Best AXIS Wake Surf Hydrofoil for the Lake
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
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Hei , maybe also making a test on the new Spitfire series?? Would be interesting since there is so much new stuff
Excellent! But now you got me wanting a BBTalkin thing, too! Well, my birthday is coming up and I usually shower myself with expensive gifts ( since nobody else will or can't afford or wouldn't buy me the things I want). I loved the 'live' commentary.
Thanks Pete! I can always count on you for an uplifting comment! I hope you’re well! The BBs are great. Our motorcycle club has been using them too. Working great!
thanks for joining me today … i’m back deep in the vids and the 899 w/CF mast looks like a lot of fun carving! curious what the boat speed was set at with that wing??
Awesome to meet you! I believe it was 10-11mph depending on the headwind, but it did require a big wake (large surf boat w ballast). I tend to recommend the 910 because it’s great for all of the wake sizes and possible rider weights
awesome vid! I have been having a lot of fun with the 910b behind the boat. I bought a used art 899 to give it a try and for whatever reason I couldn't get up on it to save my life. I must have tried 30 times. I got back in the boat and slapped the 910 back on and popped up first try. No idea why the art 899 was giving me so much trouble!
I’m sorry to hear that. What’s your weight, Luke? The 899 into a headwind at 190lb and 11mph boat is on the edge.
@@WakeThief good to know! Im about 195lb right now. The 899 was worth a try, just gonna stick to what works for now
Good luck! I’m here if you have questions. Try playing with boat speed. The 899 on the first wake will be great! Wakethief@icloud.com
Great video -- looking to invest into an Axis set up. I started foiling 5 years ago behind a boat with Slingshot flight school mast system (15", 24", 30" 36"), then 5 years with kite foiling in all conditions, got the Lift 4'2" eFoil 3 months ago with 150 front wing, 26 carve tail wing and now use folding prop (mostly in a lake). Now I want to get into Wake Foiling -- I have had 2 sessions behind my jetski with Slingshot Dwarfcraft 100cm board, Lift 170 HA front wing / 32 Glide rear wing trying to pump some and trying to ride the wake some but not doing either real well -- the Lift 170 HA doesn't seem to carve very well -- could just be me. I don't have any surfing background. I'm 145-150lbs. Watched most of your videos and trying to figure out which Axis set up to go with. I will be mostly behind my jetski (which is a SeaDoo Wake edition so small wake) and occasionally might be behind a friend's boat. I would like to be able to pump around the lake and ride a jetski wake. May also take into the ocean and tow into the swell behind a jetski. Could you recommend a couple of front wings, mast (aluminum vs. carbon), fuselage length (short or ultrashort) and a rear wing or wings? Thanks for any feedback.
I’d be happy to. Please email me. Will be a longer conversation / discussion. If you’d rather talk by phone, we can as well. Thanks. Devon. Wakethief@icloud.com
Hey wake their, love the videos.. I have a 1310, red fus. Set up for pumping and am looking for the best red fus wing for behind the boat…thinking 910? Any better reco at this stage? Weight 160 and level intermediate with ambition
910! Don’t get 910b. It doesn’t fit on red fuse.
@@WakeThief if I do go up to black fus. should I be looking at the ultra short with an ART 899 or do you have a revised reco with everything else that has now come out? Thanks again for the advise
@@WakeThief and any chance you have an old 910 you are looking to sell?
Thanks, great work as usual. Have you had a chance to try the new Advanced fueselage (mast nearer front wing) yet?
This could make a difference to turning the 999 and 1099 on the 2nd wave.
Hey Andrew! I haven't but will in the next week. I have confidence they will also loosen up the yaw and add torsional stiffness (less moment arm because distance from front wing to mast will be shorter). Here's to hoping!
I would also like to get into the sport of foiling. I'm not quite sure what setup to buy though. I would like to use it for: pumping, surfing behind the bot, winging, and for surfing 1m waves in the sea. Would a 1099, 460mm, short fuselage and 820mm long aluminum mast be a good setup? Thank you in advance. Many greetings from Switzerland
I think that setup would work pretty well! It will be hard to dockstart, if you ever want to do it, but could be done with enough speed and skill. Good luck!
@@WakeThief Thank you for your quick response. Do you think it would be better to change something else? E.g. a shorter fuselage or longer mast. What effect does it actually have when I use the 375 rear wing. Or what happens then? Many thanks in advance.
Smaller rear wings are faster and don’t pitch the board as quickly. Shorter fuses reduce pitch stiffness and yaw stiffness. Shorter masts are stiffer but don’t let you carve as deeply. That setup sounds pretty good, but it really depends on what you want.
One very important parameter : what weight are you ??
1099 + 460 has a pretty important lift, so in 1m wave, depending on your weight, you might want to reduce the stab and the fuse length to get a smoother take off at the expense of pure lift in small/weak waves.
I'm 70kg and 1099+400+ultrashort is too much for me on waves, 1099+350 is doable, especially with a bigger/longer board weighting a bit more more (eg. when surfing with a wing on light-ish wind). Note that 1099 has a pretty long turn radius when proning unless you're 90kg+. At 70kg, for proning 1m waves, the 899+350+crazyshort is perfect. Haven't tried the 899+350+advance ultrashort though, which might make connecting waves even easier without loosing turnability compared to the regular crazyshort fuse.
I really wish I could demo the 899 before I pull the trigger on it. I’m 190 lbs and currently ride the sp760 on the second wave. It’s fun but always looking for something better.
How big is your wake? I know that’s a hard question but think about your wake compared to others.
We have a Masrercraft X15 with about 3000 lbs of ballast so the wave is decent. However, one of the many reasons I prefer foiling over wakesurfing is not having to load up with tons of ballast. With a slightly smaller wake it seems like you have recommended the 910 to others?
I really enjoy carving but would also like to do transfers.
The 910 is no a regret move. Red series is just fine behind the boat I’d you already have red. I’d start there then consider 899 once you really start to shred. I think you will need the ballast for 899 on second wave @ 190lb! Good luck!
Don't worry Devon, in 10 years you'll still be able to get up easy.....
G'day looking at buying a axis set up i do alot of wake foiling i currently have a liquid force foil im starting to jump it but it has a high stall speed as and struggle to get it back up out of water after a jump. My question is wat would you recommend for jumping wings something with a early lift to get back up and going after breaching ?
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Folks pursuing aerials have been mainly riding Armstrong 1250, CF1200V2 and 925HA. I don’t know what AXIS wings are best for aerials. Please let me know when you’re done your research! I’d appreciate it. Thank you. Wakethief@icloud.com.
Hi, great video I have seen all your axis foils review and I am ready to buy, I have a lake boat that’s a Malibu 24 that make huge waves, I do wakeboard and wake surf, I weigh 165 and I am not sure if I will be foiling in the second wave or in the last waves so I am considering Axis PNG 1150, 1010 and 910
The issue is that my wife weights 125 and probably she would like to try
I think that the PNG series is the chosen one, but not sure witch size should I buy?
Mauricio! I’d recommend the 910. At 125lb she will be able to handle it. The 1150 is a too big for someone this light, even on a small wake. You will have a blast behind this boat! I’m super jealous! If you need more help, don’t hesitate to reach out. You can use the link here and swap out 1150 for 910. axisfoils.com/r?id=4ob1e6
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@@WakeThief thanks for the quick response, I will go for that one and use your cupón code …. Thanks again
I also ride behind a large surf boat. Would you change your recommendation if all the riders were 190 pounds?
No. I am 180lb. Same recommendations. 910 for beginners. 899 for advanced.
So many wings haha. I just bought your previous recommended setup with the png 1150 a few months ago. I can pump all around the boat now. What do you think about just adding the art 899 to that setup? My wakes are pretty small (1996 mastercraft prostar 190 inboard, too lazy to fill ballast).
I’d prefer you add the 910 for a smaller wake. 899 needs a steeper, high energy wake. Please email me. 910 can add to your red series fuselage. 899 needs a black series. Happy to discuss further! The 1150 is a dream on the lake and still our favorite foil for the lake. Wakethief@icloud.com
I’m in hood river hunting for a foil for the lake and I’d like to try winging…most advice for axis is get the new art with carbon mast…any comment on that? Kinda lined up with your video
We will release our power carbon high mod review tomorrow am. Sorry for my delay!
Really curious, which Armstrong wing would you say is most similar to the Axis 910 behind the boat? I love the 910 cause I can pump and carve. I'm thinking about getting the Armstrong 1250 but worried it will be too small to pump.
Behind the boat 1550v2 felt similar to 910 but the 910 is easier to pump than 1550v2 but not as easy as the 1850.
What size stabilizer are you using on that? I would like to carve really loose but I know that's hard with a big front wing. I also want to be able to pump between wakes on my medium size wave, non surf boat.
Have you tried Axis new “ Super Easy Start packages “ ?
Yes. It’s a great way to get into an axis package at a lower price and see if you like the sport, and upgrade from there. I find it easier to learn on, but for those with past boardsports experience, not that much easier than most other high performance front wings you’d want to buy if you feel in love with the sport.
I have the 1150 PNG setup which i find difficult to carve, can i just swap out the front wing with the 910 and keep the same back wing?
Yes. Exactly. Please order the 910 and not the 910b.
@@WakeThief how do i order for you to get credit 910 with cover
@Soulfynger1 so kind of you. Please order from this link, an affiliate link. I’m here if you need anything. mackite.idevaffiliate.com/idevaffiliate.php?id=102&url=7
What would you say is better behind a boat for 75kg riders, 899 or 999?
If you have a surf boat w ballast, go 899. If not, 999
Great video, question: I’ve never tried wake foiling, I’d love to get a wake foil though. I’m 110 lbs, I found a cloud ix surf foils s24 for sale, I was wondering if I could put it on a cheap wake surfboard I found, and would that be a good set up for wake foiling and riding small boat wakes, maybe pumping once and a while. Would this be good? Or any suggestions? I want to keep it cheap, as in like under 450 would be ideal
Hi Henry ... Just saw your messenger note. Will respond there.
Hey man! Hearing rumors of a 1310… which appears to be a stretched out 1150… I know you’re stoked. Can you share anything with us? When can I get one? Thanks!
Please check out our latest video. If you have any questions, please ask.
I have the png set up 1150 with 460 rear wing. Can I swap out for the art 899 and keep the 460 wing and it work well?
You will need to order a black fuselage. The 899 only fits on the black fuselage. The good news is that the black fuselage will fit the rest of your gear.
@@WakeThief thank you! Is there a wing you recommend if I wanted to just stick with the red fuselage?
@@WakeThief and if I go ahead with the black fuselage will the 460 rear be okay with the 899 or is the 375 a must?
Thanks and will mention you to axis!
@ryanjames3302 yes. Get the 910
I wouldn’t say it’s a must. You can always get it later
Great vid! Question: My brother is looking at getting into wakefoil. He is 250lbs. Already wake surfs, wakeboard, surfs, etc but never foiled. Is the 910 a good starter set up for wakefoil? Or does he need to go bigger? I wing, Sup and prone foil but am 185 so I’m not sure what to recommend. Thanks
Yes. The 910 will be fine. If he wants to enjoy surfing without the ballast. He could always use the 1010 (next size bigger). I’d recommend a red series build which will be stronger / stiffer. Please email me. Happy to discuss further. Devon. Wakethief@icloud.com
@@WakeThief Thanks Devon. Much appreciate your answer. My brother is based in Vancouver Canada, whereas I am in Australia. What exact setup would you recommend for Mast, Fuse & Tail for the 910? Thanks!
I think the short / 375 / 75cm mast, but a lot of this is preference after you nail the front wing ... the 800lb gorilla.
Does this setup work for lightweight riders?
Yes
Do you have a video on your actual board choice and why you prefer that one as your go to?
I don’t but I should. We are reviewing 16 boards and will be sharing that soon!
I’m thinking if the BSC 970 for my Next wing to graduate to from my fanatic low aspect beginner wing. What do you guys think?
Just when I think I've tried every foil someone finds one I haven't tried! Good news is that I've tried a BSC bigger (1060) and a BSC smaller (890). What do you want to do with the wing? Behind the boat?
@@WakeThief this would be for wing foiling. I’m a beginner moving on to intermediate gear in the near future. I want pretty good straight line stability but enough instability to carve some jibes and maybe start turning onto some wind waves. That’s what you do out here in Hood River Oregon.
I think it will work fine, but so will 1060 and 890. What’s your weight? If you purchase at AXIS, please tell them “wake thief sent you” in the comment box while checking out. We make a small commission that supports our channel and mission! Please email me back with your weight and we can discuss further. Wakethief@icloud.com.
How was pumping the 899?
Harder than 1099 and 999, but doable if you keep speed up.
@@WakeThief I'm torn between the Art 999 and the PNG 1010 as an upgrade to my PNG 910. I'm looking for a little more ease of pumping. I can transfer to the second wake from the first, but it's work. Thoughts?
The 910 is pretty easy to pump and I can’t recommend a more forgiving smaller span foil for what you do … if you want more speed and similar pump distance you could go 999 and not give up the fluidity of carving. You will feel the difference in speed right off the bat. If you want to ride smaller wakes, I’d jump right to 1150. It’s roll resistance isn’t there much more than 1010.
Thank you! Love your videos and insight!
Thanks Jay. Your support has been just awesome. You’re one of my biggest inspirations on IG … I can learn a lot about life from you!
The more I watch your vids the more I think Axis beats Armstrong all the way anywhere.