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Try using the depth probe to find the compaction layer 1st, then run the inline ripper about 1 to 2 inches below that. Just a thought. I like to do test strips as wide as the planter..
We don't have a compaction probe. It would probably be nice to have one. When I am probing tiles, I don't feel like I ever sense a compaction layer, but I might not have the right mindset when probing.
The occasional deep ripping makes sense and might pay off in the yields. Keep records on where and how deep, and track of it for next year. and itll pull up those prehistoric Boulders for picking. 15:30
Most of the boulders have been claimed... I think. I mapped these passes in the GPS. If it's effective enough to justify the pass, you probably wouldn't even need it mapped to see the target area.
@@dmiller9786 I have some amazing girl farmer daughters who would not appreciate your comment. Not offended though, but the fastest growth in our industry is females managing farms and ranches.
Do you have a compaction problem? Digging a hole with a shovel will give you a great visualization of what's happening in your soil Compaction is one of my biggest challenges in reducing tillage on our soil. A ripper like that is a great transition tool until the soil is healthy enough to not get compacted That looks like a great tool to make a ripper stripper out of! Get a fertilizer cart behind that thing and that is your fault tillage or spring tillage some of your fertilizer application.
There are some guys that run a strip tillage bars that put on dry fertilizer at the same time. Most farmers would avoid banding any form of fertilizer this deep, though. It takes too long for a seedling to get 12-20" into the ground!
@aTrippyFarmer oh yeah, no, you wouldn't put your fertilizer that deep. The guys down south have some pretty hard clay, they will strip till at 16 or 18 inches, and the fertilizer will come out around that 6, 7 in
@aTrippyFarmer using the shovel tells you a lot, how your soil breaks apart, what it looks like tells you what your structure is like. How susceptible to compaction, how well water can move... Worm count, good healthy soil you should have a half a dozen in each cubic foot. How hard did the shovel go down. Atmosphere can't penetrate 200psi soil, soil life is anaerobic, it needs air.
One thing worth trying is ripping tree lines/roots and headlands and grain cart approaches. If you could share your ab lines with the co op and apply nh3 right where you inlined ripped. Basically putting your gas in a compaction free zone where you roots get deeper following shank especially if you plant right over it. Not sure if it matches your soil but usually ripping 15 inches or more alows a line ripper to full shatter shank to shank on 30 in spaced. Grab your backhoe and shovel and dig a couple soil pits. Roots will show what your tillage does. On farm research is always the best!
I would be afraid that my nitrogen would be more prone to leaching if it was in the tillage cavity. That is where most of the excess water would permeate, theoretically.
Still waiting for that inch plus rain!! Some guys been doing a little working today, oir retailer was taking nh3 tanks between Charleston and westfield yesterday and maybe today, guy had 350 acres he wanted to do, someone else called said thry could do it but might not have enough when they ran out they are out of nh3!!
It's been another great fall for the retailers and the tile guys. New pickup trucks for all next spring! In all seriousness, it needs to start raining here soon. We need subsoil moisture almost every summer.
On paper, you are correct. Logistics and pricing also play a role in the equation. I don't like any type of shank in the spring, especially with NH3, excluding sidedress.
It's hard to say for certain because no year is the same. It seems to have made a significant impact. However, this field is subject to so much standing water that it needs even more drainage work on top of this. We were able to raise our best corn to date on this farm two seasons ago, and I think this system helped with that.
Hello! High speed ripping demands an insane amount of power per shank! So, fuel consumption is increased almost exponentially! Besides, tractor integrity will be at risk! The tougher the job, the slower the better (3 to 5 mph)...
why not dig a selected number of holes in the field to see the actual effects of soil compaction to determine whether the deep tillage implement would be beneficial to the field rather than waiting till the next year to measure benefit by crop yield? The deep tillage implement will not be the only contributor to crop yield. It seems to me that it will be difficult to isolate the benefit of said implement when considering crop yield.
The only thing that matters is revenue and expense. If the pass creates a positive yield response based on harvest data versus its cost, it is worth doing. You can dig all of the holes you want, but that combine data is worth infinitely times more for decision making. It would be interesting to see a side view of the soil profile!
A farm I worked on always “ripped” every field in the fall because of the reasons you shared....removed compaction etc etc...THEN, they went to ‘Minimum” tillage, sold all the ripping equipment and saw NO decrease in yields....confused!!! What is the correct practice
I have seen some similar things on a few farms. I think there is enough evidence to constantly try the alternatives, but I am not completely sold on conventional tillage being worthless.
2017 got to wet gassed some first few days of December, then was done december 22nd was back gassing dry and dusty, ran till the 24th finished last tank that morning was odd having retailor say the 23rd wjere do you want tanks were not working the 24th, put tje first tank on thst day 67 degrees 2 tanks later it was 30 and wind blowing
I do believe fall NH3 price contracts expire here on December 31st. Most of the time, you lose quite a price advantage if they lapse, but not always. This video was filmed a while ago. It was very early when we started the bars. I believe still October. At the time, we thought it was going to rain and get wet. The forecast have been so wrong for so long at this point... it's almost comical!
@@agger838 I damn sure started to say that too but held back . Hell I'd be smoking some of that devils lettuce in one hand answering a phone with the other and a mind full of good ole Columbian marching powder while jamming to uncle Ted nugent and press the WRONG F ING BUTTON. just once . Then work on it the rest of the day . Got down
What in the hell are you doing trying to pulls that thing at 7 mph? You are going way too fast! Slow down to 5 mph and the bouncing will stop and you'll keep the ripper in the ground and do an overall better job!
Agree to disagree. If you're not pushing a tractor to the high end of it's power curve at all times, you are wasting money through unnecessary depreciation. The ripper probably could do a better job at a slower speed, but you're splitting hairs.
I would disagree. The fracture is better with speed. Many run 5mph because 7mph apparently is scary, the have the horsepower to do more as well very often.
Appreciate the sarcasm Andy, but if you'd like to trade places with a union member who is on their feet for a 12hr shift assembling the tractor or combine you SIT in and don't even have to steer, I'm sure you'd welcome the break.😉
I enjoy the occasional Union joke. It is all in good fun! I do think many self-employed individuals would happily take your pay, benefits, insurance, etc.. in a heartbeat if their home was close enough to a factory. The biggest winner between all of us is Mother Deere, not you or I.
Been on both sides of that argument. Definitely a much different life on the farm than in a union job. You are paid for each hour. A lot of thankless ones in ag. Definitely mother deere is the winner.
No “thanks for tuning in. I greatly appreciate your support for the channel. Please like, subscribe, comment, you know I love to talk about farming. peace” ….. wow, that felt weird 😮
That’s not recreational tillage. Actually, that’s one hell of a tool. It seems like it does a lot with minimal disturbance. When we take on new ground, we run a huge single shank rig affectionally called the earth Quaker, that takes 2 D-11’s to get through the field. Maybe do some tile work, despite tile being more of a symptom, not the disease itself. It has its place. I’d love to see you put out a heavy cereal rye cover crop now. Combined with the lifting that tool did, the results would be amazing, and you get a nice crop insurance premium reduction that covers the cost of the seed.
If you're not pulling something as fast as effectively possible, you are quite literally wasting money. They don't trade per acre worked... it is per engine hour.
My dad and uncles want nothing to do with livestock after growing up with a large herd. Row crop farming is too easy and profitable to justify adding cattle back.
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Try using the depth probe to find the compaction layer 1st, then run the inline ripper about 1 to 2 inches below that. Just a thought. I like to do test strips as wide as the planter..
We don't have a compaction probe. It would probably be nice to have one. When I am probing tiles, I don't feel like I ever sense a compaction layer, but I might not have the right mindset when probing.
Any results on the in line ripper yield?
The occasional deep ripping makes sense and might pay off in the yields. Keep records on where and how deep, and track of it for next year. and itll pull up those prehistoric Boulders for picking. 15:30
Most of the boulders have been claimed... I think. I mapped these passes in the GPS. If it's effective enough to justify the pass, you probably wouldn't even need it mapped to see the target area.
Great video Andy!
Appreciate it!
Yes it does help
I fully support Marty and his recreational tillage.
I’ve been to a few seminars put on by a guy named Gabe Brown, and the term “recreational tillage” is used to describe the actions of a lot of farmers.
Perhaps many are farming with twenty-something sons and need a bit of 'me' time?
He usually doesn't run much tillage himself unless we are short-staffed!
@@dmiller9786 I have some amazing girl farmer daughters who would not appreciate your comment. Not offended though, but the fastest growth in our industry is females managing farms and ranches.
Do you have a compaction problem? Digging a hole with a shovel will give you a great visualization of what's happening in your soil
Compaction is one of my biggest challenges in reducing tillage on our soil. A ripper like that is a great transition tool until the soil is healthy enough to not get compacted
That looks like a great tool to make a ripper stripper out of! Get a fertilizer cart behind that thing and that is your fault tillage or spring tillage some of your fertilizer application.
There are some guys that run a strip tillage bars that put on dry fertilizer at the same time. Most farmers would avoid banding any form of fertilizer this deep, though. It takes too long for a seedling to get 12-20" into the ground!
@aTrippyFarmer oh yeah, no, you wouldn't put your fertilizer that deep.
The guys down south have some pretty hard clay, they will strip till at 16 or 18 inches, and the fertilizer will come out around that 6, 7 in
@aTrippyFarmer using the shovel tells you a lot, how your soil breaks apart, what it looks like tells you what your structure is like. How susceptible to compaction, how well water can move...
Worm count, good healthy soil you should have a half a dozen in each cubic foot.
How hard did the shovel go down. Atmosphere can't penetrate 200psi soil, soil life is anaerobic, it needs air.
I need this job of driving please
One thing worth trying is ripping tree lines/roots and headlands and grain cart approaches. If you could share your ab lines with the co op and apply nh3 right where you inlined ripped. Basically putting your gas in a compaction free zone where you roots get deeper following shank especially if you plant right over it. Not sure if it matches your soil but usually ripping 15 inches or more alows a line ripper to full shatter shank to shank on 30 in spaced. Grab your backhoe and shovel and dig a couple soil pits. Roots will show what your tillage does. On farm research is always the best!
I would be afraid that my nitrogen would be more prone to leaching if it was in the tillage cavity. That is where most of the excess water would permeate, theoretically.
@@aTrippyFarmer yall do all your nh3 in the fall or some in the spring also?
Still waiting for that inch plus rain!! Some guys been doing a little working today, oir retailer was taking nh3 tanks between Charleston and westfield yesterday and maybe today, guy had 350 acres he wanted to do, someone else called said thry could do it but might not have enough when they ran out they are out of nh3!!
It's been another great fall for the retailers and the tile guys. New pickup trucks for all next spring! In all seriousness, it needs to start raining here soon. We need subsoil moisture almost every summer.
Great info!
Thanks!!
Logic says not to put in AmmoniaNH3 until closer to planting. 4:08
On paper, you are correct. Logistics and pricing also play a role in the equation. I don't like any type of shank in the spring, especially with NH3, excluding sidedress.
Just curious If you saw any measurable yield difference.
It's hard to say for certain because no year is the same. It seems to have made a significant impact. However, this field is subject to so much standing water that it needs even more drainage work on top of this. We were able to raise our best corn to date on this farm two seasons ago, and I think this system helped with that.
Did you check to see how deep your compaction layer is?
It's deep enough that I couldn't see it!
Hello! High speed ripping demands an insane amount of power per shank! So, fuel consumption is increased almost exponentially! Besides, tractor integrity will be at risk!
The tougher the job, the slower the better (3 to 5 mph)...
It was about to rain... time was limited!
@@aTrippyFarmer 👌
You need to get rid of them wide points and use the narrow ones
why not dig a selected number of holes in the field to see the actual effects of soil compaction to determine whether the deep tillage implement would be beneficial to the field rather than waiting till the next year to measure benefit by crop yield? The deep tillage implement will not be the only contributor to crop yield. It seems to me that it will be difficult to isolate the benefit of said implement when considering crop yield.
The only thing that matters is revenue and expense. If the pass creates a positive yield response based on harvest data versus its cost, it is worth doing. You can dig all of the holes you want, but that combine data is worth infinitely times more for decision making. It would be interesting to see a side view of the soil profile!
A farm I worked on always “ripped” every field in the fall because of the reasons you shared....removed compaction etc etc...THEN, they went to ‘Minimum” tillage, sold all the ripping equipment and saw NO decrease in yields....confused!!! What is the correct practice
I have seen some similar things on a few farms. I think there is enough evidence to constantly try the alternatives, but I am not completely sold on conventional tillage being worthless.
2017 got to wet gassed some first few days of December, then was done december 22nd was back gassing dry and dusty, ran till the 24th finished last tank that morning was odd having retailor say the 23rd wjere do you want tanks were not working the 24th, put tje first tank on thst day 67 degrees 2 tanks later it was 30 and wind blowing
I do believe fall NH3 price contracts expire here on December 31st. Most of the time, you lose quite a price advantage if they lapse, but not always. This video was filmed a while ago. It was very early when we started the bars. I believe still October. At the time, we thought it was going to rain and get wet. The forecast have been so wrong for so long at this point... it's almost comical!
You need to run the combine every few weeks to keep the batteries charged and engine lubricant distributed. 😊
A wash pad with a settling tank, would be a great idea.
Great minds think alike!
My pro tip was I always ran my wings backwards from lift or a remote far away. Sometime u f around and find out.
Same way for the grain cart auger fold
@@agger838 I damn sure started to say that too but held back . Hell I'd be smoking some of that devils lettuce in one hand answering a phone with the other and a mind full of good ole Columbian marching powder while jamming to uncle Ted nugent and press the WRONG F ING BUTTON. just once . Then work on it the rest of the day . Got down
I do that on the grain cart like the other comment said. You don't want the slide and the fold to be too close together... 🤣
Oh no, a cliff hanger!
Tune back in 12 months to see the results! 🤣
What in the hell are you doing trying to pulls that thing at 7 mph? You are going way too fast! Slow down to 5 mph and the bouncing will stop and you'll keep the ripper in the ground and do an overall better job!
Agree to disagree. If you're not pushing a tractor to the high end of it's power curve at all times, you are wasting money through unnecessary depreciation. The ripper probably could do a better job at a slower speed, but you're splitting hairs.
I would disagree. The fracture is better with speed. Many run 5mph because 7mph apparently is scary, the have the horsepower to do more as well very often.
Why not do your own anhydrous instead of doing recreational tillage
That's no fun!
Appreciate the sarcasm Andy, but if you'd like to trade places with a union member who is on their feet for a 12hr shift assembling the tractor or combine you SIT in and don't even have to steer, I'm sure you'd welcome the break.😉
I enjoy the occasional Union joke. It is all in good fun! I do think many self-employed individuals would happily take your pay, benefits, insurance, etc.. in a heartbeat if their home was close enough to a factory. The biggest winner between all of us is Mother Deere, not you or I.
Been on both sides of that argument. Definitely a much different life on the farm than in a union job. You are paid for each hour. A lot of thankless ones in ag. Definitely mother deere is the winner.
No “thanks for tuning in. I greatly appreciate your support for the channel. Please like, subscribe, comment, you know I love to talk about farming. peace” ….. wow, that felt weird 😮
It was either that or a 50 minute video!
Right idea
Wrong machine!
Deep ripper isn’t a Sub soiler !
One day Andy
One day
I’m just here to read what the pros have to say
I only post videos to gather intel from the commenters. I'm actually from China!
@@aTrippyFarmer sneaky Gina man
That’s not recreational tillage. Actually, that’s one hell of a tool. It seems like it does a lot with minimal disturbance.
When we take on new ground, we run a huge single shank rig affectionally called the earth Quaker, that takes 2 D-11’s to get through the field. Maybe do some tile work, despite tile being more of a symptom, not the disease itself. It has its place.
I’d love to see you put out a heavy cereal rye cover crop now. Combined with the lifting that tool did, the results would be amazing, and you get a nice crop insurance premium reduction that covers the cost of the seed.
What the heck ran into your beak? That looks like it was not too enjoyable.
I had a small chunk of skin cancer removed. It doesn't look great!
@@aTrippyFarmerlooks good enough, especially knowing the cancer was removed!
CHERRY...... Killing a 620hp tractor just is attributed to operator skill/or LACK of.
I'm lucky to get my shoes tied correctly most days!
You don’t need to pull shit so fast. Jesus Christ drop a gear and let the tractor not work so hard
If you're not pulling something as fast as effectively possible, you are quite literally wasting money. They don't trade per acre worked... it is per engine hour.
You guys need some livestock
My dad and uncles want nothing to do with livestock after growing up with a large herd. Row crop farming is too easy and profitable to justify adding cattle back.