I'll never forget as a faithful Pioneer of many years asking a man of the door but don't you want to live forever on a Paradise earth and he said no if I'm stuck with a bunch of judgemental Jehovah's Witnesses you keep earth and I will enjoy heaven in peace
Thank you Stacey for this, I'm 51 now and have been woken up for like 5 years now. It's been tough, I always comforted myself with the thought that god was going to make everything right and erase all the wrongs by having us live in a cleansed new world where all the dead would get a second chance to live in this paradise, but now, that prospect is gone and I really don't know how to deal with it sometimes. I try to live as best I can but it's a tough thing to deal with knowing that a second chance is no longer there and this life is the only one I'm going to get. I think in the end I'm just happy I'm no longer being lied to by this religion and that's allot to be happy about!
Wow, that is a HUGE conversation, isn't it? The very real idea of mortality; something we never considered as JW's....suddenly, you have a lot to think about. it's a massive journey!
I left in 1997. I left the cult and filed for divorce from my elder/ pioneer husband at the same time. My emotions have been all over the map , it was so traumatic that I have difficulty remembering what I was thinking and what I believed but one thing sticks out in my mind for a certainty . I remember thinking if it means being in paradise with these people, than I don’t want everlasting life.
I can't tell you how many times I've thought that and heard it from others. Why would anyone want to live forever like that? With those type of people?? So glad you're free!
So true. My super PIMI sister once said to me (a non JW) that we could spend eternity together if I became a JW. She was absolutely stunned when I said “ I couldn’t think of anything worse, I can’t stand being with you for more than 20 minutes!”. She is so unbearably arrogant.
@@Fazzamania reminds me of a service experience......the witness came to the door of a woman that just lost her husband in death. The witness showed her how she can see her husband one day when he is resurrected . She said No, I don't ever want to see him again
Thank you Stacey! I’ll never forget the look on my wife’s face after waking up last year and having to tell her the jw paradise teaching was all a lie. This one really broke our hearts. Thankfully we are in a better place now.
Thank you Stanley! Those emotions....they're so intense. It's awful. I'm so sorry, there is a long trail of broken hearts. I'm so glad you're well now!
I grew up in the 80’s and the (jw) culture was much different back then. Anytime I asked a question my parents didn’t like, my mom would give me a stern look, like how dare you question Jehovah then she would tell me that we need to have faith and be obedient to those taking the lead. Then she would give me the silent treatment for a couple of days to punish me. My elder dad would say, “Now honey, that’s independent thinking.” I was so confused as a kid.
We are the same age. I grew up in the '80's with a single mother. Fortunately, I led that 'double life' in high school, but got serious when I graduated. But you simply weren't allowed to ask questions. The 'religion' doesn't even look the same.....it's unrecognizable from what we grew up in!
Really enjoying these. Thankyou for your efforts and time much appreciated xx I remember the red live forever book. None of the JW teaching I grew up with ever made sense to me. It always felt 'off' somehow when I saw my older sister get baptised and then disfellowshipped for 'holding' a lit cigarette and what my mother and the elders did to her. I knew that the religion was wrong and not from any true source.
Thanks Annie! I know of an elder that put his last cigarette out on his way to the baptism pool. Got one last one in before the dunk. Then, they started DFing for it. I'm so glad you're out!
I just found this channel today, and almost instantly, I subscribed. I really love how you explain scripture so well for ex jws/new Christians like myself. Thank you for your hard work and God bless you!
OMG i remember that was my presiding overseers selling paradise to me. "Maybe we'll explore space." Because he was a big space guy too. We did all sorts of mental gymnastics to make these teachings work. So bizarre that 99.9% of all the doctrine and theology was based on weird one off lines in Revelation.
Yep I came in on the back of living forever in paradise on earth , and brought my whole family in . Did not realize that alcoholic dead beat was the one who thought that up . We were following a grandiose narcissist , INSANE,. I am organizing my own send off with beautiful flowers , beautiful cane basket to lie in with pillow an a natural burial , with the people I love , meanwhile I walk in nature with my beautiful dog with the comfort of knowing I will organize my own paradise 🦚🦚🦚
Thank you, this is the episode I've been waiting for. Appreciate your clear explanation of this specific topic. This is great for getting to the center point of the matter...there false promises.
Just going back through some of your past episodes, thank you for this one, this is the one thing my mum holds on to more than anything, this helps build an argument with proof that it is nonsense, not that she will ever listen
Worldwide security under the prince of peace page 178-9. The subheading " A beauty spot in the boundless universe " Paragraph 17 "The earth will remain a beauty spot in all of Jehovah's boundless universe". I remember all of the speculative comments by all in our book study about living on other planets. You are 100 percent spot on!
Thanks ookla! I found the reference I was mentioning as well! Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace, page 184 paragraph 10 "the earth may not be the only planet that will ever be inhabited." .....Queue the Star Trek music LOL
@@survivingparadisepodcast We studied this book when we had a Saturday morning book study in the late 80s. The elder that conducted the study was a star trek junkie. He had moved to our town when he was a newlywed in 1974-5 guess why? The guy was just beside himself with the prospect of living on another planet. He never had children, I guess a mind has to focus on something. When you mentioned the book in your podcast he immediately came to my mind. I guess sadness overcomes me when I think about all these need greater people that moved to our little town to live out the short remaining time before Armageddon. 47 years ago 😥
@@ooklathemok7322 We had a similar study arrangement on Saturday mornings. I remember it was a summer day and we studied it on the hosts patio. People went bonkers for that one sentence. Space travel! So sad to know so many bought into this....factory of disappointment.
Brilliant as always! Here are the 3 passages in the new testament. Luke 23:43 Revelation 2:7 2 Corinthians 12:3-4. ALL THE SAME GREEK WORD FOR PARADISE! Please do your research. Note how the 8 guys give a different meaning to Paradise in each passage. Look it up in the publications index for yourself!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I am dating myself, as a child we had slide presentations ( something you did not mention yet) remember how excited we would be instead of a talk we had a slide show? anyway a blind girl in the slide show asked her parent when would i be able to see again? In paradise the parent said a real tear jerker. The fact I still remember that, slide show followed by that song keep your eyes on the prize
P.T Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every second" and that's okay but, It's not okay to stay one! All former Bethelites end up leaving the religion because they have experienced the false claims that serving Jehovah means joy and fulfillment, just one more broken promise. I left with the distinct impression that Jehovah's was not taking his meds!
Truth!! I'll tell you, the best thing that can happen to a thinking JW is to become an elder or go to Bethel. It's shockingly bad and misrepresented....and the lights come on!
Very good one Mr Stacy, your content is a blessing for all jws that are mentally trapped, and when you think about it, they are the one's that are mentally sick in the head, for listening to men rather than God, keep up the great work bro, stay safe and blessing 👍in JESUS CHIRST 🙏🙏🙏
Truth is we are all worm food, anything else is just conjecture. At about 13 I realised I did not want to be in the “paradise” with all the rules and 144k judges
In all non-NWT versions of Luke 23:43 Jesus is claiming that the thief will be with Jesus in paradise on the same day that he die. He's not saying it 'today'. The Greek is also very clear.
When I was in a book study before I (foolishly) got baptized I discussed the subject of "the earth remaining forever". What is "forever"? The reply was never ending. The earth would become a never ending paradise. I said that the sun will eventually come to its end. They said Jehovah who created everything will (with his power of holy spirit) make the sun last forever. The weather all over the earth will be made perfect. There will not be any hurricanes, volcanoes or earthquakes because Jehovah will not allow those things to occur like they do now. I then asked "will we exist forever to daily praise Jehovah and other than that just keep gardening the earth?" The reply was "of course". This is what man was created for in the beginning. I then asked "will we no longer desire to study science and look to finding new adventures?" The reply- "no because Jehovah will make our hearts content to enjoy everlasting life in the earthly paradise". Now; you think I would have walked away at this point but no. I was duped and became baptized in spite of my common sense and confusion towards the teachings of the JWs. Just imagine- living on and on for countless millions of years and never doing anything other than to be content to serve Jehovah.
I've had ALL those thoughts as well! WHAT will we be doing?? Just praising all day?? No curiosity?? And anyone that understands geology and space knows that is all nonsense!
One last comment for today - i was a child in the 70's but can remember almost all assemblies talking about Discos ...Disco this , Disco that, a couple getting baptized and celebrated by going to a disco that night .........do you remember the obsession with Disco Music?
LOL, you don't know how much I love this comment. As a kid in the 70's, I love disco! Nostalgia! They were obsessed with the evils of disco. I remember my mother talking to us about how evil Saturday Night Fever was. I truly need to do an episode on music, entertainment and disco!
back in the late 80s was told about 40 Billion people have lived on the earth that gives well over a acre per person also the dessert will be productive.....Don't forget we all get our own Fig Tree when we enter Paradise
It's one of the funniest things going in JW's. They know no one will fact check them...and if they do, they'll be marked as 'weak'...ah yes, fig trees...and I neglected to mention in this episode that it was long taught/rumored we would all be speaking Hebrew in paradise LOL
Maybe that’s where the new earth comes into play, to accommodate so many people. Call me crazy but I can’t find a single scripture about heavenly life. All they say is that Christians will be with Jesus and will have glorified bodies. Also, practically all translations for Rev 5:10 says that they will rule ‘on’ the earth not ‘over’ it like the NWT says. I’m trying to put the pieces together without WT influence and it’s not easy. May Jehovah and Jesus helps us. All we want to do is worship God correctly.
Another problem with the paradise teaching is where is the infrastructure going to come from to build houses to live in ? And how are we going to grow our own food ? Again that's not mentioned in the bible either.
One of dozen of problems when you completely make up a 'doctrine' that is not taught, nor even hinted at, anywhere in the Bible. The questions are almost endless!
its unbearable buddy, think about it everyday, can't go back to the future. Its harder for us that believed in this 100%...Not going to ever get over this. It's hardwired. They were right. You will lose your happiness. Reminds me at the end of the planet of the apes. When the leader said to Heston you will not like what you will see when he saw the statue of Liberty and broke down
Also reminds me of many Twilight Zone episodes. One is, “It’s a Good Life”, S3E8. The kid is the GB & we are everyone else. The cornfield is df’ing. Or, “To Serve Man”, S3E24. GB are the Kanamits, the cookbook is the publication’s, we are all those fooled by them.
The JWs wanted to be different to other religions so they had to come up with some unique teachings. Unfortunately the Bible is full of double speak and easily opened to various interpretations so naturally they would have found a scripture/scriptures to back up any weird teachings.
Yes! You can lift a verse or sentence to support almost anything. Context is so important. And as for the Bible itself.....I'm being careful so as not to offend on that one....
No, in fact....the Bible will not support their beliefs, they neither believe in nor use the Bible. Bible=Word of God. NWT=ever changing word of Watchtower. They wrote a "bible" that will support their beliefs and the god they created.
@@mattmurdock2868 one of the must uncanny things I had to come to grip with personally: you have a Bible, it doesn't say that, but they get on stage and says it does. Gaslighting personified. And millions go along with it...
2 Corinthians 12:3 Yes, I know such a man-whether in the body or apart from the body, I do not know; God knows- 4 who was caught away into PARADISE and heard words that cannot be spoken and that are not lawful for a man to say. 5 I will boast about such a man, but I will not boast about myself except of my weaknesses.
Yes and gb tries to get jws to believe the Greek word for paradise is 1) the spiritual paradise in your example. 2) heaven at Revelation 2:7 and 3) a paradise earth in Luke 23:43. Right out of the watchtower. Open your eyes jws
Very good program, but I disagree with what you said about JWs being the only religion that teaches a resurrection onto a Paradise Earth. Christadelphians, 7th Day Adventists (after a desolated Earth for 100 years) Worldwide Church of God also teach a physical resurrection onto Earth. I remember getting into conversations with people of these churches and comparing ideas. Not sure about Mormons. You're right about the Bible not mentioning a paradise Earth, but what about the prophecy in Isaiah about "nice houses, peace between man and beasts, a man living to 100 years old and if he turns to sin he dies immediately although looking like a youth? Sounds like Earth to me, but I have an open mind now after spending 52 years in this cult. The Sun won't supernova for 5 billion years so plenty of time for Earth to be a paradise if such a thing is to happen; maybe Great Tribulation is this event?
You're right Nubby! I didn't explain that well. There are others that have similar teachings. As for the prophecies in Isaiah, those are widely considered by scholars to 'restoration prophecies' regarding Jews and the Promised Land. Personally, with little to no research, I actually realized that while I was a JW. Most of the books by the prophets are simply directed at the Jews, written by men with personal interest in the Jews. Lots to unpack there, but JW's have lifted verses regarding Hebrew restoration and given them future or modern day 'applications'.....it's a serious case of cherry picking. Thank you for listening!
Ya! You to can pet rattle snakes and polar bears while eating perfectly ripe fruits and vegetables out of a horned shape basket wearing chino’s, polo shirts and loafers!
so what does Jehovahs witnesses think of when the Bible mentions that the earth shall burn and be destroyed, and that Jesus will come in the clouds, which we will meet in the sky and the earth will be gone forevere and a new heaven and earth will be created.
They believe in an incoming Armageddon that will destroy all the evil people on earth, but the planet itself will survive, citing Jewish restoration prophecies from the Old Testament
@@survivingparadisepodcast pkay so they neglect the new testaments prophets? And they will survive the clinate change? As a christian im not worried baout climate change because of the promise of a new jerusalem a new earth and new heaven. :)
@@jimmyhallstrom271 Jehovah's Witnesses don't worry about anything that man is facing because they believe at any minute that Armageddon will be here, there will be a mass genocide, then a world of hugging animals and eating fruit for all eternity :)
@@survivingparadisepodcast yeah sounds like where we are going, the paradise, but it is not here, I understand from the Bible, most churches understand it like me. Even thugh some believe in Hell, but original words is Sheol and Hades, means death.
See I want to believe in the heavenly hopen and that Jesus taught that the paradise was in Heaven. It is very clear from the Greek scriptures. However, a question that keeps lingering in my mind is: Why would God create the paradise in the garden of Eden and allow Adams sin to change his plans and move everyone to Heaven? I am sure it is the JW indoctrination in me but I would appreciate your thoughts on this. What was the original plan?
Hi Liv, thank you for listening! Whew, that is a big one. Every instance in where the Bible is speaking of paradise, it is heavenly. They simply smashed old testament writings about the Promised Land into New Testament writings regarding heaven. It's very easy to study. As for the original play: full respectful transparency: I don't believe the Adam & Eve story is real, so I can't comment on it. The Bible as a subject is a BIG one and for me, almost a second discussion. I personally do not believe it to be inspired. I try to be respectful of those that do believe that....but I'm definitely not perfect.
Genesis 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. Where is Adam sent or what does Jehovah say to Adam in this scripture, open your Bible and please make a video on this, it looks u have amazing knowledge 😝👏👏👏👏👏 Acts24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. What is this resurrection brother could you please explain 😎👍🤗🤗🤗♥️✌️🕊️ Peace 🙏 John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. What does the scriptures say here? What is message in Mathew 13: 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: Psalm 104:5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever Psalm 119:90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth. Psalm 78:69 he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever. Does the prophecy gets fulfilled to the unwise person, ..... I am really wondering 😂🤣😅 anyways
Realistically speaking if the earth was going to be turned into a watchtower utopia. There would always be earthquakes. That’s something that the watchtower has never explained to their flock.
No not really! Catholics do not believe babies are enemies of God and Catholic baptism does not make you punishable by disfellowshipping if you leave. 🤷🏽♂
In the ongoing bizarre world of JW's, they discourage having children, but also depend on them to count as 'publishers'... the easiest way forward for the cult it to indoctrinate children born to JW parents. It's criminal.
When I finally woke up, and realized JW teachings were not Biblical, I ended up for a long period of time not believing in anything, and still find myself struggling to believe in any religion anymore! The JW’s ruined my spiritual life.
Could you please explain Rev 21:1 about the new earth? Also, Jesus said the mild tempered will inherit the earth and there are quite a few scriptures in the OT that talk about the meek residing forever on earth. Will God eventually save the earth as well or leave us all here to our own demise? Some really nasty stuff is going on, talk about trauma.
Good Points, I can understand humans going to Heaven, since everything is energy, I think a loving god would not allow the earth and people to continue like this for ever . I have a theory where the earth is a paradise and people live a very long life on it but evenually go to heaven and may have opportunity to visit earth at times
@@johnnycroat I agree. Earth will be much different and certainly a better place to live especially when Satan and the demons are destroyed. The Bible also says that death won’t exist and this wouldn’t be true if death was still happening on earth.
I Am an ex kinda pissed jw. Now an actual reader of the Bible. You have to understand the Bible says we are born into iniquity. Which is enmity with God. We need Savior Jesus from before the womb.
Hi Karen, first, I'm SO glad you're an 'ex' JW.... welcome to freedom!! On the Bible: you're correct, that is the Bible teaching....a deeper dive on the Ransom is necessary... and while I don't believe the Bible is a book written by god, I work to show respect to those that do. I couldn't be happier to see that you're able to read it without the influence of the 'organization!'
I've listened and can relate to all your other podcasts...I too was born and raised JW...but not gonna lie I have trouble with this one...lol can you help me understand Matthew 5:5 maybe?
Hi Amy, very few JW's even understand that their own organization doesn't believe that Jesus is referring to a paradise earth, but rather that the earth is inherited by those that go to heaven. Check this out: "The anointed members of the Christian congregation are spoken of as having a heavenly inheritance, sharing Jesus' inheritance as his "brothers." (Eph 1:14; Col 1:12; 1Pe 1:4, 5) This includes the earth.-Mt 5:5." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p.1201 " saying that the 'mild-tempered will inherit the earth.' Yes, those mild-tempered ones who are to be with Christ in his heavenly kingdom will rule over this earth." Watchtower 1974 June 15 pp.377-378
@@missfahrenheit411 I think that is debatable....as to whether you believe that teaching at all. Candidly, I do not. However, if it were true, we are getting preview of what these 8 guys would be like in heaven ;)
@@survivingparadisepodcast yes, the eight are a hot mess but I do believe the Bible when it talks about a new earth. I’ve been a JW for 30 years and came in by myself as a teen, my parents thought I was nuts but are very open, and I’m now having doubts about many JW teachings (which I’ve been having meltdowns over for the past year) but the Bible is clear that Satan and death will be done away with and that there will be righteous kings ruling over the earth so it appears that there is hope for the earth. I’m not dismissing this one yet.
Jesus said, "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise," so Jesus is the source of this paradise teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses. Jesus is the word of God responsible for all the psal.s, proverbs and Isiahs prophecy and the entire bible, so how could Jesus not know about the wolf lying down with the lamb, and a mere boy being the leader of lions? Jesus is not only on board, he's the captor the ship, the main cornerstone of the teaching of God's paradise. But, Matthew25:11 shows us who's not on board, those whom God has been hiding his precise urge from, proud and arrogant false religion and false prophets denying Jesus truth about his Father and creator Jehovah God.
David, I'd encourage you to take a closer look at Jesus words at Luke 23:43. JW's have doctored the verse. As for the Old Testament references, they are restoration prophecies for the Jews....they have zero application outside of their desire to own the Promised Land. It certainly is not a reference to a publication company from Pittsburgh, then New York. Zero connection.
Jesus commonly prefaced what he said with, “most truly (verily) I say to you,” He said this 26 times alone in the gospel of John. He never added the redundant word “today” to this phrase. He was obviously talking about that same day. The watchtower deliberately moved the comma after “today” instead of “you” because the thief couldn’t possibly go to heaven without being anointed. Obviously, Jesus knew both himself and the thief were going to die that very day and therefore he was speaking of paradise as being in heaven and they would both be there - later that day. By moving the comma, the watchtower can claim that the thief would make it to paradise… on earth… eventually. Legitimate Bible translations: New International Version Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” New Living Translation And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.” English Standard Version And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Berean Study Bible And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Berean Literal Bible And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise." King James Bible And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. New King James Version And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” New American Standard Bible And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” NASB 1995 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” NASB 1977 And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” Amplified Bible Jesus said to him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” Christian Standard Bible And he said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Holman Christian Standard Bible And He said to him, “I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise.” American Standard Version And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise. Aramaic Bible in Plain English But Yeshua said to him, “Amen, I say to you that today you shall be with me in Paradise.” Contemporary English Version Jesus replied, "I promise that today you will be with me in paradise." Douay-Rheims Bible And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise. Good News Translation Jesus said to him, "I promise you that today you will be in Paradise with me." International Standard Version Jesus told him, "I tell you with certainty, today you will be with me in Paradise." Literal Standard Version and Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” New American Bible He replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” NET Bible And Jesus said to him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." New Revised Standard Version He replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” New Heart English Bible And he said to him, "Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise." Weymouth New Testament "I tell you in solemn truth," replied Jesus, "that this very day you shall be with me in Paradise." World English Bible Jesus said to him, "Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise." Young's Literal Translation and Jesus said to him, 'Verily I say to thee, To-day with me thou shalt be in the paradise.'
It's absurd to think Jesus was Michael the Archangel, became a man, then went back to being Michael. I thought Jesus returned to Heaven and sat at the right hand of God ?? (scripturally backed).
Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods). REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
JW teach that Jesus told the sinner he would be in paradise not heaven with him. Jesus has never been to paradise he wasn't there in the beginning if there was a Paradise and resides in heaven no a earthly Paradise as Adam and Eve did , so it's a total misinterpreted passage by Jw
I really don't know why Jesus uses the word Paradise which means garden in Greek mabe Jesus was using simple language to a simple man, is the sinner in heaven or will he return to a Paradise on earth we don't know and we certainly can not build a whole doctrine stating that only Jehovah's Witnesses will be chosen to live in the earthly Paradise by obeying there governing body. And my POINT is this the governing body is not humble they never say we think we're unsure maybe they claim that everything that comes out of their mouth is gods direction . In a modern-day sense they're trying to catch the falling Ark instead of leaving it alone( if you know what I mean) just leave it alone not everything has to be interpreted to the point where there's probably millions of watchtowers been written with ever changing doctrin and explanations.
@@galaxiethinker183 they may be the best in history at taking a comment, story, parable or single word and getting millions to believe it means something never intended.
You’re so funny. As angry as I Am about my wasted childhood and self esteem the only revelation they have that none other saw was the New heaven and new a earth. He says New Jerusalem would descend from heaven making Earth his footstool. It’s in there. And I love that part. Creflo Dollar teaches it too. My Pastor after I hit saved fir 20 yrs.
You just have to obey God and follow rules of God ,babies of this world give.birth in that wiked world ,we are all wiked babies too ,why all babies were destroye among theirs parents during flood of NOA.? MAT 5v5 paradise on earth ,reely ressurection will ensues,. If we are supposed to go to heaven why ressurection will take place on earth ,I Cor ch 15 what is the necessity ,to ressurect them ,would be better resuscitate directly from tomb directly to heaven, Ps ch 1v 5,6 said sinners would remains in tomb .you are taking⁰.Go's for petty like you .
You my friend don't know what you're talking about. I'm not a JW but lean more to the christadelphians faith and paradise will be on earth. There are many scriptures that point to this fact. You need to read your Bible.
We await your proof. Please post proof that the earth will be a paradise where people will live forever. I've read AND studied the Bible multiple time. We will wait.
Ok, enough of his nonsense. I don't even know if it is worth refuting this misguided religion quack. He is so far gone. I wonder if he even reads the bible. But I will be brief. Psalms 37:29 says, "The righteous will possess the earth. And they will live forever on it." I should just stop there. But here are some other facts. No where in the old testament does God say that anyone would be going to heaven. But those people back there did desire and hoped to live again. As Job mentioned in his book. Job 14:14,15 And the only place that they knew that people would spend eternity is right here on earth as is mentioned in Psalms 37. And so contrary to what this guy says, going to heaven was a very new teaching. And that for just a few people. And to get back to the basic. Jehovah put man on earth and told him to be fruitful and fill the earth. It was NEVER God's purpose for the first human couple to sin and pass on sin and death to their offspring. And so if Adam and Eve did not sin, then they would still be here on earth, living here forever. God never told Adam that one day, he could live in heaven. And so the question is asked; "Is God capable of accomplishing what he purposed to do. Or can something or someone change God's purpose so that He cannot accomplish what he purposed to do. I think we all know that answer." Isaiah 55:11 answers that question. "So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results. But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight. And it will have sure success in what I send it to do." Case closed. And so if Jehovah put man on earth to live in paradise conditions, forever, then it will be done. No matter how many people come on You Tube and ridicule it. And there is a big difference between living in Paradise and going to heaven. Which is why Jesus did not tell the man who died with him, that he will be going to heaven. Jesus words at John 5:28,29 says that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous. This man no doubt is one of the unrighteous that will be resurrected. Surely by the fact that what he did in life got him the death penalty shows that he was not a righteous man. And since Jesus said that unrighteous people would be resurrected; where do you think that they will be resurrected to. Surely not heaven. Just use common sense. Heaven is a Holy place. Imagine if millions of unrighteous people are resurrected there. And this is why Jesus chose Jehovah's Witnesses to preach the good news about the kingdom and the resurrection to the world. And this is why Jesus DID NOT choose people who do not understand the earthly resurrection, as is the case with this guy, to preach his nonsense to the world.
:) oh my, this is fantastic! Thanks kenneth for listening and confirming. Well studied on the bible and encourage you to do the same. Old Testament (Jewish restoration prophecies) vs. New Testament (Christian gospels) requires much much more study than what you have been exposed to as a JW. If you would be so kind to show us all Jesus CLEAR teaching regarding billions of billions of humans being resurrected to a paradise earth, we would all love to see it. Jesus was pretty forthright with his hope for the future. He is your 'king' since 1914, right? In the meantime, thanks for listening and I hope you're not in any trouble for exposing yourself to apostasy....or as the rest of us call it.....facts. I prefer Psalms 146:3 where you're commanded to not follow men... but guessing you follow the Governing Body in NY? I wish you well! Quack, quack!
@@survivingparadisepodcast Some people do not know how to read the bible. Jesus said at John 5:28,29 that "ALL" those in the tomb will hear his voice and come out." So let's see, Jesus said "ALL." Hmmm, then that means that everyone who has died will be resurrected. I wonder how many that could be? Could that be where anyone with a brain could come up with a number into the billions who will be resurrected. Since perhaps billions of people have already died. Of course it is. You see, this is why Jesus chose JW to preach. We use our brains. He gave us this wonderful hope and told us to tell the world about it. But wait a minute. I wonder if some stupid people think he meant "COME OUT" as in' tell people that you're gay. With strange thinking people like you, I won't put that thought pass you.
@@MrRklewis Hey kenneth, might want to check your JW teachings on the your scripture there. Jesus only ever taught a heavenly resurrection. Ever. But we will wait for your next scripture regarding billions on the EARTH. You might also dig into your literature on when the heavenly resurrection started according to JW's. In addition, while I could do this all day with you and you will be unable to provide ONE reference to support an earthly resurrection of billions.....I think it's more important to ask why you don't sound very "Christlike' in your communications here. Have you put on the new personality? Jesus spoke kindly to adulterers, prostitutes and even.....GASP.....apostates. We will wait on the reference where the king and creator of the human race spells out plainly that billions will be resurrected to a paradise earth. Thanks in advance.
@@survivingparadisepodcast Well, at least I didn't call you an offspring of vipers as Jesus called those like you. Matt.3:7 You are only here to serve your own twisted purpose. You know good and well that I showed you scriptures where Jesus said that "ALL" those in the tombs will be resurrected. John 5:28,29 But people like you will argue, "Well he didn't say billions." You fulfill the prophecy at Dan.12:10 ..."and none of the wicked will understand." You give people no hope. While we have helped millions of people to see that God's purpose for the earth will be fulfilled. And you are content to make videos telling people that God was not able to fulfill his promise to have people live on the earth forever. Psalms 37:29 Shame on you!!!
@@MrRklewis Kevin, wish you the best. Unfortunately, the few references you've shared here do not remotely support your original comments. It's always sad to see people who are clearly duped by ten guys in upstate NY. As is always the case, you don't answer basic questions....and the reason is simple: it's all lies and you can't. As I do, I wish you the best and hope you'll stick around and listen (although you're disobeying your kings by doing so) .... perhaps something will click for you. I have the utmost empathy for where you are.... finally, Jesus words to those around him regarding resurrection all pointed to heaven. Clearly. If you can provide his most important message to billions that have lived here on earth....that they will be resurrected to a paradise earth, we would all love to see it. But don't work to hard...............it isn't there. Jesus only preached heaven. There is no earth. And not amount of Jewish/Promised Land restoration stories or prophecies will change that. The Jesus of the Bible wasn't confused..........unfortunately, Jehovah's Witnesses are. Take care kevin.
I'll never forget as a faithful Pioneer of many years asking a man of the door but don't you want to live forever on a Paradise earth and he said no if I'm stuck with a bunch of judgemental Jehovah's Witnesses you keep earth and I will enjoy heaven in peace
There are actual Witnesses who have said that lol
:) great response from man at door
Thank you Stacey for this, I'm 51 now and have been woken up for like 5 years now. It's been tough, I always comforted myself with the thought that god was going to make everything right and erase all the wrongs by having us live in a cleansed new world where all the dead would get a second chance to live in this paradise, but now, that prospect is gone and I really don't know how to deal with it sometimes. I try to live as best I can but it's a tough thing to deal with knowing that a second chance is no longer there and this life is the only one I'm going to get. I think in the end I'm just happy I'm no longer being lied to by this religion and that's allot to be happy about!
Wow, that is a HUGE conversation, isn't it? The very real idea of mortality; something we never considered as JW's....suddenly, you have a lot to think about. it's a massive journey!
I left in 1997. I left the cult and filed for divorce from my elder/ pioneer husband at the same time. My emotions have been all over the map , it was so traumatic that I have difficulty remembering what I was thinking and what I believed but one thing sticks out in my mind for a certainty . I remember thinking if it means being in paradise with these people, than I don’t want everlasting life.
I can't tell you how many times I've thought that and heard it from others. Why would anyone want to live forever like that? With those type of people?? So glad you're free!
@@survivingparadisepodcast thank you. I’m glad too. Glad you are free too.
So true. My super PIMI sister once said to me (a non JW) that we could spend eternity together if I became a JW. She was absolutely stunned when I said “ I couldn’t think of anything worse, I can’t stand being with you for more than 20 minutes!”. She is so unbearably arrogant.
@@Fazzamania reminds me of a service experience......the witness came to the door of a woman that just lost her husband in death. The witness showed her how she can see her husband one day when he is resurrected . She said No, I don't ever want to see him again
@@Fazzamania LOL, oh no!
Thank you Stacey! I’ll never forget the look on my wife’s face after waking up last year and having to tell her the jw paradise teaching was all a lie. This one really broke our hearts. Thankfully we are in a better place now.
Thank you Stanley! Those emotions....they're so intense. It's awful. I'm so sorry, there is a long trail of broken hearts. I'm so glad you're well now!
@Joe Publisher It's VERY heartbreaking :(
I grew up in the 80’s and the (jw) culture was much different back then. Anytime I asked a question my parents didn’t like, my mom would give me a stern look, like how dare you question Jehovah then she would tell me that we need to have faith and be obedient to those taking the lead. Then she would give me the silent treatment for a couple of days to punish me. My elder dad would say, “Now honey, that’s independent thinking.” I was so confused as a kid.
I can relate!
We are the same age. I grew up in the '80's with a single mother. Fortunately, I led that 'double life' in high school, but got serious when I graduated. But you simply weren't allowed to ask questions. The 'religion' doesn't even look the same.....it's unrecognizable from what we grew up in!
For those who loved the '80's
m.ruclips.net/video/dOV5WXISM24/видео.html
We should all be able to question everything!
@@robinkishmiller2596 Imagine Jesus telling people "now no questions....I'm not taking questions"
Really enjoying these. Thankyou for your efforts and time much appreciated xx
I remember the red live forever book. None of the JW teaching I grew up with ever made sense to me. It always felt 'off' somehow when I saw my older sister get baptised and then disfellowshipped for 'holding' a lit cigarette and what my mother and the elders did to her. I knew that the religion was wrong and not from any true source.
Thanks Annie! I know of an elder that put his last cigarette out on his way to the baptism pool. Got one last one in before the dunk. Then, they started DFing for it. I'm so glad you're out!
I just found this channel today, and almost instantly, I subscribed. I really love how you explain scripture so well for ex jws/new Christians like myself. Thank you for your hard work and God bless you!
Thank you so much Rebecca, I'm truly grateful that anyone would benefit! I really want to save people from the misery of JW's....appreciate it!
Realizing this was a lie, something engrained in me and I truly believed, was hard and I definitely grieved.
A very serious subject; complex in what it does to our minds....so sorry, but you're not alone!
Excellent audio! Thank you so much.
OMG i remember that was my presiding overseers selling paradise to me. "Maybe we'll explore space." Because he was a big space guy too. We did all sorts of mental gymnastics to make these teachings work. So bizarre that 99.9% of all the doctrine and theology was based on weird one off lines in Revelation.
🤣😂I had several elder buddies...we did the same thing! All based off a mushroom trip book about ancient Rome among other things LOL
Yep I came in on the back of living forever in paradise on earth , and brought my whole family in . Did not realize that alcoholic dead beat was the one who thought that up . We were following a grandiose narcissist , INSANE,. I am organizing my own send off with beautiful flowers , beautiful cane basket to lie in with pillow an a natural burial , with the people I love , meanwhile I walk in nature with my beautiful dog with the comfort of knowing I will organize my own paradise 🦚🦚🦚
So glad you're free Louise!!
Thank you, this is the episode I've been waiting for. Appreciate your clear explanation of this specific topic. This is great for getting to the center point of the matter...there false promises.
And they have alot of false promises!
Thank you Ashera....I appreciate it! So many false promises!
Just going back through some of your past episodes, thank you for this one, this is the one thing my mum holds on to more than anything, this helps build an argument with proof that it is nonsense, not that she will ever listen
Thank you Ryan! I'm so glad to read that!!
I just cannot fathom how so many people could be so delusional
Worldwide security under the prince of peace page 178-9. The subheading " A beauty spot in the boundless universe " Paragraph 17 "The earth will remain a beauty spot in all of Jehovah's boundless universe". I remember all of the speculative comments by all in our book study about living on other planets. You are 100 percent spot on!
Thanks ookla! I found the reference I was mentioning as well! Worldwide Security Under the Prince of Peace, page 184 paragraph 10 "the earth may not be the only planet that will ever be inhabited." .....Queue the Star Trek music LOL
@@survivingparadisepodcast We studied this book when we had a Saturday morning book study in the late 80s. The elder that conducted the study was a star trek junkie. He had moved to our town when he was a newlywed in 1974-5 guess why? The guy was just beside himself with the prospect of living on another planet. He never had children, I guess a mind has to focus on something. When you mentioned the book in your podcast he immediately came to my mind. I guess sadness overcomes me when I think about all these need greater people that moved to our little town to live out the short remaining time before Armageddon. 47 years ago 😥
@@ooklathemok7322 We had a similar study arrangement on Saturday mornings. I remember it was a summer day and we studied it on the hosts patio. People went bonkers for that one sentence. Space travel! So sad to know so many bought into this....factory of disappointment.
Brilliant as always! Here are the 3 passages in the new testament. Luke 23:43 Revelation 2:7 2 Corinthians 12:3-4. ALL THE SAME GREEK WORD FOR PARADISE! Please do your research. Note how the 8 guys give a different meaning to Paradise in each passage. Look it up in the publications index for yourself!
GREAT advice, nailed it!
song ringing in my head, we can live forever, its worth all endeavor
...oh no, now I do too! If you just ...keep your eyes...on the priiiiizeeeee
@@survivingparadisepodcast I am dating myself, as a child we had slide presentations ( something you did not mention yet) remember how excited we would be instead of a talk we had a slide show? anyway a blind girl in the slide show asked her parent when would i be able to see again? In paradise the parent said a real tear jerker. The fact I still remember that, slide show followed by that song keep your eyes on the prize
@@johnnycroat WOW!!! I did too! I completely forgot about the slideshows and how excited we got as kids!!
P.T Barnum said, "there's a sucker born every second" and that's okay but, It's not okay to stay one! All former Bethelites end up leaving the religion because they have experienced the false claims that serving Jehovah means joy and fulfillment, just one more broken promise. I left with the distinct impression that Jehovah's was not taking his meds!
Truth!! I'll tell you, the best thing that can happen to a thinking JW is to become an elder or go to Bethel. It's shockingly bad and misrepresented....and the lights come on!
A couple of days ago they had one of the elders give a special announcement after the meeting. The announcement was that they need more money!🤦🏻♂️
LOL, I can just imagine how that elder's meeting went where they were drawing straws to see who would ask for cash!
Very good one Mr Stacy, your content is a blessing for all jws that are mentally trapped, and when you think about it, they are the one's that are mentally sick in the head, for listening to men rather than God, keep up the great work bro, stay safe and blessing 👍in JESUS CHIRST 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Gerald!
Thanks Stacey, Getting witnesses to take an exegesis look at this core teaching is very difficult!...a paralyzing doctrine indeed!!
Cognitive dissonance is crippling!!! Most just want to be told what to do and believe....it's awful!
I believe Stephen Lett just filled his diaper! Anyone feel like I feel?
LOL, LOL
Truth is we are all worm food, anything else is just conjecture.
At about 13 I realised I did not want to be in the “paradise” with all the rules and 144k judges
People will be fighting over your tan khakis and fruit basket Flukey! LOL.....trust me, I understand
In all non-NWT versions of Luke 23:43 Jesus is claiming that the thief will be with Jesus in paradise on the same day that he die. He's not saying it 'today'. The Greek is also very clear.
Yep, but the good old Governing Body has made sure to doctor it to their beliefs.... Jesus was never speaking of a paradise earth
When I was in a book study before I (foolishly) got baptized I discussed the subject of "the earth remaining forever". What is "forever"? The reply was never ending. The earth would become a never ending paradise. I said that the sun will eventually come to its end. They said Jehovah who created everything will (with his power of holy spirit) make the sun last forever. The weather all over the earth will be made perfect. There will not be any hurricanes, volcanoes or earthquakes because Jehovah will not allow those things to occur like they do now. I then asked "will we exist forever to daily praise Jehovah and other than that just keep gardening the earth?" The reply was "of course". This is what man was created for in the beginning. I then asked "will we no longer desire to study science and look to finding new adventures?" The reply- "no because Jehovah will make our hearts content to enjoy everlasting life in the earthly paradise". Now; you think I would have walked away at this point but no. I was duped and became baptized in spite of my common sense and confusion towards the teachings of the JWs. Just imagine- living on and on for countless millions of years and never doing anything other than to be content to serve Jehovah.
I've had ALL those thoughts as well! WHAT will we be doing?? Just praising all day?? No curiosity?? And anyone that understands geology and space knows that is all nonsense!
One last comment for today - i was a child in the 70's but can remember almost all assemblies talking about Discos ...Disco this , Disco that, a couple getting baptized and celebrated by going to a disco that night .........do you remember the obsession with Disco Music?
LOL, you don't know how much I love this comment. As a kid in the 70's, I love disco! Nostalgia! They were obsessed with the evils of disco. I remember my mother talking to us about how evil Saturday Night Fever was. I truly need to do an episode on music, entertainment and disco!
My 2nd fav ex jw channel
Thank you! Appreciate it!
back in the late 80s was told about 40 Billion people have lived on the earth that gives well over a acre per person also the dessert will be productive.....Don't forget we all get our own Fig Tree when we enter Paradise
It's one of the funniest things going in JW's. They know no one will fact check them...and if they do, they'll be marked as 'weak'...ah yes, fig trees...and I neglected to mention in this episode that it was long taught/rumored we would all be speaking Hebrew in paradise LOL
@@survivingparadisepodcast yes, that was common knowledge not just in the United States that we would all be speaking Hebrew, Shaloom brother
Maybe that’s where the new earth comes into play, to accommodate so many people. Call me crazy but I can’t find a single scripture about heavenly life. All they say is that Christians will be with Jesus and will have glorified bodies. Also, practically all translations for Rev 5:10 says that they will rule ‘on’ the earth not ‘over’ it like the NWT says. I’m trying to put the pieces together without WT influence and it’s not easy. May Jehovah and Jesus helps us. All we want to do is worship God correctly.
@@missfahrenheit411 I truly admire your effort to search for truth! Well done Mrs.! It's very difficult to do with the WT influence...
Thank you for all your hard work. I get excited every time you upload. Everyone knows babies are evil and are enemies of God 😂😂😂
Awww, thank you so much Krissy, that means a lot!!
Just around the "overlapping" corner.....
Ohh snap how did I miss this 5 days ago. No happy hour today since I’m at work. 😔
Another problem with the paradise teaching is where is the infrastructure going to come from to build houses to live in ? And how are we going to grow our own food ? Again that's not mentioned in the bible either.
One of dozen of problems when you completely make up a 'doctrine' that is not taught, nor even hinted at, anywhere in the Bible. The questions are almost endless!
its unbearable buddy, think about it everyday, can't go back to the future. Its harder for us that believed in this 100%...Not going to ever get over this. It's hardwired. They were right. You will lose your happiness. Reminds me at the end of the planet of the apes. When the leader said to Heston you will not like what you will see when he saw the statue of Liberty and broke down
Sooooo true. WOW, that ending has always got me. Duped. Fooled. Heston was on earth the whole time. Damn good analogy! And it is hardwired into us ;(
Also reminds me of many Twilight Zone episodes. One is, “It’s a Good Life”, S3E8. The kid is the GB & we are everyone else. The cornfield is df’ing.
Or, “To Serve Man”, S3E24. GB are the Kanamits, the cookbook is the publication’s, we are all those fooled by them.
The JWs wanted to be different to other religions so they had to come up with some unique teachings. Unfortunately the Bible is full of double speak and easily opened to various interpretations so naturally they would have found a scripture/scriptures to back up any weird teachings.
Yes! You can lift a verse or sentence to support almost anything. Context is so important. And as for the Bible itself.....I'm being careful so as not to offend on that one....
No, in fact....the Bible will not support their beliefs, they neither believe in nor use the Bible.
Bible=Word of God.
NWT=ever changing word of Watchtower.
They wrote a "bible" that will support their beliefs and the god they created.
@@mattmurdock2868 one of the must uncanny things I had to come to grip with personally: you have a Bible, it doesn't say that, but they get on stage and says it does. Gaslighting personified. And millions go along with it...
WT doesn’t teach that the earth will burn. Maybe the deception is just that.
2 Corinthians 12:3 Yes, I know such a man-whether in the body or apart from the body, I do not know; God knows- 4 who was caught away into PARADISE and heard words that cannot be spoken and that are not lawful for a man to say. 5 I will boast about such a man, but I will not boast about myself except of my weaknesses.
Yes and gb tries to get jws to believe the Greek word for paradise is 1) the spiritual paradise in your example. 2) heaven at Revelation 2:7 and 3) a paradise earth in Luke 23:43. Right out of the watchtower. Open your eyes jws
@@ooklathemok7322 I found this interesting ruclips.net/video/XjUuHEMEbgk/видео.html&ab_channel=THEBEATbyAllenParr
Very good program, but I disagree with what you said about JWs being the only religion that teaches a resurrection onto a Paradise Earth. Christadelphians, 7th Day Adventists (after a desolated Earth for 100 years) Worldwide Church of God also teach a physical resurrection onto Earth. I remember getting into conversations with people of these churches and comparing ideas. Not sure about Mormons. You're right about the Bible not mentioning a paradise Earth, but what about the prophecy in Isaiah about "nice houses, peace between man and beasts, a man living to 100 years old and if he turns to sin he dies immediately although looking like a youth? Sounds like Earth to me, but I have an open mind now after spending 52 years in this cult.
The Sun won't supernova for 5 billion years so plenty of time for Earth to be a paradise if such a thing is to happen; maybe Great Tribulation is this event?
You're right Nubby! I didn't explain that well. There are others that have similar teachings. As for the prophecies in Isaiah, those are widely considered by scholars to 'restoration prophecies' regarding Jews and the Promised Land. Personally, with little to no research, I actually realized that while I was a JW. Most of the books by the prophets are simply directed at the Jews, written by men with personal interest in the Jews. Lots to unpack there, but JW's have lifted verses regarding Hebrew restoration and given them future or modern day 'applications'.....it's a serious case of cherry picking. Thank you for listening!
Ya! You to can pet rattle snakes and polar bears while eating perfectly ripe fruits and vegetables out of a horned shape basket wearing chino’s, polo shirts and loafers!
With your very own neatly pressed khakis :)
so what does Jehovahs witnesses think of when the Bible mentions that the earth shall burn and be destroyed, and that Jesus will come in the clouds, which we will meet in the sky and the earth will be gone forevere and a new heaven and earth will be created.
They believe in an incoming Armageddon that will destroy all the evil people on earth, but the planet itself will survive, citing Jewish restoration prophecies from the Old Testament
@@survivingparadisepodcast pkay so they neglect the new testaments prophets? And they will survive the clinate change? As a christian im not worried baout climate change because of the promise of a new jerusalem a new earth and new heaven. :)
@@jimmyhallstrom271 Jehovah's Witnesses don't worry about anything that man is facing because they believe at any minute that Armageddon will be here, there will be a mass genocide, then a world of hugging animals and eating fruit for all eternity :)
@@survivingparadisepodcast yeah sounds like where we are going, the paradise, but it is not here, I understand from the Bible, most churches understand it like me. Even thugh some believe in Hell, but original words is Sheol and Hades, means death.
@@jimmyhallstrom271 Lot's of interesting truths when you study the original language!
See I want to believe in the heavenly hopen and that Jesus taught that the paradise was in Heaven. It is very clear from the Greek scriptures. However, a question that keeps lingering in my mind is: Why would God create the paradise in the garden of Eden and allow Adams sin to change his plans and move everyone to Heaven? I am sure it is the JW indoctrination in me but I would appreciate your thoughts on this. What was the original plan?
Hi Liv, thank you for listening! Whew, that is a big one. Every instance in where the Bible is speaking of paradise, it is heavenly. They simply smashed old testament writings about the Promised Land into New Testament writings regarding heaven. It's very easy to study. As for the original play: full respectful transparency: I don't believe the Adam & Eve story is real, so I can't comment on it. The Bible as a subject is a BIG one and for me, almost a second discussion. I personally do not believe it to be inspired. I try to be respectful of those that do believe that....but I'm definitely not perfect.
In Nicene/mainstream Christianity the garden of Eden isn't a physical place.
@@SpiderDiscord Goodness I had no idea. Thanks I will look into that. I love learning about this from a wider perspective
@@SpiderDiscord agree! Fascinating that people take the entire account as literal
MANY RELIGIONS DO THINGS THAT HE DOES NOT BLESS !
Love your show 🙂
What if someone uses Matthew 6:10 to indicate Gods will taking place in heaven and on earth?
Genesis 3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Where is Adam sent or what does Jehovah say to Adam in this scripture, open your Bible and please make a video on this, it looks u have amazing knowledge 😝👏👏👏👏👏
Acts24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust
John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
What is this resurrection brother could you please explain 😎👍🤗🤗🤗♥️✌️🕊️ Peace 🙏
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
What does the scriptures say here?
What is message in Mathew 13: 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Psalm 104:5Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever
Psalm 119:90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.
Psalm 78:69 he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.
Does the prophecy gets fulfilled to the unwise person, ..... I am really wondering 😂🤣😅 anyways
I REMEMBER A SCRIPTURE JESUS SAID ABRAHAM WILL EAT AND DRINK WITH ME IN THE KINGDOM.
The only thing that is missing in their paradise is the animals and trees talking
Give them time, they may come up with that somehow.....remember, the 'stones would cry out'.....oh boy
Realistically speaking if the earth was going to be turned into a watchtower utopia. There would always be earthquakes. That’s something that the watchtower has never explained to their flock.
If babies are enemies of God then they ought be baptised to make sure they don't die at armaggedon then. Its Catholic thinking.
Exactly. They're very, very close to that.....8 year olds are getting baptized now!
No not really! Catholics do not believe babies are enemies of God and Catholic baptism does not make you punishable by disfellowshipping if you leave. 🤷🏽♂
Maybe the Jehovah's Witnesses will just stop having children. We can only hope.
In the ongoing bizarre world of JW's, they discourage having children, but also depend on them to count as 'publishers'... the easiest way forward for the cult it to indoctrinate children born to JW parents. It's criminal.
Surviving paradise. Then shoot off my fireworks. Priceless!
I bet they have all the kids in paradise in sweat shops making them Flintstone clothes!! Bwahaha!!
LOL, "not pictured"
When I finally woke up, and realized JW teachings were not Biblical, I ended up for a long period of time not believing in anything, and still find myself struggling to believe in any religion anymore! The JW’s ruined my spiritual life.
I completely understand AJ.....I'm very much agnostic.
Could you please explain Rev 21:1 about the new earth? Also, Jesus said the mild tempered will inherit the earth and there are quite a few scriptures in the OT that talk about the meek residing forever on earth. Will God eventually save the earth as well or leave us all here to our own demise? Some really nasty stuff is going on, talk about trauma.
Good Points, I can understand humans going to Heaven, since everything is energy, I think a loving god would not allow the earth and people to continue like this for ever . I have a theory where the earth is a paradise and people live a very long life on it but evenually go to heaven and may have opportunity to visit earth at times
@@johnnycroat I agree. Earth will be much different and certainly a better place to live especially when Satan and the demons are destroyed. The Bible also says that death won’t exist and this wouldn’t be true if death was still happening on earth.
I Am an ex kinda pissed jw. Now an actual reader of the Bible. You have to understand the Bible says we are born into iniquity. Which is enmity with God. We need Savior Jesus from before the womb.
Hi Karen, first, I'm SO glad you're an 'ex' JW.... welcome to freedom!! On the Bible: you're correct, that is the Bible teaching....a deeper dive on the Ransom is necessary... and while I don't believe the Bible is a book written by god, I work to show respect to those that do. I couldn't be happier to see that you're able to read it without the influence of the 'organization!'
I've listened and can relate to all your other podcasts...I too was born and raised JW...but not gonna lie I have trouble with this one...lol can you help me understand Matthew 5:5 maybe?
Hi Amy, very few JW's even understand that their own organization doesn't believe that Jesus is referring to a paradise earth, but rather that the earth is inherited by those that go to heaven. Check this out: "The anointed members of the Christian congregation are spoken of as having a heavenly inheritance, sharing Jesus' inheritance as his "brothers." (Eph 1:14; Col 1:12; 1Pe 1:4, 5) This includes the earth.-Mt 5:5." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p.1201
" saying that the 'mild-tempered will inherit the earth.' Yes, those mild-tempered ones who are to be with Christ in his heavenly kingdom will rule over this earth." Watchtower 1974 June 15 pp.377-378
@@survivingparadisepodcast when the anointed rule as kings over the earth (Rev 5:10) will it continue to be a complete disaster like it is today?
@@survivingparadisepodcast thank you
@@missfahrenheit411 I think that is debatable....as to whether you believe that teaching at all. Candidly, I do not. However, if it were true, we are getting preview of what these 8 guys would be like in heaven ;)
@@survivingparadisepodcast yes, the eight are a hot mess but I do believe the Bible when it talks about a new earth. I’ve been a JW for 30 years and came in by myself as a teen, my parents thought I was nuts but are very open, and I’m now having doubts about many JW teachings (which I’ve been having meltdowns over for the past year) but the Bible is clear that Satan and death will be done away with and that there will be righteous kings ruling over the earth so it appears that there is hope for the earth. I’m not dismissing this one yet.
Jesus said, "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise," so Jesus is the source of this paradise teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Jesus is the word of God responsible for all the psal.s, proverbs and Isiahs prophecy and the entire bible, so how could Jesus not know about the wolf lying down with the lamb, and a mere boy being the leader of lions?
Jesus is not only on board, he's the captor the ship, the main cornerstone of the teaching of God's paradise.
But, Matthew25:11 shows us who's not on board, those whom God has been hiding his precise urge from, proud and arrogant false religion and false prophets denying Jesus truth about his Father and creator Jehovah God.
David, I'd encourage you to take a closer look at Jesus words at Luke 23:43. JW's have doctored the verse. As for the Old Testament references, they are restoration prophecies for the Jews....they have zero application outside of their desire to own the Promised Land. It certainly is not a reference to a publication company from Pittsburgh, then New York. Zero connection.
MAT 5 V 5 PARSDISE ON EARTH.Revelation 21 v 1 to 6
Ps 37 vv10, 11.
THE GREAT CROWD IS BEFORE THE THRONE ALONG WITH THE 4 LIVING CREATURES, ETC . THE NEW JERUSALEM WILL COME DOWN; NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH !
2 PETER 2:3-9
Jesus commonly prefaced what he said with, “most truly (verily) I say to you,” He said this 26 times alone in the gospel of John. He never added the redundant word “today” to this phrase. He was obviously talking about that same day.
The watchtower deliberately moved the comma after “today” instead of “you” because the thief couldn’t possibly go to heaven without being anointed. Obviously, Jesus knew both himself and the thief were going to die that very day and therefore he was speaking of paradise as being in heaven and they would both be there - later that day.
By moving the comma, the watchtower can claim that the thief would make it to paradise… on earth… eventually.
Legitimate Bible translations:
New International Version
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
New Living Translation
And Jesus replied, “I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
English Standard Version
And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Berean Study Bible
And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Berean Literal Bible
And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise."
King James Bible
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
New King James Version
And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
New American Standard Bible
And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
NASB 1995
And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
NASB 1977
And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
Amplified Bible
Jesus said to him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Christian Standard Bible
And he said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Holman Christian Standard Bible
And He said to him, “I assure you: Today you will be with Me in paradise.”
American Standard Version
And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But Yeshua said to him, “Amen, I say to you that today you shall be with me in Paradise.”
Contemporary English Version
Jesus replied, "I promise that today you will be with me in paradise."
Douay-Rheims Bible
And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
Good News Translation
Jesus said to him, "I promise you that today you will be in Paradise with me."
International Standard Version
Jesus told him, "I tell you with certainty, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Literal Standard Version
and Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
New American Bible
He replied to him, “Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
NET Bible
And Jesus said to him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
New Revised Standard Version
He replied, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
New Heart English Bible
And he said to him, "Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Weymouth New Testament
"I tell you in solemn truth," replied Jesus, "that this very day you shall be with me in Paradise."
World English Bible
Jesus said to him, "Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Young's Literal Translation
and Jesus said to him, 'Verily I say to thee, To-day with me thou shalt be in the paradise.'
Fantastic example Dean!! And it's one of many!!
It's absurd to think Jesus was Michael the Archangel, became a man, then went back to being Michael. I thought Jesus returned to Heaven and sat at the right hand of God ?? (scripturally backed).
Absurd indeed!!
The idea and lure of paradise by the society is the cheese or bait in their diabolical trap to lure folks in.
They're masters at playing on people's emotions.....agree!
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
JW teach that Jesus told the sinner he would be in paradise not heaven with him.
Jesus has never been to paradise he wasn't there in the beginning if there was a Paradise and resides in heaven no a earthly Paradise as Adam and Eve did , so it's a total misinterpreted passage by Jw
Correct! With very little research and looking at context, he was clearly not speaking of a paradise earth. They depend on JW's not studying.
I really don't know why Jesus uses the word Paradise which means garden in Greek mabe Jesus was using simple language to a simple man, is the sinner in heaven or will he return to a Paradise on earth we don't know and we certainly can not build a whole doctrine stating that only Jehovah's Witnesses will be chosen to live in the earthly Paradise by obeying there governing body. And my POINT is this the governing body is not humble they never say we think we're unsure maybe they claim that everything that comes out of their mouth is gods direction .
In a modern-day sense they're trying to catch the falling Ark instead of leaving it alone( if you know what I mean)
just leave it alone not everything has to be interpreted to the point where there's probably millions of watchtowers been written with ever changing doctrin and explanations.
@@galaxiethinker183 they may be the best in history at taking a comment, story, parable or single word and getting millions to believe it means something never intended.
You’re so funny. As angry as I Am about my wasted childhood and self esteem the only revelation they have that none other saw was the New heaven and new a earth. He says New Jerusalem would descend from heaven making Earth his footstool. It’s in there. And I love that part. Creflo Dollar teaches it too. My Pastor after I hit saved fir 20 yrs.
When Abraham and friends are resurrected do you think they will be asked to shave? So ridiculous!😄
LOL, yes, they'll pop up and say "looking forward to a good shave!"....especially those who knew the Mosaic Law and it was a SIN to shave! LOL
Dogs on chains and lions n tigers and bears roam free, bwahaha!!
Who wants to tell them? ;)
Can't watch this, anything that is built on negativity is normally evil or bad.
Good luck to you all.
If it helps, there is nothing to watch 😉
You just have to obey God and follow rules of God ,babies of this world give.birth in that wiked world ,we are all wiked babies too ,why all babies were destroye among theirs parents during flood of NOA.? MAT 5v5 paradise on earth ,reely ressurection will ensues,. If we are supposed to go to heaven why ressurection will take place on earth ,I Cor ch 15 what is the necessity ,to ressurect them ,would be better resuscitate directly from tomb directly to heaven, Ps ch 1v 5,6 said sinners would remains in tomb .you are taking⁰.Go's for petty like you .
You my friend don't know what you're talking about. I'm not a JW but lean more to the christadelphians faith and paradise will be on earth. There are many scriptures that point to this fact. You need to read your Bible.
We await your proof. Please post proof that the earth will be a paradise where people will live forever. I've read AND studied the Bible multiple time. We will wait.
Ok, enough of his nonsense. I don't even know if it is worth refuting this misguided religion quack. He is so far gone. I wonder if he even reads the bible. But I will be brief. Psalms 37:29 says, "The righteous will possess the earth. And they will live forever on it."
I should just stop there. But here are some other facts. No where in the old testament does God say that anyone would be going to heaven. But those people back there did desire and hoped to live again. As Job mentioned in his book. Job 14:14,15 And the only place that they knew that people would spend eternity is right here on earth as is mentioned in Psalms 37. And so contrary to what this guy says, going to heaven was a very new teaching. And that for just a few people.
And to get back to the basic. Jehovah put man on earth and told him to be fruitful and fill the earth. It was NEVER God's purpose for the first human couple to sin and pass on sin and death to their offspring. And so if Adam and Eve did not sin, then they would still be here on earth, living here forever. God never told Adam that one day, he could live in heaven. And so the question is asked; "Is God capable of accomplishing what he purposed to do. Or can something or someone change God's purpose so that He cannot accomplish what he purposed to do. I think we all know that answer." Isaiah 55:11 answers that question. "So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results. But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight. And it will have sure success in what I send it to do." Case closed.
And so if Jehovah put man on earth to live in paradise conditions, forever, then it will be done. No matter how many people come on You Tube and ridicule it. And there is a big difference between living in Paradise and going to heaven. Which is why Jesus did not tell the man who died with him, that he will be going to heaven. Jesus words at John 5:28,29 says that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous. This man no doubt is one of the unrighteous that will be resurrected. Surely by the fact that what he did in life got him the death penalty shows that he was not a righteous man.
And since Jesus said that unrighteous people would be resurrected; where do you think that they will be resurrected to. Surely not heaven. Just use common sense. Heaven is a Holy place. Imagine if millions of unrighteous people are resurrected there.
And this is why Jesus chose Jehovah's Witnesses to preach the good news about the kingdom and the resurrection to the world. And this is why Jesus DID NOT choose people who do not understand the earthly resurrection, as is the case with this guy, to preach his nonsense to the world.
:) oh my, this is fantastic! Thanks kenneth for listening and confirming. Well studied on the bible and encourage you to do the same. Old Testament (Jewish restoration prophecies) vs. New Testament (Christian gospels) requires much much more study than what you have been exposed to as a JW. If you would be so kind to show us all Jesus CLEAR teaching regarding billions of billions of humans being resurrected to a paradise earth, we would all love to see it. Jesus was pretty forthright with his hope for the future. He is your 'king' since 1914, right? In the meantime, thanks for listening and I hope you're not in any trouble for exposing yourself to apostasy....or as the rest of us call it.....facts. I prefer Psalms 146:3 where you're commanded to not follow men... but guessing you follow the Governing Body in NY? I wish you well! Quack, quack!
@@survivingparadisepodcast Some people do not know how to read the bible. Jesus said at John 5:28,29 that "ALL" those in the tomb will hear his voice and come out." So let's see, Jesus said "ALL." Hmmm, then that means that everyone who has died will be resurrected. I wonder how many that could be? Could that be where anyone with a brain could come up with a number into the billions who will be resurrected. Since perhaps billions of people have already died. Of course it is. You see, this is why Jesus chose JW to preach. We use our brains. He gave us this wonderful hope and told us to tell the world about it.
But wait a minute. I wonder if some stupid people think he meant "COME OUT" as in' tell people that you're gay. With strange thinking people like you, I won't put that thought pass you.
@@MrRklewis Hey kenneth, might want to check your JW teachings on the your scripture there. Jesus only ever taught a heavenly resurrection. Ever. But we will wait for your next scripture regarding billions on the EARTH. You might also dig into your literature on when the heavenly resurrection started according to JW's. In addition, while I could do this all day with you and you will be unable to provide ONE reference to support an earthly resurrection of billions.....I think it's more important to ask why you don't sound very "Christlike' in your communications here. Have you put on the new personality? Jesus spoke kindly to adulterers, prostitutes and even.....GASP.....apostates. We will wait on the reference where the king and creator of the human race spells out plainly that billions will be resurrected to a paradise earth. Thanks in advance.
@@survivingparadisepodcast Well, at least I didn't call you an offspring of vipers as Jesus called those like you. Matt.3:7 You are only here to serve your own twisted purpose. You know good and well that I showed you scriptures where Jesus said that "ALL" those in the tombs will be resurrected. John 5:28,29 But people like you will argue, "Well he didn't say billions." You fulfill the prophecy at Dan.12:10 ..."and none of the wicked will understand." You give people no hope. While we have helped millions of people to see that God's purpose for the earth will be fulfilled. And you are content to make videos telling people that God was not able to fulfill his promise to have people live on the earth forever. Psalms 37:29 Shame on you!!!
@@MrRklewis Kevin, wish you the best. Unfortunately, the few references you've shared here do not remotely support your original comments. It's always sad to see people who are clearly duped by ten guys in upstate NY. As is always the case, you don't answer basic questions....and the reason is simple: it's all lies and you can't. As I do, I wish you the best and hope you'll stick around and listen (although you're disobeying your kings by doing so) .... perhaps something will click for you. I have the utmost empathy for where you are.... finally, Jesus words to those around him regarding resurrection all pointed to heaven. Clearly. If you can provide his most important message to billions that have lived here on earth....that they will be resurrected to a paradise earth, we would all love to see it. But don't work to hard...............it isn't there. Jesus only preached heaven. There is no earth. And not amount of Jewish/Promised Land restoration stories or prophecies will change that. The Jesus of the Bible wasn't confused..........unfortunately, Jehovah's Witnesses are. Take care kevin.