Great vid once again. The breaking the bead and rebeading was an unexpected bonus. Thanks. You never fail to deliver. FYI from Steve at Toyo Head Office Melbourne and for my axle weights and their Toyo Open Country AT II in a 245/70 R16 the Rear cold recommended highway pressure is 56 PSI and Front cold pressure 50 PSI. These are specific for my axle weights on a heavy legal tourer, MY18 Isuzu Dmax 4x4 spacecab chassis with canopy (Not towing) Pressure was determined by them using the Tyre and Rim Association chart for use I believe. Steve also provided pressures for off road dirt, off road rocky and sand use as well. All were surprisingly high but determined using axle weights and that tyre for me. I went straight to the sand pressures from Steve for off road in Tallarook State Forest last week ie Front 21 PSI and Rear 27 PSI. Those pressures worked well for me on the day being dry. Interesting and higher pressures than "the norm" you always hear.
Those pressures do sound high for a passenger car tyre. The purpose of changing pressure with weight at freeway speeds is to evenly heat the full width of the tread and therefore experience even tread wear across the full width. You can use a FLIR camera or even an IR thermometer to check if you're running the correct pressure. Drive at freeway speeds for about an hour from cold and check the temps. If the centre of the tread is hotter, the pressure is too high, if the outer of the tread is hotter, you need to bump up the pressures. I might do a video on it.
I'd like to add reliability for consideration. I have a friend who has both a Thumper Max and an ARB single compressor. He is on his 3rd Thumper under warranty (now out of warranty) and it is on it's last legs. It only ever pumps up 4 tires, and he takes good care of it. Keep in mind the cost of reliability, as he has had to drive on low pressure tires on the road when it dies and eventually just bought the ARB and it has lasted over 2 years so far without a hiccup. I'm getting an ARB because of how often we let our tires down and I would rather the reliability than shredded tires. Great video!
Great to hear you've had a fantastic run with your Thumper, unfortunately the Thumper used in the video has just died (about 18 months old) and the owner is considering if they should replace it with another thumper, or move onto a different brand.
Thank you, loved the simple straightforward approach, no judgement & simple truths 👍 We're going to get the Kings Thumper mkIII - single piston version, @160 L/m we feel it should be ok for our old grey nomad's uses 🤣 after all, we're in no hurry 😉 Thanks again for both your videos. Ted & Rosie
@@LockyourHubs4WDing yeah, I understand that. I bought one of the classic models, mine from BCF, but same or similar to Supercheap and others, 150psi etc. No long term use yet tho. ARB are exxy, but they stand behind their products. Not sure if they are Aussie made; I know they off-shored their bullbars! Cheers Simon.
i recently retired my old tigers11 compressor after about 8 years, the switch melted ages ago but it was a simple fix and shes been good ever since. hope i get something similar out of the new thumper max. i need the savings to put fuel in a thirsty lux
I'd like to see you do these tests with Air on Boards 12v 200PSI compressors. The portable version isn't much more than the Kings crap at $192, there is a vehicle mounted version for $241 or a 9 litre tank mounted version for $324 They claim 100% duty so if what they claim is true, you are getting the ARB performance at a reasonable price.
@@LockyourHubs4WDing I just bit the bullet and ordered myself the vehicle mounted option. When all this lock down stuff is finished, I'd be happy to let you use it for a video if you want.👍
you probably need close ups etc to make the video better, i wouldve liked to see the thumper running till thermal over load, having said that i do expect your channel to grow
I purchased and used a thumper max only 5 times before it shit out and stopped working. I then bought the double ARB and it has been faultless. The ARB gets pretty hot when you fill all four truck tyres plus your camper trailer, but then fill your mates tyres because his cheap Thumper also died. The ARB did the lot. I personally wouldn't trust the Thumper for remote travel. I also have the ARB digital tyre inflator, which cannot seem to create an air tight seal at the valve end. You have to hold it with a fair amount of pressure, which causes cramps in your hands after 12 tyres. The ARB digital inflator isn't worth the money due to that poor design.
You're preaching to the choir! The owner of the test unit is on his third! I used the ARB twin yesterday, still on my first. I've also got the ARB digital inflator. Luckily it's got a standard 1/4" NPT/BSP on the end and I changed it out with a screw on fitting from ebay. Actually changed them all my inflators out for the screw on tyre, it was giving me RSI in my fingers!
I understand the ARB in excess of $600 is a hard sell. The owner of that unit is on their 3rd. 1st DOA, 2nd died after a 18 months of service and the third is still going strong. The ARB is mine and was used over the long weekend to inflate the tyres at the Portland Sand Dunes.
Lock your Hubs 4WDing I’d love to grab an ARB unit, but I’ll have to settle for a thumper dual for now, as long as it lasts until I’ve saved for the ARB that’s a win. At the price of the arb tho, I could buy a thumper max for each tyre and have the redundancy when one or two dies 😂. No question the ARB is a much better product. I wish their portable system with reservoir wasn’t near the $1k mark tho.
The first 80 also has 35s and as you saw, got through 3 and hit thermal cutout on the 4th tyre. That's going from 18psi to 36psi. So I would suggest there might be something wrong with yours.
@@LockyourHubs4WDing its inside the vehicle and on a shelf close to the roof , you rekon thats it? it does fire back up after about 30 seconds but then stops again
Awesome video with great tips and information but it is a mute point putting these 2 products against each other, there is almost a $400 dollar difference between the 2 and apart from both being portable compressors there is nothing left to compare between them.
While there is a marked difference in price, I still think the same demographic would consider both, one being the cheaper option and the other less so. Matt owns the Thumper and I own the ARB, I bought the ARB in the hope that it would last the distance, and so far it has. Matt is now on his 3rd Thumper Max. One more Thumper Max purchase by Matt and I'll be money ahead!
Definitely ARB! Pay for quality!! Buy cheap chin*se will cost you more in the long run!!! Also good to support local, and because local values quality!!!
I will be supporting the workers in Australia by buying the ARB Twin Portable system. Reliability has to do with ambient temperature while being operated. I am planning on placing the portable box on the RF floorboard and using my Jeep Wranglers A/C to keep the compressors as cool as possible. I have read many tales about people mounting them under the hood and not even getting 1 year of use out from them and then whining about them not being reliable. YEA???!!! With ambient operating temps of 300+ degrees??? ARB says they are 100% duty cycle @ 100PSI, at 70 degrees ambient air temps. NOT 300+. You can't fix STUPID.
The ARB is expensive (I think a bit overpriced). I was thinking about buying Chinese copies with the same design but after holding them and comparing build quality I decided to pay, cry for a couple of days, and then enjoy my trips.
Not quite $1000! And while the ARB is at least 3 times as expensive as the Thumper. The owner of the Thumper is now on his third and the ARB is still kicking! So it's even money at the moment.
The choice is yours: send jobs to China and get an cheap and most likely unreliable product, or pay more up front for something which will last for years with zero headaches.
There is definetly a quality difference between the two. Matt is now on his third Thumper Max and I'm still using (and sometimes abusing) the same ARB twin.
Great vid once again. The breaking the bead and rebeading was an unexpected bonus. Thanks. You never fail to deliver.
FYI from Steve at Toyo Head Office Melbourne and for my axle weights and their Toyo Open Country AT II in a 245/70 R16 the Rear cold recommended highway pressure is 56 PSI and Front cold pressure 50 PSI. These are specific for my axle weights on a heavy legal tourer, MY18 Isuzu Dmax 4x4 spacecab chassis with canopy (Not towing) Pressure was determined by them using the Tyre and Rim Association chart for use I believe. Steve also provided pressures for off road dirt, off road rocky and sand use as well. All were surprisingly high but determined using axle weights and that tyre for me. I went straight to the sand pressures from Steve for off road in Tallarook State Forest last week ie Front 21 PSI and Rear 27 PSI. Those pressures worked well for me on the day being dry. Interesting and higher pressures than "the norm" you always hear.
Those pressures do sound high for a passenger car tyre. The purpose of changing pressure with weight at freeway speeds is to evenly heat the full width of the tread and therefore experience even tread wear across the full width.
You can use a FLIR camera or even an IR thermometer to check if you're running the correct pressure. Drive at freeway speeds for about an hour from cold and check the temps. If the centre of the tread is hotter, the pressure is too high, if the outer of the tread is hotter, you need to bump up the pressures.
I might do a video on it.
I'd like to add reliability for consideration. I have a friend who has both a Thumper Max and an ARB single compressor. He is on his 3rd Thumper under warranty (now out of warranty) and it is on it's last legs. It only ever pumps up 4 tires, and he takes good care of it. Keep in mind the cost of reliability, as he has had to drive on low pressure tires on the road when it dies and eventually just bought the ARB and it has lasted over 2 years so far without a hiccup. I'm getting an ARB because of how often we let our tires down and I would rather the reliability than shredded tires. Great video!
my thumper is over 6 years old sees regular use pumping up my 35's.
Great to hear you've had a fantastic run with your Thumper, unfortunately the Thumper used in the video has just died (about 18 months old) and the owner is considering if they should replace it with another thumper, or move onto a different brand.
Brilliant video! Perfectly explained. Thank you
Thanks!
Thank you, loved the simple straightforward approach, no judgement & simple truths 👍
We're going to get the Kings Thumper mkIII - single piston version, @160 L/m we feel it should be ok for our old grey nomad's uses 🤣 after all, we're in no hurry 😉
Thanks again for both your videos.
Ted & Rosie
No worries, they're hard to go past, for the price. Glad you liked the video!
Thanks for all of your efforts for this test Simon - appreciated!
Matt's now on his third Thumper and I'm still using the same ARB twin!
@@LockyourHubs4WDing yeah, I understand that. I bought one of the classic models, mine from BCF, but same or similar to Supercheap and others, 150psi etc. No long term use yet tho. ARB are exxy, but they stand behind their products. Not sure if they are Aussie made; I know they off-shored their bullbars! Cheers Simon.
Some, not all (Depends on the model) I went through the factory on a tour a little while back.
@@LockyourHubs4WDing Nice! My son-in-law works at ARB here in Albury! I don't buy much from him tho, ie anything (too poor)
Awesome vid mate cheers 👍
Cheers, glad you liked it!
Thanks for sharing this video, one question tho, when you were reseating bead, where did you have bottom plate of the jack?
Thanks
G'day Tony, the base of the Hi-Lift was just sitting in the middle of the wheel.
i recently retired my old tigers11 compressor after about 8 years, the switch melted ages ago but it was a simple fix and shes been good ever since. hope i get something similar out of the new thumper max. i need the savings to put fuel in a thirsty lux
Wow, that's a great run from the tigers11! I hope you have as good a run with the Thumper Max.
one of the reasons i bought cheap,was loss due to theft,good video,arb difinite winer.
My ARB still running fine, Matt's on his third Supacentre Thumper Max....
when do they compare? all i saw was them using the ARB and how to bead the tyre,
Check out part 1 here! ruclips.net/video/JgMqHpoLHq8/видео.html
I'd like to see you do these tests with Air on Boards 12v 200PSI compressors. The portable version isn't much more than the Kings crap at $192, there is a vehicle mounted version for $241 or a 9 litre tank mounted version for $324 They claim 100% duty so if what they claim is true, you are getting the ARB performance at a reasonable price.
I'll have to look into them!
@@LockyourHubs4WDing I just bit the bullet and ordered myself the vehicle mounted option. When all this lock down stuff is finished, I'd be happy to let you use it for a video if you want.👍
you probably need close ups etc to make the video better, i wouldve liked to see the thumper running till thermal over load, having said that i do expect your channel to grow
He ran the Thumper to thermal cutout in Part 1. ruclips.net/video/JgMqHpoLHq8/видео.html
I purchased and used a thumper max only 5 times before it shit out and stopped working. I then bought the double ARB and it has been faultless. The ARB gets pretty hot when you fill all four truck tyres plus your camper trailer, but then fill your mates tyres because his cheap Thumper also died. The ARB did the lot. I personally wouldn't trust the Thumper for remote travel. I also have the ARB digital tyre inflator, which cannot seem to create an air tight seal at the valve end. You have to hold it with a fair amount of pressure, which causes cramps in your hands after 12 tyres. The ARB digital inflator isn't worth the money due to that poor design.
You're preaching to the choir! The owner of the test unit is on his third!
I used the ARB twin yesterday, still on my first.
I've also got the ARB digital inflator. Luckily it's got a standard 1/4" NPT/BSP on the end and I changed it out with a screw on fitting from ebay. Actually changed them all my inflators out for the screw on tyre, it was giving me RSI in my fingers!
Thumper Max $129 delivered to your door as at June 2019. Know which one i'd go for!
thumper max dual as of Nov 2019 is $149 delivered.
I understand the ARB in excess of $600 is a hard sell. The owner of that unit is on their 3rd. 1st DOA, 2nd died after a 18 months of service and the third is still going strong. The ARB is mine and was used over the long weekend to inflate the tyres at the Portland Sand Dunes.
Lock your Hubs 4WDing I’d love to grab an ARB unit, but I’ll have to settle for a thumper dual for now, as long as it lasts until I’ve saved for the ARB that’s a win. At the price of the arb tho, I could buy a thumper max for each tyre and have the redundancy when one or two dies 😂. No question the ARB is a much better product. I wish their portable system with reservoir wasn’t near the $1k mark tho.
@@ScottiPewPew agreed.
Lock your Hubs 4WDing thanks for your terrific and informative channel too, you’re doing a great job! 👍🏻
my max cuts out after 1 tyre is this normal?
Unfortunately, it seem as if the long term durability of the Thumper Max isn't as good as it could be. What sized tyre are you inflating?
@@LockyourHubs4WDing 33s
The first 80 also has 35s and as you saw, got through 3 and hit thermal cutout on the 4th tyre. That's going from 18psi to 36psi. So I would suggest there might be something wrong with yours.
@@LockyourHubs4WDing its inside the vehicle and on a shelf close to the roof , you rekon thats it? it does fire back up after about 30 seconds but then stops again
Awesome video with great tips and information but it is a mute point putting these 2 products against each other, there is almost a $400 dollar difference between the 2 and apart from both being portable compressors there is nothing left to compare between them.
While there is a marked difference in price, I still think the same demographic would consider both, one being the cheaper option and the other less so.
Matt owns the Thumper and I own the ARB, I bought the ARB in the hope that it would last the distance, and so far it has.
Matt is now on his 3rd Thumper Max. One more Thumper Max purchase by Matt and I'll be money ahead!
How the hell do you get away with running 50psi!,?.
And that's cold! I'm assuming at this stage, Matt's lower back is fused solid!
Definitely ARB! Pay for quality!! Buy cheap chin*se will cost you more in the long run!!! Also good to support local, and because local values quality!!!
Exactly, the poor man pays twice!
Can’t believe I watched a video of a guy pimping up tyres :/
I wasn't bedazzling them, I was inflating them! :)
Max II is now $149
Wow, makes it even harder to justify spending the extra on the ARB!
I will be supporting the workers in Australia by buying the ARB Twin Portable system. Reliability has to do with ambient temperature while being operated. I am planning on placing the portable box on the RF floorboard and using my Jeep Wranglers A/C to keep the compressors as cool as possible. I have read many tales about people mounting them under the hood and not even getting 1 year of use out from them and then whining about them not being reliable. YEA???!!! With ambient operating temps of 300+ degrees??? ARB says they are 100% duty cycle @ 100PSI, at 70 degrees ambient air temps. NOT 300+. You can't fix STUPID.
100% agree, high ambient temps will see losses in not only efficiency but reliability as as well.
He is right about one thing. You can't fix stupid.
The ARB is expensive (I think a bit overpriced). I was thinking about buying Chinese copies with the same design but after holding them and comparing build quality I decided to pay, cry for a couple of days, and then enjoy my trips.
I can rely on the ARB and I suppose that trust has a price.
$1000 against $150 don't quite get it....????
Not quite $1000! And while the ARB is at least 3 times as expensive as the Thumper. The owner of the Thumper is now on his third and the ARB is still kicking! So it's even money at the moment.
Watching this bloke gave me anxiety
Ummmm, thanks? :)
The tyres aren’t the same size. The car on the right has much bigger tyres and the results aren’t much use
Phil, both the ARB and the Supercentre compressor were initially used to pump up the same tyres on the vehicle on the right.
The choice is yours: send jobs to China and get an cheap and most likely unreliable product, or pay more up front for something which will last for years with zero headaches.
There is definetly a quality difference between the two. Matt is now on his third Thumper Max and I'm still using (and sometimes abusing) the same ARB twin.