As British Black guy I have become super sensitive at the American media's double standards when representing interracial couples. It seems to be treated as mainstream and normal when it is a white male character with a black female character, but when it is a black male character with a white female character it is treated as taboo and racial politics are more involved, despite the fact in the USA white women with Black men is more common than the other way around statistically. What made me sensitive was watching the Louis Gate Jr documentary Black Hollywood in 2008. In this doc Gates ask the big Hollywood producer Arnaud Miclan, who is big producer in Hollywood to this day, why has every attractive Black female actress had a white male love interest, but you never see an A-List American white actress with a black male love interest. He let slip the truth. He said when it is a white man with a black woman it is exotic, but when it is a white woman with a black man it is dangerous. He is basically saying it is personal preference of white male producers and they don't want to promote black men to white women. This guy was never cancelled and still making big movies today like Deep Water, Gone Girl and 12 years a slave. So when I found out two of my favourite British shows were being remade for American audiences and they were the shows Utopia and Ghosts. On both these shows the main character is black, but on both shows, there are white female love interests for these characters. In Utopia there are two white female characters vying for the black male character and it is vital to plot that this character is black and in Ghosts it is a about a normal married interracial couple who buy a hotel that is full of ghosts of the guests who died there throughout the century. These remakes were really going to test the Hollywood double standard and boy did Hollywood prove they have this anti-black man agenda. For Utopia US version they just whitewashed the show and made the black main character a white man in the American version and race bent the white female love rivals to black women in the US version. SMH. And in Ghosts remade by CBS, they race bent the black husband character to an Indian, probably because Big Bang Theory their biggest hit had an Indian. And I just thought wow, Hollywood is still anti- black male in 2022. They did the same for one of my all time favourite sitcoms the sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf. It was the most watched sitcom in the UK in the mid 1980s and the lead character and hero was a dreadlocked Black man in a live action sci-fi sitcom that was lightyears ahead of it's time, that shows like Futurama and Rick & Morty ripped off many decades later. Well NBC in the late 1990s wanted to do an American remake of this hugely popular show about an unlikely black hero on a giant spaceship in deep space, all the crew has been killed and he is only human survivor as he was frozen during the accident for millions of years. And the only things keeping him company is descendant of his cat who has gone through a million years of evolution and is now humanoid and is a cross between Little Richard and James Brown, there is also an overly polite android who is programmed to be honest all the time but not to hurt the feelings of humans and the Hologram representation of his annoying dead ship room mate. The makers of the British show deliberately wanted two of the main characters to be black because the Humanoid cat was Black and the dumbest character in the show, the Phoebe or Kramer on the show and didn't want the only black character on the show to be dumbest so wanted another black actor as the lead to have contrast of representation. In America they did not care about the only black character being dumb, so recast the black dreadlocked character with Craig Bierko the tall blue-eyed white actor in the US version because again the show had a white female love interest for a black lead character in the UK version.
I watched that, then this popped up as recommended. Beautiful use of algorithm utilization. Team up more with other creators again! Everyone expressing their perspective on something and quickly, maybe efficiently showing their viewers a complex view of something via the team up. The audiences benefit. The creators benefit.
Also, I related hard to Shawn on the show and almost resented Corey and Topanga. As a child so young I felt envy for those with such love or support or even just fucking money. It's creepy to reflect on as an adult who still struggles with such envy and subsequent resentment.
Angela's being Black was important and obvious, but it wasn't her entire role or personality, and the same goes for Shawn and Angela's interracial relationship. As a Black woman, that meant the world to me.
Yeah but now she bleached herself beige. So obviously the actress had complexes about her complexion and ethnicity. One black girl is not true diversity.
I absolutely LOVE the way that Angela was created and portrayed on this show. She was intelligent, articulate, natural, and she was unambiguously black. They did not just make her a sidekick to Topanga, Which is often done with black characters. They gave her own background, her own love interest, and meet her complex. I also love that they did not make them being interracial the focus of their relationship.
I also appreciated the fact that in the show, her being black was never mentioned in the show. It's like the writers wanted to create an undertone of it doesn't matter, who cares? Look at her as just another character like the rest of the cast. That's how it should be. Black folk always wanna self segregate nowadays which is completely counter productive.
And they wrote her tas a philosophical and artistic type, then gave her the longing for connection from the soul vibe. It was the best developed character. I personally was a Johnathon turner Frankie stacking fan. But they didn't even get any development in the reprisal series. Mentioned by Harley one or two times, then ghosted.
@@knucklehoagies that's cause in the 90s people were taught to be color blind. Now they're being taught to be racist again, and focus on race before anything else
I don't think that I, as well as other fans would have had an issue with Angela moving on, if Shawn had an alternative love interest that he cared about just as much as Angela. Except, he didn't. He didn't have much chemistry with Katie which makes sense since the only reason why they married is so that Maya can have a father figure. But did he really have to marry her for that to be the case? Cause I don't think so. Maya is the glue to their relationship, so as Maya gets older and more independent, the cracks in their relationship will start to show which will inevitably lead to a divorce.
well i think the show wanted to argue that Shawn really loved Katie lol but I agree they didn't really have a lot of time to develop the relationship. But the general concept of Shawn being able to find love because of what he learned from his time with Angela is a good story imo
@@T1J But sadly that isn't the story they told. If they really wanted to go a realistic route like they claimed since most high school couples don't end up together then they could have at least respected the relationship by mentioning it but not bringing her back and minimizing it OR having them re-meet later in life divorced or with kids and getting together then and forming a blended family
@@T1J I think the issue a lot of us have was HOW the treated their relationship on GMW. Instead of portraying his relationship with Angela as something genuine but just not meant to be, they make where he never really loved Angela but just "thought" he did, and then made Angela the scapegoat for all of his commitment issues which those who watched BMW know is not true.
And for all the hype about Shawn suddenly getting smitten with Katy (and his former bond with Angela getting retrotrashed), and the resulting marriage & him becoming Maya's new father, wound up being a waste because they did NOTHING with that after the wedding! I know that Mr. Strong only agreed to do a tiny number of shows (could it be because he HATED how they retrotrashed his longtime bond with Angela- and Shawn's entire progress as a person?) and he'd not appear again until the Season Three/Series Finale. However, the writers COULD have had Maya, Katy, Riley, Cory, Topanga,etc. make asides about how Shawn was doing as a new husband and father and how the three were adjusting to each other but they literally only mentioned him very briefly TWO times before he made his final appearance in that Finale with him celebrating adopting Maya. Even his adoption of Maya was lame because the very first thing she did was TELL him and Katy that she was going to live in London with Riley and the Matthewses and neither of her parents put up the slightest objections (e.g. 'No, you will VISIT them whenever school, our finances and the Matthewses' hospitality permits AND with OUR permission especially since you're too young to get a passport on your own and you have no job + no money for airfare ). Of course, at the end, Topanga decided to stay in NYC and Maya just wound up getting summoned by Riley to her room one last time where Riley declared for only the zillionth time that they'd always be friends and THAT is how they ended Season Three and the Series!
Idc what they say. Shawn didn’t love Katie. He loved her daughter. The spoiled brat acted like Shawn had to be with her mother. She was so hard up and desperate to have a dad. Shawn could have been a father figure without marrying Katie. Katie and Shawn had no chemistry. Angela is Shawn soulmate. They should have been endgame.
I met Trina McGee (Angela) at 90's Con last month, and she was delightful. I told her how iconic her portrayal of Angela was--and so many other people at the Con also mentioned to her that Shawn and Angela were their favorite BMW couple :).
@@BlackGirlLovesAnime6 i went to it too. It was in Hartford CT. They had a lot of Disney and 90s Nick stars there. Even a Slim machine and orange couch.
@@bethanychatman9531 Shawn was still in love with Angela in the reboot. It’s Cory and topanga who was basically like fuck her and get with the spoiled brat mother. He even asked Angela if he should be with her. I think he felt obligated to be with the spoiled brat mother. She was so hard up for a dad. It made me sick. I wish boys meet world would make a movie where Shawn and Angela come back together. Shawn and Angela were my favorite couple on the show.
I do appreciate that they had Angela date black men. Sure it could have been mixed with a variety of guys, but it made clear that she wasn't self-hating even though she was surrounded by whiteness. It helped that I also never got the sense that she was vying for Shawn's whiteness, or that he was better than the other guys as the white protagonist. And these guys were also not written to be "bad dudes" so of course she has to be with Shawn, he's the only decent guy. She coulda been happy with anyone, but she and Shawn just wanted each other.
I loved this show as a little kid. I identified strongly with Shawn and it broke my heart to see him not end up with Angela, who really seemed to be the person that made him truly happy. They were both, imo, the characters who anchored the show and made it as good as it was. (Eric's antics were big too, but I mean on the more serious side of the show)
It's unfortunately a popular trope when it comes to black female characters in particular (The Take talked about it recently, though they included biracial characters as well). We're there for a little spice, but it's like the black character in a horror movie: It's ultimately not meant for us to have a satisfying conclusion. We're just there to round things out for a bit. Honestly, compared to what she went through behind the scenes, I couldn't care less about the on-screen at this point (though it is problematic).
@@LadyAstarionAncunin so I never watch ABC/NBC/FOX shows like I actually hate them lol However, the lady in my life recently got me to watch greys anatomy and oh. My. Gosh. I’ve never seen better written black people. They’re actually people with feelings and opinions and goals and fears. It was surprising as hell and incredibly refreshing. As a stereotypical large disgruntled black man, it can be weird sometimes to live a life where I experience severe anxiety, am scared of the dark, pretty sensitive in general and very empathetic. It’s like two parts of my identity that don’t fit together based entirely on my experience perceiving the world. In an episode in I think season 9, a black security guard is frightened when he arrives at the hospital, and ultimately runs out in a gown and is panicking. I was taken aback at how human he was and not just some stereotype-and that was just a single-episode random character. There are many other series regulars that are black that have fully fleshed out personalities and emotions. I’m gonna stop but it’s legit the best I’ve seen (I don’t watch much shows/movies tho to be fair). One small note, however, the show in general does a very poor job with men. Not that it’s an issue-it’s a chick show and men have had more than enough time and energy devoted to stories about them (I mean patriarchy? The world? It’s entire history?) so it’s not like a gripe, but the lack of well-written men is really the only time when the writing of blackness is done poorly and it’s just because it’s men being written as idealistic deities of patience and forgiveness. Hope that all makes sense
Shawn and Angela were my favorite growing up, but I haven't rewatched the show as an adult. So I'll be interested to see how your analysis holds up against my childhood memories.
Watch it on Disney+ and see. Imo, watching it as kid initially then as an adult, Corey and Topanga are like the Disney version of true love where they're just together, infatuated, and loyal forever because the plot says so and Shawn and Angela seem more 3-dimensional like they're choosing to love each other despite all their flaws because of they're connection
@@propogandalf yeah like _whhyy_ exactly were topange and cory so in love to the point they wanted to get married? and i love that the interracial relationship wasnt a big deal at all. nowadays itd be a woke talking point with the girl just making jokes about her bf being white while he just takes it
I'm white and always thought Angela was a strong character. I also liked that they acknowledger her as a POC. She was definitely a fave. Shawn was another fave because I grew up poor and identified with him in a lot of ways.
Shawn reminds me so much of my brother in law. He came from the "other side of the tracks," he had a ver conservative upbringing, they were high school sweethearts, they were on again off again, he idolized my parents marriage as an ideal that he never had growing up, and he took it much harder when they ended up getting divorced and ruined his ideal of what a marriage should be. And then he killed himself... I dunno it just kind of stuck me just how much the Shawn character got right and also so much of what has to be left on the table when you try to make a good representation of how people play out in the real world. I can't help but thinking if the writers were honest, they would have written the same ending and that's just so tragic.
im sorry to hear that. shawn is definitely the kid that 'grew up too fast' or had too. getting himself in bad situatiosn cuz no one was looking out for him. also the type to have sex really young although that isnt really addressed cuz he just dates several girls. hwoever, he did imply he had experience but just didnt go all the way yet in that killer epsiode
as a Mexican kid watching this show back in the day, I always thought Angela was the most beautiful character & I also did love her character's personality. I was happy Shawn found her, because I always felt terrible for that character. It's so sad to hear that Trina McGee who played Angela was treated so bad by the staff that she was not even on the show's final episode. I think other actors were jealous & did not want to include her. Also, production was super mean telling her to "turn down her blackness" I'm not back but I can't even imagine the pain Trina McGee felt & she played such a good character/did an amazing job.
I just love the way Shawn looked at Angela. If the heart eyes emoji were a person, it would've been Shawn whenever he looked at Angela 😂 Their chemistry was so good. Even on Girl Meets World you could sense that same chemistry. Which is why it felt crazy as hell that she was encouraging him to be with somebody else on that show.
I saw her in Waikiki back in the day and she could tell I could recognize her. Gave me a big smile and kept it moving. She seemed like a really down to earth person
what girl meets world did to their relationship, to this day, makes me upset. by all means, I understand that not every couple works out in the end and that was even the writers' excuse for not putting them back together, but the way the show treated her and their relationship as a whole was just insulting. as a black woman, boy meets world was one of the few shows where a black love interest wasn't seen as disposable so it was very satisfying seeing a white man so madly in love with a black (BLACK) woman...and girl meets world just threw all of that in the trash. with other disposable black love interests, they're often there for a few episodes at most so I think what hurts about this show is that since Angela was there for such a long time, they essentially stringed us along for years having us think that a black woman was going to get her happy ending...and then girl meets world came along. that show tried to convince us that Shawn never loved her to begin with, Cory and topanga act like they don't even know who she is, and the new characters are mean to her for literally no reason, and to top it off they treat her so poorly and talk down on her all to hype up the blonde woman that is Shawn's new love interest and topanga's new best friend. I hate the argument that they tried to demonstrate "realism" by not putting them together, simply because of Cory's relationships with every other BMW character. I swear, Cory and topanga keep in contact with EVERYONE, even characters who were on very few episodes of the original show, and yet when it comes to their best friend from college, she is the one person the writers suddenly want to use to show that people grow apart so to me it wasn't that this high school/college couple didn't work out and went their separate ways, it was more like the show said that in order to give these two white people a happy ending, they needed to villainize, sh*t on and write out their one black character. I'll always be salty
Speaking of season 1… i rly HATED how they changed Topanga’s characher😭 i really liked her as the weird hippy girl it was the reason why i liked her and one of the reason’s why i kept watching. For example her vegetarianism… wiped Unique way of thinking… wiped Her own (familial) antics… wiped She just became ”Cory’s girlfriend” in a sort of way😪😪
@@gabthegreat yeah. Season 1 of Boy Meets World seemed like a completely different show from the other seasons. It having a in-credit theme song, Minkus being one of the main characters, Topanga being a weird hippie chick, her and Shawn having sisters, and Topanga meeting Eric for the first time in that same episode where she had a crush on him. It’s almost like the show was still in development WHILE airing on ABC lol
I was 14 when it first aired on German TV. Sean was always my favourite. He had real issues not like spoiled boring Cory. Growing up broke without my dad and with bad grades he was always the relatable one. Absolutely loved Angela once she joined. I always wanted to see more of her. I rewatched it a few years ago as an adult. Still good even though the Cory Tupanga story is so US 19. Being on college and engaged but no sex. So realistic 🙄. I'm long term single and very unromantic so I get that they didn't end up together. But still, I was gutted when when I watched boy meets world and they didn't end up together
Normally I find it annoying when they just put a black person in the cast just to make it diverse, but Angela was real ,they didn't make it this huge thing that she was black, and they didn't try to whitewash her she was just herself and that is why I love her because they didn't make being black her personality
I really appreciated this take. 💗 Boy meets world was definitely a favorite of mine, and I really related to Shawn. I loved him with Angela, but it's cool to revisit it through adult eyes.
Always nice to hear T's opinions. Even if I knew nothing about BMW and kinda dislike sitcoms, you make the things you talk about interesting no matter what. Keep it up
Angela is the best character on the show for me. She was so warm and real and dressed so cute. Shawn and Angela were my favorite part of BMW and also the most interesting part. They are in my top favorite couples on TV alongside Mulder and Scully and Joey and Pacey from Dawson's Creek. I will never not be upset at what they did with this couple and the real life racism Trina McGee faced. It's cool that the talk about this show isn't just about Corey and Topanga these days like it was in the 90s and 2000s.
I enjoyed this video! I related to this couple so much. I was always the poor and troubled good looking kid who had no parental or family support, didn’t have stable housing, or any money or adults to depend on. Shawn was so relatable in every way. I always hoped I’d find my Angela and was super heartbroken to hear that Girl Meets World was even a thing and purposely didn’t watch because I knew they wouldn’t put Shawn and Angela together and I’m happier with the fan fiction inside my head 😂
I watched Boy Meets World through reruns on disney channel because the low-income housing complex we lived in had cable. Shawn was a very important character to me, as a kid who was poor, from a dysfunctional household, and severely depressed. I was very attached to him and wished he could be my older brother so I could have someone who would understand and not shame me for how i felt. My partner grew up in the same boat. Poor, neglected, unstable in many similar ways. We met in high school, but didn't become a couple until years after graduation. I've helped them through grief and other hard times, and on my lowest days they've always taken a moment to remind me that i am not a difficult to love and that they don't consider me a burden not worth the effort. We have cats and plan to be together for the rest of our lives. Maybe we're like if Shawn and Angela made it work. Except more queer and disabled lol
yeah, it’s very clear that shawn and angela both had very deep rooted issues stemming from their childhood that they had to work through. though, it was very refreshing seeing them overcome the hurdles that were causing them to repeatedly self-sabotage and the scene where they got back together was genuinely so heartfelt and such an emotionally rewarding moment, honestly up there as one of the most earnest “i love you” scenes in general. even though part of me is genuinely upset that they didn’t end up together as, to me, they’re essentially twin flames and were just so intensely connected to each other (not simply in regards to emotional trauma), i do believe the biggest problem people have in regards to their portrayal in GMW is that angela’s character and relationships were severely diminished, almost erased entirely. not just with shawn, but with topanga and corey as well. there are many factors that make it very hard to believe that they just never spoke again after angela left to go to europe for a year (especially since she intended to go back to finish university, i’m pretty sure). the fact that they had to basically retcon her existence in relation to the others to prop up another ship was such a bad disservice to angela and the complicated but very meaningful journey she went on with shawn.
Fun fact Angela hated doing the show she said Topanga and Corey and Eric was mean to her. Shawn also wanted her to be apart of Girl meets world but Corey protested it
The good news is that Will Friedel (Eric) and Danielle Fishel (Topanga) HAVE apologized to Miss McGee for their earlier rudeness and they have all become friends. I haven't heard anyone say that Ben Savage has done the same, though.
As a kid in the 90s, I was obsessed with this relationship. I'm a Black mixed-race woman with interracial parents and I just didn't see enough of that in media back then.
I feel the same way about sitcoms and never encountered another individual who understands the joy sitcoms bring me. I love this!!! Also BMW was my show!!!
DUDE!!! You just gained a new fan! Not only did you summarize one of my favorite teenage shows but you also helped summarize my most important relationships in my past. The inevitable “The One That Got Away”. I might just share this with her. Thank you for your brilliant perspective!
They were THE couple and the fact that they didn't end up together was extremely telling. Even tho I loved Shawn and her, there was a very palpable tension with Corey when they had a fight in the coed shower that I never saw anyone address
People don’t give the show the credit it deserves. This was a show! It was incredible the direction they were going in and for the time. So happy I got to enjoy it as a kid
The only issue I have with this is, are people who come from traumatic backgrounds just doomed then? Sometimes you just go through life without ever getting closure one the things that weigh your mind or have affected your personal relationships and there's really not a whole lot you can do about it. Not everyone has the luxury of having a support system or being financially stable enough to seek therapy. Its something that's kind of bothered me about people who say that one needs to work on themselves before they get into a relationship. Expecting someone else to 'fix' you (or using others as a drug to feel good) shouldn't be an aim in a relationship but at the same time I also don't think people should avoid relationships completely either.
It definitely is a hard topic with many bleak views on it. There are rarely stories that portray characters really healing. Most of them that turn out "good" are some rags to riches corruption of the disenfranchised character.
no. michael jacobs jsut wanted to subtly shoehorn Christianity into it and act as if innocent seeming couples like cory and topanga who've known each other all their lives, despite being a fantasy, are relationships to strive for. most ppl dont marry their high school sweetheart let alone knew each other since theyr were little kids
@@MsDudette21 This comment is confusing. People from troubled upbringings can have healthy relationships, there is obviously healing that needs to happen, and that is something that aligns with Christian redemption & growth as well. I honestly just think that they didn’t want any relationship or characters to outshine Cory & Topanga, being that they were the main characters. I don’t think that has to do with trying to shoehorn in Christianity. Every show will do that, or they’ll develop a spin-off with those side characters. And if Michael Jacobs is a Christian, his beliefs will come through in all his work, just like anyone else with their set beliefs. That’s how it works.
Never watched Boy Meets World. Similar age, but grew out of sit-coms. Still enjoyed your analysis of this relationship that comes closer to reality than most TV relationships.
I agree that it makes sense that a couple like Shawn and Angela would probably break up and drift apart in the real world much the same way they did on the show. But from a narrative perspective, it was just so heartbreaking to see them part ways. They had a different, more down-to-earth kind of relationship compared to Cory and Topanga, but you still hoped just as hard for them to make it as you did for C & T.
Loved Boy Meets World as a kid. Always caught TGIF to see it (as well as Sabrina, Step by Step, and Family Matters). Was a little disappointed with Girl Meets World overall, but I'm pretty sure I'd say I enjoyed it overall.
The really sad part was Angela attempted to break up with Shaun a few times and he wouldn’t leave her be so she calls her Dad and the Dad is like stay with the guy 🤷🏻♀️
I love this video! Sometimes, relationships end and I love how the shawn and angela relationship was still considered a "successfull" relationship. It's so much more realistic.
The actor that played Shawn actually hated it, he was extremely uncomfortable being a kid, making out with kids he'd only met that day, in front of adults going "oooh" and "ahhh".
Honestly watching the show growing up. I loved Shawn and Angela's relationship. It was just so honest of relationships at the time. It showed the both had flaws, and had growing up to do. And that it was okay, that not every relationship is story book perfect. For me what they did in GMW, makes no sense. They tried to down play their relationship. Clearly Angela meant a lot to Shawn, idk why the show tried to make it seem like it did not. We need a rewrite on their story or a better Fanfic about their relationship
I thought Angela was a great character and even though i am not black, growing up in an area that is actually predominantly non-white i actually somehow related more to her than most other sitcom teen girls. I always liked Topanga too because she was different from most teen girls but Angela was alot more like my friends and even myself. I also related more to Shawn too than others because i grew up lower middle class and my father had been abandoned and grew up like Shawn so he wanted a better life for me but made it known that life isnt fair and almost Los ng my mother to cancer drove that home. This show really spoke to me more than any other sitcom for those reasons.
Great video! 30/f/SoCal, and I LOVED your commentary- absolutely perfect. Your love of sitcoms, as well as the nuance of this relationship, is exactly what I was looking for. 10/10
i just randomly came across your channel and watched because i love boy meets world. but wow dude, you are great at talking about shows. really enjoy listening to you!
loved this video and I loved the analysis from Shawn and Angela's relationship. I admit I loved them much more than Cory and Topanga and hated that they didn't end up together lol although I agree it was realistic.
I was so excited to hear your plug in Jose's video! I loved this couple and was momentarily disappointed Jose wasn't going to analyze it. Then you popped up! Time to tuck in to more great content :D
@T1J I found this video because the algorithm was algorithming, and this video popped up on my timeline. Can you please upload more sitcom based content? Or make a separate channel for it. This was masterfully executed.
This was so enjoyable and a nice throwback. I haven't watched Boy Meets World since I originally grew up with it as a kid, but I definitely remember it being one of my favorite shows of my childhood. Thank you for this deep dive. =)
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Eric was HILARIOUS. Him and Sean were the only reasons I watched the show. Cory n Tapanga got on my NERVES being SO YOUNG and in love. It was nauseating.
Damn makes me wanna go back and watch for real. Def watched a decent amount of episodes as a kid but not enough to really remember storylines or the later seasons.
Especially because she was added for diversity. At that time, people were unhappy with ABC's TGIF night's because there were few minorities on TV, and I think Urkel's show was one of, if not the only black show on at the time. The networks started adding more minorities, so there may be multiple shows with an all white cast, who suddenly have minorities on them for a few episodes or season.
I went and watched the video you referenced. The Take does not make good videos. They are the kind of smarmy, slick over-produced content that I couldn't watch more than a few minutes of. It felt like I was watching a commercial for a fast food restaurant. It presents itself as expressing revelatory or new information but does it in the most basic way possible. The way the voiceover over-emotes is particularly grating. I much prefer this video. It's real and thoughtful and does not feel or sound like an advertisement.
@@thegazetteyt Hey, it's not the content It's the style and production. I don't disagree with their take, they got it right as did this video. It was just my gut reaction to the Applebee's style production. You didn't pick up on how it's over-produced, very slick and the voice over tries for that extremely warm persuasive tone that you usually get when someone is selling you something? I apologize if my comment seemed to be disagreement on the facts or criticism of you for referencing it. That wasn't my intent. It was entirely the style and production that caused my reaction. For me that got in the way of wanting to watch it. That style of production elicits a visceral reaction of dislike. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. Again, apologies for not being more clear.
Angela was one of my main childhood crushes, I suppose it was not just because she was cute as a button but I saw myself in Shawn so I identified with them as a couple and lived vicariously through them. I was that poor White kid that never had many of the things "normal" kids had including a Dad who died when I was a baby and my Mom had me very late in life, she was the age of many of my friends grandmothers and died of cancer before I finished school. I was never hungry or lacked basics but it was a challenging childhood and I identified with Shawn so seeing him and Angela make it was a inspiration to a kid who never had many victories in life, I hated when they broke up, thankfully I was getting older and better able to cope with all the problems life through at me by then.
I think it was important that Shawn and Angela didn’t end up together. It provided the balance to the “perfect” Corey and Topanga relationship. C&T set up an expectation of young love that is actually unhealthily unrealistic 9 out of 10 times. S&A gave a better look at what young adults should probably expect (through a sitcom lens). Great work, thanks for the video! Jose’s video is amazing! Thanks for plugging it.
Man, this show was so good, and honestly I feel like it played a very important role in US entertainment. Like Sitcoms and other shows that spanded years would often fall apart when the actors would age, but the writers wouldn’t take this into consideration. An example, is often when an actress got pregnant, they’d use tricks to hide her belly, or just say “Oh this character suddenly decided to follow their dreams and travel the world.” Though it wasn’t due to getting pregnant but 7th Heaven basically removed one of the main characters with no explanation. Game of Thrones made an interesting decision with replacing the actors, and other series use time skips. Vikings would use very cool techniques like slowly adding in gray hair on Ragnar, lengthened beards. Added crows feat / wrinkles to particular characters. During the seasons, covering a long period of time, doing all these small things each episode. So when the next season aired, the passage of time wouldn’t be as noticeable. But there’s something magical about growing up with a series.
Two things first this is a great breakdown of Angela and Shawn great video. Two the girl meets world episode was such a let down not Because they didn’t end up together but because if she was Topanga’s best friend why weren’t they in any scenes together and the interaction with Cory was minimal overall that episode was not good. But T1J I wanted to be a hater but this was truly amazing
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As British Black guy I have become super sensitive at the American media's double standards when representing interracial couples. It seems to be treated as mainstream and normal when it is a white male character with a black female character, but when it is a black male character with a white female character it is treated as taboo and racial politics are more involved, despite the fact in the USA white women with Black men is more common than the other way around statistically. What made me sensitive was watching the Louis Gate Jr documentary Black Hollywood in 2008. In this doc Gates ask the big Hollywood producer Arnaud Miclan, who is big producer in Hollywood to this day, why has every attractive Black female actress had a white male love interest, but you never see an A-List American white actress with a black male love interest. He let slip the truth. He said when it is a white man with a black woman it is exotic, but when it is a white woman with a black man it is dangerous. He is basically saying it is personal preference of white male producers and they don't want to promote black men to white women. This guy was never cancelled and still making big movies today like Deep Water, Gone Girl and 12 years a slave.
So when I found out two of my favourite British shows were being remade for American audiences and they were the shows Utopia and Ghosts. On both these shows the main character is black, but on both shows, there are white female love interests for these characters. In Utopia there are two white female characters vying for the black male character and it is vital to plot that this character is black and in Ghosts it is a about a normal married interracial couple who buy a hotel that is full of ghosts of the guests who died there throughout the century. These remakes were really going to test the Hollywood double standard and boy did Hollywood prove they have this anti-black man agenda. For Utopia US version they just whitewashed the show and made the black main character a white man in the American version and race bent the white female love rivals to black women in the US version. SMH. And in Ghosts remade by CBS, they race bent the black husband character to an Indian, probably because Big Bang Theory their biggest hit had an Indian. And I just thought wow, Hollywood is still anti- black male in 2022.
They did the same for one of my all time favourite sitcoms the sci-fi sitcom Red Dwarf. It was the most watched sitcom in the UK in the mid 1980s and the lead character and hero was a dreadlocked Black man in a live action sci-fi sitcom that was lightyears ahead of it's time, that shows like Futurama and Rick & Morty ripped off many decades later. Well NBC in the late 1990s wanted to do an American remake of this hugely popular show about an unlikely black hero on a giant spaceship in deep space, all the crew has been killed and he is only human survivor as he was frozen during the accident for millions of years. And the only things keeping him company is descendant of his cat who has gone through a million years of evolution and is now humanoid and is a cross between Little Richard and James Brown, there is also an overly polite android who is programmed to be honest all the time but not to hurt the feelings of humans and the Hologram representation of his annoying dead ship room mate. The makers of the British show deliberately wanted two of the main characters to be black because the Humanoid cat was Black and the dumbest character in the show, the Phoebe or Kramer on the show and didn't want the only black character on the show to be dumbest so wanted another black actor as the lead to have contrast of representation. In America they did not care about the only black character being dumb, so recast the black dreadlocked character with Craig Bierko the tall blue-eyed white actor in the US version because again the show had a white female love interest for a black lead character in the UK version.
I watched that, then this popped up as recommended. Beautiful use of algorithm utilization. Team up more with other creators again! Everyone expressing their perspective on something and quickly, maybe efficiently showing their viewers a complex view of something via the team up. The audiences benefit. The creators benefit.
Also, I related hard to Shawn on the show and almost resented Corey and Topanga. As a child so young I felt envy for those with such love or support or even just fucking money. It's creepy to reflect on as an adult who still struggles with such envy and subsequent resentment.
I love the episode where Sean finds Angela’s purse and falls in love with that woman he didn’t even know. 😭😭😭
Watched that first. Love the cross promotion
Angela's being Black was important and obvious, but it wasn't her entire role or personality, and the same goes for Shawn and Angela's interracial relationship. As a Black woman, that meant the world to me.
Yeah same for me I really loved the character of Angela
As a black man it makes me mad how black goddesses fall for skinny white guys bleh
I third!
I still look back in joy of her scenes and relationship with the other characters of the show.😍❤
It may have looked nice as a fictional TV show, but the real actress endured racism on set by some of the other white cast members so…
Yeah but now she bleached herself beige. So obviously the actress had complexes about her complexion and ethnicity. One black girl is not true diversity.
I absolutely LOVE the way that Angela was created and portrayed on this show. She was intelligent, articulate, natural, and she was unambiguously black. They did not just make her a sidekick to Topanga, Which is often done with black characters. They gave her own background, her own love interest, and meet her complex.
I also love that they did not make them being interracial the focus of their relationship.
I also appreciated the fact that in the show, her being black was never mentioned in the show. It's like the writers wanted to create an undertone of it doesn't matter, who cares? Look at her as just another character like the rest of the cast. That's how it should be. Black folk always wanna self segregate nowadays which is completely counter productive.
And they wrote her tas a philosophical and artistic type, then gave her the longing for connection from the soul vibe. It was the best developed character. I personally was a Johnathon turner Frankie stacking fan. But they didn't even get any development in the reprisal series. Mentioned by Harley one or two times, then ghosted.
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@@spencersharp4599 love this comment!!
@@knucklehoagies that's cause in the 90s people were taught to be color blind. Now they're being taught to be racist again, and focus on race before anything else
I don't think that I, as well as other fans would have had an issue with Angela moving on, if Shawn had an alternative love interest that he cared about just as much as Angela. Except, he didn't. He didn't have much chemistry with Katie which makes sense since the only reason why they married is so that Maya can have a father figure. But did he really have to marry her for that to be the case? Cause I don't think so. Maya is the glue to their relationship, so as Maya gets older and more independent, the cracks in their relationship will start to show which will inevitably lead to a divorce.
well i think the show wanted to argue that Shawn really loved Katie lol but I agree they didn't really have a lot of time to develop the relationship. But the general concept of Shawn being able to find love because of what he learned from his time with Angela is a good story imo
@@T1J But sadly that isn't the story they told. If they really wanted to go a realistic route like they claimed since most high school couples don't end up together then they could have at least respected the relationship by mentioning it but not bringing her back and minimizing it OR having them re-meet later in life divorced or with kids and getting together then and forming a blended family
@@T1J I think the issue a lot of us have was HOW the treated their relationship on GMW. Instead of portraying his relationship with Angela as something genuine but just not meant to be, they make where he never really loved Angela but just "thought" he did, and then made Angela the scapegoat for all of his commitment issues which those who watched BMW know is not true.
And for all the hype about Shawn suddenly getting smitten with Katy (and his former bond with Angela getting retrotrashed), and the resulting marriage & him becoming Maya's new father, wound up being a waste because they did NOTHING with that after the wedding! I know that Mr. Strong only agreed to do a tiny number of shows (could it be because he HATED how they retrotrashed his longtime bond with Angela- and Shawn's entire progress as a person?) and he'd not appear again until the Season Three/Series Finale. However, the writers COULD have had Maya, Katy, Riley, Cory, Topanga,etc. make asides about how Shawn was doing as a new husband and father and how the three were adjusting to each other but they literally only mentioned him very briefly TWO times before he made his final appearance in that Finale with him celebrating adopting Maya. Even his adoption of Maya was lame because the very first thing she did was TELL him and Katy that she was going to live in London with Riley and the Matthewses and neither of her parents put up the slightest objections (e.g. 'No, you will VISIT them whenever school, our finances and the Matthewses' hospitality permits AND with OUR permission especially since you're too young to get a passport on your own and you have no job + no money for airfare ). Of course, at the end, Topanga decided to stay in NYC and Maya just wound up getting summoned by Riley to her room one last time where Riley declared for only the zillionth time that they'd always be friends and THAT is how they ended Season Three and the Series!
Idc what they say. Shawn didn’t love Katie. He loved her daughter. The spoiled brat acted like Shawn had to be with her mother. She was so hard up and desperate to have a dad. Shawn could have been a father figure without marrying Katie. Katie and Shawn had no chemistry. Angela is Shawn soulmate. They should have been endgame.
I met Trina McGee (Angela) at 90's Con last month, and she was delightful. I told her how iconic her portrayal of Angela was--and so many other people at the Con also mentioned to her that Shawn and Angela were their favorite BMW couple :).
That’s a thing? Omg where is the convention at? Sounds so fun
@@BlackGirlLovesAnime6 i went to it too. It was in Hartford CT. They had a lot of Disney and 90s Nick stars there. Even a Slim machine and orange couch.
@@DrVVVinK oh wow I’ve never even heard of this. I wonder if they still have it.
They were my favorite as well!
@@DrVVVinKwas it fun
I've heard people call Angela the token disposable black love interest and I'm like how? He wanted to be with her. There wasn't anyone else.
I think because later on in the reboot she was treated like that. They made her the villain also.
Maybe they’re referring to how the character was treated by the writers, not by characters within the story
Many people do not like to see black girls with white guys.
@@bethanychatman9531 I'm going to act like that reboot never happened.
@@bethanychatman9531 Shawn was still in love with Angela in the reboot. It’s Cory and topanga who was basically like fuck her and get with the spoiled brat mother. He even asked Angela if he should be with her. I think he felt obligated to be with the spoiled brat mother. She was so hard up for a dad. It made me sick. I wish boys meet world would make a movie where Shawn and Angela come back together. Shawn and Angela were my favorite couple on the show.
I do appreciate that they had Angela date black men. Sure it could have been mixed with a variety of guys, but it made clear that she wasn't self-hating even though she was surrounded by whiteness. It helped that I also never got the sense that she was vying for Shawn's whiteness, or that he was better than the other guys as the white protagonist. And these guys were also not written to be "bad dudes" so of course she has to be with Shawn, he's the only decent guy. She coulda been happy with anyone, but she and Shawn just wanted each other.
Like when bm date Ww? Self hate.
@@lifeis2171 Sorry, I don't understand what this comment is attempting to communicate
this is a really good point
I'm with you except for the "whiteness" part. Sounds like you've got some funny ideas about white people.
@@shaunhunterit342 Okey dokey
I loved this show as a little kid. I identified strongly with Shawn and it broke my heart to see him not end up with Angela, who really seemed to be the person that made him truly happy. They were both, imo, the characters who anchored the show and made it as good as it was. (Eric's antics were big too, but I mean on the more serious side of the show)
I lost a lot of interest in the show when they didn't work out! Still loved it but it felt like a personal break up xD
Eric and Mr. Feeny are an incredibly underrated comedic duo
It's unfortunately a popular trope when it comes to black female characters in particular (The Take talked about it recently, though they included biracial characters as well). We're there for a little spice, but it's like the black character in a horror movie: It's ultimately not meant for us to have a satisfying conclusion. We're just there to round things out for a bit.
Honestly, compared to what she went through behind the scenes, I couldn't care less about the on-screen at this point (though it is problematic).
@@LadyAstarionAncunin so I never watch ABC/NBC/FOX shows like I actually hate them lol
However, the lady in my life recently got me to watch greys anatomy and oh. My. Gosh. I’ve never seen better written black people. They’re actually people with feelings and opinions and goals and fears. It was surprising as hell and incredibly refreshing.
As a stereotypical large disgruntled black man, it can be weird sometimes to live a life where I experience severe anxiety, am scared of the dark, pretty sensitive in general and very empathetic. It’s like two parts of my identity that don’t fit together based entirely on my experience perceiving the world.
In an episode in I think season 9, a black security guard is frightened when he arrives at the hospital, and ultimately runs out in a gown and is panicking. I was taken aback at how human he was and not just some stereotype-and that was just a single-episode random character. There are many other series regulars that are black that have fully fleshed out personalities and emotions. I’m gonna stop but it’s legit the best I’ve seen (I don’t watch much shows/movies tho to be fair).
One small note, however, the show in general does a very poor job with men. Not that it’s an issue-it’s a chick show and men have had more than enough time and energy devoted to stories about them (I mean patriarchy? The world? It’s entire history?) so it’s not like a gripe, but the lack of well-written men is really the only time when the writing of blackness is done poorly and it’s just because it’s men being written as idealistic deities of patience and forgiveness. Hope that all makes sense
@Nanimo The Take is the GOAT
Shawn and Angela were my favorite growing up, but I haven't rewatched the show as an adult. So I'll be interested to see how your analysis holds up against my childhood memories.
Watch it on Disney+ and see. Imo, watching it as kid initially then as an adult, Corey and Topanga are like the Disney version of true love where they're just together, infatuated, and loyal forever because the plot says so and Shawn and Angela seem more 3-dimensional like they're choosing to love each other despite all their flaws because of they're connection
@@propogandalf yeah like _whhyy_ exactly were topange and cory so in love to the point they wanted to get married? and i love that the interracial relationship wasnt a big deal at all. nowadays itd be a woke talking point with the girl just making jokes about her bf being white while he just takes it
I'm white and always thought Angela was a strong character. I also liked that they acknowledger her as a POC. She was definitely a fave. Shawn was another fave because I grew up poor and identified with him in a lot of ways.
Nah you're right though- Angela IS the best character in the show.
Topanga's god tier level hair is second
Shawn reminds me so much of my brother in law. He came from the "other side of the tracks," he had a ver conservative upbringing, they were high school sweethearts, they were on again off again, he idolized my parents marriage as an ideal that he never had growing up, and he took it much harder when they ended up getting divorced and ruined his ideal of what a marriage should be.
And then he killed himself... I dunno it just kind of stuck me just how much the Shawn character got right and also so much of what has to be left on the table when you try to make a good representation of how people play out in the real world. I can't help but thinking if the writers were honest, they would have written the same ending and that's just so tragic.
im sorry to hear that. shawn is definitely the kid that 'grew up too fast' or had too. getting himself in bad situatiosn cuz no one was looking out for him. also the type to have sex really young although that isnt really addressed cuz he just dates several girls. hwoever, he did imply he had experience but just didnt go all the way yet in that killer epsiode
Wow, sorry about your brother in law
as a Mexican kid watching this show back in the day, I always thought Angela was the most beautiful character & I also did love her character's personality. I was happy Shawn found her, because I always felt terrible for that character. It's so sad to hear that Trina McGee who played Angela was treated so bad by the staff that she was not even on the show's final episode. I think other actors were jealous & did not want to include her. Also, production was super mean telling her to "turn down her blackness"
I'm not back but I can't even imagine the pain Trina McGee felt & she played such a good character/did an amazing job.
I just love the way Shawn looked at Angela. If the heart eyes emoji were a person, it would've been Shawn whenever he looked at Angela 😂 Their chemistry was so good. Even on Girl Meets World you could sense that same chemistry. Which is why it felt crazy as hell that she was encouraging him to be with somebody else on that show.
I saw her in Waikiki back in the day and she could tell I could recognize her. Gave me a big smile and kept it moving. She seemed like a really down to earth person
what girl meets world did to their relationship, to this day, makes me upset. by all means, I understand that not every couple works out in the end and that was even the writers' excuse for not putting them back together, but the way the show treated her and their relationship as a whole was just insulting. as a black woman, boy meets world was one of the few shows where a black love interest wasn't seen as disposable so it was very satisfying seeing a white man so madly in love with a black (BLACK) woman...and girl meets world just threw all of that in the trash. with other disposable black love interests, they're often there for a few episodes at most so I think what hurts about this show is that since Angela was there for such a long time, they essentially stringed us along for years having us think that a black woman was going to get her happy ending...and then girl meets world came along. that show tried to convince us that Shawn never loved her to begin with, Cory and topanga act like they don't even know who she is, and the new characters are mean to her for literally no reason, and to top it off they treat her so poorly and talk down on her all to hype up the blonde woman that is Shawn's new love interest and topanga's new best friend. I hate the argument that they tried to demonstrate "realism" by not putting them together, simply because of Cory's relationships with every other BMW character. I swear, Cory and topanga keep in contact with EVERYONE, even characters who were on very few episodes of the original show, and yet when it comes to their best friend from college, she is the one person the writers suddenly want to use to show that people grow apart
so to me it wasn't that this high school/college couple didn't work out and went their separate ways, it was more like the show said that in order to give these two white people a happy ending, they needed to villainize, sh*t on and write out their one black character. I'll always be salty
When you said Nebula, I thought you were gonna talk about Topanga’s one-off sister from season 1 lol
Speaking of season 1… i rly HATED how they changed Topanga’s characher😭 i really liked her as the weird hippy girl it was the reason why i liked her and one of the reason’s why i kept watching.
For example her vegetarianism… wiped
Unique way of thinking… wiped
Her own (familial) antics… wiped
She just became ”Cory’s girlfriend” in a sort of way😪😪
@@gabthegreat yeah. Season 1 of Boy Meets World seemed like a completely different show from the other seasons. It having a in-credit theme song, Minkus being one of the main characters, Topanga being a weird hippie chick, her and Shawn having sisters, and Topanga meeting Eric for the first time in that same episode where she had a crush on him.
It’s almost like the show was still in development WHILE airing on ABC lol
Eric became so much of a cartoon character that he started voicing them for a living!
I was 14 when it first aired on German TV. Sean was always my favourite. He had real issues not like spoiled boring Cory. Growing up broke without my dad and with bad grades he was always the relatable one. Absolutely loved Angela once she joined. I always wanted to see more of her.
I rewatched it a few years ago as an adult. Still good even though the Cory Tupanga story is so US 19. Being on college and engaged but no sex. So realistic 🙄.
I'm long term single and very unromantic so I get that they didn't end up together. But still, I was gutted when when I watched boy meets world and they didn't end up together
I vaguely remember that episode that they rented a hotel room to have sex. And then decided not to. I’m glad because sex is really perverted
@@JamesChessman 😂😂 why is cinsentual sex perverted? They were old enough when they even considered it
Normally I find it annoying when they just put a black person in the cast just to make it diverse, but Angela was real ,they didn't make it this huge thing that she was black, and they didn't try to whitewash her she was just herself and that is why I love her because they didn't make being black her personality
I really appreciated this take. 💗 Boy meets world was definitely a favorite of mine, and I really related to Shawn. I loved him with Angela, but it's cool to revisit it through adult eyes.
I cant help but wonder why Shawn and Angela couldnt have had a long distance relationship
Always nice to hear T's opinions. Even if I knew nothing about BMW and kinda dislike sitcoms, you make the things you talk about interesting no matter what. Keep it up
Angela is the best character on the show for me. She was so warm and real and dressed so cute. Shawn and Angela were my favorite part of BMW and also the most interesting part. They are in my top favorite couples on TV alongside Mulder and Scully and Joey and Pacey from Dawson's Creek. I will never not be upset at what they did with this couple and the real life racism Trina McGee faced. It's cool that the talk about this show isn't just about Corey and Topanga these days like it was in the 90s and 2000s.
I enjoyed this video! I related to this couple so much. I was always the poor and troubled good looking kid who had no parental or family support, didn’t have stable housing, or any money or adults to depend on. Shawn was so relatable in every way. I always hoped I’d find my Angela and was super heartbroken to hear that Girl Meets World was even a thing and purposely didn’t watch because I knew they wouldn’t put Shawn and Angela together and I’m happier with the fan fiction inside my head 😂
My problem is the way Angela was treated in girl meets World and the way Shawn and Katie's relationship in the sequel felt so forced
I watched Boy Meets World through reruns on disney channel because the low-income housing complex we lived in had cable. Shawn was a very important character to me, as a kid who was poor, from a dysfunctional household, and severely depressed. I was very attached to him and wished he could be my older brother so I could have someone who would understand and not shame me for how i felt.
My partner grew up in the same boat. Poor, neglected, unstable in many similar ways. We met in high school, but didn't become a couple until years after graduation. I've helped them through grief and other hard times, and on my lowest days they've always taken a moment to remind me that i am not a difficult to love and that they don't consider me a burden not worth the effort. We have cats and plan to be together for the rest of our lives.
Maybe we're like if Shawn and Angela made it work. Except more queer and disabled lol
yeah, it’s very clear that shawn and angela both had very deep rooted issues stemming from their childhood that they had to work through. though, it was very refreshing seeing them overcome the hurdles that were causing them to repeatedly self-sabotage and the scene where they got back together was genuinely so heartfelt and such an emotionally rewarding moment, honestly up there as one of the most earnest “i love you” scenes in general. even though part of me is genuinely upset that they didn’t end up together as, to me, they’re essentially twin flames and were just so intensely connected to each other (not simply in regards to emotional trauma), i do believe the biggest problem people have in regards to their portrayal in GMW is that angela’s character and relationships were severely diminished, almost erased entirely. not just with shawn, but with topanga and corey as well. there are many factors that make it very hard to believe that they just never spoke again after angela left to go to europe for a year (especially since she intended to go back to finish university, i’m pretty sure). the fact that they had to basically retcon her existence in relation to the others to prop up another ship was such a bad disservice to angela and the complicated but very meaningful journey she went on with shawn.
Watched this over on Nebula earlier, just here to thumbs up. I really wish Nebula had a comment section
I didn't know that I needed T1J's takes/thoughts on Boy Meets World, but I'm glad this video exists 😁
Fun fact Angela hated doing the show she said Topanga and Corey and Eric was mean to her. Shawn also wanted her to be apart of Girl meets world but Corey protested it
The good news is that Will Friedel (Eric) and Danielle Fishel (Topanga) HAVE apologized to Miss McGee for their earlier rudeness and they have all become friends. I haven't heard anyone say that Ben Savage has done the same, though.
Shawn and Angela was also my favorite couple on BMW. I liked Cory and Topanga but I LOVED Angela and Shawn❤
I am so glad that you popped up in José's video, happy to be introduced to your stuff, looks awesome
As a kid in the 90s, I was obsessed with this relationship. I'm a Black mixed-race woman with interracial parents and I just didn't see enough of that in media back then.
OMG 10 years later an Angela is gorgeous!!!
I feel the same way about sitcoms and never encountered another individual who understands the joy sitcoms bring me. I love this!!! Also BMW was my show!!!
Loved this! I rewatch from season 5 and up, I skip episodes that don’t feature Angela 🤷🏾♀️🤣 thank you Disney Plus!
DUDE!!! You just gained a new fan! Not only did you summarize one of my favorite teenage shows but you also helped summarize my most important relationships in my past. The inevitable “The One That Got Away”. I might just share this with her. Thank you for your brilliant perspective!
You made perfect sense about why they ended towards the end.
I still boo'd the entire time🤣
Thank you for the video!
They were THE couple and the fact that they didn't end up together was extremely telling. Even tho I loved Shawn and her, there was a very palpable tension with Corey when they had a fight in the coed shower that I never saw anyone address
yess bro i thought i was crazy when they was fighting in the bathroom, I was like oh .... like there was some tension
@@faiyaz9768 right like if they were bolder that could have been pursued because 👀
This was kind of a good reminder to why I use to love that show as a kid
People don’t give the show the credit it deserves. This was a show! It was incredible the direction they were going in and for the time. So happy I got to enjoy it as a kid
The only issue I have with this is, are people who come from traumatic backgrounds just doomed then? Sometimes you just go through life without ever getting closure one the things that weigh your mind or have affected your personal relationships and there's really not a whole lot you can do about it. Not everyone has the luxury of having a support system or being financially stable enough to seek therapy. Its something that's kind of bothered me about people who say that one needs to work on themselves before they get into a relationship. Expecting someone else to 'fix' you (or using others as a drug to feel good) shouldn't be an aim in a relationship but at the same time I also don't think people should avoid relationships completely either.
It definitely is a hard topic with many bleak views on it. There are rarely stories that portray characters really healing. Most of them that turn out "good" are some rags to riches corruption of the disenfranchised character.
I agree! 💯
This!! It creates this hierarchy where only people who had perfect childhoods and no mental health issues are privileged enough to have find partners
no. michael jacobs jsut wanted to subtly shoehorn Christianity into it and act as if innocent seeming couples like cory and topanga who've known each other all their lives, despite being a fantasy, are relationships to strive for. most ppl dont marry their high school sweetheart let alone knew each other since theyr were little kids
@@MsDudette21 This comment is confusing. People from troubled upbringings can have healthy relationships, there is obviously healing that needs to happen, and that is something that aligns with Christian redemption & growth as well.
I honestly just think that they didn’t want any relationship or characters to outshine Cory & Topanga, being that they were the main characters. I don’t think that has to do with trying to shoehorn in Christianity. Every show will do that, or they’ll develop a spin-off with those side characters.
And if Michael Jacobs is a Christian, his beliefs will come through in all his work, just like anyone else with their set beliefs. That’s how it works.
I always loved when Angela gave Cory shit. She was great.
Never watched Boy Meets World.
Similar age, but grew out of sit-coms.
Still enjoyed your analysis of this relationship that comes closer to reality than most TV relationships.
Angela and the pocketbook crush episode had me freaked at the thought that attraction to an individual could be nameless/faceless.
"these little criminals" at 18:00 made me laugh so hard
I agree that it makes sense that a couple like Shawn and Angela would probably break up and drift apart in the real world much the same way they did on the show. But from a narrative perspective, it was just so heartbreaking to see them part ways. They had a different, more down-to-earth kind of relationship compared to Cory and Topanga, but you still hoped just as hard for them to make it as you did for C & T.
Loved Boy Meets World as a kid. Always caught TGIF to see it (as well as Sabrina, Step by Step, and Family Matters). Was a little disappointed with Girl Meets World overall, but I'm pretty sure I'd say I enjoyed it overall.
The really sad part was Angela attempted to break up with Shaun a few times and he wouldn’t leave her be so she calls her Dad and the Dad is like stay with the guy 🤷🏻♀️
Shawn was my favorite character and the backbone tbh
I love this video! Sometimes, relationships end and I love how the shawn and angela relationship was still considered a "successfull" relationship. It's so much more realistic.
"And that's a name isn't it" best quite ever!
The actor that played Shawn actually hated it, he was extremely uncomfortable being a kid, making out with kids he'd only met that day, in front of adults going "oooh" and "ahhh".
Honestly watching the show growing up. I loved Shawn and Angela's relationship. It was just so honest of relationships at the time. It showed the both had flaws, and had growing up to do. And that it was okay, that not every relationship is story book perfect. For me what they did in GMW, makes no sense. They tried to down play their relationship. Clearly Angela meant a lot to Shawn, idk why the show tried to make it seem like it did not. We need a rewrite on their story or a better Fanfic about their relationship
I hate say, kind of a downer for Friday night. But your analysis was entertaining and insightful.
This was SO GOOD! Thank you for this video. I fell off of BMW during their college years so I missed part of the Angela Shawn arch.
Shawn was always my favorite character I loved him and Angela together
A little off topic but I love the lighting setup!
Love the video man. I personally like it when stories don't end with catharsis. Feels more like real life
Omg I’m gonna have to renew my nebula for your Eric matthews episode
“Uncommon now” literally every piece of media made since 2010 ..
thought this was FD Signifier
Thank you for making me realize why I've always also loved sitcoms
Loved this show growing up. I still come back to it on occasion.
You've done it again! What a well-crafted video essay! I enjoyed every minute.
I thought Angela was a great character and even though i am not black, growing up in an area that is actually predominantly non-white i actually somehow related more to her than most other sitcom teen girls. I always liked Topanga too because she was different from most teen girls but Angela was alot more like my friends and even myself. I also related more to Shawn too than others because i grew up lower middle class and my father had been abandoned and grew up like Shawn so he wanted a better life for me but made it known that life isnt fair and almost Los ng my mother to cancer drove that home. This show really spoke to me more than any other sitcom for those reasons.
Great video! 30/f/SoCal, and I LOVED your commentary- absolutely perfect. Your love of sitcoms, as well as the nuance of this relationship, is exactly what I was looking for. 10/10
I love this show with my whole heart and I'd like to see you break down more character arcs and relationships
should have been endgame
i just randomly came across your channel and watched because i love boy meets world. but wow dude, you are great at talking about shows. really enjoy listening to you!
I came here from Jose's video. I've watched half of this and so far I'm really enjoying your take on it. New subscriber!
This show was life changing for me
loved this video and I loved the analysis from Shawn and Angela's relationship. I admit I loved them much more than Cory and Topanga and hated that they didn't end up together lol although I agree it was realistic.
I was so excited to hear your plug in Jose's video! I loved this couple and was momentarily disappointed Jose wasn't going to analyze it. Then you popped up! Time to tuck in to more great content :D
Reaally appreciated your perspective and insight. Thanks for this :)
@T1J I found this video because the algorithm was algorithming, and this video popped up on my timeline. Can you please upload more sitcom based content? Or make a separate channel for it. This was masterfully executed.
And Shawn's original character development is what saved the under rated girl meets world sequel
im not sure if im just noticing but the new setup looks great! much cleaner looking video
I loved Boy Meets World when I was a kid. Really good show.
This was so enjoyable and a nice throwback. I haven't watched Boy Meets World since I originally grew up with it as a kid, but I definitely remember it being one of my favorite shows of my childhood. Thank you for this deep dive. =)
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Eric was HILARIOUS. Him and Sean were the only reasons I watched the show. Cory n Tapanga got on my NERVES being SO YOUNG and in love. It was nauseating.
I love laughing -T1J
you unlocked lots or core memories,,,,,,,,,
Damn makes me wanna go back and watch for real. Def watched a decent amount of episodes as a kid but not enough to really remember storylines or the later seasons.
Angela suffered from the 'disposable Black love interest' trope. The Take does a really good breakdown of that.
Especially because she was added for diversity. At that time, people were unhappy with ABC's TGIF night's because there were few minorities on TV, and I think Urkel's show was one of, if not the only black show on at the time. The networks started adding more minorities, so there may be multiple shows with an all white cast, who suddenly have minorities on them for a few episodes or season.
I went and watched the video you referenced. The Take does not make good videos. They are the kind of smarmy, slick over-produced content that I couldn't watch more than a few minutes of. It felt like I was watching a commercial for a fast food restaurant. It presents itself as expressing revelatory or new information but does it in the most basic way possible. The way the voiceover over-emotes is particularly grating. I much prefer this video. It's real and thoughtful and does not feel or sound like an advertisement.
@@Kyarrix Um...okay. I don't agree with you, but okay. Did you actually pay attention to the content of the video?
@@Bworms1980 That was quite common in the early 2000s
@@thegazetteyt Hey, it's not the content It's the style and production. I don't disagree with their take, they got it right as did this video. It was just my gut reaction to the Applebee's style production. You didn't pick up on how it's over-produced, very slick and the voice over tries for that extremely warm persuasive tone that you usually get when someone is selling you something?
I apologize if my comment seemed to be disagreement on the facts or criticism of you for referencing it. That wasn't my intent. It was entirely the style and production that caused my reaction. For me that got in the way of wanting to watch it. That style of production elicits a visceral reaction of dislike. I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say. Again, apologies for not being more clear.
Would you please create 20 more videos breaking down Boy Meets World and human behavior?
Angela was one of my main childhood crushes, I suppose it was not just because she was cute as a button but I saw myself in Shawn so I identified with them as a couple and lived vicariously through them. I was that poor White kid that never had many of the things "normal" kids had including a Dad who died when I was a baby and my Mom had me very late in life, she was the age of many of my friends grandmothers and died of cancer before I finished school. I was never hungry or lacked basics but it was a challenging childhood and I identified with Shawn so seeing him and Angela make it was a inspiration to a kid who never had many victories in life, I hated when they broke up, thankfully I was getting older and better able to cope with all the problems life through at me by then.
Man this show was the best
"College is the perfect time to meet people." Then there is me who met no one in college and met a woman overseas.
i've never seen "boy meets world," but listening to you talk about it was great! :)
This was a great video that I didn't even know I needed
I would love to hear you talk about why you live Captain America. He's my favorite character in the MCU.
I think it was important that Shawn and Angela didn’t end up together. It provided the balance to the “perfect” Corey and Topanga relationship.
C&T set up an expectation of young love that is actually unhealthily unrealistic 9 out of 10 times.
S&A gave a better look at what young adults should probably expect (through a sitcom lens).
Great work, thanks for the video!
Jose’s video is amazing! Thanks for plugging it.
I’m glad you said this. I’ve seen takes that they should have been together in Girls Meets World and I am so confused by that take.
Dude I love you!
Love this video. And this channel. I’m also a big fan of 80s and 90s tv. We best tv was back then
Man, this show was so good, and honestly I feel like it played a very important role in US entertainment.
Like Sitcoms and other shows that spanded years would often fall apart when the actors would age, but the writers wouldn’t take this into consideration.
An example, is often when an actress got pregnant, they’d use tricks to hide her belly, or just say “Oh this character suddenly decided to follow their dreams and travel the world.”
Though it wasn’t due to getting pregnant but 7th Heaven basically removed one of the main characters with no explanation.
Game of Thrones made an interesting decision with replacing the actors, and other series use time skips.
Vikings would use very cool techniques like slowly adding in gray hair on Ragnar, lengthened beards. Added crows feat / wrinkles to particular characters.
During the seasons, covering a long period of time, doing all these small things each episode.
So when the next season aired, the passage of time wouldn’t be as noticeable.
But there’s something magical about growing up with a series.
Two things first this is a great breakdown of Angela and Shawn great video. Two the girl meets world episode was such a let down not Because they didn’t end up together but because if she was Topanga’s best friend why weren’t they in any scenes together and the interaction with Cory was minimal overall that episode was not good. But T1J I wanted to be a hater but this was truly amazing
More of this please
Sean was my favorite character. Good kid and shite hand 🙌🏽