Support These Archetypes PT2 - Real Bad Archetypes
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- With the Amazing Success that my last "Support These Archetypes" Video, I decided to take some of the commentors suggestions, discord friend recommendations and a few sneaks by me, to create Part 2 of Support These Archetypes. From Archfiend to Mikanko, and Ursarctic to Goyo Let's see how each archetype end up on this support tierlist.
Let me know more archetypes I can do for the possible next tierlist and lmk how you would support these archetypes down below.
Here’s the link to the tierlist I made ( tiermaker.com/create/support-... ) and and let me know on X / Twitter to see your lists.
TIMESTAMPS:
Ailen 2:03
Aromage 2:37
Batteryman 3:21
Chess Archfiend 4:07
Constellarknight 4:20
Constellar 4:40
Crystron 4:56
Gusto 5:17
Danger 5:45
Darklord 5:59
Dual Avatar 6:40
Duston 7:03
Element Saber 7:42
Flower Cardian 8:12
Goyo 8:46
Graydle 9:01
Hazy Flame 9:39
Herald 10:06
igknight 10:50
Koaki Meiru 11:10
Laval 12:01
Magikey 12:34
Magical Musket 13:19
Malefic 13:37
Mayakashi 14:05
Mikanko 14:50
Myutant 15:08
Nepthys 15:39
Noble Knight 16:05
S-force 16:44
Shiranui 17:17
Simourgh 17:45
Stardust 18:16
Satellarknight 18:52
Summoned Skull 19:14
Sylvan 19:30
Ursartic 20:04
Valmonica 20:31
Vampire 20:58
Vylon 21:20
Water Dragon/ H2O 21:38
Wind Witch 22:02
Ordering: 22:20 
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TIMESTAMPS:
Ailen 2:03
Aromage 2:37
Batteryman 3:21
Chess Archfiend 4:07
Constellarknight 4:20
Constellar 4:40
Crystron 4:56
Gusto 5:17
Danger 5:45
Darklord 5:59
Dual Avatar 6:40
Duston 7:03
Element Saber 7:42
Flower Cardian 8:12
Goyo 8:46
Graydle 9:01
Hazy Flame 9:39
Herald 10:06
igknight 10:50
Koaki Meiru 11:10
Laval 12:01
Magikey 12:34
Magical Musket 13:19
Malefic 13:37
Mayakashi 14:05
Mikanko 14:50
Myutant 15:08
Nepthys 15:39
Noble Knight 16:05
S-force 16:44
Shiranui 17:17
Simourgh 17:45
Stardust 18:16
Satellarknight 18:52
Summoned Skull 19:14
Sylvan 19:30
Ursartic 20:04
Valmonica 20:31
Vampire 20:58
Vylon 21:20
Water Dragon/ H2O 21:38
Wind Witch 22:02
Ordering: 22:20
Just gonna comment on the archetypes I have played a fair amount
Cardians: They need more of everything, main deck monsters that arent just complete bricks and a new extra deck card to finish it up. They need a play style which isnt just FTK or bust
Graydle: They need a way of going first, they have plenty of snatch effects but can hardly use any of them since going first they're useless and going second they can get completely stomped by 1 negate
Hazy Flame: They need better spell traps, maybe a main deck monster or two. The rank 6 tool box is alright, they need to be able to do more with their turn and their backrow needs to do more than just let you normal summon without tribute
I been waiting for Vylon support for years, and ill never stop. I love all the indirect support over the years, like generic equips, generic machine/fairy support, and of course the ABC Unions, and now even the newest XYZ union retrains, but with all that said, i still need my direct support!! We got a new card called Omega Judgement not too long ago, but despite vylon omega being in the card art, and the name omega Judgement coming directly from Omega himself, AND the effect of the card being designed to specifically synergize with Vylons by triggering vylon element, it still isnt "technically" a Vylon card, because they didn't name it "Vylon Omegas Judgment". Now to me, it of course is still a Vylon card, and in fact it's the first and only Vylon Trap to ever exist, but still, that trap was not enough for Vylon, we deserve more in the form of direct support.
@iamcarnitas we found another Vylon supporter
Cyber Dragons is my absolute favorite archetype of all time. They really really need an additional link 1 and 2 to replace Salamangreat Almiraj and Verte Anaconda, a field spell, and a few retrains for older cards that don’t serve the archetype. A way to search continues spell/traps and field spells that mention machine (like clockwork night or Overload Future Fusion) would be the cherry on top, but thats probly some fever dream.
I also love ABCs! They definitely need at least a link 1 or 2 to help gather your pieces more efficiently when you brick, and a way for you to summon light machines from the banished pile easily and consistently, otherwise you loose all your pieces and follow up off of one negate. It’d be nice to have different combination fusion monsters like A+B, or A+C for more versatility too. Otherwise, ABC is a very solid and capable deck.
The sad truth is that the only way to make a lot of these archetypes better, is to take away most of their uniqueness, and make them more focused on interrupting your opponent's play. Because that's what the current state of play heavily favors. And any deck that's only focusing on advancing it's own strat is going to get out paced by all the decks that do both at the same time.
I agree man, as an ursarctic and Nephtys player I admit that they are very flawed in its core mechanic and the only way to improve them is making custom cards that completely ignore their playstyle
Unless they go for the tenpai dragon route and focus ok protecting themselves from opponents interruptions and go for big monsters but it only work for the aggressive type of decks
Magical Musketeers just needs something to not be normal summon reliant.
At the moment the deck has an interesting trap toolbox but as i said the problem is stinking a monster on field to get the ball rolling.
Probably an archetypical rota and an E Tele to also trigger the effects.
Max is absurdly strong going second but the deck has no way to go second besides an unsearchable card (Link into the V Rains) because Max is prime handtrap target.
it's crazy that battlin boxer is not mention like those guy need another extra deck monster and an actual gameplan other than setup one negate
What they need most is a searchable Rank-Up Spell. Actually absurd they still have to rely on Barian's Force for their new boss monster.
Everyone always forgets Dark Scorpions in old archetype lists.
Don zaloog even forgot he’s supposed to be one
It makes me sad, because the pieces for a Summoned Skull archetype IS THERE. 4 different methods to support the vanilla, by giving all the Summoned Skulls protections and more ATK, and the Ritual being only weak against other Rituals, but theres just no end goal, beside this TERRIBLE Link called Linkmail Archfiend, and there is no easy way to actually make the ED cards. So they would need some main deck cards, maybe a combo thatll work with Harmonic Synchro Fusion so you can drop Call and Manifestation for two 3k attackers that can't be targeted. If anything, Piercing the Darkness is sick with them though, because you're using Summoned Skull for most of their plays anyway, so they get the boost, and the card draw.
A rank 6 turbo engine would be cool
Isn't the synchro a pain in the ass to summon with Summoned Skull as a material because they're the same level? The other ones that care about levels don't have that problem. Not that it matters, they don't really do much anyways.
Alien has a few good cards, I think they just don't want to make Bagooska at home turbo a good deck. Also they have to design around Snake Rain existing, so they can't give them good floaters unless they have very harsh restrictions.
I love how the ONLY deck in the "FIX?" tier is a literal arguably meta deck 💀
when somebody mentions a deck/archetype in the comments, I will mention it in the next video and someone did mention mikanko
Jurrac desperately needs support!! Hasn't gotten any support in years!
I hope i see toons here theyre hella underpowered and need new support even if its just its own toon new toon monsters.
No Infernity ? (They need 10+ cards imo) Also what Ursarctic needs is an errata so you can't normal summon them in order to make Ursatron a non self-destructing deck.
A dino pend tuner or two would be nice. I love some of those cards and use them in like all of my decks.
Gusto is a reversed tenpai dragon - battle phase deck that want to get hit. Love the art much more then ritual beasts but there is no hope for them.
I love aromages and pure aromas are kind of decent after the last wave of support but probably the real problem with them is that they need better interactions. Rosemary link and the fusion are good for removal but they dont do much on the oponents turn probably a link 4 for marjoram giving them some kind of interaction like turn one effect of your opponent into gaining lp. Like i said they have good protection and removal, and really good starters and extenders but lack good interruptions and interaction in the oponents turn, thats why they usually run the rikka package to have the good interruptions rikkas have.
I just want hieratic support that doesn’t just turn into dragonlink
What we need is a going first card that searches our back row so we can still get things done after getting ashed.
Additionally for Simorghs, in order to compensate for the lack of the link 3, they should print a link 1 and 2 that loop themselves from field and GY whenever a Winged Beast monster is tributed to activate the effect of a winged beast AND if a WB monster was used as tribute for a Tribute Summon, maintaining field presence.
Vaalmonica could be a top tier contender with 1 more card
The lack of Karakuri and Geargia on both lists is highly disrespectful...
Congrats you’re the only one to mention those 2 archetypes in both videos. I’ll be sure to mention them in a part 3
@@DJMama97 Those little guys are my babies, and I grow more irritated Konami gives arcetypes like Allure Queen support over the Gear boys. I'll definitely be waiting.
Please Konomi just give umbral horror literally anything (It's been over a decade)
Hi, it’s me, the guy who likes Duston
Where are Neo-Spacians!?!?!?
They have in-house anti hand trap and are supported by favorite hero and etc. So they're fine, and they'll get support.
Lavals need an in archetype way to search rekindling, all of their spell/traps and their monsters. And maybe 1 or two more extra deck monsters and they will be decent by casual standards at least. They could also errata lavaval chain to require 2 laval monsters to make him and then unban him.
As a pure deck I would put aliens in the highest tier. Most of their main deck cards are far too slow by modern standards. They need way more main deck searchers and extenders and maybe 1 more extra deck monster.
Summon Skull isn't too hard to fix.
they need a continuous spell that cheats out the normal one from hand, deck, grave or banishment, plus rota for small monsters (i will call baby skulls).
a few monsters level 3 tuners that special other level 3 baby skulls that can modulate things by 3 levels so you can go into the xyz or synchro.
(have all the babys skulls count as summon skull on field and in grave)
field spell to protect them and loop resources.
so like around 10-12 main decks cards, I feel this won't make them meta but would at least be consistent.
you could even make a link and stronger extra deck versions (level/rank 9).
10-12 cards isn't an easy fix that's over an 8th of a whole set lol
The current Summoned Skull extra deck guys and ritual don't do anything, though. Giving minor boosts/protection and float into a vanilla isn't nearly enough to make the deck usable, even on a casual level. They need some new bosses to replace the old ones, as well. The fusion literally just gives a 500 attack boost, that's crap.
Any token can be summoned for the tribute.
Ok either I'm blind and can't find Metaphys or its just not on here
You’re the only one so far to mention them
@@DJMama97 Damn
Icejade really needs onw...
i think i talked about Icajade in the previous video, so thats why its not here
Chess Archfiend: "I think there's no hope"
Duston: "Multiple support waves and errata to their old cards..."
We live in a society.....🤡
Are you challenging me?
Day 872 waiting for NOT BROKEN support for Venom.
you just gave me another archetype for part 3
@@DJMama97 You're welcome, sir.
So true, so true, although if you look at it, is not trap tracks just custom build to trigger rise of the snake deity?
Is this the point of Ragnaraika??
THANKYOU FOR LISTEN ME, I ASKED FOR MY CONSTELLAR/TELLAR CARDS
glad you enjoyed my friend
If you're going to say needs 10 plus cars might as well. Just say the architect needs to be rebooted which could apply to any of the ones that you claim can't be saved.
I'm pretty sure Tenpai dragon which is the strongest archetype currently has less than 10 cards in their archetype.
Here's a suggestion for a potential part 3. Jinzo. Imo it's 1 of those archetypes that would be easy to fix despite being very bad in modern yugioh. Simply print a floodgate that reads "all monsters the opponent controls are treated as trap cards while this card is face-up on the field". Heck might even be the first continuous spell floodgate in the game lol (idk if one already exists or not obviously). Easy fix cuz now all the monsters and trap cards (or lack there of) are now negated by jinzo, but like if we chose to never go that route then Jinzo honestly fails to function in modern yugioh since trap cards are like almost never played outside of dedicated trap decks. And even then most of those trap decks have easy outs to jinzo himself nowadays, lab has lovely and the field spell to pop jinzo, traptrix have their link 3 to negate and/or pop Jinzo, and eldlich has golden lords hand effect to just send jinzo to gy. Jinzo needs help is all I'm sayin.
That certainly is an archetype that needs support
I approve of this
glad to have your approval
Abyss Actors?
time to add them for part 3
As an avid player of flower cardian, definitely either better spells and traps, or maybe a couple more extra deck guys...or maybe more main decks, you know, you were right on with just a few cards, lol
Also RIP the chess archfiends, then again, you could always look at it that you have no hope *against* the deck, ehhh, ehhhhhhhh?
your copium tanks are never empty huh
You have watched me duel, so you know the answer to that one
they need lvl4 synchro monsters and since they are based on the hanafuda card combos monnviewing and cherryblossom viewing are missing and they need more spell traps in the design that is recardination so they give you advantage even if discarded making the deck less gambling. pendulum monsters would work for that but I would be just fine if they would have a card that prevents the eneemy from tributing/fusioning the lightshower and lighttorch away
you skipped lair of darkness.
It’s in the previous video
Still no Hydrogeddon Oxygeddon smh my head
What are you talking about they’re part of the water dragon cluster/ h2o stuff
@@DJMama97 crap sorry, was stupid asleep at the time I posted this. I accept the blame
Sleep well. Apology accepted
@@DJMama97 thanks bro. Also appreciate putting em in there. Their art's so cool I really wish they'd get some flash support like allure queen out of nowhere
vylons
Yes they are in the video
Why stumble and mumble through yhr intro like that. Yoi are recording this, brother. Do a second take.