If you're wondering, "how did colleges and universities become like this?" - I highly, highly recommend you watch my series with Dr. Lyell Asher. He explains how education schools ("ed" schools) went woke, how wokeness infects every institution, and more: ruclips.net/video/0hybqg81n-M/видео.html
Dear Peter, I am a big fan. I would like to point out that the name calling of people is rather off putting. Please just let the interviewee portrait the people that are trying to bring him down, instead of putting words into his mouth. Keep up the good work.
@@thomasprogli3372 I didn't see a problem with it. I believe that when Peter calls someone a name, he is using it in factual, descriptive sense. Even if it happens to carry some emotional baggage along with it, he's not just using the name for lack of having a valid argument.
I will watch that now : ) Thank you Peter, there are so many people, more than you even know of, that are doing what we can do to help this fight.... I have my own frustrations with my own family as a 42 year old... I was raised very very left wing family. And I've recently realized how blindly tribalistic they are... (I am still left wing BTW, not that it matters). The majority of my family still has no room in their heads for any slight criticism of the left. It has alienated me from my own family, but I can't just lie to them... I'm sick of the left self destructing like this... Sincerely, an admiring subscriber : )
I'm wondering if there was an issue with using a question which forces students to view moral integrity of racial individuals based upon perception of racial groups as a whole?
@@kwahujakquai6726 Are you saying, if I make a good argument and you could not respond in an appropriate manner, you would come after my livelihood? Well at least you are honest.
@@kwahujakquai6726 Every question has to stand on its own, independent of the person asking it. It should have no bearing who is asking if a god or gods exist. Sure the atheist will have a different motive than a theist, but in the end there is only one true answer.
Hanna did not apologize for her part in what Prof Negy endured. I kept waiting for the apology that never came. That lack of an apologetic gesture that would have been healing for both of them was disappointing. That tells me she still has a long way to go in growing up and accepting responsibility as well as understanding that it is a strength, not a weakness to apologize to an individual you have harmed.
Yep, I was waiting too. And you could tell he was miffed about no apology when he said I hope this is healing for you, or whatever his exact words were. It was a long monologue all about her...
Okay, she didn’t say she was sorry for being a part of the woke mob with the intent of bringing Dr Negy down, but her words clearly conveyed that that she regretted it. No explicit apology but maybe because, and while being distracted by being on camera, she was more focused on conveying her error.
It would have been proper for her to apologize to him personally. However, it's more important that she acknowledged that she was wrong to go along with the mob and changed her mind. Negy clearly didn't need an explicit apology and I wouldn't second-guess his judgment on the subject.
@@JonathanRossRogers Curious how you know Negy "clearly didn't need an explicit apology"? Isn't it presumptive to think we know what someone else needs if they didn't say it themselves?
It's been a pleasure taking Professor Negy's class this semester. I had no idea he had to endure this ordeal. I'm truly ashamed for my University and I hope he does well with his lawsuit.
More actually if I was the prof. I would hv challenged her right on the spot - what are you planning to do for me to make amends to compensate me for the harm you cause?! That Peter IS Justice that teaches humility the jey foundational trait her and ALL women are missing!
He doesn't want apologies from the mob, he wants it from the administrators. They're the issue, there have always been young people obsessed with causes, the difference today is institutional capture.
I took several courses with Professor Negy during my undergrad at UCF. He was a fantastic instructor and the mob coming after him was as infuriating as it was predictable. Thanks for taking the time to speak with him, Peter.
@@Hollis_has_questionsThe current academic climate is such that the people who would bother listening to any defense of him are more likely to not have much of an issue with anything he said. Conversely, those who have an issue with anything he said will continue their campaign regardless of how many people “come forward” to defend him, and regardless of any evidence that contradicts what they believe his transgressions are. This is a battle along a thick ideological line. I tried to reach out to the admin overlooking Negy’s show-trial investigation, and of course received no response. Gotta leave it to the courts, which is what he did and it worked out. Hope that answered your question. What did you do?
@@FlakoFalco I always open my big mouth. I write short essays about things I don’t like about contemporary culture, and I also write about what can be done to fix it. I’m used to getting in trouble, so it doesn’t bother me. But I wonder if our strategy is wrong. Perhaps, instead of defending an innocent man, we should attack the philosophy that wants to destroy him. It’s always more productive to go on the offensive, isn’t it? When you’re on the defense, you’re going backwards. Like in chess, e.g., retreating is part of a strategy, but if you don’t at some point take charge and go on the offensive, you’ll never topple the king.
I truly appreciate people like this who never weaken or cave in to bad trends. What a great teacher, it's a true shame him not getting respect when he gives it
You know how I knew Peter was going to be in agreement with the person in the picture when I saw the video image? The person isn't like 20. Peter will never have a conversation with someone over 25 who has media training who disagrees with Peter cuz he'd get mopped up. He's an intellectual Coward.
The truth about Hanna is that she thought she would make more friends and get more validation for the role she played in destroying this professor's life.
🙌 Bingo! That’s the driving force in so much of this- hive-minded validation and approval for selfish, narcissistic, opportunistic and outcast type people.
@Patrick Erwin As a fellow Christian, you should absolutely love and support all of our brothers and sisters of the human race the way that Christ did. Each person has their own sins, for which they’ll have to answer to God, not to us. Their relationship with God is their own, regardless of what their sins are. God bless, spread the gospel through peace and love.
@@TSBricklayer3rd I feel that is what I stated, however I do not have to agree with his lifestyle because after all even Christ admonished bad behavior. I do not plan on walking in the street saying gay people are stupid or bad or what ever terrible thing we could imagine. I refuse to surrender my belief to thought police. Man can live as he wishes I am not judging his eternal soul. As you stated that is up to our Lord God in Heaven.
@@nursejoedand here we go again. Do you not hear yourself? Just because one word in their sentence is not to your liking, you dismiss them out-of-hand? Is that not what we are accusing the wokists of doing? Why not meet someone where they are and gently pull them to your side.
@@Ed-eq8ui That "one word" speaks volumes. Also, trying to pull a theomythophyllic over to reality-based thinking via RUclips comments is...highly unlikely.
It's good Hannah came forward to speak on her change of convictions, but I found it infuriating she didn't give an apology to the poor guy. Even if she did it with the best intentions, she should apologise for the harm she helped cause. The professor was very gracious about it, but I did feel he would have benefitted from a simple apology. A few simple words can mean a lot
@@reeb9016 yeah I mean there is already litigation going on between him and the university and the other parties so I'm sure everybody has to be very careful about what they say
@@thomasgilson6206 In Florida and 38 other states, there are no legal implications of apologising so long as the apology does not admit fault to an illegal act. My impression was that she was more concerned with her own image and transformation than that of Negy's and she didn't apologise because she didn't feel the need to. perhaps I'm wrong with that impression, maybe it was self preservation. It still takes courage to come forward like that and she should have merit for it, but it makes the statement feel slighted without an apology.
She's still young and trying to figure things out. Kudos to her taking a step towards progress. Most people ber age just get this fever of wokeism and get consumed by mob mentality of shoot first without asking questions. Wokeism is like the borg from star trek it just wants to achieve a hive mind and assimilate everything it's path.
Listening to Hannah I get the feeling that there is no remorse even as she admits that she was wrong. To her this realization of wrong doing is just another self centered "journey" that validates her and her sense of importance. No apology! Unbelievable. This is Hannah's world and Charles is just lucky to be there
I think beyond just a perfunctory bit of rhetoric that remains a far cry from a real and genuine apology, is a set of responses that would tip off a very long domino knockdown. Wherever you start, it's a long way to the end.
She is grinning throughout and clearly very enamored with her own story and "celebrity" at having been instrumental in getting Negy fired. She did NOT apologize. She and her generation are the by-products of a society and parents who teach children to focus on themselves and not on cultivating virtue or taking responsibility for their mistakes, even profound ones like hers. She cares more about her newfound status as a "free speech activist" than about the fact that she and her ilk nearly destroyed a man's life. A decent person would have been begging for his forgiveness...
Things like basic respect and common sense aren't values with this cult. They preach respect out of one side of their mouth only. No respect is granted to free thinkers. And the lack of common sense is off the charts. We are at war by other means with these wicked creatures (who could be deprogrammed via philosophy, preferably a boot camp format).
Authoritarian personalities are everywhere- those special ones who just enjoy trampling on people and they do know exactly what they’re doing, they KNOW they’re hiding their malice in fake virtue. It’s not even a question of they really believe they’re doing good. The ones who really have fallen for this are observably over emotional and completely unhinged from cognitive dissonance because on some level they know it’s wrong and that they’re following something they don’t know to be true or are pretending to be good little soldiers because they’re scared of social death more than they care about objective truth. Those people are people who have never overcome the voice of the crowd ever in their lives. It only takes one social death to be strengthened against tyranny and lies. After that it’s like a rebirth of self.
At all times, in all places there are these exact same lunatics who find their safe little perch of influence in the world, if we allow them. Her effects in the world can only be as sick as the society that permits them. She might better off getting compassionate help & support to resolve her psychiatric issues, as a responsible society does.
@@larreye8451 Yet, what she did here is much more than what most would ever consider doing. Her message and thoughts of regret on the matter are clear enough. Let's take it for what it's worth and stop nitpicking.
@@cristisandu5808 Yup. Doubt you'd be able to act perfectly in such a situation in front of a camera. She's young and is taking solid steps to becoming a more critical and reasonable person, and has acknowledged the shit in her past, getting out of both Islam and that. You gain nothing by chastising them for making honest attempts and efforts at ending their involvement. Is it perfect? No. Should it be welcomed and encouraged? Yes.
I think Negy comported himself extremely well in this interview. He's clearly a thoughtful and reasonable man. Hope the next four years fly by for him and he has a happy retirement.
I lost friends too and family. My grandfather no longer talks to my mom and me because we talked crap about Hillary Clinton. He literally told my mom he does not want her at his funeral. Ty for sympathizing with this gentalman. Im sure he needed to hear it more than he admitted. I act the same way, but deep down i needed to hear it. Keep fighting the fine fight, brother.
She should respond with, Always attending a family members funeral even if they contracted an illness. Just because someone has dimentia or Alzhemers doesn't mean you take them seriously, without their symptom related outbursts.
Fuck him. Better to not have a person that stupid in your life them try to have a relationship with them while they drive you nuts with their stupidity
Some people are slow learners. Also it takes a while to work through the layers of programming. She at least shows some potential. Is an apology needed? Most definitely. Will he get one? Possibly if she continues to grow as a person. I know it's not a satisfying answer but it's probably a realistic one.
When he said that about sociopaths, it made me realize they are creating sociopaths within the confines of the schools. The DOE needs to be dismantled.
At my college, too, the standard for harassment changed from unwanted behavior that doesn't stop after a request to any behavior that one finds offensive or unwanted regardless of intent. I learned this through a mandatory harassment training, and I thought this "correct answer" on the harassment quiz training format to be utterly Orwellian.
Really enjoyed this conversation. A good mix of detail about his specific story and the general phenomenon. The end with Hanna was a little weird because she never apologized while she was admitting that she had played a part in getting him fired.
Non-Woke & Anti-Woke individuals aren't limited to just conservatives and right-wingers. There are non-woke/anti-woke liberals & non-woke/anti-woke left-wingers.
I gree up in the 80's and 90's and my friends were Hispanic, mixed vietnamese and white, white as can be cowboy, white, and I'm mixed white and Hispanic. We never had any problems. Our problems were between the headbangers, goths, preps and jocks. Oh how I miss those days.
It's because it's the status quo. The framing of these situations in mainstream discourse is through a pro-woke lens. As a status quo normie, you either don't hear about these situations or you hear about them through the pro-woke distortion "... professor fired for racist remarks...". If you're not already skeptical of woke and such headlines, you'll just be like "man, I can't believe there's so many racists professors".
They have jobs to keep them occupied - it's only us white guys being excluded from everything... you know, despite building everything everyone loves about their stupid little lives.
I find it very interesting that the young woman at the end, for as much as she learned and was able to finally see how wrong she was and how willing she was to admit it and look the professor in the eye to tell him she knows better now, she never bothered to apologize. The professor stood there, and after multiple pauses waiting for what her conclusion would be, he awkwardly congratulated her every time on reaching this newly found understanding for lack of anything else to do because her purpose seemed to be to pat herself on the back for changing her view instead of trying to make amends for the true harm she helped do to this man. That seemed to be what the intention was supposed to be, but no. Why "surprise" someone with a meeting to let them know how wrong you were for doing them harm if you're not going to apologize at a minimum?
They are doing this crap at my alma mater, Rice Univ, and it's overwhelming and repugnant. I have always loved the university, but I'm not sure if I can feel the same way once the whole culture is pushed through.
@orkhaa hey whatever you say tough guy, I have a business, my customers are primarily liberal white women. Had I spoken up the way I had wanted to, I’d be working a low paying job right now. Talk all the shit you want, everyone has to do what’s right for themselves. Care to show us where you made your big public stand?
I normally love your interviews Peter, but you cut him off way too much. That was painful to watch. I mean that with all due respect. I’m guessing it’s because it was loud outside.
I got that feeling too. I thought I was the only one. He wouldn’t let him finish his answer before chiming in with his own opinion or experience. My thought was maybe he’s new to interviewing. The interview is about the guest not the interviewer.
@@silviaturean5387 he is normally a great communicator. Must have been a confluence of circumstances. Being outside with noise, wind, etc probably did not help. Rogan and his guests wear headphones for that reason. It is easy to talk over people.
To be fair he frequently apologizes for interrupting, I think he does it because he wants to fully understand what's being said moment to moment. If you let somebody talk uninterrupted, they might make five great points and then when you respond you forget parts of what they said, often only responding to whatever the last point they made was.
Thank you for sharing such a challenging journey with us Charles. Peter - 'building a new type of institute' is, I agree, likely the best direction to go from here. I truly believe that the majority of our existing universities (here in Canada) are too far gone to repair.
Wow, she can meet the man she wronged face to face and she is smiling and laughing. Not even a tear! How cold and self centered. She should give a little more thought to what he went through.
CS Lewis wrote about charientocracy among academics in the 70s. I've read numerous professors warning us about this SOOO long ago, it's wild were just now seeing it surface
Thank you for fighting this war. I agree that we all need to cross divides to fight this whilst being true to our own beliefs. The fight needs to come from as many areas as possible.
Peter, I took one of your courses when I was in college 7 years ago at PSU. It’s unfortunate to hear so many of your colleagues and friends turned their backs against you. I remember your TA, a guy that looked like Michael Fassbender. Haha nice guy, seemed like you guys were close. Hopefully that relationship was maintained.
I loved what he said at the 10:30 mark, we all have a subjective lived experience. "Lived Experience" is irrelevant, Empirical however stands on it own merit. Crime statistics is not racist - it is objective reality. Objective reality is not attributed to any race, it exists existentially on its own independent of the social-emotinal lens we all look through.
She cannot give him anything beyond affirming his beliefs. An apology from anyone who has abused you is an apology from someone who is abusive - not worth much.
@@AndyJarman I get it. An apology is small thing compared to the abuse. She was so close to just saying “you know, I was wrong. I am sorry for my role”. For me, if she said it, I felt that would be for her to be accountable. He handled it like a champ.
I'm a Christian in belief but the statement of we are in this together is so imperative to understand. I'm imploring the Muslim community to wake up and join us. They don't believe in the degenerative principles that are being forced on them. This is good vs evil. Not left or right, religious vs not. It's truth and lies. Freedom vs tyranny. It's time to find allies in unusual places. We can resume our disagreements civilly if we make it past this.
Fascinating discussion, as always, Peter. Thank you. As a side note, I was holding my breath waiting for Hannah to apologize. Her actions created and caused very real harm - not "being offended" but actual real life harm - to another human being and she just stood there justifying her actions. Good for her owning them and having grown from the experience, but damn, girl. Acknowledge the real harm and apologize.
Wow. Glad I stayed to the end to hear the young woman’s confession - that was beautiful - and yes, a straight “I’m sorry” would have been even better, but let’s be grateful for what comes our way. I mostly just want to say “thank you” to both of you to putting this out. This information is super informative and helpful. I’m a theologically conservative/politically moderate Christian and I’ve been really encouraged by the work you are doing, Peter (and that of other folks like Jordan Peterson & Douglas Murray). In particular, it’s been helpful to me that you guys are not conservative Christians, but rather thinking human beings, who are concerned as concerned as I am about all the crazy that’s going on in our current “space” (ugh, i hate that word abt as much as I hate the appellation “Frisco”🥴) In my unfortunate neck of the woods on the Left Coast, almost all pushback on wokeness is chalked up to “ bigoted, conservative Christians”. So, it’s been refreshing to see that my tribe is much, much bigger and that the arguments against wokeness are not only theological. So, many thanks & I’m happy to link arms in this endeavor.
What I find most disappointing about the exmuslim exwoke lady is that when telling the man who's life she helped to destroy she doesn't start with 'I'm sorry'. She seemed entirely to be seeking a therapeutic effect for herself and not so much relating to him. This distinct lack of empathy is the engine of persecution. She's still a fiend.
Not sure she's a fiend, but she definitely still has a lot to learn about accountability and integrity. But Negy's response was pretty spot-on "I hope this was therapeutic for you".
Just wrote a similar comment before scrolling to find yours. She just seemed invested in her own image, rather than recognising the impact her actions caused. I worry about any individual with that mindset and level of disregard
@@keggg1234 Glad to hear you felt similarly. I suspect that the mindset she had in her birth religion, carried forward to her anti-islam stance, likewise her woke stance and now her anti-woke stance. Many times before I've seen this phenomena with people who have changed their position on an ideology. I call it 'reverse-orbit' (there's probably a better, more technical / psychological word for it). It's as though they still orbit the same Sun/planet, now anti-clockwise apostate rather than clockwise believer, but are still held by the gravitational pull of that Sun/planet. For some people this is a phase during which they cover the ground which had previously been forbidden by their orthodoxy, and in the process they recover some elements of their humanity that had been suppressed. But when there's no expressed empathy, ime, it's often just the same fundamentalist stance but a different target - like when soldiers guarding the perimeter of the city turn around, and turn their guns on that city. This is probably a part of why tribes (ideological or otherwise) have such strong stances against apostates. What do you think?
@@OrwellsHousecat Yes. Those interested in the authoritarian thinking style might read Bob Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" and Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer".
Absolutely agree… I’m in a doctoral program…EdD and there are huge problems. Hoping more people start to see the truth… I’ve also lived in 3 countries and I am white. ….privilege exists in various degrees
I've heard that on the whole, besides departments ending in "....... Studies", Education Departments are among the worst with regard to the level of ideological zealotry.
He doesn’t address the last 400 yrs of racism. He’s looking as if everyone started today as equal. This is what makes him wrong. You can’t land in america and compare and bring in why we are the way we are off of today.
Europeans PURCHASED slaves off African chiefs and kings. President Museveni of Uganda said that about reparations. The Hollywood movie Woman-King celebrates the murderous slave trading Dahomey tribe female warriors fighting against French abolitionists. Western Christian abolitionists were the first time in human history that Man attempted to abolish human slavery everywhere on Planet Earth. Frederick Douglass in 1859 wrote eloquently that he much preferred debating southern slave owners, who understood "individual rights", vs joining with White and Black Christians to establish a new western style constitutional democratic-republic in Africa, run by and for Africans, because "savage chiefs" had been enslaving and selling African people "for ages". Human sacrifice rituals too. Arab Muslims were fully engaged in enslaving Africans, and castration of males, since around 650 AD, which is around 700 years before Europeans like Portuguese begin to sailing to western Africa. Indigenous in the Americas enslaved others and engaged in ritual human sacrifice. China and India had forms of slavery. Marxism sacrificed 10s of millions of humans by intentional starvation, by murder, and by forced labor camps (slavery), to advance a little quicker towards future imaginary goals. Papua New Guinea had slavery and some cannibalism as late as the 1950s. Saudi Arabia didn't outlaw slavery until 1960, due to pressure from President Kennedy or Eisenhower. Slave markets still exist in Libya and Somalia. African-Americans ACTIVELY OPPOSE any discussion of that, preferring to discuss subjective "microaggressions" like white people using black dance moves or posting memes. A few weeks ago, a former NFL player for the Falcons with the LOTTO gang was busted by FBI for human sex slavery and terror in the USA. We celebrate Pimps and Killers through popular music. The only reason we know about "racism" per se is Westerners found it socially necessary to write down complex _moral_ justifications to fit into Christian beliefs and new beliefs about Liberty. African tribal chiefs had no reasons to justify use of brutal raw power and terror to enslave and to kill, and most had no written languages anyhow, so no complex thought or morality, beyond 200 simple words passed down through oral tradition. The "last 400 years of racism" is LITERALLY THAT, the ENDING of 10,000+ years racism, tribalism, and slavery, going back to the Hunter-Gatherer era forward to modern civilization, the beginnings of social evolution to a new higher context. It's idiotic to hate historical Mankind who survived long enough to bring us to the present, simply for being more primitive in past generations. It's also arrogant AF to believe YOU are inherently smarter.
Peter - I love your work. But ya gotta practice listening more. Your insights are brilliant, but your interview style is to jump on everything Negy is saying and interject. It derailed your guest several times and never allowed him to tell his story in a compelling way. Maybe consider focussing on giving your guest plenty of space then tell them you'd like t shift to discussing your perspective. They key to a great interview is LET THEM TELL THEIR STORY. That said - thank you for this important work.
If socialism can be classified, legally, as a religion, and it can be properly identified, then I think that a proper enforcement of the separation of church and state can help this greatly. One of the biggest mistakes the West ever made was to call the "Commies" godless.
You listen to New Discourses. The God of Communism is History with a capital H, with fully socialist awakened Man as an agent of History, a form of God, a part of the Trinity of Dialectics. I know you know that but I wanted to expand on your comment.
We have the college of policing in UK which is exactly the same as the colleges of teaching 😢. Harry millar ex police officer is working towards I believe the destruction of the college of policing. One step at a time and they will all fall as we build new institutions of truth x
LGB that I know utterly reject the forced teaming with T and Q. Nothing in common. T and Q obliterate the idea of same-sex attraction because they deny that biological sex is real, and Q says that CIS homo-normative is Bourgeois, Far Right, and Fascist. Queer opposed gay marriage because family and marriage is bourgeois, normal, and not sufficiently revolutionary and weird-opposition. Being gay is not synonymous with Marxism and promotion of Ped0 and perversion. Queer Theory, according to top academic proponents, is for promotion and normalizing of Ped0 and perversion. Gayle Rubin, Judith Butler, David Halperin, Herbert Marcuse, Michel Foucault, etc. I'm ethnically Jewish and rather recently conservative, in contrast to what I thought I was before.
Peter, thank you again for an excellent interview highlighting the horrible way Professor Negy was treated and probably continues to be. Would you consider doing a program comparing the current social justice movement to the Cultural Revolution in China?
You're right. There is absolutely no accountability, responsibility, or culpability addressed to the perpetrators, predators, ideologues, idiots and mischief-makers who practice this stuff against their targeted victims. Ironically, it is magically manufactured "victims" who supply the necessary fodder for much of this predation against largely innocent people. But it is also the complete lack of consequences that fuels the upswelling of attack with no negative , no negative pushback or reason to stop and dwell on outcomes, no reason to care in the least, and every reason to celebrate the advocacy of punishment without caring about any result, legal or social sanction, or any other reason to desist. Which should remind me of a precocious toddler's dream of tantrum delirium with endless reward for the effort. There is just something incredibly creepy, anti-social, rather infantilized, really, about what goes on. There is no backbone in it, nothing really at stake in it, no concerted effort or gathered and organized and well-presented and backed up belief system. It resembles more the absolute chaos and mayhem encouraged by the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Something the west used to pride itself on comparing itself to, and coming up smelling like roses. Those roses have rotted into an awful stench, lately.
What Hanna displays is the lack of life experience that typifies much of the youth activist scene. Idealism has merit but recognising its limitations seems crucial - and missing.
I HATE that this professor has to add the disclaimer “I’m gay, half Hispanic” as if that has ANY impact or relevance to the empirical data he’s citing.
We are in some sense all beholden to standpoint epistemology, even if we (partly) reject that. I spoke before City Council about LGBTQ issues, beginning with the story of the founder of Gay Liberation 1969 who was beaten up in broad daylight. He was beaten up by Queer activists. When I post on Black crimes, I usually begin with the standpoint of tragedy of Black victims. Black murder victims annual increased from 2500 to 10000 in one decade of the social "coup" by Black Lives Matter. Gotta start somewhere.
@@gg_rider you’re playing the enemy’s game when you do that shit. We’re using their language and manner of speech. Art of war, you fight the enemy on the ground of your choosing on your terms. Not theirs
Hannah’s input was all about her and just shows how narcissistic she still is. It is still about her journey and there was zero apology and zero understanding of the hell he was put through.
1:18 it's great that she started paying attention...she didn't feel that she needed to apologize for her role in his cancellation? 😢 Ah. She brought Peter to interview this professor? That's atonement. And he was graceful and generous with her revelations and explanation. Valuable.
When did colleges start conflating speech that stirs emotions with causing actual physical harm? Because this is rather scary and isn’t good for the nation, ecspecially at institutions of higher learning.
I took his class my sophomore year. Failed his class because I didn't feel like buying his psych book. Enjoyed the time I was in there bc he said wild sh*t. That was before the alphabet community and the wokeness though. CHARGE ON
This is a great interview, and as always, I love the work Peter Boghossian does both with his street epistemology and with these kind of deep dive interviews. However, I feel like I need to push back just a little bit on the perceived catastrophic nature of D.E.I. policies in higher ed. I'll give one example (a big one). The University of California just recently delivered a new policy & training on identifying & reporting abusive conduct if you live or work on any of their campuses. In this new policy directive, they have actually taken the stance that speech in support of academic research, rigorous debate, or knowledge seeking cannot and will not be classified as abusive *even* if others report it as offensive. What does this mean? It means that the UC system has taken a clear stance in saying that no matter how controversial ones views may be, if it falls under the federal & state guidelines of free speech and is made in the spirit of academic research or learning, it is protected. I know that not all college systems have taken this line, but UC is a huge institution, and hopefully can serve as a good example of how to make measured and reasonable strategic implementations of D.E.I. without stepping on free speech.
@@orkhaa I sport an atheism profile pic because I'm an atheist. I'm not standing up for propaganda from Fox, not sure where you get that idea. I've worked for the UC System for 22 years and was simply reporting on a policy shift that came down from UC's Office of the President. Not sure where you get the idea that I'm shilling for Fox???
The Hannah conversation really demonstrated his character. He didn't demand an apology but kind of accepted her explanation as the best a former wokester who was raised to believe the world revolves around her. Just like cult deprogramming and may take years to awake from woke
If you're wondering, "how did colleges and universities become like this?" - I highly, highly recommend you watch my series with Dr. Lyell Asher. He explains how education schools ("ed" schools) went woke, how wokeness infects every institution, and more: ruclips.net/video/0hybqg81n-M/видео.html
Thanks Pete! It's in my queue now :)
Dear Peter, I am a big fan. I would like to point out that the name calling of people is rather off putting. Please just let the interviewee portrait the people that are trying to bring him down, instead of putting words into his mouth.
Keep up the good work.
@@thomasprogli3372 what are you on about?
@@thomasprogli3372 I didn't see a problem with it. I believe that when Peter calls someone a name, he is using it in factual, descriptive sense. Even if it happens to carry some emotional baggage along with it, he's not just using the name for lack of having a valid argument.
I will watch that now : )
Thank you Peter, there are so many people, more than you even know of, that are doing what we can do to help this fight....
I have my own frustrations with my own family as a 42 year old... I was raised very very left wing family. And I've recently realized how blindly tribalistic they are...
(I am still left wing BTW, not that it matters).
The majority of my family still has no room in their heads for any slight criticism of the left. It has alienated me from my own family, but I can't just lie to them... I'm sick of the left self destructing like this... Sincerely, an admiring subscriber : )
They do not come with arguments, they come for your livelihood.
I'm wondering if there was an issue with using a question which forces students to view moral integrity of racial individuals based upon perception of racial groups as a whole?
Of course not everyone is as astute to argumentation a you are Thomas. I'm sure you're the master at making valid and sound argument.
@@kwahujakquai6726 Are you saying, if I make a good argument and you could not respond in an appropriate manner, you would come after my livelihood? Well at least you are honest.
@@kwahujakquai6726 Every question has to stand on its own, independent of the person asking it. It should have no bearing who is asking if a god or gods exist. Sure the atheist will have a different motive than a theist, but in the end there is only one true answer.
That’s cuz they have no argument.
Dr. Boghossian and Dr. Negy are free speech champions. Thank you Peter and Charles for you objective scholarship and related public discourse.
Hanna did not apologize for her part in what Prof Negy endured. I kept waiting for the apology that never came. That lack of an apologetic gesture that would have been healing for both of them was disappointing. That tells me she still has a long way to go in growing up and accepting responsibility as well as understanding that it is a strength, not a weakness to apologize to an individual you have harmed.
I was waiting for the apology too.... Very telling I'm afraid
Yep, I was waiting too. And you could tell he was miffed about no apology when he said I hope this is healing for you, or whatever his exact words were. It was a long monologue all about her...
Okay, she didn’t say she was sorry for being a part of the woke mob with the intent of bringing Dr Negy down, but her words clearly conveyed that that she regretted it. No explicit apology but maybe because, and while being distracted by being on camera, she was more focused on conveying her error.
It would have been proper for her to apologize to him personally. However, it's more important that she acknowledged that she was wrong to go along with the mob and changed her mind. Negy clearly didn't need an explicit apology and I wouldn't second-guess his judgment on the subject.
@@JonathanRossRogers Curious how you know Negy "clearly didn't need an explicit apology"? Isn't it presumptive to think we know what someone else needs if they didn't say it themselves?
It's been a pleasure taking Professor Negy's class this semester. I had no idea he had to endure this ordeal. I'm truly ashamed for my University and I hope he does well with his lawsuit.
I hope you let him know you support him.
She owed the guy an apology.
More actually if I was the prof. I would hv challenged her right on the spot - what are you planning to do for me to make amends to compensate me for the harm you cause?! That Peter IS Justice that teaches humility the jey foundational trait her and ALL women are missing!
@@danx1216 Work your Mommy issues out somewhere else.
@@1SpicyMeataball You are really this DENSE?! Thanks for revealing yr Opeidus Complex #Ignorant #fool
He doesn't want apologies from the mob, he wants it from the administrators. They're the issue, there have always been young people obsessed with causes, the difference today is institutional capture.
I took several courses with Professor Negy during my undergrad at UCF. He was a fantastic instructor and the mob coming after him was as infuriating as it was predictable. Thanks for taking the time to speak with him, Peter.
Did you come forward and speak out in his defense?
@@Hollis_has_questionsThe current academic climate is such that the people who would bother listening to any defense of him are more likely to not have much of an issue with anything he said. Conversely, those who have an issue with anything he said will continue their campaign regardless of how many people “come forward” to defend him, and regardless of any evidence that contradicts what they believe his transgressions are.
This is a battle along a thick ideological line. I tried to reach out to the admin overlooking Negy’s show-trial investigation, and of course received no response. Gotta leave it to the courts, which is what he did and it worked out. Hope that answered your question. What did you do?
@@FlakoFalco I always open my big mouth. I write short essays about things I don’t like about contemporary culture, and I also write about what can be done to fix it. I’m used to getting in trouble, so it doesn’t bother me. But I wonder if our strategy is wrong. Perhaps, instead of defending an innocent man, we should attack the philosophy that wants to destroy him. It’s always more productive to go on the offensive, isn’t it? When you’re on the defense, you’re going backwards. Like in chess, e.g., retreating is part of a strategy, but if you don’t at some point take charge and go on the offensive, you’ll never topple the king.
@@FlakoFalco that is one great defense of cowardice!
@@fromireland8663 lol, so what exactly is your grievance?
Peter Boghossian is a brilliant interviewer. Sympathetic, polite, perceptive, inquisitive. We need more like him.
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I truly appreciate people like this who never weaken or cave in to bad trends. What a great teacher, it's a true shame him not getting respect when he gives it
You know how I knew Peter was going to be in agreement with the person in the picture when I saw the video image? The person isn't like 20. Peter will never have a conversation with someone over 25 who has media training who disagrees with Peter cuz he'd get mopped up. He's an intellectual Coward.
The truth about Hanna is that she thought she would make more friends and get more validation for the role she played in destroying this professor's life.
🙌 Bingo! That’s the driving force in so much of this- hive-minded validation and approval for selfish, narcissistic, opportunistic and outcast type people.
The woman in this interview was very self-centered. No apology even.
Extreme self-centeredness is a common generational outcome at her age.
Seriously
I am a Christian and regardless of Mr. Negy's lifestyle I ABSOLUTELY support him. He after all gets to tolerate my "silly" religion.
@Patrick Erwin As a fellow Christian, you should absolutely love and support all of our brothers and sisters of the human race the way that Christ did. Each person has their own sins, for which they’ll have to answer to God, not to us. Their relationship with God is their own, regardless of what their sins are. God bless, spread the gospel through peace and love.
@@TSBricklayer3rd I feel that is what I stated, however I do not have to agree with his lifestyle because after all even Christ admonished bad behavior. I do not plan on walking in the street saying gay people are stupid or bad or what ever terrible thing we could imagine. I refuse to surrender my belief to thought police. Man can live as he wishes I am not judging his eternal soul. As you stated that is up to our Lord God in Heaven.
@@VannLover4Lyfe I know. It's a smug and ignorant statement, showing no understanding of sexual orientation.
@@nursejoedand here we go again. Do you not hear yourself? Just because one word in their sentence is not to your liking, you dismiss them out-of-hand? Is that not what we are accusing the wokists of doing? Why not meet someone where they are and gently pull them to your side.
@@Ed-eq8ui That "one word" speaks volumes. Also, trying to pull a theomythophyllic over to reality-based thinking via RUclips comments is...highly unlikely.
It's good Hannah came forward to speak on her change of convictions, but I found it infuriating she didn't give an apology to the poor guy. Even if she did it with the best intentions, she should apologise for the harm she helped cause. The professor was very gracious about it, but I did feel he would have benefitted from a simple apology. A few simple words can mean a lot
I think an apology might have legal implications. She has to be very careful about what she says.
@thomasgilson6206 What do you mean, legal? Like if he should sue her?
@@reeb9016 yeah I mean there is already litigation going on between him and the university and the other parties so I'm sure everybody has to be very careful about what they say
@@thomasgilson6206 In Florida and 38 other states, there are no legal implications of apologising so long as the apology does not admit fault to an illegal act. My impression was that she was more concerned with her own image and transformation than that of Negy's and she didn't apologise because she didn't feel the need to. perhaps I'm wrong with that impression, maybe it was self preservation. It still takes courage to come forward like that and she should have merit for it, but it makes the statement feel slighted without an apology.
She's still young and trying to figure things out. Kudos to her taking a step towards progress. Most people ber age just get this fever of wokeism and get consumed by mob mentality of shoot first without asking questions. Wokeism is like the borg from star trek it just wants to achieve a hive mind and assimilate everything it's path.
Listening to Hannah I get the feeling that there is no remorse even as she admits that she was wrong. To her this realization of wrong doing is just another self centered "journey" that validates her and her sense of importance. No apology! Unbelievable. This is Hannah's world and Charles is just lucky to be there
I think beyond just a perfunctory bit of rhetoric that remains a far cry from a real and genuine apology, is a set of responses that would tip off a very long domino knockdown. Wherever you start, it's a long way to the end.
Correct. She shouldn't have wasted her time or anyone else's. Not a nice person at all.
She is grinning throughout and clearly very enamored with her own story and "celebrity" at having been instrumental in getting Negy fired. She did NOT apologize. She and her generation are the by-products of a society and parents who teach children to focus on themselves and not on cultivating virtue or taking responsibility for their mistakes, even profound ones like hers. She cares more about her newfound status as a "free speech activist" than about the fact that she and her ilk nearly destroyed a man's life. A decent person would have been begging for his forgiveness...
Things like basic respect and common sense aren't values with this cult. They preach respect out of one side of their mouth only. No respect is granted to free thinkers. And the lack of common sense is off the charts.
We are at war by other means with these wicked creatures (who could be deprogrammed via philosophy, preferably a boot camp format).
What are you talking about she's clearly shaking and nervous as fuck.
Go socialise more until you learn to actually understand body language.
Authoritarian personalities are everywhere- those special ones who just enjoy trampling on people and they do know exactly what they’re doing, they KNOW they’re hiding their malice in fake virtue. It’s not even a question of they really believe they’re doing good.
The ones who really have fallen for this are observably over emotional and completely unhinged from cognitive dissonance because on some level they know it’s wrong and that they’re following something they don’t know to be true or are pretending to be good little soldiers because they’re scared of social death more than they care about objective truth. Those people are people who have never overcome the voice of the crowd ever in their lives. It only takes one social death to be strengthened against tyranny and lies. After that it’s like a rebirth of self.
Like wtf, I’m waiting for her to just say “I’m sorry”!!! She’s not apologising, she’s excusing herself
At all times, in all places there are these exact same lunatics who find their safe little perch of influence in the world, if we allow them.
Her effects in the world can only be as sick as the society that permits them.
She might better off getting compassionate help & support to resolve her psychiatric issues, as a responsible society does.
Should be called D.I.E.: Diversity Inclusion and Equity
That's what it was briefly called back when it started.
Yup!
This honesty, although pessimistic, is a breath of fresh air. Thank you both!
Well done Hannah. It's scary how few people take a step back, examine their beliefs, and change them when they don't make sense.
Unfortunately I have not heard a clear apology for what she did to him and getting the man fired.
@@larreye8451 Yet, what she did here is much more than what most would ever consider doing. Her message and thoughts of regret on the matter are clear enough. Let's take it for what it's worth and stop nitpicking.
Well done?! Bro.... she was smiling the whole time she was admiting she was one of the people ruining the poor mans life
@@cristisandu5808 Yup. Doubt you'd be able to act perfectly in such a situation in front of a camera. She's young and is taking solid steps to becoming a more critical and reasonable person, and has acknowledged the shit in her past, getting out of both Islam and that. You gain nothing by chastising them for making honest attempts and efforts at ending their involvement. Is it perfect? No. Should it be welcomed and encouraged? Yes.
@@cristisandu5808 she was probably just nervous, a lot of people laugh or smile when they're nervous.
This woke activism is the 21st century’s equivalent of the Spanish Inquisition.
It’s worse
Well, Hannah is still the center of the universe. And still thinks she’s a good person. So there’s that…
I think Negy comported himself extremely well in this interview. He's clearly a thoughtful and reasonable man. Hope the next four years fly by for him and he has a happy retirement.
I lost friends too and family. My grandfather no longer talks to my mom and me because we talked crap about Hillary Clinton. He literally told my mom he does not want her at his funeral. Ty for sympathizing with this gentalman. Im sure he needed to hear it more than he admitted. I act the same way, but deep down i needed to hear it. Keep fighting the fine fight, brother.
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I am sorry this happened to you. If you need to talk, I have an ear.
She should respond with, Always attending a family members funeral even if they contracted an illness. Just because someone has dimentia or Alzhemers doesn't mean you take them seriously, without their symptom related outbursts.
@orkhaa - You're a legend in your own mind.
Fuck him. Better to not have a person that stupid in your life them try to have a relationship with them while they drive you nuts with their stupidity
Hannah, Please talk about what you cost this man. Your work isn't done yet.
Fantastic discussion
Hannah still hasn't learned the whole lesson. She makes no apology.
Some people are slow learners. Also it takes a while to work through the layers of programming. She at least shows some potential. Is an apology needed? Most definitely. Will he get one? Possibly if she continues to grow as a person. I know it's not a satisfying answer but it's probably a realistic one.
Thank you for sharing x I agree we have given sociopaths the green light to shine 😢
When he said that about sociopaths, it made me realize they are creating sociopaths within the confines of the schools. The DOE needs to be dismantled.
At my college, too, the standard for harassment changed from unwanted behavior that doesn't stop after a request to any behavior that one finds offensive or unwanted regardless of intent. I learned this through a mandatory harassment training, and I thought this "correct answer" on the harassment quiz training format to be utterly Orwellian.
How to achieve completely bland instruction.
It's incredibly vague and probably on purpose, so they can enforce it along ideological lines.
Really enjoyed this conversation. A good mix of detail about his specific story and the general phenomenon.
The end with Hanna was a little weird because she never apologized while she was admitting that she had played a part in getting him fired.
That student really needed to say "I'm sorry" at some point.
They don’t care! Stop thinking these type of people give a shit
Non-Woke & Anti-Woke individuals aren't limited to just conservatives and right-wingers. There are non-woke/anti-woke liberals & non-woke/anti-woke left-wingers.
I gree up in the 80's and 90's and my friends were Hispanic, mixed vietnamese and white, white as can be cowboy, white, and I'm mixed white and Hispanic. We never had any problems. Our problems were between the headbangers, goths, preps and jocks. Oh how I miss those days.
Forget the blacks
Amazing discussion. It's really concerning how many people are totally unaware of all of this.
It's because it's the status quo. The framing of these situations in mainstream discourse is through a pro-woke lens. As a status quo normie, you either don't hear about these situations or you hear about them through the pro-woke distortion "... professor fired for racist remarks...". If you're not already skeptical of woke and such headlines, you'll just be like "man, I can't believe there's so many racists professors".
I live in Orlando and have friends at the school - had no idea this happened
They have jobs to keep them occupied - it's only us white guys being excluded from everything... you know, despite building everything everyone loves about their stupid little lives.
I find it very interesting that the young woman at the end, for as much as she learned and was able to finally see how wrong she was and how willing she was to admit it and look the professor in the eye to tell him she knows better now, she never bothered to apologize. The professor stood there, and after multiple pauses waiting for what her conclusion would be, he awkwardly congratulated her every time on reaching this newly found understanding for lack of anything else to do because her purpose seemed to be to pat herself on the back for changing her view instead of trying to make amends for the true harm she helped do to this man. That seemed to be what the intention was supposed to be, but no. Why "surprise" someone with a meeting to let them know how wrong you were for doing them harm if you're not going to apologize at a minimum?
They are doing this crap at my alma mater, Rice Univ, and it's overwhelming and repugnant. I have always loved the university, but I'm not sure if I can feel the same way once the whole culture is pushed through.
These people are complete lunatics. Props to this guy for fighting back, great interview.
It was so hard keeping quiet during the 2020 riots, but it was a fever, it was nearly futile.
The 2020 riots were fucking bullshit.
@orkhaa hey whatever you say tough guy, I have a business, my customers are primarily liberal white women. Had I spoken up the way I had wanted to, I’d be working a low paying job right now. Talk all the shit you want, everyone has to do what’s right for themselves. Care to show us where you made your big public stand?
Project much?
@@eddiepain2660 not sure exactly what you mean. If you’re going to insult me, try being more clear 😛
Data, empirical evidence, physics and maths has never been more liberating. Good on you professor.
I never thought that Evergreen would turn out to be an example for universities and colleges to follow.
I didn't hear Hanna say "I'm sorry." Did I miss those words?
I normally love your interviews Peter, but you cut him off way too much. That was painful to watch. I mean that with all due respect. I’m guessing it’s because it was loud outside.
I got that feeling too. I thought I was the only one. He wouldn’t let him finish his answer before chiming in with his own opinion or experience. My thought was maybe he’s new to interviewing. The interview is about the guest not the interviewer.
@@silviaturean5387 he is normally a great communicator. Must have been a confluence of circumstances. Being outside with noise, wind, etc probably did not help. Rogan and his guests wear headphones for that reason. It is easy to talk over people.
To be fair he frequently apologizes for interrupting, I think he does it because he wants to fully understand what's being said moment to moment. If you let somebody talk uninterrupted, they might make five great points and then when you respond you forget parts of what they said, often only responding to whatever the last point they made was.
@@koalanectar9382 normally he does..went overboard this time. It was frustrating as hell
Cancelling people is a real Lord Of The Flies scenario.
Thank you for sharing such a challenging journey with us Charles.
Peter - 'building a new type of institute' is, I agree, likely the best direction to go from here. I truly believe that the majority of our existing universities (here in Canada) are too far gone to repair.
Majority?! ALL.
The quest to simulate struggle.... to simulate life from the most priveleged standpoint.....
Wow, she can meet the man she wronged face to face and she is smiling and laughing. Not even a tear! How cold and self centered. She should give a little more thought to what he went through.
CS Lewis wrote about charientocracy among academics in the 70s. I've read numerous professors warning us about this SOOO long ago, it's wild were just now seeing it surface
Just one group that's curiously absent
Thank you for fighting this war. I agree that we all need to cross divides to fight this whilst being true to our own beliefs. The fight needs to come from as many areas as possible.
Peter, I took one of your courses when I was in college 7 years ago at PSU. It’s unfortunate to hear so many of your colleagues and friends turned their backs against you. I remember your TA, a guy that looked like Michael Fassbender. Haha nice guy, seemed like you guys were close. Hopefully that relationship was maintained.
WOW one of the best / most informative interviews ever.
I feel that perhaps my degree from UCF is worth less.
I hope someday DEI is understood as a cultural cancer as implemented.
I loved what he said at the 10:30 mark, we all have a subjective lived experience. "Lived Experience" is irrelevant, Empirical however stands on it own merit. Crime statistics is not racist - it is objective reality. Objective reality is not attributed to any race, it exists existentially on its own independent of the social-emotinal lens we all look through.
YES PETER,
IT is so obvious to me to. We're losing our liberties!! I am afraid. I pray I'm wrong but America is falling fast.
On this student …im just like where is the “im sorry…?”
I felt the exact same, I was just yelling inside "Come on, just say I'm sorry!"
This is her form of apologizing. Speaking out against the mob that indoctrinated her.
Clearly she feels it, but maybe she just isn't ready after only so recently getting past being a highly-self-righteous 22 year old.
She cannot give him anything beyond affirming his beliefs.
An apology from anyone who has abused you is an apology from someone who is abusive - not worth much.
@@AndyJarman I get it. An apology is small thing compared to the abuse. She was so close to just saying “you know, I was wrong. I am sorry for my role”. For me, if she said it, I felt that would be for her to be accountable. He handled it like a champ.
I'm a Christian in belief but the statement of we are in this together is so imperative to understand. I'm imploring the Muslim community to wake up and join us. They don't believe in the degenerative principles that are being forced on them. This is good vs evil. Not left or right, religious vs not. It's truth and lies. Freedom vs tyranny. It's time to find allies in unusual places. We can resume our disagreements civilly if we make it past this.
Fascinating discussion, as always, Peter. Thank you.
As a side note, I was holding my breath waiting for Hannah to apologize. Her actions created and caused very real harm - not "being offended" but actual real life harm - to another human being and she just stood there justifying her actions. Good for her owning them and having grown from the experience, but damn, girl. Acknowledge the real harm and apologize.
Courageous young person. Hats off!
I would absolutely love to take Professor Negy’s class. I just may sign up to audit online if that’s possible.
It was an awesome class!
"there's no price to be paid"
Well that's something DeSantis needs to explain.
Wow. Glad I stayed to the end to hear the young woman’s confession - that was beautiful - and yes, a straight “I’m sorry” would have been even better, but let’s be grateful for what comes our way. I mostly just want to say “thank you” to both of you to putting this out. This information is super informative and helpful. I’m a theologically conservative/politically moderate Christian and I’ve been really encouraged by the work you are doing, Peter (and that of other folks like Jordan Peterson & Douglas Murray). In particular, it’s been helpful to me that you guys are not conservative Christians, but rather thinking human beings, who are concerned as concerned as I am about all the crazy that’s going on in our current “space” (ugh, i hate that word abt as much as I hate the appellation “Frisco”🥴) In my unfortunate neck of the woods on the Left Coast, almost all pushback on wokeness is chalked up to “ bigoted, conservative Christians”. So, it’s been refreshing to see that my tribe is much, much bigger and that the arguments against wokeness are not only theological. So, many thanks & I’m happy to link arms in this endeavor.
What I find most disappointing about the exmuslim exwoke lady is that when telling the man who's life she helped to destroy she doesn't start with 'I'm sorry'. She seemed entirely to be seeking a therapeutic effect for herself and not so much relating to him. This distinct lack of empathy is the engine of persecution. She's still a fiend.
Not sure she's a fiend, but she definitely still has a lot to learn about accountability and integrity. But Negy's response was pretty spot-on "I hope this was therapeutic for you".
How is she “still a fiend”?
Just wrote a similar comment before scrolling to find yours. She just seemed invested in her own image, rather than recognising the impact her actions caused. I worry about any individual with that mindset and level of disregard
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Glad to hear you felt similarly.
I suspect that the mindset she had in her birth religion, carried forward to her anti-islam stance, likewise her woke stance and now her anti-woke stance. Many times before I've seen this phenomena with people who have changed their position on an ideology. I call it 'reverse-orbit' (there's probably a better, more technical / psychological word for it). It's as though they still orbit the same Sun/planet, now anti-clockwise apostate rather than clockwise believer, but are still held by the gravitational pull of that Sun/planet.
For some people this is a phase during which they cover the ground which had previously been forbidden by their orthodoxy, and in the process they recover some elements of their humanity that had been suppressed.
But when there's no expressed empathy, ime, it's often just the same fundamentalist stance but a different target - like when soldiers guarding the perimeter of the city turn around, and turn their guns on that city.
This is probably a part of why tribes (ideological or otherwise) have such strong stances against apostates.
What do you think?
@@OrwellsHousecat Yes. Those interested in the authoritarian thinking style might read Bob Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians" and Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer".
I am encouraged.
I love Negy's line about calling the institution the church it is!
Keep going...Negy gets cut off....Negy starts talking....gets cut off. Peter rambles on for 10 min, Negy gets 1 min in before Peter cuts him off.
What u said about Friends...that hurts most. The betrayal by those who really mattered. 😢
Brilliant conversation
Which porcentaje of the population support these actions?
I am so so sorry Professor Negy.
A plumber who runs their own business haa more intelligence and life experience than zealots with PhDs.
I couldn’t agree with you more.
My dog does
Absolutely agree… I’m in a doctoral program…EdD and there are huge problems. Hoping more people start to see the truth… I’ve also lived in 3 countries and I am white. ….privilege exists in various degrees
I've heard that on the whole, besides departments ending in "....... Studies", Education Departments are among the worst with regard to the level of ideological zealotry.
A university professor telling his kids to avoid university and take a trade instead... it’s like the plot of Atlas Shrugged. 😢
Why doesn't she apologize?
Right?!
He doesn’t address the last 400 yrs of racism. He’s looking as if everyone started today as equal. This is what makes him wrong. You can’t land in america and compare and bring in why we are the way we are off of today.
Oh stop already…that card is worn out. If everyone is racist,then no one is!
Europeans PURCHASED slaves off African chiefs and kings.
President Museveni of Uganda said that about reparations.
The Hollywood movie Woman-King celebrates the murderous slave trading Dahomey tribe female warriors fighting against French abolitionists.
Western Christian abolitionists were the first time in human history that Man attempted to abolish human slavery everywhere on Planet Earth.
Frederick Douglass in 1859 wrote eloquently that he much preferred debating southern slave owners, who understood "individual rights", vs joining with White and Black Christians to establish a new western style constitutional democratic-republic in Africa, run by and for Africans, because "savage chiefs" had been enslaving and selling African people "for ages". Human sacrifice rituals too.
Arab Muslims were fully engaged in enslaving Africans, and castration of males, since around 650 AD, which is around 700 years before Europeans like Portuguese begin to sailing to western Africa.
Indigenous in the Americas enslaved others and engaged in ritual human sacrifice.
China and India had forms of slavery. Marxism sacrificed 10s of millions of humans by intentional starvation, by murder, and by forced labor camps (slavery), to advance a little quicker towards future imaginary goals.
Papua New Guinea had slavery and some cannibalism as late as the 1950s. Saudi Arabia didn't outlaw slavery until 1960, due to pressure from President Kennedy or Eisenhower.
Slave markets still exist in Libya and Somalia. African-Americans ACTIVELY OPPOSE any discussion of that, preferring to discuss subjective "microaggressions" like white people using black dance moves or posting memes.
A few weeks ago, a former NFL player for the Falcons with the LOTTO gang was busted by FBI for human sex slavery and terror in the USA. We celebrate Pimps and Killers through popular music.
The only reason we know about "racism" per se is Westerners found it socially necessary to write down complex _moral_ justifications to fit into Christian beliefs and new beliefs about Liberty. African tribal chiefs had no reasons to justify use of brutal raw power and terror to enslave and to kill, and most had no written languages anyhow, so no complex thought or morality, beyond 200 simple words passed down through oral tradition.
The "last 400 years of racism" is LITERALLY THAT, the ENDING of 10,000+ years racism, tribalism, and slavery, going back to the Hunter-Gatherer era forward to modern civilization, the beginnings of social evolution to a new higher context.
It's idiotic to hate historical Mankind who survived long enough to bring us to the present, simply for being more primitive in past generations. It's also arrogant AF to believe YOU are inherently smarter.
The word you were looking for there love is 'sorry'. Or 'I'm really ashamed of my past behaviour'.
Peter - I love your work. But ya gotta practice listening more. Your insights are brilliant, but your interview style is to jump on everything Negy is saying and interject. It derailed your guest several times and never allowed him to tell his story in a compelling way. Maybe consider focussing on giving your guest plenty of space then tell them you'd like t shift to discussing your perspective. They key to a great interview is LET THEM TELL THEIR STORY.
That said - thank you for this important work.
If socialism can be classified, legally, as a religion, and it can be properly identified, then I think that a proper enforcement of the separation of church and state can help this greatly. One of the biggest mistakes the West ever made was to call the "Commies" godless.
You listen to New Discourses. The God of Communism is History with a capital H, with fully socialist awakened Man as an agent of History, a form of God, a part of the Trinity of Dialectics.
I know you know that but I wanted to expand on your comment.
We have the college of policing in UK which is exactly the same as the colleges of teaching 😢. Harry millar ex police officer is working towards I believe the destruction of the college of policing. One step at a time and they will all fall as we build new institutions of truth x
Let me be the first to say: I'm sorry Professor Charles Negy.
Bret Weinstein's college Evergreen now has a student intake that is about half of what it was the year before he resigned
Conservative Jew here, I want all religions and have no problem with LGBT that aren't Leftists.
LGB that I know utterly reject the forced teaming with T and Q. Nothing in common.
T and Q obliterate the idea of same-sex attraction because they deny that biological sex is real, and Q says that CIS homo-normative is Bourgeois, Far Right, and Fascist.
Queer opposed gay marriage because family and marriage is bourgeois, normal, and not sufficiently revolutionary and weird-opposition.
Being gay is not synonymous with Marxism and promotion of Ped0 and perversion.
Queer Theory, according to top academic proponents, is for promotion and normalizing of Ped0 and perversion. Gayle Rubin, Judith Butler, David Halperin, Herbert Marcuse, Michel Foucault, etc.
I'm ethnically Jewish and rather recently conservative, in contrast to what I thought I was before.
Peter, thank you again for an excellent interview highlighting the horrible way Professor Negy was treated and probably continues to be. Would you consider doing a program comparing the current social justice movement to the Cultural Revolution in China?
You're right.
There is absolutely no accountability, responsibility, or culpability addressed to the perpetrators, predators, ideologues, idiots and mischief-makers who practice this stuff against their targeted victims.
Ironically, it is magically manufactured "victims" who supply the necessary fodder for much of this predation against largely innocent people.
But it is also the complete lack of consequences that fuels the upswelling of attack with no negative , no negative pushback or reason to stop and dwell on outcomes, no reason to care in the least, and every reason to celebrate the advocacy of punishment without caring about any result, legal or social sanction, or any other reason to desist.
Which should remind me of a precocious toddler's dream of tantrum delirium with endless reward for the effort.
There is just something incredibly creepy, anti-social, rather infantilized, really, about what goes on. There is no backbone in it, nothing really at stake in it, no concerted effort or gathered and organized and well-presented and backed up belief system.
It resembles more the absolute chaos and mayhem encouraged by the Chinese Cultural Revolution. Something the west used to pride itself on comparing itself to, and coming up smelling like roses.
Those roses have rotted into an awful stench, lately.
What Hanna displays is the lack of life experience that typifies much of the youth activist scene. Idealism has merit but recognising its limitations seems crucial - and missing.
Much respect to Hannah for admitting she was wrong
So glad for Hannah, wish she'd said sorry to Charles.
I HATE that this professor has to add the disclaimer “I’m gay, half Hispanic” as if that has ANY impact or relevance to the empirical data he’s citing.
We are in some sense all beholden to standpoint epistemology, even if we (partly) reject that.
I spoke before City Council about LGBTQ issues, beginning with the story of the founder of Gay Liberation 1969 who was beaten up in broad daylight.
He was beaten up by Queer activists.
When I post on Black crimes, I usually begin with the standpoint of tragedy of Black victims. Black murder victims annual increased from 2500 to 10000 in one decade of the social "coup" by Black Lives Matter.
Gotta start somewhere.
@@gg_rider you’re playing the enemy’s game when you do that shit. We’re using their language and manner of speech. Art of war, you fight the enemy on the ground of your choosing on your terms. Not theirs
DEI …etc should be an elective not mandatory. There should be no force to get into this crap.
Hannah’s input was all about her and just shows how narcissistic she still is. It is still about her journey and there was zero apology and zero understanding of the hell he was put through.
1:18 it's great that she started paying attention...she didn't feel that she needed to apologize for her role in his cancellation? 😢 Ah. She brought Peter to interview this professor? That's atonement. And he was graceful and generous with her revelations and explanation. Valuable.
When did colleges start conflating speech that stirs emotions with causing actual physical harm? Because this is rather scary and isn’t good for the nation, ecspecially at institutions of higher learning.
“SAFE SPACES” means no real learning can occur. Indoctrination = safety. Conformism is ALL.
This isn't just going on in colleges and universities. It has permeated governmental institutions as well as corporate structures, hospitals, etc.
So scary
I took his class my sophomore year. Failed his class because I didn't feel like buying his psych book. Enjoyed the time I was in there bc he said wild sh*t. That was before the alphabet community and the wokeness though. CHARGE ON
This is a great interview, and as always, I love the work Peter Boghossian does both with his street epistemology and with these kind of deep dive interviews. However, I feel like I need to push back just a little bit on the perceived catastrophic nature of D.E.I. policies in higher ed. I'll give one example (a big one). The University of California just recently delivered a new policy & training on identifying & reporting abusive conduct if you live or work on any of their campuses. In this new policy directive, they have actually taken the stance that speech in support of academic research, rigorous debate, or knowledge seeking cannot and will not be classified as abusive *even* if others report it as offensive. What does this mean? It means that the UC system has taken a clear stance in saying that no matter how controversial ones views may be, if it falls under the federal & state guidelines of free speech and is made in the spirit of academic research or learning, it is protected.
I know that not all college systems have taken this line, but UC is a huge institution, and hopefully can serve as a good example of how to make measured and reasonable strategic implementations of D.E.I. without stepping on free speech.
This is a very great news. Thanks for sharing!
@@orkhaa I sport an atheism profile pic because I'm an atheist.
I'm not standing up for propaganda from Fox, not sure where you get that idea.
I've worked for the UC System for 22 years and was simply reporting on a policy shift that came down from UC's Office of the President. Not sure where you get the idea that I'm shilling for Fox???
Good conversations here. I hope it gets some distribution.
Great conversation! Thank you.
Absolutely fantastic conversation
Peter was fired up on this one! Rightfully so, thanks for your work!
The Hannah conversation really demonstrated his character. He didn't demand an apology but kind of accepted her explanation as the best a former wokester who was raised to believe the world revolves around her. Just like cult deprogramming and may take years to awake from woke
We are going from meritocracy to idiocracy...
Seems like Universities are ready for their own spaghetti monster.
Oh yeah UCF gave me heat for using Black to describe a patient.