This is so AWESOME! I Grew up on Air Force bases and now live 70 miles from an International Airport, 15 miles from a Reserve Airport, and 10 miles from a Medi-Vac helicopter pad. Internationals are less viewable & noisy due to their altitude, Reserve are less frequent but loud & visible, and the Helicopters rattle the house. So please start with the local helicopters!😃
Hate to break it to you but these are going to be just as loud. A small drone sounds like a weed Wacker so imagine what eight airplane size props are going to be like.
I think their future vision is a little over optimistic. Even carrying six people in their aircraft at a cost rather of an Uber isn’t going to be close. And an airliner in my lifetime? Yeah. Not going to happen.
Doubling every seven years maybe but there are theoretical limits. For Li ion for instance you can't exceed theoretically something like 800 Wh/kg (chemistry). For LiS I believe the limit is 2kWh/kg
Nah, chemical energy has limitations. The "electric" revolution began as a political agenda, born of the "green new deal" proposed by a bartender who doesn't understand the most basic tenets of modern technology. As you watch highly unstable lithium packs in current transportation use burst into savage unquenchable flame, try to imagine it doing the same at 38,000 feet. Sometimes the technology does not follow the propaganda as close as some would like.
Electric planes may not emit pollutants, but their creation, distribution, mainentance (not to mention the mining of materials for the batteries) are some of the areas that emissions are created.
How would these work in (winter) really cold weather? We saw this past winter where EV's didn't do very well as the cold weather drained the batteries too quickly.
1/2 the range , in COLD weather @ Altitude. can be improved w/ battery PRE heat while Charging , before Takeoff. Aircraft needs HEAT pumps , to extract HEAT out of the AIR.
@@markplott4820to “ extract heat out of the air “ you wrote. At high altitudes. Out of thin air. Obviously you never took up thermodynamics upon your schooling. And do you have a fanintest idea of how many heat pumps you would need to fit your magical electric plane in an environment where heat loss is at faster clip ? And the amount of energy it would drain from your batteries ? You just babbled a bunch of non scientific nonsense on your sales pitch. Elon Musk must be desperate to be paying you to go around with these crackpot replies.
Been driving BEVs for 10 years in Indiana. EVs do fine in cold weather. The battery has heaters and a cooling system to keep the battery at the correct temperature range.
In greater Los Angeles, where I live, there are over a millions of people taking car trips each day. Average commute is 40 miles according to a quick Google search, but I forgot to note if that is one way or round trip. Traveling by small vehicles like this in the air has a major constraint: keeping safe space between vehicles up in the air. Taking a flight in something like this from downtown or a suburb to a major airport has a further constraint: Large airliners are traveling much faster than smaller planes. Airports that service large airliners have large KEEP Out Zones for small planes to avoid collision. I like the idea, and I like the new tech, but if it gets off the ground (pun not intended, but I'll take it) expect it to carry a small niche of travelers in urban areas. On the other hand, it might possibly make major changes in travel in less densely populated areas. Until the improved travel situation in such areas attract more people and they become densely populated
@markplott4820 exponential would be approaching infinity. Exponential decay maybe, but i'd probably say its logarithmic, as the gains will eventually approach zero. Battery energy density gains follow a logarithmic curve: rapid initial improvements have plateaued. With next-gen batteries nearing peak efficiency, further gains are minimal. We must now explore non-traditional storage methods to achieve significant advancements.
My problem with electric aircraft is that unlike a combustion engine, electric doesn't lose weight as it uses fuel. Which shortens range and carrying capacity.
That is a logical deduction. In a nutshell , a battery powered airplane would lose reserve energy while carrying the same weight throughout its itinerary. And discounting inevitable range loss due to lower temperatures at higher altitude. Hey, for as long as there is no strings attached cheap money to bankroll , these crackpot inventors will defy logic just so they can get funding.
When emissions comes up they show a 4-turbine, 500-knot jet that’ll take 250 passengers anywhere… but these EVs compare to something like a Cessna. And environmentally from production through use through recycle there’s not much of a difference. An EV that could transport 200 people across the country, let alone around the world, would require so much battery weight it’d never get off the ground. The EVs have some neat advantages and It seems hard to be negative about these things but every new large LI battery seems like another wart on the landscape and until some kind of breakthrough these things are niche toys.
@@FatherGapon-gw6yo Because an electric aircraft, even with a generator, is safer, cheaper and simpler to fly than a turbine aircraft. The generators can be run on hydrogen or even regular old gas.
First of all, why EVTOL? If you wanna make flying taxis, what benefit does it have over an electric helicopter? Second of all, while I think there is a market for electric flying vehicles, I do not see electric airliners becoming common place for one simple reason: they are MUCH slower than a jetliner. Sure, it's nice how much quieter they are, but flying from the East Coast to the West Coast takes about 6 hours now on a jetliner (5 if you're flying west to east). I don't see most people, myself included, being willing to put up with anything longer than that, even if it does mean a quieter flight.
No, we are not finding that. We are finding that legacy auto makers, big oil and Murdoch are very good at lying and lobbying. In China, 60% of new auto sales are EV's and they have completey replaced coal-fired plants with solar power. Biden tried but the lobbyists are too tough.
As a 32 year combined airline and corporate pilot, I see one too many variables that would ground this fantasyland gimmick in a heartbeat. When you deal with peoples lives in aviation, failure is not an option.
The Wright Brothers plane wasn't all that and couldn't carry a load of people either when they first invented it. With your defeatist attitude, you would not be the airline pilot you are today.
The chase plane, full of people will be slower than the electric plane with 1 person. It’s a weight and gravity thing, physics you understand. And to say electric planes produce zero emissions is an outright lie. It may be less, but it is not zero emissions. Those batteries took a lot of carbon fuels to manufacture and transport. Don’t be so disrespectful to the people.
In Vermont, the state we were in, 90% of energy is generated renewably--and, in fact, in Burlington, where the airplane company is, it's 100%! In any case, the U.S. is gradually reducing its fossil-fuel use for power-so every single year, the electric planes (compared to jet fuel) look better and better.
FALSE , twin engine turbo prop is already slower than Electric plane w/ Multiple motors. turbo ICE is a , NO GO scenario. also most twin engine planes only 3 - 4 blades vs 6 blade Electric is possible.
#578 Coal-fired grid charging heavy battery plane with 50% less passenger capacity. Right. They're going for 'Renewable Energy! Solyndra. If you knew the whole Solyndra Solar City et al story, you would vömít."
@@markplott4820 funny you mention that as Embraer is reconsidering to going back on improved turbo prop engines in some of its fuselages. But naturally you would know more than Embraer’s corps of Engineers and its ITA brain trust on the subject.
@@DavidPogueRenewable you mean bought from Canada ( a.k.a. Quebec Hydro ) . Because Northern Nee England ain’t the Southwest as far as solar engineering generating capacity. And as for touting the next big green thing. ….until the day battery power can reliably match or surpass aviation fuel energy density , you are just building a toy.
The air taxis are shooting for 100-200 miles in the first generation. the Idea is they are designed to make 20-30 mile one way trips with charging pads at the landing pads. Recently Joby added a ICE generator to their EVTOL and made a 400 mile one way trip. Again, as battery tech improves, so will the range. They are designed to have the batteries removed for easy maintenance, so plugging in upgraded batteries a few years later IS and option.
Beta's CEO, Clark, is mistaken, Beta is not the only company flying people in electric airplanes. There's Ehang, Volocopter, Electra, Vertical Aerospace, and quite a few traditional airplanes that have been converted to battery electric, hydrogen fuel cell electric, or hybrid electric that are flying with people on board.
@@markplott4820Y#588 "Wind and solar are 10% of the grid and non-aligned with air travel corridors. The cost delivered of wind and solar is 3x higher than the grid. Battery weight will reduce passenger capacity by 1/3rd. 8th grade math ticket would cost 10x more to fly EV, NONE of airport maintenance mechanics are rated as 400V electricians. This will never fly. It's a 'carbon credits' scheme, like Solyndra."
Being an aviation geek and knowing amounts of improvement made to conventional jets over last century, it will require lots of time for me to get into these scaled up drones by an unknown company. YOLO you know.
These are only going to be "useful" for short range flights due to their excess weight. You can't really make the batteries hold more energy or make them lighter. The only alternative fuel source that might work is hydrogen. For moving people short distances buses, and trams are going to be faster and safer on average. Let's fund public transit!
that is a question only the future can answer. we should not be dismissive of small steps in the present because there is a lot to figure out and learn. if you were to witness the wright brothers airplane flying for the first time you would probably ask how can such an aircraft carry an entire bus load of people and luggage
@@coreysuffield Spoken like a forward thinker that looks to what is possible in the future. Not what is impossible now. That's how the impossible becomes possible.
Simple. Currently jet engines burn liquid fuel to heat air flowing through them. Improved battery technology will allow the air to be electrically heated to the same temperatures. The biggest issues for the batteries are the amount of power the batteries can retain and the weight. As mentioned in the story, battery technology is improving, with power levels increasing and weight of the batteries going down.
@@markplott4820 The electric VTOL aircraft in this video is likely way cheaper to fly and maintain that gas helicopters. Per Wikipedia the Super Stallion is $20K/hour. I'm sure the Chinook is even more costly.
Love the green new deal image lol. It’s about money and safety and I’m good with that. If it’s cleaner than that’s a win win. I’d love to bolt up electric motor on my plane for reliability.
(note (regarding text directly below this note): findings of unobjective language in the audio of this video) "a clumsy acronym"; "a so-called vertiport"; "Well, this sounds great"; "So, what's the hold up"; "Consultant Sergio Cecutta can tell you what the last hold up is"; "two strange aspects"; "Really, the world's first electric planes will make history by carrying boxes"; "For consultant Cecutta, that makes perfect sense"; "Today, every airline has a desperate pilot shortage"; "Fortunately, flying these planes, isn't rocket science"; "Why Vermont? It it seems like all the engineers and the programmers are in Silicon Valley"
Sérgio is some sort of “consultant “. A glorified salesmen. Honestly, This reads like some fluff piece from CBS. The Vermont thing , well actually Vermont is not as backwater as you might concede, despite its bucolic rural setting. . IBM has a local presence there. And University of Vermont at Burlington has a decent amount of grant money tied on research.
As amazing as helicopters are, a small EVTOL aircraft that can achieve the flexibility of a helicopter with the speed of a plane would mean safer and more efficient air ambulances while also being less polluting both environmentally and in terms of noise. Can’t wait :)
If a good substitute for Lithium is discovered, available from US resources, electric land and air vehicles can replace other fuel powered vehicles. Government subsidies are paid for by taxes.
For this business to work you need a very high demand for helicopters, which obviously perform the same task already. And there isn't any abnormal surge in demand for short hops. Beautiful machines? Yes! But doomed to fail.
100 years of aviation and the next best thing is a propeller powered aircraft. Admiral Rickover and the US Navy engineered the world's first nuclear powered submrine in just under 4 years (1949-1953), and under budget. The fact that the world has not yet implemented anti-gravity commercial aircraft in widespread use at this point in time should really give one pause for thought
@@markplott4820 All fans have blades. Open blades , helicoidal blades, radial blades. Period. The blade is the essential element in a fan design. Or a propeller. And as for your engineering ….credibility, zero. With or without blades.
I'd be skeptical about going the long distance in an electric plane... Worrying That it might NOT make the distance.... NOT too fond of planes right NOW.... So..????? 😊 just my opinion
@@markplott4820You are very clever at dodging every question and proposing false solutions. Heat pumps don't work at 35,000 feet where it's 60° below zero, for example.
No mention of speed or knots per hour. Prop planes fly a fraction of the speed of jets. So electric planes cannot replace jets for long distance travel.
Aviation is the last place for this "tech". Airlines make money by keeping their planes flying as much as possible. That. and designing a CERTIFIED new airframe and power plant for commercial use takes 20 years.
Electric plane have a huge disadvantage; they never get lighter during a flight. They have to basically always carry a "full load" throughout the flight and during the landing.
To put it briefly: whoosh. A lot of air. Think about the infrastructure in those 10 years. These things are powerhouses. Electric jet, boosting down the runway. Just waiting on the battery capacity. But once you have it, planes, trains, automobiles, produce trucks, ocean freight - wait for it: everything! Makes for a lot going on at a far more efficient level. Leveling up. See ya!
Commercial airlines fly at up to 40,000 feet and at over 500 knots. Some carry 200 for up to 9000 miles. So electric powered craft will match these numbers in 30 to 40 years???
The planes themselves don’t have emissions, but the more demand for electricity the more fossil fuels are burnt to create the electricity, spewing out more emissions than taking jet planes.
Autonomous aviation is doable, autonomous cars will never be doable. Reason: autonomous aviation can be allocated airspace and peer-to-peer communications would avoid collisions. Given reasonable GPS, autonomous aircraft won't smash into mountains or tall buildings, and they won't need to rely on cameras like autonomous cars do.
Bad Math. 7% doubles every 10 years it’s 10% that doubles every seven years. It’s not encouraging to have an engineer who doesn’t understand basic math
This tech is not new. It just hasn't been used because it isn't commercially viable. Batteries are HEAVY, and unless we invent some new elements on the periodic table, they always will be. Weight is the sworn enemy of all things that want to be airborne.
@@xiaoka Airplanes make money the same way as trucks do: there is enough weight capacity left over after the fuel, the crew, and the machine itself to haul things that make the owner money. With a heavy battery that capacity, and by extension the earning potential of the machine, is too limited.
There are literally BILLIONS of dollars in just the leading companies (Joby, Archer) from airlines (Delta, United), automakers (Stellantis, Toyota) as well as the US Department of Defense. This is happening, and VERY SOON!
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Once people realize that atmospheric co2 has risen but the atmosphere has not warmed, then all these BILLIONS in pet projects will be dropped.
Electric planes : The future of aviation ? That would be an INCREDIBLY ROBUST NO. Unless and until the "energy density" of a battery - or other source - gets even close to liquid gasoline - electric powered aircraft are not going to "take off".
"Archer is creating "air taxis." You'll board the air taxi from a so-called "vertiport" downtown, and then fly to the airport, for example, in just a few minutes to catch your traditional flight. Adam Goldstein, the founder and CEO of Archer, says your eVTOL flight will cost about as much as an Uber or Lyft ride." What's new? eVTOLs 1917 (PKZ1) Airtaxis 1919 JFK Manhattan flights 1953 (New York Airways) As cheap as Uber when Uber vehicle cost $25k vs $5M for a Midnight and an Uber driver earns a lot less than a pilot?
A hydrogen tank and fuel cell would extend the range much more efficiently than battery tech. You could have a smaller battery that the fuel cell could be charging as you fly. Hydrogen is like 1/10th as much weight per energy storage as batteries
my question is, how will airports, cities that host those airports, and their states increase their electrical output capabilities to further accommodate a growing electric-based vehicle infrastructure. We are reluctant to return to Nuclear power which would be the most effective at generating consistent greenish power. We continue to put the cart before the horse, if we do not improve our infrastructure we only hamstring the growth of these new aircraft.
I really hope Delta and other airlines would like to get their wings on those electric planes! For example, Delta would need over two dozen electric flyboys for their hubs in Atlanta, New York, and Detroit! And United wants them for Chicago, Denver, and San Francisco
Pan Am tried this in New York City a few decades ago. Out of their HQ at the now renamed Met Life building. It failed miserably in disaster. It is a toy. Leave at that.
You can't say battery powered and zero emissions about any product with a battery. It is a very cool product but battery manufacturing is an environmental disaster in itself.
If the FFA approves Boeing planes, it will surely approve these.
The Future Farmers of America?
Boeing has lobbyists these folks dont'. That is the true difference
@@Island_Line_Rail_Productions
LOL! 😅
This technology is progressing much faster in Europe than in North America they are leading the world in this technology
It knows how to do that for decades. This is new, so they hate to learn new stuff.
This is so AWESOME! I Grew up on Air Force bases and now live 70 miles from an International Airport, 15 miles from a Reserve Airport, and 10 miles from a Medi-Vac helicopter pad. Internationals are less viewable & noisy due to their altitude, Reserve are less frequent but loud & visible, and the Helicopters rattle the house. So please start with the local helicopters!😃
e- HELI still too HEAVY and limited PAYLOAD.
Then move farther out.
Hate to break it to you but these are going to be just as loud. A small drone sounds like a weed Wacker so imagine what eight airplane size props are going to be like.
don't move near damn airport, problem solved
David is perfect for this episode
Be nice to help avoid noise pollution with these versus the extremely loud jet fueled crafts.
They can't skip one vide without pumping it full of "climate change" propaganda.
bladeless FANS can fix that.
just like a Dyson air Multiplier , but UPSCALED.
Do you miss the sound of steam trains?
All aerial propulsion systems are loud.
@@markplott4820there is lost when you use those type of fans and you still need a blade inside, Dyson fans have blades inside.
Great segment of a show I have watched for over 40 yrs. Hope to ride in one b4 I pass.
Me too❤
I like NOVA better.
You can't beat the variety of topics Sunday Morning covers. Great show!
Probably just so
Whenever I see David Pogue I’m reminded of OceanGate
Isn't that funny. Me too.
I think their future vision is a little over optimistic. Even carrying six people in their aircraft at a cost rather of an Uber isn’t going to be close. And an airliner in my lifetime? Yeah. Not going to happen.
They’d get investors pumping money in once the concept is proven. Delayed profit is a good play here.
The aviation industry is way behind in innovation. Plane are still built like they were built 70 years ago.
I so agree with you. No volume here. Only available for the ultra rich. No way it can scale to regular people.
Simply a replacement for helicopters.
Battery capacity doubling every seven years is starting to sound a lot like the old moore's law of computer processing power in the 80's and 90's.
Except that it's not actually happening.
Doubling every seven years maybe but there are theoretical limits. For Li ion for instance you can't exceed theoretically something like 800 Wh/kg (chemistry). For LiS I believe the limit is 2kWh/kg
Nah, chemical energy has limitations. The "electric" revolution began as a political agenda, born of the "green new deal" proposed by a bartender who doesn't understand the most basic tenets of modern technology. As you watch highly unstable lithium packs in current transportation use burst into savage unquenchable flame, try to imagine it doing the same at 38,000 feet. Sometimes the technology does not follow the propaganda as close as some would like.
These are really great concept or proof of concept vehicles
but , all the Concepts are very BAD designs.
Electric planes may not emit pollutants, but their creation, distribution, mainentance (not to mention the mining of materials for the batteries) are some of the areas that emissions are created.
How would these work in (winter) really cold weather? We saw this past winter where EV's didn't do very well as the cold weather drained the batteries too quickly.
1/2 the range , in COLD weather @ Altitude.
can be improved w/ battery PRE heat while Charging , before Takeoff.
Aircraft needs HEAT pumps , to extract HEAT out of the AIR.
It's 60°s below zero at 35,000 feet. Funny they left that out.
@@markplott4820to “ extract heat out of the air “ you wrote. At high altitudes. Out of thin air.
Obviously you never took up thermodynamics upon your schooling.
And do you have a fanintest idea of how many heat pumps you would need to fit your magical electric plane in an environment where heat loss is at faster clip ? And the amount of energy it would drain from your batteries ?
You just babbled a bunch of non scientific nonsense on your sales pitch.
Elon Musk must be desperate to be paying you to go around with these crackpot replies.
Been driving BEVs for 10 years in Indiana. EVs do fine in cold weather. The battery has heaters and a cooling system to keep the battery at the correct temperature range.
In greater Los Angeles, where I live, there are over a millions of people taking car trips each day. Average commute is 40 miles according to a quick Google search, but I forgot to note if that is one way or round trip. Traveling by small vehicles like this in the air has a major constraint: keeping safe space between vehicles up in the air. Taking a flight in something like this from downtown or a suburb to a major airport has a further constraint: Large airliners are traveling much faster than smaller planes. Airports that service large airliners have large KEEP Out Zones for small planes to avoid collision. I like the idea, and I like the new tech, but if it gets off the ground (pun not intended, but I'll take it) expect it to carry a small niche of travelers in urban areas. On the other hand, it might possibly make major changes in travel in less densely populated areas. Until the improved travel situation in such areas attract more people and they become densely populated
You won't keep doubling every 7 years, just like moores law is no longer applicable. But i guess it sounds great for marketing
its , Actually EXPONENTIAL .non - linear.
You have an answer to just about every doubter huh?
What is exactly you do for a living ?
@markplott4820 exponential would be approaching infinity. Exponential decay maybe, but i'd probably say its logarithmic, as the gains will eventually approach zero. Battery energy density gains follow a logarithmic curve: rapid initial improvements have plateaued. With next-gen batteries nearing peak efficiency, further gains are minimal. We must now explore non-traditional storage methods to achieve significant advancements.
Love flying from the cockpit! It's so freeing❤😊
We going to need a lot of nuclear power plants. Between everything becoming battery powered and mega AI data centers.
NOPE , Nuclear in 2024 is already too Expensive.
SOLAR & WIND can SCALE faster , and Deploy FASTER.
see - Tony Siba Disruption of ENERGY.
nuclear waste, your great great grandchildren's problem
I’m off-grid, and have no problem charging my electric car from my home’s solar. I think home solar is the answer.
@@markplott4820 Solar and wind don't scale well, that and they are unreliable.
In extremely cold weather they will have very short battery charge life, fly time and not be able to use the heater at all.
My problem with electric aircraft is that unlike a combustion engine, electric doesn't lose weight as it uses fuel. Which shortens range and carrying capacity.
#478 "WARNING: 10% BATTERY LOW!
If you have to make an EVA forced landing, everyone will be pyrotechnically incinerated. "
That is a logical deduction.
In a nutshell , a battery powered airplane would lose reserve energy while carrying the same weight throughout its itinerary.
And discounting inevitable range loss due to lower temperatures at higher altitude.
Hey, for as long as there is no strings attached cheap money to bankroll , these crackpot inventors will defy logic just so they can get funding.
@@robertmarmaduke186batteries scare you
Does it matter if it ultimately has the range you need?
@@bruceyboy7349 It's way less efficient. It matters.
When emissions comes up they show a 4-turbine, 500-knot jet that’ll take 250 passengers anywhere… but these EVs compare to something like a Cessna. And environmentally from production through use through recycle there’s not much of a difference. An EV that could transport 200 people across the country, let alone around the world, would require so much battery weight it’d never get off the ground. The EVs have some neat advantages and It seems hard to be negative about these things but every new large LI battery seems like another wart on the landscape and until some kind of breakthrough these things are niche toys.
Vermont technical center in Randolph needs an aviation program and let's request some funding for them
Archer!
Archer sucks. They're just a worse version of Joby. They're PR team is more talented than their engineers. Pterodynamics is better than both.
Put a small turbine on it to run a generator and you'd probably have one heck of a hybrid.... For longer flights?
Just ditch all the electric for turbines
Has just recently been done by Joby. The range doubled.
@@FatherGapon-gw6yo Because an electric aircraft, even with a generator, is safer, cheaper and simpler to fly than a turbine aircraft. The generators can be run on hydrogen or even regular old gas.
You want to add drag to create power?
@@martinwhite418 where does the drag come from?
Infrastructure required to generate electricity ?
Where do they plug in ?
How long to fully charge ?
First of all, why EVTOL? If you wanna make flying taxis, what benefit does it have over an electric helicopter? Second of all, while I think there is a market for electric flying vehicles, I do not see electric airliners becoming common place for one simple reason: they are MUCH slower than a jetliner. Sure, it's nice how much quieter they are, but flying from the East Coast to the West Coast takes about 6 hours now on a jetliner (5 if you're flying west to east). I don't see most people, myself included, being willing to put up with anything longer than that, even if it does mean a quieter flight.
Like how EVs were supposed to be the future of vehicles? We were definitely finding that to be not true.
The batteries that's the problem.
in the US maybe.
No, we are not finding that. We are finding that legacy auto makers, big oil and Murdoch are very good at lying and lobbying. In China, 60% of new auto sales are EV's and they have completey replaced coal-fired plants with solar power. Biden tried but the lobbyists are too tough.
@@lcfflc3887Battery technology is jumping forward faster than expected
It's the future if governments aren't obsessed with keeping rich people rich
"electric planes produce no emissions at all" OKAY SURE - just the coal or oil fired power plant that generates the electricity
Thank you for sharing.😊
Batteries are heavy, and they don't lose weight as they discharge while jets get lighter as they use up fuel, making them more efficient.
you dont like the future
@@mike_w-tw6jd You don't like to read apparently.
'Air Corridors' nor ATC have the Capacity to route hundreds or thousands of those eVTOLs safely across Cities, Schools, Powerplants, ...
So cool
As a 32 year combined airline and corporate pilot, I see one too many variables that would ground this fantasyland gimmick in a heartbeat. When you deal with peoples lives in aviation, failure is not an option.
so negative
The Wright Brothers plane wasn't all that and couldn't carry a load of people either when they first invented it. With your defeatist attitude, you would not be the airline pilot you are today.
@@Iris-hx6ox that’s not what your wife said last night ….
@@SpeedNAngels431Great, a delusional two year old.
@@Iris-hx6ox that’s not what your mother said
The chase plane, full of people will be slower than the electric plane with 1 person. It’s a weight and gravity thing, physics you understand. And to say electric planes produce zero emissions is an outright lie. It may be less, but it is not zero emissions. Those batteries took a lot of carbon fuels to manufacture and transport. Don’t be so disrespectful to the people.
In Vermont, the state we were in, 90% of energy is generated renewably--and, in fact, in Burlington, where the airplane company is, it's 100%! In any case, the U.S. is gradually reducing its fossil-fuel use for power-so every single year, the electric planes (compared to jet fuel) look better and better.
FALSE , twin engine turbo prop is already slower than Electric plane w/ Multiple motors.
turbo ICE is a , NO GO scenario.
also most twin engine planes only 3 - 4 blades vs 6 blade Electric is possible.
#578 Coal-fired grid charging heavy battery plane with 50% less passenger capacity. Right. They're going for 'Renewable Energy! Solyndra. If you knew the whole Solyndra Solar City et al story, you would vömít."
@@markplott4820 funny you mention that as Embraer is reconsidering to going back on improved turbo prop engines in some of its fuselages.
But naturally you would know more than Embraer’s corps of Engineers and its ITA brain trust on the subject.
@@DavidPogueRenewable you mean bought from Canada ( a.k.a. Quebec Hydro ) . Because Northern Nee England ain’t the Southwest as far as solar engineering generating capacity.
And as for touting the next big green thing. ….until the day battery power can reliably match or surpass aviation fuel energy density , you are just building a toy.
How many miles can the EP fly before it needs charging and how long does it take to charge the plane before it can take flight again?
With ion propulsion they will be able to fly suborbital!😂🎉
The air taxis are shooting for 100-200 miles in the first generation. the Idea is they are designed to make 20-30 mile one way trips with charging pads at the landing pads. Recently Joby added a ICE generator to their EVTOL and made a 400 mile one way trip. Again, as battery tech improves, so will the range. They are designed to have the batteries removed for easy maintenance, so plugging in upgraded batteries a few years later IS and option.
2 leaders in this space. Joby and Beta, Archer has a long way to go.
Beta's CEO, Clark, is mistaken, Beta is not the only company flying people in electric airplanes. There's Ehang, Volocopter, Electra, Vertical Aerospace, and quite a few traditional airplanes that have been converted to battery electric, hydrogen fuel cell electric, or hybrid electric that are flying with people on board.
No...and, how much Carbon is emitted to charge them? Have you looked at the A&P programs lately?
ZERO if you use Megapacks (4.5Mwh) each and Charged w/ LOCAL Solar or Wind.
@@markplott4820Y#588 "Wind and solar are 10% of the grid and non-aligned with air travel corridors. The cost delivered of wind and solar is 3x higher than the grid. Battery weight will reduce passenger capacity by 1/3rd. 8th grade math ticket would cost 10x more to fly EV, NONE of airport maintenance mechanics are rated as 400V electricians. This will never fly. It's a 'carbon credits' scheme, like Solyndra."
@bivideo7 do your own research, stop watching fox news
Being an aviation geek and knowing amounts of improvement made to conventional jets over last century, it will require lots of time for me to get into these scaled up drones by an unknown company. YOLO you know.
These are only going to be "useful" for short range flights due to their excess weight. You can't really make the batteries hold more energy or make them lighter. The only alternative fuel source that might work is hydrogen. For moving people short distances buses, and trams are going to be faster and safer on average. Let's fund public transit!
Now David... I know you learned your lesson after that trip in the submersibles...😢
How was the electricity generated?
How is an electric plane going to carry 300 people across Atlantic in 4 hours at 35,000 feet ?
We're a long way from that. But the short range air taxis are definitely viable with current tech.
that is a question only the future can answer. we should not be dismissive of small steps in the present because there is a lot to figure out and learn. if you were to witness the wright brothers airplane flying for the first time you would probably ask how can such an aircraft carry an entire bus load of people and luggage
@@coreysuffield Spoken like a forward thinker that looks to what is possible in the future. Not what is impossible now. That's how the impossible becomes possible.
Did you....actually watch this video?
Simple. Currently jet engines burn liquid fuel to heat air flowing through them. Improved battery technology will allow the air to be electrically heated to the same temperatures. The biggest issues for the batteries are the amount of power the batteries can retain and the weight. As mentioned in the story, battery technology is improving, with power levels increasing and weight of the batteries going down.
Go Joby
RIP .
JOBY is years ahead of all the competition. I’m betting on it big time.
Cascading catastrophic failure from one blade letting go. Joby still has work to do to sort this out.
You gotta stop sending David in these experimental vehicles! He barely escaped the submersible!
Did you say the manufacturing plant is in China? Not getting on that plane.
I can see the US military interested in using an aircraft for cargo delivery.
Chinook and Super Stallion already for cargo , Super REIABLE.
@@markplott4820 The electric VTOL aircraft in this video is likely way cheaper to fly and maintain that gas helicopters. Per Wikipedia the Super Stallion is $20K/hour. I'm sure the Chinook is even more costly.
Important point - These evtol emit way less noise when compared to helicopters..!
Not just cargo, but rear area medevac and personnel transportation. Especially when they are automated, think of them as flying HUMVEE'S!
This is very impressive.
There's a Pilot shortage where do I sign up for the future
Love the green new deal image lol. It’s about money and safety and I’m good with that. If it’s cleaner than that’s a win win. I’d love to bolt up electric motor on my plane for reliability.
(note (regarding text directly below this note): findings of unobjective language in the audio of this video)
"a clumsy acronym"; "a so-called vertiport"; "Well, this sounds great"; "So, what's the hold up"; "Consultant Sergio Cecutta can tell you what the last hold up is"; "two strange aspects"; "Really, the world's first electric planes will make history by carrying boxes"; "For consultant Cecutta, that makes perfect sense"; "Today, every airline has a desperate pilot shortage"; "Fortunately, flying these planes, isn't rocket science"; "Why Vermont? It it seems like all the engineers and the programmers are in Silicon Valley"
Sérgio is some sort of “consultant “. A glorified salesmen.
Honestly, This reads like some fluff piece from CBS.
The Vermont thing , well actually Vermont is not as backwater as you might concede, despite its bucolic rural setting. . IBM has a local presence there. And University of Vermont at Burlington has a decent amount of grant money tied on research.
As amazing as helicopters are, a small EVTOL aircraft that can achieve the flexibility of a helicopter with the speed of a plane would mean safer and more efficient air ambulances while also being less polluting both environmentally and in terms of noise. Can’t wait :)
If a good substitute for Lithium is discovered, available from US resources, electric land and air vehicles can replace other fuel powered vehicles. Government subsidies are paid for by taxes.
For this business to work you need a very high demand for helicopters, which obviously perform the same task already. And there isn't any abnormal surge in demand for short hops. Beautiful machines? Yes! But doomed to fail.
100 years of aviation and the next best thing is a propeller powered aircraft.
Admiral Rickover and the US Navy engineered the world's first nuclear powered submrine in just under 4 years (1949-1953), and under budget.
The fact that the world has not yet implemented anti-gravity commercial aircraft in widespread use at this point in time should really give one pause for thought
if you can get Bladeless Fans to work & SCALE , that is the Solution.
Have you perfected that "Anti-gravity" drive? 😅
@@markplott4820
All fans have blades. Open blades , helicoidal blades, radial blades. Period. The blade is the essential element in a fan design. Or a propeller.
And as for your engineering ….credibility, zero. With or without blades.
Maybe try watch a physics channel. Your complaints would actually be grounded in reality.
anti gravity you say? so anything that's already flying? because planes we have since 1900 are "anti-gravity" just fine.
I'd be skeptical about going the long distance in an electric plane... Worrying That it might NOT make the distance.... NOT too fond of planes right NOW.... So..????? 😊 just my opinion
you can charge from ANY Commerical Building @ airport.
often have 400v 3-phase plugs.
though Direct DC - DC Supercharging is FASTER.
@@markplott4820You are very clever at dodging every question and proposing false solutions. Heat pumps don't work at 35,000 feet where it's 60° below zero, for example.
@@robertmarmaduke186you have no green solutions
Do you worry about plane running out of fuel now?
That’s so awesome!
Cost the same as Uber right, why do these company lies. Insurance, regulations, safety alone would make this price impossible.
No mention of speed or knots per hour. Prop planes fly a fraction of the speed of jets. So electric planes cannot replace jets for long distance travel.
Love this!!!! Technology at its BEST!! 💙 🌍
Aviation is the last place for this "tech". Airlines make money by keeping their planes flying as much as possible. That. and designing a CERTIFIED new airframe and power plant for commercial use takes 20 years.
Electric plane have a huge disadvantage; they never get lighter during a flight. They have to basically always carry a "full load" throughout the flight and during the landing.
To put it briefly: whoosh. A lot of air. Think about the infrastructure in those 10 years. These things are powerhouses. Electric jet, boosting down the runway. Just waiting on the battery capacity. But once you have it, planes, trains, automobiles, produce trucks, ocean freight - wait for it: everything! Makes for a lot going on at a far more efficient level. Leveling up. See ya!
BETA is creating their own battery ! The leadership there is the real deal and the founder is an American gem!
Commercial airlines fly at up to 40,000 feet and at over 500 knots. Some carry 200 for up to 9000 miles. So electric powered craft will match these numbers in 30 to 40 years???
It's the future for cities but not long distance
Pilot to co pilot, "what do you mean you forgot to charge the batteries!"
Dont worry we will autorotate on the way down and charge it up.
e-planes cab DC fast charge @ 1000w.
0 - 90% in 15 minutes.
Oh and be sure to put lead back into paint, asbestos in our insulation and let people smoke everywhere they want. Make America great again…..lmfao
@davidcarp5935 ev hater
Just get one of the Boeing inspectors, your be up and running next week. No safety checks required.
Very cool. I want one...
Maybe for general aviation, that I could see.
You don't just "give up" a pilot job at Delta.....
Yeah. Good luck with that. You want to fly over the atlantic on that thing?
I would fly again honestly
The planes themselves don’t have emissions, but the more demand for electricity the more fossil fuels are burnt to create the electricity, spewing out more emissions than taking jet planes.
Autonomous aviation is doable, autonomous cars will never be doable.
Reason: autonomous aviation can be allocated airspace and peer-to-peer communications would avoid collisions. Given reasonable GPS, autonomous aircraft won't smash into mountains or tall buildings, and they won't need to rely on cameras like autonomous cars do.
I don't think the public wants to travel on a plane with out a pilot even if its in 2030 onward
Bad Math. 7% doubles every 10 years it’s 10% that doubles every seven years. It’s not encouraging to have an engineer who doesn’t understand basic math
As long it's not Boeing
This tech is not new. It just hasn't been used because it isn't commercially viable. Batteries are HEAVY, and unless we invent some new elements on the periodic table, they always will be. Weight is the sworn enemy of all things that want to be airborne.
Someone is getting funded . OPMs. Other People’s Money. Probably some Union Pension Fund syphoned by some guilible VC suit.
@@serafinacosta7118obviously everything is a conspiracy.
@@mike_w-tw6jd no, it is just how these “ innovative projects “ get financed or funded. Always OPM. But then , someone will eventually pop the bubble.
Things aren’t commercially viable, until they are.
@@xiaoka Airplanes make money the same way as trucks do: there is enough weight capacity left over after the fuel, the crew, and the machine itself to haul things that make the owner money. With a heavy battery that capacity, and by extension the earning potential of the machine, is too limited.
Air taxi as cheap as an Uber?
Yeah okay. Not when it requires a pilot.
imagine every ordinary citizen flying that thing , you can guess more crash , as if we hadn't enough death by car
There are electric airplanes being made in Slovenia. They are popular trainers as they are very cheap to fly.
a battery fire in flight must be fun
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I was thinking about this since 9 years
my childhood
Awesome!!!
How muck kw it can store and how many kwh it use? Oh and how long it charge.
1000w battery pack , VERY Efficient.
DC FAST charge is possible @ 1000w .
0 - 90% 10 minutes. USE battery PRE condition before Takeoff , max range.
Crossing fingers this does not turn out like David Pogue's Titan submersible report
There are literally BILLIONS of dollars in just the leading companies (Joby, Archer) from airlines (Delta, United), automakers (Stellantis, Toyota) as well as the US Department of Defense. This is happening, and VERY SOON!
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Once people realize that atmospheric co2 has risen but the atmosphere has not warmed, then all these BILLIONS in pet projects will be dropped.
Way to go!
Yes, and im surprised that you didn't take a payout to block the story. Like you do with other technology that will save earth.
No pilot ? that's a scary thought
Electric planes : The future of aviation ?
That would be an INCREDIBLY ROBUST NO.
Unless and until the "energy density" of a battery - or other source - gets even close to liquid gasoline - electric powered aircraft are not going to "take off".
yea, that's the attitude! just say no to innovation!
"Archer is creating "air taxis." You'll board the air taxi from a so-called "vertiport" downtown, and then fly to the airport, for example, in just a few minutes to catch your traditional flight. Adam Goldstein, the founder and CEO of Archer, says your eVTOL flight will cost about as much as an Uber or Lyft ride."
What's new?
eVTOLs 1917 (PKZ1)
Airtaxis 1919
JFK Manhattan flights 1953 (New York Airways)
As cheap as Uber when Uber vehicle cost $25k vs $5M for a Midnight and an Uber driver earns a lot less than a pilot?
DIRECT Boring LOOP Tunnels are FASTER & safer.
Oh I get it. Mark works in behalf of Elon Musk.
Pretty cool 😎 🆒👍🌻✌️
Air Force 1 would be a good start
Air hop ///☁️ a working prototype for evtol goals... Great endeavour.
Cant wait, yesterday was late. Quite, cheap and clean. Ifeal for short jumping and for island country.
As long as it's not made by Boeing, then it will do fine
Awesome 😎 Kool 👍. Do you need a regular pilot's license for that???
They fly themselves. It's safer that way.
Depends how fast you can flap your arms on the step test physical.
@@robertmarmaduke186 I think you're confusing this with a regular boeing plane.
The airlines only have a pilot shortatge because they have been paying pilots so little for so long that it's not as attractive as it used to be.
A hydrogen tank and fuel cell would extend the range much more efficiently than battery tech. You could have a smaller battery that the fuel cell could be charging as you fly. Hydrogen is like 1/10th as much weight per energy storage as batteries
Hydrogen is UNSUSTAINABLE , too Expensive .
MOST Hydrogen is made w/ Fossil Fools.
GREEN hydrogen is ULTRA Expensive. must be trucked in.
Strange that they didn’t mention JOBY has already done exactly that! Over 500 miles range hydrogen/electric.
wrong, nothing efficient about hydrogen
hydrogen is too expensive
my question is, how will airports, cities that host those airports, and their states increase their electrical output capabilities to further accommodate a growing electric-based vehicle infrastructure. We are reluctant to return to Nuclear power which would be the most effective at generating consistent greenish power. We continue to put the cart before the horse, if we do not improve our infrastructure we only hamstring the growth of these new aircraft.
I really hope Delta and other airlines would like to get their wings on those electric planes!
For example, Delta would need over two dozen electric flyboys for their hubs in Atlanta, New York, and Detroit!
And United wants them for Chicago, Denver, and San Francisco
Pan Am tried this in New York City a few decades ago. Out of their HQ at the now renamed Met Life building. It failed miserably in disaster.
It is a toy. Leave at that.
Beta should be making their electric planes in America.
You can't say battery powered and zero emissions about any product with a battery. It is a very cool product but battery manufacturing is an environmental disaster in itself.
FALSE , Tesla makes MOST Enviromental battery in TX, the 4680 Cybercell.
Tesla will make OWN Cathodes soon, will also Refine own Lithium.
see - Tesla IMPACT report 2023/ Batteries.
Oh I get it. You are a troll fot Tesla.
@spneall your "facts" are wrong
still VERY Expensive , too HEAVY, too SLOW , too short RANGE , very limited CARGO & Passengers.
still worthwhile to continue to develop.