Ah. Thanks! ^-^
Who would dislike CGR? Come on bro!
SEGA was always ahead of the game.
Hmm…Atari did release their 400 & 800 computers in 1979!
how to connect it on tv?
Very good Sega pc
I NEED A SEGA SC-3000 FOR MY COLLECTION!!
Nice review,for those who did not know Girls Garden was Yuji naka´s of Sonic fame first game,kawaii^^
Sega knows you a fan, they even named a console after you 👍
But does it have Blast Processing?!
Something I'll never own. lol.
+Dyskhord
The TI 99/4a and and BBC Micro have the same sound chip.
The Sega Master system used a clone of it.
+Dyskhord It will never beat the SID!!
Never heard of this PC before. Must've been before my time.
It was only released in Japan.
+Super Gojira 2001 No, it was released elsewhere, it had quite a following in New Zealand, and was released here in Australia, as well as Japan, New Zealand, France, Italy and Finland, amongst others.
WANT!! ☺
It would have been competing against the Commodore 64, the ZX Spectrum, BBC Micro and the Apple II..
+MK3424 And the Atari 400/800/1200XL/600XL/800XL, which were really good machines - better than some of the machines you mention, and the spiritual ancestor of the Amiga line, they also introduced a lot of the technical concepts that we take for granted, and their expansion system was basically the ancestor of USB.
he's talking about the japan home computer market, not europe's
Zee X Spectrum is eurotrash garbage
Wasn't MSX about the right time?
This was a bit earlier than BBC. Apple II had a much higher price. It's natural competitors where the Spectrum 16k and the Commodore 64, but both where much more expensive. I bought a SC-3000 in Rome in late 1982.
2:45 Yeah, right.
Achieving world piece thru SEGA.
I want one !
Segas one and only home computer?? Teradrive??
some one plz tell me the song during the shout outs
3:26 Opel Spaceship? ^^
I thought this guy was going away or retiring? he's still putting up like 2 vids a week
Technically a dreamcast could also act as a computer it’s compatible with windows CE it has some games that were originally pc exclusives you could get a webcam for the Dreamcast (only in japan) and you could get a dreamcast keyboard and mouse and not to mention a web browser
This however is a spectacular version of Hero!
..... (looks at camera)
This is a great version of Hero.
- Mark 3
Ya that was interesting.
+Super Dale James (bros) It does look & sound pretty great.
umm hey Lord Karnage you miss to review the unknown console from brazil the Zeebo.
So does that computer have BASIC built in? Whats the point of the keyboard
+El Guapo The software is available as cartridges, however nothing is built into the system.
WOW!!!! Killer CPU yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can it run Crysis ?
i have to admit. That computer sounds excellent, Most computers of the same era sounded like crap but this one... is late 80's sound quality
A sega PC, did not know that existed
That version of hero looks better than the one on Atari!
That thing is so Lando. And the 3000H is even sweeter.
How friggin cool is that: a Sega computer! *drools*