Cindy Herron Braggs and Terry Ellis tells their side of the En Vogue saga Part 1
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- Cindy Herron Braggs and Terry Ellis tells their side of the En Vogue saga (sorta).
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I think Cindy and Terry were more interested in consistent work than they were with the numbers and the behind the scenes stuff. They were happy with "The Brand" and were afraid to rock the boat. Dawn and Max on the other hand realized things weren't adding up the way they felt it should, and weren't afraid to go balls to the wall about it. In my opinion, Dawn was backed into a corner and given an ultimatum (they all were actually) and she called their bluff bc the big wigs didn't believe she'd walk. Now Max did the opposite. She really didn't want to leave, and tried to force the changes she felt the group needed. I think she felt that if she stood her ground they would come around. Instead they called her bluff, and moved on without her. I don't think that was her original intention. I'm sure she didn't foresee them actually doing En Vouge without her after having already lost Dawn. The whole situation is unfortunate.
Yeah but Max should have spoke up when it was Dawn. Terri and Cindy always seemed like a team to me. Like Otis and Blue.
it's such a stupid situation because there are a lot of fans out there that wanna see the 4 together
Ruined the legacy. Always stick together and NEVER be afraid to ask for what you are worth. Don’t be afraid to crunch the numbers.
Angie L always
The interviewer is messy, and they know their not telling the full story. If she would listen effectively without a preconceived notion, She'd catch it. smh
Facts!
This breaks my heart, these four sisters were incredible as group, great singers.
Sorry, I agree with Maxine and Dawn! You can’t let the music business pimp you whereasTerry and Cindy are fine working and not getting paid what they are truly worth. The funny thing is you see how these two never tell the complete truth why Dawn and Maxine wanted new management. And shame on the interview for taking their sides lauding “ they had checks waiting but didn’t want to do shows”. All Money isn’t good or right money. Bottom line I can guarantee you that at some point during that arbitration these two cited they are the leaders of the group by talent and the judge bought it. This is really a shame to be ran out of your own group when you are trying to fight for what is right for the whole group. This is so typical as black people we are our own worse enemy and refuse to do and challenge what is right willing to take table scraps when you don’t have to.
Amen
The interviewer is being VERY MESSY-saying Terri & Cindi are the "official members" of Envogue. What were Dawn & Maxine....chopped liver?
SMH
Terry and Cindy didn’t have a problem because Cindy married a NFL football player she was well taken care of , Terry was dating one of the producers so she was taken care of
Preach✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
That's bull. And you don't know how the law works if you think Cindy and Terry won by saying they were the leaders.
Dawn has told how many stories? Did she quit over money or did she quit because Sylvia Rhone put pressure on her to committ to the group?
Cindy and Terry won because they never left. They never stopped using the name in the market place, unlike Max and Dawn..
Yea, it's black people like you that hate on those who're successful that are the problem. Because Cindy and Terry about their business and don't quit like Dawn.
I wish they would get back together and continue what they are known for which is GREAT SINGING!
im on dawn and maxine's side, there was always division in the beginning because terry was dating one of the producers when they got signed, dawn and maxine were unhappy with the money they were getting, the producers and the group had the same manager thats a conflict of interest, just like destiny's child, beyonce's father was the groups manager, so who were they gonna always look out for? beyonce, so i get it....BUT im on the outside looking in....
They're failing to mention initial mgr contracted low group earnings especially on 1st and 2nd albulms.
The same Dawn who fucked up with Lucy Pearl AND The Firm …yeah right
@@thetruthandnothingbutthetr6484 - Dawn DID NOT mess up Lucy Pearl or En Vogue. You, obviously, didn't/don't pay attention, do your research, nor listen.
@@tanyalake9152 lmao …ok Dawn
@@thetruthandnothingbutthetr6484 - Immature mess. Smdfh!
There are two sides to every story. According to Dawn and Maxine, their problem wasn't that they didn't 'like' the manager, it was that the same manager was also managing their producer. That's clearly a conflict of interest - if it's true. There is only so much money in the pot and the artists and producer are eating from the same pot so how are you going to get the best deal for everyone when they are competing interests? Mess.
And, wasn't Terry's dating the producer?
This is one of my favorite groups of all time and I hate the 4 of them can't come together and be EnVogue. It's so sad for them and us.
Sound like the same story from the 90s. NWA vsJerry Heller. TLC vs Pebbles. Jodeci vs Their Manager. P.diddy vs all his artist. All the artist got screwed in the 90s
forreal Diddy fucked over all his artists LMAOO
Yeah, he screwed over Craig Mack too. Craig Mack was no joke. Lol. Suge Knight robbed Tupac and tried to rob Vanilla Ice too. A bunch of 90's crooks and crookettes.😀😀😀
It's sad that so many (if not all) 90's artist got screwed and this is the era of some of the best music. Today we have a bunch of talentless people making millions.
Sounds like the Supremes and Florence Ballard.
Detroit 4life dang I didn’t know Jodeci got ripped off?!
They're just all wrong for acting like it's only them who started in the group. The brand IS all of them - Dawn & Max SMH
Said I loved this group. The record industry is full of crooks and I am not talking about the artist. They truly divided and conquered these ladies.
Just because someone is getting you work doesn't mean they're getting you paid.
Dawn was always my favorite...
Mine 2
Maxine's voice is my favourite, then Terry and then Dawn and Cindy's voices are 3rd.
Well, she was my favorite, until R & B Divas. I couldn’t believe how much of a weakling she was. OMG! Shy, lowly, and just a mess.
The work was coming in but the money was not. I love them all but this interview is not fully transparent
Y'all black folks saying, "just work it out", and y'all got family Y'ALL don't even talk to. 🤔
Lol, true
True! 🎯 But sometimes it has to be that way because some blood is demonic. 🤷🏽♀️
This is AWFUL! En Vogue come on ladies. You guys can resolve this and make a great come back. Your fans are waiting!!!
It’s 2024
As much as I like Cindy and Terri, and I luv how they wouldn’t let the interview go south with badmouthing the Maxine & Dawn who chose to try to claim their power and worth (as artist and members of one of the most talented platinum selling groups of the 90’s) it’s truly Cindy & Terri who come out on the losing end even if they did retain the rights to the trademark name. They could have accomplished so much more together, been paid their fair share for their contributions in the industry. Why don’t groups recognize they are a force together? Now they are all fragments of the the success they once had. I wish them all well.
Miller Miz you are right.
They all lost but Cindy and Terri are not the ultimate losers. When someone is looking to book En Vogue, Cindy and Terri are there, not Maxine or Dawn. Last year I remember seeing them on Dick Clark and I thought about Maxine and Dawn and wondered if they feel good about their choices or if they are still bitter about the whole thing.
@@filmgirlLisa cindy and teri are selfish to continue without dawn and maxine
@@ANDY1985UK2011 I'm not saying they did the right thing, but the truth is that just being a group and being able to sing isn't enough. They still wanted to make records then and if you don't write and you don't have a good producer it's pretty tough. Also without know who was feeling what and saying what it's hard to say, I think.
“The business” is NASTY😖
Terry gives me the vibes of a "mean girl" the way she described Rhona as "the girl / the fill in" instead of addressing her by name. Also Terry needs to come clean & admit she got played by the producer who she was sleeping with & the group was signed to. They were the hottest thing since the Supremes only better.
They definitely weren't better then the Supremes
she also left out the part about her dinging the manager and him getting her solo's and other work -- i can say, i was around -- ran a shop and a law firm so you get to know how the dots connected and what the Whole story is because you're not in it or OF it...
1st rule -- when you wan to know something, follow the $$$$$
2nd rule -- make like an owl, stay quiet and out the picture, you see/learn everything. then you can spot the common denominator ...its a light at night that always reveal itself... that would be the manager, d.....whipped one who was already disrespectful which made it easy for him & others to pimp the others ladies until he couldnt get away with it any more. no way you should have a million dollar hits but make no money...some folks go along to get along and others have too much self respect not to notice and figure out whats what.
They were probably surrounded by wolves from Day 1. They were young, attractive, talented and wanted stardom. I can only imagine the wolves picking at them.
En Vogue sold over 30 million records and yet none of them are millionaires. They weren't even making $1.00 for every record they sold!! They were one of the top groups in the 90's and yet made practically no money. Dawn wanted them to renogotiate but the other heffas were afraid of rocking the boat so they decided to stay and work for peanuts like dummies instead of sticking together and renegotiating their contract (something all artists are supposed to do.) THEN when they reunited in 2009 with all ORIGINAL members. Management wanted them to sign yet ANOTHER bad deal. Dawn said Hell Naw, and Maxine said, "'NOPE Ya'll wont get me this time" Max wanted them to get a better manager, and Cindy and Terri wanted to keep getting their little check, and now the REAL En Vogue will never be and they blew a chance for a major comeback and to make bank!.
They should have learned from TLC. After they renegotiated and FIRED their manager and hired a better one, they got like $10-20 million a piece plus a better deal off sales and touring.
kendolldamon you are right.
I don't think they broke
Not broke but definitely not wealthy@@tonyaingram7709
It's such a shame so much drama happened between them. I doubt they'll ever sort things out which is a big shame.
This breaks my heart 😭😩
Mine too...I wondered what happen with them. So much talent gone for what? They are a group and will never truly be successful w/o each other....
They were wrong for suing for use of the name. All 4 of them built the name together. En Vogue is Cindy, Dawn, Maxine, and Terry. The manager also manged the producers (conflict of interests) taking most of their money, why aren't they telling the whole truth?
If Cindy and Terry want to spend their career being ripped off that's up to them. Dawn and Max wanted a fair days pay for THEIR VOICES making their record company and their producers making way more money than they were getting. How is that wrong? Dawn and Max had the best and most distinctive voices. I still like their music but quite frankly I can never tell their voices apart. You could always tell the difference between Max and Dawn for sure.
but cindy and terri in my opinion are more beautiful and that = more ego to think they sold the songs
@@ANDY1985UK2011 Terry. Not Terri. It's literally written in the title.
Jesus Christ. 🙄
@@damnnative3188 i don't care how it's spelt , my point still stands
@@ANDY1985UK2011
You cared enough to comment.
Given Terry and Cindy are the only two original members to NOT file for bankruptcy, the point you think you’re making is not a solid one.
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Someone should make a move about EV....sounds like an interesting story...its just not En Vogue without all 4...ijs
I think Unsung would be great for them
It sounds like a bunch of mess. I bet once one dies they'll reflect back and see how stupid and petty most of this mess probably is. All the time and talent wasted. If you want money write and produce. Singers don't make money, especially females. Just the hair, make-up stylist, clothes alone put them in the negative.
Jp Reddy yea but it makes you wonder why they didn't just go with their own production company, and keep the money "in the family" since the breakup was all about money.
Simple! Because they couldn't "agree" on anything. That is why Dawn told them not to sign the new recording contract with Rufftown, but they didn't listen and so she left before they signed the deal. Now En Vogue is being sued for 310 million dollars from Rufftown. Very soon there won't be a En Vogue left. Cindy and Terry better have something to "Hold On" to.
wow..sad situation.
So basically they (Cindy and Terry) were happy being “Sharecroppers”. The mgr. worked the producers who was probably getting a lion’s share of their money.
Exactly! 💯 But it makes sense. Cindy was married to a pro-ball player, and Terry was dating one of their rich producers. They didn’t need money like that so that’s why they didn’t care.
@@CodyCole80 Terry was dating him not married to him. If he was really breaking Terry off financially she wouldn't have done that solo album. She said she did it b/c she had bills to pay.
@@keepsit100atalltime9 Well, obviously they weren’t even seriously dating because what woman dates a man for years when she’s not getting any help for him?
@@CodyCole80 Lol. I don't know how long they dated. It seems like it didn't last long though.
Terry got a $250,000.00 USD advance for making the album that didn't sell. Denny and Terry eventually broke up too in 2001. Denny married another woman named "Terry" -- go figure. #Shade@@keepsit100atalltime9
It sounds like none of the ladies were being, underhanded but all of the men were. One set of ladies were trying to hold the group together which is admirable and the other two were trying to fight for what they deserved which was courageous. The problem was that all of the men were taking advantage of the situation and profitted no matter what.
Not all of them were men. Sylvia Rhone was complicit in the dirt too. She was also a thorn in Stevie Wonder's side for his last couple of albums as well. It comes down to "business is business" when you're talking about the music industry. I feel bad for the artists in these situations.
thats a piece of it
Prime example of business in the way of talent,music, and friendship.... so talented rather tooooo talented to let the business ruined this brand..... en vogue I truly hope u guys can come 2gether
They were never really friends. They met when they were brought together for the group. It was ALWAYS business.
Apart from the business conflict of it all,they can damn sing though.
And dance.
So sorry my girls had to go through that, but I will always Love My Some, Terri, Cindy, Maxine and Dawn, Envouge forever.
I can't wait for the biopic
...if they can even agree on that
Yes, that will really be epic and bring much revelation.
Cindy and Terry were always boring to me. Max and Dawn had flava.
That's just your sympathy for the perceived underdog talking.
Glad to see they are still around...I like updates,reuniting etc...
20 plus years of heartbreak.
That's the world of business. These artists are like slaves to the labels. Everyone else gets paid more off artist talents while the artist do all the work Smh I wish they would've stayed together. I understand Terri and Cindy wanted to stick with the contract but why allow your to get ripped off. That's like working at a job that is under paying you to do all the work. I hope they stay doing what some of these new artist are and get more rights.
What a messy interview and situation. These 4 women built a brand, and now the brand is owned by 2, because the other 2, dared to stand up for themselves. 😳
People go on strike all the time when they are not happy with their compensation and or work conditions. So sad that people can’t appreciate or understand that process.
Having seen so many comments on videos from each year and decade, in present day 2024 I think if a video was to lay out the exact timeline of what happened, everybody would easy understand why Cindy and Terry have always been the primary/official members (regardless of who they prefer)
In their own words here they have called Rhona a fill in. Now I understand Dawn Robinson’s side of the story. I thought Dawn was tripping 🤣😂
Cindy and Terry are the owners and Rhona is a W-2 employee (files taxes as such).
My favorite girl group of all time! Work it out ladies
YES! WORK IT OUT!!!
The label from the get go signed them in a production deal through the producers.That’s a problem from the get go.In other words they’re signed to the producers first before the record label.That’s like a worker that has a boss getting work from Janiking.Janiking gets the first big cut,the boss managing the account get a big slice of the account and the employee gets the crumbs.
Why is it that women's groups have all this turmoil? You have En Vogue, Xscape, SWV, even TLC to some extent. It really just plays on the stereotype that successful women can't work together.
Not true. The male musicians/artists get screwed too! Have been since the beginning of show business...most people are not good at two things... Artists create! They don't often understand OR naturally care about business. And business is nasty. Whenever money is on the table, somebody's blood is hitting the floor. Almost every time.
Uhm,. . . . Michael McCary from Boyz II Men is super dramatic. So is Jermaine Jackson (left the Jackson 5 in 1975 for some lady-cookie). Then there is the group Journey, Steve Perry left because Neil Schon (the lead guitarist) told him to "sing through the pain." And lastly you have the Eagles. They sued the fck out of each other.
I just don't understand. Why were these two always OK with the money situation and the others weren't? I feel like whole parts of this story are not being told. I don't understand the disparity in the points of view. At all. Usually if money is running funny everybody is pissed, not just half of the folks involved. It just makes no sense ...
Two of them realize they didn't write or produce and so their money would come from touring, etc. The other one didnt and wanted to tip over the whole ship.
There is barely enough room for 2 original members, let alone 4. 😂
So basically Cindy and Terry went Beyonce and Kelly on Dawn ( Letoya ) and Maxine ( LaTavia ) asses .... lmao .
Poor ladies..If anyone thought this was a win they were sadly mistaken. Unity will be there only way to winning!
As fans can we sign a petition for all of them to get back together? Hell I'll even start a go fund me for it
Lol
Max sung lead with Dawn on 'Never Gonna Get It". The person who song the biggest hit's on lead was Dawn. But singing they all pretty much had a chance. THey were actually a group. BUt they didn't have many albums. After Dawn left, they all still sung equally. Just wasn't as big as their 1st two projects....
I know this interview was awhile ago n I know there are 2 sides to every story, in this case 4! There's just something about there story's (Terry&Cindy) just don't make sense! But Dawn is coming out with a book real soon here, the TRUTH Is COOOOMING!! I love Dawn's 💝 truth!!
I wouldn’t call Dawn’s book, the truth because it’s still one sided.
I hope you're enjoying waiting for Dawn's truth. I doubt she'll ever get around to finishing that book.
@@Gazmeizster_Wongatron She strikes me as a person that doesn't follow through on anything.
I believe a lot of artist have been bamboozled by some lowdown dirty dogs who are greedy and don't give artist their just due, and its sad that it destroy an amazing group like En Vogue, and one day they are going to realize that!
You are right for the first album, but after that Dawn sang most of the leads but, I think all of those ladies can hold their own. That was the first group I have ever and even now heard that all of them can sing, without having 1 stand out all the time. I miss them together
This whole saga seems to just come down to those two taking the money they were being offered and the other two saying no we all deserve a bigger slice of the pie. These two here have more mouths to feed than the others. Can't blame them. But ultimately its a hollow victory. A short-term quick-buck grab. You can see it on their faces. D & M have come out of it with more dignity.
That is simply untrue. Dawn & Maxine have both been in the media being negative toward Cindy, Terry AND Rhona. Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word "dignity," because Terry & Cindy have been nothing but professional about their former bandmates. Dawn is known in the industry for being "outspoken," but she will never be a successful solo star because she doesn't know how to deal with people.
I agree. D&M are stronger than C&T
Dignity + an empty sack is worth the sack.
@@ethnicambiguity526 Wow!!! Your definition of professional you will find has connoation that have nothing to do with the actual meaning of the word. Dawn should have agitated and rocked the boat more. If pointing out other members' complicity is 'negative', tough s***. unfortunately, as pointed out many times, noone comes out the winner here. But the principles aren't opaque but really very clear.
Sounds like the music business to me
Terry and Cindy have class
it's amazing how everyone who wasn't there or involved are all knowing about the situation.
lolol
Well the ladies are/were telling their story in interviews… it’s not like it’s an industry secret✌🏾
Let's be honest here. After you hear both sides of the story...what it ALL comes down to is...all four girls love each other, get a long with each other and agree on their music and singing and what they want out of their singing foursome!
BUT at the end of the day Terri and Cindy have their own feelings about the business side while Max and Dawn have their own feelings about the business side! That's ALL this is about!
If all four women agreed on how to handle business behind the scenes, then they would all still be making music together!
The only thing that ever separated them was Terri and Cindi feeling one way, while Max and Dawn felt another!
Because of that...they will never reform and make music or ever do live shows. You have two different teams who don't agree on how to handle their musical business.
Terri and Cindy will only have each others backs and agreements while vice versa with Dawn and Max.
If all it takes is for them to agree on management and their payroll then they could at least do a world tour singing their hits.
But you will always have two different teams who just don't agree on the important things. So it's over for them and they have no one to blame but themselves. At least part ways on good terms as members. Remember the friendship, the great music and the good times and acknowledge that their differences in what they feel is better will never match and then just lay it all to rest and never speak of anything but the good times. The four of them will never agree on their personal business affairs so just part ways with love and focus on talking about what was good like us fans do!
Dawn is the only one that constantly brings up past hurts etc. The others seem cool and have moved on.
@Support4MySingers You nailed it. Thank you!
@@monember2722That’s because she has been the most wronged while trying to stand up for All of them… Would you not carry hurt?
And let’s give Dawn credit, she put that aside and rejoined the line up and they were shady again to her advice of Good Business and she left .. Then was proven right because the warning she gave bit All 3 in the but when they had to get a lawyer to get out of the bad contract DAWN warned against … so she has a right to bring it up especially when no accountability is stated. I with Dawn .. Because she is RIGHT! If I heard them say” She has a EGO or Bad Business habits” I’d understand but it’s not that … she just Speaks Up for the Worth .. And we Fans know the worth! Again she is Right sorry 🤷🏾♂️✊🏿 Black people 400 years fell off act like it EnVogue #FreeYourMindFrfr
Love Cindy and Terry.
No matter what Cindy and Terry, those hot singles and classic songs were released are owned by Dawn and Maxine. Max and Dawn can still sing those classic song without you.
My Lovin' Max/ Dawn owned this song
Free Your Mind - Dawn / Max
Max has a distinct voice that no one can ever replace her.
Don't let go- Dawn and Max
Angel's Live Gaming & Video Update So can Cindy and Terry. They were on Wendy Williams with Rona the 3rd member yesterday. I miss all 4 but they sounded great.
Sorry, but all those girls sang on hits. Not just Dawn and Max. All four sang lead on hits.
You can see so clearly why Terry and Cindy have ground rules around any future reunions - which they always leave the door open to. You trash your reputation and ability to get consistent work if there’s constant chaos and you can’t rely on your members to operate in good faith. Everything they’re saying here and have always said is perfectly reasonable and fair. And this seems to make way more business sense than the way Dawn and Max have operated - they’ve now tried twice and failed twice at forming a new group together, whereas Cindy, Terry and Rhona have been solid as a rock for over 10 years, and nearly 20 all told. That tells me a lot.
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True
You should hear the other side ! There is no En Vogue without Dawn and Max!
@@doubledimpled778 I have. My comment comes out of hearing all there is to hear in the public domain from all four ladies. And then some. My comment stands, with the only update that I love what Max is doing on her own; am heartened that she, Terry & Cindy seem to be on decent terms; and hope they can work together under mutually beneficial circumstances in the future.
lies! ain't nobody checking for them without the originals period! those wack shows
You can not and don't have the power to fire a man who hired you...That's our "En Vogue" contract
Can anybody tell me am I the only one that see Cindy 💪 biceps😊
I think whatever happened to cause them to disband shouldn't be divulged. You should be professional regarding conflicts related to business & ex-colleagues.
black sho nuff dont crack. shat!!! nothing like a fine sista
I hope they all get back together and be friends again
Was there a way to film this without the mics and stands being in the way? The cameraman kept moving, too. This is a hard watch.
Your question is equally stupid.
I wish they would have told the truth about who was dating who and why the other two weren't happy with 2 cents per album but Terry and Cindy were.
Right! People want to make Dawn out to be the problem, but who wants to only get 2 pennies per album when you’re a very successful selling group?! 😮
The interviewer seems to be taking sides without hearing the other side story.
Crappy camera work
These women would probably be multi-million singers if they listened to Dawn
Had they stuck together they would have been multi - millionaires.
Dawn aint even a multi millionaire 😂😂😂😂
Interviewer really trying to stir the pot, isn't she?
I feel like this. If xscape can get back together which I’m very happy about, these ladies can too if they try.
Kayanda Eddings Even Vogue just released a video and have a album coming out soon.
Well they can but they don’t wanna
@@dontworryitsjustvitinho The three members is together except for kandi. They performed together on stage but they haven’t done a studio album together in a very long time. The three of them did an album together but it’s not the same without her.
@@kayandaeddings4803 oh I was talking about En Vogue but ok
@@dontworryitsjustvitinho my bad. They are reunited now and they even have the fifth girl that joined right after one of them or two of them left. It’s sort of how Dru Hill reunited for a short time and added a fifth member.
These girls don't need to brag. Dawn and Maxine sang lead on all of their hits...Don't Let Go, Giving Him Something He Could Feel, My Lovin, Free Your Mind all Cindy and Terry could sing is Hold On. Dawn and Maxine are En Vogue. Period.
And who arranged for them to sing those leads? Take a wild guess. Dawn and Max aint shit. Period.
@@umamizaddy hater
where the hell are dawn and maxine now? and how much money are they raking in when they sing these songs today? Not much. Terry and Cindy are making the money singing those songs so apparently no one cares about that. Stop and think about it. Folks need to get their heads out of their ass, make some power moves and start gettin money.
Terry has on the beige top.
I love dawn voice is powerful and the group together is mega powerful. They should reunite and share ownership n do a reality show
I dunno. I see this from both sides. They all had valid points. Ultimately though, the only thing they should've done is decide that we are all either in total agreement about the change or we don't change. I keep thinking about the actors in the show Friends and how they successfully renegotiated their contracts over and over simply because they were going to stick together no matter what. I think Maxine (and Dawn) should've recognized that even if they were technically right they had no more power than any other member of the group and that they were a lot less marketable without them than with them.
Clearly, Dawn and Max fumbled the bag. First Max was upset bc she felt it was a conflict of interest bc their mngr was also their producers mngr. Then I heard they renegotiated somewhere along the line to get the producers, who were also En Vogue's bosses, out the picture as their bosses. So then they would work directly with the label which they said they shouldn't have done. I'm still not understanding Max's issue.
Then Dawn throwing a tantrum b/c she wanted to do a solo album. She should've left that alone and focused on En Vogue's album only. Why would you damn near complete an album only to say you're not signing the contract? You should have done all that before you got in the booth. Something tells me that contract wasn't as bad as Dawn makes it out to be.
Keep in mind they never filed for bankruptcy. If they were really getting 2¢ per member per album they would have definitely had to file for bankruptcy.
With that logic, then why did Silvia Rhone even put the contract out AFTER like 80% of the album was finished? The proper way would have been to present the contract BEFORE they entered the studio to begin EV3. It smells like a setup to me, and that last-minute move on Silvia’s part kept them from renegotiation yet again. Very unfortunate for all 4 ladies; because not for nothing, I feel in my heart that Terry was a pawn in this whole thing too. I’ve seen interviews of her promoting her solo album and she sounds sincere when she said she was “terrified” to go solo and really had no intention of doing so, which leads me to believe that she was pressured to do it. I think she was being used, to keep all 4 from renegotiating for better terms as a united front
@@benfoldsfiveforever I dunno about the Terri part. People are terrified for many reasons. I've heard interviews of her saying that she didn't consider herself a good singer until she was a lot older (adult, I believe). It may be that she was insecure having been in a group most of her adult life and just not knowing if people want to here her solo.
What I said has nothing to do with when the contract was presented. What I'm saying is that they should've got together and stuck together on whether to accept or reject the contracts. If Silvia stood in front of renegotiation then they should've as a four women group decided to stick together.
The 4 needs to stop being stubborn and put their egos aside. The newbie Rhona did not produce any chart hits with the group. Whereas replacements like Johnny Gill provided hit records with the group.
More tragic than the separation of the singers.. is the separation of the singers and their original producers, Thomas McElroy and Denzil Foster. That said... if I had to pick between shows.. of seeing Cindy & Terry or Maxine & Dawn.. I would have to choose Cindy & Terry.. no disrespect to Maxine and Dawn.
Damn I Wish EV4 come back
I wish they could iron out their issues
Sound like the same situation happened to Sister Sledge with Kathy vs Debbie, Kim and Joni.....
omg ya'll get back together for the people that love you...come on now.
I just hate this. These girls have known each other for like 25 fucking years. I mean, what the fuck?
They are SO talented as a group, and I've seen them live TWICE (they were absolutely sensational both in 1995 and 2009, voices hadn't changed ONE iota) and the ORIGINAL 4 MEMBERS of En Vogue, are the ONLY members of En Vogue to me....and everyone else.
Knowing people for years doesn’t mean they care anything about you. I’ve learned that lesson myself. 😐
dawn seems like she would have issues around her
Opportunity the jewels
Baby don't do it the 5 toyals
what they are not telling is that this manager for the group did not advocate for them to get a fair payment on albums. what good is success if you compromise your personal integrity in the process?
That did not happen. The issue was Maxine taking the advance from the record company and not wanting to return the money.
Movie needed I want to be one of the girls
0:41 man we looking at microphone poles... Come on dawg!
They should quit bickering, put all that CRAP behind them, kiss and make up and go back to doing what they do best,,,, MAKE GREAT MUSIC!!! They have such great chemestry together. Stop with the selfish egos already and sing!!
I'd rather see the original group members. Not fill in wannabes. I won't be buying it listening unless they all get back together. What a loss 🙌
Money rules the word people wake up
They all can blow !
DAMN, ITS HARD TO COMMENT OVER THIS SITUATION, BUT I AM FOR, ALL FOUR OF THEM, I REFUSE TO TAKE SIDES, BUT THERE IS A VIDEO OF DAWN STATING THAT THEY ALL HAD MADE AMENDS FOR ALL THAT, SO LETS ALL JUST MOVE ON FROM THAT DARK TIME IN EN VOGUES CAREER, IT WAS THE RECORD COMPANIES FAULT FOR THE GROUPS DESTRUCTION, LIKE IN THAT MOVIE RAY, "SCRATCH A LIAR FIND A THIEF", WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN AWAY.
Was Cindy, the 1 on the left?
No, that's Terry.
There is no En Vogue without Dawn and Maxine. End of story.
I agree…👍
Who was the management at the time? Why did Max not favour the management after agreeing to employ them?
I’m presuming that after Dawn left in 1997, Maxine was outnumbered when they rehired David Lombard. But by this time they may have had a different manager, so I’m not sure
Mean Girls!!!
The dude had Terry sprung
What's wrong with the camera operator? Get a tripod.
They got ownership of the name nice all because one gal rebelled ?
How about an appearance on the Masked singer show on Fox Channel. Also Saturday night Live Show.
please move the microphone so we can see terry's beautiful face!!!!