beautifully said. my husband and I split for a year plus I was in adultery during that time and was very hurt by his actions but I took no accountability until God softened my heart brought me back to his purpose and restored my marriage. my husband have never been kinder. we married at 19 together since I was 15. we both had a lot of growing up to do in different areas. we were toxic. the Lord restored him and I ten fold. for turning away from our sins we both were in and through forgiveness and repentance, he renewed us. our cups are running over with his blessings years later. thank Jesus for his mercy and grace. I'd be no where without it. I've learned about God's heart more through my failures and HIS perfect love- not mine. it brought me to repentance. please keep my family in your prayers. you are a true man of God. thank you for talking about what many don't want to discuss. I bless you and your family greatly in Jesus mighty name brother.
Thank you!!! I saw a message from someone saying you were living in an adulterous relationship if you had either been married before. Basically saying there was no hope for us unless we repented and LEFT the relationship. My husband has been married twice before (neither lasted long and no children) and this is my first marriage. We’ve been married almost 11 years and have 5 children and all of these videos I watched trying to get clarity were suggesting I had to divorce my husband or go to Hell. That did not seem right at all!! And I saw someone comment she was going to divorce her husband with whom she had three children because of these teachings! And I know many spirit filled believers who are in wonderful second (or third) marriages. Yesterday I was praying for God to show me the truth and this video came up in my subscription feed today so thank you again for a sound teaching on the subject.
What does the Bible says though? In my walk we can't always depend on RUclips. You have to study the one. Other words I'll be honest you're living in adultery. You can get married to someone that haven't never been married before since it'll be both of you all first. But your now husband isn't your husband and he must stay single or go back to his first wife
kid kid well since the time I posted this I have discovered/remembered that neither of my husbands ex wives were their first marriage. So I guess that means he was never married to them in Gods sight. So while it may all be a bit messy, he’s definitely my first husband and I guess I would be the only wife he was legitimately married too. So one thing I can not stress about. Although I still stand by this interpretation as I know many spirit filled and spirit led believers that are remarried.
@@japhillips08 great that makes y'all married since y'all both y'all first. Remember its an covernant marriage and God holds his end of the covernant which make's it non dissolvable. The body of the church are afraid to speak on this because it causes hurt. Anyway, keep y'all marriage holy and intact
@@japhillips08 you are among the blessed few that have escaped judgement. If he truly was only married to two divorced women prior then yes he was never in a covenant with them. So many have been taught this dangerously false gospel all of their lives and many have perished in this condition, which now, for them, there is no hope.
❤📖❤ This teaching regarding divorce is the most biblically based I have ever heard .. standing against false conclusions that have become a form of persecution of those who are already being persecuted in their marriage .. and can also cause confusion in minds of children into adult years regarding marriage and what parents really believe about following the Word of God .. because of some of the difficult decisions they have had to make regarding divorce and painful dealing with reactions of others who are not rightly dividing the Word of God. Thank you.♡
It took a lot of courage for you to tackle this most complex issue Mr. Fenn ... I can definitely see why you are called to an apostolic office. My wife and I met in a Word of Faith church back in 1982, got married a year later, worked in the church, had five children and eventually separated 16½ years later in 2000. She took me to court for divorce, but lost the case and never signed the divorce documents or presented them to me. In retrospect, it was a money thing ... she wanted me out of her life and a big check every month, heading down the road with my children, my home, and most of my possessions. After speaking with the children, the judge thought (distinctly) otherwise and ordered the exact opposite. It was a great lesson in trusting the Father and practicing faith for me. Since that time I have had several relationships, at least three of which were betrothals, but all of which God indicated a clear "NO!". I have stood on the very verse you wrapped up your message with, and frankly, God has not told me anything to the contrary. "If a man divorces his wife and marries another, he commits adultery or if a man is put away by his wife and marries another, he commits adultery." It always seemed quite clear to me ... and I have not as yet met ANY divorced and remarried "Christian" person who I have not considered to be lukewarm at best. That may seem harsh, but I think the whole divorce and remarry issue taints the soul of the individuals involved. Its just all a selfish focused circus. If you are genuinely believers, then you can and will work it out ... where two or more of you agree as touching anything they shall ask, it shall be done of my Father in heaven. Physical abuse, mental abuse, narcissism, hatred ... now that's a different story. If you are dealing with an individual that displays these attributes, the answer is simple, that person IS NOT born again. The HOLY Spirit does not abide in that individual. LEAVE !
You need to follow the KJV not this blind guide. Assuming it is a covenant marriage, you are bound to him till death. Romans 7:1-3, 1 Cor. 7:39...1 Cor. 7:15 DOES NOT allow divorce and re-marriage. Read the surrounding verses. Your not under bondage to him. You can separate but your still bound till death.
C.J. Texas I am very blessed and in agreement with what John is teaching. God does not want you in an abusive marriage. God never puts an institution (marriage) above people. Listen to Patrick Doyle. He is also on RUclips.
I've been abandoned by my husband. We didn't argue. He said marriage is not for him. We both can't afford a divorce, but when the time comes, do I wait for him to divorce me? Or can i divorce him? I just think of the financial liability. Should I just file for a legal separation and not divorce? I'm confused about how to go about this.
Pastor John, TY such good teaching. I’ve lived faithfully married until my wife decided she wanted to go in a different direction. After 24 years living holy producing fruit in ministry and with my children. felt like the church didn’t want me anymore great great Shame. I’ve been healing up in God is using me again greatly but this is an area of the church needs help with big time thank you
Did you remarry? If you spouse divorces you their is no shame and shame on the church but you have to remain holy unto God and if your spouse is living remain inmarried
Yes I agree this is so confusing John please get your facts right Paul was not referring to Due 24 in 1 Cor 7 : 10 he said not I but the Lord . The Pharisees quoted Deuteronomy 24 in Mathew but Jesus said at the beginning it was no so what God has joined together let not man ( Lawyers ) separate. Be careful what you teach people and give people freedom to do thing God does not permit. Jesus gave only one exception which was Fornication and not all the other that you have.mention and likewise the Apostle Paul, I urge you to do some research on the allowance for Divorce in your country, you will then see that it is only due to changes made by politicians that we are now allowed to Divorce . The problem we have now it that we are accepting the worlds teaching on the matter and not the simple teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ who was told the Pharisees that Duet 24 is no longer accepted Genesis is the standard we are to live as Christians
Including the part in Matthew 19 about Whosoever that divorces his wife, except it be for fornication, and marries another commits adultery, and he that marries her that is divorced commits adultery in part 2. He whizzes by that with a vague explanation. Somehow, since someone who looks with lust commits adultery in his heart, adultery is not supposed to mean a sex act? And that part about marrying someone and committing adultery is supposed to be about having some kind of adulterous motive? Having stripped adultery of it's meaning, he is not clear what he means by that. This is not even teaching what Jesus said. It is just teaching as if Jesus said something else. Jesus said. Whosoever divorces his wife except it be for fornication and marries another commits adultery. Whosoever means whosoever. He doesn't say it is adultery only if the motive is wrong or the motive for remarrying is wrong. Jesus repeatedly offers a more restrictive way of living in Matthew 5, including ont he issue of divorce-- more restrictive than Torah. I t is not contradictory to Torah to be more restrictive. God gave man moving things, or more literally creeping things to eat. But then he told Israel not to eat various creeping things. It's not a contradiction. He just gave a more restrictive law later. In Matthew 5, Jesus talked about their righteousness esceeding the scribes and Pharisees. This is a higher standard of holy living Christ called the people to. 'Way of escape' is in I Corinthians 10 about a way of escape from temptation, in a passage about not committing idolatry. The Bible does not say that divorce is a 'way of escape.' Hillel lived up until the time Jesus was a child. He and Shammai were leaders in Israel who debated marriage. The Talmud said Shammai allowed for divorce over the wife's infidelity, and that Hillel allowed it if she burnt the food. So the Pharisees ___might___ have been asking about this issue when they mentioned divorce for any cause. It had been a debate among their leaders and probably was on-going between the two houses or schools of thought named after these men. Shammai might have interpreted the 'uncleanness' in Deuteronomy 24 over which a woman could divorce to be infidelity. Sof if the Hillel and Shammai debate were in mind-- a bit of educated conjecture that many interpreters make-- then 'Jesus said. Whosoever divorces his wife except it be for fornication and marries another commits adultery. ' is far more 'extreme' than just saying a man may not divorce except for adultery. The disciples' reaction is that if this be the case of a man with his wife, it is better for a man not to marry.
Hi there. I am currently going through divorce, my wife is leaving me because she does not believe the husband should rule over the wife and the trigger was when I discovered she was hiding the fact that her dad was exploiting money out of her for his girlfriend. Our marriage was not perfect, there were faults on both sides. Saying that I am not a drinker, abuser and that sort. There was no adulterous affair or any external influence, primarily she wants a good life and someone who's pursuit is money. She is a believer, studying for her doctorate in Old Testament theology. All that said she is adamant she wants to separate. The things that I have learnt over this period boils down to the way I felt about her leaving, the pain that I went through, sleepless nights of tears is what He feels when I sin. That is the depth of my Fathers pain when I reject Him and his ways. A betrayal of love. I have wept more over my sin that anything else. Now when this kicked off I trolled the web, youtube, the pastor and my Christian brothers for counsel and obviously the Father and His word. The best and most comprehensive teaching that best expresses my understanding of His word can be found in David Pawson's teaching on divorce and remarriage. ruclips.net/video/Noqlkx4mUFQ/видео.html More on my situation and my choices are there and I will share should someone ask, but his video is the outline of my motivation. It's not grounded in opinion or feeling but rather a strict adherence to the Word of God. Essentially I'm single till she wishes my return. After watching the two here and then the three on once saved always saved I realized something. You have your walk and your calling and I dare not judge your position. I do however want to, without intending an offense share some consideration. I feel that your position just allows for too much lee-way, room to wiggle. I take it this way. Jacob I loved Esau I hated. When the two brothers came back together after many years Esau was favored by men, popular, influential, rich, powerful and pick a few more that shows how well it goes in the world. Jacob on the other hand was broken, lost his wealth a few times over, cheated by his in-law, exploited, harassed by the locals. In the end the Lord said MANY will say Lord-Lord in that day, MANY are called but few are chosen. Enter through the narrow gate, go by the narrow way. Narrow, both of them. FEW be there that find it. The way of our Lord is HARD, death to self, esteem others above you, all the things taught that go contrary to the human will. Jesus didn't want to die on the cross. He pleaded with our Father to take the cup from Him, but in the end said "Your will be done, not mine." Being a walker of the way must be hard, it must cost you everything, break you, crush your will that only His will remains. This is something that is so hard that only very few will make it. And no, I am not religious, but I dare not be frivolous. Look at it this way. Delivered out of Egypt, through the sea. That's the born again baptism. Wilderness time is training in the ways of the Lord. Paul took about 14 years. Now faith is what got the two through; Joshua and Caleb. And to possess the land they had to overcome the giants. To the Churches in Rev 2 & 3, those who overcame. Otherwise it was outer darkness where there was wailing and gnashing of teeth. One thing our Lord said would be a mark of the end times was deception, apostasy and a falling away.
@Tony Rowan Hi Tony. Thank you for your encouragement. I know I'm to let her go, she managed to get divorce forced upon me through the court. While we were separated she had intercourse with a stranger so she could "claim" her divorce biblicly, coincidentally the affair was facilitated by my twin sister. Now they're trying to sue me for money I don't have. I also backslid, though mine was more a hop, defiance. I paid for that and more still. through His grace and mercy I accept that serving the Lord is all that I have left, and the time is near. Be blessed brother.
@Tony Rowan HI there. So much more has happened since I wrote those words down. An update would be I am now divorced. I live in South Africa. My twin sister who lives in the Grand Caymen Islands flew my wife over in secret without me knowing where she committed adultery, and months later when she came round to collect the laundry I had done for her she admitted to it as now a legal claim to divorce. When it actually happened I felt it and instantly tried to contact her. When she finally came online she denied it vehemently, though I knew in my spirit she lied. Before the proceedings I had prayed and fasted and the Lord showed me visions, the last of which was I stood in the room while they did it. That tore me to absolute shreds. When I confronted her in the court with all the information, miraculous signs and wonders, the judge said she wants to hear no more spiritual stuff and after her declaration told me I was arrogant to possess such faith. I walked out in such rage and despair I went to my old ways instead of the Lord, feeling abandoned I got hi and looked at porn. At the service station I went to buy a pack of smokes which `I don't normally do I was mugged and stabbed. With an emergency tourniquet from plastic packets I rushed to hospital where I needed emergency transfusions as my BP was 70/30. I was desperately fearful that He was going to take me out of earth and send me to hell for my rebellion. I have survived and during all of this her family are suing me for loss of income, I am to be evicted and I have not had steady employment for more than a year now. In my country it is very hard to get work, most whites here run their own small to medium enterprises and as the law stands we have to be last selected. I have tools and skills and I can do pretty much anything. Seen as we have arrived in the very last of days where the Body can be pulled from the earth at any time now, clock says no later than 2023 as 2029 or there round abouts after the war an asteroid will hit. So I weep and lament over my sin and repent every day from the ways of the world and will just try keep my head above water. I never stop witnessing and I have opened my home to numerous strangers throughout this lockdown. Homeless people, ex cons, drug addicts. I have not been perfect by a long shot but I count my words now days. All that said, even the local pastor was for the divorce, he just had it in for me, and I confronted him about how can he not teach anything but the Word of God and he just smirked at me. I still want to tear his heart out with my bare hands but constantly remind the Lord that I have forgiven him and that the anger is something that still needs work. All that said, I have a few brothers and sisters that I am in contact with and I do pray with them from time to time. I only have my faith in the Lord Jesus to have mercy upon me as when ever I sin it's His name I am defiling. Thank you for your concern, it means a lot to me when I feel so alone. Be blessed brother.
@Tony Rowan No, not that I know of and I doubt they would be of any use. Only the Lord alone is my refuge and though I may slip and fall, I will always remain within His grace to overcome any of life's obstacles. I accept that this is my walk and in Him will I bare this, for the sake of the prize I wont surrender my faith in Jesus alone. I feel that I have passed reacting to the pain, it's a permanent companion that has given me a steely determination to drive deeper into His will and surrender the last vestiges of my will to Him. Be blessed.
Divorce is because of hard hearts- so, don’t divorce, ask God to soften your heart and do whatever it takes to humble yourself and learn what marriage is supposed to teach us- self sacrificial love and unending forgiveness. Separation in cases of abuse I’d say makes sense.
@@kerisagers3912 Hey. I agree, and I fought against it with everything I had, she was my all. But in the end she got what she wanted. She has walked away from the faith, told me the divorce is her single greatest regret, moved in with her current lover, got j@bbed(beasts mark), lost her dad, and a few other things not worth mentioning here. I started a ministry, after serving the locals, employing homeless men, housing, feeding and teaching them the oracles of God. A few successes and a few failures, but a heart of service at the core. I have long since forgiven her and them involved, made peace with the fact that I'm single till she dies or He calls me home. Which I know to be soon. Keep the faith, look up and prepare. Be blessed.
Wow that is the most complicated explanation i have heard todate. It's quite simple but many will welcome it because they want to marry again. The fact is once married you are together until death Romans 7. Divroce is not sin because in Gods eyes you are not divorced, just separated but if you enter another relationship then you are in sin because you are now committing adultery against your partner........to understand Matthew 5.32. You need to read your kjv bible for accurate translation then you will be introduced to the word fornication- sexual sins befor marriage. Adultery is sexual sins after you are married. Let's qualify this, firstly understand Jewish tradition- when engaged but not married they referred to each other as husband and wife. At this stage if they cheated they could get a divorce, this is the meaning of "except for fornication". Now read Matthew 1.18 to see this in action, the story of Joseph and marry. Notice , they were not married but called husband and wife, notice Joseph was going to divorce her. And there you go. Those who truly seek truth will find it, any explanation that supports divroce and remarriage while your partner is alive will trip on Roman's 7 - marriage u until death. That is clear and does not contradict the bible. Further more we should now be focusing on God evermore than before, we are living in the last days, the antichrist is here and is about to be revealed, the peace deal is soon to be signed taking us into the tribulation. Let's stay focus on Jesus rather than our desires.
Donaldson, thank you so much for posting this. I'm in the process of repenting from an adulterous remarriage. I really respect John but I just wish that we can go back to Bible basics Romans 7 verses 1 to 4 I would encourage John to read and if he could do a video on it that would be really great! We are coming at a time that the enemy is trying to use God's word and draw people from Biblical truth regarding permanence of Marriage.
Please please John, do a video on the following: Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
This is the Ramifications of not repenting from a Second Marriage if your 1st Spouse is still living: Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters,nor adulterers, noreffeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, norcovetous, nor drunkards, norrevilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
I know we are not to take marriage and divorce lightly but I agree with John that each situation is different ...I was married to a guy I met in Bible college...he had a really bad temper and pulled away from God during our marriage and then had an affair and was not in love with me anymore...we divorced...I had a few Christian friends that were very judgemental though I had a lot of supportive ones too...my self esteem was very low after the divorce but it’s amazing to me as to how God reached out to me after the divorce drawing me close to God again...I had an abscess wisdom tooth that had broken and was in terrible pain that travelled to all of my teeth...a Christian lady stopped by the home where I was living at the time with my mother and another Christian lady...before she left knowing nothing about my tooth...she went to pray for my mother who had a cold that day..The Lord showed her a picture or vision of a bad tooth and said the infection had affected all of the teeth which was true... she asked if my mother had the bad tooth but she said it was me...I didn’t have the money at the time to go to the dentist but God healed me then and there that day..I did not have any more toothaches from February to August at which time I had the tooth pulled...that is just one story of many I can share here about what God did in my life..God did not discard me due to a divorce ...the one Christian friend who had judged me was due to me being the one who filed for it....God has done many things in my life since then and I’m remarried now...even in the old testament if we look at the life of David ....he had Bathsheba’s husband killed and before that committed adultery with her...he suffered the consequences of losing their first born son however God forgave him when he repented and Jesus the messiah came through their lineage...many times man shows no grace or understanding or forgiveness but God does...it’s not to say we should take divorce lightly but with any sin or failure there is forgiveness and restoration in Christ Jesus!
How can you really love God and go against his commands, when he said if you love me need my commands. He use the gentiles to make Isreal into jealousy to return from their wicked ways. How can you be blessed and not be obedient. Most of the jets are in the apocraphy the books token out. Moses is not God and divorce was a certain type of people ( hard hearted) a hard hearted person is rebellious toward God's word
When I saw this video 2 days ago I asked myself how can a prophet whom Jesus visits declare such errors about divorces n remarrying? This morning I had the answer that even Judah fell n he was literally walking with Jesus on earth. On a brighter note the Lord may be making use of His servants/prophets for sounding the errors so that the prophets ( which are not infallible) n others could comment on the errors, learn the the truth, repent n be saved. themselves too. So glad comments are permitted on this video. Praise the Lord for He is good!!
As a believer you need to seek the Lord on what the meaning is of a covenant marriage, marriage is for life ,God hates Divorce that's in Malachi ch.2 verse 16 read the whole chapter pray and ask the Lord for revelation jesus speaks about this that was said in old time that's but he also said what did I say we are to follow the commandments of the Lord ,not are will but God's will be done read Matthew ch.5 verse, verse 31-32 a matter of fact read the whole chapter and seek the Lord jesus Christ 🙏
Hi Diane- He hates divorce, but as Jesus said, He gave the divorce commands due to the hardness of men's hearts. Paul would later tell the Corinthians in I Corinthians 7: 15-16 that if a person is married to an unbeliever and they want a divorce, let them do so. The priests in Malachi were doing many things - offering the weak animals, the old and sickly, refusing to tithe and give, and so forth. They also married and divorced at will - and that was the context of God's statement about Him hating divorce. I do too! You too! But for God of have created marriage He also had to make a way of escape and Jesus explained that way of escape - due to the hardness of men's hearts was the provision of divorce. A spouse does not have to stay when the covenant is broken due to hard heart, abuse, neglect, fornication, and so on. Marriage unfortunately for many, isn't for life, but that is the human condition. Sad, but true. And how cruel and sadistic would our loving heavenly Father be to force someone to stay in an abusive marriage? He isn't cruel - for with every command He gives, there is also a command allowing a way of escape. You've not considered that it is clear. An example is that Mary was found pregnant while betrothed. That was the death penalty. Period. Paragraph, over and out, she should have been executed by their law. But the text says, Joseph was a good man and didn't seek to press charges, but sought a quiet divorce. That way of escape in the law allowed a good man such as him to let the marriage end quietly with minimal hurt to both of them. Same with divorce - there is a way of escape, how perverted of a Father do you think He would be not to allow for human sin? John
@@CWOWI I'm so sorry you feel that way but the spirit that dwells in me is Definitely not the same one that dwells in you so I will end this message by standing whole the word of God because he calls us to Holiness first and to take up our cross and follow him forsaken all obedience is better than sacrifice read Romans ch.7 verse 1-3 1corinthians ch.7 verse 10 -11 and there's many more but I pray that the Lord will give you complete understanding of his word in jesus name.... 🙏
I’d say taking the higher road in a struggling marriage is to repent for a hard heart and seek Gods Spirit in softening it. Humble self before choosing the divorce option
@@CWOWI it’s a good thing we can be forgiven for our sins and we can repent for our hard heartedness . We each need to seek God and let Him teach us about our personal divorces or remarriages. Trust He will sort it out with us.
God may have divorced Israel, but Christ has not divorced His body, the Church! This should be the starting point, at least for born again husbands, Eph. 5:25!
I loved my wife. She became Christian and at 24 years of a sexless marriage, she decided SHE could do better and moved on to greener pastures. I lived with that guilt for years believing I'd lost my salvation.
Another awesome teaching!!! God bless you Pastor John. And if you would be so kind as to give us more volume; it's a bit straining to hear you. Many thanks.
Thank you John for more clarification! I wish I could tell people and they would choose to understand the harm they cause when they use scriptures out of context. There is no greater torment than thinking you might go to Hell. I know how tormented I've been before understanding to the best of my ability, the scriptures you are putting into context and explaining. People that love Jesus, truly love Him, want to live righteous, holy lives in Him, because of the love they have for Him. To continue to bring up the past mistakes in a person's life, that has repented and is remarried, is no different than any person's past mistakes being thrown in their face, again and again. Our Lord doesn't do that. Once a person has repented, He remembers their sin no more. Hallelujah!
Teaching that people can remarry after a divorce is attempting to bring people back under the subjection of the law. Jesus spoke against what was done under the law of Moses (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) in Deuteronomy 24:1-4. This teacher is preaching that God is blessing adultery without the understanding that the enemy has the ability to give those that serve him everything he tempted Jesus with. The scriptures say that rain falls on the just as well as the unjust. No divorce and remarriage in the church until Henry VIII started the Church of England.
We have people splitting up left and right, marriages being broken. The victim are the children. If you are telling people they can divorce over being displeased with their spouse--(are you actually siding with Hillel on this?) think of the damage that can cause. Even if Deuteronomy allowed that, then Jesus can make it more stringent. He had the authority to point people back to the original intention of marriage in the garden of Eden, which he did, and require more than the law of Moses. Jesus does this in Matthew 5 also. 31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. 33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: The law of Moses required a writing of divorcement. Jesus gave a more restrictive teaching. The law of Moses did not allow breaking oaths. Jesus did not even allow swearing oaths. This is the passage where his commentary on 'love your neighbor' is to 'love your enemy.' He presents a higher standard of righteousness than that of the scribes and Pharisees. Your treatment of adultery sure seems like sophistry to me. If a man looks at a woman in order to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already ____in his heart____. Literally, yes, adultery involves a sex act that violates the bonds of marriage. But this is adultery in the heart. Adultery can be a metaphor for idolatry in some cases, but literally, it is about sex. And the command in the ten commandments is about sexual behavior. Is there anything at all in this verse that could justify saying that what Jesus is really saying that if you get remarried out of a lustful desire, that's the problem? 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. That reinterpretation doesn't make sense, and does not match what Jesus actually said. And Christians haven't believed like this historically. It's new. Its a recent teaching that has emerged after marriage in our culture has broken down since the '60's with the combination of birth control, the sexual revolution, the feminist movement, and the courts allowing no-fault divorce. Divorce is everywhere, and the church teaching lowers to bar to allow it. As far as abuse goes, Paul wrote to women, let not the wife depart from her husband. But if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. He does not mention abuser per se, of course. If a woman's husband kills a man in a bar fight, and she files a no-fault divorce, that doesn't mean God allows her to marry someone else, or that it isn't adulterous. If a wife runs up credit card debt and he divorces her, he has a reason, but that wouldn't make his future remarriage non-adulterous. Maybe you should enquire of those who have divorced for irreconcilable differences who seem to have God's grace in their lives if they have repented. I have known people in whose lives God sure seemed to be working or who seemed to be used mightily of God who were shacking up or in secret adultery. The goodness of God leads us to repentence. Maybe we should also consider people who have had testimonies of answered prayers, who exercised spiritual gifts, who had some kind of sin in their life, it turns out, fornication, adultery. Judas, that guy who stole money and betrayed Jesus, was given authority to do miracles. Balaam loved the wages of unrighteousness, but he could hear God and prophesy. Caiaphas prophesied also. If God is merciful and longsuffering toward individuals, is that proof that their past or even current choices were not sinful. My concern is that people can hear this and say, "Okay, I feel better about this idea to get a divorce. We do not get along very well anyway." One the historical side of things the two influential leaders and legal scholars around the time of Jesus' birth were Hillel and Shammai. According to commentator's, Shammai's restriction of divorce to infidelity was his interpretatio of "because he hath found some uncleanness in her" in Deuteronomy 24. Hillel allowed for divorce for things as minor as burning a meal. Shammai was known as being more strict and more of a hothead. Hillel was known for being patient and gentle. But on this issue, Hillel's gentleness gave men more options but it was not very kind to women. Divorce was pretty much a one-way street since the man gave the certificate. The Pharisees may have been asking about this debate when they asked Jesus about the any cause divorce. Jesus' reply is more strict than Shammai's in the Talmud. Shammai said a man could only divorce for infidelity, but Jesus said that whoever divorced His wife and married another commits adultery and that he who marries her that is divorced commits adultery. Maybe Moses jimself was more lax with applying God's word than the original revealed intention, allowing divorce like Hillel did, though the intention was stricter. The Pharisees believed their traditions were oral Torah and they valued interpretations that were passed down. Jesus pointed His listeners back to the original intent at the creation of woman as the basis for His teaching and interpretation. HIs interpretation and declaration was so conservative that the disciples said if such was the case, it was better for a man not to marry. They may have believed they had a right to divorce. The interpretation at the end of this video departs from the words Christ actually said. Let us obey Jesus... ad the commands of the Lord through Paul in I Corinthians 7 also.
I think this is the most practical teaching on divorce and remarriage I have ever heard. It's not a perfect world and I see the wisdom of God and His grace in this teaching. Thank you.
What's so practical if a person being abused the bible justifies separation not divorce the old testament was a marriage covenant (jer.3:14) God separated from a wicked isreal people need to just master themselves the truth is any two people can get married and if they follow the law of .marriage all marriages would thrive
Dear brother John thank you for your message from our Heavenly Saviour I look forward to hearing your messages full of enthusiasm and hope love to you and all Christian brothers and sisters from Maria in Birmingham England 😘😊💒📯🇬🇧🇺🇸🌎🐕🐎🛄📣🔔🎆🎇😑 JESUS RUELS
Where can I find the video of you speaking about marriage, which the husband is the head of the home & the wife is the head of the house? I've watched so many videos recently that I can't recall which one spoke of that revelation during a visitation of yours. I'd like to share it with a friend. ❤
Hey John I got a question about the unbeliever. It says if the unbeliever wants to leave let them. What if an unbeliever leaves, then comes to Christ. Is that now believer not allowed to remarry? Sorry I know this is an older video. Blesd you.
It was not bad because I was aware of the 'culture'. The wife was serious and I told her that I was flattered but it is not in my belief system and she was fine. No they do not all feel that way, you are right! @@troopcom
Please pray for me!?! I had a dream (after asking GOD to show me something He wanted me to know) that my (narcissistic / jezebel spirit) husband tried to kill me! My daughter has had dreams of him trying to hurt me too and the latest one she told me this morning was that she dreamed last night that he set my face on fire and put me outside and she called the police!
You took a vow before the LORD-NOT until you get tired of interceding but until death you do part: that's for better or for worse; in sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer, forsaking all others, till death do you part. You are sinning against God with these kinds of thoughts. There's not a timeline with the LORD. He didn't give up on you when you lived in rebellion (before you were saved). The reality is that most spouses who leave do so because they THINK they have found "love." They have, instead, given themselves over to the lust of their flesh. One of the most important "jobs" you have in the Kingdom is to pray and intercede for your husband/wife--even if it takes 100 years! Beware that you enter NOT into the temptation of sin by thinking you can abandon your one-flesh spouse (loving him/her, praying for him/her). God has made you one flesh by His supernatural Hand. That will NEVER change while the two of you are on this earth. This is the most IMPORTANT calling on your life. ~Judith Brumbaugh
Hi Tatiana- what you state is the best case, but in every covenant there is an escape clause - from modern to ancient, there are always consequences and ramifications within a covenant, and a way of escape. It is to those exceptions Jesus spoke. And that escape is why God says He divorced Israel - for her adultery/fornication with other gods. That is so saturated in the OT and Jewish teachings it is really beyond argument. It's there chapter and verse in Jeremiah, Hosea, etc....God is divorced. So you have to reconciled that fact with your doctrine. Your points above appear to be emotional rather than reasoned, probably from life experience I would guess. But Paul flatly stated for instance, if an unbelieving spouse wants a divorce, to let them go. That is chapter and verse, no matter what your emotion based theology tells you. (I Corinthians 7: 12-16) That Jesus said divorce was given for the hardness of heart - that is chapter and verse and you cannot deny that. Jesus wasn't saying that was the best outcome, it isn't. But how perverted do you think God would be to make marriage a must be until death do you part, if a man or woman is being beaten to death, or not cared for and starving, or suffering the spouse to have all sorts of affairs without consequence. To give the gift of marriage He must also provide the way of escape. To give the gift of free will He must also provide the way out of sin. For everything good gift He has given, He has also made a solution for when things go wrong, and divorce as Jesus taught, is there for a way of escape due to hard hearts. Blessings, John
Wow bro you are so passionate which equals emotion. On divorce and remarriage and adultery you are standing on the wrong scripture and on the wrong side of sound biblical exegesis. You're amazing man. You gave every reason and excuse for people to get divorced and remarried and not just one time but multiple times. I'm sorry brother you're a teacher and you will be held to a higher standard especially teaching this. You really have no understanding of what adultery is. Your emotions carry you on waves. My friend you will never read this I'm sure and if you do you'll dismiss it out of hand. I've never heard of a weaker teaching on marriage and divorce using scripture. Hardness of heart that's what you spoke of several times. So the more you get divorced and remarried the harder your heart gets which those who are divorced or remarried can get their ears tickled by most pastors today especially your teaching on this subject. We have to accept marriage and divorced because it's so common and we have to accommodate it by twisting scriptures. It wasn't long ago when it wasn't that common.
God can forgive if there is repentance. But let’s be clear there will be severe consequences for the children. I have seen this and it is heartbreaking.
Hi Patti - I agree completely - my dad left our family when I was 11 1/2 and it was devastating to we 4 children, and like you, I've seen and see the effects as these children become adults. Not sure why you used the terminology of 'let's be clear about this' - as the subject was theological not on the effects of divorce on children, which is well documented. But I agree completely. John
I heard someone say that back then when someone was betrothed to another there was a contract put in place to be married. They weren’t married yet but they were betrothed for a certain amount of time. In that amount of time if they found any thing they didn’t like about the other person or they found out that the other person had relations with someone else they could end the contract and give a certificate of divorce, even though they didn’t consummate the marriage and there were no children involved yet. Fornication is sex before marriage. Could Paul be addressing the divorce issue to those who were betrothed to be married? Jesus said “What God joins together let no man put asunder.” Jesus also said that Moses allowed the certificate of divorce, not God What are your thoughts on this?
the Bible says, remain single, or be reconcilled.....in Mt 5....the idea if a man divorces his wife, except, for porneia, then he is responsible for the adultery of his wife....ergo you can not remarry...
I am a Christian,I got married to a Muslim,He said he is not interested in the marriage because,I am not a Muslim and his mother wants a Muslim woman for him, can I as a Christian remarry since he choose to go
yes! He is an unbeliever but make sure you marry a true born again man next time, don't be unequally yoked or you will have more serious problems and will draw you away from your walk with the Lord
Hello John my name is Travis. John i was wondering what your take on scripture about a man wearing his hair long. I did some videos on the manner and i have been recently rebuked for this. God bless
Hi Travis, thanks for writing - of course those who rebuked you probably used I Corinthians 11: 14 I'm guessing. But that is conflicted by Samson and the larger 'Nazirite vow' of Numbers 6: 1-21. When a man or woman made a vow to the Lord in the way described, they could not cut their hair during the days of their vow. And that was Samson - it wasn't the hair that made him strong, it was his vow to the Lord not to cut it. When the locks were cut, there went the time of consecration and his strength left him. But Paul said in the I Corinthians 11: 14 verse it is a shame for a man to have long hair. But what is long hair? Jesus has hair below his neck line for sure...that is long by our standards, but not long by first century Israel standards. 'Long' is an arbitrary value. In the end I think Romans 14 is the answer - that specifically is about Christians who choose to eat meat or just veggies, or choose one day over another to worship on, or to drink wine or not - Paul said let each be persuaded in his own mind, and that what each does is unto the Lord, so respect that. That leaves the question about long hair to why long hair? Your hair, your choice. Not my call, not anyone else's call - if you were married your wife would have say in it, but as an individual, it's your hair, your call. If someone doesn't like it, so what? What you do, you do unto the Lord, and He accepts you. So do I. And so should they. John
By teaching a falsehood, namely, that divorce and remarriage is Not adultery, which Jesus REPEATEDLY said it was, you do no one a favor. The adultery of remarriage is Not the commission of repeated adultery, since marriage sanctifies that marriage. And Paul says it’s better to marry than to burn. What it doesn’t do is break or dissolve the one flesh covenant God gives the two in their first marriage. As Leviticus says, the life of the flesh is in the blood. Thus, the one flesh ends when one of the two dies. Furthermore, while polygamy was both allowed under the Law and existed in the first century, the husband of one wife means that- adding that it means polygamy or bigamy undercuts what Paul actually says. He could’ve just as easily have said “a leader in the church shall not have more than one wife at a time.” But he didn’t, did he? Furthermore, Jesus said “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced... commits adultery,” Luke 16:18. It’s not symbolism. Everyone knew what He was talking about. Thus, letting those two declarations stand on their own is hardly taking them out of context. Does the adultery of remarriage send one to hell? No! For it’s better to marry than to burn and God honors the marriage contract itself; otherwise, He wouldn’t have had a problem with remarrying a first husband after divorce and remarriage. The condition for salvation remains- 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”-that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” But to suggest that a Christian who divorces a Christian and remarries another has what God graciously gave them in their first marriage is just false.
Can you please explain how God can be divorced to the Jews and will remarry them when it is said in the word that we should not remarry the ex spouse. I mean i know God can do whatever he chooses but isnt that contradictory?
I have enjoyed listening to your visitation stories John and some of your own teaching. However, some of the things you say about divorce and re-marriage has to be challenged. It is clear from the simple reading of scripture that divorce was allowed before the new birth was available because unregenerate man often had hard hearts, the love of God was not shed abroad in their hearts as you know. For born again Christians, who are able and expected to live to a much higher standard (like loving your enemies) the Lord does not allow for "hard heartedness" as a reason for divorce. He clearly states sexual unfaithfulness as a valid reason for divorce, and implicit is the freedom to re-marry (and not your odd reasoning about marrying for lust, come on John!). I agree that if a non believer does not want to stay with a believer then they can divorce and the believer can remarry in this instance too, neither cases involve hard heartedness. Paul writes that a man or woman should marry to avoid fornication so the Lord is understanding and is for remarriage in these instances. But in the case of two believers in marital problems, it is not a matter of separating and remaining single for a while only, to try and work things out. No, you are adding what is not there. Because they are both born again they must work it out or stay single. They have the love of God in them and should walk in love. For them to divorce and re-marry would be committing adultery. This can be a hard situation especially if one party will not make any effort to reconcile. It is up to the husband and wife to get before the Lord and pray the thing through, the Lord is there to help and will provide wisdom. To listen to you giving license to divorce for almost any reason like in Deuteronomy, I have to ask why God says adulterers and fornicators he will judge if, as according to your teaching, it is very difficult to commit adultery. Very unconvincing, adultery is sexual relations with someone you are not married to or divorcing and remarrying outside of the Lords clear parameters for divorce and remarriage.
Paul, this entire message confuses me. Some pastors say if you are divorced you should remain single otherwise you are in adultery. I recently became a Christian. Pastor Fenn has helped me greatly in coming to the Lord with his messages. My husband (32 years) who has claimed to be a believer for many years, is a closeted homosexual and in active adultery (his Christen church embraces his adulterous affair and his gf attends with him) When our divorce is over am I not free to marry?
@@klynn1009 Hi Klynn, i did post a reply but it doesn't appear to have worked so i will try again. Just sent this to test if it stays in place on the comments.
@@klynn1009 Ok, we don't read of exact cases in scripture that match your case, i.e. what happens when your husband is gay and having an affair with a man. So, like the Apostle Paul had to do sometimes when he had no commandment of the Lord, he gave his judgement based on the fact that he had the Holy Spirit within to guide him. Firstly, i doubt whether your husband is a true christian and if he was i would have expected the Lord to have judged him over his life style by now as judgement begins at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17). We see an example of this in scripture, a man sleeping with his step mother (1 Cor 5) being handed over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit would still be saved. Even if he was born again, homosexuality is an even more severe sin than adultery between a man and a woman because it is unnatural affection. So on that basis you have the right to divorce your husband for his sexual uncleanness and immorality (Matt 5:42 which includes adultery). You would , of course be free to re-marry. I presume you have initiated divorce proceedings and all i would say is that the next man you date and marry must be truly born again, who has the evidence of a change life in his conduct and who attends a good church on a regular basis. You will have problems in the future if not because as scripture states, be ye not unequally yoked (see 2 Cor 6:14). A believer with a non believer is likely to cause tension all through a relationship. I know, because i made that mistake! From what you said he claimed to be a christian years before you and has been attending a church, did you see evidence of a changed man at any time? My usual test of whether someone is born again is a) Does the bible mean anything to him, does he have any revelation of scripture? b)do they have a genuine love for other christians and feel part of the family of believers? c) do they have the witness in them that they are a child of God? In your husband case, with his lifestyle, i doubt whether it will be possible to tell but its a useful guide when seeking a new husband.
This guy is dangerous and is not rightly dividing the word but giving exegesis and his own interpretation. So many fallacies to this teaching but I will just point out the Deut 24 misunderstanding. Jer 3 puts this in perspective with the first two words of that chapter: ”they say” and this is the Lord speaking so He obviously isn't referring to Himself as ”they”. Also the next verse in Deut 24 instructs the man can't conduct business or go to war for a year after he is married. Is this followed as well? No! To say that the ”Holy Spirit” working in someones life is a sure sign they are being blessed and are righteous is really quite ignorant. What do you do.with many will say Lord, Lord and He says He never knew.them?
Hi JP - what I said is right, accurate, and confirmed so many times in the last 45 years of ministry - by Word and Spirit. But differences such as this shouldn't divide us, for if you can't understand basic chapter and verse and have to bend and twist things to fit what you believe, then I'm guessing we differ in a lot of areas, lol. But I hope you'll keep watching as I share a lot in areas I'd guess are not your 'hot' buttons. Blessings, John
SuperHouseChurch what if you're wrong then will you stand flippantly before the Lord? Romans 7:2,3 is clear, 1 Cor 710,11 is clear, Luke 16:18 is clear and many other scriptures that you laugh at. So, what if you are wrong and in essence you are making permissible (remarriage) what God forbids and you are forbidding what God commands (repentance from adultery). According to Ezek 33, their blood will be on your hands. Sorry if you think that's my ”pet” peeve hot button but I say the souls of men are worth it. How many divorced and remaried people have forgiven their covenant spouse from their heart as we are commanded? This is not about the ”letter” of the law, although it's crystal clear, this is about the ”spirit” of the law and love, mercy, grace, forgiveness and reconciliation! That is the heart of God! Why does it divide? Because if pastors would start teaching that there is one covenant until death and marriage is not a revolving door that we can come and go as we love ourselves and we aren't ”entitled” to divorce, there would be one less destroyed family tomorrow!
@@CWOWI The way you replied to J P, makes me wonder about you; it doesn't matter how long you've been a "minister", 45 yrs, 450 yrs. Have observed a lot of arrogance in too many pastors...
@@stpierreforjesusthesavior984 Do not confuse directness with arrogance, which I am not. The man called me dangerous, in a personal attack. I responded with facts, verse, directness - that is humility. We will all stand before the Lord, and we will all have things to be corrected, that is for sure. I just wish people could share ideas and concepts without attacking the person they disagree with, even above to label me. Sad that he did that, yet you call me arrogant... Blessings, John
I understand that you feel that you are being compassionate toward those who are in this situation, one that I was also in for 15 years, but you are not telling people what they need to hear when it comes to covenants with God. It is more than an "intention" or "idea", but covenants with God are permanent until death. Ok...answer this...does Jesus not say in Matthew 5:32 "That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery?" What is so difficult for most people to understand about this scripture? The woman in this case is not guilty of fornication during Jewish betrothal (which is the Mosaic Law that is clearly outlined in Deuteronomy 22:13-21), but is in danger of comitting adultery with another man because she is now divorced . Any pastor or teacher should know that Matthew was written to the Jews (Romans 1:16), and is the first of the synoptic gospels with over 20 specific characteristics that speak directly to a Jewish audience. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees that were preaching like this video and who believe that hardness of hearts that caused divorce and remarriage was ok. Jesus reaffirms the one-flesh covenant when he says to the Pharisees "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:4-8). More proof that this video is in error is by teaching from the Old Covenant Law regarding David when Jesus addresses the Pharisees in Luke 16 as seen here: "And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery" (Luke 16:14-18). Jesus clearly is telling the Pharisees that the Law and the prophets were until John the Baptist began preaching the coming of the kingdom. Preaching on divorce and remarriage from the Old Covenant is serious error because it denies the authority of Christ through the New Covenant. This video is mocking the scriptures and scoffing at those who are following the scriptures and not man's interpretation. To further prove this is teaching falsely is that it also takes 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 out of context in an attempt to apply it to divorce and remarriage when the entire chapter of 2 Corinthians 6 is about ministry from beginning to end. What is not being made clear is that Paul already dealt with the topic of divorce and remarriage in his first letter to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 7 and would not have repeated this in a chapter about ministry. We need to divide the word and allow it to affirm other scriptures but some either do not yet know that 2 Corinthians 6 is speaking specifically about ministry or deliberately ignore it in order to justify remarriage after a divorce. It should be simple but we have teachers like in this video sowing confusion and preaching to itchy ears. Another proof that some are teaching falsely is by telling you that 1 Corinthians 7:15 disolves a one-flesh covenant but is not telling you that Jesus is speaking through Paul when he says "not I but the Lord" when he commands the departing spouse to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" just four scriptures above in 1 Corinthians 7:11. This is literally attempting to teach that Paul overruled Christ and says that the brother or sister is no longer "bound", but that is not what the actual scripture says. Here is the actual scripture, "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace" (1 Corinthians 7:15). The phrase "not under bondage" means slavery to sin against God by force with an unbelieving spouse, not a release from the one-flesh covenant as this teaching suggests. The word bondage always refers to slavery not marriage. The Word is clear. Matthew is written to the Jews first and was speaking on the Jewish betrothal found in Deuteronomy 22:13-21, and clearly proves Luke 16:16 true in John 8:11 by forgiving the adulteress. By telling her to sin no more he is telling her to repent and return to her covenant husband just as God commanded Hosea to take back Gomer. The matter of being equally yoked in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 is regarding ministry, not marriage. This is easily proven by 1 Corinthians 7:12-14 where the unbeliever accepts that the believing spouse has found faith in God but wishes to remain and not hinder their beliefs. Many also falsely use the woman at the well as an excuse to remarry but this is easily explained by Matthew 22:23-28, where Jesus is being told of a similar situation where a widow marries seven brothers, each after the previous brother dies. This both legitimizes and reaffirms the one-flesh covenant as well as the nature of Jesus's acknowledgement of the five husbands of the Samaritan woman, as well as the illegitimacy of the 6th man. If the five husbands of the woman at the well were not covenant husbands then Jesus would not have acknowledged that they were. This video is also teaching falsely when it comes to God's divorce with Israel. The reason some find it difficult to understand Jeremiah 3:1 is that they make two mistakes while reading the parable of Israel as the divorced wife. Many error by only reading half the parable. Let’s first examine this parable more closely. Jeremiah’s purpose in using this parable is two-fold. First, the prophet wishes to vividly illustrate Israel’s spiritual disloyalty to its Creator. Second, and most important, unlike the twice-estranged wife whose original husband cannot return to her, the prophet appeals to the Jewish people to repent and proclaims that it is their sacred mandate to be restored as God’s chosen people. What is impossible with the forsaken woman is the destiny for the children of Israel. Let’s look at the entire verse in context: They say, “If a man divorces his wife, and she goes from him and becomes another man’s, may he return to her again?” Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; “Yet return to Me,” says the Lord (Jeremiah 3:1). The central feature of the prophet’s exhortation that you overlooked appears at the very end of the verse, ” ‘Yet return to Me’, says the Lord.” Jeremiah makes this plea five times throughout the chapter. The message conveyed by prophet clear: The mercy and compassion of the Almighty is far beyond the scope of man’s comprehension. God has made it clear that Israel has been unfaithful but still his wife. Teaching that God has remarried the church (which is the bride of Christ, not God), who is only betrothed to Christ until the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, is uncatigorically false and presents a major conflict in scripture. By doing this you present God as a polygamist in an attempt to void all scriptures that pertain to the one-flesh covenant. Please seek the scriptures for confirmation and answers before entering into or remaining in a situation such as marriage that is not easy to repent of. God bless.
@@ajlouviere202 I agree !! I was married almost 25 years when my now ex husband, left me for another woman...I've been single for 4 1/2 years, and I strongly disagree with the teaching in this video...as true followers, we know what the Bible says, it's clear..twisting scriptures, taking them out of context, is very harmful...it's like agreeing to homosexuality, it's ok as long as they are married...NO !! It's not ok !! Thank you so much for your comment ! God bless you
@@sheilamb thank you Sheila. I have to ask you how long have you known the truth? Most people I encounter like you have known less than 3 years. It's not a wonder why divorce and remarriage has become such an epidemic today with so much false teaching out there. Have seen many stories like yours of people standing. I encourage you to take a look at the playlist I created on this topic so you can be further encouraged.
@@ajlouviere202 when I was a child, my parents used to take us to church a couple times a month, nothing steady, no roots in a church, and the only time I ever heard about God was in children's church...my parents never talked about God at home, and when I was still very young, my parents just quit going altogether....it wasn't until I was about to turn 44, that I decided I hated the way I was living, and 10 days before I turned 44 I told my husband at the time, I wanted to re dedicate my life to Christ...he decided to leave on my birthday...we had plans to go to dinner that evening, but when I got home from work, he was gone and so was everything we owned...I was deeply depressed and had no idea why this happened, after about 2 and half years, my depression was gone, I started reading my Bible and seeking God...I never thought about dating anyone, until my sister told me i need to move on, find someone else and be happy... immediately when she said, I felt that if I even had the thought of dating, I was committing adultery !! She showed me scripture and said, it's ok, because he left you for another woman, but I felt it in my heart, if the thought of dating another man, entered my mind, I was committing adultery against my now ex husband !! I never thought about dating or getting "remarried" until my sister said that, so it's been a little over a year and a half since I leaned it...it was taught to me through conviction from the Holy Spirit...even though I've never dated or even thought about it, but because it was suggested to me, I felt convicted...I'll go check out the videos on your channel...
How “perverse do you think God is”? Are you kidding me? God gives two a covenant wherein He agrees to view the two as one; this, the “one flesh,” and it transcends their own righteousness, which includes, by the way, anything they do or say to each other. There’s beauty in that, as it stands as a physical representation of our spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ. If a wife is being abused, she can leave, as Paul says, but she is to remain unmarried- “10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.” Note that there is leniency given to the wife, which is not given to the husband. He is not to divorce his wife, period. She, however, is allowed to leave, only she is to remain unmarried. Stop playing fast and loose with God’s holy Word.
what do you say to same sex couples.....if you are living in sin....the sin, of adultery....nothing else marries....this is an issue that needs to be addressed...
You're calling my parameters (the Word of God) going against God??? Maybe it is you who better check in with James 3:1-- not many Christians should aspire to be labelled as teachers, as they will face stricter judgment due to the seriousness of their responsibility.
He's not marrying Israel. He's betrothed to the church which is made up of Christ's followers not those that remained Israel. God's bride is Israel, and Jesus's bride is the church. Paul is speaking to those that were married to the Law (of Moses) could now be married to Christ who was risen. Those that remained in the Law died in the Law. The same goes for those who divorce and remarry by the Law of Moses which is Deuteronomy. Jesus makes it very clear that the Law and the prophets were until John the Baptist began preaching the coming of the kingdom in Luke 16:16. I hope that this helps to clear any confusion.
@@Cenepk101 the Law did not fail it was fulfilled by Christ. Jesus was reiterating that the Law of Moses as well as the prophecies concerning him were now fulfilled. That is why Romans 7:4-6 says, "4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." Jesus's first public act during his ministry was to proclaim the kingdom and fulfilling of the scriptures as seen here in Luke 4: 16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.22And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son? 23And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.24And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.25But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.28And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.30But he passing through the midst of them went his way. (Luke 4:16-30)
Wrong! This guy and teaching will lead you to hell! Not one time did you mention any of Paul's teachings on divorce and remarriage. JESUS said "whosoever divorces their spouse and marry another commits adultery "...period! We are commanded NOT to divorce. It's not a request it's a command! We are to remain single or divorced or reconciled to spouse. That's it! Every 2nd marriage is always adultry. God calls every 2nd marriage adultry! The world calls it legalized marriage, God calls it legalized adultry! No adulterer will enter the kingdom of heaven!
Wow I am shocked that you are so wrong. On this topic have you seen the destruction that has come upon the generations line’s of those who are divorced? No sir you are teaching wrong. So wrong
True Christian's dont get divorced! They wait on God for healing and wait for God to work during separation. Gods plan is always reconciliation! Wait on Him to heal ! Quit jumping in to other relationships. Its him we need to seek out not another woman or man ! Your deceived if you beleive you are in a 2nd marriage and call yourself a Christian! Your a liar!
For the same-sex, marriages does not include. People who have the same-sex marriage are not save They need to repent of their sins and separate God does not even acknowledge that as marriage
Hi Daion - your logic is flawed. You have spoken or written things and had people take them out of context, having to tell them 'that's not what I meant' when they do so. If you understand that, then why do you make such a statement above? God's Word in the OT was purposely vague - like the divorce law of Dt 24: 1-4, so that Israel might walk with God and get His mind for each situation. Instead of walking with Him, they did what natural man does, create rules for every situation to try to adress every single possible issue. It is the same today - 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, mind, and love your neighbor as yourself' is vague - you and I must walk with Him to understand how those instructions need to be applied in any given situation. And that brings me around to your poorly thought out statement above - looking at context of something written 2,000 years ago or 3500 years ago is a must - if things you say or write are taken out of context within hours or days of when you spoke or wrote them, and demand the person restating what you said or wrote put the words back in context, how much more somethings so ancient and from different cultures? Context is everything. John
SuperHouseChurch thank you for answering me back. Jesus said and I quote God allowed Moses( which means to ME that God himself would never say that but he trusted Moses judgement-showing a glimpse of mercy by man to man,because God is holy, and the law was not merciful or gracious under no circumstance)to tell them because of their hard hearts he would allow for a bill of divorcement to be given. If you understand Hebrew “engagement period “as Americans call it then you know that they considered the couple married. When they broke the vow by fornicating(two unmarried people) then as stated with Joseph he thought to put away Mary because she was pregnant for “someone “else because he knew she and Joseph hadn’t fornicated during that bethrotal period (excuse spelling). So Jesus says that “except for fornication”, ( this is between two commas) in English reading a statement between two commas can be taken out of a sentence because it was added to give emphasis to a thought before and after each comma( correct me if I’m wrong, please) and then reread the context. The bill of divorcement was protection from stoning to death as in the case of actual adultery, (two people bounded by the law) having sex with someone other than their spouse. I said that we need another bible for today because you said that we need to consider the time that the context was written when you were talking about 2 Timothy and the qualifications of an overseer. If you say that then consider when Malachi was written in the context of tithing. All churches quote this when it comes to giving money to the church so how does that justify giving tithes today. So you threw me off when you said to look at context (and I have) if the context of the Bible is used as justification of why it doesn’t apply to us today in the context of our time period then we should stop using the Bible as we know it for the context of today’s way of living. The disciples knew exactly what Jesus meant and that is why they said that then no one should marry because they understood that they they had a better chance of not being stoned to death for adultery so they rather commit fornication and still have a chance to live. That is why 1 Corinthians talks about fleeing fornication emphatically because we have sexual desires and want to fulfill them but without the consequences of the law of being bound by the law when you get married. From the beginning this was not so. Two are one flesh and as long as the first is still alive they are bound by the law until one dies and the law does not hold you accountable after death. We say till death do us part. WHY!!!!! We don’t really mean this obviously. Do we really want to live for the living god? I’m not so sure when it comes to marriage and the hard heartedness sets in to justify getting a divorce to that we can find a new person to gratify our own sexual lusts. I hope you see my point of view deeper now than my first statement. Please share further. May the lord bless you and keep you today and always.
I urge you brother to restudy the scriptures on this. You are leading many astray and giving easy justification for many to divorce. If you think what Jesus says affirms the laws in Deuteronomy, you are just plain wrong.
beautifully said. my husband and I split for a year plus I was in adultery during that time and was very hurt by his actions but I took no accountability until God softened my heart brought me back to his purpose and restored my marriage. my husband have never been kinder. we married at 19 together since I was 15. we both had a lot of growing up to do in different areas. we were toxic. the Lord restored him and I ten fold. for turning away from our sins we both were in and through forgiveness and repentance, he renewed us. our cups are running over with his blessings years later. thank Jesus for his mercy and grace. I'd be no where without it. I've learned about God's heart more through my failures and HIS perfect love- not mine. it brought me to repentance. please keep my family in your prayers. you are a true man of God. thank you for talking about what many don't want to discuss. I bless you and your family greatly in Jesus mighty name brother.
Thank you!!! I saw a message from someone saying you were living in an adulterous relationship if you had either been married before. Basically saying there was no hope for us unless we repented and LEFT the relationship.
My husband has been married twice before (neither lasted long and no children) and this is my first marriage. We’ve been married almost 11 years and have 5 children and all of these videos I watched trying to get clarity were suggesting I had to divorce my husband or go to Hell. That did not seem right at all!! And I saw someone comment she was going to divorce her husband with whom she had three children because of these teachings!
And I know many spirit filled believers who are in wonderful second (or third) marriages. Yesterday I was praying for God to show me the truth and this video came up in my subscription feed today so thank you again for a sound teaching on the subject.
What does the Bible says though? In my walk we can't always depend on RUclips. You have to study the one. Other words I'll be honest you're living in adultery. You can get married to someone that haven't never been married before since it'll be both of you all first. But your now husband isn't your husband and he must stay single or go back to his first wife
kid kid well since the time I posted this I have discovered/remembered that neither of my husbands ex wives were their first marriage. So I guess that means he was never married to them in Gods sight. So while it may all be a bit messy, he’s definitely my first husband and I guess I would be the only wife he was legitimately married too. So one thing I can not stress about. Although I still stand by this interpretation as I know many spirit filled and spirit led believers that are remarried.
@@japhillips08 great that makes y'all married since y'all both y'all first. Remember its an covernant marriage and God holds his end of the covernant which make's it non dissolvable. The body of the church are afraid to speak on this because it causes hurt. Anyway, keep y'all marriage holy and intact
@@japhillips08 some can be spirit filled if they don't know the law. But once they know of it and continues to reject it the spirit leaves them.
@@japhillips08 you are among the blessed few that have escaped judgement. If he truly was only married to two divorced women prior then yes he was never in a covenant with them. So many have been taught this dangerously false gospel all of their lives and many have perished in this condition, which now, for them, there is no hope.
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This teaching regarding divorce is the most biblically based I have ever heard .. standing against false conclusions that have become a form of persecution of those who are already being persecuted in their marriage .. and can also cause confusion in minds of children into adult years regarding marriage and what parents really believe about following the Word of God .. because of some of the difficult decisions they have had to make regarding divorce and painful dealing with reactions of others who are not rightly dividing the Word of God.
Thank you.♡
It took a lot of courage for you to tackle this most complex issue Mr. Fenn ... I can definitely see why you are called to an apostolic office. My wife and I met in a Word of Faith church back in 1982, got married a year later, worked in the church, had five children and eventually separated 16½ years later in 2000. She took me to court for divorce, but lost the case and never signed the divorce documents or presented them to me. In retrospect, it was a money thing ... she wanted me out of her life and a big check every month, heading down the road with my children, my home, and most of my possessions. After speaking with the children, the judge thought (distinctly) otherwise and ordered the exact opposite. It was a great lesson in trusting the Father and practicing faith for me. Since that time I have had several relationships, at least three of which were betrothals, but all of which God indicated a clear "NO!". I have stood on the very verse you wrapped up your message with, and frankly, God has not told me anything to the contrary. "If a man divorces his wife and marries another, he commits adultery or if a man is put away by his wife and marries another, he commits adultery." It always seemed quite clear to me ... and I have not as yet met ANY divorced and remarried "Christian" person who I have not considered to be lukewarm at best. That may seem harsh, but I think the whole divorce and remarry issue taints the soul of the individuals involved. Its just all a selfish focused circus. If you are genuinely believers, then you can and will work it out ... where two or more of you agree as touching anything they shall ask, it shall be done of my Father in heaven. Physical abuse, mental abuse, narcissism, hatred ... now that's a different story. If you are dealing with an individual that displays these attributes, the answer is simple, that person IS NOT born again. The HOLY Spirit does not abide in that individual. LEAVE !
Your teaching here was a blessing to me, as I am married to an abusive alcoholic and I needed to hear this and get clarification.
You need to follow the KJV not this blind guide. Assuming it is a covenant marriage, you are bound to him till death. Romans 7:1-3, 1 Cor. 7:39...1 Cor. 7:15 DOES NOT allow divorce and re-marriage. Read the surrounding verses. Your not under bondage to him. You can separate but your still bound till death.
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I am very blessed and in agreement with what John is teaching. God does not want you in an abusive marriage. God never puts an institution (marriage) above people. Listen to Patrick Doyle. He is also on RUclips.
sandy Michel me too!!
I've been abandoned by my husband. We didn't argue. He said marriage is not for him. We both can't afford a divorce, but when the time comes, do I wait for him to divorce me? Or can i divorce him? I just think of the financial liability. Should I just file for a legal separation and not divorce?
I'm confused about how to go about this.
Pastor John, TY such good teaching. I’ve lived faithfully married until my wife decided she wanted to go in a different direction. After 24 years living holy producing fruit in ministry and with my children. felt like the church didn’t want me anymore great great Shame. I’ve been healing up in God is using me again greatly but this is an area of the church needs help with big time thank you
Did you remarry? If you spouse divorces you their is no shame and shame on the church but you have to remain holy unto God and if your spouse is living remain inmarried
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@@Interlockvision what about Matthew 5.32
This is one of the worst teaching on this issue I have ever seen. Almost everything he said is in error.
bksusmc - How are you going now? Have you remarried? May God bless you and guide your path.
If two people can't live together he gave the provision of separation
Pastor John, I urge you to please please explain ALL the scriptures that warn against Remarriage 😢
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Yes I agree this is so confusing John please get your facts right Paul was not referring to Due 24 in 1 Cor 7 : 10 he said not I but the Lord . The Pharisees quoted Deuteronomy 24 in Mathew but Jesus said at the beginning it was no so what God has joined together let not man ( Lawyers ) separate. Be careful what you teach people and give people freedom to do thing God does not permit. Jesus gave only one exception which was Fornication and not all the other that you have.mention and likewise the Apostle Paul,
I urge you to do some research on the allowance for Divorce in your country, you will then see that it is only due to changes made by politicians that we are now allowed to Divorce . The problem we have now it that we are accepting the worlds teaching on the matter and not the simple teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ who was told the Pharisees that Duet 24 is no longer accepted Genesis is the standard we are to live as Christians
Including the part in Matthew 19 about Whosoever that divorces his wife, except it be for fornication, and marries another commits adultery, and he that marries her that is divorced commits adultery in part 2. He whizzes by that with a vague explanation. Somehow, since someone who looks with lust commits adultery in his heart, adultery is not supposed to mean a sex act? And that part about marrying someone and committing adultery is supposed to be about having some kind of adulterous motive? Having stripped adultery of it's meaning, he is not clear what he means by that. This is not even teaching what Jesus said. It is just teaching as if Jesus said something else.
Jesus said. Whosoever divorces his wife except it be for fornication and marries another commits adultery. Whosoever means whosoever. He doesn't say it is adultery only if the motive is wrong or the motive for remarrying is wrong.
Jesus repeatedly offers a more restrictive way of living in Matthew 5, including ont he issue of divorce-- more restrictive than Torah. I t is not contradictory to Torah to be more restrictive.
God gave man moving things, or more literally creeping things to eat. But then he told Israel not to eat various creeping things. It's not a contradiction. He just gave a more restrictive law later. In Matthew 5, Jesus talked about their righteousness esceeding the scribes and Pharisees. This is a higher standard of holy living Christ called the people to.
'Way of escape' is in I Corinthians 10 about a way of escape from temptation, in a passage about not committing idolatry. The Bible does not say that divorce is a 'way of escape.'
Hillel lived up until the time Jesus was a child. He and Shammai were leaders in Israel who debated marriage. The Talmud said Shammai allowed for divorce over the wife's infidelity, and that Hillel allowed it if she burnt the food. So the Pharisees ___might___ have been asking about this issue when they mentioned divorce for any cause. It had been a debate among their leaders and probably was on-going between the two houses or schools of thought named after these men. Shammai might have interpreted the 'uncleanness' in Deuteronomy 24 over which a woman could divorce to be infidelity.
Sof if the Hillel and Shammai debate were in mind-- a bit of educated conjecture that many interpreters make-- then 'Jesus said. Whosoever divorces his wife except it be for fornication and marries another commits adultery. ' is far more 'extreme' than just saying a man may not divorce except for adultery. The disciples' reaction is that if this be the case of a man with his wife, it is better for a man not to marry.
Then what your saying divorce is not a sin and adultery is not a sin. Jesus words are meaningless. Make scripture confirm to your life.
Hi there.
I am currently going through divorce, my wife is leaving me because she does not believe the husband should rule over the wife and the trigger was when I discovered she was hiding the fact that her dad was exploiting money out of her for his girlfriend.
Our marriage was not perfect, there were faults on both sides. Saying that I am not a drinker, abuser and that sort. There was no adulterous affair or any external influence, primarily she wants a good life and someone who's pursuit is money. She is a believer, studying for her doctorate in Old Testament theology. All that said she is adamant she wants to separate.
The things that I have learnt over this period boils down to the way I felt about her leaving, the pain that I went through, sleepless nights of tears is what He feels when I sin. That is the depth of my Fathers pain when I reject Him and his ways. A betrayal of love. I have wept more over my sin that anything else.
Now when this kicked off I trolled the web, youtube, the pastor and my Christian brothers for counsel and obviously the Father and His word. The best and most comprehensive teaching that best expresses my understanding of His word can be found in David Pawson's teaching on divorce and remarriage.
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More on my situation and my choices are there and I will share should someone ask, but his video is the outline of my motivation. It's not grounded in opinion or feeling but rather a strict adherence to the Word of God. Essentially I'm single till she wishes my return.
After watching the two here and then the three on once saved always saved I realized something. You have your walk and your calling and I dare not judge your position. I do however want to, without intending an offense share some consideration.
I feel that your position just allows for too much lee-way, room to wiggle. I take it this way. Jacob I loved Esau I hated. When the two brothers came back together after many years Esau was favored by men, popular, influential, rich, powerful and pick a few more that shows how well it goes in the world. Jacob on the other hand was broken, lost his wealth a few times over, cheated by his in-law, exploited, harassed by the locals.
In the end the Lord said MANY will say Lord-Lord in that day, MANY are called but few are chosen. Enter through the narrow gate, go by the narrow way. Narrow, both of them. FEW be there that find it. The way of our Lord is HARD, death to self, esteem others above you, all the things taught that go contrary to the human will. Jesus didn't want to die on the cross. He pleaded with our Father to take the cup from Him, but in the end said "Your will be done, not mine." Being a walker of the way must be hard, it must cost you everything, break you, crush your will that only His will remains. This is something that is so hard that only very few will make it. And no, I am not religious, but I dare not be frivolous. Look at it this way. Delivered out of Egypt, through the sea. That's the born again baptism. Wilderness time is training in the ways of the Lord. Paul took about 14 years. Now faith is what got the two through; Joshua and Caleb. And to possess the land they had to overcome the giants. To the Churches in Rev 2 & 3, those who overcame. Otherwise it was outer darkness where there was wailing and gnashing of teeth.
One thing our Lord said would be a mark of the end times was deception, apostasy and a falling away.
@Tony Rowan Hi Tony.
Thank you for your encouragement. I know I'm to let her go, she managed to get divorce forced upon me through the court. While we were separated she had intercourse with a stranger so she could "claim" her divorce biblicly, coincidentally the affair was facilitated by my twin sister. Now they're trying to sue me for money I don't have.
I also backslid, though mine was more a hop, defiance. I paid for that and more still.
through His grace and mercy I accept that serving the Lord is all that I have left, and the time is near.
Be blessed brother.
@Tony Rowan HI there.
So much more has happened since I wrote those words down.
An update would be I am now divorced. I live in South Africa. My twin sister who lives in the Grand Caymen Islands flew my wife over in secret without me knowing where she committed adultery, and months later when she came round to collect the laundry I had done for her she admitted to it as now a legal claim to divorce. When it actually happened I felt it and instantly tried to contact her. When she finally came online she denied it vehemently, though I knew in my spirit she lied.
Before the proceedings I had prayed and fasted and the Lord showed me visions, the last of which was I stood in the room while they did it. That tore me to absolute shreds. When I confronted her in the court with all the information, miraculous signs and wonders, the judge said she wants to hear no more spiritual stuff and after her declaration told me I was arrogant to possess such faith.
I walked out in such rage and despair I went to my old ways instead of the Lord, feeling abandoned I got hi and looked at porn. At the service station I went to buy a pack of smokes which `I don't normally do I was mugged and stabbed. With an emergency tourniquet from plastic packets I rushed to hospital where I needed emergency transfusions as my BP was 70/30. I was desperately fearful that He was going to take me out of earth and send me to hell for my rebellion.
I have survived and during all of this her family are suing me for loss of income, I am to be evicted and I have not had steady employment for more than a year now. In my country it is very hard to get work, most whites here run their own small to medium enterprises and as the law stands we have to be last selected. I have tools and skills and I can do pretty much anything.
Seen as we have arrived in the very last of days where the Body can be pulled from the earth at any time now, clock says no later than 2023 as 2029 or there round abouts after the war an asteroid will hit.
So I weep and lament over my sin and repent every day from the ways of the world and will just try keep my head above water. I never stop witnessing and I have opened my home to numerous strangers throughout this lockdown. Homeless people, ex cons, drug addicts. I have not been perfect by a long shot but I count my words now days.
All that said, even the local pastor was for the divorce, he just had it in for me, and I confronted him about how can he not teach anything but the Word of God and he just smirked at me. I still want to tear his heart out with my bare hands but constantly remind the Lord that I have forgiven him and that the anger is something that still needs work.
All that said, I have a few brothers and sisters that I am in contact with and I do pray with them from time to time.
I only have my faith in the Lord Jesus to have mercy upon me as when ever I sin it's His name I am defiling.
Thank you for your concern, it means a lot to me when I feel so alone.
Be blessed brother.
@Tony Rowan No, not that I know of and I doubt they would be of any use. Only the Lord alone is my refuge and though I may slip and fall, I will always remain within His grace to overcome any of life's obstacles.
I accept that this is my walk and in Him will I bare this, for the sake of the prize I wont surrender my faith in Jesus alone.
I feel that I have passed reacting to the pain, it's a permanent companion that has given me a steely determination to drive deeper into His will and surrender the last vestiges of my will to Him.
Be blessed.
Divorce is because of hard hearts- so, don’t divorce, ask God to soften your heart and do whatever it takes to humble yourself and learn what marriage is supposed to teach us- self sacrificial love and unending forgiveness. Separation in cases of abuse I’d say makes sense.
@@kerisagers3912 Hey.
I agree, and I fought against it with everything I had, she was my all. But in the end she got what she wanted.
She has walked away from the faith, told me the divorce is her single greatest regret, moved in with her current lover, got j@bbed(beasts mark), lost her dad, and a few other things not worth mentioning here.
I started a ministry, after serving the locals, employing homeless men, housing, feeding and teaching them the oracles of God. A few successes and a few failures, but a heart of service at the core.
I have long since forgiven her and them involved, made peace with the fact that I'm single till she dies or He calls me home. Which I know to be soon.
Keep the faith, look up and prepare. Be blessed.
Wow that is the most complicated explanation i have heard todate. It's quite simple but many will welcome it because they want to marry again. The fact is once married you are together until death Romans 7. Divroce is not sin because in Gods eyes you are not divorced, just separated but if you enter another relationship then you are in sin because you are now committing adultery against your partner........to understand Matthew 5.32. You need to read your kjv bible for accurate translation then you will be introduced to the word fornication- sexual sins befor marriage. Adultery is sexual sins after you are married. Let's qualify this, firstly understand Jewish tradition- when engaged but not married they referred to each other as husband and wife. At this stage if they cheated they could get a divorce, this is the meaning of "except for fornication". Now read Matthew 1.18 to see this in action, the story of Joseph and marry. Notice , they were not married but called husband and wife, notice Joseph was going to divorce her. And there you go. Those who truly seek truth will find it, any explanation that supports divroce and remarriage while your partner is alive will trip on Roman's 7 - marriage u until death. That is clear and does not contradict the bible. Further more we should now be focusing on God evermore than before, we are living in the last days, the antichrist is here and is about to be revealed, the peace deal is soon to be signed taking us into the tribulation. Let's stay focus on Jesus rather than our desires.
Donaldson, thank you so much for posting this. I'm in the process of repenting from an adulterous remarriage. I really respect John but I just wish that we can go back to Bible basics Romans 7 verses 1 to 4 I would encourage John to read and if he could do a video on it that would be really great!
We are coming at a time that the enemy is trying to use God's word and draw people from Biblical truth regarding permanence of Marriage.
Please please John, do a video on the following:
Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
This is the Ramifications of not repenting from a Second Marriage if your 1st Spouse is still living:
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters,nor adulterers, noreffeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, norcovetous, nor drunkards, norrevilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
@@HopeLives2012 Karen, this is not an easy thing for many in this situation. I deeply admire your humbleness.
@@Godisnotdead1111 Thank you but it's not easy. I do know NOTHING on this Earth is worth Hell.
Thanks for this explanation.
Thank you so much for making it clear n help me understand it which I have struggled with it so long with it.
THANK YOU PASTOR PAUL, FOR THIS DIFICULT SUBJECT, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR EXPLAING. JESUS'N BARBIE
I know we are not to take marriage and divorce lightly but I agree with John that each situation is different ...I was married to a guy I met in Bible college...he had a really bad temper and pulled away from God during our marriage and then had an affair and was not in love with me anymore...we divorced...I had a few Christian friends that were very judgemental though I had a lot of supportive ones too...my self esteem was very low after the divorce but it’s amazing to me as to how God reached out to me after the divorce drawing me close to God again...I had an abscess wisdom tooth that had broken and was in terrible pain that travelled to all of my teeth...a Christian lady stopped by the home where I was living at the time with my mother and another Christian lady...before she left knowing nothing about my tooth...she went to pray for my mother who had a cold that day..The Lord showed her a picture or vision of a bad tooth and said the infection had affected all of the teeth which was true... she asked if my mother had the bad tooth but she said it was me...I didn’t have the money at the time to go to the dentist but God healed me then and there that day..I did not have any more toothaches from February to August at which time I had the tooth pulled...that is just one story of many I can share here about what God did in my life..God did not discard me due to a divorce ...the one Christian friend who had judged me was due to me being the one who filed for it....God has done many things in my life since then and I’m remarried now...even in the old testament if we look at the life of David ....he had Bathsheba’s husband killed and before that committed adultery with her...he suffered the consequences of losing their first born son however God forgave him when he repented and Jesus the messiah came through their lineage...many times man shows no grace or understanding or forgiveness but God does...it’s not to say we should take divorce lightly but with any sin or failure there is forgiveness and restoration in Christ Jesus!
How can you really love God and go against his commands, when he said if you love me need my commands. He use the gentiles to make Isreal into jealousy to return from their wicked ways. How can you be blessed and not be obedient. Most of the jets are in the apocraphy the books token out. Moses is not God and divorce was a certain type of people ( hard hearted) a hard hearted person is rebellious toward God's word
When I saw this video 2 days ago I asked myself how can a prophet whom Jesus visits declare such errors about divorces n remarrying? This morning I had the answer that even Judah fell n he was literally walking with Jesus on earth.
On a brighter note the Lord may be making use of His servants/prophets for sounding the errors so that the prophets ( which are not infallible) n others could comment on the errors, learn the the truth, repent n be saved. themselves too. So glad comments are permitted on this video. Praise the Lord for He is good!!
I was actually wondering about this for a specific reason...
As a believer you need to seek the Lord on what the meaning is of a covenant marriage, marriage is for life ,God hates Divorce that's in Malachi ch.2 verse 16 read the whole chapter pray and ask the Lord for revelation jesus speaks about this that was said in old time that's but he also said what did I say we are to follow the commandments of the Lord ,not are will but God's will be done read Matthew ch.5 verse, verse 31-32 a matter of fact read the whole chapter and seek the Lord jesus Christ 🙏
Hi Diane- He hates divorce, but as Jesus said, He gave the divorce commands due to the hardness of men's hearts. Paul would later tell the Corinthians in I Corinthians 7: 15-16 that if a person is married to an unbeliever and they want a divorce, let them do so.
The priests in Malachi were doing many things - offering the weak animals, the old and sickly, refusing to tithe and give, and so forth. They also married and divorced at will - and that was the context of God's statement about Him hating divorce. I do too! You too!
But for God of have created marriage He also had to make a way of escape and Jesus explained that way of escape - due to the hardness of men's hearts was the provision of divorce. A spouse does not have to stay when the covenant is broken due to hard heart, abuse, neglect, fornication, and so on.
Marriage unfortunately for many, isn't for life, but that is the human condition. Sad, but true. And how cruel and sadistic would our loving heavenly Father be to force someone to stay in an abusive marriage? He isn't cruel - for with every command He gives, there is also a command allowing a way of escape. You've not considered that it is clear.
An example is that Mary was found pregnant while betrothed. That was the death penalty. Period. Paragraph, over and out, she should have been executed by their law.
But the text says, Joseph was a good man and didn't seek to press charges, but sought a quiet divorce. That way of escape in the law allowed a good man such as him to let the marriage end quietly with minimal hurt to both of them.
Same with divorce - there is a way of escape, how perverted of a Father do you think He would be not to allow for human sin? John
@@CWOWI I'm so sorry you feel that way but the spirit that dwells in me is Definitely not the same one that dwells in you so I will end this message by standing whole the word of God because he calls us to Holiness first and to take up our cross and follow him forsaken all obedience is better than sacrifice read Romans ch.7 verse 1-3 1corinthians ch.7 verse 10 -11 and there's many more but I pray that the Lord will give you complete understanding of his word in jesus name.... 🙏
I’d say taking the higher road in a struggling marriage is to repent for a hard heart and seek Gods Spirit in softening it. Humble self before choosing the divorce option
@@CWOWI it’s a good thing we can be forgiven for our sins and we can repent for our hard heartedness . We each need to seek God and let Him teach us about our personal divorces or remarriages. Trust He will sort it out with us.
God may have divorced Israel, but Christ has not divorced His body, the Church! This should be the starting point, at least for born again husbands, Eph. 5:25!
I loved my wife. She became Christian and at 24 years of a sexless marriage, she decided SHE could do better and moved on to greener pastures. I lived with that guilt for years believing I'd lost my salvation.
Another awesome teaching!!! God bless you Pastor John.
And if you would be so kind as to give us more volume; it's a bit straining to hear you.
Many thanks.
Thank you John for more clarification! I wish I could tell people and they would choose to understand the harm they cause when they use scriptures out of context. There is no greater torment than thinking you might go to Hell. I know how tormented I've been before understanding to the best of my ability, the scriptures you are putting into context and explaining. People that love Jesus, truly love Him, want to live righteous, holy lives in Him, because of the love they have for Him. To continue to bring up the past mistakes in a person's life, that has repented and is remarried, is no different than any person's past mistakes being thrown in their face, again and again. Our Lord doesn't do that. Once a person has repented, He remembers their sin no more. Hallelujah!
Teaching that people can remarry after a divorce is attempting to bring people back under the subjection of the law. Jesus spoke against what was done under the law of Moses (Moses's precept of divorce and remarriage) in Deuteronomy 24:1-4. This teacher is preaching that God is blessing adultery without the understanding that the enemy has the ability to give those that serve him everything he tempted Jesus with. The scriptures say that rain falls on the just as well as the unjust. No divorce and remarriage in the church until Henry VIII started the Church of England.
Thank you for this teaching!
Wow !! thank you so much
Very well explained ❤
We have people splitting up left and right, marriages being broken. The victim are the children. If you are telling people they can divorce over being displeased with their spouse--(are you actually siding with Hillel on this?) think of the damage that can cause.
Even if Deuteronomy allowed that, then Jesus can make it more stringent. He had the authority to point people back to the original intention of marriage in the garden of Eden, which he did, and require more than the law of Moses. Jesus does this in Matthew 5 also.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
The law of Moses required a writing of divorcement. Jesus gave a more restrictive teaching. The law of Moses did not allow breaking oaths. Jesus did not even allow swearing oaths. This is the passage where his commentary on 'love your neighbor' is to 'love your enemy.' He presents a higher standard of righteousness than that of the scribes and Pharisees.
Your treatment of adultery sure seems like sophistry to me. If a man looks at a woman in order to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her already ____in his heart____. Literally, yes, adultery involves a sex act that violates the bonds of marriage. But this is adultery in the heart. Adultery can be a metaphor for idolatry in some cases, but literally, it is about sex. And the command in the ten commandments is about sexual behavior.
Is there anything at all in this verse that could justify saying that what Jesus is really saying that if you get remarried out of a lustful desire, that's the problem?
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
That reinterpretation doesn't make sense, and does not match what Jesus actually said. And Christians haven't believed like this historically. It's new. Its a recent teaching that has emerged after marriage in our culture has broken down since the '60's with the combination of birth control, the sexual revolution, the feminist movement, and the courts allowing no-fault divorce. Divorce is everywhere, and the church teaching lowers to bar to allow it.
As far as abuse goes, Paul wrote to women, let not the wife depart from her husband. But if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. He does not mention abuser per se, of course.
If a woman's husband kills a man in a bar fight, and she files a no-fault divorce, that doesn't mean God allows her to marry someone else, or that it isn't adulterous. If a wife runs up credit card debt and he divorces her, he has a reason, but that wouldn't make his future remarriage non-adulterous.
Maybe you should enquire of those who have divorced for irreconcilable differences who seem to have God's grace in their lives if they have repented. I have known people in whose lives God sure seemed to be working or who seemed to be used mightily of God who were shacking up or in secret adultery. The goodness of God leads us to repentence.
Maybe we should also consider people who have had testimonies of answered prayers, who exercised spiritual gifts, who had some kind of sin in their life, it turns out, fornication, adultery. Judas, that guy who stole money and betrayed Jesus, was given authority to do miracles. Balaam loved the wages of unrighteousness, but he could hear God and prophesy. Caiaphas prophesied also.
If God is merciful and longsuffering toward individuals, is that proof that their past or even current choices were not sinful.
My concern is that people can hear this and say, "Okay, I feel better about this idea to get a divorce. We do not get along very well anyway."
One the historical side of things the two influential leaders and legal scholars around the time of Jesus' birth were Hillel and Shammai. According to commentator's, Shammai's restriction of divorce to infidelity was his interpretatio of "because he hath found some uncleanness in her" in Deuteronomy 24. Hillel allowed for divorce for things as minor as burning a meal. Shammai was known as being more strict and more of a hothead. Hillel was known for being patient and gentle. But on this issue, Hillel's gentleness gave men more options but it was not very kind to women. Divorce was pretty much a one-way street since the man gave the certificate. The Pharisees may have been asking about this debate when they asked Jesus about the any cause divorce. Jesus' reply is more strict than Shammai's in the Talmud. Shammai said a man could only divorce for infidelity, but Jesus said that whoever divorced His wife and married another commits adultery and that he who marries her that is divorced commits adultery.
Maybe Moses jimself was more lax with applying God's word than the original revealed intention, allowing divorce like Hillel did, though the intention was stricter. The Pharisees believed their traditions were oral Torah and they valued interpretations that were passed down. Jesus pointed His listeners back to the original intent at the creation of woman as the basis for His teaching and interpretation. HIs interpretation and declaration was so conservative that the disciples said if such was the case, it was better for a man not to marry. They may have believed they had a right to divorce.
The interpretation at the end of this video departs from the words Christ actually said. Let us obey Jesus... ad the commands of the Lord through Paul in I Corinthians 7 also.
I think this is the most practical teaching on divorce and remarriage I have ever heard. It's not a perfect world and I see the wisdom of God and His grace in this teaching. Thank you.
What's so practical if a person being abused the bible justifies separation not divorce the old testament was a marriage covenant (jer.3:14) God separated from a wicked isreal people need to just master themselves the truth is any two people can get married and if they follow the law of .marriage all marriages would thrive
the statement...if you are married, not if you are remarried....
Dear brother John thank you for your message from our Heavenly Saviour I look forward to hearing your messages full of enthusiasm and hope love to you and all Christian brothers and sisters from Maria in Birmingham England 😘😊💒📯🇬🇧🇺🇸🌎🐕🐎🛄📣🔔🎆🎇😑 JESUS RUELS
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Where can I find the video of you speaking about marriage, which the husband is the head of the home & the wife is the head of the house? I've watched so many videos recently that I can't recall which one spoke of that revelation during a visitation of yours. I'd like to share it with a friend. ❤
Hey John I got a question about the unbeliever. It says if the unbeliever wants to leave let them. What if an unbeliever leaves, then comes to Christ. Is that now believer not allowed to remarry? Sorry I know this is an older video. Blesd you.
Lol, I was asked by a wife to meet her husband to be a second wife inn Jordan. Lol, I kindly declined.
ByHisLove I can only imagine how awkward that was, but not all Jordanians believe that way
It was not bad because I was aware of the 'culture'. The wife was serious and I told her that I was flattered but it is not in my belief system and she was fine. No they do not all feel that way, you are right!
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Please pray for me!?! I had a dream (after asking GOD to show me something He wanted me to know) that my (narcissistic / jezebel spirit) husband tried to kill me! My daughter has had dreams of him trying to hurt me too and the latest one she told me this morning was that she dreamed last night that he set my face on fire and put me outside and she called the police!
SoulMate * True Love Praying for you right now!
@@japhillips08 . . . . thank you so much! It's all very disturbing and unsettling to say the least!
SoulMate * True Love Yes I would imagine it would be!! 😢
Do you and your children have a safe place to go?
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they were " just dreams " , but , even so, I'm counting on GOD to protect us!
Jesus said the words about divorce were from Moses, not God. That’s specifically stated by Jesus. “Moses gave you this command…”
You took a vow before the LORD-NOT until you get tired of interceding but until death you do part: that's for better or for worse; in sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer, forsaking all others, till death do you part. You are sinning against God with these kinds of thoughts. There's not a timeline with the LORD. He didn't give up on you when you lived in rebellion (before you were saved). The reality is that most spouses who leave do so because they THINK they have found "love." They have, instead, given themselves over to the lust of their flesh. One of the most important "jobs" you have in the Kingdom is to pray and intercede for your husband/wife--even if it takes 100 years! Beware that you enter NOT into the temptation of sin by thinking you can abandon your one-flesh spouse (loving him/her, praying for him/her). God has made you one flesh by His supernatural Hand. That will NEVER change while the two of you are on this earth. This is the most IMPORTANT calling on your life.
~Judith Brumbaugh
Hi Tatiana- what you state is the best case, but in every covenant there is an escape clause - from modern to ancient, there are always consequences and ramifications within a covenant, and a way of escape.
It is to those exceptions Jesus spoke. And that escape is why God says He divorced Israel - for her adultery/fornication with other gods. That is so saturated in the OT and Jewish teachings it is really beyond argument. It's there chapter and verse in Jeremiah, Hosea, etc....God is divorced.
So you have to reconciled that fact with your doctrine. Your points above appear to be emotional rather than reasoned, probably from life experience I would guess.
But Paul flatly stated for instance, if an unbelieving spouse wants a divorce, to let them go. That is chapter and verse, no matter what your emotion based theology tells you. (I Corinthians 7: 12-16)
That Jesus said divorce was given for the hardness of heart - that is chapter and verse and you cannot deny that. Jesus wasn't saying that was the best outcome, it isn't. But how perverted do you think God would be to make marriage a must be until death do you part, if a man or woman is being beaten to death, or not cared for and starving, or suffering the spouse to have all sorts of affairs without consequence.
To give the gift of marriage He must also provide the way of escape. To give the gift of free will He must also provide the way out of sin. For everything good gift He has given, He has also made a solution for when things go wrong, and divorce as Jesus taught, is there for a way of escape due to hard hearts. Blessings, John
@@CWOWI God bless you.
Wow bro you are so passionate which equals emotion. On divorce and remarriage and adultery you are standing on the wrong scripture and on the wrong side of sound biblical exegesis. You're amazing man. You gave every reason and excuse for people to get divorced and remarried and not just one time but multiple times. I'm sorry brother you're a teacher and you will be held to a higher standard especially teaching this.
You really have no understanding of what adultery is. Your emotions carry you on waves. My friend you will never read this I'm sure and if you do you'll dismiss it out of hand.
I've never heard of a weaker teaching on marriage and divorce using scripture. Hardness of heart that's what you spoke of several times. So the more you get divorced and remarried the harder your heart gets which those who are divorced or remarried can get their ears tickled by most pastors today especially your teaching on this subject.
We have to accept marriage and divorced because it's so common and we have to accommodate it by twisting scriptures. It wasn't long ago when it wasn't that common.
God can forgive if there is repentance. But let’s be clear there will be severe consequences for the children. I have seen this and it is heartbreaking.
Hi Patti - I agree completely - my dad left our family when I was 11 1/2 and it was devastating to we 4 children, and like you, I've seen and see the effects as these children become adults. Not sure why you used the terminology of 'let's be clear about this' - as the subject was theological not on the effects of divorce on children, which is well documented. But I agree completely. John
Thank you again brother John such a wonderful blessing hearing this.God bless you.
I heard someone say that back then when someone was betrothed to another there was a contract put in place to be married. They weren’t married yet but they were betrothed for a certain amount of time. In that amount of time if they found any thing they didn’t like about the other person or they found out that the other person had relations with someone else they could end the contract and give a certificate of divorce, even though they didn’t consummate the marriage and there were no children involved yet.
Fornication is sex before marriage. Could Paul be addressing the divorce issue to those who were betrothed to be married? Jesus said “What God joins together let no man put asunder.” Jesus also said that Moses allowed the certificate of divorce, not God
What are your thoughts on this?
Amen!
the Bible says, remain single, or be reconcilled.....in Mt 5....the idea if a man divorces his wife, except, for porneia, then he is responsible for the adultery of his wife....ergo you can not remarry...
what to say, if one believes you are living, in sin....
Gamaliel was Paul's rabbi.
Thank you, John. Excellent word, as always. I even had an 'ah Ha!' moment while listening. :-)
I am a Christian,I got married to a Muslim,He said he is not interested in the marriage because,I am not a Muslim and his mother wants a Muslim woman for him, can I as a Christian remarry since he choose to go
yes! He is an unbeliever but make sure you marry a true born again man next time, don't be unequally yoked or you will have more serious problems and will draw you away from your walk with the Lord
Hello John my name is Travis. John i was wondering what your take on scripture about a man wearing his hair long. I did some videos on the manner and i have been recently rebuked for this. God bless
Hi Travis, thanks for writing - of course those who rebuked you probably used I Corinthians 11: 14 I'm guessing.
But that is conflicted by Samson and the larger 'Nazirite vow' of Numbers 6: 1-21. When a man or woman made a vow to the Lord in the way described, they could not cut their hair during the days of their vow. And that was Samson - it wasn't the hair that made him strong, it was his vow to the Lord not to cut it. When the locks were cut, there went the time of consecration and his strength left him.
But Paul said in the I Corinthians 11: 14 verse it is a shame for a man to have long hair.
But what is long hair? Jesus has hair below his neck line for sure...that is long by our standards, but not long by first century Israel standards. 'Long' is an arbitrary value.
In the end I think Romans 14 is the answer - that specifically is about Christians who choose to eat meat or just veggies, or choose one day over another to worship on, or to drink wine or not - Paul said let each be persuaded in his own mind, and that what each does is unto the Lord, so respect that.
That leaves the question about long hair to why long hair? Your hair, your choice. Not my call, not anyone else's call - if you were married your wife would have say in it, but as an individual, it's your hair, your call.
If someone doesn't like it, so what? What you do, you do unto the Lord, and He accepts you. So do I. And so should they. John
@@CWOWI thank you for replying. I really enjoy listening to the teachings that you recieve from my hero, Jesus Christ Lord!
Hello dear brother, this is a lot of information to take in. Do you have a write up on this please?
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By teaching a falsehood, namely, that divorce and remarriage is Not adultery, which Jesus REPEATEDLY said it was, you do no one a favor. The adultery of remarriage is Not the commission of repeated adultery, since marriage sanctifies that marriage. And Paul says it’s better to marry than to burn. What it doesn’t do is break or dissolve the one flesh covenant God gives the two in their first marriage. As Leviticus says, the life of the flesh is in the blood. Thus, the one flesh ends when one of the two dies. Furthermore, while polygamy was both allowed under the Law and existed in the first century, the husband of one wife means that- adding that it means polygamy or bigamy undercuts what Paul actually says. He could’ve just as easily have said “a leader in the church shall not have more than one wife at a time.” But he didn’t, did he?
Furthermore, Jesus said “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced... commits adultery,” Luke 16:18. It’s not symbolism. Everyone knew what He was talking about. Thus, letting those two declarations stand on their own is hardly taking them out of context.
Does the adultery of remarriage send one to hell? No! For it’s better to marry than to burn and God honors the marriage contract itself; otherwise, He wouldn’t have had a problem with remarrying a first husband after divorce and remarriage.
The condition for salvation remains-
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart”-that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.”
But to suggest that a Christian who divorces a Christian and remarries another has what God graciously gave them in their first marriage is just false.
Can you please explain how God can be divorced to the Jews and will remarry them when it is said in the word that we should not remarry the ex spouse. I mean i know God can do whatever he chooses but isnt that contradictory?
I have enjoyed listening to your visitation stories John and some of your own teaching. However, some of the things you say about divorce and re-marriage has to be challenged. It is clear from the simple reading of scripture that divorce was allowed before the new birth was available because unregenerate man often had hard hearts, the love of God was not shed abroad in their hearts as you know. For born again Christians, who are able and expected to live to a much higher standard (like loving your enemies) the Lord does not allow for "hard heartedness" as a reason for divorce. He clearly states sexual unfaithfulness as a valid reason for divorce, and implicit is the freedom to re-marry (and not your odd reasoning about marrying for lust, come on John!).
I agree that if a non believer does not want to stay with a believer then they can divorce and the believer can remarry in this instance too, neither cases involve hard heartedness. Paul writes that a man or woman should marry to avoid fornication so the Lord is understanding and is for remarriage in these instances. But in the case of two believers in marital problems, it is not a matter of separating and remaining single for a while only, to try and work things out. No, you are adding what is not there. Because they are both born again they must work it out or stay single. They have the love of God in them and should walk in love. For them to divorce and re-marry would be committing adultery.
This can be a hard situation especially if one party will not make any effort to reconcile. It is up to the husband and wife to get before the Lord and pray the thing through, the Lord is there to help and will provide wisdom. To listen to you giving license to divorce for almost any reason like in Deuteronomy, I have to ask why God says adulterers and fornicators he will judge if, as according to your teaching, it is very difficult to commit adultery. Very unconvincing, adultery is sexual relations with someone you are not married to or divorcing and remarrying outside of the Lords clear parameters for divorce and remarriage.
Paul, this entire message confuses me. Some pastors say if you are divorced you should remain single otherwise you are in adultery.
I recently became a Christian.
Pastor Fenn has helped me greatly in coming to the Lord with his messages.
My husband (32 years) who has claimed to be a believer for many years, is a closeted homosexual and in active adultery (his Christen church embraces his adulterous affair and his gf attends with him)
When our divorce is over am I not free to marry?
@@klynn1009 Hi Klynn, i did post a reply but it doesn't appear to have worked so i will try again. Just sent this to test if it stays in place on the comments.
@@klynn1009 Ok, we don't read of exact cases in scripture that match your case, i.e. what happens when your husband is gay and having an affair with a man. So, like the Apostle Paul had to do sometimes when he had no commandment of the Lord, he gave his judgement based on the fact that he had the Holy Spirit within to guide him. Firstly, i doubt whether your husband is a true christian and if he was i would have expected the Lord to have judged him over his life style by now as judgement begins at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17). We see an example of this in scripture, a man sleeping with his step mother (1 Cor 5) being handed over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit would still be saved. Even if he was born again, homosexuality is an even more severe sin than adultery between a man and a woman because it is unnatural affection. So on that basis you have the right to divorce your husband for his sexual uncleanness and immorality (Matt 5:42 which includes adultery). You would , of course be free to re-marry. I presume you have initiated divorce proceedings and all i would say is that the next man you date and marry must be truly born again, who has the evidence of a change life in his conduct and who attends a good church on a regular basis. You will have problems in the future if not because as scripture states, be ye not unequally yoked (see 2 Cor 6:14). A believer with a non believer is likely to cause tension all through a relationship. I know, because i made that mistake!
From what you said he claimed to be a christian years before you and has been attending a church, did you see evidence of a changed man at any time? My usual test of whether someone is born again is a) Does the bible mean anything to him, does he have any revelation of scripture? b)do they have a genuine love for other christians and feel part of the family of believers? c) do they have the witness in them that they are a child of God? In your husband case, with his lifestyle, i doubt whether it will be possible to tell but its a useful guide when seeking a new husband.
@@Truthispower701that is true God bless your comment brother
This guy is dangerous and is not rightly dividing the word but giving exegesis and his own interpretation.
So many fallacies to this teaching but I will just point out the Deut 24 misunderstanding. Jer 3 puts this in perspective with the first two words of that chapter: ”they say” and this is the Lord speaking so He obviously isn't referring to Himself as ”they”. Also the next verse in Deut 24 instructs the man can't conduct business or go to war for a year after he is married. Is this followed as well? No!
To say that the ”Holy Spirit” working in someones life is a sure sign they are being blessed and are righteous is really quite ignorant.
What do you do.with many will say Lord, Lord and He says He never knew.them?
Hi JP - what I said is right, accurate, and confirmed so many times in the last 45 years of ministry - by Word and Spirit. But differences such as this shouldn't divide us, for if you can't understand basic chapter and verse and have to bend and twist things to fit what you believe, then I'm guessing we differ in a lot of areas, lol. But I hope you'll keep watching as I share a lot in areas I'd guess are not your 'hot' buttons. Blessings, John
SuperHouseChurch what if you're wrong then will you stand flippantly before the Lord? Romans 7:2,3 is clear, 1 Cor 710,11 is clear, Luke 16:18 is clear and many other scriptures that you laugh at. So, what if you are wrong and in essence you are making permissible (remarriage) what God forbids and you are forbidding what God commands (repentance from adultery).
According to Ezek 33, their blood will be on your hands. Sorry if you think that's my ”pet” peeve hot button but I say the souls of men are worth it.
How many divorced and remaried people have forgiven their covenant spouse from their heart as we are commanded?
This is not about the ”letter” of the law, although it's crystal clear, this is about the ”spirit” of the law and love, mercy, grace, forgiveness and reconciliation! That is the heart of God!
Why does it divide? Because if pastors would start teaching that there is one covenant until death and marriage is not a revolving door that we can come and go as we love ourselves and we aren't ”entitled” to divorce, there would be one less destroyed family tomorrow!
@@JP-yx4yo I have never seen so much false teaching packed into a 20-minute video to be honest. This is indeed very dangerous.
@@CWOWI The way you replied to J P, makes me wonder about you; it doesn't matter how long you've been a "minister", 45 yrs, 450 yrs. Have observed a lot of arrogance in too many pastors...
@@stpierreforjesusthesavior984 Do not confuse directness with arrogance, which I am not. The man called me dangerous, in a personal attack. I responded with facts, verse, directness - that is humility. We will all stand before the Lord, and we will all have things to be corrected, that is for sure. I just wish people could share ideas and concepts without attacking the person they disagree with, even above to label me. Sad that he did that, yet you call me arrogant... Blessings, John
I understand that you feel that you are being compassionate toward those who are in this situation, one that I was also in for 15 years, but you are not telling people what they need to hear when it comes to covenants with God. It is more than an "intention" or "idea", but covenants with God are permanent until death. Ok...answer this...does Jesus not say in Matthew 5:32 "That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery?" What is so difficult for most people to understand about this scripture? The woman in this case is not guilty of fornication during Jewish betrothal (which is the Mosaic Law that is clearly outlined in Deuteronomy 22:13-21), but is in danger of comitting adultery with another man because she is now divorced . Any pastor or teacher should know that Matthew was written to the Jews (Romans 1:16), and is the first of the synoptic gospels with over 20 specific characteristics that speak directly to a Jewish audience. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees that were preaching like this video and who believe that hardness of hearts that caused divorce and remarriage was ok. Jesus reaffirms the one-flesh covenant when he says to the Pharisees "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so" (Matthew 19:4-8). More proof that this video is in error is by teaching from the Old Covenant Law regarding David when Jesus addresses the Pharisees in Luke 16 as seen here: "And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery" (Luke 16:14-18). Jesus clearly is telling the Pharisees that the Law and the prophets were until John the Baptist began preaching the coming of the kingdom. Preaching on divorce and remarriage from the Old Covenant is serious error because it denies the authority of Christ through the New Covenant. This video is mocking the scriptures and scoffing at those who are following the scriptures and not man's interpretation. To further prove this is teaching falsely is that it also takes 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 out of context in an attempt to apply it to divorce and remarriage when the entire chapter of 2 Corinthians 6 is about ministry from beginning to end. What is not being made clear is that Paul already dealt with the topic of divorce and remarriage in his first letter to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 7 and would not have repeated this in a chapter about ministry. We need to divide the word and allow it to affirm other scriptures but some either do not yet know that 2 Corinthians 6 is speaking specifically about ministry or deliberately ignore it in order to justify remarriage after a divorce. It should be simple but we have teachers like in this video sowing confusion and preaching to itchy ears. Another proof that some are teaching falsely is by telling you that 1 Corinthians 7:15 disolves a one-flesh covenant but is not telling you that Jesus is speaking through Paul when he says "not I but the Lord" when he commands the departing spouse to "remain unmarried or else be reconciled" just four scriptures above in 1 Corinthians 7:11. This is literally attempting to teach that Paul overruled Christ and says that the brother or sister is no longer "bound", but that is not what the actual scripture says. Here is the actual scripture, "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace" (1 Corinthians 7:15). The phrase "not under bondage" means slavery to sin against God by force with an unbelieving spouse, not a release from the one-flesh covenant as this teaching suggests. The word bondage always refers to slavery not marriage. The Word is clear. Matthew is written to the Jews first and was speaking on the Jewish betrothal found in Deuteronomy 22:13-21, and clearly proves Luke 16:16 true in John 8:11 by forgiving the adulteress. By telling her to sin no more he is telling her to repent and return to her covenant husband just as God commanded Hosea to take back Gomer. The matter of being equally yoked in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 is regarding ministry, not marriage. This is easily proven by 1 Corinthians 7:12-14 where the unbeliever accepts that the believing spouse has found faith in God but wishes to remain and not hinder their beliefs. Many also falsely use the woman at the well as an excuse to remarry but this is easily explained by Matthew 22:23-28, where Jesus is being told of a similar situation where a widow marries seven brothers, each after the previous brother dies. This both legitimizes and reaffirms the one-flesh covenant as well as the nature of Jesus's acknowledgement of the five husbands of the Samaritan woman, as well as the illegitimacy of the 6th man. If the five husbands of the woman at the well were not covenant husbands then Jesus would not have acknowledged that they were. This video is also teaching falsely when it comes to God's divorce with Israel. The reason some find it difficult to understand Jeremiah 3:1 is that they make two mistakes while reading the parable of Israel as the divorced wife. Many error by only reading half the parable. Let’s first examine this parable more closely. Jeremiah’s purpose in using this parable is two-fold. First, the prophet wishes to vividly illustrate Israel’s spiritual disloyalty to its Creator. Second, and most important, unlike the twice-estranged wife whose original husband cannot return to her, the prophet appeals to the Jewish people to repent and proclaims that it is their sacred mandate to be restored as God’s chosen people. What is impossible with the forsaken woman is the destiny for the children of Israel. Let’s look at the entire verse in context: They say, “If a man divorces his wife, and she goes from him and becomes another man’s, may he return to her again?” Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; “Yet return to Me,” says the Lord (Jeremiah 3:1). The central feature of the prophet’s exhortation that you overlooked appears at the very end of the verse, ” ‘Yet return to Me’, says the Lord.” Jeremiah makes this plea five times throughout the chapter. The message conveyed by prophet clear: The mercy and compassion of the Almighty is far beyond the scope of man’s comprehension. God has made it clear that Israel has been unfaithful but still his wife. Teaching that God has remarried the church (which is the bride of Christ, not God), who is only betrothed to Christ until the Wedding Supper of the Lamb, is uncatigorically false and presents a major conflict in scripture. By doing this you present God as a polygamist in an attempt to void all scriptures that pertain to the one-flesh covenant. Please seek the scriptures for confirmation and answers before entering into or remaining in a situation such as marriage that is not easy to repent of. God bless.
Amen Amen....Good to see someone awake here. This guy has much blood on his hands.
@@mustardseedist sad but true. The hope is that he would find the truth and repent while there is breath.
@@ajlouviere202 I agree !! I was married almost 25 years when my now ex husband, left me for another woman...I've been single for 4 1/2 years, and I strongly disagree with the teaching in this video...as true followers, we know what the Bible says, it's clear..twisting scriptures, taking them out of context, is very harmful...it's like agreeing to homosexuality, it's ok as long as they are married...NO !! It's not ok !! Thank you so much for your comment ! God bless you
@@sheilamb thank you Sheila. I have to ask you how long have you known the truth? Most people I encounter like you have known less than 3 years. It's not a wonder why divorce and remarriage has become such an epidemic today with so much false teaching out there. Have seen many stories like yours of people standing. I encourage you to take a look at the playlist I created on this topic so you can be further encouraged.
@@ajlouviere202 when I was a child, my parents used to take us to church a couple times a month, nothing steady, no roots in a church, and the only time I ever heard about God was in children's church...my parents never talked about God at home, and when I was still very young, my parents just quit going altogether....it wasn't until I was about to turn 44, that I decided I hated the way I was living, and 10 days before I turned 44 I told my husband at the time, I wanted to re dedicate my life to Christ...he decided to leave on my birthday...we had plans to go to dinner that evening, but when I got home from work, he was gone and so was everything we owned...I was deeply depressed and had no idea why this happened, after about 2 and half years, my depression was gone, I started reading my Bible and seeking God...I never thought about dating anyone, until my sister told me i need to move on, find someone else and be happy... immediately when she said, I felt that if I even had the thought of dating, I was committing adultery !! She showed me scripture and said, it's ok, because he left you for another woman, but I felt it in my heart, if the thought of dating another man, entered my mind, I was committing adultery against my now ex husband !! I never thought about dating or getting "remarried" until my sister said that, so it's been a little over a year and a half since I leaned it...it was taught to me through conviction from the Holy Spirit...even though I've never dated or even thought about it, but because it was suggested to me, I felt convicted...I'll go check out the videos on your channel...
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! GOD BLESS YOU!! THE TRUTH SET US FREE INDEED!!
not being under bondage, is not akin to not being bound.....
How “perverse do you think God is”? Are you kidding me? God gives two a covenant wherein He agrees to view the two as one; this, the “one flesh,” and it transcends their own righteousness, which includes, by the way, anything they do or say to each other. There’s beauty in that, as it stands as a physical representation of our spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ. If a wife is being abused, she can leave, as Paul says, but she is to remain unmarried-
“10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.”
Note that there is leniency given to the wife, which is not given to the husband. He is not to divorce his wife, period. She, however, is allowed to leave, only she is to remain unmarried.
Stop playing fast and loose with God’s holy Word.
where does it say....if you two are Christians....etc...
what do you say to same sex couples.....if you are living in sin....the sin, of adultery....nothing else marries....this is an issue that needs to be addressed...
You're calling my parameters (the Word of God) going against God??? Maybe it is you who better check in with James 3:1-- not many Christians should aspire to be labelled as teachers, as they will face stricter judgment due to the seriousness of their responsibility.
Can you make a video about the Sabbath please?
Doesn’t The Lord die- So he can remarry Israel? Not trying to make trouble... Legit question. I don’t have a problem with people being remarried.
Very good point
He's not marrying Israel. He's betrothed to the church which is made up of Christ's followers not those that remained Israel. God's bride is Israel, and Jesus's bride is the church. Paul is speaking to those that were married to the Law (of Moses) could now be married to Christ who was risen. Those that remained in the Law died in the Law. The same goes for those who divorce and remarry by the Law of Moses which is Deuteronomy. Jesus makes it very clear that the Law and the prophets were until John the Baptist began preaching the coming of the kingdom in Luke 16:16. I hope that this helps to clear any confusion.
AJ Louviere “And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.”
Luke 16:17 KJV
www.bible.com/1/luk.16.17.kjv
@@Cenepk101 the Law did not fail it was fulfilled by Christ. Jesus was reiterating that the Law of Moses as well as the prophecies concerning him were now fulfilled. That is why Romans 7:4-6 says, "4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." Jesus's first public act during his ministry was to proclaim the kingdom and fulfilling of the scriptures as seen here in Luke 4:
16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.17And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.21And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.22And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son? 23And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.24And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.25But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.28And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, 29And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.30But he passing through the midst of them went his way. (Luke 4:16-30)
you judge, by sight, and not by the Word of God.....this is the argument, for same sex marriage....
the theological view shapes our actions....not the other way around.....you go by sight....not by the Word, of God...
Wrong! This guy and teaching will lead you to hell! Not one time did you mention any of Paul's teachings on divorce and remarriage.
JESUS said "whosoever divorces their spouse and marry another commits adultery "...period!
We are commanded NOT to divorce. It's not a request it's a command! We are to remain single or divorced or reconciled to spouse. That's it!
Every 2nd marriage is always adultry. God calls every 2nd marriage adultry!
The world calls it legalized marriage, God calls it legalized adultry! No adulterer will enter the kingdom of heaven!
Wow I am shocked that you are so wrong. On this topic have you seen the destruction that has come upon the generations line’s of those who are divorced? No sir you are teaching wrong. So wrong
True Christian's dont get divorced! They wait on God for healing and wait for God to work during separation. Gods plan is always reconciliation! Wait on Him to heal ! Quit jumping in to other relationships. Its him we need to seek out not another woman or man ! Your deceived if you beleive you are in a 2nd marriage and call yourself a Christian! Your a liar!
you are all over the place....when you get a topic....come on back.....
stay where you are....is this true, of a same sex marriage....
For the same-sex, marriages does not include. People who have the same-sex marriage are not save They need to repent of their sins and separate God does not even acknowledge that as marriage
second time through....you have no message.....
do you have a point....
toward the end it degenerates, to gibberish....
Not going to drink your koolaid.
I don’t know where to begin on how much false teaching this has. Unbelievable!
If we look at the context of the culture of the day when these were written then we need another BIBLE for today’s culture. 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Hi Daion - your logic is flawed. You have spoken or written things and had people take them out of context, having to tell them 'that's not what I meant' when they do so. If you understand that, then why do you make such a statement above?
God's Word in the OT was purposely vague - like the divorce law of Dt 24: 1-4, so that Israel might walk with God and get His mind for each situation. Instead of walking with Him, they did what natural man does, create rules for every situation to try to adress every single possible issue.
It is the same today - 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, mind, and love your neighbor as yourself' is vague - you and I must walk with Him to understand how those instructions need to be applied in any given situation.
And that brings me around to your poorly thought out statement above - looking at context of something written 2,000 years ago or 3500 years ago is a must - if things you say or write are taken out of context within hours or days of when you spoke or wrote them, and demand the person restating what you said or wrote put the words back in context, how much more somethings so ancient and from different cultures?
Context is everything. John
SuperHouseChurch thank you for answering me back. Jesus said and I quote God allowed Moses( which means to ME that God himself would never say that but he trusted Moses judgement-showing a glimpse of mercy by man to man,because God is holy, and the law was not merciful or gracious under no circumstance)to tell them because of their hard hearts he would allow for a bill of divorcement to be given. If you understand Hebrew “engagement period “as Americans call it then you know that they considered the couple married. When they broke the vow by fornicating(two unmarried people) then as stated with Joseph he thought to put away Mary because she was pregnant for “someone “else because he knew she and Joseph hadn’t fornicated during that bethrotal period (excuse spelling).
So Jesus says that “except for fornication”, ( this is between two commas) in English reading a statement between two commas can be taken out of a sentence because it was added to give emphasis to a thought before and after each comma( correct me if I’m wrong, please) and then reread the context. The bill of divorcement was protection from stoning to death as in the case of actual adultery, (two people bounded by the law) having sex with someone other than their spouse.
I said that we need another bible for today because you said that we need to consider the time that the context was written when you were talking about 2 Timothy and the qualifications of an overseer. If you say that then consider when Malachi was written in the context of tithing. All churches quote this when it comes to giving money to the church so how does that justify giving tithes today.
So you threw me off when you said to look at context (and I have) if the context of the Bible is used as justification of why it doesn’t apply to us today in the context of our time period then we should stop using the Bible as we know it for the context of today’s way of living.
The disciples knew exactly what Jesus meant and that is why they said that then no one should marry because they understood that they they had a better chance of not being stoned to death for adultery so they rather commit fornication and still have a chance to live. That is why 1 Corinthians talks about fleeing fornication emphatically because we have sexual desires and want to fulfill them but without the consequences of the law of being bound by the law when you get married.
From the beginning this was not so. Two are one flesh and as long as the first is still alive they are bound by the law until one dies and the law does not hold you accountable after death. We say till death do us part. WHY!!!!! We don’t really mean this obviously.
Do we really want to live for the living god? I’m not so sure when it comes to marriage and the hard heartedness sets in to justify getting a divorce to that we can find a new person to gratify our own sexual lusts.
I hope you see my point of view deeper now than my first statement. Please share further.
May the lord bless you and keep you today and always.
fighting against God.....if you do this and this, they you commit adultery....how is holding to this, fighting against God...
No sir John, you are teaching wrong. So wrong.!! EPHESIANS 5/31-32
I urge you brother to restudy the scriptures on this. You are leading many astray and giving easy justification for many to divorce. If you think what Jesus says affirms the laws in Deuteronomy, you are just plain wrong.