I keep hearing over and over that the documentary left out the evidence against Avery; yet, I never hear anything about what this supposed evidence is. Am I missing something?
Nathaniel Ayre his dna under the hood.. from sweat. Which is next to impossible to plant... the fact Branson lost lots of weight weeks after he helped kill her, and at a party he confessed to his cousin.. the blonde that like Branson told the true at first but at trial was instructed to say it was all made up or "I can't remember"
The only part of that not in the Docco was the DNA under the hood. I'm still left at never hearing an explanation as to why he would disconnect a battery ,yet keep a spare-key of hers that has ONLY his DNA and nothing else, while looking like a freshly cut key. I don't understand how he could perfectly clean up any sign of her DNA in the garage, the trailer, or anywhere in fact. Or any sign of a struggle, a fight, any damage to the bed (where the original story was she was chained to). And the *only* sign of any connection was a single bullet in a garage otherwise perfectly covered up from DNA samples.. that then is proven to have wood particles in the lead.. so he shot her through a wooden board now? Seriously, the sweat under the hood is the only sort of "see they cant plant that!" kinda thing.. but its also "sweat dna" they tested how long after he apparently used the vehicle? At that point.. its simply contact dna.
Avery's newest defense attorney made him take a polygraph and he passed. Is he as slow as the prosecution presents him to be or is he a criminal mastermind who can manipulate a polygraph. I absolutely believe the evidence in her Rav 4 was planted by police using blood previously drawn, zero fingerprints were found. My wife and I have been watching plenty of documentaries lately and the most vile in my opinion is the Confession Killer on Netflix. Law enforcement falsified evidence to close cases for the sole purpose of making themselves look good on paper. If, on paper, Jim closed more cases than Frank, Jim gets a promotion for closing more cases. Some detectives and judges were actually interested in the truth but those numbers are low and they were actually attacked by law enforcement for trying to uncover the truth. People more interested in stats on paper are not as concerned about the truth. Stats are important but they do not paint the whole picture. Most of the time they paint a picture according to what people holding the paper want them to say. I would never offer up a blood or DNA sample willingly. I was pulled over once driving on a back road with a friend and the officer started searching through my car without permission. I had medication in the glove box and he started pretending like he discovered something. I was not speeding, had no alcohol or drug consumption. He just wanted to harass us. I was maybe 18 at the time. Police are not the enemy, until they are. Remember the car number and possibly their name or badge number. You should not be made to feel like a criminal in a free country. You might be racist if you are wondering what color my skin is, thinking that should matter.
I am disgusted by those officers. Not only is that 16 year old child a minor without a parent or lawyer present, but he is clearly unable to comprehend what's going on. Brendan Dassey does not possess the capacity to see he is being manipulated.
That should have been enough to make it inadmissible....I thought ANY minor someone his age under 18 should have a parent lawyer or a witness present....it WOULD NOT have gone down that way if his mum had been present or another adult !
@@shaz8486 He clearly was in a defensive posture and him asking "can I go back to class now" says it all. He is not aware of the situation. They purposely interviewed a minor without his mother for the purpose of manipulating him. How is this actually legal. I believe they were both given a polygraph administered by their defense attorney and passed. I would like to see the results of the brother in-law hooked up to a polygraph.
He understood what was going on just fine. He confessed in graphic and specific detail, almost entirely consistent with the evidence. This case is done.
I am disgusted bye people like you. People like you are stomping on her grave because you choose to believe a biased documentry that left out tons of evidence
@@deanobannon842 Including evidence that places Bobby Dassey at the scene, pushing that woman's car onto the Avery property. Edit: a witness observed this happening, but since it doesn't fit the narrative, it was dismissed. Do some more research and stop embarrassing yourself.
+Brittany Sevier She's dangerous tho. She makes people too ignorant to see the manipulation think they are somehow more moral for judging people without being jurors, hearing evidence, or being real judges. Armchair judges yelling "Guilty!" like that first episode of Start Trek TNG....Is it from a Shakespeare play? It is scary! Holier than thou bs.
GreasersInkNY wow....you’re witty! Ha, ha! Surely, you can do better than “so are you...”? Nancy Grace is an incurable BULLY. Ask those that have worked for her. Let alone what you see on tv. She’s nothing but a fat mouthed bully. And please, if you’re going to try and abuse me.......do better than “so are you...” lol!
i think this was her last year on HLN, thank GOD. In Jan. of 2016, we lost Bowie, and in April we lost Prince. Nancy Grace tore his life apart *on the day of his death* , w/ "Senior Media Correspondent" Brian Stelter. The glee with which she judged Prince's life was revolting.
Michael Johnson pity anyone caught in that county ! Geeez if they don’t like you your going be be guilty no matter what ...he is an expert at it by now. Corrupt cops should go to jail !
hk21raptrain 2.0 wow I feel for you, you would need to be very careful living here in my opinion as I have heard a few bad things about the cops from here.....don’t ever get on their bad side .....they definitely set up poor Steve and used Brendan as their scapegoat just to help them nail Steve ...so wrong and so sad .....I can’t wait for KZ to bring them down....I am sick of them constantly saying TH is the victim here....well there has been no testing for 100% proof she is actually dead, certainly not enough blood, it’s just as likely she is alive with a new identity ....it’s not impossible.......follow the money ....the Halbachs got millions $$$$$ from state farming grant and the two brothers got TOP HIGH PAID JOBS, with NO experience at all with the help and money of some top state legal County woman that has since passed...just before TH “disappeared “ ....who was being harassed.....?? there are two more victims.....they have had their lives taken away , Steve & Brendan......and the world is watching now, not just locals ! Be safe !
"In the end I left Wisconsin more confused than when I arrived". There's your reasonable doubt ladies and gentleman, and thats all that's needed for Avery to be walking free. This is less about the guilt or innocence of Steven Avery, this is about due process and staying true to that process.
+Viddy Well Reasonable doubt is not merely any possible doubt. Every case can be contested and counter-argued but that doesn't necessarily amount to reasonable doubt. FYI- The jury in this case came to their verdict with more evidence and information than you or I ascertained in this documentary.
+amul83 I certainly understand what you're saying. I think that the reason why this case is so fascinating to people is because for every piece of evidence that incriminates Avery, theres very strong suspicion and doubt in the surrounding circumstances. From the key to the bullet to the blood in the vehicle, to the confession...from the sheriff department to still be searching on the property when they weren't supposed to be there; not only does there seem to be enough reasonable doubt to exonerate Avery, but the idea that he was partially set up by the sheriff's department and that the real killer may have exploited the bias towards Avery by planting her vehicle and remains there...well it certainly get well into the realm of plausibility.
+amul83 actually when the jury took their initial census 8inocent,3guiltt,1undecided...a few of the jury members stated the 3 guilty ones would not even consider any of the evidence and roughshod over the deliberations. They also stated that they felt like they would have been in danger by the cops if they did not come back with a guilty verdict. Their was no evidence. No blood, no DNA no nothing anywhere on the property. Everything that was there seemed like it was planted especially when the cops being sued found the evidence after the initial few searches came up with nothing. The bones.... Body's cannot burn like that in a burn barrel the fire us not hit enough even with the alleged tires in there.
+docoluv9 No not a few dont lie. One person has said that and who that person has not been verified but a lot think it was the excused juror, who for some strange reason became brendan and barbs cheerleader. I wouldnt rely on anything he had to say.
+The Black Johnny Gat other jurors came out after the trial and stated they felt like their life would have been put in jepordy. Ive read about stevebs knew lawyer and site is o e of the best in tbe country getting ppl off that are wrongly convicted. She has stated in an interview that she will not take one of these cases unless she vets them and knows thar the person is inocent. And from what everything I've seen and from what others have uncovered. These ppl were set up bigtime.
The fact that Colborn now handles evidence full time made me laugh out loud. And that weird incompetent lawyer Brendan had is now a JUDGE in this county. Just unbelievable.
He clearly got promoted for his participation. I am so disappointed in my country because of this case. People just don't understand how the police skillfully fed him the "facts" they wanted him to report. His statement was needed to support the planted evidence.
Man reading these replys really shows how easily ppl can be manipulated by anything they see on TV. Did you ever think that maybe that documentary was extremely biased and left out major evidence and even manufacturing a villain in Avery's cousin who was actually a victim of his? Look I fell for it as well but I implore you to watch convicting a murderer and let me know what you think
@@johnd6535 You really think they were able to cover all the things you wanted to hear? The documentary show all the "false" allegations that anyone with a mind can see was implanted and fake. Having a troubled pass doesn't mean you are a killer. That mean 95% of Americans are murders. lol
Ken kratz we don't need to read transcripts the interview shows what you did to this kid thanks to kratz the cops and the judge the American justice system is a laughing stock. This kids statement would of been thrown out of court in any civilised country.
+ladyshep They harm this country more than I would have thought possible. I've seen literally dozens of people around the world who have no clue of our Constitution or Bill of Rights, but have judged us for how we behave. 1st, Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning, Wikileaks disclosures on American spying on its own citizens; 2d, capital punishment that was outlawed in civilized countries, but as with Saudi Arabia, ISIS, etc expanded here and applied zealously to people who are mentally challenged; 3d, torture; 4th, drones and innocent victims; 5th, prisons for hire and people of color inordinately filling them out of any proportion to their presence in the population, and 6th, this case and Paradise Lost. Basically, the federal govt inside the country, outside the country; states and local govts killing and incarcerating their own citizens---for profit, no less; abuse of other nationals, personally and anonumously; and then this case and Paradise Lost showing just how prosecutors and police target citizens and ignore the law, hiding behind excuses..... Around the world people show their outrage. Imagine a world war where the U.S. is the target because the planet is sick to death of how we treat others and how our govt treats us. They invade to save us from the Cheneys, Bushes, Cruzes and Obamas. They free our political prisoners and set up Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning as President and Vice President until free and open elections can be held, which they are, without the influence of dishonest advertising, television ads, or media that is not open and honest about their biases. News stations are not allowed to pretend to be fair or balanced--as licensees of the people they must be fair to all, give everyone equal time.. The Koch Bros and Karl Rove are tried and convicted and trials of K Street lobbyists, Wall Street bankers, and others who try to buy influence and rights commence. Churches lose their tax exempt status, and the 1st Amendment is enforced zealously. Citizens United is overturned by Constitutional Amendment forever making clear we are NOT and never will be a Christian country and religion has no place in affairs of state. Voting suppression is outlawed and treated as treason. Capitalism returns to Adam Smith's vision....where workers are protected, wealth is never again to be concentrated at the top 1% of 1%, education is free for all and available to anyone who can pass a class (and the more you pass, the more you can take for free, discrimination is illegal, and everyone has cradle to grave healthcare, no one profits from the sale of healthcare or medicine, everyone is covered by disability insurance and social security is funded to actually support people. Interest rates are capped. Energy independence is achieved and fossil fuels are rejected in favor of green energy which receives grants to develop internationally respected proprietary rights for American businesses and employment. Our carbon signature shrinks annually until scientists tell us we actually could not do any more.
@@LUCKO2022 twice a court has ruled his confession was coerced and bullshit and overturned his conviction yet 2 years later he is still in jail. Beyond laughable
this shouldn't even be permissible, seeing that they interviewed him without his mother or his lawyer present. How could any judge allow this when they basically fed him the answers in order to get the evidence to charge Avery. It's a travesty!
The only thing that needs to be considered despite the obvious framing of Avery is that there was undeniably reasonable doubt therefore he should have never been convicted and should be given a re-trial.
The victim's DNA, blood, teeth, and bones were found in a burn pit on Avery's property. Do you actually believe all of those were planted as well? Not likely.
@@SoNowIKnow I meant Steven Avery! KK is an evil man. A bunch of crooked law enforcement and judge. They were out to get Steven and they have taken most of his life. They will answer to God. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes!
Made me scream and cry for this kid. Like he didn't even know certain words that he was being told. Inconsistent. Like WHAT???? And your telling me he raped somebody and watched a murder???? He was spoon feed a story then sent to prison because it covered someone else's ass. People need to learn their rights, follow true crime, and understand that statements aren't facts or guilt. #didnt do it
When it comes to Brendan's confession notice how the prosecutor says to read the transcript instead of watch the tape. Watching the tape proves it's a forced confession.
i do love how everyone that "knows" Avery did it, just says, "there was so much evidence left out of the documentary," yet they are unable to actually point to any evidence.
Or the broken tamper evident tape, or Kratz going on TV BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED and saying word for word everything he believed the Avery's did in dirty detail, which is coaching the jury BEFORE THE JURY WAS EVEN CHOSEN!!!
Or his dna from sweat on a couple places in her car. Or him calling from other phone numbers using a fake name requesting that she specifically come to take the photos. They could make a documentary about him doing it too.
There wasn't any evidence left out. Kratz constantly says loads of evidence was left out but all he ever goes on about is sweat DNA (which is laughable bullshit) and 3 phone calls. Only in America could this laughable excuse of a trial end in a conviction 😂😂😂
laughable indeed !No one can do what they say they did and leave zero dna and blood of the victim at the crime scene.His room should be a lake of Teresas blood,the garage that they shot her and cut her in pieces would be a river.NO ONE can clean that.
i love how they have been saying for years that netflix left out alot of evidence showing their guilt, but yet no one can tell us or show any of this "withheld evidence"
I just watched the "Making a Murderer" Netflix series; what they have done to Steven Avery and his family is shocking. It's extremely frightening that the justice system is insanely corrupted. What happened to the Avery family could happen to any family in the USA.
So sad! All of this because the department was being sued for previous major errors! The threats made to the county employee is so disgusting and infuriating regarding the victims remains!! The truth will eventually come out, maybe a little later however too late 😞
There may be questions about some of the evidence, but the victim's DNA, blood, teeth, and bones were found in a burn pit on Avery's property. Can't dispute all that, in my opinion.
@@justin-md4xm Are you saying that the police, many of whom were from neighboring Calumet County, found Teresa's remains and then proceeded to bury those remains in Avery's burn pit? Before they even positively identified that the remains were indeed Teresa's. And without notifying her grieving parents and family. Who found the remains and how did they transfer them to Avery's property? In a pickup truck? Do you realize how many officials were involved in excavating Avery's property. Were they ALL involved in the conspiracy? Anyone who believes this, and the other nonsense spewed in MAM, has to be the most gullible person on the face of the planet.
How many weeks will it take for the cops to plant such evidence in his yard undetected? The car, the blood and most inexplicable the fragments of bones in his backyard? Did a stranger set a burn fire in his backyard without his knowledge? What did he do when he realize this?
Nobody said a stranger killed her. There are several Averies living on the same property. No one would think it was weird to see another relative walking around there.
Thanks, we have a public of sheep that laps up the medias droppings. Our Gov doesn't even hide it's blatant theft and total disregard for the law and common people now, there is no more threat to the Elite. Sad for this and future generations unless born into the 1 Percent, USA will be A bad place to be born in less than 50 years, better than China, N Korea, Africa, S America, but not by much anymore. I hope reincarnation is wrong cause the chance of being born to suffer is only increasing.
@@patrickmorrissey3084 lol hardly overwhelming, any prints in the Rav 4 ? Any blood in the garage where he allegedly chopped her up ? Blood would have covered the property, shooting her in the head - there would be bits of skull all over the trailer. Lenk and Colborn should'nt have been anywhere near the Avery property - Conflict of Interest no sure if its a thing in the States
@@johnmaclagan2263 He could have wore gloves in the RAV 4. Blood was found in the cracks of the garage floor but it could not be determined who it belonged too because it was too deluted. A pillow could have been placed against her head with the rifle pressed against it to muffle the sound and prevent blood from splashing everywhere. I think it's likely Steven and Brendan wrapped her body up in the bedding that she was laying on and carried her out of the trailer that way. Lenk and Colburn should not have been there. But that doesn't make Steven Avery innocent. Brendan Dassey confessed three times to 4 different people. First to his cousin, (she is the one who told the police about his confession) then to the two detectives, and finally to his mother when he was speaking to her on the phone from jail. She asked him if he did it and he says "some of it." Then she asked him why didn't he try to help Theresa Halbach or run away and he says "because Steven is bigger than me and stronger than me." The police were not standing over his shoulder telling him to say that when he was speaking to his mother.
@@patrickmorrissey3084 Anything is possible, he does'nt look like the OCD type of guy in the garage to clean it or even sweep it or wear gloves. They just burnt the bed sheet when he or they burnt her body depending if you believe the main source for all the information - Brendan Dassey. I blame Netflix for people being skeptical of everything, the amount of my friends watched Mark Sargent doc and believe the earth is flat, or the anti-evolution people or the dinosaurs are fake people.
Patrick Morrissey you clearly have NO IDEA of forensics....if you did you you wouldn’t have written this crap statement...they fed every single bit to Brendan, if you can’t see that I would hate for you to EVER be on a jury, I pity the person because of you tunnel vision.....the cops or SOMEONE planted everything in Steve’s trailer and garage...if you had bothered to watch MaM the second series Kathleen Zellner has been able to disprove every bit of “so called evidence “ they used it on Steve....BASIC, BASIC, forensics tells you that there is NO WAY that what Sleaze Kratz spun to the public could have possibly happened ! Which he knew damned well he was NOT allowed to say to the public, let alone that he knew was a load of bullshit !! If Steve had killed TH there is NO WAY that even an expert would have been able to clean up all that “BLOOD SPATTER” ....IMPOSSIBLE to not have blood splatter from a murder like that, the bullet doesn’t even have bone in it, it has WOOD ! that bullet DID NOT KILL TH !! ......if she is even dead,....how about following the money for the corrupt county, that will show how the Halbachs are involved .....it was all to get rid of Steve’s 36 Million $$$$$ law suit !! Any fool can see it a mile away !! Even the “DNA” from Steve’s “sweaty finger” on the hood latch has such high DNA it is impossible to come from ANYONES hand .....no matter how many times you put a sweaty hand on the latch....it was heavy DNA PLANTED ! There were bones in THREE places......the list goes on and on....but what I find very amusing is the top lawyer who has in the past prosecuted lawyers for wrong doing has a list so damned long of all the ILLEGAL and offical misconduct that Kratz did during this whole investigation ....going by the massive list pages long he should be behind bars......and he has been involved in the “club” of other corrupt sick officials, look into it. It makes you sick to the stomach....lets just say, I HOPE you don’t have children and live nearby ........hope all these corrupt scum end up behind bars, because the public are starting to come out and stick together with LOTS of truths about these disgusting county officials, they are no longer going to b3 bullied or threatened by them anymore ! Kudos to them all 😡😡😡😡😡
$$$ A documentary about another run of the mill murderer does nothing to stand out. But if you write it as a man who was wrongfully convicted and imprisoned before being exonerated and set free is being wrongfully convicted *again* , now *that* is a money maker.
+Skeeter Skeet he has the intelligence of a child with no understanding of what is being asked, he thought admitting to something he didn't do is the right thing. The police office slipped up in court remember
+Skeeter Skeet hahaha Judge found Brendan NOT GUILTY and the Judge also found the cops were guilty of coercing a confession out of a mentally impaired teen. During the interview you can hear the cops manipulating Brendan into admitting guilt. They pretty much put the words in his mouth. They mentally abused the shit out of the poor kid for hours 😡
They didn't just ask him questions. Every time he gave an answer they didn't like, they followed up by telling him that they didn't believe him and sometimes made suggestions as to what he should tell them. In short, they put him in a situation where he was compelled to tell them what they wanted to hear with the idea that they wouldn't let him go until he incriminated himself or his uncle. Even if you truly believe that he did help his uncle kill that woman (after all, his mental deficiencies probably made it easy for his uncle to influence him), that confession should've been thrown out of the courtroom on day 1. There's no way a kid like him should be alone without an attorney or some sort of representative.
i mean steven avery is one thing but i think brendan dassey is innocent and shouldnt even have been in jail. he didnt have a lawyer present and no offense but someone with that IQ should have had someone present at least. the case with brendan alone should have had his case thrown out and he should have been freed.
BrittxWhispers it got overturned but it doesn't say clearly whether he's going to be released or not. If anyone researches it and knows please comment cause I'm confused
He won't be released yet, the prosecutors for the state have filed a motion yesterday to have their case heard in front of all 7 members of the Judge's panel which could take months, and if they don't get what they want they threatened to go to the Supreme Court. So it will be a while sadly before Brendan gets out of jail.
BrittxWhispers - I believe he should be retried for sure, that was total BS. The jury in his case was pre-coached by Kratz when he went on public TV and stated in detail what he believed they did, and he didn't say this was alleged or anything he acted like they had already been convicted.
I'm all for Brendan, but something he said during police questioning had me a little confused. It was stated by someone that he read on a fourth grade reading level, but yet he told the officers that he made up what he did to the woman based on what he read from a book, "Kiss the girls" by James Patterson. My question is, what fourth grader with a mental and learning deficit is reading James Patterson novels? Regardless, I still don't think Brendan is guilty. I think I read too much into that part of his statement. Or did I? I'm so confused. Ugh!
I think someone in the family was involved maybe even Steven. He could be guilty but the police definitely planted evidence. Brendan being in jail is a total travesty of justice...
Where’s the blood in the bedroom?, where’s the hand cuffs or chains supposedly used in bedroom? I’ve watched the documentary twice all 20 episodes and no one answered these questions. I’ll always stand with Steven an Brendan. God help them
Kratz is a terrible man but just gets brushed off despite clear evidence. And then he wants us to believe he knows better when talking about circumstantial evidence with mountains of doubt surrounding them.
The manipulation of Dassey is just so disturbing. Its so very obvious that everything about his confession and incarceration of this poor man is just so evil.
There's no way this murder happened the way it did and for the people saying why would police go as far as framing or want a innocent person arrested that gets proved for his previous fake sexual assault charge they took a simple young boy and had a very smart detective make him confess and the confession had so many holes in it he was spoon fed and it changed many times Also how can 2 people be arrested for life for murder for 1 person she don't have 2 life's 1 person can only actually kill her Also in Stevens case she was murdered in the bedroom and in Brandon's case she was murdered in the garage that proves the prosecutor knew it was a very shady case
There is literally numerous people that live and work on that property. Steven would have had to plan a murder and rape and clean it up without anyone hearing or seeing anything. Apart from Brendan who would have admitted he was a time traveller If you sat him there long enough
Not sure if Avery is guilty or not - (I have my doubts) but Brendan was completely manipulated. No parent present. No legal counsel present and it is more than obvious that he was jsut trying to get out of that room and a confusing, uncomfortable environment. It is very telling that Kratz didn't present the 'confession' in Avery's trial - he knew it would be challenged, probably thrown out as evidence and would then damage his case against Dassey. I truly do not understand how anyone could watch that interrogation and NOT be disgusted by the whole debacle.
Although I haven’t fully finished this series yet….. my heart goes out to all. This is an injustice for that poor girls family as well as all involved. I’ve studied mental health, psychology, sociology & counseled many- imo the Avery’s were seen as simpletons and they were targeted -this was a set up and a cover up for the olive departments incompetence. And the audacity of those detectives knowing full well those interviews w that child who has mental disabilities were suggestive, confusing, unethical & psychological way too advanced for him- absolutely shocking & sickening!! It was abusive and he was coerced every step of the way into a false confession- it’s infuriating and absolutely heartbreaking 💔
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few. The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom. Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her. And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
Omg finally someone intelligent. Lol totally agree with you. Anyone with more spidy senses can smell the bullshit case. Sad for Teresa but the perve could have done it and blamed it on Avery. Now that it's known he's a perv makes all the more sense
"Seek profit from our loss" Bringing love and awareness for Theresa while letting the world know of a possible wrongful life in prison sentence. That's serious too.
+Wipez You know that isnt the case. No one really gives a fuck about theresa and are only concerned with proving SA is innocent, even though anyone with an open mind would know we arent getting teh full story in the documentary.
Alot of people just make sport of her murder, just to have something to talk about. They go out of their way to exclude any blame on steve avery and accuse anyone else that knew her( her boyfriend , her brother, ect.) with no proof just a wild theory to look clever. Same with the rest of steve's family as long as it isn't Brendan or Steve.
So the prosecutor while saying he had overwhelming evidence not shown could only think of a few drops of sweat on the hood latch. He has no idea if any fingerprints were found because he knows they didn't find any. At his big news conference he talked about how her throat was cut while tied to his bed, but they found NO DNA ANYWHERE in his house. Yet, the prosecutor says Avery is a stupid person. Remember, the documentary was being made in real time, during the events that happened, not years later. They had jurors saying before the first day of the trial he was guilty. After the first vote they got rid of a not guilty juror in a very suspicious accident. They had 36 million reasons to see him behind bars again!!!
After the Avery side said that there is no evidence of blood or DNA in the bedroom, Kratz said,: There is no blood because Avery killed her in his garage. All of the sudden!! How in the world, a jury could NOT see this is a inside job? This makes me smh every time I see the cover ob making a murderer on netflix. The whole story makes me sick and I if I could, I would fly over to slap Kratz in his face. It's ridiculous
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few. The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. Avery's sweat and skin cell mixture DNA on the hood latch of the RAV. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom. Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her. And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to. As for Dassey, many things from his interrogation had relevance and matched up with the evidence. He seemed to have at least some knowledge of how the crime was carried out.
Instead of trying to get him off as if Steven Avery was innocent they should have seen it as he was forced to participate because is Steven Avery threatened to kill him. That is what they should have done
The three Questions I had At the end of this experience were as follows: Are Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt? (I don't believe they are.) Are the law enforcement offices of both the Manitowoc and Calumet counties responsible for tampering and hiding evidence, as well as coercing and editing statements? (I VERY MUCH believe this.) AND Who truly killed Teresa Halbach? (There are so many theories on this that it's mind-numbing, so I really have no clue. This, however, is what truly matters at the end, and I hope the truth is brought to light sooner than later. RIP Teresa. You were a bright soul and are missed by all who knew you.)
+Anthony Brown Sorry dude but I honestly dont believe the documentary gave the audience enough to make the reasonable doubt statement. They brought up the fact it was possible some things may have been planted but didnt gop into whether it was possible Stephen could have done this either (played Devils Adovocate) despite their being a mountian of evidence pointing in his direction. The Jury didnt have such limitations, so we cannot really say for real if there wasnt reasonable doubt. They said the blood was planted so they did the only test possible to suggest it may have been ( doesnt mean it still wasnt planted by other means) and the test came back negative. Once that happens how seriously do you want the Jury to bleive the outlandish theory put forward that he was framed?
Her Bones found in fire pit next to his trailer...he called her 3 times the day she went missing and her van was found on his property ...that's a lot of evidence to overcome....
He ran his cousin off the road while she had her toddler in the car, then shoved a gun in her face; he repeatedly abused, and threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend; doused his cat with gasoline and threw her into a bonfire so he could kick-back and enjoy watching the innocent kitty screaming and writhing to death. Such a fine gentleman, the kind I would like as a son-in-law. I'd have to get my daughter to marry him. What a great husband and father he would be.
I'd gladly see Avery in prison for the rest of his life for the stuff he has done, but I wouldn't be comfortable letting someone else get away with murder because of it. The doubt in this case is not even slightly based on the assumption that Avery wouldn't be capable of this so it really doesn't have any relevance. I wouldn't want Ted Bundy go to prison for a murder he didn't do either, simply because it would mean that the one who actually did it walks free. Now Avery might very well be guilty, but there are points that are valid to question, but none of them have to do with whether we should like him or not.
@@lhotse1716 The people that have to live with the possibility of someone else being the killer are the same one's that know Avery -- the citizens of the small town of Two Rivers. They feel safe when he's locked up...and no wonder! There were no murders in town when he was locked up. He's released for about two years, he rapes his niece, and Halbach becomes the first murder victim since anyone can remember. Then he gets locked up again, and no additional murders for nine years.
@@lhotse1716 The people that have to live with the possibility of someone else being the killer are the same one's that know Avery -- the citizens of the small town of Two Rivers. They feel safe when he's locked up...and no wonder! There were no murders in town when he was locked up. He's released for about two years, he rapes his niece, and Halbach becomes the first murder victim since anyone can remember. Then he gets locked up again, and no additional murders for nine years. Can't blame women for feeling safer. Avery told his inmates that when he got released, he would rape and kill some b*.
5:29 and John Wayne Gacy was killing at the same time he had many friends and owned a successful contacting company in Chicago. He didn't kill in for profit or revenge, he killed for pleasure. People don't think about what they have to loose when they kill for pleasure
@@justin-md4xm Thats not true for the vast majority of Gacy's murders. He was a sexual sadist and an erotophonophile meaning the act of killing made him orgasm. Most of the boys Gacy killed trusted him enough to be alone with him at which point he would show them his "rope trick". Once they were securely bound he raped and strangled them. Gacy rarely made direct advances on the boys because he did not want to make them his consensual lover, he wanted to kill them.
How can there be a conviction beyond reasonable doubt given the following: 1. During the police interrogation of Brendan Dasey he said that Avery stabbed her. The officers say "come on now be honest, something about the head". Dasey sits there for minutes with a confused look on his face and eventually said "he cut off her hair". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he punched her". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he cut her throat" and the officers say "what else happens to her in her head", (THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT THE OFFICERS HAVE SAID WHAT HAPPENED TO HER HEAD - DASEY HAS NEVER OFFERED UP INFORMATION ABOUT DAMAGE TO TARESA'S HEAD ON HIS OWN) by this stage Dasey clearly looks to me like he is thinking, what do they want me to say. The officers say repeatedly "what else" as Dasey sits there with a confused look. Dasey then said "that's all I can remember". The officer then said and I quote "ok then I'm just gunna come right out and ask you, who shot her in the head" and Dasey replies instantly "he did". I mean this is the most blatant coercion you could ever possibly witness, how can anybody with a reasonable amount of intelligence view this as a concrete confession from a 16 year old boy with a low IQ. The officers literally created the narrative for Dasey to say "HE DID" I mean it's just beyond comprehension that this was admissible. Plus he also asks the officer if he will be released by 1:30 because he has a project due at school, so it is clear that he has no idea that he is confessing and will go to jail so he is just telling them what they want to hear to get out of there as quickly as he can. He has no idea of the consequences of his words. 2. Nov 3rd 2005 - Truck driver tells Colborn that there is a green rav 4 half a mile up a road that is in the bushes on the side of the road which is not on Avery RD 3. Nov 3rd 2005 - Colborn radios in to HQ asking what the license plate number of the rav 4 is and then states emphatically "99 TOYOTA" which sounds like he is standing in front of the car. The car is Teresa Halbach's. This is testimony in first trial with the recording played. 4. Nov 4th 2005 - Avery sees headlights and his brother sees tail lights of a car on the edges of the property 5. Nov 5th 2005 - The rav 4 is found on Averys property right on the edge of the property line 6. Nov 8th 2005 - Colborn suddenly finds the rav4 key in Averys home on the "SEVENTH" search and it is in plain sight. 7. The key has only Averys DNA and not Teresa's, how is that possible. 8. Avery's blood sample from the evidence room at the police station is open and the vial clearly shows the puncture of a needle in the top of it - why? There should be a paper trail of why it was used but there isn't. So this guy rang up the photography place and specifically asked for Taresa plus he leaves messages everywhere about meeting her that day. He kills her on his property and leaves the bones in a fire pit on his property and the car on his property all when he just got out of an 18 year jail sentence for a crime he didn't commit and is about to receive a 34 million dollar settlement. No one is that stupid.
Kratz makes my skin crawl! He is grandiose, pompous, incompetent and disgusting. I agree with everyone about his voice. Yuck! The sheriff's department and Kratz destroyed so many lives and are obstructing justice for Teresa, Steve and Brendan! My prayers are with Steve Avery, Brendan Dassey, Teresa Halbach and their families. I fervently hope and pray that all of the people involved receive true justice and peace. Steve and Brendan are INNOCENT!
2:50 a facial analysis psychoanalyst would say his eye blinking during his denial in these sentences is proof of his having done something unconscionable for a law abiding officer...like plant evidence.
I have no fucking idea what kind of people were in that jury that they decided that this kid was part of Teresa's murder after seeing this really doubtful interrogation.
I think they picked the low iq people so they too could be spoon fed with a story making no sense. Anyone smart and that follows true crime can smell bullshit a mile away.
Brandon needs to be freed. Anyone can clearly see he was cohersed. They won't allow him to be freed because if they do that it will weaken their case against Steven. I'm not saying Steven isn't guilty but I do believe Brandon is innocent.
All the "evidence" they claim was left out I remember seeing in the documentary. Some of it not in great detail but some in pretty deep detail. So how is any of this left out?
Supposedly the sweat of Avery was on the hood of her car but not his fingerprints. I think the hood of a car is the easiest place to get fingerprints because it is smooth. How his sweat lasted there I don't know. That is probably more just made up testimony.
This is Exactly why you should Always have a Lawyer present during any questioning/interrogation by Police! And as for Nancy Grace.....How anyone can suffer her is beyond me! 😂
I really like Dean Strang. I feel he's an authentically kind and caring person. But I think, because he didn't TOTALLY believe in his client (which I feel, a lawyer must) he might've slacked a bit. Especially surrounding the cell phone pings. Not sure why Strang and Buting couldn't obtain Teresa's records which could have helped vindicate Avery once or if it was established that Zipperer and not Avery was her last appointment. I think all a viewer has as far as 'truth' is their very own instinct. And my instincts strongly feel, Avery did not do this.
At the 06:00 mark, Strang states" a big part of him is worried SA maybe guilty." How can he say such a thing, knowing more about how much corruption was involved in this case. The meer fact that LE needed BDs confession answers that question.
I'm on the Avery is innocent side but I've had 2 lingering questions that I can't seem to find an answer to on the internet. 1) Did Steven ever give an explanation as to why he dialed *67 when trying to contact Teresa on the day she went missing ? 2) Even though there was no physical evidence of Teresa being 'shackled" to his bed post...did he actually own a pair of hand cuffs and leg shackles? If so, did he give any explanation as to where he got them and why he kept them around? Once again, I believe he was set up, however I feel these 2 questions being answered would strengthen his case. Perhaps I missed it and someone can help answer in the comment section????
i believe they did find a single pair of handcuffs in the bedroom ...but no dna evidence on bed, matress, floors walls or ceiling, and no shackle marks on bed the argument there is if someone was murdered so brutally like they said it would be impossible to clean every little spec of blood, this is why they moved the location of the crime scene to the garage because they had no evidence in the bedroom basically trying everything they can to convict him so they dont have to pay him millions of dollars in a lawsuit
It's really simple. It is all about the money. $36 Million. If Brendon and Steve were to surrender their right to civil litigation against any party the state won't block the next judge's order for release.
An entire transcript doesnt matter if the kid has the mentality of a 4th grader. He was also a minor and didnt have a parent or lawyer present... 100% illegal.
Sorry... if your going to make a documentary don't leave out important evidence to make people think this guy is innocent! read the book indefensible! I thought he was innocent, not anymore.
I keep hearing over and over that the documentary left out the evidence against Avery; yet, I never hear anything about what this supposed evidence is. Am I missing something?
Nathaniel Ayre the cut on his hand was left out too
Nathaniel Ayre his dna under the hood.. from sweat. Which is next to impossible to plant... the fact Branson lost lots of weight weeks after he helped kill her, and at a party he confessed to his cousin.. the blonde that like Branson told the true at first but at trial was instructed to say it was all made up or "I can't remember"
The only part of that not in the Docco was the DNA under the hood. I'm still left at never hearing an explanation as to why he would disconnect a battery ,yet keep a spare-key of hers that has ONLY his DNA and nothing else, while looking like a freshly cut key. I don't understand how he could perfectly clean up any sign of her DNA in the garage, the trailer, or anywhere in fact. Or any sign of a struggle, a fight, any damage to the bed (where the original story was she was chained to). And the *only* sign of any connection was a single bullet in a garage otherwise perfectly covered up from DNA samples.. that then is proven to have wood particles in the lead.. so he shot her through a wooden board now?
Seriously, the sweat under the hood is the only sort of "see they cant plant that!" kinda thing.. but its also "sweat dna" they tested how long after he apparently used the vehicle? At that point.. its simply contact dna.
Same here. I learned literally nothing.
The cut on his hand was in the documentary. Sweat DNA was left out i guess. Unknown the level of detail but extremely easy to plant sweat.
Nancy Grace's emotional arguments have no relevance in the Steven Avery case.
ZERO!!!
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Nancy Grace is not in "Merchants of Doubt".
That documentary is about Climate Change and the Tobacco industry.
What a crazy crazy lady ....wow ! Almost had steam coming out the ears 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Avery's newest defense attorney made him take a polygraph and he passed. Is he as slow as the prosecution presents him to be or is he a criminal mastermind who can manipulate a polygraph. I absolutely believe the evidence in her Rav 4 was planted by police using blood previously drawn, zero fingerprints were found.
My wife and I have been watching plenty of documentaries lately and the most vile in my opinion is the Confession Killer on Netflix. Law enforcement falsified evidence to close cases for the sole purpose of making themselves look good on paper. If, on paper, Jim closed more cases than Frank, Jim gets a promotion for closing more cases. Some detectives and judges were actually interested in the truth but those numbers are low and they were actually attacked by law enforcement for trying to uncover the truth. People more interested in stats on paper are not as concerned about the truth. Stats are important but they do not paint the whole picture. Most of the time they paint a picture according to what people holding the paper want them to say. I would never offer up a blood or DNA sample willingly.
I was pulled over once driving on a back road with a friend and the officer started searching through my car without permission. I had medication in the glove box and he started pretending like he discovered something. I was not speeding, had no alcohol or drug consumption. He just wanted to harass us. I was maybe 18 at the time. Police are not the enemy, until they are. Remember the car number and possibly their name or badge number. You should not be made to feel like a criminal in a free country. You might be racist if you are wondering what color my skin is, thinking that should matter.
Nancy Grace is a click-bait. A free loader.
He didn't even know she had been shot until the cops fed it to them. He thought her hair had been cut.
I am disgusted by those officers. Not only is that 16 year old child a minor without a parent or lawyer present, but he is clearly unable to comprehend what's going on. Brendan Dassey does not possess the capacity to see he is being manipulated.
That should have been enough to make it inadmissible....I thought ANY minor someone his age under 18 should have a parent lawyer or a witness present....it WOULD NOT have gone down that way if his mum had been present or another adult !
@@shaz8486 He clearly was in a defensive posture and him asking "can I go back to class now" says it all. He is not aware of the situation. They purposely interviewed a minor without his mother for the purpose of manipulating him. How is this actually legal. I believe they were both given a polygraph administered by their defense attorney and passed. I would like to see the results of the brother in-law hooked up to a polygraph.
He understood what was going on just fine. He confessed in graphic and specific detail, almost entirely consistent with the evidence. This case is done.
I am disgusted bye people like you. People like you are stomping on her grave because you choose to believe a biased documentry that left out tons of evidence
@@deanobannon842 Including evidence that places Bobby Dassey at the scene, pushing that woman's car onto the Avery property. Edit: a witness observed this happening, but since it doesn't fit the narrative, it was dismissed. Do some more research and stop embarrassing yourself.
Lol, Nancy Grace is a joke.
+Brittany Sevier She's dangerous tho. She makes people too ignorant to see the manipulation think they are somehow more moral for judging people without being jurors, hearing evidence, or being real judges. Armchair judges yelling "Guilty!" like that first episode of Start Trek TNG....Is it from a Shakespeare play? It is scary! Holier than thou bs.
Joke is a Nancy Grace.
SO ARE YOU
GreasersInkNY wow....you’re witty! Ha, ha! Surely, you can do better than “so are you...”?
Nancy Grace is an incurable BULLY. Ask those that have worked for her. Let alone what you see on tv. She’s nothing but a fat mouthed bully. And please, if you’re going to try and abuse me.......do better than “so are you...” lol!
i think this was her last year on HLN, thank GOD. In Jan. of 2016, we lost Bowie, and in April we lost Prince. Nancy Grace tore his life apart *on the day of his death* , w/ "Senior Media Correspondent" Brian Stelter. The glee with which she judged Prince's life was revolting.
Wow the guy accused of planting evidence is now in charge of evidence at the police station hahahaha
He didn't plant the evidence Fassbender did and the other guy Colburn found the car and planted that...lol
Isn’t that ironic! More sad and disgusting really more than anything else.
Michael Johnson pity anyone caught in that county ! Geeez if they don’t like you your going be be guilty no matter what ...he is an expert at it by now. Corrupt cops should go to jail !
It's terrible and i live there
hk21raptrain 2.0 wow I feel for you, you would need to be very careful living here in my opinion as I have heard a few bad things about the cops from here.....don’t ever get on their bad side .....they definitely set up poor Steve and used Brendan as their scapegoat just to help them nail Steve ...so wrong and so sad .....I can’t wait for KZ to bring them down....I am sick of them constantly saying TH is the victim here....well there has been no testing for 100% proof she is actually dead, certainly not enough blood, it’s just as likely she is alive with a new identity ....it’s not impossible.......follow the money ....the Halbachs got millions $$$$$ from state farming grant and the two brothers got TOP HIGH PAID JOBS, with NO experience at all with the help and money of some top state legal County woman that has since passed...just before TH “disappeared “ ....who was being harassed.....?? there are two more victims.....they have had their lives taken away , Steve & Brendan......and the world is watching now, not just locals ! Be safe !
"In the end I left Wisconsin more confused than when I arrived".
There's your reasonable doubt ladies and gentleman, and thats all that's needed for Avery to be walking free. This is less about the guilt or innocence of Steven Avery, this is about due process and staying true to that process.
+Viddy Well Reasonable doubt is not merely any possible doubt. Every case can be contested and counter-argued but that doesn't necessarily amount to reasonable doubt. FYI- The jury in this case came to their verdict with more evidence and information than you or I ascertained in this documentary.
+amul83 I certainly understand what you're saying. I think that the reason why this case is so fascinating to people is because for every piece of evidence that incriminates Avery, theres very strong suspicion and doubt in the surrounding circumstances. From the key to the bullet to the blood in the vehicle, to the confession...from the sheriff department to still be searching on the property when they weren't supposed to be there; not only does there seem to be enough reasonable doubt to exonerate Avery, but the idea that he was partially set up by the sheriff's department and that the real killer may have exploited the bias towards Avery by planting her vehicle and remains there...well it certainly get well into the realm of plausibility.
+amul83 actually when the jury took their initial census 8inocent,3guiltt,1undecided...a few of the jury members stated the 3 guilty ones would not even consider any of the evidence and roughshod over the deliberations. They also stated that they felt like they would have been in danger by the cops if they did not come back with a guilty verdict. Their was no evidence. No blood, no DNA no nothing anywhere on the property. Everything that was there seemed like it was planted especially when the cops being sued found the evidence after the initial few searches came up with nothing. The bones.... Body's cannot burn like that in a burn barrel the fire us not hit enough even with the alleged tires in there.
+docoluv9 No not a few dont lie. One person has said that and who that person has not been verified but a lot think it was the excused juror, who for some strange reason became brendan and barbs cheerleader. I wouldnt rely on anything he had to say.
+The Black Johnny Gat other jurors came out after the trial and stated they felt like their life would have been put in jepordy. Ive read about stevebs knew lawyer and site is o e of the best in tbe country getting ppl off that are wrongly convicted. She has stated in an interview that she will not take one of these cases unless she vets them and knows thar the person is inocent. And from what everything I've seen and from what others have uncovered. These ppl were set up bigtime.
Wow... Kratz has time to talk on TV....? I figured he wouldn't have much time between sending photos of his junk to abused women...
Or assassinating jelly filled doughnuts
@@russeldevries5098 lol
Kratz, Trump & all disgusting men like him get away with that
I swear Kratz is gay
The fact that Colborn now handles evidence full time made me laugh out loud. And that weird incompetent lawyer Brendan had is now a JUDGE in this county. Just unbelievable.
He clearly got promoted for his participation. I am so disappointed in my country because of this case. People just don't understand how the police skillfully fed him the "facts" they wanted him to report. His statement was needed to support the planted evidence.
shows you how much the system is corrupt.
Man reading these replys really shows how easily ppl can be manipulated by anything they see on TV. Did you ever think that maybe that documentary was extremely biased and left out major evidence and even manufacturing a villain in Avery's cousin who was actually a victim of his? Look I fell for it as well but I implore you to watch convicting a murderer and let me know what you think
@@Staceypotterphotography Got promoted to hide more evidence. I live in the area and yes lots of cricket cops
@@johnd6535 You really think they were able to cover all the things you wanted to hear? The documentary show all the "false" allegations that anyone with a mind can see was implanted and fake. Having a troubled pass doesn't mean you are a killer. That mean 95% of Americans are murders. lol
Ken kratz we don't need to read transcripts the interview shows what you did to this kid thanks to kratz the cops and the judge the American justice system is a laughing stock. This kids statement would of been thrown out of court in any civilised country.
+ladyshep They harm this country more than I would have thought possible. I've seen literally dozens of people around the world who have no clue of our Constitution or Bill of Rights, but have judged us for how we behave. 1st, Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning, Wikileaks disclosures on American spying on its own citizens; 2d, capital punishment that was outlawed in civilized countries, but as with Saudi Arabia, ISIS, etc expanded here and applied zealously to people who are mentally challenged; 3d, torture; 4th, drones and innocent victims; 5th, prisons for hire and people of color inordinately filling them out of any proportion to their presence in the population, and 6th, this case and Paradise Lost.
Basically, the federal govt inside the country, outside the country; states and local govts killing and incarcerating their own citizens---for profit, no less; abuse of other nationals, personally and anonumously; and then this case and Paradise Lost showing just how prosecutors and police target citizens and ignore the law, hiding behind excuses..... Around the world people show their outrage. Imagine a world war where the U.S. is the target because the planet is sick to death of how we treat others and how our govt treats us. They invade to save us from the Cheneys, Bushes, Cruzes and Obamas. They free our political prisoners and set up Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning as President and Vice President until free and open elections can be held, which they are, without the influence of dishonest advertising, television ads, or media that is not open and honest about their biases. News stations are not allowed to pretend to be fair or balanced--as licensees of the people they must be fair to all, give everyone equal time.. The Koch Bros and Karl Rove are tried and convicted and trials of K Street lobbyists, Wall Street bankers, and others who try to buy influence and rights commence. Churches lose their tax exempt status, and the 1st Amendment is enforced zealously. Citizens United is overturned by Constitutional Amendment forever making clear we are NOT and never will be a Christian country and religion has no place in affairs of state. Voting suppression is outlawed and treated as treason. Capitalism returns to Adam Smith's vision....where workers are protected, wealth is never again to be concentrated at the top 1% of 1%, education is free for all and available to anyone who can pass a class (and the more you pass, the more you can take for free, discrimination is illegal, and everyone has cradle to grave healthcare, no one profits from the sale of healthcare or medicine, everyone is covered by disability insurance and social security is funded to actually support people. Interest rates are capped. Energy independence is achieved and fossil fuels are rejected in favor of green energy which receives grants to develop internationally respected proprietary rights for American businesses and employment. Our carbon signature shrinks annually until scientists tell us we actually could not do any more.
Brenand has won twice in court now proving that the confession was coerced, that proves Kratz is full of shit.
@@cyninbend how would education be free?
@@LUCKO2022 twice a court has ruled his confession was coerced and bullshit and overturned his conviction yet 2 years later he is still in jail. Beyond laughable
this shouldn't even be permissible, seeing that they interviewed him without his mother or his lawyer present. How could any judge allow this when they basically fed him the answers in order to get the evidence to charge Avery. It's a travesty!
The only thing that needs to be considered despite the obvious framing of Avery is that there was undeniably reasonable doubt therefore he should have never been convicted and should be given a re-trial.
The victim's DNA, blood, teeth, and bones were found in a burn pit on Avery's property. Do you actually believe all of those were planted as well? Not likely.
KK is a real piece of work.
I can't stand to look at his evil face!
Agree!
Steven Avery may not be a pillar of the community but I wholeheartedly believe he's innocent!
@@ednaearp9051 "a pillar of the community," as in KK? or JP? or, TF(!), maybe we on same channel , love from france
@@SoNowIKnow I meant Steven Avery! KK is an evil man. A bunch of crooked law enforcement and judge. They were out to get Steven and they have taken most of his life. They will answer to God. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes!
YOU cost YOU your position Ken Kratz.
The Halbach's forgot to mention that they tried to sue Steven Avery for profits before the case even got underway.
jersey4life31 omg...
Whoa that’s wrong too
The kid asking if he'd be back to school in time for his test, alone proves he did not understand what he was saying!
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Made me scream and cry for this kid. Like he didn't even know certain words that he was being told. Inconsistent. Like WHAT???? And your telling me he raped somebody and watched a murder???? He was spoon feed a story then sent to prison because it covered someone else's ass. People need to learn their rights, follow true crime, and understand that statements aren't facts or guilt. #didnt do it
When it comes to Brendan's confession notice how the prosecutor says to read the transcript instead of watch the tape. Watching the tape proves it's a forced confession.
i do love how everyone that "knows" Avery did it, just says, "there was so much evidence left out of the documentary," yet they are unable to actually point to any evidence.
Farls12 yeah like the key they supposedly found AFTER 7 searches that they said pretty much was right out in the open...hmmmm
Or the broken tamper evident tape, or Kratz going on TV BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED and saying word for word everything he believed the Avery's did in dirty detail, which is coaching the jury BEFORE THE JURY WAS EVEN CHOSEN!!!
Or his dna from sweat on a couple places in her car. Or him calling from other phone numbers using a fake name requesting that she specifically come to take the photos. They could make a documentary about him doing it too.
There wasn't any evidence left out. Kratz constantly says loads of evidence was left out but all he ever goes on about is sweat DNA (which is laughable bullshit) and 3 phone calls. Only in America could this laughable excuse of a trial end in a conviction 😂😂😂
laughable indeed !No one can do what they say they did and leave zero dna and blood of the victim at the crime scene.His room should be a lake of Teresas blood,the garage that they shot her and cut her in pieces would be a river.NO ONE can clean that.
this is the most infuriating trial eve, I have watched it twice and I still cant, I am so furious with the injustice in this so called world.
Nancy Grace is on your side. A sure sign that you're wrong...
i love how they have been saying for years that netflix left out alot of evidence showing their guilt, but yet no one can tell us or show any of this "withheld evidence"
I think this County has 36 million reasons to set Avery UP !!!!
Still waiting for the evidence left out...
That was my thought lol
I just watched the "Making a Murderer" Netflix series; what they have done to Steven Avery and his family is shocking. It's extremely frightening that the justice system is insanely corrupted. What happened to the Avery family could happen to any family in the USA.
So sad! All of this because the department was being sued for previous major errors! The threats made to the county employee is so disgusting and infuriating regarding the victims remains!! The truth will eventually come out, maybe a little later however too late 😞
There may be questions about some of the evidence, but the victim's DNA, blood, teeth, and bones were found in a burn pit on Avery's property. Can't dispute all that, in my opinion.
Doesn't mean it wasn't planted.
Finally, a reasonable person!!!!
@@justin-md4xm Are you saying that the police, many of whom were from neighboring Calumet County, found Teresa's remains and then proceeded to bury those remains in Avery's burn pit? Before they even positively identified that the remains were indeed Teresa's. And without notifying her grieving parents and family. Who found the remains and how did they transfer them to Avery's property? In a pickup truck? Do you realize how many officials were involved in excavating Avery's property. Were they ALL involved in the conspiracy?
Anyone who believes this, and the other nonsense spewed in MAM, has to be the most gullible person on the face of the planet.
@@milart12 No, it could have been one guy, even Stephen's brother in law or nephew, and they were small remnants of bone, easily transportable.
@@justin-md4xm Whaaat? When did they do this?
Who has ever cared what Nancy Grace has had to say?
How many weeks will it take for the cops to plant such evidence in his yard undetected? The car, the blood and most inexplicable the fragments of bones in his backyard? Did a stranger set a burn fire in his backyard without his knowledge? What did he do when he realize this?
Nobody said a stranger killed her. There are several Averies living on the same property. No one would think it was weird to see another relative walking around there.
Thanks, we have a public of sheep that laps up the medias droppings. Our Gov doesn't even hide it's blatant theft and total disregard for the law and common people now, there is no more threat to the Elite. Sad for this and future generations unless born into the 1 Percent, USA will be A bad place to be born in less than 50 years, better than China, N Korea, Africa, S America, but not by much anymore. I hope reincarnation is wrong cause the chance of being born to suffer is only increasing.
Why hasn't that whole county government been thrown in prison??? Also, notice how the media and the state work together.
I still cant find any overwelming evidence anywhere?
How about Theresa Halbach's burnt chopped up remains buried in a shallow grave right behind Steven Avery's trailer?
@@patrickmorrissey3084 lol hardly overwhelming, any prints in the Rav 4 ? Any blood in the garage where he allegedly chopped her up ? Blood would have covered the property, shooting her in the head - there would be bits of skull all over the trailer. Lenk and Colborn should'nt have been anywhere near the Avery property - Conflict of Interest no sure if its a thing in the States
@@johnmaclagan2263 He could have wore gloves in the RAV 4. Blood was found in the cracks of the garage floor but it could not be determined who it belonged too because it was too deluted. A pillow could have been placed against her head with the rifle pressed against it to muffle the sound and prevent blood from splashing everywhere. I think it's likely Steven and Brendan wrapped her body up in the bedding that she was laying on and carried her out of the trailer that way. Lenk and Colburn should not have been there. But that doesn't make Steven Avery innocent. Brendan Dassey confessed three times to 4 different people. First to his cousin, (she is the one who told the police about his confession) then to the two detectives, and finally to his mother when he was speaking to her on the phone from jail. She asked him if he did it and he says "some of it." Then she asked him why didn't he try to help Theresa Halbach or run away and he says "because Steven is bigger than me and stronger than me." The police were not standing over his shoulder telling him to say that when he was speaking to his mother.
@@patrickmorrissey3084 Anything is possible, he does'nt look like the OCD type of guy in the garage to clean it or even sweep it or wear gloves. They just burnt the bed sheet when he or they burnt her body depending if you believe the main source for all the information - Brendan Dassey.
I blame Netflix for people being skeptical of everything, the amount of my friends watched Mark Sargent doc and believe the earth is flat, or the anti-evolution people or the dinosaurs are fake people.
Patrick Morrissey you clearly have NO IDEA of forensics....if you did you you wouldn’t have written this crap statement...they fed every single bit to Brendan, if you can’t see that I would hate for you to EVER be on a jury, I pity the person because of you tunnel vision.....the cops or SOMEONE planted everything in Steve’s trailer and garage...if you had bothered to watch MaM the second series Kathleen Zellner has been able to disprove every bit of “so called evidence “ they used it on Steve....BASIC, BASIC, forensics tells you that there is NO WAY that what Sleaze Kratz spun to the public could have possibly happened ! Which he knew damned well he was NOT allowed to say to the public, let alone that he knew was a load of bullshit !!
If Steve had killed TH there is NO WAY that even an expert would have been able to clean up all that “BLOOD SPATTER” ....IMPOSSIBLE to not have blood splatter from a murder like that, the bullet doesn’t even have bone in it, it has WOOD ! that bullet DID NOT KILL TH !! ......if she is even dead,....how about following the money for the corrupt county, that will show how the Halbachs are involved .....it was all to get rid of Steve’s 36 Million $$$$$ law suit !! Any fool can see it a mile away !! Even the “DNA” from Steve’s “sweaty finger” on the hood latch has such high DNA it is impossible to come from ANYONES hand .....no matter how many times you put a sweaty hand on the latch....it was heavy DNA PLANTED ! There were bones in THREE places......the list goes on and on....but what I find very amusing is the top lawyer who has in the past prosecuted lawyers for wrong doing has a list so damned long of all the ILLEGAL and offical misconduct that Kratz did during this whole investigation ....going by the massive list pages long he should be behind bars......and he has been involved in the “club” of other corrupt sick officials, look into it. It makes you sick to the stomach....lets just say, I HOPE you don’t have children and live nearby ........hope all these corrupt scum end up behind bars, because the public are starting to come out and stick together with LOTS of truths about these disgusting county officials, they are no longer going to b3 bullied or threatened by them anymore ! Kudos to them all 😡😡😡😡😡
Drug dependency doesn’t make you a pervert,
what is the motive for the makers of the documentary to make a guilty man look innocent? why would they do that?
$$$
A documentary about another run of the mill murderer does nothing to stand out. But if you write it as a man who was wrongfully convicted and imprisoned before being exonerated and set free is being wrongfully convicted *again* , now *that* is a money maker.
We need Harvey Specter and Mike Ross on this
+Skeeter Skeet
bs they hounded the crap out of the poor kid. They bleated the crap out of him until he cracked. The kid was mentally impaired fools
+Skeeter Skeet he has the intelligence of a child with no understanding of what is being asked, he thought admitting to something he didn't do is the right thing. The police office slipped up in court remember
Finally a Federal Judge who isn't bias and had no links to the case! OVERTURNED!!!!!!!
+Skeeter Skeet
hahaha Judge found Brendan NOT GUILTY and the Judge also found the cops were guilty of coercing a confession out of a mentally impaired teen. During the interview you can hear the cops manipulating Brendan into admitting guilt. They pretty much put the words in his mouth. They mentally abused the shit out of the poor kid for hours 😡
They didn't just ask him questions. Every time he gave an answer they didn't like, they followed up by telling him that they didn't believe him and sometimes made suggestions as to what he should tell them. In short, they put him in a situation where he was compelled to tell them what they wanted to hear with the idea that they wouldn't let him go until he incriminated himself or his uncle. Even if you truly believe that he did help his uncle kill that woman (after all, his mental deficiencies probably made it easy for his uncle to influence him), that confession should've been thrown out of the courtroom on day 1. There's no way a kid like him should be alone without an attorney or some sort of representative.
If Nancy Grace supports the verdict, they must've got it right. No one knows the legal system better than Nancy Grace.
Brendan was obviously unaware of how he was being manipulated. His lawyer was terrible. I would have liked to slap him up the side of his head.
Yep
i mean steven avery is one thing but i think brendan dassey is innocent and shouldnt even have been in jail. he didnt have a lawyer present and no offense but someone with that IQ should have had someone present at least. the case with brendan alone should have had his case thrown out and he should have been freed.
BrittxWhispers it got overturned but it doesn't say clearly whether he's going to be released or not. If anyone researches it and knows please comment cause I'm confused
He won't be released yet, the prosecutors for the state have filed a motion yesterday to have their case heard in front of all 7 members of the Judge's panel which could take months, and if they don't get what they want they threatened to go to the Supreme Court. So it will be a while sadly before Brendan gets out of jail.
BrittxWhispers - I believe he should be retried for sure, that was total BS. The jury in his case was pre-coached by Kratz when he went on public TV and stated in detail what he believed they did, and he didn't say this was alleged or anything he acted like they had already been convicted.
I'm all for Brendan, but something he said during police questioning had me a little confused. It was stated by someone that he read on a fourth grade reading level, but yet he told the officers that he made up what he did to the woman based on what he read from a book, "Kiss the girls" by James Patterson. My question is, what fourth grader with a mental and learning deficit is reading James Patterson novels? Regardless, I still don't think Brendan is guilty. I think I read too much into that part of his statement. Or did I? I'm so confused. Ugh!
I think someone in the family was involved maybe even Steven. He could be guilty but the police definitely planted evidence. Brendan being in jail is a total travesty of justice...
Where’s the blood in the bedroom?, where’s the hand cuffs or chains supposedly used in bedroom? I’ve watched the documentary twice all 20 episodes and no one answered these questions. I’ll always stand with Steven an Brendan. God help them
Correct
"..Corporations continue to seek profits from our loss." How sadly true. 😢
THANKS ROBERT THE ONLY ONE SPEAKING THE TRUTH THAT A YOUNG WOMAN WAS KILLED
Kratz is a terrible man but just gets brushed off despite clear evidence. And then he wants us to believe he knows better when talking about circumstantial evidence with mountains of doubt surrounding them.
What was the evidence left out did I miss it?
Bobby Dassey
Where are “all the evidence not presented at trial”? Just that his sweat was on the trunk? I was expecting a ton of things that the doc did not cover.
The manipulation of Dassey is just so disturbing. Its so very obvious that everything about his confession and incarceration of this poor man is just so evil.
There's no way this murder happened the way it did and for the people saying why would police go as far as framing or want a innocent person arrested that gets proved for his previous fake sexual assault charge they took a simple young boy and had a very smart detective make him confess and the confession had so many holes in it he was spoon fed and it changed many times
Also how can 2 people be arrested for life for murder for 1 person she don't have 2 life's 1 person can only actually kill her
Also in Stevens case she was murdered in the bedroom and in Brandon's case she was murdered in the garage that proves the prosecutor knew it was a very shady case
There is literally numerous people that live and work on that property. Steven would have had to plan a murder and rape and clean it up without anyone hearing or seeing anything. Apart from Brendan who would have admitted he was a time traveller If you sat him there long enough
Dassey should NOT be in prison. Dassey’s confession was COERCED. Dassey did NOT participate in any crime. FREE the INNOCENT.
I think Ken Kratz & Nancy disgrace ought to get a room
Whose here after seeing advert for this story on Daily wire with Candace Owens?
No
Not sure if Avery is guilty or not - (I have my doubts) but Brendan was completely manipulated. No parent present. No legal counsel present and it is more than obvious that he was jsut trying to get out of that room and a confusing, uncomfortable environment. It is very telling that Kratz didn't present the 'confession' in Avery's trial - he knew it would be challenged, probably thrown out as evidence and would then damage his case against Dassey. I truly do not understand how anyone could watch that interrogation and NOT be disgusted by the whole debacle.
Agreed
What evidence?
Nancy Grace is the LAST person I would want on my side for ANYTHING
Nancy Disgrace!!
Soooo what evidence are you guys constantly talking about?
Although I haven’t fully finished this series yet….. my heart goes out to all.
This is an injustice for that poor girls family as well as all involved. I’ve studied mental health, psychology, sociology & counseled many- imo the Avery’s were seen as simpletons and they were targeted -this was a set up and a cover up for the olive departments incompetence.
And the audacity of those detectives knowing full well those interviews w that child who has mental disabilities were suggestive, confusing, unethical & psychological way too advanced for him- absolutely shocking & sickening!! It was abusive and he was coerced every step of the way into a false confession- it’s infuriating and absolutely heartbreaking 💔
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few.
The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom.
Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her.
And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
Omg finally someone intelligent. Lol totally agree with you. Anyone with more spidy senses can smell the bullshit case. Sad for Teresa but the perve could have done it and blamed it on Avery. Now that it's known he's a perv makes all the more sense
@MsGreek2011 Huh? Who are you talking about?
"Seek profit from our loss"
Bringing love and awareness for Theresa while letting the world know of a possible wrongful life in prison sentence. That's serious too.
+Wipez You know that isnt the case. No one really gives a fuck about theresa and are only concerned with proving SA is innocent, even though anyone with an open mind would know we arent getting teh full story in the documentary.
Alot of people just make sport of her murder, just to have something to talk about. They go out of their way to exclude any blame on steve avery and accuse anyone else that knew her( her boyfriend , her brother, ect.) with no proof just a wild theory to look clever. Same with the rest of steve's family as long as it isn't Brendan or Steve.
I believe they are being framed and they allowed the real killer to go free
All to save face and 30 million buck's...money will make people do things they swore they would never do
Who do u think the real killer is?
@@milart12yeah who dunnit?
So the prosecutor while saying he had overwhelming evidence not shown could only think of a few drops of sweat on the hood latch. He has no idea if any fingerprints were found because he knows they didn't find any. At his big news conference he talked about how her throat was cut while tied to his bed, but they found NO DNA ANYWHERE in his house. Yet, the prosecutor says Avery is a stupid person.
Remember, the documentary was being made in real time, during the events that happened, not years later. They had jurors saying before the first day of the trial he was guilty. After the first vote they got rid of a not guilty juror in a very suspicious accident. They had 36 million reasons to see him behind bars again!!!
After the Avery side said that there is no evidence of blood or DNA in the bedroom, Kratz said,: There is no blood because Avery killed her in his garage. All of the sudden!!
How in the world, a jury could NOT see this is a inside job?
This makes me smh every time I see the cover ob making a murderer on netflix.
The whole story makes me sick and I if I could, I would fly over to slap Kratz in his face. It's ridiculous
I don’t know how the people that found that young man guilty can live with themselves, the young man would not know his own name without help.
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few.
The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. Avery's sweat and skin cell mixture DNA on the hood latch of the RAV. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom.
Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her.
And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
As for Dassey, many things from his interrogation had relevance and matched up with the evidence. He seemed to have at least some knowledge of how the crime was carried out.
He getting a soda for tellin some stuff 😮 the tricked him with the mac donalds and the soda 😮
@@CiroDiMarzio909 That doesn't explain the things he knew about the crime without them telling him, though.
@@RavensFanJ he looked at the clock and he thought hmm can I go finish my school project now? 😑
@@CiroDiMarzio909 Just because he's of a lesser IQ doesn't mean he didn't help commit a crime.
Instead of trying to get him off as if Steven Avery was innocent they should have seen it as he was forced to participate because is Steven Avery threatened to kill him. That is what they should have done
The three Questions I had At the end of this experience were as follows:
Are Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt? (I don't believe they are.)
Are the law enforcement offices of both the Manitowoc and Calumet counties responsible for tampering and hiding evidence, as well as coercing and editing statements? (I VERY MUCH believe this.)
AND
Who truly killed Teresa Halbach?
(There are so many theories on this that it's mind-numbing, so I really have no clue. This, however, is what truly matters at the end, and I hope the truth is brought to light sooner than later. RIP Teresa. You were a bright soul and are missed by all who knew you.)
+Anthony Brown Sorry dude but I honestly dont believe the documentary gave the audience enough to make the reasonable doubt statement. They brought up the fact it was possible some things may have been planted but didnt gop into whether it was possible Stephen could have done this either (played Devils Adovocate) despite their being a mountian of evidence pointing in his direction. The Jury didnt have such limitations, so we cannot really say for real if there wasnt reasonable doubt.
They said the blood was planted so they did the only test possible to suggest it may have been ( doesnt mean it still wasnt planted by other means) and the test came back negative. Once that happens how seriously do you want the Jury to bleive the outlandish theory put forward that he was framed?
Her Bones found in fire pit next to his trailer...he called her 3 times the day she went missing and her van was found on his property ...that's a lot of evidence to overcome....
He ran his cousin off the road while she had her toddler in the car, then shoved a gun in her face; he repeatedly abused, and threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend; doused his cat with gasoline and threw her into a bonfire so he could kick-back and enjoy watching the innocent kitty screaming and writhing to death. Such a fine gentleman, the kind I would like as a son-in-law. I'd have to get my daughter to marry him. What a great husband and father he would be.
I'd gladly see Avery in prison for the rest of his life for the stuff he has done, but I wouldn't be comfortable letting someone else get away with murder because of it. The doubt in this case is not even slightly based on the assumption that Avery wouldn't be capable of this so it really doesn't have any relevance. I wouldn't want Ted Bundy go to prison for a murder he didn't do either, simply because it would mean that the one who actually did it walks free. Now Avery might very well be guilty, but there are points that are valid to question, but none of them have to do with whether we should like him or not.
@@lhotse1716 The people that have to live with the possibility of someone else being the killer are the same one's that know Avery -- the citizens of the small town of Two Rivers. They feel safe when he's locked up...and no wonder! There were no murders in town when he was locked up. He's released for about two years, he rapes his niece, and Halbach becomes the first murder victim since anyone can remember. Then he gets locked up again, and no additional murders for nine years.
@@lhotse1716 The people that have to live with the possibility of someone else being the killer are the same one's that know Avery -- the citizens of the small town of Two Rivers. They feel safe when he's locked up...and no wonder! There were no murders in town when he was locked up. He's released for about two years, he rapes his niece, and Halbach becomes the first murder victim since anyone can remember. Then he gets locked up again, and no additional murders for nine years. Can't blame women for feeling safer. Avery told his inmates that when he got released, he would rape and kill some b*.
If you try to trace Theresa halbach back from where she was during the series there are no records of her existing prior to making a murderer
5:29 and John Wayne Gacy was killing at the same time he had many friends and owned a successful contacting company in Chicago. He didn't kill in for profit or revenge, he killed for pleasure. People don't think about what they have to loose when they kill for pleasure
More so he killed young men when they refused his advances. So for 2 reasons. That hurt his ego and he didn't want to be outed for being gay.
@@justin-md4xm Thats not true for the vast majority of Gacy's murders. He was a sexual sadist and an erotophonophile meaning the act of killing made him orgasm.
Most of the boys Gacy killed trusted him enough to be alone with him at which point he would show them his "rope trick". Once they were securely bound he raped and strangled them. Gacy rarely made direct advances on the boys because he did not want to make them his consensual lover, he wanted to kill them.
@@doomngloom9088 ok I guess you're right. I have only a cursory knowledge of Gasy ☺
How can there be a conviction beyond reasonable doubt given the following:
1. During the police interrogation of Brendan Dasey he said that Avery stabbed her. The officers say "come on now be honest, something about the head". Dasey sits there for minutes with a confused look on his face and eventually said "he cut off her hair". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he punched her". The officers say "what else". Dasey said "he cut her throat" and the officers say "what else happens to her in her head", (THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT THE OFFICERS HAVE SAID WHAT HAPPENED TO HER HEAD - DASEY HAS NEVER OFFERED UP INFORMATION ABOUT DAMAGE TO TARESA'S HEAD ON HIS OWN) by this stage Dasey clearly looks to me like he is thinking, what do they want me to say. The officers say repeatedly "what else" as Dasey sits there with a confused look. Dasey then said "that's all I can remember". The officer then said and I quote "ok then I'm just gunna come right out and ask you, who shot her in the head" and Dasey replies instantly "he did". I mean this is the most blatant coercion you could ever possibly witness, how can anybody with a reasonable amount of intelligence view this as a concrete confession from a 16 year old boy with a low IQ. The officers literally created the narrative for Dasey to say "HE DID" I mean it's just beyond comprehension that this was admissible. Plus he also asks the officer if he will be released by 1:30 because he has a project due at school, so it is clear that he has no idea that he is confessing and will go to jail so he is just telling them what they want to hear to get out of there as quickly as he can. He has no idea of the consequences of his words.
2. Nov 3rd 2005 - Truck driver tells Colborn that there is a green rav 4 half a mile up a road that is in the bushes on the side of the road
which is not on Avery RD
3. Nov 3rd 2005 - Colborn radios in to HQ asking what the license plate number of the rav 4 is and then states
emphatically "99 TOYOTA" which sounds like he is standing in front of the car. The car is Teresa Halbach's. This is testimony in first trial with the recording played.
4. Nov 4th 2005 - Avery sees headlights and his brother sees tail lights of a car on the edges of the property
5. Nov 5th 2005 - The rav 4 is found on Averys property right on the edge of the property line
6. Nov 8th 2005 - Colborn suddenly finds the rav4 key in Averys home on the "SEVENTH" search and it is in plain sight.
7. The key has only Averys DNA and not Teresa's, how is that possible.
8. Avery's blood sample from the evidence room at the police station is open and the vial clearly shows the puncture of a needle in the top of it - why? There should be a paper trail of why it was used but there isn't.
So this guy rang up the photography place and specifically asked for Taresa plus he leaves messages everywhere about meeting her that day. He kills her on his property and leaves the bones in a fire pit on his property and the car on his property all when he just got out of an 18 year jail sentence for a crime he didn't commit and is about to receive a 34 million dollar settlement. No one is that stupid.
Kratz makes my skin crawl! He is grandiose, pompous, incompetent and disgusting. I agree with everyone about his voice. Yuck! The sheriff's department and Kratz destroyed so many lives and are obstructing justice for Teresa, Steve and Brendan! My prayers are with Steve Avery, Brendan Dassey, Teresa Halbach and their families. I fervently hope and pray that all of the people involved receive true justice and peace. Steve and Brendan are INNOCENT!
2:50 a facial analysis psychoanalyst would say his eye blinking during his denial in these sentences is proof of his having done something unconscionable for a law abiding officer...like plant evidence.
I have no fucking idea what kind of people were in that jury that they decided that this kid was part of Teresa's murder after seeing this really doubtful interrogation.
I think they picked the low iq people so they too could be spoon fed with a story making no sense. Anyone smart and that follows true crime can smell bullshit a mile away.
Everybody loses in this sad sad case. Justice has left the courthouse.
I like your turn of phrase!
Unfortunately, if Brendan is innocent he's too dumb to fight his way out.
+D.MYST supposedly - dont forget his attorney tried to sell him out the rat!!!
I think Nancy Grace did it
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Bobby dassey is the killer hands down I million percent but that's why he told his brother to aliiby him going hunting !!!!!! He did it
Nancy grace vs. Kathleen Zelner LETS GOOOOOO
Brandon needs to be freed. Anyone can clearly see he was cohersed. They won't allow him to be freed because if they do that it will weaken their case against Steven. I'm not saying Steven isn't guilty but I do believe Brandon is innocent.
Brandon from BH90201 😂😂
That’s why there was no justice. His own Attorney “well a big part of him is worried he did it”
All the "evidence" they claim was left out I remember seeing in the documentary. Some of it not in great detail but some in pretty deep detail. So how is any of this left out?
They keep saying all of this incriminating evidence was left out of the documentary yet they don't tell us what any of it even is!
Supposedly the sweat of Avery was on the hood of her car but not his fingerprints. I think the hood of a car is the easiest place to get fingerprints because it is smooth. How his sweat lasted there I don't know. That is probably more just made up testimony.
@@Babu-kr3cr and his DNA was on that key but not Teresa's... How?
@@wrestlingwithart sounds like a bunch of freemasons sticking together rather than upholding the law.
This is Exactly why you should Always have a Lawyer present during any questioning/interrogation by Police!
And as for Nancy Grace.....How anyone can suffer her is beyond me! 😂
Still living off the OJ case = Nancy Grace. She is awful.
I really like Dean Strang. I feel he's an authentically kind and caring person. But I think, because he didn't TOTALLY believe in his client (which I feel, a lawyer must) he might've slacked a bit.
Especially surrounding the cell phone pings. Not sure why Strang and Buting couldn't obtain Teresa's records which could have helped vindicate Avery once or if it was established that Zipperer and not Avery was her last appointment.
I think all a viewer has as far as 'truth' is their very own instinct. And my instincts strongly feel, Avery did not do this.
Prosecutor is a Pervert !!
Pathetic when entertainment wins out over a victims rights to grief and privacy.
RIP Teresa 🙏
They keep saying evidence was left out, what evidence?
At the 06:00 mark, Strang states" a big part of him is worried SA maybe guilty." How can he say such a thing, knowing more about how much corruption was involved in this case. The meer fact that LE needed BDs confession answers that question.
Still want to see what grade he got on his 6th hour project
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Brendan should've worn a tie to his trial. That goes a long way.
Seeing Colborn behind Brendan at 1:50 was all sorts of maddening.
Brendan was there but he has no heart or soul to tell the truth of his part. He's in prison where he belongs.
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I'm on the Avery is innocent side but I've had 2 lingering questions that I can't seem to find an answer to on the internet.
1) Did Steven ever give an explanation as to why he dialed *67 when trying to contact Teresa on the day she went missing ?
2) Even though there was no physical evidence of Teresa being 'shackled" to his bed post...did he actually own a pair of hand cuffs and leg shackles? If so, did he give any explanation as to where he got them and why he kept them around?
Once again, I believe he was set up, however I feel these 2 questions being answered would strengthen his case. Perhaps I missed it and someone can help answer in the comment section????
i believe they did find a single pair of handcuffs in the bedroom ...but no dna evidence on bed, matress, floors walls or ceiling, and no shackle marks on bed
the argument there is if someone was murdered so brutally like they said it would be impossible to clean every little spec of blood, this is why they moved the location of the crime scene to the garage because they had no evidence in the bedroom basically trying everything they can to convict him so they dont have to pay him millions of dollars in a lawsuit
@@Seanmm8855 if DNA, blood could be planted then toys were not difficult.
Avery has a iq of around 71! Brendon 83 you think these guys can murder someone and not leave a spec of blood or dna in his trailer!
Colburn now in charge of evidence? Now that's scary! LOL
It's really simple. It is all about the money. $36 Million. If Brendon and Steve were to surrender their right to civil litigation against any party the state won't block the next judge's order for release.
Zellner is my new female crush. That lady is a beast and knows it!!
Natasha - She’s amazing for her tireless determination and meticulous attention to detail. God Bless her! She’s an inspiration to the profession!
Ken Kratz commentary: not credible. Liar and known abuser of his position.
Nuff sed.
they only found out about Brendan because he told his cousin details
what 2021 updates do you have?. where is the proof thay yjose bones were indeed teresas??
Teresita from Queen of the South 😂
An entire transcript doesnt matter if the kid has the mentality of a 4th grader. He was also a minor and didnt have a parent or lawyer present... 100% illegal.
Detective: Easy pickens.
Second Detective: Agreed.
What was the evidence they left out? Misleading title.
Who is this Nancy Grace you speak of? I'm confused... she doesn't seem to exist.
he was under drugs while doing Avery case
It's amazing how they just rolled right through the " put her (DNA) in Steve's garage " or the time stamp the school bus driver gave.
At least kraps is suffering a little. He helped destroy many lives. Hope things get worse for him for being an evil person
Yep
Sorry... if your going to make a documentary don't leave out important evidence to make people think this guy is innocent! read the book indefensible! I thought he was innocent, not anymore.
A MIXED BAG Explain...
A MIXED BAG And what side wrote that book?