As a new Masters student, the grouping of tabs thing is so true. Word of warning: if you go to grad school in your special interest, people will not see it as you being passionate. When you go on a tangent people panic and think you are trying to show off. Your professors think questions for clarification are you being disrespectful and showing off. Sadddddddd
Blech, teachers who dislike questions are the worst. How are you supposed to learn if you don't ask questions? I actively asked questions for my own clarity in college, but also asked questions I already knew the answer to (eg. Math class stuff) because I knew I struggled when I originally learned and I knew that most people don't like asking questions for fear of judgment or being annoying. So I decided to be the one who asked questions and my classmates eventually felt more comfortable to ask their own too.
People who think you're showing off might just be insecure about the limits of their own knowledge/skills. There's nothing wrong with showing off, anyway. I got that in fine arts, some people thought me excitedly showing off my art and asking to see everyone else's was bragging but I genuinely just love to share and compare and learn together?? You can't control how others interpret you, but you can do your best to be genuinely yourself. I watched this Irish lady's ted talk about cultivating Interiority instead falling into the trap of inferiority/superiority complexes. It's really difficult but worth doing. I'm trying lol 😅
Feeling called out, but in more ways than one; Cause I do both! I've got a gazillion tabs lined up at all times, so as to *not forget*... *as well as* saving most *every* YT-vid' I watch into its own, related playlist.
it’s a bit shocking that top down processors think like that… how can they be so sure they’ve assumed an accurate context??? this honestly helps me a lot because my favorite marvel superhero is spider man so i can just be autistic af about it and daydream that i’m spider-man hehe 🕷️🥰 anyways forever grateful for your channel! - AUDHD afro latina here~
Yeah I find that super frustrating, when I'm forced to assume context. And a lot of the time I'm essentially certain I am deducing the correct context, but it still takes deliberately thinking it through, and even then I don't feel comfortable deciding my assumption is correct. I feel a bit indignant when I'm forced to do that. Why couldn't they just say it plain rather than make me read between the lines or follow a trail of bread crumbs with no actual confirmation at the end, no "you guessed right!" I only get told when I guess wrong.
I have found even some neurodivergents also say "why are you talking about this? It has nothing to do with the topic" or "you're going off topic. Get to the point" when to me I am still on topic, just a different part of the topic that I think is important
I do this to people. I need the information to be concise and to the point or I stop listening. I have AuDHD and the combination tends to cause some listening problems for me.
@faeriesmak my partner is the same as you. He needs everything straight to the point otherwise he gets annoyed and zones out. I'm AuDHD too but for some reason it doesn't really manifest like that for me. I seem to need all the information and details and not just to the point lol
I am an ADHDer just like my boyfriend and I tend to tell him to get back to topic. Usually it is just me fearing he will forget the things he has to say about the other branch-off topics that I wanted to hear about if he goes on a tangent now. And fearing that I will forget to aks about it later, too.
What’s crazy is how in the Netherlands we have an entire subject dedicated on how to read a text (begrijpend lezen). Neurotypicals already hate this subject, because it ruins the fun of reading with an excessive amount of dry questions of the text they’re reading. Often while leaving societal context out of the picture. But it sucks even more for neurodivergent people, because we’re forced to learn how to read and interpret text like a neurotypical. It’s a lose lose situation for all of us. When I first learned of bottom-up thinking, the first thing I thought of is that my absolute hatred of ‘begrijpend lezen’ as a kid wasn’t just teenage angst, but was completely justified. Then I learned this subject also has a negative influence on neurotypical teens and found out my hatred was even more justified.
swatting away spider webs reminds me of how i dont let myself be curious, i tend to follow conversations without contributing or really understanding anything. but a couple times recently ive been able to slow the conversation down to a pace i can comprehend and i was able to ask several questions to gather enough information to make connections and then ask more detailed ones after. it was so lovely and satisfying, and the person i was talking to complimented my questions saying they were great things to ask and be curious about.
I love being alone. Working from home helps me control my thinking. However, my family often distracts me, even when I know they aren't in the room where I work. I know my family can hear me and I don't want to be heard by them. This gets me overthinking and self-conscious about my skills on the job. I ended up reserving a room through Peerspace to have my alone time and work in solace. Other times my family doesn't cause me to behave this way, but those rare moments are sometimes difficult to get back to. I wish I had a dedicated space like a guest house to remove the distractions and intruding thoughts, self-imposed and real.
Well hell. I was today years old when I realized it's not 'normal' to have 25-50+ tabs open, sometimes on multiple computers...and hundreds of playlists... I appreciate you pointing out top-down vs bottom-up thinking. It can be helpful to deliberately 'zoom out' and look at the bigger picture more regularly/deliberately...and I LOVE your advice to give yourself processing time to develop those beautiful webs of thought. I have a great many.
This makes so much sense. This year I finally realized that I am just NOT a leader. I have tried to force myself into those roles because I get really good at doing something, then think I should just be the one running it. Absolutely not, with my processing system, when I lead I am SO focused on the tiny details and variables that I often overlook the big picture, or can recover readily from unforseen circumstances. Instead, realizing I'm just not the big picture guy, I do way better just focusing on a smaller subset or my own work, and doing it well but without worrying about other people's personal style effecting my process. Idk it makes perfect sense to me, im dolphining here 😂
Just when I needed the perfect video at the perfect time. This explains why so many things go on in my head and I feel frustrated, exhausted, and incomplete at the end of conversations where I can't bounce my thoughts off of another person or just have to 'silence' myself to show courtesy. It stifles my creativity to follow social rules in conversation. Love your metaphors btw.
Feeling called out with those comments on having multiple tabs open. 😂 Not only do I always have many tabs open, but I also have multiple browser windows open (usually 3-5) with multiple tabs in each browser window (anywhere from 3-12+)! And they are organized within those windows/tabs exactly as you described. I had NO idea this was an ADHD thing.
Realizing how my brain functions best and creating an environment that works with it instead of against it is so helpful. I've realized brain breaks prevents brain freeze. Starting the day at home or work with entry level tasks that aren't overwhelming and will give me easy wins so I can farm enough dopamine to tackle the bigger tasks. And so on. The brain breaks are usually a more fulfilling task outside of what I was working on. A snack a stretch a quick RUclips video a small time knitting. Realizing my super power is completing tasks really quickly when my brain is at peak performance means that taking these breaks actually doesn't negatively impact my performance but improves it. That's probably my way of giving my brain time to process things before tackling something new. Also metaphors are my life lol. Also I totally have separate windows for each of my internet tab categories.
It is the environment that is DELIBERATELY broken. It is deliberately designed to overstimulate and annoy you. The fridge that beeps after ten seconds of open door, the pitch of the "news" channel, the family that love to have tv on while trying to have a conversation with you, the dirty electricity leaking cfl light bulbs, the coritsol spiking blue light spectrum leds, the more busy cities by the year, the time speeding up, the shops closing earlier. It is basically turning into hell, no place to rest or get away from artificial dazzling lights and nervous system disrupting frequencies.
I was wondering why neurotypicals tend to resort to stereotypes so much and was just thinking about this and reflecting on my thinking style so this top-bottom stuff makes a lot of sense. I can't imagine have the clarity to look at that trash bag situation like that. For me, that always comes later but most ppl think it means you're either being dishonest or simply have nothing in your head.
It takes me a while to realize I'm irritated..... then... why or what is overstimulating me? Finally it ends up being a sound or the most obnoxious sound on the radio! 😅
I look at top down vs bottom up like this. 2 blank canvas and paragraph of description of what to paint. Top down thinker just start painting. Bottom thinkers read and read the description, research all meanings of all the works. Then start painting once satisfied with all the details. The two painting one will focused on first idea the top down thinker had. The bottom up thinking will get that as well only more detailed and different interpretations.
Re: tabs. I’m AuDHD and currently have 500 tabs open on my iPhone. I would have more but that’s the max lol. My MacBook actually crashed because I had hundreds and hundreds of tabs open. I lost so many tabs with things I was meaning to check out.
Lol yes. I also have 3 different search engines. Chrome for when I reached my 500 limit again and I can’t bother to search for tabs to delete. Ecosia for when I need a specific website (they plant trees it’s amazing) but their ai isn’t as optimized so it doesn’t work as well for those late night rabbit hole search sessions
I'm totally not linear. At work I'm taking in bunch of information on Tech problem. I've read and read tons of forums on problem. Then it goes into background process in my brain. I then can look up things of interest while processes. Once done processing it moves back into conscious thought as explanations, understanding, and possible solutions. I find other potential problems down the road on project that no one has though about. It would be discovered later as moved along an hit that problem. So it looks weird like I'm not working on what I'm supposed to while I'm processing all the information.
Great video! It’s so helpful! If you wanted to do another video sometime and talk about bottom down processing, I would really love that. I’m having a really hard time grasping the full idea of it. There actually aren’t a lot of resources for it either. So I’m piecing things together. Maybe adding a lot of examples of it and expand on the topic? Anyways, thanks for all your content! 😊
Thank you for making this. I found it so validating and helpful. Trying to force myself to into linear thinking and speaking is incredibly taxing and demoralizing. Speaking of dolphins and spiders... I have read two sci-fi stories recently which feature spider-like alien species and I immensely enjoyed each of them. Such a neat coincidence that you use the image of a spider web to describe our thought webs. That really resonated! I understand what you mean and I feel understood! Plus, how BEAUTIFUL are spider webs?! 🕷️ 🫶🏻 🕸️
I wanted so hard to be like, “no way I would totally get that,” about the trash, but then I recalled how many times I have been exasperated shouting “wtf is this!!” Before it clicking and saying, oh yeah that’s xyz”. So basically I would get it…eventually 😂😂
Very well described, I recognize my own thinking in your description. I am on the autism spectrum, without ADHD though, so I am not a fan of lots of tabs. I want my information on the computer ordered and simple. 🙂 I really liked your concept of dolphining. I realize that I probably do that a lot without realizing that other people cannot follow my line of thought, making social connections with other people harder. I also like the idea of making the best use of our way of thinking instead of blaming ourselves and forcing us to think in some "normal" way which feels unnatural.
I so agree, I work with my brain not against it. I ignore advice about training or "discipline". When my brain wants to work, it is miraculous and I produce amazing stuff: sometimes at night, sometimes on trains, sometimes in the shower. Keep a pen or paper with you or use your phone to take notes. I have written a novel pretty effortlessly this way. Does anyone care when authors or painters made their work.
guys, do you guys ask the "same question" multiple times, like it appears the person didnt explain with the details or even tho its just details or like forget in a while and need to ask again??? I'm feeling so dumb and not great at work because i ask too much
The tabs thing is me all the time, it also makes me anxious and overwhelmed to see so many tabs, but I can't stop! Plus the trash thing as well. My mom used to scold me for not noticing things like that all the time. I used to think it was a me problem, wondering when I was going to grow up!
Thanks, the encouragement and also the metaphors are super helpful! (Was just watching your video to distract from my own brainfog whilst struggling to script a message to a friend, so I'll see what I can put to practice)
I like your videos a lot and find a lot of value in them & i appreciate you greatly. It would be dope if you could add time stamps for the ad reads though so I could focus on your content more. Have a clear demarcation of where the ad read begins and ends is very useful & would help a lot.
This is a metaphor that dumped into my head one day, a bit similar to ‘dolphining’: So you ask, how can I possibly be an introvert when sometimes talking so much, seemingly effortlessly? Well, so the whale must be a fish, then? Cuz just like a whale, who spends most of their time underwater, I dive up to the surface to breathe, and when I do it kinda looks like the whale, exploding and blowing crazy amounts of air and water up high!
Also, the design of the school system is an utter disaster for neurodivergent people, deeply controlling, no individual agency, forced operating modes that do not work for many people.
Oh I was always confused with bottom up and top down processing, because I always want to know the context or why I'm supposed to learn or know something, but I think this might be because I don't naturally provide it so I ask others to provide the context for me so I can process quicker/ get to the point/ what they are saying quicker than I would without Is this top-down or bottom-up then? Like I always want to or need to know why
Okay, maybe I didn't understand the video completely, but has anyone tips on how to exactly execute this? Like, I feel like I understand the difference now in bottom to top thinking and vice versa. But I go exactly through what was talked about near the end of the video. It takes me months to realize what emotions I feel, that they're even there in the first place and where they come from. I feel so much brain fog and so disconnected from my body and emotions. So, how can I exactly change this? Does anyone have advice?
There isn't much information on top down vs bottom up processing (yet) but looking into delayed emotional processing might be helpful in this context too! I struggle a lot with this and personally have found that I have it happen the most when I am in environments that cause masking. When I end up masking, the feels don't feel safe to show up in the moment, but hours/days/weeks later it all comes in and is very confusing and makes setting boundaries feel impossible. Maybe trying to note what things are happening or who you areninteracting with that leaves you feeling more foggy?
@@luvleeaddi I'll definitely look into it. And also, I never really reflected on what / who makes me feel more foggy and disconnected, so I'll try to be more aware of that. Thank you so much for your suggestions!! Sending you so much light
I have a lot of executive dysfunction with these things. Seeing the trash would result in thoughts like I should collect all trash and then forget to eat. Or plan to take it out, eat and then forget the trash. Or not notice the trash because I’m busy. Then start acting really upset later just realizing it’s a sensory thing. Or notice it and wonder why my partner didn’t say anything about it. Construct better ways take out the trash. Start looking for paper and markers for a chore chart. Or take out the trash and get distracted outside…or spend more time wondering what caused it to stink so badly? And if I should look for better trash bags…And so on….
I feel so called out lmao I just checked and I have 263 tabs in safari. I frequently will scroll back through it also and be like oh yeah I FORGOT I was looking at that thing. Then I’ll make ANOTHER new tab to look up more info about it 😂 and never close the tabs. Eventually my browser crashes out and I start all over hahahahaha
i didnt know there was a word for the dolphin experience omg my family used to always ask me how i got to the next idea and id be like well i thought of this which made me think of this
This vídeo is so amazing. I kind of feel really happy for being autistic with só mulheres possibilities for my own spider web conexões! Im really happy I fundamental ur channel. The way u explain The concepts is awesome. Thank so much
i tried the code for skipper but it isn't working :( was it one of those that only work for a certain amount of people? sorry if i didn't catch that if you already said that in the video.
I have 99 tabs, but a bitch ain't one. lol I do, indeed, have 99 tabs. They're grouped based on the topic I was researching at the time, or the project I was working on. Every now and then, I go through and get rid of ones that I no longer intend to pursue further, but they tend to stack up quickly. I organize my bookmarks the same way, but tabs don't get to become bookmarks unless I plan to use them for more than one narrow purpose. Might need to try out that Skipper thing to see if it changes how I work. I agree we tend to shame ourselves for how our brain connects one topic to another and need to continue to work to remedy that. Unlearning shame is apparently a difficult process. We can seriously stunt ourselves by trying to be something we are not. Like a plant trying to grow in the wrong soil. I appreciate your different take on distraction and the encouragement to pursue those tangents to allow them room to grow. Never know what you'll end up with.
I have over 100 open tabs on my phone and I do kind of hate it, but I just can't clear some because I know I'll forgot and never remember until maybe years later.
So, how do you recommend i respond when im having a conversation with a loved one and they seem to be all over the place and i feel a growing feelingnof frustration? From a neurotypical guy.
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As a new Masters student, the grouping of tabs thing is so true.
Word of warning: if you go to grad school in your special interest, people will not see it as you being passionate. When you go on a tangent people panic and think you are trying to show off. Your professors think questions for clarification are you being disrespectful and showing off.
Sadddddddd
Ego..
Blech, teachers who dislike questions are the worst. How are you supposed to learn if you don't ask questions?
I actively asked questions for my own clarity in college, but also asked questions I already knew the answer to (eg. Math class stuff) because I knew I struggled when I originally learned and I knew that most people don't like asking questions for fear of judgment or being annoying. So I decided to be the one who asked questions and my classmates eventually felt more comfortable to ask their own too.
People who think you're showing off might just be insecure about the limits of their own knowledge/skills. There's nothing wrong with showing off, anyway. I got that in fine arts, some people thought me excitedly showing off my art and asking to see everyone else's was bragging but I genuinely just love to share and compare and learn together??
You can't control how others interpret you, but you can do your best to be genuinely yourself.
I watched this Irish lady's ted talk about cultivating Interiority instead falling into the trap of inferiority/superiority complexes. It's really difficult but worth doing.
I'm trying lol 😅
those are trash teachers :/
One thing I'd like to add: I don't generally use a whole bunch of tabs, but I save a lot of youtubers and videos to different playlists.
Feeling called out, but in more ways than one; Cause I do both! I've got a gazillion tabs lined up at all times, so as to *not forget*... *as well as* saving most *every* YT-vid' I watch into its own, related playlist.
wait that’s really good advice because my watch later is full and now i could make a video essay or funny video playlist to watch later
Yes! Like I literally have 30 playlists, but my watch later somehow is still full 😅
Playlists!!! Like tabs but they don’t take up ram!
@@Queenread82 dis is da way
a browsing app I use on my phone just gave up and litarally tells me I have ∞ tabs
I have SO been there!!! ♾💛
it’s a bit shocking that top down processors think like that… how can they be so sure they’ve assumed an accurate context??? this honestly helps me a lot because my favorite marvel superhero is spider man so i can just be autistic af about it and daydream that i’m spider-man hehe 🕷️🥰 anyways forever grateful for your channel! - AUDHD afro latina here~
Yeah I find that super frustrating, when I'm forced to assume context. And a lot of the time I'm essentially certain I am deducing the correct context, but it still takes deliberately thinking it through, and even then I don't feel comfortable deciding my assumption is correct. I feel a bit indignant when I'm forced to do that. Why couldn't they just say it plain rather than make me read between the lines or follow a trail of bread crumbs with no actual confirmation at the end, no "you guessed right!" I only get told when I guess wrong.
I have found even some neurodivergents also say "why are you talking about this? It has nothing to do with the topic" or "you're going off topic. Get to the point" when to me I am still on topic, just a different part of the topic that I think is important
I do this to people. I need the information to be concise and to the point or I stop listening. I have AuDHD and the combination tends to cause some listening problems for me.
@faeriesmak my partner is the same as you. He needs everything straight to the point otherwise he gets annoyed and zones out.
I'm AuDHD too but for some reason it doesn't really manifest like that for me. I seem to need all the information and details and not just to the point lol
@@Space_Princess Brains are just so weird and complex!
I am an ADHDer just like my boyfriend and I tend to tell him to get back to topic. Usually it is just me fearing he will forget the things he has to say about the other branch-off topics that I wanted to hear about if he goes on a tangent now. And fearing that I will forget to aks about it later, too.
What’s crazy is how in the Netherlands we have an entire subject dedicated on how to read a text (begrijpend lezen). Neurotypicals already hate this subject, because it ruins the fun of reading with an excessive amount of dry questions of the text they’re reading. Often while leaving societal context out of the picture. But it sucks even more for neurodivergent people, because we’re forced to learn how to read and interpret text like a neurotypical. It’s a lose lose situation for all of us.
When I first learned of bottom-up thinking, the first thing I thought of is that my absolute hatred of ‘begrijpend lezen’ as a kid wasn’t just teenage angst, but was completely justified. Then I learned this subject also has a negative influence on neurotypical teens and found out my hatred was even more justified.
swatting away spider webs reminds me of how i dont let myself be curious, i tend to follow conversations without contributing or really understanding anything. but a couple times recently ive been able to slow the conversation down to a pace i can comprehend and i was able to ask several questions to gather enough information to make connections and then ask more detailed ones after. it was so lovely and satisfying, and the person i was talking to complimented my questions saying they were great things to ask and be curious about.
I love being alone. Working from home helps me control my thinking. However, my family often distracts me, even when I know they aren't in the room where I work. I know my family can hear me and I don't want to be heard by them. This gets me overthinking and self-conscious about my skills on the job. I ended up reserving a room through Peerspace to have my alone time and work in solace. Other times my family doesn't cause me to behave this way, but those rare moments are sometimes difficult to get back to. I wish I had a dedicated space like a guest house to remove the distractions and intruding thoughts, self-imposed and real.
I got way too excited when you said there would be metaphors.
I LOVE metaphors.😅
SAME!!! 🐬🐬🐬
& I super appreciated the warning re: spider imagery 'cause they're a nope for me!
Well hell. I was today years old when I realized it's not 'normal' to have 25-50+ tabs open, sometimes on multiple computers...and hundreds of playlists... I appreciate you pointing out top-down vs bottom-up thinking. It can be helpful to deliberately 'zoom out' and look at the bigger picture more regularly/deliberately...and I LOVE your advice to give yourself processing time to develop those beautiful webs of thought. I have a great many.
This makes so much sense. This year I finally realized that I am just NOT a leader. I have tried to force myself into those roles because I get really good at doing something, then think I should just be the one running it. Absolutely not, with my processing system, when I lead I am SO focused on the tiny details and variables that I often overlook the big picture, or can recover readily from unforseen circumstances. Instead, realizing I'm just not the big picture guy, I do way better just focusing on a smaller subset or my own work, and doing it well but without worrying about other people's personal style effecting my process. Idk it makes perfect sense to me, im dolphining here 😂
Just when I needed the perfect video at the perfect time. This explains why so many things go on in my head and I feel frustrated, exhausted, and incomplete at the end of conversations where I can't bounce my thoughts off of another person or just have to 'silence' myself to show courtesy. It stifles my creativity to follow social rules in conversation. Love your metaphors btw.
Feeling called out with those comments on having multiple tabs open. 😂 Not only do I always have many tabs open, but I also have multiple browser windows open (usually 3-5) with multiple tabs in each browser window (anywhere from 3-12+)! And they are organized within those windows/tabs exactly as you described. I had NO idea this was an ADHD thing.
me too omg 😭 i’mmp not diagnosed but wow this is just adding onto the list
@xfreja welcome to the club 😂
Omg, I’ve ALWAYS described my way of conversing/expressing my thoughts as ‘weaving spiderwebs’!
Realizing how my brain functions best and creating an environment that works with it instead of against it is so helpful. I've realized brain breaks prevents brain freeze. Starting the day at home or work with entry level tasks that aren't overwhelming and will give me easy wins so I can farm enough dopamine to tackle the bigger tasks. And so on. The brain breaks are usually a more fulfilling task outside of what I was working on. A snack a stretch a quick RUclips video a small time knitting. Realizing my super power is completing tasks really quickly when my brain is at peak performance means that taking these breaks actually doesn't negatively impact my performance but improves it. That's probably my way of giving my brain time to process things before tackling something new. Also metaphors are my life lol. Also I totally have separate windows for each of my internet tab categories.
It is the environment that is DELIBERATELY broken. It is deliberately designed to overstimulate and annoy you. The fridge that beeps after ten seconds of open door, the pitch of the "news" channel, the family that love to have tv on while trying to have a conversation with you, the dirty electricity leaking cfl light bulbs, the coritsol spiking blue light spectrum leds, the more busy cities by the year, the time speeding up, the shops closing earlier. It is basically turning into hell, no place to rest or get away from artificial dazzling lights and nervous system disrupting frequencies.
I was wondering why neurotypicals tend to resort to stereotypes so much and was just thinking about this and reflecting on my thinking style so this top-bottom stuff makes a lot of sense. I can't imagine have the clarity to look at that trash bag situation like that. For me, that always comes later but most ppl think it means you're either being dishonest or simply have nothing in your head.
It takes me a while to realize I'm irritated..... then... why or what is overstimulating me? Finally it ends up being a sound or the most obnoxious sound on the radio! 😅
I look at top down vs bottom up like this. 2 blank canvas and paragraph of description of what to paint. Top down thinker just start painting. Bottom thinkers read and read the description, research all meanings of all the works. Then start painting once satisfied with all the details. The two painting one will focused on first idea the top down thinker had. The bottom up thinking will get that as well only more detailed and different interpretations.
Re: tabs. I’m AuDHD and currently have 500 tabs open on my iPhone. I would have more but that’s the max lol. My MacBook actually crashed because I had hundreds and hundreds of tabs open. I lost so many tabs with things I was meaning to check out.
Lol yes. I also have 3 different search engines. Chrome for when I reached my 500 limit again and I can’t bother to search for tabs to delete. Ecosia for when I need a specific website (they plant trees it’s amazing) but their ai isn’t as optimized so it doesn’t work as well for those late night rabbit hole search sessions
real i have hundreds of tabs on all of my devices. max tabs on both my phone and ipad
If you use private browsing it gives you unlimited tabs I believe? That or I haven’t yet reached the limit. I’ve also surpassed the 500 limit 😅
I'm totally not linear. At work I'm taking in bunch of information on Tech problem. I've read and read tons of forums on problem. Then it goes into background process in my brain. I then can look up things of interest while processes. Once done processing it moves back into conscious thought as explanations, understanding, and possible solutions. I find other potential problems down the road on project that no one has though about. It would be discovered later as moved along an hit that problem. So it looks weird like I'm not working on what I'm supposed to while I'm processing all the information.
Yesterday I mentioned to someone that "it's like a spider web up in here", referring to my brain. Excellent video! I am a new fan.
Great video! It’s so helpful! If you wanted to do another video sometime and talk about bottom down processing, I would really love that. I’m having a really hard time grasping the full idea of it. There actually aren’t a lot of resources for it either. So I’m piecing things together. Maybe adding a lot of examples of it and expand on the topic? Anyways, thanks for all your content! 😊
Thank you for making this. I found it so validating and helpful. Trying to force myself to into linear thinking and speaking is incredibly taxing and demoralizing.
Speaking of dolphins and spiders... I have read two sci-fi stories recently which feature spider-like alien species and I immensely enjoyed each of them. Such a neat coincidence that you use the image of a spider web to describe our thought webs. That really resonated! I understand what you mean and I feel understood! Plus, how BEAUTIFUL are spider webs?! 🕷️ 🫶🏻 🕸️
I wanted so hard to be like, “no way I would totally get that,” about the trash, but then I recalled how many times I have been exasperated shouting “wtf is this!!” Before it clicking and saying, oh yeah that’s xyz”. So basically I would get it…eventually 😂😂
Very well described, I recognize my own thinking in your description.
I am on the autism spectrum, without ADHD though, so I am not a fan of lots of tabs. I want my information on the computer ordered and simple. 🙂
I really liked your concept of dolphining. I realize that I probably do that a lot without realizing that other people cannot follow my line of thought, making social connections with other people harder.
I also like the idea of making the best use of our way of thinking instead of blaming ourselves and forcing us to think in some "normal" way which feels unnatural.
I so agree, I work with my brain not against it. I ignore advice about training or "discipline". When my brain wants to work, it is miraculous and I produce amazing stuff: sometimes at night, sometimes on trains, sometimes in the shower. Keep a pen or paper with you or use your phone to take notes. I have written a novel pretty effortlessly this way. Does anyone care when authors or painters made their work.
guys, do you guys ask the "same question" multiple times, like it appears the person didnt explain with the details or even tho its just details or like forget in a while and need to ask again??? I'm feeling so dumb and not great at work because i ask too much
Thank you!
I love this! Thank you. ADHDer here. I just subscribed.
Irene, more like this please. I loved this, thank you.
The tabs thing is me all the time, it also makes me anxious and overwhelmed to see so many tabs, but I can't stop! Plus the trash thing as well. My mom used to scold me for not noticing things like that all the time. I used to think it was a me problem, wondering when I was going to grow up!
I love your videos but I mainly clicked on this one because your thumbnail was so pretty!
Thanks, the encouragement and also the metaphors are super helpful! (Was just watching your video to distract from my own brainfog whilst struggling to script a message to a friend, so I'll see what I can put to practice)
Thank you for this video! I often blame myself and then try harder to confirm to the neirotypical way of doing things.
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unrelated, but your skin is always glowing in every video. what are your skincare and makeup routines?? :0
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I Love this concept of circular processing: awesome video
I like your videos a lot and find a lot of value in them & i appreciate you greatly. It would be dope if you could add time stamps for the ad reads though so I could focus on your content more. Have a clear demarcation of where the ad read begins and ends is very useful & would help a lot.
Thank you, I needed this! :)
This is a metaphor that dumped into my head one day, a bit similar to ‘dolphining’: So you ask, how can I possibly be an introvert when sometimes talking so much, seemingly effortlessly? Well, so the whale must be a fish, then? Cuz just like a whale, who spends most of their time underwater, I dive up to the surface to breathe, and when I do it kinda looks like the whale, exploding and blowing crazy amounts of air and water up high!
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Thanks, I needed this.
Also, the design of the school system is an utter disaster for neurodivergent people, deeply controlling, no individual agency, forced operating modes that do not work for many people.
Thanks for your beautiful content Irene ❤
Oh I was always confused with bottom up and top down processing, because I always want to know the context or why I'm supposed to learn or know something, but I think this might be because I don't naturally provide it so I ask others to provide the context for me so I can process quicker/ get to the point/ what they are saying quicker than I would without
Is this top-down or bottom-up then? Like I always want to or need to know why
I think that’s bottom up
I thought everyone thought bottom up. Explains a lot!
This was very helpful. Thank you
Okay, maybe I didn't understand the video completely, but has anyone tips on how to exactly execute this? Like, I feel like I understand the difference now in bottom to top thinking and vice versa. But I go exactly through what was talked about near the end of the video. It takes me months to realize what emotions I feel, that they're even there in the first place and where they come from. I feel so much brain fog and so disconnected from my body and emotions. So, how can I exactly change this? Does anyone have advice?
There isn't much information on top down vs bottom up processing (yet) but looking into delayed emotional processing might be helpful in this context too! I struggle a lot with this and personally have found that I have it happen the most when I am in environments that cause masking. When I end up masking, the feels don't feel safe to show up in the moment, but hours/days/weeks later it all comes in and is very confusing and makes setting boundaries feel impossible. Maybe trying to note what things are happening or who you areninteracting with that leaves you feeling more foggy?
@@luvleeaddi I'll definitely look into it. And also, I never really reflected on what / who makes me feel more foggy and disconnected, so I'll try to be more aware of that. Thank you so much for your suggestions!! Sending you so much light
Not Most of The Times,,We Do Top Learning and Doing,All the Time. . 😊...Yes. They can transform Into Sane Neurotypicals. I Guarantee you...
This was great ❤ helps with the self love and acceptance. X
I have a lot of executive dysfunction with these things. Seeing the trash would result in thoughts like I should collect all trash and then forget to eat. Or plan to take it out, eat and then forget the trash. Or not notice the trash because I’m busy. Then start acting really upset later just realizing it’s a sensory thing. Or notice it and wonder why my partner didn’t say anything about it. Construct better ways take out the trash. Start looking for paper and markers for a chore chart. Or take out the trash and get distracted outside…or spend more time wondering what caused it to stink so badly? And if I should look for better trash bags…And so on….
I feel so called out lmao I just checked and I have 263 tabs in safari. I frequently will scroll back through it also and be like oh yeah I FORGOT I was looking at that thing. Then I’ll make ANOTHER new tab to look up more info about it 😂 and never close the tabs. Eventually my browser crashes out and I start all over hahahahaha
i didnt know there was a word for the dolphin experience omg my family used to always ask me how i got to the next idea and id be like well i thought of this which made me think of this
3:09 "what is aphasia" I literally just searched that 🤣
This vídeo is so amazing. I kind of feel really happy for being autistic with só mulheres possibilities for my own spider web conexões! Im really happy I fundamental ur channel. The way u explain The concepts is awesome. Thank so much
78 tabs open on my phone and I don't even know on my PC.
I knew I was a “divergent” thinker before I was neurodivergent. Most people I know are “convergent” thinkers.
✨❇️✨I’m walking in the spiderwebs… leave a message and I’ll call you back!”✨❇️✨
i tried the code for skipper but it isn't working :( was it one of those that only work for a certain amount of people? sorry if i didn't catch that if you already said that in the video.
I identify with this.
Arc browser is awesome because it lets you group tabs :)
I have 99 tabs, but a bitch ain't one. lol I do, indeed, have 99 tabs. They're grouped based on the topic I was researching at the time, or the project I was working on. Every now and then, I go through and get rid of ones that I no longer intend to pursue further, but they tend to stack up quickly. I organize my bookmarks the same way, but tabs don't get to become bookmarks unless I plan to use them for more than one narrow purpose. Might need to try out that Skipper thing to see if it changes how I work.
I agree we tend to shame ourselves for how our brain connects one topic to another and need to continue to work to remedy that. Unlearning shame is apparently a difficult process. We can seriously stunt ourselves by trying to be something we are not. Like a plant trying to grow in the wrong soil.
I appreciate your different take on distraction and the encouragement to pursue those tangents to allow them room to grow. Never know what you'll end up with.
I have over 100 open tabs on my phone and I do kind of hate it, but I just can't clear some because I know I'll forgot and never remember until maybe years later.
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So, how do you recommend i respond when im having a conversation with a loved one and they seem to be all over the place and i feel a growing feelingnof frustration? From a neurotypical guy.
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I needed this 🥲💜💕 I love your videos!!!
I needed this more than I could ever express right now 🥲 thank you ❤