NEW IniBuilds A320 Neo - Better Than the A32NX FlyByWire? | Full Review
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The freeware FlyByWire A32NX has long been the best A320 Neo in MSFS 2020 - but now there is a new FREE A320 Neo available as part of SU15 - made by IniBuilds. So which one is better? Both are free and both have pro's and con's. In this video, we take an in depth look at this new aircraft to see which one we think is the better Airbus for MSFS 2020.
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I'm far from an expert on Airbus aircraft, but could the weird FD behaviour on take-off be due to the speed not having been set to managed mode? I also have no idea what the real aircraft would do in that situation
Totally agree with you. Using selected mode the a/c is doing exactly what's asked of it and prioritizing speed over climb. Unfortunately anyone watching this will get a bad impression now.
Ahhh you're right! I was testing the MiniFCU to see if it was working with this aircraft (which to some degree - it did) - BUT - I had pulled speed to select S speed and not pushed it back into Managed Mode...
This is why the FDs were commanding a low pitch on take off.
Great spot. Thank you.
I agree but now I’m wondering if this is the quality of the A350 we’re about to get .
BTW just finished a flight with pretty much the same TOW as on the video and also got a veeeery long take-off roll, while using flex 55
@@skyfall2442I doubt it. The A350 is going to be a full payware product.
Like compare the Free A310 with their payware A300. The A300 has a lot more details and features
I'm hoping Fenix will do a Neo family once they've released the A319/A321. Then we won't have to make that difficult decision of which to pick!
A little correction: The A32N itself already comes installed with SU15, you don´t even need to open the marketplace to get it. What you have installed via the Marketplace is the enhancement that adds the 4k textures and the cabin model.
This is what I was about to point out
Yes I worked that out eventually but I did waste about 20 minutes trying to find the base package in the Marketplace before looking at the installed aircraft!!! 😂😂😂
Many thanks for this, Gavin. Another Airbus for the simmers!! I have mentioned this before but where is FSLabs in the MSFS2020 world? Their last announcement was in July 2023 to the effect they were now focussing on MSFS. Have they ‘missed the boat’ now especially if the price tag is anything like it was previously!
Here is my brief review:
The good things:
The exterior model and texturing are good, though something about flaps feels a bit off, but still much much better than the default model that the FBW uses. Interior modeling is very good as well, the cabin may not be as detailed as Fenix, but it's actually quite close, as for the cockpit I would put it between Fenix and FWB. The cockpit is more interactive, you have most of the misc stuff like the table footrest sunshades etc. Despite it not being a study-level addon, I was genuinely surprised how many things were simulated, like doing the battery test and seeing the amps go down, the mcdu is ~90% complete to my knowledge, there were some misc things missing but overall good job with that. Avionics software is decent, in comparison to FBW you can actually do an rnav, though it's quite inaccurate, I haven't tested any of the normal law protections yet. Lastly, a small detail, but I could actually hear a difference between going 290kt and 340kt. At 340kt the wind noise is so loud I love it.
The bad things:
Though I like the audio features and I've heard most of the sound effects that I would expect, I have to say that the audio quality is poor. Some of the audio effects just don't sound right or accurate, sometimes they just stand out too much or sound very artificial/edited, and the engine sound sample is very mid. My second biggest complaint is poor performance, both FBW and Fenix are a lot more stable in my experience. Overall fps is fine I guess, but any time I switch the camera pan around etc I get very bad stutters. I'm also not a huge fan of the handling, I had to make something like 75% deflection on the sidestick to get the nose airborne on rotation, the flare felt kinda weird but I don't know how to describe it, the handling midair was fine, the ground handling imo is way too sensitive. I like that the mcdus are independent, but there is no use for it yet because ATSU and AOC are practically not implemented. And there are a bunch of small things like I hate the camera hitbox collision, it won't let me get it close to the window etc. Also despite having good flight deck modeling, I think the fonts are not right. I also had some peripheral hardware issues with the reversers but that might be a problem on my end.
So overall, I think ini looks better and in some aspects has better systems than fbw, but the fbw still has one of the best soundsets, it has imo the best efb ever, v1 announcements you can't beat that :) But the ini is a very good addon as well, I'm sure it will get some updates in the future, it's not easy to tell which one wins here.
So right the Sounds of the inibuilds are just trash
@@SammycraftHP Yeah I mean I could hear almost everything that I would expect, it's just that the sound quality is shit.
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@@iSellFentanylToLittleChildren mucho texto I know
Never had any issue with the FD. Love the new inibuilds V2 no issues yet. Would like a cabin and new liveries for Xbox though.
I agree I wish for more liveries
Do y'all use "travel to" feature with it? Never managed to, it always deletes my flight plan completely
For me - I prefer the FBW but mainly because I can use it with my CPFlight FCU, otherwise I would switch to the iniBuilds. I miss the secondary F-Pln and them having a wx radar is cool. I like that ini have modelled the dry crank cycle on engine start which is just like on the real thing where it takes ages to start too!
I don't see myself giving up the A32NX, no matter the visuals. The extra cabin sounds make such a huge difference in my experience that I'd just rather keep that.
Another thing: *No FS2Crew.*
FBW way better❤
@@SN57ONE yeah, another great point!
Done my first T/O tonight...it does seem very sluggish compared to the FBW, I think I might be staying flying with FBW!
My favorite between this two aircraft will be a combination of two of them. The MCDU from inbuilds and FBW A320N.
The main goal of the iniBuilds A320 NEO is to replace the default Asobo A320. And then as a standard aircraft for the upcoming MSFS2024.
I think they succeed in doing that if you take into consideration that it is a free aircraft available for PC and X-Box as well.
If you are a flight simmer coming from the FSX days, this new standard is phenomenal.
I can still vividly remember the horrific and mediocre models we had for that sim.
I remember flying the default 737 for a long time. Was actually a nice introduction to flight simming. Direct route, then vector my 12 year old self onto the ILS
@@codygarland3246 Then we had the same childhood :)
I've tried both the inibuilds A320 and the FlyByWire A320 extensively. While inibuilds offers a solid product with great visuals and immersive details, I have to say that FBW A320 is still the best when it comes to systems simulation. The level of depth and realism in FBW’s systems is unmatched, making it a fantastic choice for serious simmers looking for an authentic Airbus experience."
I'm just waiting for the complete VNAV to be introduced in A32nx and then I'll be very happy. Until then, I take the ini for the bush where ILS isn't offered. However, in most cases it isn't an issue to land the FBW manually imo.
Gav thanks for taking care of this. Had been waiting for it
Update: flew it few hours back and despite all the advantages you have mentioned, the sound signatures killed it for me. FBW it is for me....
The FBW is better, the physics of the IniBuilds are off, i have floated at full flap and 100 knots down a 10000ft long runway with it before, which is so unrealistic. However, i must reccomend the fenix over both, which is actually a very good deal and a great aeroplane that you wont need to replace.
I get that, but I'm expecting this to be fixed, and I have absolutely no intention to fork out 1000$ for the fenix which is now only slightly better! 😂
@@dtrjonesFair enough, it really depends what you want to do. I do busy vatsim flights with CPDLC so for me fenix is a must.
@@dtrjonesI think slightly is an understatement
The fbw physics also sucks
@@dtrjoneseverything about this post is wrong. Comical.
“Ask and ye shall receive!” Haven’t done a full flight yet (lowly Xbox simmer here) but ANYTHING has to be better than the original default! And it’s FREE so how can I complain anyway?! From what I’ve seen it looks pretty great and I’ve been asking for a more “involved” A320 for Xbox for a long time! Thanks for the great video review
Thanks for the overview; much appreciated. Can’t wait to try it out but it wasn’t on marketplace for X Box after SU15 this morning.
How do you get it on xbox
Aircraft is actually in your list of in-sim aircraft (marked as Version 2) and not on Marketplace as I wrongly thought.
Just had my first flight with the Inibuilds, not flown the Asobo 320Neo much and I don't own the FBW version. I liked the inibuilds plane a lot. It did float for me on landing and that was using an ILS approach. The aircraft is pretty easy to pickup with basic knowledge although personally I had some issues with the nav not picking up but that was probably my lack of experience with this type of aircraft. I have a twist stick, so you'll need to map Tiller/Rudder in the EFB if you don't have the peddals configured I guess. Lovely plane, will be flying this a lot more in the future.
If you like the NEO I would suggest giving the FBW a try ;) Especially the sounds are excellent!
I just did a short flight and the aircraft few all waypoints as they should be including speed and altitude restrictions. For a free addon very impressive what Inibuilds has done here. However, I would love to see the sounds to be improved, specially when panning around in the exterior view the engines are very very quiet...
The marketplace download (PC only) is for the interior and 4k textures. The aircraft itself is included in the sim by default
They are both equally fantastic!
I dunno why everyone is releasing an A320 when we have FBW and the Fenix! I wish they released an A350 or B767/B757!
Just waiting for the FBW and Headwinds next major update !
It’s for Xbox users
was fairly shocked to find out that the performance is worse than the fenix... didnt expect that
That was a fantastic watch.
I had a very similar experience to you. Very slow acceleration on takeoff, overly long takeoff roll. I can't remember If I used flex or not - but I ate up most of a 11,000 ft runway at a moderate weight , which is definately off for a 32N. I want to say the FD behaved like that for me as well. Sounds like we both had it in SRS mode vs TOGA mode, but that may also speak to a difficutly getting it into TOGA mode to begin with. Climb to altitude also seemed slow, & ambient/aircraft sounds seemed overly loud for the entire flight. Like you, my landing seemed a little "off" as did overall handling. I've heard a lot of folks are taking a performance hit with this aircraft vs the FBW. My machine did ok, just stuttering a little on approach/landing - but apparently a lot of folks are having a precipitous drop in FPS.
I like the fact that it has a cabin, and the depth of the MCDU - but right now I just find the overall feel of the aircraft offputting. I think it's a major leap forward for those using Xbox - but for now I think I'll stick to the FBW.
I'll stick a disclaimer in there that I flew it when it was still in Beta, around the first date Sim Update 15 was supposed to launch - so I need to take it for a spin now that it's been formally released.
Like others have said, I'd the same experiences on take off and landing, additionally I have had the AP decide to go off and do it's own thing, especially after manually engaging approach mode. But the inibuilds has a feeling of weight behind it, it's hard to describe but it feels more like how I'd imagine it feels to fly the real aircraft, the FBW feels light and more computer like in comparison. Overall I think it's a great addition but wonder who was doing the beta testing because there are obvious faults in it that hopefully inibuilds will rectify. Good honest review btw.
I love it ! some people are saying that the ground textures and clouds are worst but in my opinion I think are better than SU14 and better resolution 😁😁😁😁👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Completed my first flight with it and had a similar experience with the roll. I was running out of runway and thought I had done something wrong.
I couldn't even take off, the overhead just wasn't working for me. Meaning I couldn't even align irs.
I’m a bit surprised you didn’t mention the Inibuilds sound….because it’s horrendous to me. Really kills the immersion.
that was my issue, I couldn't even continue to fly it cuz it was so bad
I would have loved to see an A320neo with Pratt & Whitney engines. The iniBuilds and the FBW are great aircraft. I think I chose my favorite on liveries and registration.
The P&W engines will come in the future according to the last Dev Q&A
The Pratt engines are in the shop getting their innards replaced
I prefer the A32NX, due to much better handling for me on my system on take offs and landings.
I've never been on a NEO but both have the same engine but sound so different, I'm not sure which is closer to the real thing, although I prefer the A32NX sounds.
The only a320 reviewer I’d trust ❤
This
Blackbox711? A330pilot? And Many more RL Pilots 🙂
Course we watch you....brilliant vids. Thank you
How do you open the door?
I’m genuinely surprised by how good it is - handling aside (I’m sure they’ll improve it - hopefully, wishfully), they seem to have ironed out the glitches it had when it was re-dropped into the SU15 Beta.
I won’t move away from the FBW yet, will see how Ini maintain updates etc, as they’re not the best with that as we know.
Definitely not a contender against the Fenix - not even in the same league, no way in heck I’ll be flying that less!
Also, controversially I would put this in the payware category imo - even though we didn’t pay for it, Inibuilds were paid for the product as opposed to FBW, Headwind and Horizon who have 100% donated their time so we can use their wonderful products for free.
I had to re bind all controls and its still not right!!
One big issue I found with this aircraft, is that it doesn't work with VATSIM, doesn't let you transmit or receive transmissions, hopefully it gets fixed :-)
I find the nose steering very difficult for no reason
Me too.
i fly in real life the a320neo and from the looks to the buttons in this aircraft look fantastic . Though i dont like the default camera angle of the captain as its more focused on the instruments than on the outside view . Also i had the same problem with the performance : The A320neo engines are much more powerfull and fuel efficient than the old A320 engines so it is a suprise for me that the plane performs pretty purely at takeoff . Also i find that the plane is to sensitive when it comes to the rudder , i have a lot of aircraft but at none of them is the rudder so sensitive .And last but not least the landing : The same as with you @Easyjetsimpilot at landing the nose doesnt want to go down , i had to use manual thrust for it to work somehow . At this state i am gonna be honest i would prefer the fbw A32NX as performance wise it flys way better
Same man, i did a flight from riyadh to doha and i almost used the whole runway till reaching vr, and one thing i dont know why that happened is when i was coming in doha and changed runway and sid on the fmgc , and my whole aircraft froze 😭
outside modelling is far better from ini than asobo or flybywire i guess but as you mentioned the handling is far worse from ini. I personally really hope for Fenix to develope a neo version of the a320 and a321 aswell, that would be awesome. For the time being im gonna stick to the ceo from Fenix
Thank you for the video, very useful and exactly same conclusions after a couple of flights with the inibuilds: (apparently) better systems than FBW but worse flight model. And by the way, it is like a whole lifetime to lift off. I’ll keep the FBW for the time being and expect further updates of the inibuilds. Apart from other considerations I think it’s a nice way of saying a big thanks to the FBW team for all these years and efforts.
Thank you for you review!
Best aircrafts today:
FBW A320nx
FENIX A320 CFM/IAE
AEROSOFT CRJ 500/700/900/1000 with the FTsim+ sound mode
(Probably pmdg 737) but i don't like this plane..
Waiting for a study mode jumbo jet since 4 years... maybe the next one would be the triple 7 from pmdg.
I don't know if it's just me, but when I initially tried the handling of the v2, it felt like it was slipping in the sky in the sense that when I went from a left roll to a right roll it felt like the aircraft showed momentum and a little resistance initially. I thought this seemed more realistic. Wondering what everyone thinks.
Afraid not. Is it is a good start for a default aircraft and much better than the original 320 NEO before FBW got their paws on it. However, there are a number of strange behaviours that annoy me compared to the real aircraft including the heading indicator when selected is at north to start with, the real aircraft it appears at the present heading straight away. It also then stays on display rather than vanishing as it does in this model. The MCDU is constantly displaying "not allowed" when inputing weather in the PERF Page. DIR TO a waypoint appears in blue when activated, should be green on the flight plan in addition the flightplan on the ND is weirdly displayed when in NAV. As mentioned below the sound is off too and to top it off, the nose is not quite right in shape.
Also, I am obviously being an numpty, but how do you steer it on the ground? I very quickly lose control of it on take off if I make the slightest adjustment with the rudder axis.
Granted it's free but I will stick with the fenix which is a thing of beauty.
If you preselect a heading on the ground it should stay but if you preselect a heading in flight it should revert to dashes after 30s if you haven't made another change or pulled hdg
@@dannnnn496 Correct for the HDG display on the FCU. I am referring to the blue hdg indicator on the ND.
@@busdriver2011 oh yes that should stay there the whole time. Blue numbers if it’s the heading is off the display and then reverts to the triangle when it’s on the display
the ILS part and airport charts reading is weird, TOD sometimes work, on the NX part is flawless, maybe i'm doing stuff wrong :) You have to insert ILS freq in the console because in the MCDU/FMC does not work when trying to insert 111.90 for example. The NX just does it right. Lets wait for the V3 variant. and if you put 100 people as load and 4 tons fuel, 0 cargo, the plane eats up all the 1800 m runway using config 1 and FLEX 58:)) So you have to go full power with flaps 2 to take off. The NX takes off about half of runway, same config, flaps 1. Who is doing it right? On the ground the V2 is way better. The NX is lazy on turns.
Do not forget, this airbus takes 15 frames more over the Fenix and FBW!
Never noticed it, perfomance seamed stellar in this SIM Update 15. I wasn't sure if you were joking, didn't really get the joke, but I don't really care, my 4090 was doing just fine!
@@dtrjones i do not care as well with a 4090 but all the rest of the people with a less card and worked hard for a 2hand one, this is rediculous.
I have a 4070ti and the inibuilds one is definitely heavier on frames.
@@willemfs6733I would disagree. I'd say it was blueiculous
I can confirm 15 fps less than Fenix and PMDG and just like Inibuilds A310, it makes difference in a 2060 card, although SU15 beeing smoother helps.
You don’t get the perception of speed during takeoff role in the INI builds. That is well demonstrated with a fly by wire, though
I like inibuilds a320 more than FBW .. BUT still I'm using the fenix .. but it is a cool aircraft
The plane only steers like 3° max, how do I fix this (I can’t even taxi because I can’t make the turns)
I agree.
I agree too.
Yh lol@@terrynorton3182
Did anybody notice that the turning on the a320 is quite weird?
The FBW is more complete. The iniBuilds one is good and the model looks a lot better, but the systems are more in depth with FBW.
Staying with FBW they are updating it anyway MCDU V2 and a whole new cockpit the only thing missing then is a nice pain kit lol
The question is would we be thrilled if FBW never existed, personally I think it's not bad given how bad the default was, but that said I think FBW wins it for me, although I do like it has a full cabin.
The stock ATC doesn't seem to work with this plane, and no nearest airport function
I fly it on Xbox i was flying it on the beta it good for me. Only thing is that when taking off it tends to roll to the left it doesnt stay straight. If anyone has this issues let me know how to fix.
Do we need another A320? I'm so looking forward to the 757 from Bluebird/Justflight.
Maybe not, but Microsoft want to include a better version of their default in the sim for FREE (also accessible for Xbox users), so not a problem. They can't include the FBW due to some Licencing issues, that is why they went their separate ways. Like you, I am really wanting the Bluebird B757 as well. FBW want to develop a better external model of their 320 if they get time, to completely ditch the MS / Asobo model. Of course, they are busy with their A380 at the moment, which looks excellent.
@@roberthorton9599 Thanks, that makes sense for those who are on console, or dont want to install the FBW mod.
Very nice.
What do you press to go through the cabin??
Thanks for your videos :-)
Without a working flypad - disables me to deactivate the shocks and hinds me to perform a push the plane is pretty much useless.
After additinal developing of 6 month a very poor perfomance. I hope to do a working bug fix
Fbw. I couldnt even do the first few steps on the new ini320neo because when my cursor touches the pad the pad becomes a literal pink screen (i have a good gpu, cpu, and i get good frames so my pc isnt the issue), and when i switch to fbw, the pad is functioning. Other than that i'd say ini needs alot of improvement on bugs, although i liked the exterior
I need live traffic with BeyondATC!!! FSLTL planes keep cutting me off.
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i also felt i would run out of runway in the first check ride. i almost reached the tdz of the other end. rotation feels very slow and speed gain is also weirdly slow. rest things are good. i hope they fix it and i really would appreaciate terrain radar
Is this the Airbus A320Neo V2 or different aircraft?
I have flown the Inibuilds A320 about three times, however, as you mentioned the FBW a320 has better handling and the cockpit seems more realistic in the rendering of the knobs, lights, etc than the Inibuilds. Also yesterday, I had an issue with the ILS capturing with the Inibuilds, it seems like it did not capture the GS on approach. However, the question is, does the frequencies for the ILS need to be tuned in manually? That is not so in the FBW.
If only we could combine the two!
Fenix?
@@dtrjones it’s not a Neo aircraft. But I agree, the FENIX is almost perfect!
How did you get the cabin
there is a bug with this aircraft as you can not use ATC with it i hope this will be fixed soon
You need to turn on the VHF radio and maybe adjust the volume. Had the same problem.
Great information, but beyond me!
can u do a startup tutorial of this new a320 v2
This seems to support RPN approaches
For the free price, and everything else from A300 to AN225 iniBuilds is up there w Just Flight and PMDG for me as pathetic Xbox user… BUT after 10 flights so far, only oddity is takeoff w proper flex DOES seem slow and twice I came close hittibg landing gear w lights at runway end of 7,200 ft runway lmao
Did a flight. The biggest issue is performance. In VR I got 15-16 fps compared to 30 for FBW. No good. I did a fairly easy one from NZWN to NZAA. Takeoff roll was sluggish for such a short runway at Wellington. All good in the air with VNAV etc but it failed to capture the glide slope on a fairly easy vector into Auckland. Then for me when I turned off the AP it continuously beeped all the way to the terminal, I couldn’t turn it off, most be another button for it. Nothing jumped out at me to use so I’ve deleted it from my content manager already. Much prefer the FBW and FENIX.
Yeah the AP off alarm is annoying, are you using the TCA Airbus stick by any chance?
@@richardcross8790 no have honeycomb A & B but apparently there is a button for it but I couldn’t find it.
I can't get my plane to go straight down the runway. It's either pulling hard left or right
I'm assuming I'm the only one that having issues with throttle calibration on this airplane. All other detents work perfect but I cannot get the reverse thrust to engage by using the tca throttle quadrant. I created a separate profile but still having issues. Y'all have any ideas?
No support for "radial in" on DIR for "shooting a line" on approach, it seems. Unfortunate.
its not released yet. how did you get your hands on it
It's been out for a few months on PC
You do realise that your voice sounds like James' Blunt when he talks, right? On subject though, I've flown iniBuild's a320 last night and wanted to see someone comparing it to FBW which I fly normally. You didn't disappoint. Really like your content, keep it up! ;)
Can this win Fenix a320ceo?
the steering on the ground is inverted for me which makes it impossible to take off. any idea how to fix that?
Can you do rnav approaches with this thing?
No trust me it’s horrible
Haven't actually tried it. All the FMS coding is there so it should be possible.
@@Easyjetsimpilot autopilot does not seem to understand when you activate approach mode and revs up the engines even though the computer is showing a constraint of 135. Fly by wire has no problem and reduces speed to 135
Exterior modeling and textures are very important for me, it helps a lot in the immersion.
I prefer to fly the FBW, but once you have tasted the accuracy of the inbuilds in terms of aircraft details, the FBW looks very bad (are they allowed to take inbuilds model instead of basic A320 as all these addons are free ?)
Every time i look at the flap track fairings or flaps & slats of the FBW, it makes me very sad
You've got the same strange pixel on the windscreen as me
Thank god. Thought my monitor was failing.
I'm getting super low fps when using it. Only 20 fps on Low settings while I get 40 fps on Ultra when using a different aircraft
Too bad the liveries for the original a320 dont work on this update 😢 I would think they should.
How can you calibrate the thrust if you have 2 throttles? (Only one is working)
okay its 2024 and i hope we are done with reskin of existing models and as such. So can we please get a Dash 8 and 220 please ?
I like it, it will do an actual RNAV approach, which as far as I can tell, the A32NX cant.
My impression, was not even close to yours. First off, let me acknowledge that I did not properly calibrate my tca quadrant. I thought that I did, but in manual flight, the simulator only responded to TOGA or full off, where the engine would shutdown. So I am sure you can imagine how my final approach faired. I had an engine shutdown right before touchdown and coasted to a stop, still on the runway. But I think that I have resolved the throttle issue. BUT!!! the speedbrake does not respond, neither does the autobrake selector, the engine engage switches, the crank/starter knob...honestly. all of these, I have to execute manually. I am going back to the fbw and wait for a few updates. I am shocked that Inibuild would release a plane so terribly flawed. If you have any suggestions to overcoome the failure in the switches and controls, I would love to hear them.
The autopilot turning doesn’t work I set it to managed and it doesn’t turn at waypoints idk why
It's still very buggy, GSX boarding calls opens the wrong doors for the cargo and the fuel burn is too excessive, I've been struggling with performance on it too admittedly. Was hoping these issues which have been in the beta build for a while would be solved but was disappointed that they still exist with SU15 Final released yesterday
Can you do a video on how to get MiniFCU working with IniBuilds A32N?
How can I setup custom cameras
i can not see internal plane seats ectra
does it have RNP approache capability?
Take off in selected mode. and not managed mode. Which is why it was a bit of a mess.
Yes, please see pinned post.
How can you open the door?
What sensitivity do you use for the Inibuilds 320N
How does one *close* the window? I can't depart! 🙂
Click the little black latch on the window frame so you can close the window.
@@Easyjetsimpilot LOL, that was not obvious - thank you! 😆
How to ocnfig wing view?
Will it be free for xbox when it releasd