I Made a BIG Mistake!! Footing pour

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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

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  • @joep8520
    @joep8520 2 года назад +56

    I know this was not the most comfortable thing to share Tim, but thank you for always showing the mistakes. It absolutely taught me a thing or two, and I am sure others have benefited from this as well.

  • @toddb8479
    @toddb8479 2 года назад +59

    Structurally sound yes. Buried deeper than Jimmy Hoffa yes. $hit happens, your human. Screw the trolls and the haters who never post any of their work. Thanks for the content Tim.

    • @ajs96350
      @ajs96350 2 года назад

      So every single comment I've come across is supportive and thanking him for showing the mistake.

    • @toddb8479
      @toddb8479 2 года назад +2

      @@ajs96350 as Tim stated in the video the trolls and haters all came out when he posted the you tube short.

  • @bilbobaggins4462
    @bilbobaggins4462 2 года назад +15

    This is incredible content. I can't think of any other pro posting videos of their mistakes. Thanks for your honesty and humility - super useful and refreshing in the fake RUclips universe!

  • @kozemchuk
    @kozemchuk 2 года назад +8

    Massive respect to you for posting this. Everyone makes mistakes, it's how we recover from them that shows what we are really made of. I can think of a couple I've made at work recently....

  • @Sketchyfun-q7o
    @Sketchyfun-q7o 2 года назад +6

    So much better seeing this than people who only show off with edited footage or criticize but never show their own work.

  • @samt5663
    @samt5663 2 года назад +9

    What is easier than learning from your own mistakes? Learning from others. Thank you for sharing we appreciate you and content!

  • @j.foster1560
    @j.foster1560 2 года назад +3

    Tim you made a mistake, you owned up to it, you corrected it. Well done. Anyone who has ever done construction has been in your shoes. Thanks for sharing.

  • @josquintibbits2871
    @josquintibbits2871 2 года назад +3

    I love that you post the good, the bad, and the ugly. It is great to see the reality rather than the sanitised perspective. Keep it up and I'll keep watching

  • @braxtynunger648
    @braxtynunger648 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for the video Tim. It's your character humour and honesty that keep me coming back to your channel

  • @johnhastings1874
    @johnhastings1874 2 года назад +7

    I tell my kids all the time that I rarely learned much from my wins, but boy oh boy do I learn a ton from my failures! Great video. Thanks again.

  • @maryriha
    @maryriha 2 года назад +9

    Thank you for explaining what happened and why. So many of us get to learn.

  • @chriseck356
    @chriseck356 Год назад +1

    Tim, I just subscribed yesterday so I can understand the fundamentals of footings. I'm learning so much from you. Your videos, and especially this one (only my 3rd to view) are outstanding ! You talk about materials, dimensions, processes, etc in wonderful detail. Even showing and talking about the mistakes is hugely instructive. Thank you man !

  • @jimanderson4495
    @jimanderson4495 2 года назад +6

    Good for you to show everyone makes mistakes. Lessons learned. Thanks Tim for the content.

  • @T.E.P..
    @T.E.P.. 2 года назад +1

    Can't thank you enough .. all the vids are so educational and a super fast watch. The vids are packed with so much. Enjoyable and full of info. Bravo. Don't forget about us little guys from when you were 70k less subscribers as you are now. Super excited that the subs are flowing in ... You all do a superb job

  • @TEXAS.N8V
    @TEXAS.N8V 2 года назад +2

    Thanks for sharing this and putting yourself out there like that! It’s courageous man! You know this is going to help a lot of us who are just getting our feet wet AND the self declared pros. ✊🏾 respect!!

  • @AaronHope_Sow
    @AaronHope_Sow 2 года назад +3

    Could have been worse. Glad it wasn’t a complete blowout. We appreciate the transparency!

  • @TomCorbin-fn9mn
    @TomCorbin-fn9mn 26 дней назад

    I saw this probably 10 times. I was helping my dad on a basement wall. When I failed to secure three bolts in a 6ft form. The only thing hold it vertical was a 16p nail. When it separated I was wearing concrete. I know how you feel...I could have swung my feet off the edge of some tissue paper...all you have done is validate your transparency. In the trade now you have my respect. Good recovery. Move on

  • @AndrewShafer
    @AndrewShafer 2 года назад +3

    Hey man, great video. Making mistakes is how we learn in life, don't worry about the haters on here who have never touched a hammer. Kudos to you for not editing this out. I saw your short a few days ago and was glad to see the full vid, that's a subscribe from me! Mishaps will happen in construction, it's all about how we recover.

  • @pdcro1247
    @pdcro1247 2 года назад +1

    You guys aren’t perfect nor do you claim to be,that’s what makes you guys perfect.
    Great educational video.

  • @drew5334
    @drew5334 2 года назад +2

    Really appreciate when good tradesman show their mistakes, super instructive and also humanizing that even Awesome Framers make mistakes sometimes lol

  • @syringconstruction9825
    @syringconstruction9825 2 года назад +2

    There is so much about this entire situation that I love. Learning at its finest! You handled that so much better than I would have!

    • @AwesomeFramers
      @AwesomeFramers  2 года назад

      You just couldn't see my tears 😢😭😭😂😂

  • @checkfoldcallraise
    @checkfoldcallraise 27 дней назад

    I know this is 2 years old and it’s history but hey you know, every great crew has its bad days. No one is perfect, unless Jesus himself is out there installing footings lol. Kudos to you for leaving this up. If you only upload the good but not the bad then it wouldn’t be a realistic view into your trade. If the day comes that I can afford to have a house built, I would certainly wish you guys could build it. You believe in quality and honesty, integrity and it shows. Rock on bros 💪🏼💪🏼😎

  • @joelx77
    @joelx77 2 года назад +1

    Thank you very much for sharing this! You got a like and a comment from me! The mistakes are far more educational than the rest... A blowout is a nightmare we all want to avoid! I will take extra precautions next time.

  • @sorenjensen3863
    @sorenjensen3863 4 месяца назад

    Last footing I did I had 3 problem areas. To be absolutely honest, I suspected they were insuffiently braced but just let it go because I "didn't have time". I was able to avoid any full blowouts (thankfully), but it gave me a lesson in complacency that I apparently needed

  • @beachton
    @beachton 2 года назад +1

    I’m glad you shared it. I find it therapeutic to edit my own mistakes from several different angles and I hope you do to. What other people take away from it is on them.

  • @houseandmoney
    @houseandmoney 7 месяцев назад

    Great video! My first ever footing pour is coming up (form-a-drain with lots of stakes and steel-mate for the verticals) so it good to see how things can go less than perfect and still be absolutely fine.

  • @44godson
    @44godson 5 месяцев назад

    Amazing humility man. You're right, things just happen sometimes. We have to have the emotional intelligence in how we handle it

  • @butopiatoo
    @butopiatoo Год назад

    Bummer. Thank you for showing as a reminder. Belt and suspenders approach works. I like that you are thinking about 2x4 rather than 1x4 spreaders to give more clearance for finishing the top of the footer. Keep rockin it.

  • @gregoryalexander306
    @gregoryalexander306 2 месяца назад

    The way you dropped the piece in the water to hide it was hilarious, then quickly deciding you need it to fix it and frantically searching for it. Just hilarious.

  • @saulmoreno3252
    @saulmoreno3252 2 года назад +5

    When I started my business 6yrs ago.... I stressed out on a regular. After this virus, I'm just on cruise mode. 1 day at a time. I can only control me and my actions.
    Logistics, work force and prices are out of my control.
    Stay strong brothers!

  • @mikedooley8269
    @mikedooley8269 2 года назад +1

    Appreciate you showing reality.
    Btw, those bags seem great for isolating the pour from the pond

  • @deanfreeman3223
    @deanfreeman3223 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing Tim. Appreciate your openness.

  • @trevorball71
    @trevorball71 2 года назад

    Beautiful! just beautiful! happens everyday all around the world. I'm envious of how awesome you handled it as it happened, that's why you're the AWESOME Framers

  • @biancaw.5987
    @biancaw.5987 2 года назад

    Sending you a bunch of love. We all have high points and low points. Thank you for sharing both.

  • @bertnerny
    @bertnerny 2 года назад +1

    Man, I love that you post your mistakes. We all make them, at the worst times, including the princesses who act like they never make mistakes.

  • @terminatorxtreme
    @terminatorxtreme 2 года назад

    I learned more in those 35 minutes than in many 5 hours Architecture courses, and it was free, thank you very much for that !

  • @hepparade
    @hepparade Месяц назад

    It's incredible what can be done with 2x12 stakes driven in as wedges...
    Your tenacity is admirable, we'd be shoveling concrete out for how shallow it is to serve as a reminder...but you are perhaps smarter in the pure business to acknowledge it was un-necessary. I respect that you take the responsibility for the mistake and did not blame the guys. I feel similar, it is our responsibility...
    ..it's the moments like this that remind me to double check everything, ..but yeah as you said stuff does indeed happen.
    Cheers for not being shy about it. You speak for the builder's builder.
    👍💪🙌

  • @chrisclausen6587
    @chrisclausen6587 2 года назад +1

    Would love to see a site where no mistakes were made. Like a Big Foot sighting!!! Every talks about it but few, if anyone, ever sees them.

  • @tomruth9487
    @tomruth9487 2 года назад

    Yeah, thanks for sharing this. As a cabinet maker that knows almost nothing about footings and foundations, I can only think that some 3' bar clamps might be a possible help in this situation. Of course as a cabinet maker I have plenty of these on hand and not something a framer might have in their toolbox. I did have something similar happen once and it was also because something didn't get nailed or screwed together. It's easy to forget. Glad you had enough extra concrete to make it work.

  • @bubbahogue5305
    @bubbahogue5305 2 года назад

    It happens to the best of us. We learn and move on. Thanks for sharing.

  • @JoeC92
    @JoeC92 2 года назад

    One thing I've learned. You can screw up but just make sure you have the fix. Cause everyone hates fixing someone else's screw up.
    For me in electrical (and can apply to any trade) the only concern with a screw up is hopefully no one gets hurt. In commercial it can be deadly if the screw up is found during power on.

  • @martianrx
    @martianrx 3 месяца назад +1

    been nice to have had some bar clamps

  • @dazzanw5067
    @dazzanw5067 2 года назад

    As a construction superintendent aka “babysitter” who for months was not aloud to wear his bags, which was checked by my bosses. I have the upmost respect for you and your building ethics, although we don’t each other, I’ve always felt you are friggen top tier professional and I think that even more now! As the leader of the squad, instead of passing the blame, (what every other PM/super/foreman would do) you took it, put out a video for others to learn from and had to read the “dumb masses” in the comments, rip ya to shreds! Don’t matter! You are as good as it gets, top tier pro, and unfortunately in the modern world of construction we as the leaders are on our own. I used to blame the fact my company would spread us “qualified idiots” so thin, we all had our own separate jobs to run, none of us had our right hand man (our offensive line) to check our “bag less” mistakes. I still refuse to pass the blame, but my bags are on! This day and age it’s us against the world!, “what do you got for me next” they ask, “we’ll number 1, if you can’t figure out what to do next,……never mind, Moooo sawwww…..Follow me, sorry for raising my voice. Ya know my name back when I was a grommet “Fu*kface….” Yep they’d yell hey F-face where’s F is my WOOD…..blocks fu** face, fireblocks 20 @14-7/16 ” and if they were 14-9/16” ? They’d Chuck em right into my sawhorses! Yep, I used to have to wear my nail bags at all times, even lunch….unless I wanted to pull em from whatever they found this time, worst was they’d nail em with 16galvi to the top side of a GLB” but, the best day of my life was when I finally got invited to have a beer with em, after work, I had made it! It was official! I earned their respect and we worked as such for many years! Still my best of friends! “Ya know it’s break, it’s actually 10:05am the new workers say, are still gonna continue these glory stories, I might take break in my car”…..no I’m done, no phone at break? Dude….I gotta blah blah, alright I was just jokin….phone’er out Timmy Mc millennial!

  • @armidaleconcrete
    @armidaleconcrete 2 года назад +1

    Been caught out with this a couple of times myself especially if its rained overnight and you pour the next morning. Now I triple brace everything to try an avoid this happening again.

  • @andrewdempster5170
    @andrewdempster5170 2 года назад +1

    Really man don’t beat yourself up! This stuff happens. If it hasn’t happened to you yet, then you haven’t been pouring concrete long enough. It’s how you learn. Also appreciate the subtle hat tip to us form carpenters/concrete guys at the beginning of the video. It is hard on the body, and the only thing that I found help is staying active in other areas of life. Even though that sounds counterintuitive.😉

  • @TimBowermeister
    @TimBowermeister 2 года назад

    I've seen so many tools thrown in disgust and petty yelling, it was refreshing to see a thing go sideways and everybody rolled with it.
    That mistake went better than a lot of successes I've endured.

  • @ajs96350
    @ajs96350 2 года назад

    Silver lining Tim, it's stronger now.
    Every single one of us has been there, so many I'd do anything to go back and redo, but this is life.

  • @stephenwatson1873
    @stephenwatson1873 2 года назад

    A true professional will always post both good and bad outcomes, thanks Tim

  • @crocodiledundee096
    @crocodiledundee096 Год назад

    Thanks for posting. Super helpful to see

  • @chet174able
    @chet174able 2 года назад +1

    Weird seeing concrete poured on soil. We've always poured on compacted gravel. Even footings.

  • @ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
    @ArthurDentZaphodBeeb 2 года назад

    Tim, consider using a water reducing admixture and increase the slump for those short footings.

  • @POLOLOUS3
    @POLOLOUS3 2 года назад +1

    As your brother is saying if we mess with it further and your saying yup and still messing with it lol. It happens Tim.

  • @MrBrianDuga
    @MrBrianDuga Год назад

    I heard a great quote from Tom Bilyeu of the YT Channel "Impact Theory" say "Failure is one of the most information rich data streams that exists." Nice save - it could have been way worse. Love your content.

  • @chet174able
    @chet174able 2 года назад +1

    You don't use kickers on anything? This bag system is so great that they used it on the hoover dam

  • @claudepoulin8558
    @claudepoulin8558 Год назад

    To err is human but a clever repair is Devine.. thanks your Awesome…👍🏻🇨🇦

  • @curtisblair7618
    @curtisblair7618 2 года назад

    It’s all good, you fixed it. And you know what they say “ if you don’t mess up ever, you’re not doing anything “. Have a great 4th of July!

  • @thyhangman
    @thyhangman 2 года назад

    Both educational and entertaining thanks for the knowledge and the laugh!

  • @janderson8401
    @janderson8401 2 года назад

    I once read that an expert is not someone who never makes a mistake. It is someone who knows how to fix his or her mistake after it happens.

  • @johnsaake2303
    @johnsaake2303 2 года назад

    hurdles never roadblocks, one foot in front the other, keep on keeping on!!

  • @JoshuaSHogg
    @JoshuaSHogg 2 года назад

    We all make mistakes. Love the way ya handled it. Fix it move on.

  • @efrentroncoso6471
    @efrentroncoso6471 2 года назад

    Good job brother, appreciate your honey and professionalism

  • @regahj
    @regahj 2 года назад

    30:31 For that t-shirt you were thinking about, "Well! We're professionals." Also you are absolutely right, the only reason not to pour your footer wider is the extra cost of the concrete.

  • @brianyoung6779
    @brianyoung6779 2 года назад

    Compliments to the chef for leaving it alone. Well done video

  • @justinmanship5431
    @justinmanship5431 Год назад

    I’m going to be using fast foot on my own house that I’m starting next month. This has made me even more nervous about doing it but I’m definitely going to be paying a lot of attention to every detail! Thanks for posting this.

    • @AwesomeFramers
      @AwesomeFramers  Год назад

      It definitely wasn't the Fast Foot that caused the issue,it was me 🥴

  • @Jeff-v2c
    @Jeff-v2c 4 месяца назад

    I poured a footing for a house in the country that was in an open field. It was just me and the concrete truck driver. I was very confident in my forms as they had been checked and rechecked. Everything went really well until the end when, because of the exposure to the sun and the 95° heat, I literally had a stroke right after the concrete guy drove off. Luckily, my neighbor was home and saw me go down. He ran over, dragged me into his yard, and sprayed me with the garden hose until I came to. I didn't realize I'd had a stroke, and neither did he. I'm lucky to be alive. Fortunately, I was way younger than I am now and in the best shape of my life when this incident occurred. The footing turned out mostly OK except for a short section that I never screeded off because I passed out and forgot about it after I came to. The block layers ended up telling me it was the flattest, most square footing they'd ever seen. I formed it myself. It took me about a week. No laser. Just a 6' Stabila level and a commitment to ZERO variance the entire time.

  • @BrianBaldridgeC
    @BrianBaldridgeC Месяц назад

    Here, were you using the Fab Form Fastfoot as a cost savings faster footing forming application, and not as part of an overall water management system?

  • @dustyerdman236
    @dustyerdman236 2 года назад

    If the sand in the mix is reclaimed or a manufactured sand, it will cause pumping issues with small line pumps. Request a natural sand in the mix design.

  • @GRUBB-MUDD
    @GRUBB-MUDD 2 года назад

    omg i cant stand bad mudd that comes out of a pump. did it clog up? thats the worst

    • @AwesomeFramers
      @AwesomeFramers  2 года назад

      it made the pump work way too hard

    • @GRUBB-MUDD
      @GRUBB-MUDD 2 года назад

      @@AwesomeFramers i know the feeling, I feel your pain on this job

  • @sstefaniak1103
    @sstefaniak1103 2 года назад

    I love that you show the f#-ups. You remind me of my first boss who never freaked out when something went wrong. My greatest lessons were learned from working with him.

  • @anthonymcroberts2760
    @anthonymcroberts2760 2 года назад

    A bit of dented pride, honesty then a solution to get over the problem sorted.
    I was always taught when I was an apprentice 36ish years ago
    a f@#k wasn't a f@#k up if you could get over it.
    YOU GOT OVER IT.

  • @brycemahoney7351
    @brycemahoney7351 Год назад

    Thanks for showing this.

  • @petervendetti2796
    @petervendetti2796 2 года назад

    I really like you were used of the pump it made the filling the form so much easier

  • @RichardFortin77
    @RichardFortin77 2 года назад

    Friendly suggestion : You could carry 4 foot pipe clamps, in case it happens again, you could squeeze back the walls in place with the clamps. Nice Attitude.

  • @bobbydelcavallo7181
    @bobbydelcavallo7181 2 года назад

    Absolutely Awesome 🥳🥳🥳

  • @GRUBB-MUDD
    @GRUBB-MUDD 2 года назад +2

    *DO YOU CARE IF I MAKE A WHY THE CONCRETE BLEW OUT VIDEO, I ACTUALLY ALREADY MADE IT FOR YOUR SHORT, JUST NEVER POSTED IT* anyways let me know if i can maie that youtube video

  • @joseangelvillatro4439
    @joseangelvillatro4439 2 года назад

    Thank Tim!

  • @evictioncarpentry2628
    @evictioncarpentry2628 2 года назад +2

    After you fixed the first one, why wouldn't you have ran to get a nailer and some extra straps? Lol
    Then once some extra support was nailed in I probably would have drove a couple lags in each side and ran a ratchet strap across

    • @chet174able
      @chet174able 2 года назад +1

      Right.Reinforced it somehow. With a lot of brute force and moving with urgency. Instead of just laughing and going oh well.

  • @bertbergers9171
    @bertbergers9171 2 года назад

    Oef, what a pooper. Strong of you to show it.
    Have lots of why didn’t you’s in my head but they won’t help anyone.
    Thks for the video

  • @hisnhers6867
    @hisnhers6867 2 года назад

    Great video congratulations on 100k subs

  • @michaelconnelly7695
    @michaelconnelly7695 2 года назад

    Great save. I’m just amazed that pump operator was a beast

  • @stevebonczyk3795
    @stevebonczyk3795 2 года назад

    Good video I like the comments of yup just walk away and you go and mess around with it again. I would suggest that you get a high lift jack for when you do your placement of concrete. Would easily span the footing and could pull the footer walls back into place. It would also be easier as there would be no jerky movements of the boards or large movement of the concrete. This would allow you to drop your spreader bars in place.

  • @taki0ps230
    @taki0ps230 11 дней назад

    should of added more stakes the moment you noticed it bowing out, you can use a kicker or 2 to straighten it out

  • @timmietimmins3780
    @timmietimmins3780 2 года назад

    so suppose that had been unrecoverable. Say you were understaffed, and couldn't move it back, AND you didn't have spare concrete. What is actually the best practice for an unrecoverable error?
    Can you just reform it and fill the new forms? or do you have to do something fancy to make a subsequent concrete pour bond to a previous pour? Would you be able to use bags of concrete to hand mix for a top up like this, or do you need to order a short load?
    I find this really interesting as this is something I hope to never have to do, but in my area, it really looks like hiring a concrete sub is not easy right now... so it's pretty important to at least know what you can't do, if not what you can.

    • @AwesomeFramers
      @AwesomeFramers  2 года назад +1

      Honesty it wouldn't have happened if we didn't have enough help. I wouldn't have popped that cleat, I'd have been too busy.

  • @forrestchambers1690
    @forrestchambers1690 2 года назад

    you are human. thanks for all you do, i have learned a lot from your videos. thanks for sharing. maybe you will get more views for the screw up. . lol cheers!

  • @jholt03
    @jholt03 2 года назад

    This is nothing compared to the few instances where I've seen foundations back filled a little too early, and BLAMMO!!! The foundation caved in. That's a $20,000 plus kinda ouchie that can instantly almost wipe out a guy's entire profit margin on a job.

  • @zephyr1408
    @zephyr1408 2 года назад

    I apologize for the hate you received over this Tim Buddy! I am a finish carpenter/contractor and we all make mistakes! I can’t even tell how many things I re did or had to cut up! We in this trade work hard that’s my only criticism is being lazy! And boy howdy u sure are not lazy in fact none of the ppl you work even come close! Good job fixing it which I am certain u did! Carry on!

  • @DavidFreelandAZ
    @DavidFreelandAZ 2 года назад

    The trick is figuring out how to recover withe less stress and cost. I'd say you did purty good on that one.

  • @proaerro
    @proaerro 9 месяцев назад

    Yea just got to learn from your mistakes and put the stakes deeper and more of them in areas that can hold water.

  • @hugovivas1265
    @hugovivas1265 2 года назад

    Hey man I do comercial concrete and let told you this is nothing good thing you saw the problem and later I bet you you will check all the 1x4 before pour
    I did I mistakes like that before but now I learn from those mistakes great videos man I can’t wait to see you framing

  • @Fortence44
    @Fortence44 Год назад

    ducktape a roll of tie wire to keep it together, put a hole in center to pull wire through and suspend your bar from your spreaders as an alternative to dolbys

  • @tealkerberus748
    @tealkerberus748 2 месяца назад

    I think everyone who plans to build forms for other people to pour concrete into needs to see this. It's embarrassing enough when you made the mistake and then you and your team have to deal with the consequences. But imagine if you'd built the forms and hired someone else to pour the concrete and *they* had to deal with the consequences of this!

  • @rhysbriden5777
    @rhysbriden5777 2 года назад

    Is there a way other than weeping tile to channel that water away at the front of the home?

    • @AwesomeFramers
      @AwesomeFramers  2 года назад +1

      Originally there was a small ditch dug that allowed it to rain. When they took the excavator, some of the hill sloughed off and "dammed" it up.

  • @donaldwhitt1232
    @donaldwhitt1232 10 месяцев назад

    way to keep ya'lls composure

  • @GRUBB-MUDD
    @GRUBB-MUDD 2 года назад

    very good video brother. i gave u a sub

  • @benaxley2533
    @benaxley2533 2 года назад +1

    If this hasn’t ever happened to someone then they haven’t been doing it long enough yet. It will happen for sure one day

  • @goldenbergconstruction1656
    @goldenbergconstruction1656 2 года назад +1

    who is the pumper?

  • @NickWelch
    @NickWelch 2 года назад

    Would a handful of pipe clamps help rescue this kind of thing in the future?

  • @goldenbergconstruction1656
    @goldenbergconstruction1656 2 года назад

    No big deal, you just make it work. Bar clamps work well.

  • @zachjohnston5948
    @zachjohnston5948 2 года назад

    Respect your man enough to post this … what’s the worst blow out you’ve had pouring walls ??

    • @AwesomeFramers
      @AwesomeFramers  2 года назад

      Nothing major. Had a lower panel lay flat because of defective spreader cleats but it wasn't too bad

    • @zachjohnston5948
      @zachjohnston5948 2 года назад

      @@AwesomeFramers that’s awesome.. pour days with tall walls and tall wall crane days always keep me up at night .. I always enjoy the videos big fan from sicamous , BC

  • @tredogzs
    @tredogzs 11 месяцев назад

    I cant believe u dont give the pump guy doesnt get a helper... insane