I absolutely love where the channel is going Jen. While I still love makeup, not excited with it anymore. Would love a Tati deep dive next. I used to worship her until she became friends with JS and it was downhill after that.
Yess pleasee that would be wonderful Jen! Who’s JS? Im thinking well its not Jaclyn Hill, not James Charles…..but I love Tati no matter what still but love love watching deep dives on influencers
People need to stop throwing the words gaslighting and narcissistic around. Invalidation is not the same thing as gaslighting and being selfish or self-centered is not the same thing as being a narcissist. Sincerely, A Clinical Psychologist
@@reneerevolinski4822yep. especially related to psychology or psychology adjacent things. like how hardly anyone actually knows what intrusive thoughts are and instead use the term to describe impulsive thoughts, which are an entirely different thing.
@@AliceBunny05 Yes! I have *actual* intrusive thoughts and the "someone let their intrusive thoughts win" meme when someone is just acting on an at most frustrating impulse is so annoying. Like I wish smacking a pie was the worst of what was going through my head, I really do.
@@osteophagus it's dangerous to throw around phrases and words like this and water them down too much, because all you do is end up stigmatizing the actual meaning and also muddying the waters, which makes it difficult for people to identify what is actually happening in their situation. people are often horrified to find out what intrusive thoughts actually are and their partial connection to mental illnesses like OCD. my friends, social media is NOT a completely reliable source. please stop taking everything you see at face value, unless you're able to discern that the source you're looking at is actually educational and not just a bunch of teenagers using words and phrases wrong because they don't know better. same with the phrase trauma bond, that one is taken y'all! please find another phrase to describe bonding with others over similar personal trauma. trauma bond already has a meaning, and that is to describe the complex attachment between a victim and their abuser.
Jen, I know you’ve gotten some criticism from people about not interrupting Gabriel enough, but it’s clear you’re so invested in what he’s saying. I’m quite invested in what he’s saying too, so I’m not bothered at all by the style of this video.
@@rebachick94 agreed! Sometimes the best interviews are the ones where you can let your guest talk freely. Not saying this is the case with Gabby, but with people that tend to want to manipulate the truth, sometimes it's better when you let them talk themselves into a hole.
@ gabby just never stops talking so it’s hard to interrupt him without seeming rude. I don’t know that I even would have noticed if Jen hadn’t pointed it out.
I really really love these types of interviews where the interviewer let's the guest talk. I feel like I can actually listen and really hear what's being said, can't stand the people that interrupt mid sentence and the guest changes subjects or goes back over and over. Just me 😊😊
After watching this series, I have so much respect for Gabriel. I experienced both Dramageddons as they were unfolding (and I don’t even really like drama). The fact that Gabby has kept silence on so many details and is only sharing his side of the story now is incredibly telling. Thank you for all your hard work, Jen! I think these recent videos are going to shift the landscape for beauty journalism on RUclips. ❤
It is interesting to me to see folks respond so negatively to Gabriel "doubling down" on wanting Nikita to acknowledge that his "crazy" comment was referring to a different moment in time than Nikita had realized. While I think Gabriel may come across as terse about this in this chat, the point that I believe he is trying to make is that Nikita needs to understand that his *intention* was different from her *interpretation* of that situation, and I do believe that *is* important in trying to have a clear discussion with someone when feelings are hurt.
I think it's understandable for her to be upset that she felt he was making light of her situation but tbh he could have said a hell of a lot worse. It's clear that she is too selfish to admit that having an embarrassing public breakdown doesnt make it excuseable that she was actually treating people around her like scum the entire time and still does. Pretty sad, she lives in a dream world and is getting worse not better imo
Agreed. He apologized that he understands why she interpreted it that way. But if you don’t acknowledge that & think that he’s still lying, why continue the conversation?
Idk it gives me "I'm sorry you feel that way" vibes. Like "I called you something horrible, but I didn't mean it that way. So if you're offended and you don't accept that I didn't mean it that way, then I'm not sorry"
Ngl, if I were Nikita I wouldn't have acknowledged that he was referring to the 2019 situation either. If we both agree that this is a misunderstanding on your end and you don't apologize, why would I acknowledge a past situation we already buried the hatchet on? That felt kinda petty. I'm with him on everything else though.
I think he didn't want to apologize for things he didn't do. She thought he was making fun of her mental breakdown, but he was saying she "went crazy on them" (as a slang) refering to what happened years before. He didn't make fun of her and her illness, and he wanted her to acknowledge that she understands that. He did apologize for using the word crazy as a slang because it's insensitive to the situation.
Unfortunately, this comes as unauthentic to me. Calling someone crazy and refusing to apologize because "no I didn't mean crazy this time, I meant that other time you were crazy" is absolutely wild to me. He might have convinced himself, but this doesn't convince me.
I completely agree. If you hurt someone unintentionally, you apologize. Explain your meaning behind it, but still apologize. Apologies shouldn’t come with stipulations, it minimizes the apology and makes it empty.
Playing devils advocate here…while I do feel Gabriel is being authentic and genuine in his caring for Nikita, I have to feel for Nikita a bit. In the moment of confrontation some people can get defensive and not stand back and really listen to what people are saying to them. I think when Gabriel tried to explain situations Nikita shut it off and went straight into defense mode. It’s understandable especially when friends are dropping like flies. She was vulnerable and hurt but didn’t want to look like she was the one who made the mistakes. Does that make sense?? In time she will figure it out and it’s great that Gabriel is backing away and allowing her to be on her own time and experiences. I do think one day she’ll open her eyes and realize who was there from the get go for her.
Parts one and two were so fun. But in this part you can tell that while Gabby is presenting like he's acting rationally, his fight with Nikita is clearly based on his emotions. She's upset because he called her crazy; his defense is that he was referring to the *other* time she was acting crazy. Regardless of which situation he was referring to, he still referred to his friend who was struggling with her mental health crazy and it hurt her. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge that you hurt a person regardless of the minutiae of the context
YESSSS @muh-rang !!!!! This is what I was trying to say in my post!! I find that he will focus on a tiny portion of a situation that doesnt really matter in an effort to win it as a whole. Same thing with Tati...she says "he called me out on the dance floor" and he says he never said those words, therefore she must be a liar. Reality is he chose to bring her up in a vid at which point so many people tagged her ....that she would have certainty felt that way, even tho he never said those EXACT words! He focuses on the fact that those words never came out of his mouth instead of saying "yeh, I stuck my nose in perhaps where it didnt belong and I can see why you felt that way as a result". Or that she never warned JC with him in kitchen...who cares if he was there...maybe he wasnt, that part of it doesnt matter.... point is, multiple people were warning him, including her. Im SO happy you saw through this too!
Gabriel, thank you for sharing, you didnt need to. My partner went to something similar with his best friend and it made me emotional because its like i was hearing my partner express the same hurt he felt a out their loss of a friendship. Specially at a family member. I wish you nothing but the best and continue to heal. ❤
I hope Gabriel gets to have a moment of clarity that “gaslighting” is when someone says they apologize that something they said was misunderstood without actually apologizing for being directly responsible for hurting someone. That is not an apology. All of the qualifiers diminish sincerity and presents as performative. I’m sad for him that he thought this long, self-indulgent, verbose narrative made him look like someone who cared and has empathy.
Agree a 💯 and I can’t stand Nikita one bit ( especially after I found out she and her entire family love 🍊 😛) Gabriel is so not genuine and his word salads are annoying .
Okay so if I got mad at you for this comment being directed at me and demanded you apologize for saying it, you would just pretend you felt bad for something you clearly didnt intend just to keep the peace? Thats not sincere either.
The only thing I disagree with is how adamant Gabriel was about Nikita's misunderstanding of calling her crazy. It's taken me a long time to realize that if I hurt someone, it's irrelevant what my intentions were. Maybe at a later date a discussion can be had about what was meant about the word crazy. I can also see how hurt Gabriel is over their friendship and being one of few people who genuinely cared.
Nah, he should have apologised for calling her crazy. It was very disingenuous of him trying to mince words and arguing "I was not referring to your mental breakdown" really? WHEN he made that statement he KNEW she was suffering from dipolar disorder (and probably had been suffering for years, even in 2019), and he still called her crazy. HE MEANT THAT, plain and simple. I am Absolutely Not a Nikita fan by the way but after seeing every part of this interview I can say that I would not trust him as a commentator on the Internet.
4:36 maybe she needed to reflect internally if her day-one friends were all slowly pulling away. Especially if they didn't care about the fame and clout. But Im sure Nikita thought they were JEALOUS of Her success and didn't even consider it was her attitude that turned them off.
There is just certain words we do not use for certain communities due to the historical context. Even if one does not mean in a certain way, it isn’t good to use those words. Since it has the possibility of furthering stigma. We are all learning what those words.
Narcissism affects a huge population of the planet, take accountability, be empathetic, look in the mirror accept your flaws, end legal narcissistic abuse!
Honestly I don’t think it’s gaslighting or disingenuous because of the context. When she said “we stopped hanging out like this…” he was back to that time and giving the reason why at that time it came to an end. She saw a clip and made an assumption and didn’t hear him for whatever reason of her own and that’s okay but he tried to explain it and that’s valid to me. It’s the reason we even have “timelines” in the first place with these drama moments. The timing matters.
True apologies do not involve "references", they do not involve buts. It doesn't matter what time in Nikita's life you were addressing (as to calling her "crazy"). You called her crazy. She's allowed to feel hurt about that. It sounds manipulative because it is. To that end, it's better for her to not surround herself with ppl like that.
the way he speaks and how level headed he is, you can tell Gabby is a good friend and so mature! some of his insight and the way he acknowledges he was wrong in some situations is something to admire. inspires me to be better
I am really enjoying watching Gabriel tell his side of the story. It’s really refreshing to see him being honest about things that don’t necessarily make him look good, but he can acknowledge his actions and move on. I’m sad that next week will be the last installment cause I could definitely use about 10 more 😂
Hmm I feel like I liked Gabriel more when I didn’t know him. There is something disingenuous about him can’t put my finger on it. But by the same token I feel like a lot Gabriel’s words and how he articulates it goes right above Nikita’s head 🤣 Gabriel will do really well in politics
Gabriel is so mature and emotionally intelligent, I can tell he’s worked hard on himself and I appreciate his honesty. He made a mistake with what he said but he wasn’t referencing her episode, he should have apologized but it’s hard when someone already has their mind made up.
My goodness, this video totally hit me in the feels. Gabriel was the only one of that group that hit hard on the drama side cause i relate so much to him. Even this last part i relate so much. I too went through a friendship break up that totally mirrors his, obviously minus the fame but still super painful.
I really like Gaby's mentality. He's very grounded and I really enjoy when he talks about serious stuff and when he's goofy. Thank you both for this series
This really made me open my eyes to the new info and see that the ‘supporting cast’ of DG 1&2 really took the blunt of things. I haven’t ’liked’ Gabriel because of the drama, but this totally makes me see him and the situation in another light. Really loving this new content!
Its ironic that Gabbi was mothering Nikita in the SAME way Tati was mothering James and faced THE SAME EXACT pain when she wouldn't post with him but continues to say that Tati was mad over vitamins. Its odd to see yet another beauty guru relationship revealed as another odd parasocial motherhood "u owe me situation". Is that friendship? Maybe im wrong.
i love this serious and i never realized how much of a gabriel zamora stan i was until he came out with all of this. i didn’t know who to believe or trust in 2016 and on until this interview. i wish he still posted bc i would be the first viewer. ❤
Jen, I have been loving your deep dives so much. I love how much honestly comes out and you are an amazing interviewer. Also, I’ve never really watched Gabriel before or none much about him, but after this video I really love his soul and how he carries himself. Such a kind soul!
This interview was amazing, all the videos, I cried, I laughed, in some didn’t agree with Gabriel, but that’s ok, in other I understood, and Jen gave such a safe feeling, love it 🫶
I get what he is saying about Nikita BUT he could have said I am sorry that what I said hurt you, you know I would never do that. Can you acknowledge that i wasn't talking about the time you thought I was? Do you believe me when I tell you that?" I wish he would have given her that. She may have been looking at it like I just need my Gabby to acknowledge he hurt me and apologize you know.
What a fantastic set of videos with Gabby. Jen these are my favorite videos you've ever done. Not because of Dramageddon, but just the way you two are chatting and being open. Awesome videos.
I hope you get to do more interviews Jen! I really like how you give people the space to talk and not try to create a specific narrative for them. As a viewer, I'm capable of making my own opinions about the narrative he's presenting
girl....wait. waiwaiwait. no. that's not how apologies work. LOL more importantly, intent doesn't cancel out impact. the specificity of the reference isn't relevant. how you made her (or anyone you claim to care about) feel, the message sent, the impact your words had - that's what matters. nahhh. c'mon now. LOL i was ridin' up til that point. we can't say we'll take accountability but only on our terms. LOL that's not how friendship//community//accountability works. this is a prime example why i've taken words out of my personal lexicon (incl. crazy, lame, insane, etc.); i know language matters + certain words × phrases can hurt - not just individual's feelings but harm entire communities by contributing to stigma, etc. editing my lexicon is free + totally worth it if it means fewer people are harmed. but thas just me. cause i very much live by the words of Ms. Angelica Ross! 👇🏾 _"the admission price for community is accountability; you can't claim membership to a community you refuse to be accountable to." -Angelica Ross_ even if it's just a community of two..... or three. LOL based on what i've seen + heard so far via this interview, i F|W Gabriel. heavy! i'm hoping this is just a lil blindspot. 😬 we all have em evey
Ok, I feel like I need to say something over the 'Nikita is crazy' part. I can empathise with Gabriel in this aspect when talking to Nikita, referring to an earlier situation but she interpreted as her mh breakdown as something similar happened to me. A friend of mine and I were discussing something (I don't remember what, too long ago) when I made a comment about something in relation to a prior situation that was similar to her current one. Unfortunately, my friend mistook it that I meant her current one. I tried to explain what I meant but she was having none of it. Refused to talk to me. I kept saying I'm sorry but she stopped talking to me. I regret and am sorry for what i did but its too late now. So I understand both Gabriel and Nikita in that context. However! I do think he should have reached out and tried to fully apologize and explain what he meant because it didn't really sound like he didn't.
I have a huge respect for Gabriel, I see him talking about Nikita, and despite everything how much respect he has, sincerely loves her. I am like Gabriel with my very close friends, incredibly loyal, I don't care about the glory of fame, money, if you are sincerely my friend I will be there. I can so understand how much it hurts to feel betrayed, sad, disappointed, but love this person so much that despite everything I want them to be happy. Very good job Jen 💛
I actually really enjoy Gabriel. It does though feel like his general consensus is that everyone but him is the problem. I don’t see much dialogue about things he could have done better along the way nor do I for a single second think that he doesn’t love the fame and money.
While I really didn't like how the last episode of this interview was, this side of him and him hurting from a friendship does show me another side of him. This side I like more.
IDK... I just sense some jealousy from Gabriel. His "crazy" comment was messy but he isn't acknowledging how his comment could've been hurtful for Nikkita.
After watching this interview with Gabriel I have a completely different outlook and opinion! I hope you do more of these Jen, you’re really amazing at interviewing without bias! Everything online that people post aren’t really true! You can tell Gabriel grieved the friendship! If you can take everything off the table that Gabriel has done in the past and what Nakita has done in the past…I can absolutely understand and relate to what he’s saying in this interview with you! Maybe it’s because I was in a long relationship with someone who has Bipolar one disorder among other mental health diagnoses? I can see his perspective on a human level. It can be really confusing and really difficult to talk to someone who is dealing with a mental health disorder, a new diagnosis, who is in the spotlight and is surrounded by “Yes People” if it’s family, friends, fans or your team. The word “she’s acting crazy” was taken out of context and I see that now! He meant in her world of going out to bars, not wearing masks during Covid, not staying home, not doing what everyone else was doing and mandated to do! He meant that she was going “crazy” on everyone around her. In 2019! Nakita wasn’t nice to her friends or her fans! I saw all the clips of her being so mean and irrational to people! Now it makes sense! It doesn’t excuse her behavior but wow a lot more context with someone who has been in her life for many years and was her best friend! The videos she would post about her brand and trashing her fan base. It’s really sad but someone can only take so much! I love that he takes accountability for his words but also standing his ground that he wasn’t referencing what happened in Miami! Nakita had so many great moments after 2019 and after!! I feel bad that I cut Gabriel off without more context and listened to what the internet was saying about Gabriel! ’I’m feeling like I’m in a friendship with this person but I feel alone in it” or not understanding how your in a relationship or marriage and you feel alone, I never understood that fully until it happened to me. I can relate to that so much! Take Gabriel, Nikita and everyone out of the picture…on a human level I felt that completely. It can be a relationship you’re in or a friendship your in. I think we’ve all felt that. We all process things differently and that’s okay. She was his chosen family and to be hurt so bad that has to hurt so badly. I’m happy he’s been able to move on but you can clearly see he’s still hurting! They are both very different people but had a bond and love for her like his own family.
Unpopular opinion; he still always the one stirring the pot(even years later), deflecting, and manipulating the interpretation on things. He has no respect for no one, and keeping %100 just talking shit. Such a toxic person after all, I don’t know why he can’t move on, I guess he needs this kind of attention. I clicked on this video in hopes he has changed his ways, my bad.
hes the one who chooses nikita dragun of all people and then acts like he's the innocent victim of someone like tati (who's never done drama or anything controversial before she fell in with that lot)
Nikita isn't the only one who could have thought that his comment was not funny. Even if he is owning up to it, it would have been better if he had not said it at all. (and look at the way he says to the camera with big smiles)...thank you for sharing something that I picked up on as well
I don't know, but I feel like you shouldn't expect anything in return when apologizing to someone. If you truly feel sorry, you should say it. She has no obligation to believe you, accept your apology, or forgive you. If you go into an apology looking for that, you aren't sorry.
Wow, people are buying this hey. He picks on words...on details that do not matter. An apology with a BUT, is no apology. And you can be about truth without being disrespectful to people. Im not buying what he is selling.
I was with him until they played the clip. I never saw it. He said she went crazy and laughed. IN THE VIDEO. To not take accountability in that moment and try to gaslight her when she’s going thru a tough time. Hes making it about him and tryna capitalize off of her pain.
Not gonna lie i didn't have a very good impression of Gabriel until this video and now I think he seems like a down ass friend and very mature! I'll admit I may have judged him all wrong. Which I shouldn't have done anyway.
I've been loving this series. Jen 😊 Great job! Not many people like Gabriel. I've noticed since I posted on your last video, but I think he's pretty honest 😂 And you can tell that he loves his friends 😁
Am I the only one who is disgusted by this? Imagine having had a true friendship fall out and then go ONLINE and talk about all the dirt? I could never. Absolutely disgusting. I cannot comprehend how he has a following.
Hmmm? This is about someone who is truly mentally ill. I don’t know anything about bipolar disorder, but I don’t think Gabriel gets it. I’m not giving Gabriel props like everyone else.
point being , you know she just had a breakdown, and you were on good terms and knew what was going on , and checking on her , and you called her crazy. so regardless of your reason behind it, no one, even the people on the live took that statement referring to 2019. you already moved passed that, so you felt entitled and didn’t want to be wrong ?
I love Gabby to death but i am having a hard time with the whole video cause the problems they both had were not super public so idk it should be a topic of discussion. But then again i have my personal cultural bias so idk 28:59 the bretman problem. 1 nikita shouldve known not to disrespect his sister 2 but also this was all bretmans fault. He goes so hard on his sister publicly and people start to follow suit I dont like the dynamic he has with his sister.but i know its just my opinion
*LISTEN* ......it's all good and fine but in *NO WAY* do I buy the whole "I was referring to 2019". You were calling her crazy......just admit it. *NO ONE* is buying that you were not calling her crazy. I have a friend like Nikita.....we call her crazy all the time....because she's *CRAZY* but trying to act like you weren't *IS CRAZY* and then it just calls into question everything else you say.
I absolutely love where the channel is going Jen. While I still love makeup, not excited with it anymore. Would love a Tati deep dive next. I used to worship her until she became friends with JS and it was downhill after that.
Yess pleasee that would be wonderful Jen! Who’s JS? Im thinking well its not Jaclyn Hill, not James Charles…..but I love Tati no matter what still but love love watching deep dives on influencers
@@missgreece91 JS is Jeffree Star! :)
@ ohh yesss i totally forgot about Jeffree Star. He mainly posts when he has a new launch don’t you think? 😒
100% this!!!! Do it do it!!!!!! I unsubscribed from all things Tati. I tried after her comeback but QVC Tati completely lost me.
@@missgreece91Jeffree Star is super consistent on tik tok and posts reviews daily he’s just done with RUclips for the most part
Friendship breakups really, really suck. Losing those types of friends who feel like soulmates is painful.
People need to stop throwing the words gaslighting and narcissistic around. Invalidation is not the same thing as gaslighting and being selfish or self-centered is not the same thing as being a narcissist.
Sincerely,
A Clinical Psychologist
FR!! They’re buzzwords ppl use so loosely
People on social media constantly misuse these terms. Why people can no longer use terms like selfish, self-absorbed, and arrogant is odd.
@@reneerevolinski4822yep. especially related to psychology or psychology adjacent things. like how hardly anyone actually knows what intrusive thoughts are and instead use the term to describe impulsive thoughts, which are an entirely different thing.
@@AliceBunny05 Yes! I have *actual* intrusive thoughts and the "someone let their intrusive thoughts win" meme when someone is just acting on an at most frustrating impulse is so annoying. Like I wish smacking a pie was the worst of what was going through my head, I really do.
@@osteophagus it's dangerous to throw around phrases and words like this and water them down too much, because all you do is end up stigmatizing the actual meaning and also muddying the waters, which makes it difficult for people to identify what is actually happening in their situation. people are often horrified to find out what intrusive thoughts actually are and their partial connection to mental illnesses like OCD. my friends, social media is NOT a completely reliable source. please stop taking everything you see at face value, unless you're able to discern that the source you're looking at is actually educational and not just a bunch of teenagers using words and phrases wrong because they don't know better. same with the phrase trauma bond, that one is taken y'all! please find another phrase to describe bonding with others over similar personal trauma. trauma bond already has a meaning, and that is to describe the complex attachment between a victim and their abuser.
Jen must do more interviews... She's really good at it! She ask good questions, let the guest talk! This is amazing ❤❤
Jen, I know you’ve gotten some criticism from people about not interrupting Gabriel enough, but it’s clear you’re so invested in what he’s saying. I’m quite invested in what he’s saying too, so I’m not bothered at all by the style of this video.
@@rebachick94 agreed! Sometimes the best interviews are the ones where you can let your guest talk freely. Not saying this is the case with Gabby, but with people that tend to want to manipulate the truth, sometimes it's better when you let them talk themselves into a hole.
@ gabby just never stops talking so it’s hard to interrupt him without seeming rude. I don’t know that I even would have noticed if Jen hadn’t pointed it out.
I really really love these types of interviews where the interviewer let's the guest talk. I feel like I can actually listen and really hear what's being said, can't stand the people that interrupt mid sentence and the guest changes subjects or goes back over and over. Just me 😊😊
I will say he's a lot more mature than I realized over the years
He seems like a good loyal friend!
I didn’t really know much about Gabriel Zamora but I really like him. He seems really honest during your interview. Thanks, Jen🎉
8:18 that’s actually pretty decent of him not to make it a thing in public but still having a conversation later
After watching this series, I have so much respect for Gabriel. I experienced both Dramageddons as they were unfolding (and I don’t even really like drama). The fact that Gabby has kept silence on so many details and is only sharing his side of the story now is incredibly telling. Thank you for all your hard work, Jen! I think these recent videos are going to shift the landscape for beauty journalism on RUclips. ❤
Yes, I didn't know that much about him, but he has a good head on his shoulders
Same
It is interesting to me to see folks respond so negatively to Gabriel "doubling down" on wanting Nikita to acknowledge that his "crazy" comment was referring to a different moment in time than Nikita had realized. While I think Gabriel may come across as terse about this in this chat, the point that I believe he is trying to make is that Nikita needs to understand that his *intention* was different from her *interpretation* of that situation, and I do believe that *is* important in trying to have a clear discussion with someone when feelings are hurt.
I think it's understandable for her to be upset that she felt he was making light of her situation but tbh he could have said a hell of a lot worse. It's clear that she is too selfish to admit that having an embarrassing public breakdown doesnt make it excuseable that she was actually treating people around her like scum the entire time and still does. Pretty sad, she lives in a dream world and is getting worse not better imo
Agreed. He apologized that he understands why she interpreted it that way. But if you don’t acknowledge that & think that he’s still lying, why continue the conversation?
Idk it gives me "I'm sorry you feel that way" vibes. Like "I called you something horrible, but I didn't mean it that way. So if you're offended and you don't accept that I didn't mean it that way, then I'm not sorry"
@@QueenKoopa This. He messed up here and instead of just apologizing and letting it go, he doubled down to rationalize a crappy choice of words.
This should be called “Jen talks” or “Jen talks about”. It would be a great title card.
Ngl, if I were Nikita I wouldn't have acknowledged that he was referring to the 2019 situation either. If we both agree that this is a misunderstanding on your end and you don't apologize, why would I acknowledge a past situation we already buried the hatchet on? That felt kinda petty. I'm with him on everything else though.
I think he didn't want to apologize for things he didn't do. She thought he was making fun of her mental breakdown, but he was saying she "went crazy on them" (as a slang) refering to what happened years before. He didn't make fun of her and her illness, and he wanted her to acknowledge that she understands that. He did apologize for using the word crazy as a slang because it's insensitive to the situation.
Unfortunately, this comes as unauthentic to me. Calling someone crazy and refusing to apologize because "no I didn't mean crazy this time, I meant that other time you were crazy" is absolutely wild to me. He might have convinced himself, but this doesn't convince me.
Yes, absolutely.
it was like I was in a novela all of a sudden :0 (Spanish soap opera)
Yeah it was weird how he kept doubling down on that. It was such a needless demerit to his maturity and credibility.
I completely agree. If you hurt someone unintentionally, you apologize. Explain your meaning behind it, but still apologize. Apologies shouldn’t come with stipulations, it minimizes the apology and makes it empty.
I totally agree!!!
Playing devils advocate here…while I do feel Gabriel is being authentic and genuine in his caring for Nikita, I have to feel for Nikita a bit. In the moment of confrontation some people can get defensive and not stand back and really listen to what people are saying to them. I think when Gabriel tried to explain situations Nikita shut it off and went straight into defense mode. It’s understandable especially when friends are dropping like flies. She was vulnerable and hurt but didn’t want to look like she was the one who made the mistakes. Does that make sense?? In time she will figure it out and it’s great that Gabriel is backing away and allowing her to be on her own time and experiences. I do think one day she’ll open her eyes and realize who was there from the get go for her.
Parts one and two were so fun. But in this part you can tell that while Gabby is presenting like he's acting rationally, his fight with Nikita is clearly based on his emotions. She's upset because he called her crazy; his defense is that he was referring to the *other* time she was acting crazy. Regardless of which situation he was referring to, he still referred to his friend who was struggling with her mental health crazy and it hurt her. Sometimes you just have to acknowledge that you hurt a person regardless of the minutiae of the context
YESSSS @muh-rang !!!!! This is what I was trying to say in my post!! I find that he will focus on a tiny portion of a situation that doesnt really matter in an effort to win it as a whole. Same thing with Tati...she says "he called me out on the dance floor" and he says he never said those words, therefore she must be a liar. Reality is he chose to bring her up in a vid at which point so many people tagged her ....that she would have certainty felt that way, even tho he never said those EXACT words! He focuses on the fact that those words never came out of his mouth instead of saying "yeh, I stuck my nose in perhaps where it didnt belong and I can see why you felt that way as a result". Or that she never warned JC with him in kitchen...who cares if he was there...maybe he wasnt, that part of it doesnt matter.... point is, multiple people were warning him, including her. Im SO happy you saw through this too!
Gabriel, thank you for sharing, you didnt need to. My partner went to something similar with his best friend and it made me emotional because its like i was hearing my partner express the same hurt he felt a out their loss of a friendship. Specially at a family member. I wish you nothing but the best and continue to heal. ❤
Gabriel is so good at saying "I take accountability" whilst manipulating everything he says so he's not actually taking accountability
The entire time I kept thinking "this is HIS version of what happened...
I hope Gabriel gets to have a moment of clarity that “gaslighting” is when someone says they apologize that something they said was misunderstood without actually apologizing for being directly responsible for hurting someone. That is not an apology. All of the qualifiers diminish sincerity and presents as performative. I’m sad for him that he thought this long, self-indulgent, verbose narrative made him look like someone who cared and has empathy.
It's like I'm sorry you feel that way . Like what do mean ....
Agree a 💯 and I can’t stand Nikita one bit ( especially after I found out she and her entire family love 🍊 😛) Gabriel is so not genuine and his word salads are annoying .
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Okay so if I got mad at you for this comment being directed at me and demanded you apologize for saying it, you would just pretend you felt bad for something you clearly didnt intend just to keep the peace? Thats not sincere either.
The only thing I disagree with is how adamant Gabriel was about Nikita's misunderstanding of calling her crazy. It's taken me a long time to realize that if I hurt someone, it's irrelevant what my intentions were. Maybe at a later date a discussion can be had about what was meant about the word crazy. I can also see how hurt Gabriel is over their friendship and being one of few people who genuinely cared.
Nah, he should have apologised for calling her crazy. It was very disingenuous of him trying to mince words and arguing "I was not referring to your mental breakdown" really? WHEN he made that statement he KNEW she was suffering from dipolar disorder (and probably had been suffering for years, even in 2019), and he still called her crazy. HE MEANT THAT, plain and simple.
I am Absolutely Not a Nikita fan by the way but after seeing every part of this interview I can say that I would not trust him as a commentator on the Internet.
4:36 maybe she needed to reflect internally if her day-one friends were all slowly pulling away. Especially if they didn't care about the fame and clout. But Im sure Nikita thought they were JEALOUS of Her success and didn't even consider it was her attitude that turned them off.
She'd be quick to call them clout chasers. Typical narcissist rationale, everyone else is the problem.
I clicked so fast!!! This whole series has me in its grips.
There is just certain words we do not use for certain communities due to the historical context. Even if one does not mean in a certain way, it isn’t good to use those words. Since it has the possibility of furthering stigma. We are all learning what those words.
Narcissism affects a huge population of the planet, take accountability, be empathetic, look in the mirror accept your flaws, end legal narcissistic abuse!
Honestly I don’t think it’s gaslighting or disingenuous because of the context. When she said “we stopped hanging out like this…” he was back to that time and giving the reason why at that time it came to an end. She saw a clip and made an assumption and didn’t hear him for whatever reason of her own and that’s okay but he tried to explain it and that’s valid to me. It’s the reason we even have “timelines” in the first place with these drama moments. The timing matters.
This series has been done so well. I never was into Gabriel, but this has made me see him completely differently. Great job Jen. ❤
Mad love to you Jen! Please keep this type of content going!
True apologies do not involve "references", they do not involve buts. It doesn't matter what time in Nikita's life you were addressing (as to calling her "crazy"). You called her crazy. She's allowed to feel hurt about that. It sounds manipulative because it is. To that end, it's better for her to not surround herself with ppl like that.
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the way he speaks and how level headed he is, you can tell Gabby is a good friend and so mature! some of his insight and the way he acknowledges he was wrong in some situations is something to admire. inspires me to be better
I am really enjoying watching Gabriel tell his side of the story. It’s really refreshing to see him being honest about things that don’t necessarily make him look good, but he can acknowledge his actions and move on. I’m sad that next week will be the last installment cause I could definitely use about 10 more 😂
Hmm I feel like I liked Gabriel more when I didn’t know him. There is something disingenuous about him can’t put my finger on it. But by the same token I feel like a lot Gabriel’s words and how he articulates it goes right above Nikita’s head 🤣
Gabriel will do really well in politics
Gabriel is so mature and emotionally intelligent, I can tell he’s worked hard on himself and I appreciate his honesty. He made a mistake with what he said but he wasn’t referencing her episode, he should have apologized but it’s hard when someone already has their mind made up.
My goodness, this video totally hit me in the feels. Gabriel was the only one of that group that hit hard on the drama side cause i relate so much to him. Even this last part i relate so much. I too went through a friendship break up that totally mirrors his, obviously minus the fame but still super painful.
I really like Gaby's mentality. He's very grounded and I really enjoy when he talks about serious stuff and when he's goofy. Thank you both for this series
This really made me open my eyes to the new info and see that the ‘supporting cast’ of DG 1&2 really took the blunt of things. I haven’t ’liked’ Gabriel because of the drama, but this totally makes me see him and the situation in another light. Really loving this new content!
Ugh this was such a good part. Really raw & you could really see how much they both cared for each other!
I’m really enjoying the “behind the scenes” interviews. ❤
The way this video just made my whole day!! thank you for all your hard work on this series Jen! It's been such a fascinating interview!
He wishes the worst for Tati? Yikes! What does that say about Gabriel?
Its ironic that Gabbi was mothering Nikita in the SAME way Tati was mothering James and faced THE SAME EXACT pain when she wouldn't post with him but continues to say that Tati was mad over vitamins. Its odd to see yet another beauty guru relationship revealed as another odd parasocial motherhood "u owe me situation". Is that friendship? Maybe im wrong.
i love this serious and i never realized how much of a gabriel zamora stan i was until he came out with all of this. i didn’t know who to believe or trust in 2016 and on until this interview. i wish he still posted bc i would be the first viewer. ❤
Fascinating and very insightful. Good work Jen!! Would like to see stuff like this
I'm loving this series/interview sooooooo much!
Thank you!!!!!!!!! I love having new videos by my fave RUclipsrs coming out on off days when I’m stuffing my face
Losing a best friend is harder than a partner tbh. I’ve been backstabbed and it hurts bad
Jen, I have been loving your deep dives so much. I love how much honestly comes out and you are an amazing interviewer.
Also, I’ve never really watched Gabriel before or none much about him, but after this video I really love his soul and how he carries himself. Such a kind soul!
Gabriel. Please.
Just stop saying crazy.
Period. ❤
This interview was amazing, all the videos, I cried, I laughed, in some didn’t agree with Gabriel, but that’s ok, in other I understood, and Jen gave such a safe feeling, love it 🫶
I get what he is saying about Nikita BUT he could have said I am sorry that what I said hurt you, you know I would never do that. Can you acknowledge that i wasn't talking about the time you thought I was? Do you believe me when I tell you that?" I wish he would have given her that. She may have been looking at it like I just need my Gabby to acknowledge he hurt me and apologize you know.
What a fantastic set of videos with Gabby. Jen these are my favorite videos you've ever done. Not because of Dramageddon, but just the way you two are chatting and being open. Awesome videos.
I hope you get to do more interviews Jen! I really like how you give people the space to talk and not try to create a specific narrative for them. As a viewer, I'm capable of making my own opinions about the narrative he's presenting
girl....wait.
waiwaiwait. no. that's not how apologies work. LOL more importantly, intent doesn't cancel out impact.
the specificity of the reference isn't relevant. how you made her (or anyone you claim to care about) feel, the message sent, the impact your words had - that's what matters.
nahhh. c'mon now. LOL i was ridin' up til that point.
we can't say we'll take accountability but only on our terms. LOL that's not how friendship//community//accountability works.
this is a prime example why i've taken words out of my personal lexicon (incl. crazy, lame, insane, etc.); i know language matters + certain words × phrases can hurt - not just individual's feelings but harm entire communities by contributing to stigma, etc.
editing my lexicon is free + totally worth it if it means fewer people are harmed. but thas just me. cause i very much live by the words of Ms. Angelica Ross! 👇🏾
_"the admission price for community is accountability; you can't claim membership to a community you refuse to be accountable to." -Angelica Ross_
even if it's just a community of two..... or three. LOL
based on what i've seen + heard so far via this interview, i F|W Gabriel. heavy!
i'm hoping this is just a lil blindspot. 😬 we all have em evey
Ooooh I love all the quotes and references you've made. I'm screenshotting this for my own reference. ❤
any apology that comes with a but or is conditioned is not an apology at all
Ok, I feel like I need to say something over the 'Nikita is crazy' part. I can empathise with Gabriel in this aspect when talking to Nikita, referring to an earlier situation but she interpreted as her mh breakdown as something similar happened to me.
A friend of mine and I were discussing something (I don't remember what, too long ago) when I made a comment about something in relation to a prior situation that was similar to her current one. Unfortunately, my friend mistook it that I meant her current one. I tried to explain what I meant but she was having none of it. Refused to talk to me. I kept saying I'm sorry but she stopped talking to me. I regret and am sorry for what i did but its too late now.
So I understand both Gabriel and Nikita in that context. However! I do think he should have reached out and tried to fully apologize and explain what he meant because it didn't really sound like he didn't.
Oh snap. I've never been so early to a video in my life! Sweet
Loved this interview!
I have a huge respect for Gabriel, I see him talking about Nikita, and despite everything how much respect he has, sincerely loves her. I am like Gabriel with my very close friends, incredibly loyal, I don't care about the glory of fame, money, if you are sincerely my friend I will be there. I can so understand how much it hurts to feel betrayed, sad, disappointed, but love this person so much that despite everything I want them to be happy. Very good job Jen 💛
What a cliffhanger!!! A good one ‘cause I was irritated it ended!! 😅❤
Hi Jen :) thanks for the content and wishing you and your family a safe and beautiful Black Friday :)
I absolutely love how you let Gabby speak more than 95%!!!
I’m not a Nikita fan whatsoever but Gabriel was wrong for that “crazy” comment and definitely made that about him
I can't wait for the final part you got me hooked! 🤣
I actually really enjoy Gabriel. It does though feel like his general consensus is that everyone but him is the problem. I don’t see much dialogue about things he could have done better along the way nor do I for a single second think that he doesn’t love the fame and money.
What a great birthday present, lol! 45 today, but truly I enjoy this series so much. I really like Gabby so much.
Happy Birthday, Melissa!
Idk but you and Gabriel Zamora have a good chemistry. I feel like you guys will be good at a podcast together.
i feel like gabriel loves hearing gabriel 😂
While I really didn't like how the last episode of this interview was, this side of him and him hurting from a friendship does show me another side of him. This side I like more.
I was waiting for this!
This series is amazing.
sitting and watching, as Gabriel does keep it real and honest. ready to see it
IDK... I just sense some jealousy from Gabriel. His "crazy" comment was messy but he isn't acknowledging how his comment could've been hurtful for Nikkita.
When he said "I wish the worst for Tati" ngl that made me cackle 😆
After watching this interview with Gabriel I have a completely different outlook and opinion!
I hope you do more of these Jen, you’re really amazing at interviewing without bias! Everything online that people post aren’t really true! You can tell Gabriel grieved the friendship!
If you can take everything off the table that Gabriel has done in the past and what Nakita has done in the past…I can absolutely understand and relate to what he’s saying in this interview with you!
Maybe it’s because I was in a long relationship with someone who has Bipolar one disorder among other mental health diagnoses? I can see his perspective on a human level.
It can be really confusing and really difficult to talk to someone who is dealing with a mental health disorder, a new diagnosis, who is in the spotlight and is surrounded by “Yes People” if it’s family, friends, fans or your team.
The word “she’s acting crazy” was taken out of context and I see that now! He meant in her world of going out to bars, not wearing masks during Covid, not staying home, not doing what everyone else was doing and mandated to do! He meant that she was going “crazy” on everyone around her. In 2019! Nakita wasn’t nice to her friends or her fans! I saw all the clips of her being so mean and irrational to people! Now it makes sense! It doesn’t excuse her behavior but wow a lot more context with someone who has been in her life for many years and was her best friend! The videos she would post about her brand and trashing her fan base. It’s really sad but someone can only take so much!
I love that he takes accountability for his words but also standing his ground that he wasn’t referencing what happened in Miami!
Nakita had so many great moments after 2019 and after!!
I feel bad that I cut Gabriel off without more context and listened to what the internet was saying about Gabriel!
’I’m feeling like I’m in a friendship with this person but I feel alone in it” or not understanding how your in a relationship or marriage and you feel alone, I never understood that fully until it happened to me. I can relate to that so much! Take Gabriel, Nikita and everyone out of the picture…on a human level I felt that completely. It can be a relationship you’re in or a friendship your in. I think we’ve all felt that.
We all process things differently and that’s okay. She was his chosen family and to be hurt so bad that has to hurt so badly.
I’m happy he’s been able to move on but you can clearly see he’s still hurting!
They are both very different people but had a bond and love for her like his own family.
Unpopular opinion; he still always the one stirring the pot(even years later), deflecting, and manipulating the interpretation on things. He has no respect for no one, and keeping %100 just talking shit. Such a toxic person after all, I don’t know why he can’t move on, I guess he needs this kind of attention.
I clicked on this video in hopes he has changed his ways, my bad.
in part two of this i saw him in the comments trash talking someone for not having subs, like that is all in life that matters
@ daammmnn, wow.
hes the one who chooses nikita dragun of all people and then acts like he's the innocent victim of someone like tati (who's never done drama or anything controversial before she fell in with that lot)
His gaslighting during the “crazy” part was disgusting and I hope he realizes that
Nikita isn't the only one who could have thought that his comment was not funny. Even if he is owning up to it, it would have been better if he had not said it at all. (and look at the way he says to the camera with big smiles)...thank you for sharing something that I picked up on as well
Literally so insensitive, that’s not a real friend PERIOD.
I don't know, but I feel like you shouldn't expect anything in return when apologizing to someone. If you truly feel sorry, you should say it. She has no obligation to believe you, accept your apology, or forgive you. If you go into an apology looking for that, you aren't sorry.
I have loved these videos with Gabriel.
Wow, people are buying this hey. He picks on words...on details that do not matter. An apology with a BUT, is no apology. And you can be about truth without being disrespectful to people. Im not buying what he is selling.
I’m so excited for this
Loving this content Jen!!
Ahhh! I’m so early, and I love your videos! 🫶🏽💕💜
I was with him until they played the clip. I never saw it. He said she went crazy and laughed. IN THE VIDEO. To not take accountability in that moment and try to gaslight her when she’s going thru a tough time. Hes making it about him and tryna capitalize off of her pain.
I truly wish I had a friend/best friend like Gabriel .. truly ❤
Not gonna lie i didn't have a very good impression of Gabriel until this video and now I think he seems like a down ass friend and very mature! I'll admit I may have judged him all wrong. Which I shouldn't have done anyway.
I've been loving this series. Jen 😊 Great job! Not many people like Gabriel. I've noticed since I posted on your last video, but I think he's pretty honest 😂 And you can tell that he loves his friends 😁
This seems to be a bit of a mixed bag. I don't what to really say about it.
Gabriel seems like such a great friend.
I love this interview
Why is the video only in 480p? Is it because of the quality on Zoom?
It was an issue with the render. I thought it would be in 720p. I didn’t realize it was only in 480 until it was already live. :(
Am I the only one who is disgusted by this? Imagine having had a true friendship fall out and then go ONLINE and talk about all the dirt? I could never. Absolutely disgusting. I cannot comprehend how he has a following.
More interviews please!!! 💜💜💜
"I don't wanna be around it anymore cause it hurts" LOVE IS SO COMPLEX
Jen keep going babes
Great interviews. Gabriel comes off extremely genuine
I am personally not hearing it…
Praying that a friend like Gabriel NEVER finds me! 😅
Hmmm? This is about someone who is truly mentally ill. I don’t know anything about bipolar disorder, but I don’t think Gabriel gets it. I’m not giving Gabriel props like everyone else.
point being , you know she just had a breakdown, and you were on good terms and knew what was going on , and checking on her , and you called her crazy. so regardless of your reason behind it, no one, even the people on the live took that statement referring to 2019. you already moved passed that, so you felt entitled and didn’t want to be wrong ?
I love Gabby to death but i am having a hard time with the whole video cause the problems they both had were not super public so idk it should be a topic of discussion. But then again i have my personal cultural bias so idk
28:59 the bretman problem. 1 nikita shouldve known not to disrespect his sister
2 but also this was all bretmans fault. He goes so hard on his sister publicly and people start to follow suit
I dont like the dynamic he has with his sister.but i know its just my opinion
I would like to see Gabriel come back to RUclips x
*LISTEN* ......it's all good and fine but in *NO WAY* do I buy the whole "I was referring to 2019". You were calling her crazy......just admit it. *NO ONE* is buying that you were not calling her crazy. I have a friend like Nikita.....we call her crazy all the time....because she's *CRAZY* but trying to act like you weren't *IS CRAZY* and then it just calls into question everything else you say.
I like him more and more with each video. he is so smart.
Yes. Like he has seen some things and has grown so much.
Some people just can't handle the fame, money and forget too be grateful fore what they have.
It's the cecar syndrome.