Nice to see you promoting these Rodger, there's a few other heat guru types on RUclips making out these things aren't any good whilst yamming on about the effect on flow rates... what good are effin flow rates when your boilers heat exchanger is rotting away full of black sludge?! I always powerflush the system then fit a magnetic filter, double bubble protection and no call backs or premature wear 👍🏻
Nice one Roger..... Worth mentioning to check on your system pressure afterwards...... If you've managed to lose a bit of water or drained some down to get an inhibitor in, a quick peek at the gauge after for peace of mind.
That's a pretty neat device! We just use inline Y strainers in Canada, but I can see where a magnet filter would definitely grab the finer particulates, iron and rust that would possibly get through a strainer.
Filters are always good to have on the system the only one that incudes a filter with there boiler is baxi with its 800 series a magnaclean micro 2 by fitting it give the boiler its 10 year warranty
Fingers crossed the isolation valves on the boiler and/or magnetic filter don't leak. Also remember to have £15+ seal kit on standby for when the lid leaks. If you manage to get the lid back on without a leak pray to God you don't put too much pressure on those compression joints holding the mag filter on. 🙏🏻 Best of luck folks
Slightly surprised how much sludge (Iron filings) that had collected, my one had a thin layer when I did it a few months ago (Although the whole system is 3 years old so probably due to that).
Got mine in when I got my boiler and fuck me it's been cleaned 3 times fills with filings. Had all rads replaced with double walled rads 3 years ago and replaced bathroom with one of those towel rack rads. Can't believe the amount of black iron sludge it's picked up in 5 years. probably 350grams total. Rust inhibitor sounds like an idea
Good wee video Roger. Its a Grant Vortex MagOne filter I always fit. You did well to highlight how crap those magnaclean filters are, so well done, as in most of the time you struggle to switch the valves off, theyre often stiff, you cant see which way to turn them or when theyre off or on, the big spanner is usually thrown away or lost and the cap often wont budge so you take a hammer and screwdriver to it. Sometimes unscrewing the filter from the valves is required and they are notorious for cross threading. Best just chuck the MagnaClean clean in the bin 👍🏼 you majorly boobed by not cleaning and greasing the cap washer 🤠
Good Advice Roger we have one fitted by the gas board many years ago recently I have had to top up my Worcester green combi boiler a few times we have a gas service contract and they came out and said that the pressure vessel needed pumping up he did it but the pressure is still down ( in your opinion) should they have replaced it as this have been pumped up a few times over the last few years
Very often it is just the core on the Schraeder valve that needs changing. You can buy a packet of them from Halfords, cheap as chips. If water comes out of the valve that suggests a leak but it is rare.
Problem is when the valves leak ect and you want more money from the customer to fix it. They then say you said x amount to service boiler! Boilers are the only thing that people think is a fixed price job(done properly it’s not!) You Should clarify £80 is not supplied and fitted too. Lucky to buy one for £80
I didn't check the price and, to be honest, I never check the price when I put things on my account. I have probably done myself over the years on all kinds of things.
@@SkillBuilder Worcster filters for warranty are robbery. Should do a vid on the best/accessible/serviceable filters. Personally tf1 omegas. Very easy to actually service and call back free. No seals needed ect. Love your vids Rodger. More rants tho please!
Surely it makes more sense to stop the black sludge forming in the first place, rather than just letting the radiators corrode away and continually cleaning up the debris. This black stuff is Magnetite an oxide of iron and it is caused by Oxygen reacting with the Iron in the system. Stop the oxygen getting in and hey presto no more black sludge and no need for a filter. Tell tale sign, your customer says "yes I do have to top up the pressure now and again" which is continually adding fresh water with dissolved Oxygen in it.
Hi John Black rust is not such an issue. Once the free oxygen has been boiled out the rust turns from active orange to a more benign black. If the system is being topped up regularly the oxide is usually rust coloured.
This is similar to a magnetic oil plug on a car. Back in the 90’s working minute lube I would find them on 1% of cars. And about 1 in 10 would be covered in metal chips.
Yes , my BMC with the unit engine /gearbox always had a cluster of iron filings. That is why I changed teh oil every 3000 miles. Compare that to todays service intervals.
Great advice as always. I'm having some plastering done and so removing a number of radiators. I will obviously need to add extra inhibitor when the rads go back and I guess it would be a good time to check the magnet and top up from there? I would usually check it in the summer, but it doesn't take long and is very easy.
Why does my filter keep filling with air? Engineer released air from it a few days ago during a visit and it ran much quieter (less running water noise). But after a couple of days it has started doing it again, so assume more air has got back in there
my annoyance is they're just short of 500ml so you never quite get the bottle of inhibitor all in one go. on the other side of things they're so basic and yet very effective, i always recommend fitting one if i see a system without one, £80 to keep your boiler running smoother and longer is far cheaper than a new boiler
Had a Fernox filter fitted when the boiler was replaced. It leaked from everywhere. They may have improved the design since but wouldn't buy another one.
I have underfloor heating so everything is plastic apart from the manifold, pump and boiler itself of course. Since there are no steel radiators in tje systrm is there really any point in fitting one of these? A plumber who serviced my boiler said there was, another said not.....
It all comes down to the warranty. If the manufacturer voids the warranty because there is no filter it could be an issue but I suppose if the fault is not system contamination you should be fine.
The ones I've seen of these have a drain top and bottom so you can easily drain that of water to refill with inhibitor. Don't forget to open the valves though and don't do this cleaning whilst the system is running. Ideally wait until everything has cooled down or it's going to be pretty uncomfortable.
Thart standard cost £60.00 to purchase and they will do us for copyright if we reproduce it. I am not happy about the sale of information, British Standards also cost a forturne.
Every time you drain the system then when you refill you introduce clean water which has the richest oxygen content - which promotes corrosion. Therefore avoid draining down unless you really have to.
Marvellous invention . Our 3 year old new build didn’t have one fitted by the cheap skate house builder, would you recommend us having one fitted soon ? 😬🧱👍🏽
Marvellous invention . Our 3 year old new build didn’t have one fitted by the cheap skate house builder, would you recommend us having one fitted soon ? 😬🧱👍🏽
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Nice to see you promoting these Rodger, there's a few other heat guru types on RUclips making out these things aren't any good whilst yamming on about the effect on flow rates... what good are effin flow rates when your boilers heat exchanger is rotting away full of black sludge?! I always powerflush the system then fit a magnetic filter, double bubble protection and no call backs or premature wear 👍🏻
Nice one Roger..... Worth mentioning to check on your system pressure afterwards...... If you've managed to lose a bit of water or drained some down to get an inhibitor in, a quick peek at the gauge after for peace of mind.
yes you are right, we try to keep it as short as possible but that should have gone in
That's a pretty neat device! We just use inline Y strainers in Canada, but I can see where a magnet filter would definitely grab the finer particulates, iron and rust that would possibly get through a strainer.
I’m in Canada and have a magnet strainer. It’s a good idea to have one.
I have a fetish for magnets
I don't know why, I just find them attractive.
I’m not a plumber, but have added these to two systems. Have transformed them. No more black water in the rads.
Just had a new boiler fitted with one of these. My old one had these lumps on the pipes that were impossible to clean.
Thank you that was very informative.
We had one of these fitted recently and I wanted to know what it does. (different model though)
What about non metallic particulates ?
Thank Roger. He have seen these and now it makes sense. Also like the inhibitor tip 👍🏻
Filters are always good to have on the system the only one that incudes a filter with there boiler is baxi with its 800 series a magnaclean micro 2 by fitting it give the boiler its 10 year warranty
You missed the cleaning the chamber.
This catches non iron particles.
Must try harder 6/10😜
Fingers crossed the isolation valves on the boiler and/or magnetic filter don't leak. Also remember to have £15+ seal kit on standby for when the lid leaks.
If you manage to get the lid back on without a leak pray to God you don't put too much pressure on those compression joints holding the mag filter on.
🙏🏻
Best of luck folks
What a cheerful outlook on life
@@SkillBuilder Roger you've been in the industry long enough to know these can be a nightmare. A realist like yourself can surely recognise that
wha a doom merchant 😀
Fernox filter is much better
Thoughts on adding one to a 9 year old system? My gas engineer said it wasnt worth adding since it has inhibitor in.
I would add one and I bet you pick up loads of sludge.
I've got one of the old ones where you can't drain the pot you have to try and scoop out the water.
Slightly surprised how much sludge (Iron filings) that had collected, my one had a thin layer when I did it a few months ago (Although the whole system is 3 years old so probably due to that).
Got mine in when I got my boiler and fuck me it's been cleaned 3 times fills with filings. Had all rads replaced with double walled rads 3 years ago and replaced bathroom with one of those towel rack rads. Can't believe the amount of black iron sludge it's picked up in 5 years. probably 350grams total. Rust inhibitor sounds like an idea
Good wee video Roger. Its a Grant Vortex MagOne filter I always fit. You did well to highlight how crap those magnaclean filters are, so well done, as in most of the time you struggle to switch the valves off, theyre often stiff, you cant see which way to turn them or when theyre off or on, the big spanner is usually thrown away or lost and the cap often wont budge so you take a hammer and screwdriver to it. Sometimes unscrewing the filter from the valves is required and they are notorious for cross threading. Best just chuck the MagnaClean clean in the bin 👍🏼 you majorly boobed by not cleaning and greasing the cap washer 🤠
I bet it will be fine
Good Advice Roger we have one fitted by the gas board many years ago recently I have had to top up my Worcester green combi boiler a few times we have a gas service contract and they came out and said that the pressure vessel needed pumping up he did it but the pressure is still down ( in your opinion) should they have replaced it as this have been pumped up a few times over the last few years
Very often it is just the core on the Schraeder valve that needs changing. You can buy a packet of them from Halfords, cheap as chips. If water comes out of the valve that suggests a leak but it is rare.
Hello, I have a boiler (diesel) with 1 inch water inlet pipe and 2.5 inch water circulation pipes. Where I should install the filter?
It usually goes on the return pipe to the boiler so it picks up debris before it goes into the boiler
@@SkillBuilder thank you
Just a reminder that your warranty for a new boiler requires that you have the boiler serviced every year.
Yes it is a bloody con
I always try not to flood my house!
Way too late for my elderly system, but point totally taken!
Replace your plastic filter with a TF1 Omega
Problem is when the valves leak ect and you want more money from the customer to fix it. They then say you said x amount to service boiler!
Boilers are the only thing that people think is a fixed price job(done properly it’s not!)
You Should clarify £80 is not supplied and fitted too. Lucky to buy one for £80
I didn't check the price and, to be honest, I never check the price when I put things on my account. I have probably done myself over the years on all kinds of things.
@@SkillBuilder
Worcster filters for warranty are robbery.
Should do a vid on the best/accessible/serviceable filters.
Personally tf1 omegas. Very easy to actually service and call back free. No seals needed ect.
Love your vids Rodger. More rants tho please!
typical, i did this yesterday.......
And flooded my house! 🤪🤪
Instructions unclear:
What do I do about the new swimming pool downstairs?
😁
Don't waste an opportunity... go for a swim.
Surely it makes more sense to stop the black sludge forming in the first place, rather than just letting the radiators corrode away and continually cleaning up the debris. This black stuff is Magnetite an oxide of iron and it is caused by Oxygen reacting with the Iron in the system. Stop the oxygen getting in and hey presto no more black sludge and no need for a filter.
Tell tale sign, your customer says "yes I do have to top up the pressure now and again" which is continually adding fresh water with dissolved Oxygen in it.
Hi John
Black rust is not such an issue. Once the free oxygen has been boiled out the rust turns from active orange to a more benign black. If the system is being topped up regularly the oxide is usually rust coloured.
Is there a reason he have a little roll of toilet on him?
Could it possibly be to try and wipe the black finger marks off the filter? Hmmm.
@@SkillBuilder I thought it was incase someone used it all in the porta potties.
whoever fitted that magnacle is just lazy. if he fitted another elbow, that hard to reach shut off valve would have been much easier for the user.
yes but there was a valve directly above it so it matters not a jot.
These are brilliant, had mine 5yrs and water is still clear, no radiator sludge.
This is similar to a magnetic oil plug on a car. Back in the 90’s working minute lube I would find them on 1% of cars. And about 1 in 10 would be covered in metal chips.
I don't know why they don't still make them magnetic.
Yes , my BMC with the unit engine /gearbox always had a cluster of iron filings. That is why I changed teh oil every 3000 miles. Compare that to todays service intervals.
Great advice as always. I'm having some plastering done and so removing a number of radiators. I will obviously need to add extra inhibitor when the rads go back and I guess it would be a good time to check the magnet and top up from there? I would usually check it in the summer, but it doesn't take long and is very easy.
This video has great timing - Just getting redy to have new boiler fitted and I will definitely get this addition - Many Thanks Roger.
Why does my filter keep filling with air? Engineer released air from it a few days ago during a visit and it ran much quieter (less running water noise). But after a couple of days it has started doing it again, so assume more air has got back in there
my annoyance is they're just short of 500ml so you never quite get the bottle of inhibitor all in one go. on the other side of things they're so basic and yet very effective, i always recommend fitting one if i see a system without one, £80 to keep your boiler running smoother and longer is far cheaper than a new boiler
Fernox do an F1 inhibitor and F3 cleaner concentrate in 265ml, they're excellent for dosing with the Adey MagnaClean micro or larger
@@jamesbrough7975 hadn't realised that, thanks!
Hi Roger
Can you recommend a mains water inlet filter?
That's exactly the same kit that I've got in mine
After watching you Bro, I have fitting 1 my self, I have been a Plumber since 1980s,
Would like to know your thoughts on VDI 2035. Any chance you might know of someone who has adopted it for their heating system.
'Don't flood your house' as I look up despairingly at the massive yellow stain in my celling from the last time I changed a Radiator :(
Very interesting 👍
Had a Fernox filter fitted when the boiler was replaced. It leaked from everywhere. They may have improved the design since but wouldn't buy another one.
It is not my favourite filter but I have not had leaks from the Fernox filters I have fitted. I just don't like the design.
Roger can a magnetic filter be fitted to a none pressurised system with a fire and back boiler.
Yes no problem. It must go on the return and I would go for a metal body
I have underfloor heating so everything is plastic apart from the manifold, pump and boiler itself of course. Since there are no steel radiators in tje systrm is there really any point in fitting one of these? A plumber who serviced my boiler said there was, another said not.....
It all comes down to the warranty. If the manufacturer voids the warranty because there is no filter it could be an issue but I suppose if the fault is not system contamination you should be fine.
Best to have it on there .. just for the warrentee!!
The ones I've seen of these have a drain top and bottom so you can easily drain that of water to refill with inhibitor. Don't forget to open the valves though and don't do this cleaning whilst the system is running. Ideally wait until everything has cooled down or it's going to be pretty uncomfortable.
BISRA 29 . Doubt anyone's even aware of it.
Thart standard cost £60.00 to purchase and they will do us for copyright if we reproduce it. I am not happy about the sale of information, British Standards also cost a forturne.
Roger, I wasn't insinuating you should personally, but I doubt most people are aware of it, let alone comply with it.
Thanks Roger for another great video, how often should the system be drained/cleaned and new inhibitor be added?
I would never drain a system unless you have to. You can take a sample of water to check for corrosion inhibitor. We will do a video on that.
@@SkillBuilder Yes, and is it true that you can put in too much inhibitor? I thought it was always best to put in plenty.
Every time you drain the system then when you refill you introduce clean water which has the richest oxygen content - which promotes corrosion. Therefore avoid draining down unless you really have to.
Aw, Roger. Why did you not say "don't flood your house" a minute earlier? Now I've gone and flooded my house!
Rewind the video and the water will go back into the pipe, everything is fixable in the movies
Marvellous invention .
Our 3 year old new build didn’t have one fitted by the cheap skate house builder, would you recommend us having one fitted soon ? 😬🧱👍🏽
Marvellous invention .
Our 3 year old new build didn’t have one fitted by the cheap skate house builder, would you recommend us having one fitted soon ? 😬🧱👍🏽
Hi Steve
I would certainly recommend it if you know a tame plumber
@@SkillBuilder 😉cheers Rog 🧱👍🏽