Seems no one else but you uses examples! They describe "cry," etc., and offer exercises to get the feel of it, and that's fine, but they don't use examples to demonstrate why & where it's used. So ... thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for the encouraging comment. I find that often when teachers demonstrate 'cry,' they're actually teaching 'sob,' which is a bit different in both coordination and quality (i.e., it's produced with a lower larynx and is darker in quality). I have a separate video on sob quality.
I have always believed singing is crying. Take a page of grade 2 English text book, cry it out, that's a song. Take a page of grade 9 text book, cry it out, that's an aria.
I was using the technique on all notes and I could only sing for couple minutes! no one on the internet talks about how it can tire your voice in long run! thank you so much. you saved my voice❤
FINALLY I HAVE A NAME FOR IT!! Aaron Tveit does this a lot when he sings and I love it when he does it, and I was driving myself crazy because I never knew how to describe it!
I got into the habit of ending every phrase with this cry thing lol and now I have to teach myself to sing without it cus as you say in this video too much of it can be bad))
Overuse of this particular effect is actually one of the reasons why I didn't love Lea Michele's singing in the first couple seasons of Glee. Sometimes it's not even eliminating it from our artist's palettes that's necessary, but making it more subtle. That can help a lot.
Holy cow my ear has never picked up on this. I am hearing it in so many songs now that I know, and I'm just so shocked I didn't notice it before. Great video!
I would just like to say thank you very for the material you've been posting. I've started reading your blog a few months ago and I have to say it's helped me immensely in getting the grasp of the details of the technique bit by bit. I've restarted studying classical singing after some good five years and your insights are so important to me when it comes down to understanding what my teacher demands. I wish you all the best and, once again, thank you for helping people all over the world in finding their way into their real voice :)
Stylistically, I didn't like some of her singing on Glee early on, but I think she found her legitimate pop sound in later seasons. (It wasn't her voice, but what she did with it sometimes.) I absolutely fell in love with her voice when she sang On My Own at the Hollywood Bowl. I can honestly state that hers is my absolute favourite performance of that song ever... even above Carrie Hope Fletcher's, whose voice is the most perfectly stunning one that I've ever heard. But Lea Michele has some amazing technical skill, for sure.
woah! you added video clip examples!! I love it!! it's nice to hear actual examples in pop and operatic songs. I definitely will keep in mind what you said about overdoing it with any one singing quality! great visual with the 'English speaking puppy'. Lolol
I'm glad it was helpful, (although in viewing the edited video, I realized that I probably could have used fewer examples because that section was much longer than expected)!
singwisevocals hindsight is always 20/20. Lol I'm just happy you're adding new things (video example clips, humor, etc) to your videos to complement your wonderful teaching style!
Did you see my video comparing jaw and mouth opening between classical and CCM? I included several example clips in that video, too, and viewers responded favourably, so I thought it might be something to do from time to time when the topic merits it. In this case, I wanted to provide a lot of examples from different singers and genres to show that it's truly a legitimate effect that is widely used.
Thanks for the explanation and also the advice on not wearing out the novelty, that's pretty interesting and makes me think of why I like listening to singers like Serj Tankian, a very dynamic singer using lots of different tonalities to hold the listeners ear.
This is such a good video and really an amazing way to approximate the vocal chords in a balanced way. Thank you 🙏 👏 subscribed. I’m an opera singer and I’ve never heard the onset of sound described like this but this is exactly how we sing LOL
The difference between the cry and vocal twang is that the cry kind of lowers your legs for a second. I don't know why it would be compared to twang at all. I finally watched this video and the sob video. Thank you so much for posting these years ago! It took me a while to climb up to these videos, big because I took my time focussing on fundamental technique, which I'm very glad I did.
Those examples are so great! I'm going to be hearing it everywhere now. God help me. (lol) Thank you for making this! You have a great way of illuminating ideas, and I've found your videos (i.e., your hard work) very helpful. Thanks again and cheers!
Thank you. I also find my male singer have a harder time getting to the whimper and cry. Do you have any advice how to trigger the thinning of VF and thyroid cartridge tilt, if that is absolutely unfamiliar to the new singer?
Lovely video, i would love to add this color to my singing, as a baritone should i be using that same note that you showcased for that puppy exercise or should i do it at a lower note ? Thank you loads
That's great, I'm only recently getting consistent at it. Before I learn how to mix my voice, I was pretty good at cracking like that, but then I learned how to mix and I became a little too good at smoothing out the break to do this. Ha ha. It's been a long journey for me, but I'm coming around to being able to do this effect with my voice again. Being able to do both is going to be a blessing.
I have heard this in songs and it is usually the higher notes. My guitarist is always pushing me to this style, but I don't think I like it too much. Is it absolutely necessary to sound good?
It's so funny that you're posting this comment! I was actually going to record a Part 2 to this and the 'sob' quality videos yesterday, but ran out of time. So, I'm thinking of recording that video topic tomorrow. Stay tuned. (Any specific questions that you have about it?)
Thank you! I just saw this. I've been experimenting with it a little, but I don't really know how it's supposed to feel. Do you consciously slide up or do you start up there and come down very quick?
I kinda fell on this video by mistake because I can't google properly -_- super interesting though, I love those techniques that use physiology to support the singing What I wanted to find was a way to correct that thing I've noticed in my own singing, especially when I go on the higher side of my range, I tend (and by tend I mean It happens all the time now that I've noticed it) to sound like a dying whale or an old lady crying her eyes out... I think I might be doing something wrong, is it poor technique, something normal that just jarring because it's off-pitch or is it the result of muscles that are still too weak that will resolve itself through practice
Good question! Twang and cry are both created with the larynx in a higher position, and they both produce bright qualities with a feeling of "forwardness" in the resonance. Twang, can be produced with both thin and thick vocal folds, whereas cry - like the puppy dog whimper - usually stretches and thins the vocal folds more while simultaneously keeping them compressed. We'll often hear singers "crying into the note," especially on higher notes, to add a layer of emotion, and that quality may sometimes only be heard at the beginning of the phrase. Twang can be produced with or without cry, but cry tends to "connect" and "compress" like twang does functionally. I think of cry as infusing intense emotion - layering it on to a sound that may or may not be made with twang coordination. It's not just "bright" and "ping/ring-y"; it's emotional. But, in the end, they definitely have some similarities and can sound similar.
So this is what Thats called. I HATE IT when it’s over used!!! Like someone singers do it on every word and I don’t like it. Every now and then I think it’s really nice and interesting to listen to and lovely to sing. But when I hear it over and over and over ot bugs me!
![What if CRY vocal mode doesn't work? [Straining on high notes]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6WLB3NIQtPg/mqdefault.jpg)
Seems no one else but you uses examples! They describe "cry," etc., and offer exercises to get the feel of it, and that's fine, but they don't use examples to demonstrate why & where it's used. So ... thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for the encouraging comment. I find that often when teachers demonstrate 'cry,' they're actually teaching 'sob,' which is a bit different in both coordination and quality (i.e., it's produced with a lower larynx and is darker in quality). I have a separate video on sob quality.
I have always believed singing is crying. Take a page of grade 2 English text book, cry it out, that's a song. Take a page of grade 9 text book, cry it out, that's an aria.
I was using the technique on all notes and I could only sing for couple minutes! no one on the internet talks about how it can tire your voice in long run! thank you so much. you saved my voice❤
FINALLY I HAVE A NAME FOR IT!! Aaron Tveit does this a lot when he sings and I love it when he does it, and I was driving myself crazy because I never knew how to describe it!
All my life I've been using that while singing And I didn't know how to call it!!! Hahahaha
I got into the habit of ending every phrase with this cry thing lol and now I have to teach myself to sing without it cus as you say in this video too much of it can be bad))
Overuse of this particular effect is actually one of the reasons why I didn't love Lea Michele's singing in the first couple seasons of Glee. Sometimes it's not even eliminating it from our artist's palettes that's necessary, but making it more subtle. That can help a lot.
singwisevocals totally with u here
It’s so fun to sing with this technique
Holy cow my ear has never picked up on this. I am hearing it in so many songs now that I know, and I'm just so shocked I didn't notice it before. Great video!
Let’s be real. Half of us just came for Rachel Berry. 😂
But for real this was a really good video and actually helped. Thanks so much! Xx
Thank you. Loved the huge range of examples
I would just like to say thank you very for the material you've been posting. I've started reading your blog a few months ago and I have to say it's helped me immensely in getting the grasp of the details of the technique bit by bit. I've restarted studying classical singing after some good five years and your insights are so important to me when it comes down to understanding what my teacher demands. I wish you all the best and, once again, thank you for helping people all over the world in finding their way into their real voice :)
Thanks so much for the encouraging feedback! I'm glad to do what I can to help singers reach their singing goals.
OMG I've been wanting to ask you you're opinion and sorta diagnosis on Lea Michele! She is my all time favorite singer.
Stylistically, I didn't like some of her singing on Glee early on, but I think she found her legitimate pop sound in later seasons. (It wasn't her voice, but what she did with it sometimes.) I absolutely fell in love with her voice when she sang On My Own at the Hollywood Bowl. I can honestly state that hers is my absolute favourite performance of that song ever... even above Carrie Hope Fletcher's, whose voice is the most perfectly stunning one that I've ever heard. But Lea Michele has some amazing technical skill, for sure.
singwisevocals Thank you for your input, truly appreciated :)
You're welcome!
I was just telling myself this morning how I've grown to really like Lea Michele 's voice. ! Lmao !
Same here🥺
woah! you added video clip examples!!
I love it!! it's nice to hear actual examples in pop and operatic songs.
I definitely will keep in mind what you said about overdoing it with any one singing quality!
great visual with the 'English speaking puppy'. Lolol
I'm glad it was helpful, (although in viewing the edited video, I realized that I probably could have used fewer examples because that section was much longer than expected)!
singwisevocals hindsight is always 20/20. Lol
I'm just happy you're adding new things (video example clips, humor, etc) to your videos to complement your wonderful teaching style!
Did you see my video comparing jaw and mouth opening between classical and CCM? I included several example clips in that video, too, and viewers responded favourably, so I thought it might be something to do from time to time when the topic merits it. In this case, I wanted to provide a lot of examples from different singers and genres to show that it's truly a legitimate effect that is widely used.
singwisevocals I'll have to check it out!
Wonderful job as always Karyn!! I never thought of sob and cry as being distinct nuances so that was extremely helping and fascinating as well!!
I came here because I watch another coach's video that we should learn this cry stuff but he failed to explain well which you did. Thhank you.
Absolutely like this thank you
Thanks for the explanation and also the advice on not wearing out the novelty, that's pretty interesting and makes me think of why I like listening to singers like Serj Tankian, a very dynamic singer using lots of different tonalities to hold the listeners ear.
This is such a good video and really an amazing way to approximate the vocal chords in a balanced way. Thank you 🙏 👏 subscribed. I’m an opera singer and I’ve never heard the onset of sound described like this but this is exactly how we sing LOL
Brilliant! The video examples are really helpful. Thank you!
You're very welcome. I'm glad I could help.
Never heard anyone explain this pretty much exactly as I do! Bravo from Australia 🇦🇺 👏 😊
When i have break at E4 i always Cry :D
you have lit just done my whloe essay for uni!! thankyou LIFE SAVER!!!
The difference between the cry and vocal twang is that the cry kind of lowers your legs for a second. I don't know why it would be compared to twang at all. I finally watched this video and the sob video. Thank you so much for posting these years ago! It took me a while to climb up to these videos, big because I took my time focussing on fundamental technique, which I'm very glad I did.
Recognized Georghiu's voice instantly!
Thank you
Fantastic!
Thank u for letting me what is cry mode!
thank you, this helped me a lot, i am going to practice straight away!
Thanks for teaching how to sing high note
Those examples are so great! I'm going to be hearing it everywhere now. God help me. (lol) Thank you for making this! You have a great way of illuminating ideas, and I've found your videos (i.e., your hard work) very helpful. Thanks again and cheers!
Mariah also used this technique especially during 1994-1996.
Thank you. I also find my male singer have a harder time getting to the whimper and cry. Do you have any advice how to trigger the thinning of VF and thyroid cartridge tilt, if that is absolutely unfamiliar to the new singer?
Lovely video, i would love to add this color to my singing, as a baritone should i be using that same note that you showcased for that puppy exercise or should i do it at a lower note ? Thank you loads
Very helpful!
I can easily do vocal cracks/cry/break.
That's great, I'm only recently getting consistent at it. Before I learn how to mix my voice, I was pretty good at cracking like that, but then I learned how to mix and I became a little too good at smoothing out the break to do this. Ha ha. It's been a long journey for me, but I'm coming around to being able to do this effect with my voice again. Being able to do both is going to be a blessing.
Cool no one gaf
I have heard this in songs and it is usually the higher notes. My guitarist is always pushing me to this style, but I don't think I like it too much. Is it absolutely necessary to sound good?
Thank u❤
Singing in cry quality is also possible in Turkish style as well.
hey thanks allot..tht was really a good explanation on vocal cry.. would you please suggest for how long is it ok to practice this ?
Can you please go deeper into this? I've always been a quiet person and effects such as these can be pretty hard
It's so funny that you're posting this comment! I was actually going to record a Part 2 to this and the 'sob' quality videos yesterday, but ran out of time. So, I'm thinking of recording that video topic tomorrow. Stay tuned. (Any specific questions that you have about it?)
I just posted a video with Christopher David Mitchell. We talk about sob and cry, as well as mixed voice and belting. Maybe this might be helpful.
Thank you! I just saw this. I've been experimenting with it a little, but I don't really know how it's supposed to feel. Do you consciously slide up or do you start up there and come down very quick?
Well, I’m gonna drive my dogs crazy while I practice these puppy dog sounds hahahaa they’re looking at me like “what the heck” 😂
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I kinda fell on this video by mistake because I can't google properly -_- super interesting though, I love those techniques that use physiology to support the singing
What I wanted to find was a way to correct that thing I've noticed in my own singing, especially when I go on the higher side of my range, I tend (and by tend I mean It happens all the time now that I've noticed it) to sound like a dying whale or an old lady crying her eyes out... I think I might be doing something wrong, is it poor technique, something normal that just jarring because it's off-pitch or is it the result of muscles that are still too weak that will resolve itself through practice
The problem I face is that I have too much cry, so it sounds too sharp for soft songs, but really good for metal
Can anyone tell different between cry and twang quality?
Good question! Twang and cry are both created with the larynx in a higher position, and they both produce bright qualities with a feeling of "forwardness" in the resonance. Twang, can be produced with both thin and thick vocal folds, whereas cry - like the puppy dog whimper - usually stretches and thins the vocal folds more while simultaneously keeping them compressed. We'll often hear singers "crying into the note," especially on higher notes, to add a layer of emotion, and that quality may sometimes only be heard at the beginning of the phrase. Twang can be produced with or without cry, but cry tends to "connect" and "compress" like twang does functionally. I think of cry as infusing intense emotion - layering it on to a sound that may or may not be made with twang coordination. It's not just "bright" and "ping/ring-y"; it's emotional. But, in the end, they definitely have some similarities and can sound similar.
Thank you
i did this when i didnt watched this video on broken vow song
see im able to cry into the note like 2:20 but i want it to be more like at the end of the note like 2:26 any tips 🙏🏾🙏🏾
The best singer in the world at crying is Anthony Warlow. Wowee.
Me: *searches up puppy whimper*
unfortunately no demonstration
meh I thought for such a long time that cry is that twangy sound
4:25
so this is what sophia anne caruso does
She speaks like Neal from Santa Claus 😂
So this is what Thats called. I HATE IT when it’s over used!!! Like someone singers do it on every word and I don’t like it. Every now and then I think it’s really nice and interesting to listen to and lovely to sing. But when I hear it over and over and over ot bugs me!
Cry mode i hate i never like that type of voice sound or cry as I say.... 2:20.
I detest when people use that fake crying voice..especially when you hear them breath before every word. -_-
I remember watching that horrible show and getting always annoyed by that Rachel. She always sounded like a 4 year old crying.
Far too much time spent telling us what you're going to teach. Get into it already. I lost interest and stopped it.
Beautiful explanation. I was trying too hard to make it sound clearly like a cry but your explanation has helped greatly
Useless as usual