Learn how my risk management strategy allows me to get consistent payouts: no longer allowed by apex

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  • @TDNBtrading
    @TDNBtrading 9 месяцев назад +7

    You nailed it.
    We are here to make money, not to discuss if a strategy is right or not.
    People should use their own strategies and use what works for them. There’s no point in discussing.
    Keep it up man. Go for that 911!

  • @dontrellkeys
    @dontrellkeys 9 месяцев назад +20

    You really deserve to get more followers than PW

  • @bartflytrading
    @bartflytrading 9 месяцев назад +17

    The best strategy is the one that suits you and brings profits! Great video! 😊

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +4

      Exactly. Totally agree, I say that a lot too because people want to copy others. It doesn’t work.
      This video is more explaining my way of thinking so I have a video to explain to someone new that comes on stream asking me where is my stop.

  • @theukfuturestrader.5166
    @theukfuturestrader.5166 9 месяцев назад +9

    Good video bud! I think we generally start following a tried and tested strategy when we start out learning to trade. After a few years I think we find our own way to trade. When you sit in front of a chart three to five hours per day you do notice certain patterns that work. Then you find your own style. Sounds like you've found yours. I can see a good year ahead for you. Good on ya mate! 👍

  • @GTInsight
    @GTInsight 4 месяца назад +1

    Wider Sl is also my style to trade. I trade on in the direction of the higher timeframes but sometimes things go south anyway. I strongly believe to copy trade multiple accounts while managing risk factor to not blow the account. Ideally, I rather copy trade with 3 micro lots in the beginning. If the threshold of drawdown on static account is $2000 to breach your account, then I guess it's very safe to use daily range sl and trade towards the high TF. In this case any deep pullback is an ideal entry. It's my humble opinion. I enjoy your work and good explanation Alpine.

  • @Jimzz91
    @Jimzz91 9 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks for the video mate and a really interesting way of managing your overall risk with these prop firms. I have been grinding 3 account on Topstep for a couple of month and closing in to getting funded. But with apex to kinda build a "portfolio" of accounts and go for very small TPs in scalps and build up the portfolio of accounts that way instead. And your risk is that account and what you paid for it. So to spread your risk that way sounds very clever tbh..
    Signed up mid last week with a 50k on apex and did 12 tick TP, twice a day on thursday and friday, made my ticks for the day and went on. Will buy another 2-3 50k's today and go into next week with those and try your approach with grabbing a few ticks on one account, switch over to the next and do the same thing and try to slowly build up that "portfolio" of apex accounts! Thanks once again for sharing your strategy and quite amazing numbers u been putting up, thats why im gonna try your approach. Have a good sunday!

  • @delacruzneili
    @delacruzneili 5 месяцев назад +1

    this is all i need right now. still shaking from the two accounts I just blew two days ago, in 5hrs. i still feel bad. really bad. i even question my trading skills for real. but then again i have only been trading for more than a month, really. im new to trading. i just discovered your channel. and it helps me cope up a grand. thank you from the deepest of my heart.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  5 месяцев назад +2

      If you’re just a month in there is no reason to quit. If you think you shouldn’t be blowing or losing in trades a month in then think about what it would do to the trading industry. Everyone would be a profitable trader. The difference between profitable and unprofitable is often the time put in and not quitting before it turns around.
      Just try to shake it off. And take your time. One account at a time.

    • @delacruzneili
      @delacruzneili 5 месяцев назад

      @@alpinetrader thanks man. I am now trying different strategies. One thing that i realized is that, scalping might not be for me. I've already lost almost 5k, and blown 3 accounts. And i am about to blow one now. I know that trading is nowhere near easy. But man, the stress and anxiety it gives you is just beyond comprehension. And i think you are right in one of your videos that this journey is solitary. You cannot compare yourself to any frickin' best traders out there. And it is lonely. I just wish right now that it'd be different in the future. 'Cause now, I just don't know. I'm lost in confusions and questions towards everything, myself, and particularly my strategies. They just seem don't click. I'm not saying I'm not discipline. I write all my strategy before going to trades. And i a have tons of patience. But the reality is, i feel like I've been being hosed all the time. And after every session of trading, I've been shaking from what I lost. Right now, I feel like it's always been a nightmare for me.
      And the only thing that keeps me at it is the fact that, I can't see myself in the next years doing other than this. Really, it's just that.
      Sorry for the long reply. But, i feel that i really need this to get out of my chest.

    • @DougzWrld
      @DougzWrld 3 месяца назад

      holly hell a month !! good luck brother keep pushing

  • @stevek5461
    @stevek5461 9 месяцев назад +2

    Great video! Risk management method is spot on. I watched Alpine's stream through the past week, and he speaks the truth. Thanks for sharing this information and wish you the best in your trades and monetary goals.

  • @MACSTEEL107
    @MACSTEEL107 7 месяцев назад

    Bro understanding your strategy and thought process makes me more confident. Trying to get my 1st payout now.

  • @TheClanFam1
    @TheClanFam1 7 месяцев назад

    Alpine, thank you for your vids and most importatly thank you for keeping your stream professional and cussing free :)

  • @ladderboys
    @ladderboys 9 месяцев назад +1

    You killing it bro🔝. Your videos giving me every time some value. Keep going👏🏻

  • @kompozix
    @kompozix 7 месяцев назад +1

    Hi man! just found your channel, what is a tight SL for you on a specefic asset for example ? what do you trade the most, indices?

  • @menininha92
    @menininha92 2 месяца назад

    Very interesting. What is a "wide stop" on the NQ for you? Like 10 points ?

  • @futurestradingstrategies
    @futurestradingstrategies 9 месяцев назад +1

    Congratulations. Keep up the good work.

  • @neomonktrades
    @neomonktrades 5 месяцев назад

    this video aged pretty well, congrats. 60k payout goal 3rd months. and you are at 140k , nice

  • @MrStealth9999
    @MrStealth9999 8 месяцев назад

    Great video - a couple of quick questions if you don't mind = #1 - You said your profit target is 6 ticks, correct ? #2 - What instrument are you trading, NQ ? other ? #3 - what size account have you found optimal for the strategy ? ie 50K or 100K ? #4 - what is the ratio of # of contracts to account size ? Thanks again

  • @adams8470
    @adams8470 9 месяцев назад +1

    Inspiring, cheers Alpine and congrats

  • @rouano1
    @rouano1 7 месяцев назад

    Great video - I have a couple of questions. For the $50k accounts what's your typical size that you trade with the larger stops? Are you using 1 or 2 minis or maybe 5 micros? and approximately how large are your stops on average? also I don't really understand the reasoning why you wouldn't want to copy trade most of the time as opposed to trading the accounts individually? Mainly because there's usually a limited number of trade opportunities in a given day. Trading individually would seem to be really hard at least for most people. Great content!

  • @SPARTANTRAD3S
    @SPARTANTRAD3S 8 месяцев назад

    TIGHT stops dont work in the long run, everyone experiences drawdown. NIce work bro.

  • @tradingwithjr
    @tradingwithjr 7 месяцев назад

    Can you make a video breakdown similar to this style but showing how you were able to start with one Apex Evaluation and build to the point where you now have 20 PA's and you are taking payouts from them super consistently? It would be very interesting to see the roadmap of how you planned the journey and then ultimately how you executed the gameplan and ended up where you are. Im sure many of your viewers could really benefit from seeing this sort of video. Thank you

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  7 месяцев назад

      I cannot say I planned the roadmap and just executed the plan. It just happened. I am still in sort of disbelief I am taking such large payouts consistently.
      I have had many goals and plans in trading and failed for years. I feel like planning is not needed as much as the focus on now. Get one goal done at a time and that’s to get a payout from the prop firms and become positive in the process. Once your are positive then you can use the payouts as your houses money to grow more add kinds and eventually hopefully that will lead to more payouts.
      Key for me is not relying on trading income. I wanted to make few extra grand a month extra and now things have flip flopped my regular business will be the side hustle. But it is certainly a video I could make ! It’s something I love sharing. I don’t like when people tell me they want to do the same and they just jump in to 20 accounts right away.

  • @AkkiMad
    @AkkiMad 5 месяцев назад

    Apex watched your video on wide stops and then decided to enforce their tight stop rule 😅 its cool

  • @Jb-094
    @Jb-094 5 месяцев назад

    How much contracts do you leverage on NQ per trade?

  • @DomTradr
    @DomTradr 9 месяцев назад +1

    So how does "working out of a trade" factor into all this? That is what I was most curious about. I've noticed you will go "wide" on a single trade. But then at times add to a losing trade until it either blows out or makes a recovery. What makes you decide to add / not add to a losing trade to begin "working out of it".

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +4

      I basically ignore the trade and then trade as if I wasn’t in the trade and continue to make profit on new trades and plan that market will eventually go back up since market flows to range and rotate more often than actual trend.

  • @sumo479
    @sumo479 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for sharing Alpine. Have you ever considered a max loss for an account equivalent to an average green day. Usually this rule helps traders turn the corner to long term profitability, but I can see having the ability to pass and multi-box accounts at Apex, that if you lose an account to a low probability trade with no stop, you just move on with your life and start a new account, having only lost the charges for that account on your credit card.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +1

      I actually wouldn’t be well off and profitable with that. But I do have some accounts with 1500 max loss. And also I trade on topstep with $1000 loss and it’s getting payouts so I think once I grow the accounts it would be good to have a set stop to not set myself all the way back

  • @GTInsight
    @GTInsight 4 месяца назад

    It was killing me to push me to watch the 5 minutes advert lol. I believe apex is trailing drawdown and may be look into elite trader funding which is balance based.

  • @gojdff
    @gojdff 26 дней назад

    Do you have a video about your strategy?

  • @PawelWalentynski1
    @PawelWalentynski1 8 месяцев назад +1

    did I miss the part where he explained his wide stop risk management strategy? What instrument, how many contracts, how many points is that wide stop? How much he risk per trade?

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  8 месяцев назад +1

      That is irrelevant because everyone trades different. But I basically would be okay risking the funded account to give myself the best odds to make money with it. So around 2k risk to make few ticks. And just do it over and over again

    • @PawelWalentynski1
      @PawelWalentynski1 8 месяцев назад

      @@alpinetrader Aweasome, thanks!

  • @gabubot
    @gabubot 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks Mr. Alpine, someday can you do a video on your morning breakout strategies?

  • @myselfiemirror
    @myselfiemirror 9 месяцев назад

    Congrats on the great week! Planning to cut size for myself as mine wasnt nearly as profitable

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +2

      Yes first a strategy that is consistent enough is important :) do you generally scalp or hold for bigger targets ?

    • @myselfiemirror
      @myselfiemirror 9 месяцев назад

      @@alpinetrader Generally hold for bigger targets as I believe it fits my personality better. Got too nervous trading 10 PAs last week and traded mini contracts where I should have been more patient and waited for the price to come to me. So back to basics this week trading micros and scaling in which I believe I do better at to try to get out of the drawdown

  • @LolaizaJazzmine
    @LolaizaJazzmine 3 месяца назад

    I thought there was rule. Where you had. To have 30 sec in a trade. And or 22 ticks. But your aniping. Consistently this info is great. Gave me some ideas. I am also gonna do 7-8 ticks 2-3 contracts.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  3 месяца назад +1

      @@LolaizaJazzmine that’s on other prop firms like mff. Apex you can scalp but need to keep your losses no more than 4x bigger than avg win. I went away from scalping because of that

    • @LolaizaJazzmine
      @LolaizaJazzmine 3 месяца назад

      @@alpinetrader they have rumb rules everything. I tell you . Realized loss floating loss. Cause my trades are winners with larger floating loss.

  • @foreverkazi7748
    @foreverkazi7748 9 месяцев назад

    This is my dawg 🤝 Alpine

  • @balajivenkat7291
    @balajivenkat7291 9 месяцев назад +1

    Can you please show us settings in Rithmic to set max drawdown?

  • @RixZilla
    @RixZilla 4 месяца назад

    How much do you risk per trade? %wise

  • @prestonquinn919
    @prestonquinn919 9 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the videos, I have a question about apex. I have an account that I met the profit target in 1 day on. I thought it was still 1 day pass. But apparently it ended the day before. I don’t want to take the chance of losing the account, do you know if I have to make trades in that account every day?

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +1

      Yes you do have to open and close trades. So go to mnq and open and close a micro right away.

    • @prestonquinn919
      @prestonquinn919 9 месяцев назад

      @@alpinetrader thanks man…. I just took a trade on NQ with 1 con. It worked out. But I’ll be going to MNQ tomorrow.

  • @originalmachine85
    @originalmachine85 9 месяцев назад

    Did you say your TP is 6 ticks? Isn’t that $25? How many ticks is your SL? I’m just starting out and never heard of a scalp strat so small. I’d imagine I’d lose more than win but you have it mastered.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +2

      it is not easy, but the edge is having wider stops and winning so often. its how scalping works, you always risk more than you are going to make but you win most often than not.

  • @Outlandertrades
    @Outlandertrades 8 месяцев назад

    Your an inspiration .. cheers

  • @AmericanBully_45
    @AmericanBully_45 9 месяцев назад +1

    How do these wide stops work with the trailing DD? Thanks

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +2

      Trailing DD only affects you letting winners turn to losers. Not when you actually are in a losing trade.

  • @kidpoker007
    @kidpoker007 9 месяцев назад

    Amazing how well you are doing!!!! But how wide is yoru typical stop or is it different on every trade because NQ has such a wide price fluctuation?

    • @doomslayerforever2858
      @doomslayerforever2858 9 месяцев назад +1

      Quick way to blow account 1 lot nq at 100 ticks is like 300 or more I personally start with aa 65 tick stop and move into profit

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +1

      It could be as wide as losing an account but I have ways I manage a losing trade as well that gets me through some drawdown. I don’t just hold it. But I focus on the winning side of things and knowing it puts me in the best position to win if I use a wide stop. It’s what is making me consistent payouts.

  • @reallaughterproductions9720
    @reallaughterproductions9720 9 месяцев назад

    This is fantastic information!

  • @___gh0st___
    @___gh0st___ 9 месяцев назад

    Love your content, stay true, please! 💪🌠

  • @yvre8187
    @yvre8187 2 месяца назад

    Thank u

  • @bobmeans6258
    @bobmeans6258 9 месяцев назад

    could i please ask you two questions do you trade your Evals different than your PA accounts and if so could you tell us how you trade them and lets say you have built your PA account to 54,000
    how much would you take out on payout because if you takeout more than 1500 your stop out can become less than 2500 in that account thanks

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +4

      I trade more aggressive on evals when I’m funded. If I’m not funded I take my time and actually practice because it means I had been trading poorly if I’m not funded.
      I always take the maximum payout. Payouts is what is most important. I can make the account last even if it just has $1000 In drawdown after withdrawal. Losing funded accounts when you can get paid sucks the most. I lost many trying to grow a cushion.

  • @samuelvazquez7343
    @samuelvazquez7343 9 месяцев назад

    Good video! What is the max time I have to pass the account t if I make 250 a day to pass a 50k

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +1

      There is no max time. You can take as long as you need but 250 a day would take you 12 days.

  • @Dimati888
    @Dimati888 9 месяцев назад

    Can yyou share the strategy of your ORB trade at least on a high level? Assuming this is something like limit orders on top/bottom of 9:20-9:30 range?

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +1

      thats correct. you got the basics of it now just find the levels that work for you!

  • @d_lourenzo
    @d_lourenzo 9 месяцев назад

    I dont get it, do you withdraw from your buffer, blow the accounts and start fresh ? I thought you had to build up $2600 on a 50K then anything after that $2600 you can withdraw.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +3

      No you don’t have to keep buffer in apex accounts. You can take it out. On 25k account you can actually take out all of it and close the account. On 50k you’ll always have the account after payout. Doesn’t have to blow. These sets of accounts are going through a second payout for example. You can grow an account from $1000’drawdown especially if it’s static like it is once you take a withdrawal.

  • @jessetrott2549
    @jessetrott2549 9 месяцев назад

    Bravo. Nice video.

  • @mohammadghulamnabizada5860
    @mohammadghulamnabizada5860 9 месяцев назад

    if account got live is there any time limitation after that ? I mean like at first we have time limitation 7 day to get live.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад

      Yes there’s some rules in the funded accounts. Make sure to read the faq !

  • @i_am_processing_
    @i_am_processing_ 8 месяцев назад

    I prefer to risk 1R and aim for a less than 1R Reward.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  8 месяцев назад +1

      Yup everyone should find what works best for them

  • @Jason315NY
    @Jason315NY 9 месяцев назад

    We’re do you stream everyday from 10-4?

  • @willbeckham2742
    @willbeckham2742 9 месяцев назад

    Why don’t you use more than 3 contracts for the ORB?

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +5

      Because it’s still risky. I did use 5 in august and September and September I struggled and had to make adjustments. But I might go to 4 soon. But 3 allows me to get out of trouble if I need. Especially like on topstep with 1k max loss

  • @nothing_burger
    @nothing_burger 6 месяцев назад

    Not copy trading all your accounts at once *is an example of* trading afraid. If you have a high win rate as you say, use wide stop loss, plus use responsible position sizing, there should be no reason you should trade accounts individually.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  6 месяцев назад

      Yes currently doing it.m to trade less. But I’m just showing how it’s possible to do this different ways since trading is incredibly hard. There should be no copy trading till there is payouts and consistency.

  • @aaronkorn
    @aaronkorn 9 месяцев назад

    Amazing ❤️‍🔥

  • @drawdownstudio
    @drawdownstudio 9 месяцев назад

    thanks Alpine safe travels.... Greg

  • @TheBigUsualSuspect
    @TheBigUsualSuspect 9 месяцев назад

    good video, but you chased it and that was the error not the stop loss. Nq can go either direction and trading without a stop can be a disaster. IMO

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +1

      I explained how it gives me Better results. That’s all. Thanks for the input :)

    • @TheBigUsualSuspect
      @TheBigUsualSuspect 9 месяцев назад

      no doubt it works for you is all that matters . i know for me it wont. Thats why i said IMO . But good shit getting those consistent payouts@@alpinetrader

  • @hegemonictrader45
    @hegemonictrader45 7 месяцев назад

    Yo yo yo!!!

  • @orderflowdojo
    @orderflowdojo 9 месяцев назад

    🔥🔥

  • @foreverkazi7748
    @foreverkazi7748 9 месяцев назад

    Dropping gems!

  • @zerodayjay
    @zerodayjay 8 месяцев назад +1

    I nuked 3 funded accounts on friday revenge trading. Its funny how it always goes against you when you're revenge trading

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  8 месяцев назад +1

      Yes it never works well. But we all do it. We all have bad days and the beauty is that these accounts costs so little vs what they can produce.

    • @zerodayjay
      @zerodayjay 8 месяцев назад

      @@alpinetrader absolutely

  • @EconomistsMUFID
    @EconomistsMUFID 9 месяцев назад

    I learned few things from ur copy trade but , Soory to here that u are scalpers! I could tech u one to one and give u three strategies. You do not have to scalpe !! This are three strategies- if u pay me 3k !!

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +4

      How about I pay you $5k!? I think its worth it.

    • @Propfirmscourt
      @Propfirmscourt 9 месяцев назад

      @@alpinetrader😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@Propfirmscourt I will be able to sell it to 100 ppl for 1k each. It’s a business strategy 🤫

  • @jjjensen9493
    @jjjensen9493 9 месяцев назад

    Why would you show people your money-ball strategy. Don’t you think that puts you at risk?

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  9 месяцев назад +2

      At what risk? I didn’t show a specific trading strategy

    • @jjjensen9493
      @jjjensen9493 9 месяцев назад

      @@alpinetrader it’s not the trading strategy that is the EDGE, it’s your RISK protocol that is the edge. Movie 21 is inspired by Edward O Thorp and has risk protocol strategies that give them edge. Take it as a compliment bc you have edge in risk bc you figured the prop game out. The only reason I ask why?! Is because props are casinos and they do not like being beat by people let alone sharing it to other people. At the end of the day tho it takes skillllll, so props to you man

  • @ronwilliams1385
    @ronwilliams1385 Месяц назад

    You keep mentioning "wide stops" but you never attached a number to your "wide stops". I find your entire argument to be extremely vague. What is that actual number and how do you apply it?

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  Месяц назад

      @@ronwilliams1385 wide meaning the whatever the account drawdown was. I do much better using very wide stops and work out of the trades then otherwise trying to use tight stops and getting blown out by paper cuts. Sorry for the confusion

  • @tradingrules2228
    @tradingrules2228 8 месяцев назад

    Why don't you smile ? Are you fed of trading ?

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  8 месяцев назад +1

      lol i have a RBF syndrome haha i dont smile naturally. more of a "serious" look always, but doesnt mean im upset haha

  • @duytrancali6471
    @duytrancali6471 19 дней назад

    Dangggg! he talks too much.... please straight to the point.

    • @alpinetrader
      @alpinetrader  19 дней назад

      @@duytrancali6471 I use wider stops. I Don’t use tight stops.