Was just going to say I was skipping around in the transcript trying to find the places where he’s not talking and let’s just say it was a challenge!! 😒
@Yvonne B The problem is he seems to be talking, for the sake of talking, and what he is saying is complete nonsense, it doesn't sound like he understands the work of either director, just bluff.
I love how it felt Sontag and Varda where mentally communicating with each other throughout the interview. It is like we can hear them going “Is this man for real?!” . Their faces say it all. What a wasted opportunity , we could have had those two legends talk to each other instead …
Lol when Susan Sontag was like “in Films people never interrupt other people, that’s not life real like where people are always interrupting eacho-“ Jack: *interrupts*
I love it. There is an interesting tension here on an intellectual level. We have nothing like that today. We are being forcefully fed with reality trash or nauseous comedy. The void is so big and painful.
@@SculptExpress-gv8jp Best comment!!! Yes. Everyone now is supposed to be 'Nice' and not hurt anyone's feelings. There is to be no discussion about anything. It's all pablum, or about 'who's right.' I watch old Dick Cavett shows. He challenges but also, He's charming and affectionate with his guests.
Why is _everything_ some kind of competition or battle these days? The guy had about as much charm as wet skunk but, for pity's sake, it's an interviewer's job to take interviewees to task a bit. A less confrontational interviewer may not have made Varda and Sontag come across so well.
@blackmore4 They only come across so well, because the guy is a complete buffoon, he just continously waffles, no connection to either womens subject matter.
Agnes: What do you mean grotesque? My characters aren't grotesque. Are they insects? Are they garbage? Who said grotesque? What the fuck does that mean? Susan: Let me just fire up this spliff ...
So interesting to know about their way of thinking and what was behind those scenes. They were looking for authenticity, and somehow media or TV had an influence on the people. Look like having a political background, but according to them, they were real people and there was kind of humor in Sontag’s film. Thanks so much.
I didn't like him either but for pity's sake, it's an interviewer's job to take their subjects to task. Please don't fall into this terrible modern trap of being freaked out about anything or anyone you don't agree with.
@@blackmore4 No. It isn't because Kroll is unlikable. It's because he's RUDE! He's a condescending horse's ass who likes the sound of his own voice and thinks, because he's speaking to women, that he can speak DOWN to them. And it's not because I'm young and don't understand the difference between now and then. If you listen to Dick Cavett, he is also intellectually challenging but he is NOT rude and he is not condescending. There IS a difference. (I'm old enough to remember. I love and miss the days when we actually talked about things and challenged each other intellectually. Now, everything is about who's wrong and who's right. There is no intellectual discussion and that is a great shame!).
i love how the interviewer really does not know how to ask questions. preferred route is to put forward his opinion and ask them to comment. hahahaha. and have to commend the ladies for fielding this gracefully, while really calling out when words are being put in their mouths
Enraged you?? Disrespectful? In the Trumpist media age, you find this so bad? The journalist is supposed to put some hard talk forward and they (the ladies who I like very much) can handle it. They are not fools, they can defend their work (this is the society of 1960s). Who needs a candy floss type of interview?
@@SculptExpress-gv8jpwell sure, if only this was an actual interview and not a guy talking at Sontag and Varda with his dull readings of their films 😅
these interviewers of this ilk have no interest in learning about the person they are interviewing. They are just interested in confirming to the audience what they already believe to be true and is inevitably not true.
It is such a different interview when a journalist starts with an accurate understanding of their subject and proceeds with intelligence and curiousity, rather than an impressionistic smirk.
I like how the so called interviewer fumbles and dissolves as he instantaneously recognizes he has no formulated argument worth mentioning. He is clearly disarmed by these two great personalities. His only approach is to stretch out his murky remarks with long over run sentences - to arrive at the same dead end point of expressing dissaproval and contempt.
And the worst of all, he is impassive! He is too blind by his own ego to even consider the possibility of a different approach, to anything, really. It's tragic.
Watching this after the announcement that Kristen Stewart will play Sontag. And I think my girl will do her justice. Can’t wait to see the META biopic.
This is enlightening. Real world language, “long haired” people seem very threatening in Jack Kroll’s line of questioning. Today, it is LGBTQ and ethnicities and non-Christian religions.
I wouold have asked the interviewer that - "I would like to know your definition of "grotesque" to be able to analyze if we can associate the term with the people or not. I would rather say that they are their own beings and other people attaching "tag" names to tme to box them - is it fair ??!!
Watching this with the Tom Tom Club in the background, it goes pretty well despite the fact Jack Kroll is annoying and stupid and bad at interviewing these two powerhouses.
The "Senior Editor of NEWSWEEK" (!) was way out of his league vs Sontag and Varda. Perhaps he might have been more comfortable interviewing the then current Miss America and her First Runner-up? Pathetic.... NEWSWEEK?! Were they kidding?
I'VE NEVER WANTED TO BE TRANSGENDER. BUT, TO THINK OF WASTING ALL THAT MONEY AND END UP LOOKING AND ACTING LIKE SUSAN SONTAG at the end of the day. I'd still never sleep with MATT LE BLANC and I'D LOOK LIKE THAT.
I like how the masses always cheer and get a hard-on when feminism is expressed by rudeness and unpoliteness. True, the interviewer has many flaws, but, in his ignorance, he is nontheless a gentleman. The ladies, on the other hand, have their fists up, ready to strike at the first word they find minimally condescending.
This should be renamed: Jack Kroll says what he thinks of Susan Sontag and Agnès Varda films and sometimes allows them to speak.
Absolutely. He can't wait for them to leave a space. My thoughts too. It could easily have been so much more.
Thank goodness for your comment, I can't bear to watch
@@MsBluewise yes, and when Sontag says "In real life people interrupt people all the time..." he interrupts her at that very moment.
Was just going to say I was skipping around in the transcript trying to find the places where he’s not talking and let’s just say it was a challenge!! 😒
@Yvonne B The problem is he seems to be talking, for the sake of talking, and what he is saying is complete nonsense, it doesn't sound like he understands the work of either director, just bluff.
I love how it felt Sontag and Varda where mentally communicating with each other throughout the interview. It is like we can hear them going “Is this man for real?!” . Their faces say it all. What a wasted opportunity , we could have had those two legends talk to each other instead …
i just - the way susan stares at the interviewer... the way agnes called him out on his racism immidiately... their genius, his idiocy.... I -
"You're intellectuals - that's a bad word - you're women - that's a good word - "
The way agnes squeezes in the smear "racism" as soon as she can, even though it had nothing to do with what they were talking about. FIFY
I think Varda meant "It's a bit disrespectful calling other people 'grotesque'", and English wasn't her first language.
'his racism immediately'
Lol when Susan Sontag was like “in Films people never interrupt other people, that’s not life real like where people are always interrupting eacho-“ Jack: *interrupts*
this is terrible, the most brilliant thinkers and artists of everrrrrr together and he wont shut up. how many times did he say grotesque? por dios
He's mansplaining their own films to them. This should go in the Hall of Fame of Mansplaining.
He's almost as annoying as all the pissy woke people complaining about him on this page.
Yes!!!
7:33 "in film people usually don´t interrupt others in the middle of the phrase"
DAMN SUSAN
Did Agnes Varda get to finish a complete sentence at all?
this interview is so frustrating but so calming at the same time
I love it. There is an interesting tension here on an intellectual level. We have nothing like that today. We are being forcefully fed with reality trash or nauseous comedy. The void is so big and painful.
@@SculptExpress-gv8jp Best comment!!!
Yes. Everyone now is supposed to be 'Nice' and not hurt anyone's feelings. There is to be no discussion about anything. It's all pablum, or about 'who's right.'
I watch old Dick Cavett shows. He challenges but also, He's charming and affectionate with his guests.
He's so in over his head with these brilliant women! He's literally squirming.
Your brilliant Susan Sontag claims that ‘The white race is the cancer of human history’. I find her truly repugnant!
Why is _everything_ some kind of competition or battle these days? The guy had about as much charm as wet skunk but, for pity's sake, it's an interviewer's job to take interviewees to task a bit. A less confrontational interviewer may not have made Varda and Sontag come across so well.
"brilliant"? They were both overrated and underperforming.
@@fastinbulvis2223 How exactly did Varda underperform?
@blackmore4 They only come across so well, because the guy is a complete buffoon, he just continously waffles, no connection to either womens subject matter.
"There is something happening here but you don't know what it is do you, Mr Jones"
"Something"? That's right, Bob Dylan didn't know what it was either.
I was actually thinking of that song as I watched this. Thank you.
Susan Sontag And Agnès Varda are two of the most interesting and influential artists of the 20Th century, who is Jack Kroll?
Breaks out a cigarette live on air -- definitely a different era.
the way sontag stares into the camera within the first 3 minutes like 'are you hearing this guy..?'
Two fantastic intelligent dedicated women!!
Agnes: What do you mean grotesque? My characters aren't grotesque. Are they insects? Are they garbage? Who said grotesque? What the fuck does that mean?
Susan: Let me just fire up this spliff ...
this is why we need feminism.
Lol
yup
It only seems to benefit the middle class.
This is why feminism died and why boring and pretentious women like these two killed it.
You need feminism to let bourgeois intellectuals spread philosophical bullshittery and red propaganda on television? Lmao
2:02 Susan- Don't worry Agnes, I'm gonna put him in his place!
I love both of these women.
Susan Sontag and Agnès Varda will always be remembered as great, the interviewer not. Harsh but true.
none of them are remembered
Literally just wrong?@@abelnicolae
So interesting to know about their way of thinking and what was behind those scenes. They were looking for authenticity, and somehow media or TV had an influence on the people. Look like having a political background, but according to them, they were real people and there was kind of humor in Sontag’s film.
Thanks so much.
Was it a lecture or an interview?
hahahaa this is a short film in itself
most impressive thing to me about this is how susan sontag casually wont exhale her cig smoke
she is not smoking.
Ahhh iki sevdiğim müthiş kadın bir arada .
Jack Kroll is appalling. Agnès was a genius, as was Susan. I loathe Kroll’s condescension. Why must he keep saying he’s playing the devil’s advocate?
"devil's advocate" = I have nothing to say but I won't stop talking
I didn't like him either but for pity's sake, it's an interviewer's job to take their subjects to task. Please don't fall into this terrible modern trap of being freaked out about anything or anyone you don't agree with.
@@blackmore4 Well said.
oh how the definition of genius has gone into decay, my god...
@@blackmore4 No. It isn't because Kroll is unlikable. It's because he's RUDE! He's a condescending horse's ass who likes the sound of his own voice and thinks, because he's speaking to women, that he can speak DOWN to them. And it's not because I'm young and don't understand the difference between now and then. If you listen to Dick Cavett, he is also intellectually challenging but he is NOT rude and he is not condescending. There IS a difference. (I'm old enough to remember. I love and miss the days when we actually talked about things and challenged each other intellectually. Now, everything is about who's wrong and who's right. There is no intellectual discussion and that is a great shame!).
ah would love Susan and Agnes.
i love how the interviewer really does not know how to ask questions. preferred route is to put forward his opinion and ask them to comment. hahahaha. and have to commend the ladies for fielding this gracefully, while really calling out when words are being put in their mouths
I don't get angry easily but this man enraged me. How can someone be so arrogant and clueless? So disrespectful...
with this, you can see how the world has changed, and just with little feminism
Enraged you?? Disrespectful? In the Trumpist media age, you find this so bad? The journalist is supposed to put some hard talk forward and they (the ladies who I like very much) can handle it. They are not fools, they can defend their work (this is the society of 1960s). Who needs a candy floss type of interview?
@@SculptExpress-gv8jpwell sure, if only this was an actual interview and not a guy talking at Sontag and Varda with his dull readings of their films 😅
susan is such a geezer just chuffing a durry whilst smirking at him
fantastic
This is why we had the Women's Movement.
these interviewers of this ilk have no interest in learning about the person they are interviewing. They are just interested in confirming to the audience what they already believe to be true and is inevitably not true.
It is such a different interview when a journalist starts with an accurate understanding of their subject and proceeds with intelligence and curiousity, rather than an impressionistic smirk.
literally absurd man, incredible women
수잔손택 목소리에서 지적인 매력이 뚝뚝 떨어짐.. ㅠ 영화배우도 했어도 잘했을듯. 핵간지남.
I like how the so called interviewer fumbles and dissolves as he instantaneously recognizes he has no formulated argument worth mentioning. He is clearly disarmed by these two great personalities. His only approach is to stretch out his murky remarks with long over run sentences - to arrive at the same dead end point of expressing dissaproval and contempt.
And the worst of all, he is impassive! He is too blind by his own ego to even consider the possibility of a different approach, to anything, really. It's tragic.
I could get a sense of what the US was like back then with this interview....In many ways still the same attitude and pseudo-intellectuality persists
"you're intellectuals. bad word. women. good word" - tf this man even talking about..
I understand why the word "intellectual" is bad for him. Pure sexism and stupidity.
Love these two but who"s the weirdo bothering them?
Ben olsam orayı terk ederim. İkisi de neden bu kadar sakin. 😮
Bu kabul edilemez.
GOD, I LOVE WOMEN SO MUCH.
love how the annoying interviewer proves her point at 7:38
Ya siéntese, señor 😞
What year was this...? I don't see actual year.
1969 @ the 7th Annual NY Film Festial
And ,,,,,where's the interviuw???
Watching this after the announcement that Kristen Stewart will play Sontag. And I think my girl will do her justice. Can’t wait to see the META biopic.
This is enlightening. Real world language, “long haired” people seem very threatening in Jack Kroll’s line of questioning. Today, it is LGBTQ and ethnicities and non-Christian religions.
Aren't generalizing and assumptions a form of ignorance?
I wouold have asked the interviewer that - "I would like to know your definition of "grotesque" to be able to analyze if we can associate the term with the people or not. I would rather say that they are their own beings and other people attaching "tag" names to tme to box them - is it fair ??!!
missed opportunity. terrible interview but good to see the ladies
He cannot stand that their are clearly smarter than him 🤣
They* that was a typo oops
That guy is such a tool. Patronizing, interrupting and mansplainy you can tell how irritated he is that Sontag and Varda aren’t on board with him.
He’s inadequate.. he fears it and it shows
what a truely unpleasant man
what year is this from?
1969.
What an awful interviewer 🤬🤬
I would of leave
I know Jack Shit, er, Kroll.
Jack Kroll can not deal with Susan Sontag or Agnes Varda. All is lost on him.
He brought 2 incredible women together to talk at them.. what a waste
I swear, so many interviews conducted around this time were so unabashedly chauvinist
Yup!
Jack Kroll The mansplaining king!
Watching this with the Tom Tom Club in the background, it goes pretty well despite the fact Jack Kroll is annoying and stupid and bad at interviewing these two powerhouses.
The interviewer just loves listening to the sound of his own voice. EWW!
should've got dick cavett (or better yet no 'interviewer' at all)
God, you're _so_ 21st century.
@@blackmore4 you're a womble
Sontag is super interesting, but that clip from her film is laughably bad.
Real people are grotesque, sad man.
What an annoying interviewer. I wish he would have just let them speak amongst themselves.
I liked this video only for the wonderful, interesting, intelligent, beautiful women. The rest frustrates me so much, I want to dislike it:)
selective perspective , cough ...
he makes me so mad
A masterclass in mansplaining.
god the host is just insufferable
The "Senior Editor of NEWSWEEK" (!) was way out of his league vs Sontag and Varda. Perhaps he might have been more comfortable interviewing the then current Miss America and her First Runner-up? Pathetic....
NEWSWEEK?! Were they kidding?
The 80’s is when everything sucked, the people-everything did, at least more.. the 20’s-70’s were rad. 90’s reupped briefly culturally...
I'VE NEVER WANTED TO BE TRANSGENDER. BUT, TO THINK OF WASTING ALL THAT MONEY AND END UP LOOKING AND ACTING LIKE SUSAN SONTAG at the end of the day. I'd still never sleep with MATT LE BLANC and I'D LOOK LIKE THAT.
Cool story bro
I like how the masses always cheer and get a hard-on when feminism is expressed by rudeness and unpoliteness. True, the interviewer has many flaws, but, in his ignorance, he is nontheless a gentleman. The ladies, on the other hand, have their fists up, ready to strike at the first word they find minimally condescending.
awful "interviewer".. missed the chance to really listen what incredible women had to share.