When are you going to work on the 2nd half of SMALLVILLE? It’s been years since you said there would be a final part, and it still hasn’t even been announced.
The editing and music choice when Falcone was dying here, synced up with the past, made me very emotional. Great job as always, This video goes like a freaking song.
The Long Halloween is easily one of my favorite Batman movies. It's not number one (that title goes to Under the Red Hood), but it's pretty damn close. It knows what to take and what to change. It also contains some pretty slick animation. Yeah, the CGI is pretty noticeable, but tell me the Chinatown fight isn't badass. The voice acting is 10s across the board. It's just a damn good flick
@@vicenzostella1390 Fr. My favorite part is in the middle of the fight where he dodges the attacks of the medium sized dude, then he knees him into a roundhouse kick. I watch that shit on repeat
Always love to see when your videos come out, the editing you do is also super inspiring because it flows effortless but I couldn't imagine it done any other way.
Aww thank you so much! I try really hard to create something that feels distinctive despite ultimately just using the movie's footage for 99.9% of it! :)
While in my opinion the comic had a more impactful ending, I still think the animated film was a serviceable adaptation. I don't think it was quite as strong as The Dark Knight Returns or Under the Red Hood animated movies, it was certainly better than Year One, Hush, and (especially) The Killing Joke adaptations.
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 Good call. I liked the first two thirds of batman: hush okay, but I kind of despised how much they changed the third act. I also wasn't a fan of the Gotham by Gaslight animated movie either.
Did you know TDRK movies are a sequel to the Year One movie? In Gordon's house in TDKR, the pictures of his family are from Year One. And his blonde wife is the cop he cheated with in Year One. Also one old cop in TDRK mentioned his first day on the job and seeing Batman, which was from Year One
@@LP3Customs Correct! Year One and The Dark Knight Returns comics were both written by Frank Miller, so they are connected. The movies just have such different animation styles and voice actors that I look at them as two separate adaptations, but I did notice the year one movie easter egg at Gordon's house. The Year One movie is an extremely faithful adaptation to the comic, it hardly changes or removes anything. But I'd still highly recommend reading the Year One comic. I just thought the pacing and tone worked better in the comic than the movie, and I personally found some of the voice acting in the movie to be a little flat (although, Bryan Cranston was pitch perfect casting as Gordon, he was terrific). Like I said, I think the Year One movie is OK, but my favorite adaptations are The Dark Knight Returns and Under the Red Hood, I think both of those movies are great. I'd also highly recommend reading the Dark Knight Returns if you haven't read that one yet either.
As a big DC animation fan, I can say with confidence that The Long Halloween Pts 1 and 2 were some of the best stuff to come out of DC in a long while, and I'm really excited to see what they do next :)
After watching this I sincerely hope we have an animated adaptation of *Batman: Dark Victory* , a direct sequel to the original story of Batman: The Long Halloween
But with Alberto and Sofia "Gigante" Falcone dying at the end of the *Long Halloween* adaptation, which had a more hopeful outcome for Bruce, *Dark Victory* would have to be vastly different. Who would be the Hangman? It's like hoping for a *Batman: Heart of Hush* movie, which would follow the ending of the DCAMU Hush... (for the record, I didn't hate the *Hush* adaptation, and I'm the biggest Hush fanboy that I ever met; it lined up pretty well with the alternate universe that the DCAMU movies created, where lots of things are very different from the comic books storylines)
As someone who is unfamiliar with the comic it was adapted from, I really quite enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the art style as well. They did a similar style with the last Superman movie and I hope it continues to be used
@@djantouahmed7319 Yeah it reminds me of the bold, dynamic designs from the old DCAU and Brave and the Bold, but with the more realistic anatomy of the more recent DCAMU. Best of both worlds imo.
Did Batman even accomplish anything in this story? He failed to prevent every single assassination, failed to stop Two-Face's transformation, and let the killer go in the end. Would the story have even played out differently if he just did nothing at all?
I think Christopher Nolan took inspiration from the final moment between Batman and Falcone. Bruce essentially tells him who he is by saying the same words falcone said to him all those years ago. It’s the same way Bruce tells Gordon in DKR who he is, right before he flies away with the bomb
I understand this is not a popular opinion, but I did not like this movie. Now, don't get me wrong in thinking I have nothing to praise. The characters, choreography and tone are super strong. But I can't get over how they wrote batman. He's completely incompetent as both a detective and general fighter (like way more than he should be even if he just started), and his decision in the end is equally out of character. Infact, if the ending didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth, I'd probably enjoy it a lot more. But never in a million years would he have just dropped it like that. There are entire DC series with plots hinging firmly on the fact batman can't flex in that way.
What I don't understand though, is that when they show the killings happening, the killer has the build of a man and looks nothing like Gilda? Can someone explain this?
@@djantouahmed7319 - But when Maroni was killed, Two-Face was on the ground with Gordon and Batman, so it had to be Gilda up there; and she still had the build/upper face of a man. I'm fine with the "it's a disguise" option, but we can't put everything on Harvey when it's clear that they changed a lot from the comics (where Alberto, Gilda and Harvey committed murders pinned on "Holiday")
14:23 I think another little detail can be seen in the Gordon kids' costumes for Halloween. Barbara is dressed as a cop, foreshadowing her future as a crimefighter via Batgirl and Oracle respectively. James Jr., meanwhile, is dressed as a ghost, foreshadowing his future as a untraceable serial killer, that terrifies all that come in contact with him.
4:25 I actually had a problem with that scene. And it's directly because of that Coin. Now the scene is where they're contemplating burning the money isn't in the book, instead they just burn it without discussing it. So when they're getting rid of the money in this movie, Batman pulls out a coin. Heads they burn the money, tails they don't. But it's the silver, double headed coin. Now this raises a few issues. For one, why on earth would Bruce carry a double headed coin or even need it? And two, in the book and in the main canon of DC, that coin is supposed to belong to Harvey. It holds an integral part to his character. It once belonged to his abusive father, who essentially created Harvey's split personality (Two-Face). In the comic, it is integral to his story in the Long Halloween. And that is because of the value it has TO HARVEY and his relationship to his father. Harvey in the comic flips his father's coin whenever he's stressed, when he thinks about his father, or when he's embracing the Two-Face personality. The coin is a constant reminder of his fate, and the reason he became a district attorney. So in the movie, when Harvey receives the coin, it has no value to him, his character, or his backstory. It's not just a coin, it's supposed to be Harvey's Coin. His father's coin. Two-Face's coin. This scene could have easily been fixed by having Harvey pull out the coin, which would have added to his character, more. If he said "Heads we burn it.", but knew that the coin was double sided, it would have shown his dark side. As if he wanted to burn it despite his legal obligations to the law. And it would have further foreshadowed his transformation into Two-Face. My guess is that the were just trying to pad the runtime and give Catwoman more screen time, since in the book as I mentioned, they chose to burn the money, but Catwoman in the movie here gave them the suggestion (Also, why does Catwoman casually have a match with her?). Also, probably because just like in The Dark Knight, they were trying to make Harvey for a thematic purpose, but I don't think it worked here.
Completely agree. I don’t like Batman giving Harvey the coin in the movie cause it’s like Batman encouraging him to leave things to chance. To make decisions regarding justice with just a flip of a coin. And that’s why Batman doesn’t like Two Face’s thought-process in the first place. In The Dark Knight film, Batman scolds Harvey for leaving the fate of people’s lives to chance. Perhaps in this movie, Batman was merely joking about deciding the money’s fate with a coin toss. Because again it was just a material object. But I’m sure Batman never intended for Harvey to decide all things, especially the fate of human lives, with the coin.
"it has no value to him, his character, or his backstory" The only one in this list that's correct is his backstory, because the coin isn't Harvey's from the beginning it was given to him. But the coin does have importance to his character and he does value it within this movie. The value he has instilled in it has only been slightly changed as it doesn't have the "abusive father" subtext underneath.
I see it as Bruce's more manipulative side coming to light, he's always had one and even in the main canon in his earlier interactions with others in the world he likes to give the illusion of choice. I find it very believable that due to the events of his father saving falcone he has developed on some level a sort of familial connection he relates to and that currently knowing he's about to take him down carries with him one of the remnants of that relationship, an heirloom from a time of peace if you will, he picks the coin back up again and carries it with him along the way and I think thematically this pairs beautifully with the final conversation between them at the end. While I do believe that Harvey's connection to his father and the coin is also an excellent narrative I personally don't prefer it because it implies that Harvey throughout his endeavors in his law career has already been entertaining the corruption of his soul and that while his father in some sense, could be seen as part of the city's pollution, I believe it works better when Harvey's journey through the pollution is tied more personally to his own actions to correct that pollution rather than how he was raised. I believe Harvey develops the attachment to the coin as a trauma response, I'll explain: he's about to make this huge decision that immensely impacts his morality, he finds out that he's been manipulated in that choice and that such a huge decision was never left to chance which is where the seeds of the idea of making your own luck are planted, only for him to get back home not too long after and go through another life threatening event in retaliation of a choice he was manipulated into, was this his moral dessert? Is he receiving divine punishment? These are questions that Harvey can ask himself lying in the hospital as he mulls over the events, all he knows is that the sequence events cascaded into an outcome almost entirely out of his control and as he moves forward he'd wish to have a better grasp on controlling the tide rather than flowing with it hence the final foundation for his attachment to the coin being laid. That's how I saw it, it worked for me but I know you might have preferred it your way, I think in terms of the movie it first into the narrative of the film though and hope this helped you see the other side
The fact that Falcone knew who holiday was the whole time shows that he wasn't no snitch. When he told batman "I guess justice really is blind" i knew he was 💯. Batman slick knew as well he just wanted see if it was worth the cost.
I have to be honest: even though the graphic novel is a classic, I actually think this film adaption is a more coherent story, with a more understandable denouement and more human characterizations. Falcone having a closer relationship to the Wayne's is interesting. I don't know how close this was in production to 2022's "The Batman", but they seem to share thematic similarities.
My problem with this film is that batman feels like a terrible crime fighter and an even worse detective that doesn't even follow his morales in the end.
@@ImplicitlyPretentious no doubt Love your videos As a writer who’s been detached from his passion because of..life..I love binging your content when I can 🙏🏾
Why everyone Who does video essays on RUclips pretends to be funny by being "sarcastic", Its getting annoying. Also they allí Talk with the same cadence.
This Two face is by far one of my favorites. The Dark Knights version is still good. But the dynamic of Batman giving Harvey the coin is amazing to me. If you think abt it, it was almost like Batman was shedding the selfish desires Carmine had wished Bruce to indulge in while burdening Harvey with that life. As soon as Harvey got that coin he bet it all on burning the money or turning it in and he took that extra step, beginning a line of bringing Harvey to Gordons level, to then Batmans to something more extreme to stop the mob. A perfect trio in the forms of which the war against crime is fought. It's also ironic since Carmine and Batman both mirror Harveys personalitys as himself and Two Face. Don't get me started on Two Faces dynamic with Solomon Grundy. Grundy started out as a criminal who died and became a more sympathetic character where Two Face is the opposite. They were both reborn to fill a purpose. Genuinely, this is by far my favorite version of Two Face. His protectiveness for Harvey making the multi personality disorder aspect more realistic and his protectiveness for his wife and for Gotham shows that he's not just a two bit mobster. He's more than that. I really enjoy when adaptations show Harvey as trying to do some kind of good but Two Face is the one who takes all the actions to make it possible though he gets carried away such as Arkham Knight when he robs the banks. Harvey's justification is that he wants to clean out the laundered money from the other mobsters and put it to good use. Two Face turns it into a full on mobster scheme of its own. Sorry this is really long. I just love the character.
The Movie/movies are good but didn't impact me the way the comic did, and I'm not one of those people always saying "The Book is better." I don't know if it was the changes, ending or the fact that slow burn noir stories just work better as comics, but I remember wanting it to just get to the end. That's incredibly uncharacteristic for me, I've been reading, collecting and obsessing over comics (especially DC) for 30 years and no matter how well I know a story or dislike a character or an arc I don't want to give up on them. Even watching Marvel set the legacy and characters of that world on fire the past 3 years.... I stay positive. DC animated films have always been held at a higher standard and are good even when they miss, I think it's one of those situations where the comic is just too good to be outdone.
I love this movie, it's definitely different than the comics but not worse, just different and has it's own special qualities going for it. One (very minor) critique though, the family trick-or-treating at the end should've been Gordon and his family with the kid in the Batman costume being Barbara, really just make that first moment with Jim and the family at the beginning of pt1 come full circle.
Wasn't there a time he claimed the coin made a decision, but it was revealed to us he was lying and wanted to do that action anyway (pretty sure it was something about helping Batman)
The one thing about the Batman Long Halloween I didn’t care for is how he let Gilda go even though the whole point of arresting Harvey dent was to not take the law into your own hands
I know right. Im shocked nobody seems to mention it, in my opinion the ending completely destroys Batman's character. He doesn't do favoures to criminals, just because the victims were bad people. She literally tells him in his face she doesn't regret a thing.
True, but how was he supposed to bring her in? There was no more evidence to present to the case, and I am not sure if the court would accept the case itself.
They should have used tim sale's design for joker and penguin. Poison ivy is only half her tim sale design and same with two face. Lastly catwoman would hqve been uniwue
I only recently discovered your channel and subscribed. The fact that you consciously edit the videos and call yourself out as you present them almost in every single video, it's why I love your channel. Keep up the good work bro. 99% of the time you're on point and on the strength with your thesis.
this is a still great video but so ironic how the other movies that came out for this universe just undo it with his whole "I don't work with kids" or his "is a stupid idea"
I disagree all the choices made perfect sense. Apart from killing Sophia still nice that means they’re not doing Dark Victory. Which I kids predicted when they didn’t do haunted Knight
@@eldritchpumpkinghost2968 I didn't say that "all the choices" didn't make sense. I said that they changed the story and the characters from the comic. They dumbed The Long Halloween down by changing it as they did, and I hate that. Here is an example: In the graphic novel, no one ever figures out who the Holiday killer truly is. If Batman had figured out that it was Gilda Dent, he would have arrested her for the serial killings. In the animated film, Batman does figure out that she is the killer, and he lets her get away with it. Batman would NEVER let a serial killer walk free. If you think that THAT choice "made perfect sense," then you don't understand Batman as a character. The animated film made Batman overly sympathetic to killers.
@@themodernmythicist2282 I can agree with that a bit. They definitely wrote themselves into a corner by letting Batman know. If he arrests her they he’s an asshole and bad person for not understanding her situation. But letting her go was kinda off too unless it comes back in a Dark Victory story. It was best to just let her get away with it without Batman knowing.
The ending completely destroys Batman's character. Batman would never let a criminal get away, just because the victims where bad people. Batman stands for order, justice and light in a world of darkness. He uses darkness but is not himself dark. I don't know who that character with the bat costume at the end is, but it's not Bruce.
You seem to be forgetting this takes place less than a year after Batman: Year One so it's less than his second year ever as a crime fighter, He cared more about the idea of Harvey Dent and the tragedy it spawned than anything else. He was still really inexperienced.
On that note, I think a friendship between Bruce and Barry is rarely explored and should be more often. They are both detectives in their own rights, as well as very similar in terms of tragic motivation and laser focus. Also the fact that they hide their abilities until time is right. And more importantly, they represent hope for those that need it.
@@vicenzostella1390 your right there Tbh, I think that’s why the Arrow/Flash dynamic is so strong Cause Arrow in that show is literally a Wayne Type character 👍🏻
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When are you going to work on the 2nd half of SMALLVILLE? It’s been years since you said there would be a final part, and it still hasn’t even been announced.
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The editing and music choice when Falcone was dying here, synced up with the past, made me very emotional. Great job as always, This video goes like a freaking song.
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Yeah should make full length
Totally agree!! I got goodsebumps!! You pointed out the symmetry in the story so well!!
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The Long Halloween is easily one of my favorite Batman movies. It's not number one (that title goes to Under the Red Hood), but it's pretty damn close. It knows what to take and what to change. It also contains some pretty slick animation. Yeah, the CGI is pretty noticeable, but tell me the Chinatown fight isn't badass. The voice acting is 10s across the board. It's just a damn good flick
Same. Under the red hood is my fav batman movie. LH is in my top 3
That Chinatown fight was super badass. You could feel Bruce's punches from across the screen.
@@vicenzostella1390 Fr. My favorite part is in the middle of the fight where he dodges the attacks of the medium sized dude, then he knees him into a roundhouse kick. I watch that shit on repeat
Funny how both of those movies star Jensen Ackles, damn good actor
This is one of my fave graphic novels. Best movie for me is still MoP
3:27 In the comic it's implied Carmine didn't want Alberto to be a gangster but here he abuses him and calls him weak.
Maybe an attempt to drive him away from this life.
Always love to see when your videos come out, the editing you do is also super inspiring because it flows effortless but I couldn't imagine it done any other way.
Aww thank you so much! I try really hard to create something that feels distinctive despite ultimately just using the movie's footage for 99.9% of it! :)
Honestly, The Long Halloween was probably one of my favorite animated adaptions to date.
I enjoyed it. I also enjoyed flashpoint paradox. Thomas Wayne batman was pure fucking badass.
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While in my opinion the comic had a more impactful ending, I still think the animated film was a serviceable adaptation. I don't think it was quite as strong as The Dark Knight Returns or Under the Red Hood animated movies, it was certainly better than Year One, Hush, and (especially) The Killing Joke adaptations.
Swap out your one with Batman hush
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 Good call. I liked the first two thirds of batman: hush okay, but I kind of despised how much they changed the third act. I also wasn't a fan of the Gotham by Gaslight animated movie either.
I don't know what the Year One comic was like, but I thought the movie was great
Did you know TDRK movies are a sequel to the Year One movie? In Gordon's house in TDKR, the pictures of his family are from Year One. And his blonde wife is the cop he cheated with in Year One. Also one old cop in TDRK mentioned his first day on the job and seeing Batman, which was from Year One
@@LP3Customs Correct! Year One and The Dark Knight Returns comics were both written by Frank Miller, so they are connected. The movies just have such different animation styles and voice actors that I look at them as two separate adaptations, but I did notice the year one movie easter egg at Gordon's house. The Year One movie is an extremely faithful adaptation to the comic, it hardly changes or removes anything. But I'd still highly recommend reading the Year One comic. I just thought the pacing and tone worked better in the comic than the movie, and I personally found some of the voice acting in the movie to be a little flat (although, Bryan Cranston was pitch perfect casting as Gordon, he was terrific). Like I said, I think the Year One movie is OK, but my favorite adaptations are The Dark Knight Returns and Under the Red Hood, I think both of those movies are great. I'd also highly recommend reading the Dark Knight Returns if you haven't read that one yet either.
As a big DC animation fan, I can say with confidence that The Long Halloween Pts 1 and 2 were some of the best stuff to come out of DC in a long while, and I'm really excited to see what they do next :)
After watching this I sincerely hope we have an animated adaptation of *Batman: Dark Victory* , a direct sequel to the original story of Batman: The Long Halloween
But with Alberto and Sofia "Gigante" Falcone dying at the end of the *Long Halloween* adaptation, which had a more hopeful outcome for Bruce, *Dark Victory* would have to be vastly different.
Who would be the Hangman?
It's like hoping for a *Batman: Heart of Hush* movie, which would follow the ending of the DCAMU Hush...
(for the record, I didn't hate the *Hush* adaptation, and I'm the biggest Hush fanboy that I ever met; it lined up pretty well with the alternate universe that the DCAMU movies created, where lots of things are very different from the comic books storylines)
I’m still hoping for a solid No Man’s Land movie or multipart limited series. It’s my favorite Batman comic line
@@randallflagg3700 did she die though? We saw her falling on the car, making her possibly wheelchair bound.
We NEED a Knightfall movie ASAP too.
It would be cool to see this Batman get a Robin but the crisis movies kind changed that
This is one of the dc films I go back to rewatch the most, mainly because of the art style the story, and Jensen Ackles as batman it's a true classic
I loved the art direction, music, and choices of this movie. Very good in my opinion
As someone who is unfamiliar with the comic it was adapted from, I really quite enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the art style as well. They did a similar style with the last Superman movie and I hope it continues to be used
Seriously, this artstyle is truly refreshing.
I feel like this works for independent project especially these detective stories, but idk about a crossover movie with other dc heroes
@@djantouahmed7319 Yeah it reminds me of the bold, dynamic designs from the old DCAU and Brave and the Bold, but with the more realistic anatomy of the more recent DCAMU. Best of both worlds imo.
The animated movie is better than the comic book and I love that they make Gilda a more interesting and complex character.
In what universe? lmao.
Seriously, I love the direction they went with. It was far more morally grey, and far more interesting.
My favorite DC animated film by far, I was not expecting such quality.
Did Batman even accomplish anything in this story? He failed to prevent every single assassination, failed to stop Two-Face's transformation, and let the killer go in the end. Would the story have even played out differently if he just did nothing at all?
Off the top of my head, the Joker would have gassed everyone in Gotham square on New Year's Eve
Sometimes, that's how the story is.
I think Christopher Nolan took inspiration from the final moment between Batman and Falcone. Bruce essentially tells him who he is by saying the same words falcone said to him all those years ago. It’s the same way Bruce tells Gordon in DKR who he is, right before he flies away with the bomb
Although that is a cool idea, that moment wasn't in the original comic that came out in the 90s
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Holy shit I love the art style this movie has. It's a bit like Venture Bros.
Catwoman is so hot in this damn
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So the World's Greatest Detective couldn't solve a mystery.
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The ending montage made my heart go boom boom.
Wait, The Riddler isn't Hush in Batman Hush? Thanks, now I can read the comic series without any real spoilers.
I understand this is not a popular opinion, but I did not like this movie. Now, don't get me wrong in thinking I have nothing to praise. The characters, choreography and tone are super strong. But I can't get over how they wrote batman. He's completely incompetent as both a detective and general fighter (like way more than he should be even if he just started), and his decision in the end is equally out of character. Infact, if the ending didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth, I'd probably enjoy it a lot more. But never in a million years would he have just dropped it like that. There are entire DC series with plots hinging firmly on the fact batman can't flex in that way.
I'd love to see your take on Superman & Lois, that series is blowing my mind.
What I don't understand though, is that when they show the killings happening, the killer has the build of a man and looks nothing like Gilda? Can someone explain this?
I think Harvey is the one doing the killing, and she's just orchestrating it.
red herring
Red herring. Could easily be extra/bulkier clothing or whatever may be.
She started the killings, but Harvey continued it
@@djantouahmed7319 - But when Maroni was killed, Two-Face was on the ground with Gordon and Batman, so it had to be Gilda up there; and she still had the build/upper face of a man.
I'm fine with the "it's a disguise" option, but we can't put everything on Harvey when it's clear that they changed a lot from the comics (where Alberto, Gilda and Harvey committed murders pinned on "Holiday")
14:23
I think another little detail can be seen in the Gordon kids' costumes for Halloween.
Barbara is dressed as a cop, foreshadowing her future as a crimefighter via Batgirl and Oracle respectively. James Jr., meanwhile, is dressed as a ghost, foreshadowing his future as a untraceable serial killer, that terrifies all that come in contact with him.
So Falcone knew Bruce was batman the whole time? I thought Bruce was telling him in his last moments
I recently watched this movie and that was the impression that I got
Very good video needs more views!
4:25
I actually had a problem with that scene. And it's directly because of that Coin.
Now the scene is where they're contemplating burning the money isn't in the book, instead they just burn it without discussing it.
So when they're getting rid of the money in this movie, Batman pulls out a coin. Heads they burn the money, tails they don't. But it's the silver, double headed coin.
Now this raises a few issues.
For one, why on earth would Bruce carry a double headed coin or even need it? And two, in the book and in the main canon of DC, that coin is supposed to belong to Harvey. It holds an integral part to his character. It once belonged to his abusive father, who essentially created Harvey's split personality (Two-Face). In the comic, it is integral to his story in the Long Halloween. And that is because of the value it has TO HARVEY and his relationship to his father. Harvey in the comic flips his father's coin whenever he's stressed, when he thinks about his father, or when he's embracing the Two-Face personality. The coin is a constant reminder of his fate, and the reason he became a district attorney.
So in the movie, when Harvey receives the coin, it has no value to him, his character, or his backstory. It's not just a coin, it's supposed to be Harvey's Coin. His father's coin. Two-Face's coin.
This scene could have easily been fixed by having Harvey pull out the coin, which would have added to his character, more. If he said "Heads we burn it.", but knew that the coin was double sided, it would have shown his dark side. As if he wanted to burn it despite his legal obligations to the law. And it would have further foreshadowed his transformation into Two-Face.
My guess is that the were just trying to pad the runtime and give Catwoman more screen time, since in the book as I mentioned, they chose to burn the money, but Catwoman in the movie here gave them the suggestion (Also, why does Catwoman casually have a match with her?). Also, probably because just like in The Dark Knight, they were trying to make Harvey for a thematic purpose, but I don't think it worked here.
Completely agree. I don’t like Batman giving Harvey the coin in the movie cause it’s like Batman encouraging him to leave things to chance. To make decisions regarding justice with just a flip of a coin. And that’s why Batman doesn’t like Two Face’s thought-process in the first place. In The Dark Knight film, Batman scolds Harvey for leaving the fate of people’s lives to chance.
Perhaps in this movie, Batman was merely joking about deciding the money’s fate with a coin toss. Because again it was just a material object. But I’m sure Batman never intended for Harvey to decide all things, especially the fate of human lives, with the coin.
"it has no value to him, his character, or his backstory"
The only one in this list that's correct is his backstory, because the coin isn't Harvey's from the beginning it was given to him.
But the coin does have importance to his character and he does value it within this movie. The value he has instilled in it has only been slightly changed as it doesn't have the "abusive father" subtext underneath.
Did you actually watch the movie? The fact you don't know why Bruce has the coin says a lot.
I see it as Bruce's more manipulative side coming to light, he's always had one and even in the main canon in his earlier interactions with others in the world he likes to give the illusion of choice.
I find it very believable that due to the events of his father saving falcone he has developed on some level a sort of familial connection he relates to and that currently knowing he's about to take him down carries with him one of the remnants of that relationship, an heirloom from a time of peace if you will, he picks the coin back up again and carries it with him along the way and I think thematically this pairs beautifully with the final conversation between them at the end.
While I do believe that Harvey's connection to his father and the coin is also an excellent narrative I personally don't prefer it because it implies that Harvey throughout his endeavors in his law career has already been entertaining the corruption of his soul and that while his father in some sense, could be seen as part of the city's pollution, I believe it works better when Harvey's journey through the pollution is tied more personally to his own actions to correct that pollution rather than how he was raised.
I believe Harvey develops the attachment to the coin as a trauma response, I'll explain: he's about to make this huge decision that immensely impacts his morality, he finds out that he's been manipulated in that choice and that such a huge decision was never left to chance which is where the seeds of the idea of making your own luck are planted, only for him to get back home not too long after and go through another life threatening event in retaliation of a choice he was manipulated into, was this his moral dessert? Is he receiving divine punishment? These are questions that Harvey can ask himself lying in the hospital as he mulls over the events, all he knows is that the sequence events cascaded into an outcome almost entirely out of his control and as he moves forward he'd wish to have a better grasp on controlling the tide rather than flowing with it hence the final foundation for his attachment to the coin being laid.
That's how I saw it, it worked for me but I know you might have preferred it your way, I think in terms of the movie it first into the narrative of the film though and hope this helped you see the other side
The fact that Falcone knew who holiday was the whole time shows that he wasn't no snitch. When he told batman "I guess justice really is blind" i knew he was 💯. Batman slick knew as well he just wanted see if it was worth the cost.
Damn he knew? Must’ve missed that ADHD makes it hard for me to see many details, was there a reason he didn’t stop her?
Kay, so, I'm a bit dense but... What does "All we get is all we take" really mean? Just "fight harder for what you want"?
A Batman video 🤤
There's another incoming soon too 🤪
My rank order of the post 2000 batman animations;
Under The Red Hood
TDK Returns
Long Halloween
Year 1
10:05 that does not look like gilda so is the person who fired the gun falcone? (The roman not alberto falcone)
I have to be honest: even though the graphic novel is a classic, I actually think this film adaption is a more coherent story, with a more understandable denouement and more human characterizations. Falcone having a closer relationship to the Wayne's is interesting. I don't know how close this was in production to 2022's "The Batman", but they seem to share thematic similarities.
Poison Ivy here was hot
My problem with this film is that batman feels like a terrible crime fighter and an even worse detective that doesn't even follow his morales in the end.
Boy I'm glad I bought the deluxe edition. Watching it as one film just seems better to me.
It's my man! Please say "Trauma"
Imma have to come back and watch this
I ain't know the movie was out already 😣
Aww well thanks for clicking anyways! ☺️
@@ImplicitlyPretentious no doubt
Love your videos
As a writer who’s been detached from his passion because of..life..I love binging your content when I can 🙏🏾
:D let’s get ittttt an upload!!
Thanks internet dudester
Does anyone know the song in the description? :)
thanks and it's literally for the music tribute song in the video: Now you sail away by OTE 😂
Why everyone Who does video essays on RUclips pretends to be funny by being "sarcastic", Its getting annoying. Also they allí Talk with the same cadence.
13:18 I don't know why I didn't get this line when I first watched this lol. Great video so far too
This Two face is by far one of my favorites. The Dark Knights version is still good. But the dynamic of Batman giving Harvey the coin is amazing to me. If you think abt it, it was almost like Batman was shedding the selfish desires Carmine had wished Bruce to indulge in while burdening Harvey with that life. As soon as Harvey got that coin he bet it all on burning the money or turning it in and he took that extra step, beginning a line of bringing Harvey to Gordons level, to then Batmans to something more extreme to stop the mob. A perfect trio in the forms of which the war against crime is fought. It's also ironic since Carmine and Batman both mirror Harveys personalitys as himself and Two Face. Don't get me started on Two Faces dynamic with Solomon Grundy. Grundy started out as a criminal who died and became a more sympathetic character where Two Face is the opposite. They were both reborn to fill a purpose. Genuinely, this is by far my favorite version of Two Face. His protectiveness for Harvey making the multi personality disorder aspect more realistic and his protectiveness for his wife and for Gotham shows that he's not just a two bit mobster. He's more than that. I really enjoy when adaptations show Harvey as trying to do some kind of good but Two Face is the one who takes all the actions to make it possible though he gets carried away such as Arkham Knight when he robs the banks. Harvey's justification is that he wants to clean out the laundered money from the other mobsters and put it to good use. Two Face turns it into a full on mobster scheme of its own. Sorry this is really long. I just love the character.
Crime how underrated this is
The Movie/movies are good but didn't impact me the way the comic did, and I'm not one of those people always saying "The Book is better." I don't know if it was the changes, ending or the fact that slow burn noir stories just work better as comics, but I remember wanting it to just get to the end. That's incredibly uncharacteristic for me, I've been reading, collecting and obsessing over comics (especially DC) for 30 years and no matter how well I know a story or dislike a character or an arc I don't want to give up on them. Even watching Marvel set the legacy and characters of that world on fire the past 3 years.... I stay positive. DC animated films have always been held at a higher standard and are good even when they miss, I think it's one of those situations where the comic is just too good to be outdone.
I love this movie, it's definitely different than the comics but not worse, just different and has it's own special qualities going for it.
One (very minor) critique though, the family trick-or-treating at the end should've been Gordon and his family with the kid in the Batman costume being Barbara, really just make that first moment with Jim and the family at the beginning of pt1 come full circle.
Batman: Year One Batman: The Long Halloween Catwoman: When In Rome Batman: Dark Victory Robin: Year One Batgirl: Year One
I’d love to see the smallville video eventually!!!
Pop Quiz for any True Batman fan: Has Harvey Dent/Two-Face ever, by his own choice, NOT moved forward with a decision made by his coin flip?
Wasn't there a time he claimed the coin made a decision, but it was revealed to us he was lying and wanted to do that action anyway (pretty sure it was something about helping Batman)
@@service-smile210 the Arkham asylum comic if I remember correctly
In one adaption I recall him keep flipping the coin until he got the result the side he wanted.
TrUe BaTMaN FaN.
@@_V.Va_ well are ya?
Originally I was unhappy with the changes made to the comic book story
But u may have changed my mind
Think I'll give it another watch
You list the songs in order, but it's hard to figure out, so I'll ask you. What music is used for most of "Act 3"?
Man your editing is so good that for a moment you made forget that i don't like this movie on it's own nor i like how they adapted the comic
This video is better than the movie. Not saying the movie was bad, but I’m definitely watching this video more time the movie itself.
Oh damn
I binged all ur batman vid essays
ur truly a goated writer
Wish you all the best!
Personally I prefer the saying, “All you get is what you give.”
Implicit: *talking about a DC movie that isn't Snyder*
Also Implicit: Ahhhhhh!
I just finished both of the movie just last night lmfao
The one thing about the Batman Long Halloween I didn’t care for is how he let Gilda go even though the whole point of arresting Harvey dent was to not take the law into your own hands
I know right. Im shocked nobody seems to mention it, in my opinion the ending completely destroys Batman's character. He doesn't do favoures to criminals, just because the victims were bad people. She literally tells him in his face she doesn't regret a thing.
True, but how was he supposed to bring her in? There was no more evidence to present to the case, and I am not sure if the court would accept the case itself.
fair point@@vicenzostella1390
Love this Chanel
They should have used tim sale's design for joker and penguin. Poison ivy is only half her tim sale design and same with two face. Lastly catwoman would hqve been uniwue
I think you may have actually went crazy while you were writing the description for the video cuz all it is... is a song.
I only recently discovered your channel and subscribed. The fact that you consciously edit the videos and call yourself out as you present them almost in every single video, it's why I love your channel. Keep up the good work bro. 99% of the time you're on point and on the strength with your thesis.
this is a still great video but so ironic how the other movies that came out for this universe just undo it with his whole "I don't work with kids" or his "is a stupid idea"
Sorry but can someone explain what the quote means?
Is this set in the same universe as Superman Man of Tomorrow ?
this channel inspires emotion like none other Ive seen. you do amazing work. appreciate the quality
The Cantonese thing caught me off guard. Never hear it anymore.
I hate how they changed the story and the characters from the comic.
I disagree all the choices made perfect sense. Apart from killing Sophia still nice that means they’re not doing Dark Victory. Which I kids predicted when they didn’t do haunted Knight
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I didn't say that "all the choices" didn't make sense. I said that they changed the story and the characters from the comic. They dumbed The Long Halloween down by changing it as they did, and I hate that.
Here is an example: In the graphic novel, no one ever figures out who the Holiday killer truly is. If Batman had figured out that it was Gilda Dent, he would have arrested her for the serial killings. In the animated film, Batman does figure out that she is the killer, and he lets her get away with it. Batman would NEVER let a serial killer walk free. If you think that THAT choice "made perfect sense," then you don't understand Batman as a character. The animated film made Batman overly sympathetic to killers.
@@themodernmythicist2282 I can agree with that a bit. They definitely wrote themselves into a corner by letting Batman know. If he arrests her they he’s an asshole and bad person for not understanding her situation. But letting her go was kinda off too unless it comes back in a Dark Victory story. It was best to just let her get away with it without Batman knowing.
I adore you bro! You ROCK!
These r amazing videos…but they def need more of my time to fully digest 😅
I just found this channel and your rhythm of editing is CRISP and music choice ON POINT. I'm taking notes
More Batman!
This art style reminds me of the venture Brothers very lovely!
While I found the animation to be a little stiff the story was excellent
(POYO)
Gilda
Its weird I never noticed that Bruce gave Harvey a rigged coin, thats kind of messed up
Great video!
“Gotham is…”
Hello hi I love your videos and how deep you get with them I genuinely appreciate your videos. They're always so interesting
What a great movie I watched last night didn't expected it to be this good man
2:00 Huh. It's almost like the guy knows how to make a movie.
Why does Ok Pop Ko sound different at the end?
What is the song name for the credits? Is it a nightcore version of OK POP Ko?
The ending completely destroys Batman's character. Batman would never let a criminal get away, just because the victims where bad people. Batman stands for order, justice and light in a world of darkness. He uses darkness but is not himself dark. I don't know who that character with the bat costume at the end is, but it's not Bruce.
You seem to be forgetting this takes place less than a year after Batman: Year One so it's less than his second year ever as a crime fighter, He cared more about the idea of Harvey Dent and the tragedy it spawned than anything else. He was still really inexperienced.
@@Elfenlied8675309 and yet we’ve never seen that happen anywhere else but here.
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Love these movies! And you😊
Damn, your editing skills have stepped up a notch!
So how do you think writers will use the new Batman and Flash?
Anyone got any ideas on what they could do?
On that note, I think a friendship between Bruce and Barry is rarely explored and should be more often. They are both detectives in their own rights, as well as very similar in terms of tragic motivation and laser focus. Also the fact that they hide their abilities until time is right. And more importantly, they represent hope for those that need it.
@@vicenzostella1390 your right there
Tbh, I think that’s why the Arrow/Flash dynamic is so strong
Cause Arrow in that show is literally a Wayne Type character 👍🏻
Super Nice
Could I join this?
Yeah totally!
@@ImplicitlyPretentious great
You are still doing that Smallville video?
Hehe
people should stop saying Batman is just a guy. He may be a guy, but that's pretty much where his relatability ends
Nope
He's just a guy.
A rich, smart, clever and physically at the human peak guy.