The land is unceded stolen land. The ranchers agreed to leave when the park was first created. The ranchers have gone back on their word. They've gone back on the contract.
So, the elk have had to stay out of the park so ranchers can have cheap land? and during a drought. JSMH. I wonder who you had to know, years back, to get that deal. In other parks, ranchers and hunting lodges put gates across public access to keep hikers out of "their" land and the rangers are a little leery of confronting them and if the locked gates stay up they get to keep the land.
well yeah, there shouldn't be FARMS inside national parks. that's ridiculous. Strauss got away with it for this long. Hopefully he has enough money to relocate. He does not have rights to the park. His dairy is not publicly owned. He he a private individual taking advantage of a nature reserve. Disgusting.
Even though the ranches were there for 150 years, we did not possess back then the environmental stewardship level (don’t substitute animal husbandry for environmentalism; they’re not the same) of awareness we have today. If it is the right environmental choice, then ranching in West Marin must change. It’s clear cattle ranching has pretty much led to tens of thousands of manure lagoons blighting the lands of America anyway.
For profit business does not belong in a National Park. Especially a business that pollutes the water and air, and destroys native vegetation. And the ranches in the park are heavily subsidized by our tax dollar. They pay zero property tax, get their water at a reduced cost, and our park employees actually do work on maintaining these ranches. West Marin has an abundance of ranches. Remove the fence and allow the elk and other wildlife to roam free. It is a National Park. The ranch owners were paid millions to vacate, and yet they still think they deserve to be there. They are out of touch privileged elite.
MANY holes in this reporting. It's a proposed change which will take public comments later this summer. The ranchers were given approx 20 years to end operations when the National Seashore opened, and they have gone way past that deadline. The ranchers farm at public expense - they pay about half of market value to graze. The area also has severe water toxicity issues with waterways poisoned by fecal matter from these ranches. Taxpayers pay to clean that up too. It's part of the National Park system: for the preservation of unique habitat and wildlife, and for recreation. It's not a little scuffle between enviros and ranchers - it's part of the NPS mandate to protect species. Hundreds of elk have already died there during the drought, as fences prevented them from accessing water, which is inexcusable.
So what. They are still American citizens aren't they. They still have a right to make a living don't they besides the ranches were there for even longer than 20 years, even before the elk was relocated there. I believe they should be given a chance to coexist together and why shouldn't they get the chance. And the ranchers do supply us with beef.
@@mefirst5427the fecal matter from the cows is highly concentrated. It makes half of the park smell like shit and pollutes the lagoons. 26 dairy farms will not make a difference to the food supply
Fabulous! First of all, Tule Elk consume a fraction of the water and grasses that cattle do.Secondly, a National Park should be wild and natural, like Yosemite, not contaminated with fecal matter and calf isolation crates. This land was intended to be a public wild area when it was signed in 1962 by President Robert Kennedy. The transition will be challenging, but it is a long time coming. Bravo to the Park Service for hearing the Public opinions, which are to remove the ranches, and cease further expanded commercialization, hopefully... Actually we don't know when the information. Fingers crossed, and there is plenty of land and employment for the cattle industry in the state of California. Stop playing the victim.
The land was stolen from the Miwok tribes by the Spanish in the 16th century. So the fact that ranchers want to use 150 years of operation as precedent immediately becomes invalid with fact that the Native American tribes have more right to the land then anyone. Of course no one wants to talk about about that. So opening the lands to wildlife like the Elk is the only just action along with putting the ranchers on notice to vacate.
First and foremost that rancher is a d*mn liar. If you go to Kehoe Beach, in the same area, there are elk grazing on Clover Dairy farmland and it’s still operating. He should just work WITH DFW and let the elk roam the farm land. I’m a hunter and I would LOVE to see elk roaming the coast again.
An aerial view would have been nice..... So, the dairy cows are in fenced in pasture(s). It looks like there is a land boundary between the cattle fence and the elk fence. Am I picturing that correctly? If that's the case, why not place the elk fence around the cattle pasture(s)?
The ranchers are grazing cattle on park lands by agreement. The ranchers have either too little land of their own, maybe having sold some for $s in the past, or too many cattle for the land they do own.
@@jonathanleonard1152 I get that part. What I don't understand is what the site actual looks like. Is there an area of land between the elk fence and the cattle pasture(s)? Or are the areas adjacent?
@@BuzzyStreetthe elk are trapped on a point of land at the end of a peninsula. There is nowhere for them to go but the ocean. It’s a beautiful national seashore and the ranches need to go. They polluted all of the lagoons and waterways etc. there are many better places to have dairy farms this isn’t one of them.
Interesting that the Park got rid of the oyster farms inside Point Reyes but do not want to impact the dairy farms -- although this was a decades long agreement, it's time for the ranchers to stop using the Park for grazing their cattle, and they know it! It's wild versus domestic animals now.
Elk antlers are very valuable to Chinese as an afrodesiac thats why collecting is against the law, some politician wants all the money for theirself, like picking gold nuggets off the ground
the ranchers have been there for many years! most elk will find a way to the water. "activist"s" also want to get rid of the oyster farms that have been there for 70 years!
When the property was taken over by NPS, the ranchers were given about 20 years to make plans to leave. They have ranches at taxpayers expense: they pay about half market value to graze there. Taxpayers also pay for cleanup of polluted waterways full of cattle feces. Fresh water is scarce there, and cattle fencing prevented elk from getting to water during the drought - dozens died. Taxpayers also funded several $$million of the cleanup after the oyster farms left. They didn't comply with the conditions of their leases and left an expensive toxic mess when they left.
And you know that's really stupid of them and the Park system. It's not hurting us or anyone except for the crybabies who just want to make a statement.
The ranches don't belong in the park and should be removed. They should have been immediately removed when the ranchers were paid for their land decades ago. People like Strauss are the problem, but I certainly hope he's right that removal of the fence will be the end of farming in this National Seashore. Something not mentioned in this report is that cattle ranching is one of the biggest environmental harms on the planet. There is nothing at all natural about animal agriculture like this, and volumes have been written about the extreme ecological harms it causes. The ranching industry has caused more environmental and ecological harm in the western U.S. than any other industry. But instead of at least mentioning anything about this, this "news" report uses a propaganda technique called false equivalence, characterizing this issue as just environmentalists on one side and ranchers on the other, with no information about the great harms that the ranchers and their cattle are causing and acting as if these are two equally legitimate sides. Nothing could be further from the truth.
@@nobodyspecial4702 Cattle are EVERYWHERE in the west, that's why they've caused the most harm. Of course mining is also harmful, but a lot more land has been harmed and even destroyed by cattle than by mines, coal or otherwise.
No, they just need to make sure that the native predators are there to do that. There should be mountain lions there, that should be good enough. There is no hunting in National Parks, nor should there ever be.
The rancher should be able to stay. The fence should be taken down. They can co exist. And why not give it a try anyway. The elk would benefit from the salt block's that the rancher put out and there should be enough water for both and should be enough food for all.
@@californianorma876 Every crop within a 40 + mile radius of the elk fence. THAT'S what the activist want, they want the elk to live off the farm lands so they don't die.
the ranchers/farms in point reyes are already operating at taxpayer expense because they pay way below market rates on that land. Strauss creamery and other ranches in point reyes are making a profit thanks to your tax dollars.
It’s so important to eat meat and diary. In Russia, one of the things that Putin did to improve their beef (from shoe leather) was to import American cattle, and American cattle ranchers as consultants. My doctor recently took some of my blood and was amazed. She asked if I was a vegetarian. No, but I eat very little meat in that I am poor and unable to cook. She suggested I eat more red meat. Grass fed is the best, for sure. So, I am now trying. I love beef, chicken, fish, eggs, and dairy. I am very active, even at 61. (Hike, run, surf swim, walk, and work physically.) Now, I will be eating more red meat. Stock in the Beyond Meat, meat substitute, is dropping. “Disruptive” is not sustainable, from a financial standpoint. As it seems to be turning out, nothing that is disruptive is sustainable. Or, it’s just that the great American experiment is over. It is imploding. It may all be part of a bigger plan, (not to be too extreme). It’s just our own local participation. Disruption is disrupting the disruption that is America (and American). It’s confusing, and sad, to me. In conclusion, we are so blessed to have local farming. Closing farming/ranching means bringing it in from elsehwhere. As the population grows in West Marin, this will have a huge impact on the environment. We wil need more roads to handle more trucking, etc… It’s too bad we can’t find more of a balance, both politically, and with nature. (The Native Americans could be consulted.) Let’s hope for a brighter future for all.
These are mostly dairy cattle. No one is closing down farming in West Marin - this is public property (National Seashore) where the ranchers have known for 20+ years that they had leases which would end at a certain time. Taxpayers subsidize their grazing, clean water, and so forth - the ranchers have a very sweet deal.
The ONLY reason that humans need animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) is for vitamin B-12, and we need so little of it that you could eat meat once or twice/month and you'd get enough. And wild meat, whether white or red, is much healthier and better for the environment than farmed meat (tastes much better too). You can get all the protein you need from plants, no need to be eating meat more than you do.
I would like to bring attention to H.R.3397 - 118th Congress (2023-2024) South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem was speaking against this new proposal which may have passed. There are a couple of great videos of the hearing on youtube. It regards BLM Land Management.
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The land is unceded stolen land. The ranchers agreed to leave when the park was first created. The ranchers have gone back on their word. They've gone back on the contract.
So, the elk have had to stay out of the park so ranchers can have cheap land? and during a drought. JSMH. I wonder who you had to know, years back, to get that deal. In other parks, ranchers and hunting lodges put gates across public access to keep hikers out of "their" land and the rangers are a little leery of confronting them and if the locked gates stay up they get to keep the land.
well yeah, there shouldn't be FARMS inside national parks. that's ridiculous. Strauss got away with it for this long. Hopefully he has enough money to relocate. He does not have rights to the park. His dairy is not publicly owned. He he a private individual taking advantage of a nature reserve. Disgusting.
Yay!
Even though the ranches were there for 150 years, we did not possess back then the environmental stewardship level (don’t substitute animal husbandry for environmentalism; they’re not the same) of awareness we have today. If it is the right environmental choice, then ranching in West Marin must change. It’s clear cattle ranching has pretty much led to tens of thousands of manure lagoons blighting the lands of America anyway.
For profit business does not belong in a National Park. Especially a business that pollutes the water and air, and destroys native vegetation. And the ranches in the park are heavily subsidized by our tax dollar. They pay zero property tax, get their water at a reduced cost, and our park employees actually do work on maintaining these ranches. West Marin has an abundance of ranches. Remove the fence and allow the elk and other wildlife to roam free. It is a National Park. The ranch owners were paid millions to vacate, and yet they still think they deserve to be there. They are out of touch privileged elite.
MANY holes in this reporting. It's a proposed change which will take public comments later this summer. The ranchers were given approx 20 years to end operations when the National Seashore opened, and they have gone way past that deadline. The ranchers farm at public expense - they pay about half of market value to graze. The area also has severe water toxicity issues with waterways poisoned by fecal matter from these ranches. Taxpayers pay to clean that up too. It's part of the National Park system: for the preservation of unique habitat and wildlife, and for recreation. It's not a little scuffle between enviros and ranchers - it's part of the NPS mandate to protect species. Hundreds of elk have already died there during the drought, as fences prevented them from accessing water, which is inexcusable.
Fecal matter from Elk is not toxic compared to cattle fecal matter? Like to see your source and data on that.
So what. They are still American citizens aren't they. They still have a right to make a living don't they besides the ranches were there for even longer than 20 years, even before the elk was relocated there. I believe they should be given a chance to coexist together and why shouldn't they get the chance. And the ranchers do supply us with beef.
@@mefirst5427the fecal matter from the cows is highly concentrated. It makes half of the park smell like shit and pollutes the lagoons. 26 dairy farms will not make a difference to the food supply
@@paulbegley1464these are dairy farms.
@@Winstonrodney6989 So. Got milk.
It’s a park right? Do you guys in the states allow ranching in your parks????
Ranching - for profit- in the park- for public. Yeah, one of those things doesn't belong in the other.
Why. It only benefit us all. That kind of protection is going too far. Let them have a chance to coexist together. What's your problem with that ?
These ranches were there before the park.
Yes, thank you
The elk were there before the ranchers along with Coast Miwok who were evicted.
Fabulous! First of all, Tule Elk consume a fraction of the water and grasses that cattle do.Secondly, a National Park should be wild and natural, like Yosemite, not contaminated with fecal matter and calf isolation crates. This land was intended to be a public wild area when it was signed in 1962 by President Robert Kennedy. The transition will be challenging, but it is a long time coming. Bravo to the Park Service for hearing the Public opinions, which are to remove the ranches, and cease further expanded commercialization, hopefully... Actually we don't know when the information. Fingers crossed, and there is plenty of land and employment for the cattle industry in the state of California. Stop playing the victim.
The land was stolen from the Miwok tribes by the Spanish in the 16th century. So the fact that ranchers want to use 150 years of operation as precedent immediately becomes invalid with fact that the Native American tribes have more right to the land then anyone. Of course no one wants to talk about about that. So opening the lands to wildlife like the Elk is the only just action along with putting the ranchers on notice to vacate.
Don't hold your breath, they never honored the treaties that are still in affect. They never repealed them or anything.
The lands weren't stolen. The natives were too weak to keep it. Oh well, that's what happened all over the world and yet only Natives cry about it.
First and foremost that rancher is a d*mn liar. If you go to Kehoe Beach, in the same area, there are elk grazing on Clover Dairy farmland and it’s still operating. He should just work WITH DFW and let the elk roam the farm land. I’m a hunter and I would LOVE to see elk roaming the coast again.
I need to get a Save the Elk Shirt
😃😃😄😄😄😄
An aerial view would have been nice.....
So, the dairy cows are in fenced in pasture(s). It looks like there is a land boundary between the cattle fence and the elk fence. Am I picturing that correctly? If that's the case, why not place the elk fence around the cattle pasture(s)?
The ranchers are grazing cattle on park lands by agreement. The ranchers have either too little land of their own, maybe having sold some for $s in the past, or too many cattle for the land they do own.
@@jonathanleonard1152
I get that part. What I don't understand is what the site actual looks like. Is there an area of land between the elk fence and the cattle pasture(s)? Or are the areas adjacent?
@@BuzzyStreetthe elk are trapped on a point of land at the end of a peninsula. There is nowhere for them to go but the ocean. It’s a beautiful national seashore and the ranches need to go. They polluted all of the lagoons and waterways etc. there are many better places to have dairy farms this isn’t one of them.
@@Winstonrodney6989
Thanks. I get all that. I'm not sure how to word my question. Maybe I just need to find an overhead shot.
@@BuzzyStreet the cows pretty much roam free.
bummed to learn that Strauss is one of the ranches out there, surprised it's not a PR issue for them
Interesting that the Park got rid of the oyster farms inside Point Reyes but do not want to impact the dairy farms -- although this was a decades long agreement, it's time for the ranchers to stop using the Park for grazing their cattle, and they know it! It's wild versus domestic animals now.
Elk antlers are very valuable to Chinese as an afrodesiac thats why collecting is against the law, some politician wants all the money for theirself, like picking gold nuggets off the ground
Maybe get into a more sustainable business?
Coexist people!
Boycott Strauss
the ranchers have been there for many years! most elk will find a way to the water. "activist"s" also want to get rid of the oyster farms that have been there for 70 years!
When the property was taken over by NPS, the ranchers were given about 20 years to make plans to leave. They have ranches at taxpayers expense: they pay about half market value to graze there. Taxpayers also pay for cleanup of polluted waterways full of cattle feces. Fresh water is scarce there, and cattle fencing prevented elk from getting to water during the drought - dozens died. Taxpayers also funded several $$million of the cleanup after the oyster farms left. They didn't comply with the conditions of their leases and left an expensive toxic mess when they left.
@@eh3477 last heard, there are too many elk there to sustain already.
And you know that's really stupid of them and the Park system. It's not hurting us or anyone except for the crybabies who just want to make a statement.
Sounds like communism to me. Why should ranchers benefit off of the land? "Free stuff for me but not for thee."
The elk have been there for a lot longer than the ranchers
The ranches don't belong in the park and should be removed. They should have been immediately removed when the ranchers were paid for their land decades ago. People like Strauss are the problem, but I certainly hope he's right that removal of the fence will be the end of farming in this National Seashore.
Something not mentioned in this report is that cattle ranching is one of the biggest environmental harms on the planet. There is nothing at all natural about animal agriculture like this, and volumes have been written about the extreme ecological harms it causes. The ranching industry has caused more environmental and ecological harm in the western U.S. than any other industry. But instead of at least mentioning anything about this, this "news" report uses a propaganda technique called false equivalence, characterizing this issue as just environmentalists on one side and ranchers on the other, with no information about the great harms that the ranchers and their cattle are causing and acting as if these are two equally legitimate sides. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Coal would say different.
@@nobodyspecial4702 Cattle are EVERYWHERE in the west, that's why they've caused the most harm. Of course mining is also harmful, but a lot more land has been harmed and even destroyed by cattle than by mines, coal or otherwise.
Yummy elk meat!
It's not easy to get a tag.
Save the ranchers
Adapt or fail. No more hand outs.
They need to let hunters manage the elk once the farmers are gone
No, they just need to make sure that the native predators are there to do that. There should be mountain lions there, that should be good enough. There is no hunting in National Parks, nor should there ever be.
Activist are a real issue, not the elk fence!
The ranchers are moochers.
@@_orangutan 👈Someones a wannabe activist!
The rancher should be able to stay. The fence should be taken down. They can co exist. And why not give it a try anyway. The elk would benefit from the salt block's that the rancher put out and there should be enough water for both and should be enough food for all.
Ranchers should leave Communist territory 😢
Not one of these Activist own farm. Farm owners can't afford to have crops damaged by elk. That just cost the taxpayers more money for bailouts!
Adapt or fail. That's the capitalism way. Enough with the hand outs.
What kind of crops do you think Elk are going to damage? We're talking about cows versus elk. Not crops. 🤦🏽♀️
@@californianorma876 Every crop within a 40 + mile radius of the elk fence. THAT'S what the activist want, they want the elk to live off the farm lands so they don't die.
What crops? These are dairy and cattle ranches in a National Park. They don’t grow crops.
the ranchers/farms in point reyes are already operating at taxpayer expense because they pay way below market rates on that land. Strauss creamery and other ranches in point reyes are making a profit thanks to your tax dollars.
It’s so important to eat meat and diary. In Russia, one of the things that Putin did to improve their beef (from shoe leather) was to import American cattle, and American cattle ranchers as consultants.
My doctor recently took some of my blood and was amazed. She asked if I was a vegetarian. No, but I eat very little meat in that I am poor and unable to cook. She suggested I eat more red meat. Grass fed is the best, for sure. So, I am now trying. I love beef, chicken, fish, eggs, and dairy. I am very active, even at 61. (Hike, run, surf swim, walk, and work physically.) Now, I will be eating more red meat.
Stock in the Beyond Meat, meat substitute, is dropping. “Disruptive” is not sustainable, from a financial standpoint. As it seems to be turning out, nothing that is disruptive is sustainable. Or, it’s just that the great American experiment is over. It is imploding. It may all be part of a bigger plan, (not to be too extreme). It’s just our own local participation. Disruption is disrupting the disruption that is America (and American). It’s confusing, and sad, to me.
In conclusion, we are so blessed to have local farming. Closing farming/ranching means bringing it in from elsehwhere. As the population grows in West Marin, this will have a huge impact on the environment. We wil need more roads to handle more trucking, etc… It’s too bad we can’t find more of a balance, both politically, and with nature. (The Native Americans could be consulted.) Let’s hope for a brighter future for all.
These are mostly dairy cattle. No one is closing down farming in West Marin - this is public property (National Seashore) where the ranchers have known for 20+ years that they had leases which would end at a certain time. Taxpayers subsidize their grazing, clean water, and so forth - the ranchers have a very sweet deal.
I'm hearing that it better for you. Besides I won't eat those bugs they are trying to push onto us.
@@eh3477 And again I say so what .
Your doctor had perhaps one nutrition class during their entire medical career. I would not put any stock in nutrition advice from a medical doctor.
The ONLY reason that humans need animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) is for vitamin B-12, and we need so little of it that you could eat meat once or twice/month and you'd get enough. And wild meat, whether white or red, is much healthier and better for the environment than farmed meat (tastes much better too). You can get all the protein you need from plants, no need to be eating meat more than you do.
I would like to bring attention to H.R.3397 - 118th Congress (2023-2024) South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem was speaking against this new proposal which may have passed. There are a couple of great videos of the hearing on youtube. It regards BLM Land Management.
That's BLM rule, not National Parks. Noem wants more oil and gas leasing in her state, that's why she's involved.
@@eh3477 So grazing is not conservation?
Imagine comparing how many years your family has been on stolen land, to animals native there for thousands 😂