NOTE: (1) I forgot to mention that the lamination on the Scarlet Imprint edition appeared to be more matte compared to that of Giordano Berti, although, Berti's version is NOT at all reflective, glossy, or shiny. (2) The Mayer (1998) edition has blank backs :)
Loved the video comparison and appreciate your thoughts on this beautiful deck! I do have the Scarlet Imprint deck and book - I love them, so nice to see them compared :)
Hello! :D Yes. I tried to make a video in response to Simon's #TarotShelf tag and failed miserably! Logistics mostly. In any case after dropping several of my more precious decks from a great height, and having my lower back numb trying to dig out stuff on the floor level, I thought best not to tempt fate, and go with the flow. The flow seems to be going elsewhere these days :D I hope I am not biting more than I can chew :P These are books mainly from practitioners' perspective, the "magically literate" one blurb says. I am certainly not one of them. But, geared with my fading memory of Anthropology 101 about participant observation, I am attempting to finally practice this principle on a book-reading level :D Wish me luck! :D I think I might need it! Ha! :D
Oooh I was about to send you a message to see how you were! Hello again! I've been holding out on the Scarlet Imprint's Sola Busca Tarot for months now and I know it's limited, but hrm...life (😭) and that I'm only wanting a small curated and considered collection so it means my wishlist is often added to and culled. I'm really thankful that you did this comparison though because I've done my own research of each of the reproductions of the deck and I found Scarlet Imprint to be the closest, plus I've been aware of their printing reputation for years now (so in love). Then again, there's only so much one can accomplish through online research unfortunately. Truly, thanks for this comparison and insight, you've given me thoughts to mull over.
Well done on keeping your collection focused :) I am working on it as I continue to downsize :D Do we know how the Scarlet Imprint's version compares to the original in the museum? I mean, them claiming their own to be the best repro does not count for me hehe :P Berti's version is still charming in my opinion. Especially if you want to read with it. Not sure how anyone can since the deck is such a mystery. But if one were to, I am thinking the "brightness" of the reproduction might help to mitigate the "darkness" of the original? Not sure... Nice to hear from you Cat :)
I guess I'm basing my opinion on how pigment fades/disappears with time, specifically red (regardless if it was locked in a cool, dark place for 500 years without any possible use or gander - I worked as an archival librarian in the past and it's definitely hard to keep regulated). I see the Berti as a faithful reproduction of the cards in their current state, just by how the ink looks (red was the easiest pigment for artists to access, but it was also the fastest pigment to change color so it was often lathered on in the hopes that it would stay its color for longer....but when mixed - like into purple - the red pigment often degrades faster). I know with Il Menghello's reproduction he followed the same printing process as the creator as per museum instructions, and Scarlet Imprint is trying to keep to the original coloring as when created (you'd hope they've done their research on the palate of that time). What I do find interesting is the use of blue. It was often a hard pigment to source and during the Medieval-Renaissance period, the color was specifically used for holy images because of the expense. It is also very rare to see such a vibrant blue on parchment so whoever was the benefactor of the Sola Busca was a very rich patron indeed. But you're right in that we won't truly know unless we see it in person. ;)
Aahhh.... INTERESTING! There are some videos above in the description box with glimpses of the cards during an exhibition. But sadly, they are exactly that.... Glimpses....
I am not sure but I think all the backs have splash on dark red but the two edition might have scan a different card in 78 different backs. Tell me if you know! ;) But it seems modern. Not sure the backs are originals or added early 20th?
Hello! This video is almost 4 years old and I have moved away from such intense deep dive into the investigation of tarot history and reproduction for about 2 years now. I don't use notes, so everything is either here on my channel or in my head 😅From what I remember looking at the images of the actual cards at the museum in Italy which you can find online, the back of the cards are indeed this way. Check out the ITALIAN TV link in my description section above. BUT. Whether one, or both, are direct facsimile, OR a recreation to be as close as possible to the original, I am not sure. There is also the matter of time line when reproducing. Which part of the time like do you reproduce? When they are new, or as in the condition they are found today? Which will mean deterioration of the "original" due to oxidations etc. Either way, what they have here looks very much like the original, and to answer your question perhaps: They are not a modern design 😁 Thank you for watching, and commenting, and leaving this video a thumbs up! This will help this video's circulation under RUclips's current regime.
What beautiful decks. I haven't explored the Sola Busca yet (or the Marseilles for that matter) - something to look into in the new year. Thanks for this thoughtful walk-through.
I have the Berti's version in the box. It's a rigid not a tuck box, and the box is too big so the cards move around alot in it. It's slightly cheaper then the book version. I guess if you want a tuck box for it you could make one with card stock. I keep my cards lying down so it's not that big of a issue with it. I like the cards a lot. I tend to use it for creative work.
Hello hello hello :) Yes, I took a much needed short break :D If not owing this video to some, I would still be in hibernation :P I still owe some folks book reviews too :) As well as trying to read a bit more on Lucifer, some grimoire, and various things from Scarlet Imprint, some stuff about Western magical tradition, history... to name a few other areas of interests I am currently embarking. This means making less video and reading more books :D So I can come back with reviews. But I doubt I can stay away the fun of tarot tags and such :P We shall see!! :D Thanks for popping around :)
I've heard from collectors of all of the versions that they are quite impressed with her deck in terms of card stock and image clarity . It is more for reading. You can't read with those Major historical figures. She has digitally reworked the Majors and pretty much left the Minors alone with some small changes. I'm looking forward to having the Repros and this deck to play with. I am getting the Scarlet and the Meneghello. Also, the book with the Meneghello. But as a collector, I understand your reaction. Berti had a similar reaction to Lisa on her video responses, as you can imagine. Thanks as always for such wonderful, thoughtful videos. Anne
anne robinson Well. As I said, her deck isn’t the Sola Busa, it is Waite Smith, for all intents and purposes. Reading with it is reading with Waite’s and Golden Dawn’s tarot. Whatever the Sola Busca was created for and whatever intentions behind the Sola Busca may be, the “Revisited” has eliminate them. So, “revisited” is a marketable catchy term, but a misleading one.
Deborah Meyer Is yours the Meyer 1998? Giordano Berti’s edition is based on the Meyer 1998 but Berti of course oversaw his version. Any info on your deck’s packaging and booklet?
Nobody Here, Yes, mine is the 1998 version by Wolfgang Mayer.( I see I misspelled his name.) It's quite nice, but I'm not crazy about the stark white backs. I also have the Scarlet Imprint version. It's beautiful as well! I love the Historical Decks. Thank you for all of your wonderful videos! ❤
Deborah Meyer I can never remember Mayer or Meyer 😐 😬 Ah there it is then. I have never seen the Mayer 1998 Edition other than on Berti’s own site as he pointed out the differences between Mayer 1998’s and the version he is producing 😊 So now I know the backs of that one is plain white 😊 Thanks for that! Either way I think the “content” of this deck is fascinating!!! It is one of the most interesting study deck I have ever owned! Not something I would read with as I feel there are so much more to explore in terms of occult history more than anything. And that, might inform us in reading other historical decks that are actually Tarocchi 😬 Thanks for dropping by!
I’ve moved on from tarot collecting and studies few years ago. If you care to investigate I would it if you could share you conclusion here for those who are watching and reading. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Well. I can't. Or rather, won't. Not right now anyway. Because from what I can see, some who tried or are "reading" with these often imposed the RWS system onto it. And I feel that this approach obliterates what the Sola Busca is really about. I could be wrong. Maybe there are some out there who are "reading" with these simply "intuitively". Like scrying, perhaps. Just see what you see and go with it, irrelevant of what the images are actually about. Which isn't how I generally "read" cards :) So there is that :) Having said that, we can read the content of a shopping bag as I was saying to someone. But, I draw the line at scrying :) It's just not what I am called to do :)
As a good Catholic, I do not read but simply use these decks for study. The hard bound version of the book is sold out. I just purchased the Scarlet Imprint versions of the deck and text. It is all of your fault!😃 Please, I am teasing! I understand your style. GOD BLESS YOU!
Haha :P Speaking of good Catholics (which I am not one hee hee), have you heard of "Meditation on the Tarot: A Journey Into Christian Hermeticism"? :) Apparently it was photographed on the desk of Pope John Paul II :D Seemed to be a favourite among some magicians (not the top hat, bunny rabbits, stage sort) too. Bless you too :)
I try an experiment with reading here using a 12 house spread - (NB: it is in French, but google translate is not too bad) www.traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=964
clare5 one Did you manage to check out my read of of the Preface and Intro of The Game of Saturn? From the little that I know of it, the answer from me would probably be yes 🙂 But I am hardly a Sola Busca scholar 🙃
Sorry, but I am using these for study only. So how dark is dark? Like a Ouija board? I have not opened the text, only the little book with the deck. Time to pack it in salt after smudging?
clare5 one Yes, me too, study only that is. Which is why I asked if you have checked out my video which read out of the Preface and Intro of The Game of Saturn 🙂 I don't believe in that sort of "cleansing". As to how "dark" is dark, that is like asking me how ugly is ugly LOL 😛 Sorry I don't mean to sound flippant 🙃 But perhaps if you can at least check out the link which will lead you to a podcast interview with the author of The Game of Saturn, you might be in a more informed position to decide for yourself 🙂 For me, it is an artefact of a belief system, a time, and a culture. Although I allow myself to be open to possibilities, of spirits and such, I believe strongly in not giving those things power over me. So I am fine with the deck in my bedroom 🙂 for example, and not "cleanse" the deck in any way. They are just cards 🙃 But you should do what can help you more at ease Clare. For me, it is getting as much info about the deck as possible. The Game of Saturn helped me in that respect.
Thank you so much for your patience and kind knowledge. As Fr. Wu said "You are sealed in the Christ and there is no need to worry". I will checkout your Rx ASAP. I had the earlier cheap edition, (the smaller deck and the book has a yellow cover) in my house for 20-ish years. YIKES???🌹
NOTE: (1) I forgot to mention that the lamination on the Scarlet Imprint edition appeared to be more matte compared to that of Giordano Berti, although, Berti's version is NOT at all reflective, glossy, or shiny. (2) The Mayer (1998) edition has blank backs :)
Ohhhh! Cannot wait to watch this tonight!!! More thoughts to come!
I somehow thought that you must have already owned one! :D Can't wait to hear more thoughts from you :)
Loved the video comparison and appreciate your thoughts on this beautiful deck! I do have the Scarlet Imprint deck and book - I love them, so nice to see them compared :)
It is nice to "hear" you again 😀 I look forward to more about the books you mentioned in the reply to "Sue L" ☮️
Hello! :D Yes. I tried to make a video in response to Simon's #TarotShelf tag and failed miserably! Logistics mostly. In any case after dropping several of my more precious decks from a great height, and having my lower back numb trying to dig out stuff on the floor level, I thought best not to tempt fate, and go with the flow. The flow seems to be going elsewhere these days :D I hope I am not biting more than I can chew :P These are books mainly from practitioners' perspective, the "magically literate" one blurb says. I am certainly not one of them. But, geared with my fading memory of Anthropology 101 about participant observation, I am attempting to finally practice this principle on a book-reading level :D Wish me luck! :D I think I might need it! Ha! :D
I wish you luck 😀 Hope you get well soon, enjoy reading 🤓, and maybe read/talk with/to us soon ☮️
Oooh I was about to send you a message to see how you were! Hello again!
I've been holding out on the Scarlet Imprint's Sola Busca Tarot for months now and I know it's limited, but hrm...life (😭) and that I'm only wanting a small curated and considered collection so it means my wishlist is often added to and culled. I'm really thankful that you did this comparison though because I've done my own research of each of the reproductions of the deck and I found Scarlet Imprint to be the closest, plus I've been aware of their printing reputation for years now (so in love). Then again, there's only so much one can accomplish through online research unfortunately. Truly, thanks for this comparison and insight, you've given me thoughts to mull over.
Well done on keeping your collection focused :) I am working on it as I continue to downsize :D Do we know how the Scarlet Imprint's version compares to the original in the museum? I mean, them claiming their own to be the best repro does not count for me hehe :P Berti's version is still charming in my opinion. Especially if you want to read with it. Not sure how anyone can since the deck is such a mystery. But if one were to, I am thinking the "brightness" of the reproduction might help to mitigate the "darkness" of the original? Not sure... Nice to hear from you Cat :)
PS: I am currently on a Scarlet Imprint book binge :P Only found out about them recently :D Their printing reputation is so deserved!
I guess I'm basing my opinion on how pigment fades/disappears with time, specifically red (regardless if it was locked in a cool, dark place for 500 years without any possible use or gander - I worked as an archival librarian in the past and it's definitely hard to keep regulated). I see the Berti as a faithful reproduction of the cards in their current state, just by how the ink looks (red was the easiest pigment for artists to access, but it was also the fastest pigment to change color so it was often lathered on in the hopes that it would stay its color for longer....but when mixed - like into purple - the red pigment often degrades faster). I know with Il Menghello's reproduction he followed the same printing process as the creator as per museum instructions, and Scarlet Imprint is trying to keep to the original coloring as when created (you'd hope they've done their research on the palate of that time).
What I do find interesting is the use of blue. It was often a hard pigment to source and during the Medieval-Renaissance period, the color was specifically used for holy images because of the expense. It is also very rare to see such a vibrant blue on parchment so whoever was the benefactor of the Sola Busca was a very rich patron indeed.
But you're right in that we won't truly know unless we see it in person. ;)
Aahhh.... INTERESTING! There are some videos above in the description box with glimpses of the cards during an exhibition. But sadly, they are exactly that.... Glimpses....
I am not sure but I think all the backs have splash on dark red but the two edition might have scan a different card in 78 different backs. Tell me if you know! ;)
But it seems modern. Not sure the backs are originals or added early 20th?
Hello! This video is almost 4 years old and I have moved away from such intense deep dive into the investigation of tarot history and reproduction for about 2 years now. I don't use notes, so everything is either here on my channel or in my head 😅From what I remember looking at the images of the actual cards at the museum in Italy which you can find online, the back of the cards are indeed this way. Check out the ITALIAN TV link in my description section above.
BUT. Whether one, or both, are direct facsimile, OR a recreation to be as close as possible to the original, I am not sure. There is also the matter of time line when reproducing. Which part of the time like do you reproduce? When they are new, or as in the condition they are found today? Which will mean deterioration of the "original" due to oxidations etc. Either way, what they have here looks very much like the original, and to answer your question perhaps: They are not a modern design 😁
Thank you for watching, and commenting, and leaving this video a thumbs up! This will help this video's circulation under RUclips's current regime.
very nice) please tell where did you buy this tarot?
Please see the description section under the video. Thank you.
What beautiful decks. I haven't explored the Sola Busca yet (or the Marseilles for that matter) - something to look into in the new year. Thanks for this thoughtful walk-through.
Hello Brian :) Thanks for stopping by! It is a FASCINATING deck!
I have the Berti's version in the box. It's a rigid not a tuck box, and the box is too big so the cards move around alot in it. It's slightly cheaper then the book version. I guess if you want a tuck box for it you could make one with card stock. I keep my cards lying down so it's not that big of a issue with it.
I like the cards a lot. I tend to use it for creative work.
Ah of course! I was not sure what alternative box edition he has but from memory I remember it looking more compact :) Thanks for the correction!
How are you? Haven't seen you post a video for awhile. I only have the GB version. Nice to see the comparison. Thank you!
Hello hello hello :) Yes, I took a much needed short break :D If not owing this video to some, I would still be in hibernation :P I still owe some folks book reviews too :) As well as trying to read a bit more on Lucifer, some grimoire, and various things from Scarlet Imprint, some stuff about Western magical tradition, history... to name a few other areas of interests I am currently embarking. This means making less video and reading more books :D So I can come back with reviews. But I doubt I can stay away the fun of tarot tags and such :P We shall see!! :D Thanks for popping around :)
Nobody Here welcome back. Can't wait to see more videos on your new interest. Keep us posted.
Will do! :D Thanks for the friendly hello :) It means a lot :)
I've heard from collectors of all of the versions that they are quite impressed with her deck in terms of card stock and image clarity . It is more for reading. You can't read with those Major historical figures. She has digitally reworked the Majors and pretty much left the Minors alone with some small changes. I'm looking forward to having the Repros and this deck to play with. I am getting the Scarlet and the Meneghello. Also, the book with the Meneghello. But as a collector, I understand your reaction. Berti had a similar reaction to Lisa on her video responses, as you can imagine. Thanks as always for such wonderful, thoughtful videos. Anne
anne robinson Well. As I said, her deck isn’t the Sola Busa, it is Waite Smith, for all intents and purposes. Reading with it is reading with Waite’s and Golden Dawn’s tarot. Whatever the Sola Busca was created for and whatever intentions behind the Sola Busca may be, the “Revisited” has eliminate them. So, “revisited” is a marketable catchy term, but a misleading one.
She is very clear to say hers is not a deck for collectors or historians who want to keep to the original images.
I am glad! :D Please do share how you are enjoying your incoming two version of this deck!! :D
Still putting off doing videos but getting closer. Thanks.
I am cheering you on! Do let us know how you go, somehow :D No pressure though! :)
My backs are plain white on the deck I have from Giordano Berti, which is the Meyer deck. Can someone explain the differences here? I'm confused!
Deborah Meyer Is yours the Meyer 1998? Giordano Berti’s edition is based on the Meyer 1998 but Berti of course oversaw his version. Any info on your deck’s packaging and booklet?
Nobody Here, Yes, mine is the 1998 version by Wolfgang Mayer.( I see I misspelled his name.) It's quite nice, but I'm not crazy about the stark white backs. I also have the Scarlet Imprint version. It's beautiful as well! I love the Historical Decks. Thank you for all of your wonderful videos! ❤
Deborah Meyer I can never remember Mayer or Meyer 😐 😬 Ah there it is then. I have never seen the Mayer 1998 Edition other than on Berti’s own site as he pointed out the differences between Mayer 1998’s and the version he is producing 😊 So now I know the backs of that one is plain white 😊 Thanks for that! Either way I think the “content” of this deck is fascinating!!! It is one of the most interesting study deck I have ever owned! Not something I would read with as I feel there are so much more to explore in terms of occult history more than anything. And that, might inform us in reading other historical decks that are actually Tarocchi 😬 Thanks for dropping by!
Is that black material of the box leather or something else? Thanks, Anne
Sorry Anne I only see this now :/ Notifications don't seem to always work! No it is not leather, but textured like reptilian skin :)
Contact the company and ask if the back if the scarlet edition is original! Both two could be a fake🎉
I’ve moved on from tarot collecting and studies few years ago. If you care to investigate I would it if you could share you conclusion here for those who are watching and reading. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Please, can one read with these cards?
Well. I can't. Or rather, won't. Not right now anyway. Because from what I can see, some who tried or are "reading" with these often imposed the RWS system onto it. And I feel that this approach obliterates what the Sola Busca is really about. I could be wrong. Maybe there are some out there who are "reading" with these simply "intuitively". Like scrying, perhaps. Just see what you see and go with it, irrelevant of what the images are actually about. Which isn't how I generally "read" cards :) So there is that :) Having said that, we can read the content of a shopping bag as I was saying to someone. But, I draw the line at scrying :) It's just not what I am called to do :)
As a good Catholic, I do not read but simply use these decks for study. The hard bound version of the book is sold out. I just purchased the Scarlet Imprint versions of the deck and text. It is all of your fault!😃 Please, I am teasing! I understand your style. GOD BLESS YOU!
Haha :P Speaking of good Catholics (which I am not one hee hee), have you heard of "Meditation on the Tarot: A Journey Into Christian Hermeticism"? :) Apparently it was photographed on the desk of Pope John Paul II :D Seemed to be a favourite among some magicians (not the top hat, bunny rabbits, stage sort) too. Bless you too :)
I WILL CHECK THAT OUT ASAP.🌼
I try an experiment with reading here using a 12 house spread - (NB: it is in French, but google translate is not too bad)
www.traditiontarot.com/viewtopic.php?id=964
My deck set arrived. It seems that the history of this deck is pagan, magical, and dark??? It that true???🌹
clare5 one Did you manage to check out my read of of the Preface and Intro of The Game of Saturn? From the little that I know of it, the answer from me would probably be yes 🙂 But I am hardly a Sola Busca scholar 🙃
Sorry, but I am using these for study only. So how dark is dark? Like a Ouija board? I have not opened the text, only the little book with the deck. Time to pack it in salt after smudging?
clare5 one Yes, me too, study only that is. Which is why I asked if you have checked out my video which read out of the Preface and Intro of The Game of Saturn 🙂 I don't believe in that sort of "cleansing". As to how "dark" is dark, that is like asking me how ugly is ugly LOL 😛 Sorry I don't mean to sound flippant 🙃 But perhaps if you can at least check out the link which will lead you to a podcast interview with the author of The Game of Saturn, you might be in a more informed position to decide for yourself 🙂 For me, it is an artefact of a belief system, a time, and a culture. Although I allow myself to be open to possibilities, of spirits and such, I believe strongly in not giving those things power over me. So I am fine with the deck in my bedroom 🙂 for example, and not "cleanse" the deck in any way. They are just cards 🙃 But you should do what can help you more at ease Clare. For me, it is getting as much info about the deck as possible. The Game of Saturn helped me in that respect.
Thank you so much for your patience and kind knowledge. As Fr. Wu said "You are sealed in the Christ and there is no need to worry". I will checkout your Rx ASAP. I had the earlier cheap edition, (the smaller deck and the book has a yellow cover) in my house for 20-ish years. YIKES???🌹
clare5 one 🙃 There is nothing wrong with that 🙂 Not sure which edition that is, from 20 or so years ago. Way before my time in Tarot! 😅