I like that you waited and showed us how it turned out. So many youtubers would show just the first half and never do the follow up. Looking forward to watching those cuttings grow. Thanks for sharing.
I had the same experience in 2007, my large beautiful Fuyu persimmon was loaded with fruit and two joined branched cleaved with the cut going deeply into the trunk. I lightened it up by removing the fruit and the smaller branches, then believe it or not, I treated like a wound, put some mud at the joint, wrapped it with paper and cloth, I saw some ants crawling and thought it was done. You should see it now, you can hardly see where it was cleaved in half, the wound is completely healed and has given tremendous amount of fruit.
Amazing... thanks for sharing that! I've read that the Fuyu are prone to splitting when they get heavy laden. I'm going to try to keep my new ones pruned back a little.
Pretty cool. I picked four ripe wild persimmons yesterday, from a tree that was loaded down. I have never seen them rippen this early in the year. It's normally around our first frost when they rippen.
Wish me luck! Northern Virginia-zone 7. Last May I bought 3 persimmon bare roots online: $35 each for two “4 foot” and $60 for one “6-7 feet fruiting size.” Ouch!!! They showed up moist and immediately showed evidence of fungus, then bugs. I planted them in deep holes in our pretty clayish soil. Two holes drained, one did not. To remind myself to care for them, I named them after our beloved Japanese nannies in the 1950s. I lost the big tree, which had drained well and had been the first one to leaf, to overwatering, ironically. So this month, October, I cut snippets from the little branches on the two remaining trees, which are now 5.5 feet and 7 feet, hoping to root my own. Although they are supposedly both Hachiya, leaves on one grow very close to the trunk which produces no branches, so it looks like a tall rock candy stick. The buds are closer than an inch to each other so i found it difficult to cut a piece of branch to stick in the potting soil. I’m trying anyway. They are in a mixture of sand, peat, and potting soil in 8 tall transparent green plastic cups I drilled small drain holes into. The peat probably wasn’t a good idea, but I’ll keep the 8 cups sitting in less than an inch of water until I see some leaves or roots. NO store or nursery in my county sells persimmon trees, so in about 3 years I could have a little business going!
I hope everything works out for you. Do some research on the root stock needed for persimmons. I remember reading something that Asian Persimmons need to be grafted to American Persimmon root stock for root rot, and other issues. I haven't done any grafting yet, but you may want to research that to make sure your efforts aren't in vain. Hope that helps, alan homesteadadvisor.com/
One Woman & Two Acres I heard the weather man say last night that patterns are shaping up for another possible "Polar Vortex" like last winter... could be another cold one :(
Got it from the Farmer's Almanac. Yikes! Just glad I have a greenhouse. Thanks for that video! I even did a Cockeyed Cottage style one and videoed it... To say the least, the place lives up to it's name....
Appears there is sun scal that has taken place on the SW side of the tree. We planted 850 trees lost them to that in the mid 90’s. Like your rooting technique. Thanks for sharing.
TexasPrepper2 took the trees about four years to keep dying back to the point no long productive. The multiple sprouts coming out bunched up at the top is not good not enough good wood for the future to support the new limbs and fruit. Encourage sprouts from below the top area to be the new growth then prune according.
It's not your fault the persimmon tree fell over. Even Obozo will tell you "Someone else made it happen." LOL. Let's blame it on Larry Hall, LMAO. Thanks for sharing your wisdom, and we love you Larry Hall.
I wonder if the persimmons on that big broken limb would have rippened, since they were getting a little bit of sap. I've heard that apple will do that, but I'm not sure about persimmons. Also, summer is the time to propogate by cuttings for other fruit trees, but again, I'm not sure about persimmons. I do think the cuttings would have done better if kept out of direct sun...given sun light, but not direct rays. Great videos, TP2.
I know this video is 11 years old now, but I just wanted to say that you need to knock off some of the fruit from your young fruit trees when the fruit is just developing. This serves two purposes: 1. It keeps the branches from getting too heavy and breaking under the weight of the fruit (as you learned first hand ) and 2. It allows the rest of the fruit to develop to full size since their are fewer fruits to supply nutrients and water to. This was one of the hardest things for me to learn growing fruit trees: that I have to sacrifice some of the fruit in order to get a good harvest, and as trees mature they will produce more fruit. The principle behind it is not to get greedy when you see a tree overloaded with fruit. Since it's been 11 years now, you've probably already figured all this out for yourself, but I wanted to leave a comment for others who might not know this yet. I'm in Texas too (Lubbock). Looks like you might be in East Texas somewhere.
Yep... ETX I usually thin fruit somewhat, but I've since learned that Persimmons are very bad about breaking limbs Not sure why, but it's something I read Thanks for the comment, Tait :)
There is a video on utube of a man that uses a plastic jug with about an inch of water in it. He clips the persimmon cuttings just short enough to fit in the jug. He cuts all the leaves off leaving the bud shoots. He puts the cutting in the jug with the bottom of the clipping in the water. He puts a lid on the jug and opens it every day or two to let oxygen in. He sets the jug in a warm shaded area. After a couple weeks the clippings start to get white spots on the bark. Then he takes the cuttings out and places them in a pot, pushing the cutting about 2/3rds the way down into the soil.
I asked 2 years ago if you tried to propagate any more and you stated NOT YET. Have you tried any more after two years and if so do you have a video on how to do it effectively? Thanks for a reply, Harlan Parrott Sr.
No, I have not tried to propagate persimmons any more. I've done figs, grapes and blackberries recently, but not persimmons. My nursery guy said persimmons were VERY hard to root... so I just haven't tried since he told me that.
@@BIGALTX Sorry to hear that. Can you tell me the very sweet seedless grapes you grow that will do well in Baton Rouge La? P.S. One thing I have noticed about my persimmon trees: They live even in this swampy heavy rained area in my yard in Baton Rouge. The fig trees just drowned. Please dig deep and try persimmons again with maybe some cuttings. Thanks, and Jesus bless, Harlan Parrott Sr.
How did your cuttings do? I have a pretty big persimmon tree in my yard ,and I'm wondering and thinking of doing this so I can give little trees to some friend and neighbors . Thanks for any updates. We live in zone 9a in South Mississippi.
They didn't take. It was the wrong time of year... summer. I've never had much luck with propagation in the summer. Fall and winter is better in my climate. Also, I was told persimmons are very hard to get to root...
Have you succeeded? How's the fruit? My neighbour's persimmon tree produces the best fruit. So instead of buying one I'm thinking of growing some cuttings. Some persimmons didn't taste good. Thanks for the tutorial. ☀🌈❤
You might also want to apply tree paint on your trees. A lot of your original tree's bark got burnt and died. It definitely would have weakened your tree.
Did this work? Seeing buds come out doesn't mean that roots actually formed. Please let us know if you did actually get roots growing from the cuttings. It's been several years since you posted the video, so you should have some young trees if it worked.
You don't have to score the base of the twigs first before you dip them into the Dip-N-Grow and planting them onto the potting soil? Also, after you planted those twigs into the pot do you keep them in the sunlight or inside your house? Do they need sunlight at all to start growing leaves and start rooting? If so, is keeping them in front of a window with some sparse sunlight a good idea? If you could answer my questions I would appreciate it very much because yesterday I clipped off a bunch of persimmon twigs that I want to grow into trees. I have since kept those twigs in water and I wonder if they would grow roots if I leave them in the water for next few weeks.
First... Persimmons are REALLY hard to propagate. My nurseryman told me they were difficult. Not sure you HAVE to score them, but it might help... not sure. In the winter, I would probably just leave outside, but you're climate might be different. Check with your county Ag Agent. Sunlight would be needed when they start to bud, but not while they are "rooting" (i don't think)
@@BIGALTX Okay, thanks for the advice! Even though you said they are difficult to propagate you seem to be doing alright with yours though. Congrats man!
So, if you root a cutting from a Fuyu and plant it, will it have the characteristics of a grafted Fuyu you can buy from a nursery? I would assume that if the cutting would have been as good as the grafted version, the nurseries would sell rooted cuttings as that is easier to develop.
It should have the same characteristics, but maybe not the same hardiness. Root stocks (on just about any fruit) are grafted on to give certain advantages.
I hope you trimmed the rough top off so it can heal over cleanly and seal it wound repair or wax. i use a commode ring it is the cheapest grafting wax one can find , under 2 dollars ,and is easy to use . you will need a rag or towel to wipe the wax of your fingers . i will have to look to see if you did a follow up .
Your tree had to be pretty weak to break like that. Our Fuyu is a heavy producer but it doesn't even deflect under the weight of the fruit, let alone break. You need to give it hard pruning every February to keep it producing sturdy limbs and new growth.
This just happened to my tree 😕. I found your video while looking for a way to save it. Luckily it's just one limb and not the whole tree. I'm going to try to propagate it and save the tree. Did you put anything on the tree itself after you cut the limbs off? I've seen other videos where they said not to leave the "wound" exposed.
I’m curious what is your tree grafted because if it was your cuttings even if they do route probably will not survive at least not in colder temperatures. The other thing not surprised about your new growth. You’ve got the same root system pushing out new growth so it will only take off on you. Hopefully you’ll show us later if you get roots or not and if your tree was a grafted tree
Beautiful but what happens when your green thumb died away? I bought a tree and it died on me because I had to move it. Then I got cuttings from a beautiful tree that was killed but my cuttings failed. I still don't ave a persimmon tree in my land. Guess I will have to keep on trying. It's no joke my green thumb is dead. I mean I have a peach tree that fills with hundreds of flowers each spring and each flower becomes a fruit but two months later, they are all on the floor and not one of the fruits make it. Between the squirrels and my wilted thumb I'm lucky if I can bite into a green peach.
When you showed the new growth on the broken down fuyu, the leaves close to the stem were somewhat curled inwards. I have the same problem with a very young persimmon I grow in a pot.. but I never found any solution to that problem.. Do you know what to do about it or do I just have to wait until the tree gets big?
Unfortunately, this happened while it was still summer. The cuttings didn't take. Summer (in TX) is not a good time to propagate. I've had very little success with summer propagation. I like to do it in the fall/winter
@@BIGALTX sorry to hear that. It did look that your tree would survive. BTW, love the silhouette pic of bird that was part of your email response.. beautiful
I have tried just about every way I can think of to propagate persimmons. I’ve had some luck grafting them. No luck getting them to root either by air layering, ground layering, root cuttings etc. The only way I found has much luck at all is planting seeds and then grafting the seedling once it comes up. Curious to see if you’ve ever had any luck getting persimmons to root? Trying now to stool some D. kaki shoots to see if that’s much use.
Liked your video. Could any of those branches be grafted into the solid trunk ? What's the thickest branch that you can graft, I wonder. Guess I have to do more research. Thank GOD for online availability.
I live in Buffalo and a lot of trees came down because of the amount of snow and low temps. In spring the days can be 50-80 degrees and at night in the 40s-60's currently. I've been snipping branches of trees being thrown away, because the tops are still alive, like yours. Would you suggest waiting for warmer weather or keeping the cuttings inside until temp is steady 60 or up degrees? I'm getting roots in water from some but am afraid to leave them out at night. I'd rather do soil method but it's too much for me to carry everything in on cold nights.
Monique Ski Not sure of the variety of trees you're talking about, but you could probably do either. Just make sure you mist them several times a day. Let me know how it goes...
Looks like you are going to have a lot of persimmon trees. Keep us updated on how they do. The branches from the mother tree lying on the ground were still receiving nourishment. I just wonder if you could have also Air-layer Propagated some branches on them? You are very lucky the mother tree made such a great come back. Take care and thank you for the video.
Not in the heat... I would say when the tree goes dormant (if they go dormant in Houston). When the leaves fall off and they look dead... I would propagate then.
You have to keep the soil moist at all times, and try to mist the tops of them. Persimmons are extremely hard to root. These, as I remember it, were not a success. If I’m rooting cuttings now, I only do it in the fall and winter. Summer is a terrible time.
hii, texas preper2 how is the persimmon cutting propagation? did it work ? i can't find your follow up of this video, it is already 2 whole years.. appreciate it if you tell me if it works or not. thx
He didn't lose it, after he cut the main branches off it showed only 50% of the limbs were dead, that's why they were still healthy weeks after the break. It may not have been pretty but he could have left it to grow like that, at least to the the current fruit set ripen before pruning - stress like that on a plant often causes it to put extra energy into what might be it's only chance at a reproductive phase.
I START A LOT OF STUFF ALSO LOVE WATCHING YOUR MISTER SYSTEM . now that it is winter how has the persimmon fared ? can't grow Asian persimmons up here in pa, they are a lot like mulberry's and they can be started from cuttings , please let me know how they turn out , I often have things leaf out and grow for months only to find out that they have no roots
I don't think the persimmons made it... I haven't looked at the roots yet, but the tops dried out several months ago. It was just NOT the right time to try to propagate them... but it was worth a try...
The mix ratio is listed on the package. The cup they provide has markings on it to show how much water to add. There is one ratio for "hardwood" cuttings and one for "softwood" cuttings
What a great loss :( ... I sort of feel your pain as I had a beautiful Fuyu growing in my backyard, but all of a sudden over a very short period, I lost the Tree (I think due to a Blight but too ignorant to recognize and take action). It was such a heart breaker but glad to see yours have a happy ending. I am restarting again with Jiro and a Fuyu this Fall. I was curious, if you didn't cut the broken limbs with all the fruit since they were still green several days after the episode, if you could have ripen those fruit laying like that.
@@Leetee1983 If it is American persimmons in usa yes. If it was oriental persimmons they have to be grafted on top of american persimons or they will probably die.
Greg Horne Thanks you Greg, The fruit looks exactly like your fruits and then I germinated success and I got 3 trees now. It’s now 8 inches, what fertiliser it prefers Greg? And how long it will bear food? 🤗 is it 7 years 😅!?
All my personal experience and the text books indicate taking cuttings on Japanese persimmon is impossible. Did you actually manage to get any of your cuttings to take? I always get 100% failure on this tree and must use Diospyros lotus root stock then graft the Fuyu to it.
Thanks for the reply. You had me curious because they always ended in complete failure for me even when bottom heat was used. They will graft to seedlings though if you can find a seeded variety around. Bill
@@GreenGardenGuy1 I've read that Asian varieties will graft to the eastern persimmon, but not the Texas persimmon, which produces fruit that is smaller and black when ripe.
@@yellowdog762jb All of the commercial trees are on Diospyros lotus. This is done because it is highly compatible. I suspect eastern Persimmon is hardier in cold climates though.
I don’t think I ever successfully propagated a persimmon. After doing this, I learned that they are extremely hard to propagate even for the professionals.
is it typical for all of the cuttings to loose the leaves that you allow to stay on it? I have some cutting from a camellia tree and Bay leave tree. The Camellias have all dropped off, the Bay leaves have not. but it has been at least a month. No buds yet.
ayatti26 Yes, all the leaves that I left on the cuttings had fallen off after a short while. It took several weeks before I could see any buds breaking out... wait a little longer and see if anything happens.
I live in Zone 7. I purchased a American Persimmon tree online & had no education before purchasing it. Is it true that I need 2 tree's in order for them to give fruit? The tree is surprisingly doing well and is very Healthy.
I don't think you need a pollinator for an American Persimmon. BUT.. this article says you might: www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/fruits/persimmon/growing-american-persimmons.htm I really don't know, because this article seems to say there are Male and Female trees. I didn't know that till I read the article. You'll need to do more research. I really like the Asian Persimmons. Check them out
@@BIGALTX Thanks for replying. I had no clue about male & female. I noticed the American Persimmon I received is marked Female. I guess I have to buy a Male🤔
@@jacquelines3685 You might try to get an Asian Persimmon tree to pollinate your female AM Persimmon. Not sure if they WILL cross pollinate, but you should check with a good nursery and see. I think you'll like the Asian Persimmon better than the AMP
@@BIGALTX I'll give it a try. I'm in MD. Zone 7. I couldn't find a Persimmon tree anywhere & the company in Florida where I purchased the AM persimmon told me in my Zone AM Persimmon grows with better success. As I told you before I know absolutely nothing about Persimmon trees...just that I loved the fruit 🍑. Thanks for all your advice. Your a very nice person☺️
My question is : If the branches were still alive laying on the ground. Why/How come you Didn't prop them up on something and air layer the broken branches. I mean the fruit was a loss anyways for this year. but, next year you could of had fruit already with two new trees. Air layered. you could have girdled the branches about an inch. Got a five gallon bucket. Put splits down each side about half way. For branch to fit in, then took another bucket and cut it into two pieces with a lid on the top bucket. Then put branch through the bucket. Put other bucket inside first bucket and fill with dirt or sphagnum moss. fill to top with what ever you planned to use and put lid on. Wait 3 to 4 months up and to about 6 0r 7 months then check for roots. If plenty of roots. plant and wallah new trees. i know i'm too late. but if there's a next time. It might be a hint and help. trying to help not make fun or criticize. GeeSee's Life Adventures.
This channel is one of the first propagation videos I saw . And it's a good channel then I gravitated to Mile Kincade 's channel . . He has a video on propagating fig tree started June first and roots grew by August 15th on a very thick ( multi year old wood ) . My take is that summer is the right time to do hard wood cuttings You don't have to add artifical summer heat to the cutting like you do in Jan. Through April. Notice in this video all the half cut leaves on Texas Prepper2's persimmon fell off so my conclusion is ,best to plant hardwood cuttings w/o the leaves. . Soft wood cuttings . That's the cutting that are still have green outer bark . This year's new growth . The expert on that is Dan. Darn I forgot his last name The fig guy up north . MICHIGAN or Massachusetts where he leaves the leaves on and covers with a humidity tent during the summer. This channel show Mr Pepper's misting set up . Looks pretty simple and all automatic but in my case I don't have pressurized clean water for following Mr. PREPPER's2 EXCELLENT demonstration
Thanks for the tips and recommendations. Propagating IS different in the south vs the north. I don't propagate blackberries in the summer. It's always been a poor % for me in summer. Figs might be different. I may try it... thanks!
I'm in East Texas. I think it's best to propagate cuttings when the trees are fully dormant. That means probably January or February. hope that helps, alan homesteadadvisor.com/
Good day. Thank you for sharing your video ! Добрый день. Получилось ли вам получить корни.? Черенки хурмы вообще дают корни? Есть свидетельства укоренения хурмы у других авторов, можете ли вы дать на них ссылку (укоренения хурмы)? Good day. Did you get the roots.? Do persimmon cuttings give roots at all? There is evidence of persimmon rooting from other authors, can you give a link to them (persimmon rooting)?
My neighboring house across the street has several persimmons in the yard. They’re about 40 year old trees and massive. One fell last year and they let it sit because the house was for sale. My friends Son bought the property and he’s a deer hunter. The deer are always in that yard gobbling up the persimmons when they fall. Me being a Deer hunter and a lover of persimmons I need to get my rear over there and ask him if I can take some cuttings. Ive been meaning to do this……but next time I see him I’ll ask.
I have since found out that persimmons are a little more difficult than most trees to propagate. Make sure you do a lot of them just in case the percentage of success is low.
@@BIGALTX Thanks. Yeah I plan on doing about 100 cuts as I have a camp property that could use some fruit trees. I’m in north Ga so it’s pretty decent weather for these.
Also, I have found that summertime is not a good time to propagate. Your luck may be different than mine though, so it’s still worth a shot. If I were you, I would rig up a “misting system”. That will give you a much better chance of success. I have a few videos on misting systems if you want to search my channel for them.
I haven't read all the comments, but I'm very interested in this -- with persimmons, like cottonwoods, doesn't there have to be a male an female tree to grow the fruit?
I don't think there are female and male persimmons. They DO need a pollinator, I believe. A good nursery can tell you what other variety to buy as a pollinator.
Asian persimmon fruiting trees are generally female. The dark spots in the fruit are unfertilized seeds. You do not need, or want, a male tree in the area. Occasionally, a female tree will produce a male flower, which should be removed to avoid seeds in your fruit.
@@yedidyah-jedshlomoh1533 Female flowers are single. Male flowers occur in groups of three, occasionally in pairs. Sometimes they have some pink in them. My Fuyu has only produced a seeded fruit a couple of times in 8 to 10 years, so I don't bother even looking for male flowers. If it happened more often, then I would. I knew a guy with a commercial persimmon orchard. He checked pretty carefully since a few male flowers in the orchard could produce a lot of seeded fruit. There is a third type of flower called Perfect. It's self fruitful. I have not bothered to look for those either. Fuyu is a very old variety, I think they worked most of the "bugs" out of it centuries ago.
It’s not for sure after a month. Some stern can keeps fresh and bouncing a little bit of the life and got died after that. Wee like to see the roots. That’s all.
Have you done an update? So far, the only successful video of rooting a persimmon cutting that actually formed roots that I have seen on You tube were from heel cuttings where wood from this year growth were taken with a small foot of last year growth on the bottom. The rest of the procedure was like yours... out of 10 cuttings or so, at the time he did his follow up, he had some sprouts like yours, but he also had one with a root. I dont think he has done another update so dont know if it survived... I think he rushed the transplant just to show the success and make the video.
TexasPrepper2 I have tried persimmon cuttings a few times with no luck. I have found the best way is to find stolons growing from roots of existing trees shovel around them to cut the roots in the fall and then transplant them the next fall
hii jacob t, i believe your method works.. because is saw some rootstock put up a lot of sucker... those sucker if rooted can eventually become a new rootstock for you to graft it in.. but how to make them all grow root ? some suckers just not putting out root, they are root joined with the parent tree, however they themselve don't put up root.. what to do if they don't put up root of their own ? thanks.
andrew ysk their roots are all combined with the mother trees roots. That is why you go around when they are dormant and spade around the suckers. That divides the suckers roots from the mothers roots. Then you give it a year to grow roots before you go back and dig that plant up. Otherwise if you dug it up without giving it a year to grow more of its own roots it will not have enough of its own roots to survive being transplanted. If it does not have enough of the roots of its own to survive in the first place it will be dead by the time you come back to transplant it.
@@BIGALTX Thank you for your response. I see a few people claiming victory but none of them will show you the results, so I'm still skeptical. You just reinforced that for me.
@@MasterKenfucius My nursery guy (at Bob Wells Nursery) said persimmons were very hard to get a root system established. But, it's still worth a shot :) They do all their persimmons on grafts. That might be the best way... not sure
I think your going to come out alright. Nothing ventured nothing gained, my friend. The property we bought this year has apple trees that are in bad shape and I plan on trying to graft scions into the trunk. If they take I will have a much better shaped tree with a mature root system that should produce quicker than if I planted new saplings. If they don't take at least I tried. People all around me are criticizing the plan. Problem is that all of these people are sitting back doing nothing anyway. My wife says that the best way to get me to try something is for lazy people to tell me it can't be done.
This video was 7 years ago. If I remember right, they didn't make it. It was too hot. I have much less success propagating in the summer. Fall and winter is much better.
@@BIGALTX What a pity they didn’t make it. I have not had much success propagating any kind of fruit trees under mist mist. They usually defoliate and die before they have a chance to grow a good root system
When do you transplant the seedlings that made it? Can you do it at the one month point when they start leafing or is there a better time? I live in South Florida and persimmons are my favorite fruit, but I didn't have much luck growing them. Two of my young trees died so far....
+Maria Schultz The ROOT system is the key. Top growth can be deceiving. If it has a lot of green, but not much of a root system, it might not make it I like fall and spring to try to propagate. I haven't had much success in the summer.
did your fall cutting propagation works ? can you do a video on it.. even a short one of the time ofyear to do fruit tree (hardwood)cutting propagation that has promise ? thanks.
@@BIGALTX I already harvested mine and found a giante wild one loaded and everyday is a day for picking the ones that fall from the tree super ripen. Today I removed the pulp for pudim and icecream.
Persimmons don't grow from cuttings, even 3 month old air layers failed on my Fuyu. Grafting to your native rootstock is the way with these. Popular grafts to research are wedge, whip & tongue, chip bud, bark.
well that's not very reassuring for me as i have four air layers on a friend's fuyu tree right now, hoping like hell it takes lol. it's been on for a month and a half now. going to check around new year's, which for us here in new zealand is summer. i did four other layers on my mother in law's golden queen peach tree, regarded here as the best all round peach, just today
I hope you didn't girdle the limbs by removing a ring of bark? Those limbs I tried and had girdled, ripened the fruit but every limb died. All I got from the air layers were big callouses but not a single root. My first grafting was this year in Spring. Got a Hachiya to make it on a native with a bark graft. Going to do many grafts next Spring but probably concentrate on cleft grafting since bark grafts are bad to blow out in the wind.
Charlie- You probably did something wrong, because I have found several sites about propagating persimmons from cuttings. They say you need to cut about 1/4 inch round hard wood about 8 inches long. use rooting compound and plant them in container and water really good and cover them tightly with clear plastic to keep them moist. They need 12 hours of light. So you take them inside at night and use incandesant light or a grow light on them a few hours to supplement the daylight. I think they said you needed to use a thermometer and keep them between 75 and 90 degrees until they root. So I would assume that they need to be in partial shade when they are outside if it is hot so they don't overheat. One site said to cut them in late autumn (I guess when they are dormant) and to wax the ends and buried them in sand keeping them moist. The coming spring you plant them and they will grow. I assume you remove the wax from the bottom end before planting in spring.
Don't plant rooted Fuyu. They found out hundreds of years ago they would die from diseases they don't have in Japan. I grow local persimmons (South GA) and graft Fuyu on them. If you are air layering, remove all fruit from that limb so the energy will not go into the fruit instead of the roots. IMO
Mature trees don't need a lot of water (usually), so I don't water unless they show signs of really needing it. When they are young, I usually try to water once a week... deeply. Hope that helps. alan homesteadadvisor.com/
They can be, but it is very difficult. Almost all persimmon trees, you see for sale in nurseries, etc. have been grafted and propagated. But it is difficult
I like that you waited and showed us how it turned out. So many youtubers would show just the first half and never do the follow up. Looking forward to watching those cuttings grow. Thanks for sharing.
I had the same experience in 2007, my large beautiful Fuyu persimmon was loaded with fruit and two joined branched cleaved with the cut going deeply into the trunk. I lightened it up by removing the fruit and the smaller branches, then believe it or not, I treated like a wound, put some mud at the joint, wrapped it with paper and cloth, I saw some ants crawling and thought it was done. You should see it now, you can hardly see where it was cleaved in half, the wound is completely healed and has given tremendous amount of fruit.
Amazing... thanks for sharing that!
I've read that the Fuyu are prone to splitting when they get heavy laden.
I'm going to try to keep my new ones pruned back a little.
*Beautiful video* and love how you demonstrated how to use the Dip And Grow rooting hormone! 🤙👍
Thanks so much!
@@BIGALTXdid they root?
@@reneebrown2968 Not enough to be viable :(
Pretty cool. I picked four ripe wild persimmons yesterday, from a tree that was loaded down. I have never seen them rippen this early in the year. It's normally around our first frost when they rippen.
Joseph Fairlane I think we have another COLD winter coming :(
Wish me luck! Northern Virginia-zone 7. Last May I bought 3 persimmon bare roots online: $35 each for two “4 foot” and $60 for one “6-7 feet fruiting size.” Ouch!!!
They showed up moist and immediately showed evidence of fungus, then bugs. I planted them in deep holes in our pretty clayish soil. Two holes drained, one did not. To remind myself to care for them, I named them after our beloved Japanese nannies in the 1950s. I lost the big tree, which had drained well and had been the first one to leaf, to overwatering, ironically. So this month, October, I cut snippets from the little branches on the two remaining trees, which are now 5.5 feet and 7 feet, hoping to root my own. Although they are supposedly both Hachiya, leaves on one grow very close to the trunk which produces no branches, so it looks like a tall rock candy stick. The buds are closer than an inch to each other so i found it difficult to cut a piece of branch to stick in the potting soil. I’m trying anyway. They are in a mixture of sand, peat, and potting soil in 8 tall transparent green plastic cups I drilled small drain holes into. The peat probably wasn’t a good idea, but I’ll keep the 8 cups sitting in less than an inch of water until I see some leaves or roots.
NO store or nursery in my county sells persimmon trees, so in about 3 years I could have a little business going!
I hope everything works out for you.
Do some research on the root stock needed for persimmons.
I remember reading something that Asian Persimmons need to be grafted to American Persimmon root stock for root rot, and other issues.
I haven't done any grafting yet, but you may want to research that to make sure your efforts aren't in vain.
Hope that helps,
alan
homesteadadvisor.com/
That is a keeper of a persimmon tree! Can't wait to get some fruit trees in here... Have to live through another VERY cold winter first.....
One Woman & Two Acres I heard the weather man say last night that patterns are shaping up for another possible "Polar Vortex" like last winter... could be another cold one :(
Got it from the Farmer's Almanac. Yikes! Just glad I have a greenhouse. Thanks for that video! I even did a Cockeyed Cottage style one and videoed it... To say the least, the place lives up to it's name....
I always enjoy watching your videos,
Thanks Len!
Appears there is sun scal that has taken place on the SW side of the tree. We planted 850 trees lost them to that in the mid 90’s. Like your rooting technique. Thanks for sharing.
You lost ALL 850 TREES?!?!?
Wow... that's horrible !
TexasPrepper2 took the trees about four years to keep dying back to the point no long productive. The multiple sprouts coming out bunched up at the top is not good not enough good wood for the future to support the new limbs and fruit. Encourage sprouts from below the top area to be the new growth then prune according.
It's not your fault the persimmon tree fell over. Even Obozo will tell you "Someone else made it happen." LOL. Let's blame it on Larry Hall, LMAO. Thanks for sharing your wisdom, and we love you Larry Hall.
I wonder if the persimmons on that big broken limb would have rippened, since they were getting a little bit of sap. I've heard that apple will do that, but I'm not sure about persimmons. Also, summer is the time to propogate by cuttings for other fruit trees, but again, I'm not sure about persimmons. I do think the cuttings would have done better if kept out of direct sun...given sun light, but not direct rays. Great videos, TP2.
Nature is Amazing.
Amen :)
I know this video is 11 years old now, but I just wanted to say that you need to knock off some of the fruit from your young fruit trees when the fruit is just developing. This serves two purposes: 1. It keeps the branches from getting too heavy and breaking under the weight of the fruit (as you learned first hand ) and 2. It allows the rest of the fruit to develop to full size since their are fewer fruits to supply nutrients and water to.
This was one of the hardest things for me to learn growing fruit trees: that I have to sacrifice some of the fruit in order to get a good harvest, and as trees mature they will produce more fruit. The principle behind it is not to get greedy when you see a tree overloaded with fruit.
Since it's been 11 years now, you've probably already figured all this out for yourself, but I wanted to leave a comment for others who might not know this yet.
I'm in Texas too (Lubbock). Looks like you might be in East Texas somewhere.
Yep... ETX
I usually thin fruit somewhat, but I've since learned that Persimmons are very bad about breaking limbs
Not sure why, but it's something I read
Thanks for the comment, Tait :)
I got a Fuyu and American persimmons thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Very cool!
Glad I could help 😎
There is a video on utube of a man that uses a plastic jug with about an inch of water in it. He clips the persimmon cuttings just short enough to fit in the jug. He cuts all the leaves off leaving the bud shoots. He puts the cutting in the jug with the bottom of the clipping in the water. He puts a lid on the jug and opens it every day or two to let oxygen in. He sets the jug in a warm shaded area. After a couple weeks the clippings start to get white spots on the bark. Then he takes the cuttings out and places them in a pot, pushing the cutting about 2/3rds the way down into the soil.
I asked 2 years ago if you tried to propagate any more and you stated NOT YET.
Have you tried any more after two years and if so do you have a video on how to do it effectively?
Thanks for a reply,
Harlan Parrott Sr.
No, I have not tried to propagate persimmons any more.
I've done figs, grapes and blackberries recently, but not persimmons.
My nursery guy said persimmons were VERY hard to root... so I just haven't tried since he told me that.
@@BIGALTX Sorry to hear that.
Can you tell me the very sweet seedless grapes you grow that will do well in Baton Rouge La?
P.S. One thing I have noticed about my persimmon trees:
They live even in this swampy heavy rained area in my yard in Baton Rouge.
The fig trees just drowned.
Please dig deep and try persimmons again with maybe some cuttings.
Thanks, and Jesus bless,
Harlan Parrott Sr.
I have 5 persimmon trees. Only 2 made it through the freeze
So far the figs look OK but it sure is wet here too :(
How did your cuttings do? I have a pretty big persimmon tree in my yard ,and I'm wondering and thinking of doing this so I can give little trees to some friend and neighbors .
Thanks for any updates. We live in zone 9a in South Mississippi.
They didn't take.
It was the wrong time of year... summer.
I've never had much luck with propagation in the summer.
Fall and winter is better in my climate.
Also, I was told persimmons are very hard to get to root...
@@BIGALTX yes that's what I'm trying to figure out how to do it's almost fall. I have a nice tree and I would like to get some branches off of it.
@@craigjacob3704 You're better off making air layerings rather than taking cuttings if the tree is on your property.
nice, I love the neotibicen superbus sounds in the background too
Glad you like it!
I really enjoy your videos. thanks for taking the time to share.
Have you succeeded? How's the fruit? My neighbour's persimmon tree produces the best fruit. So instead of buying one I'm thinking of growing some cuttings. Some persimmons didn't taste good. Thanks for the tutorial. ☀🌈❤
These didn't remain viable, but I think it's absolutely possible to propagate them
Try it!
You might also want to apply tree paint on your trees. A lot of your original tree's bark got burnt and died. It definitely would have weakened your tree.
Hi, the cuttings must have nods in the soil or not a must? Will it root without nods bare stick in the ground? Thanks
It probably depends on what kind of cutting, but I think most really need a node or 2 in the pot.
TexasPrepper2 do you have some nice sized trees since then from the cuttings?
Did this work? Seeing buds come out doesn't mean that roots actually formed. Please let us know if you did actually get roots growing from the cuttings. It's been several years since you posted the video, so you should have some young trees if it worked.
This did not work.
It just wasn't a good time of year for propagation.
Also, I've been told recently that persimmons are very hard to root.
You don't have to score the base of the twigs first before you dip them into the Dip-N-Grow and planting them onto the potting soil? Also, after you planted those twigs into the pot do you keep them in the sunlight or inside your house? Do they need sunlight at all to start growing leaves and start rooting? If so, is keeping them in front of a window with some sparse sunlight a good idea? If you could answer my questions I would appreciate it very much because yesterday I clipped off a bunch of persimmon twigs that I want to grow into trees. I have since kept those twigs in water and I wonder if they would grow roots if I leave them in the water for next few weeks.
First... Persimmons are REALLY hard to propagate.
My nurseryman told me they were difficult.
Not sure you HAVE to score them, but it might help... not sure.
In the winter, I would probably just leave outside, but you're climate might be different. Check with your county Ag Agent.
Sunlight would be needed when they start to bud, but not while they are "rooting" (i don't think)
@@BIGALTX Okay, thanks for the advice! Even though you said they are difficult to propagate you seem to be doing alright with yours though. Congrats man!
Not really. The ones in this video did not take. Too hot
If it had been winter, they might have.
@@BIGALTX Oh, sorry to hear that.
So, if you root a cutting from a Fuyu and plant it, will it have the characteristics of a grafted Fuyu you can buy from a nursery? I would assume that if the cutting would have been as good as the grafted version, the nurseries would sell rooted cuttings as that is easier to develop.
It should have the same characteristics, but maybe not the same hardiness. Root stocks (on just about any fruit) are grafted on to give certain advantages.
I hope you trimmed the rough top off so it can heal over cleanly and seal it wound repair or wax. i use a commode ring it is the cheapest grafting wax one can find , under 2 dollars ,and is easy to use . you will need a rag or towel to wipe the wax of your fingers . i will have to look to see if you did a follow up .
Your tree had to be pretty weak to break like that. Our Fuyu is a heavy producer but it doesn't even deflect under the weight of the fruit, let alone break. You need to give it hard pruning every February to keep it producing sturdy limbs and new growth.
sorry your tree collapsed, but so happy to see it bouncing back.
This just happened to my tree 😕. I found your video while looking for a way to save it. Luckily it's just one limb and not the whole tree. I'm going to try to propagate it and save the tree. Did you put anything on the tree itself after you cut the limbs off? I've seen other videos where they said not to leave the "wound" exposed.
No. I lost the tree.
My research tells me that this is common on persimmon trees.
I’m curious what is your tree grafted because if it was your cuttings even if they do route probably will not survive at least not in colder temperatures. The other thing not surprised about your new growth. You’ve got the same root system pushing out new growth so it will only take off on you. Hopefully you’ll show us later if you get roots or not and if your tree was a grafted tree
This was several years ago, but if I remember right, none of the cuttings survived.
It wasn't the right season to do propagation.
@@BIGALTX
Season is irrelevant with persimmons, the odds of propagating one is almost 0.
Beautiful but what happens when your green thumb died away? I bought a tree and it died on me because I had to move it. Then I got cuttings from a beautiful tree that was killed but my cuttings failed. I still don't ave a persimmon tree in my land. Guess I will have to keep on trying.
It's no joke my green thumb is dead. I mean I have a peach tree that fills with hundreds of flowers each spring and each flower becomes a fruit but two months later, they are all on the floor and not one of the fruits make it. Between the squirrels and my wilted thumb I'm lucky if I can bite into a green peach.
Not good... sorry :(
When you showed the new growth on the broken down fuyu, the leaves close to the stem were somewhat curled inwards. I have the same problem with a very young persimmon I grow in a pot.. but I never found any solution to that problem.. Do you know what to do about it or do I just have to wait until the tree gets big?
Not sure. Maybe not enough water...?
Sometimes my other types of fruit trees will have leaf curl if they get dry.
Propagation update? Did they root and were you able to plant them successfully? TIA
Unfortunately, this happened while it was still summer.
The cuttings didn't take. Summer (in TX) is not a good time to propagate.
I've had very little success with summer propagation.
I like to do it in the fall/winter
0:16 The persimmon tree: god darn i fell 8:12 The tree: aight I am start a new life
I’m growing shavings from a Portuguese persimmon
👍😎
Thank you for showing the progress after one month. Did a few make to growing roots and make it towards becoming a tree? Thank you.
If I remember right, none of them were successful.
Fall and winter is the best time to propagate.
@@BIGALTX sorry to hear that. It did look that your tree would survive. BTW, love the silhouette pic of bird that was part of your email response.. beautiful
I have tried just about every way I can think of to propagate persimmons. I’ve had some luck grafting them. No luck getting them to root either by air layering, ground layering, root cuttings etc. The only way I found has much luck at all is planting seeds and then grafting the seedling once it comes up. Curious to see if you’ve ever had any luck getting persimmons to root? Trying now to stool some D. kaki shoots to see if that’s much use.
Liked your video. Could any of those branches be grafted into the solid trunk ? What's the thickest branch that you can graft, I wonder. Guess I have to do more research. Thank GOD for online availability.
+choritzo1963
I've never done any grafting, so I can't answer your question. I need to learn how
Super helpful! I just loved this, thank you! 🌿
Glad to help!
I live in Buffalo and a lot of trees came down because of the amount of snow and low temps. In spring the days can be 50-80 degrees and at night in the 40s-60's currently. I've been snipping branches of trees being thrown away, because the tops are still alive, like yours. Would you suggest waiting for warmer weather or keeping the cuttings inside until temp is steady 60 or up degrees? I'm getting roots in water from some but am afraid to leave them out at night. I'd rather do soil method but it's too much for me to carry everything in on cold nights.
Monique Ski Not sure of the variety of trees you're talking about, but you could probably do either. Just make sure you mist them several times a day. Let me know how it goes...
Looks like you are going to have a lot of persimmon trees. Keep us updated on how they do. The branches from the mother tree lying on the ground were still receiving nourishment. I just wonder if you could have also Air-layer Propagated some branches on them? You are very lucky the mother tree made such a great come back. Take care and thank you for the video.
I live in Houston when is the best time to propagate a persimmon?
Not in the heat...
I would say when the tree goes dormant (if they go dormant in Houston).
When the leaves fall off and they look dead... I would propagate then.
Green growth does not prove success. There’s energy stored in the cutting and it expresses itself as growth
Thanks for sharing. I would like to know after putting the cutting in soil, how often do you water them?
You have to keep the soil moist at all times, and try to mist the tops of them. Persimmons are extremely hard to root. These, as I remember it, were not a success. If I’m rooting cuttings now, I only do it in the fall and winter. Summer is a terrible time.
hii, texas preper2
how is the persimmon cutting propagation? did it work ? i can't find your follow up of this video, it is already 2 whole years..
appreciate it if you tell me if it works or not.
thx
These didn't take. I think it just wasn't the right time of year.
@@BIGALTX Means it is failed, right? Failures are the pillars of success - please let me know has there any way to clone it.
@@mdislam6381
Yes, it failed. Maybe fall or winter would be a better time to do this
TexasPrepper2 - thank you. At least know that it is hard to root. I will try it from dormant branch in this winter and wish to let you know.
What a shame to lose that beautiful persimmon tree due to the wind. Hope your cuttings make good and you have many, take care and God Bless!
He didn't lose it, after he cut the main branches off it showed only 50% of the limbs were dead, that's why they were still healthy weeks after the break. It may not have been pretty but he could have left it to grow like that, at least to the the current fruit set ripen before pruning - stress like that on a plant often causes it to put extra energy into what might be it's only chance at a reproductive phase.
I START A LOT OF STUFF ALSO LOVE WATCHING YOUR MISTER SYSTEM . now that it is winter how has the persimmon fared ? can't grow Asian persimmons up here in pa, they are a lot like mulberry's and they can be started from cuttings , please let me know how they turn out , I often have things leaf out and grow for months only to find out that they have no roots
I don't think the persimmons made it... I haven't looked at the roots yet, but the tops dried out several months ago. It was just NOT the right time to try to propagate them... but it was worth a try...
How did you mix dip N grow ? what is the ratio with water ? Thanks
The mix ratio is listed on the package.
The cup they provide has markings on it to show how much water to add.
There is one ratio for "hardwood" cuttings and one for "softwood" cuttings
I happened to come across your video today. Please tell me if your cuttings continue to grow after 1 month
Actually, I think these did not.
Most things I have propagated have always done well, but these did not.
That’s very sad
@@BIGALTX thanks for the reply
What a great loss :( ... I sort of feel your pain as I had a beautiful Fuyu growing in my backyard, but all of a sudden over a very short period, I lost the Tree (I think due to a Blight but too ignorant to recognize and take action). It was such a heart breaker but glad to see yours have a happy ending. I am restarting again with Jiro and a Fuyu this Fall.
I was curious, if you didn't cut the broken limbs with all the fruit since they were still green several days after the episode, if you could have ripen those fruit laying like that.
I think it was too early, and the fruit was too green to ripen.
I found 3 persimmon seeds when I bought fruit from market, is the fall weather great to start to plant persimmon ? Thanks 😁
@@Leetee1983 If it is American persimmons in usa yes. If it was oriental persimmons they have to be grafted on top of american persimons or they will probably die.
Greg Horne Thanks you Greg, The fruit looks exactly like your fruits and then I germinated success and I got 3 trees now. It’s now 8 inches, what fertiliser it prefers Greg? And how long it will bear food? 🤗 is it 7 years 😅!?
All my personal experience and the text books indicate taking cuttings on Japanese persimmon is impossible. Did you actually manage to get any of your cuttings to take? I always get 100% failure on this tree and must use Diospyros lotus root stock then graft the Fuyu to it.
I haven't gotten any of the persimmons to 'take'.
But, I'll probably try again.
Thanks for the reply. You had me curious because they always ended in complete failure for me even when bottom heat was used. They will graft to seedlings though if you can find a seeded variety around. Bill
@@GreenGardenGuy1 I've read that Asian varieties will graft to the eastern persimmon, but not the Texas persimmon, which produces fruit that is smaller and black when ripe.
@@yellowdog762jb All of the commercial trees are on Diospyros lotus. This is done because it is highly compatible. I suspect eastern Persimmon is hardier in cold climates though.
9 years later. How are the cuttings doing?
I don’t think I ever successfully propagated a persimmon. After doing this, I learned that they are extremely hard to propagate even for the professionals.
is it typical for all of the cuttings to loose the leaves that you allow to stay on it? I have some cutting from a camellia tree and Bay leave tree. The Camellias have all dropped off, the Bay leaves have not. but it has been at least a month. No buds yet.
ayatti26 Yes, all the leaves that I left on the cuttings had fallen off after a short while. It took several weeks before I could see any buds breaking out... wait a little longer and see if anything happens.
Super tree! Good job!
If you have any wild persimmons growing on your property try grafting them over to fuyu. I have had great success with doing that.
Great tip... thanks!
I live in Zone 7. I purchased a American Persimmon tree online & had no education before purchasing it. Is it true that I need 2 tree's in order for them to give fruit? The tree is surprisingly doing well and is very Healthy.
I don't think you need a pollinator for an American Persimmon.
BUT.. this article says you might:
www.gardeningknowhow.com/edible/fruits/persimmon/growing-american-persimmons.htm
I really don't know, because this article seems to say there are Male and Female trees.
I didn't know that till I read the article.
You'll need to do more research.
I really like the Asian Persimmons. Check them out
@@BIGALTX Thanks for replying. I had no clue about male & female. I noticed the American Persimmon I received is marked Female. I guess I have to buy a Male🤔
@@jacquelines3685
You might try to get an Asian Persimmon tree to pollinate your female AM Persimmon.
Not sure if they WILL cross pollinate, but you should check with a good nursery and see.
I think you'll like the Asian Persimmon better than the AMP
@@BIGALTX
I'll give it a try.
I'm in MD. Zone 7. I couldn't find a Persimmon tree anywhere & the company in Florida where I purchased the AM persimmon told me in my Zone AM Persimmon grows with better success. As I told you before I know absolutely nothing about Persimmon trees...just that I loved the fruit 🍑. Thanks for all your advice. Your a very nice person☺️
Did you successfully root the persimmon trees?
They did not root.
It was the wrong time of year.
I've never had much success propagating when it's warm.
Thank you for sharing your video !
My pleasure
My question is : If the branches were still alive laying on the ground. Why/How come you Didn't prop them up on something and air layer the broken branches. I mean the fruit was a loss anyways for this year. but, next year you could of had fruit already with two new trees. Air layered. you could have girdled the branches about an inch. Got a five gallon bucket. Put splits down each side about half way. For branch to fit in, then took another bucket and cut it into two pieces with a lid on the top bucket. Then put branch through the bucket. Put other bucket inside first bucket and fill with dirt or sphagnum moss. fill to top with what ever you planned to use and put lid on. Wait 3 to 4 months up and to about 6 0r 7 months then check for roots. If plenty of roots. plant and wallah new trees. i know i'm too late. but if there's a next time. It might be a hint and help. trying to help not make fun or criticize. GeeSee's Life Adventures.
Wish I'd have thought of that ... maybe next time.
:(
Sorry my friend. Hope it never happens again. Good luck with the new growth and tree. How did the cuttings fair out? i hope they all survived.
No survivors... it was too hot... just not the right time of the year to do cuttings.
sorry to hear that man i hope main tree is still doing good.
This channel is one of the first propagation videos I saw . And it's a good channel then I gravitated to Mile Kincade 's channel . . He has a video on propagating fig tree started June first and roots grew by August 15th on a very thick ( multi year old wood ) . My take is that summer is the right time to do hard wood cuttings You don't have to add artifical summer heat to the cutting like you do in Jan. Through April. Notice in this video all the half cut leaves on Texas Prepper2's persimmon fell off so my conclusion is ,best to plant hardwood cuttings w/o the leaves. . Soft wood cuttings . That's the cutting that are still have green outer bark . This year's new growth . The expert on that is Dan. Darn I forgot his last name The fig guy up north . MICHIGAN or Massachusetts where he leaves the leaves on and covers with a humidity tent during the summer.
This channel show Mr Pepper's misting set up . Looks pretty simple and all automatic but in my case I don't have pressurized clean water for following Mr. PREPPER's2 EXCELLENT demonstration
Thanks for the tips and recommendations.
Propagating IS different in the south vs the north.
I don't propagate blackberries in the summer. It's always been a poor % for me in summer.
Figs might be different.
I may try it... thanks!
Would it be better to get a bigger, longer branch or the size that you cut? My friend will cut me a few branches from her Fuyu Persimmon tree.
Absolutely fabulous I like it thanks
Most welcome 😊
What State are you? What month you were planting yourPersimmon branches? I want to copy you. Thanks
I'm in East Texas.
I think it's best to propagate cuttings when the trees are fully dormant.
That means probably January or February.
hope that helps,
alan
homesteadadvisor.com/
I've notice most people are unsuccessfully propagating persimmons via cuttings or even by air layering. Grafting has proved successful; however.
Good day. Thank you for sharing your video ! Добрый день. Получилось ли вам получить корни.? Черенки хурмы вообще дают корни? Есть свидетельства укоренения хурмы у других авторов, можете ли вы дать на них ссылку (укоренения хурмы)?
Good day. Did you get the roots.? Do persimmon cuttings give roots at all? There is evidence of persimmon rooting from other authors, can you give a link to them (persimmon rooting)?
They did not root
My neighboring house across the street has several persimmons in the yard.
They’re about 40 year old trees and massive.
One fell last year and they let it sit because the house was for sale.
My friends Son bought the property and he’s a deer hunter.
The deer are always in that yard gobbling up the persimmons when they fall.
Me being a Deer hunter and a lover of persimmons I need to get my rear over there and ask him if I can take some cuttings.
Ive been meaning to do this……but next time I see him I’ll ask.
I have since found out that persimmons are a little more difficult than most trees to propagate.
Make sure you do a lot of them just in case the percentage of success is low.
@@BIGALTX
Thanks.
Yeah I plan on doing about 100 cuts as I have a camp property that could use some fruit trees.
I’m in north Ga so it’s pretty decent weather for these.
Also, I have found that summertime is not a good time to propagate. Your luck may be different than mine though, so it’s still worth a shot.
If I were you, I would rig up a “misting system”. That will give you a much better chance of success.
I have a few videos on misting systems if you want to search my channel for them.
I haven't read all the comments, but I'm very interested in this -- with persimmons, like cottonwoods, doesn't there have to be a male an female tree to grow the fruit?
I don't think there are female and male persimmons.
They DO need a pollinator, I believe.
A good nursery can tell you what other variety to buy as a pollinator.
Fuyu does not require a pollinator. In fact, if you have other types of persimmon trees it will cause the Fuyu to have seeds.
Asian persimmon fruiting trees are generally female. The dark spots in the fruit are unfertilized seeds. You do not need, or want, a male tree in the area. Occasionally, a female tree will produce a male flower, which should be removed to avoid seeds in your fruit.
@@yellowdog762jb How would I recognize a male flower? I only have female trees and only Fuyu variety.
@@yedidyah-jedshlomoh1533 Female flowers are single. Male flowers occur in groups of three, occasionally in pairs. Sometimes they have some pink in them. My Fuyu has only produced a seeded fruit a couple of times in 8 to 10 years, so I don't bother even looking for male flowers. If it happened more often, then I would.
I knew a guy with a commercial persimmon orchard. He checked pretty carefully since a few male flowers in the orchard could produce a lot of seeded fruit.
There is a third type of flower called Perfect. It's self fruitful. I have not bothered to look for those either. Fuyu is a very old variety, I think they worked most of the "bugs" out of it centuries ago.
It’s not for sure after a month. Some stern can keeps fresh and bouncing a little bit of the life and got died after that. Wee like to see the roots. That’s all.
Good info, thanks!
Did you get any Persimmon to root?
Never did. I understand it’s very hard to get started.
Oh no... I would be very sad if this happened to my persimmon tree. What is the result of your propagation?
No good.
It was summer and too hot :(
Have you done an update? So far, the only successful video of rooting a persimmon cutting that actually formed roots that I have seen on You tube were from heel cuttings where wood from this year growth were taken with a small foot of last year growth on the bottom. The rest of the procedure was like yours... out of 10 cuttings or so, at the time he did his follow up, he had some sprouts like yours, but he also had one with a root. I dont think he has done another update so dont know if it survived... I think he rushed the transplant just to show the success and make the video.
The cutting didn't take
This was the wrong time to try to propagate (summer in TX)
I've since learned that persimmons are VERY hard to get to root...
did you ever try any more, or air layering?
No... not yet
What a heart break. How old was that tree? Hope some of your cuttins root for ya. Blessings
Where do I get dip and grow I live in Houston Texas. Near Pearland Tex. Thanks
Here's where I get mine: amzn.to/34HDCa7
did any of the tree cuttings grow into trees
+jeanne miller
No... it just wasn't the right time of the year.
TexasPrepper2 I have tried persimmon cuttings a few times with no luck. I have found the best way is to find stolons growing from roots of existing trees shovel around them to cut the roots in the fall and then transplant them the next fall
hii jacob t,
i believe your method works.. because is saw some rootstock put up a lot of sucker... those sucker if rooted can eventually become a new rootstock for you to graft it in..
but how to make them all grow root ? some suckers just not putting out root, they are root joined with the parent tree, however they themselve don't put up root..
what to do if they don't put up root of their own ?
thanks.
andrew ysk their roots are all combined with the mother trees roots. That is why you go around when they are dormant and spade around the suckers. That divides the suckers roots from the mothers roots. Then you give it a year to grow roots before you go back and dig that plant up. Otherwise if you dug it up without giving it a year to grow more of its own roots it will not have enough of its own roots to survive being transplanted. If it does not have enough of the roots of its own to survive in the first place it will be dead by the time you come back to transplant it.
Hi we can do it?
thanks for the video. i am gonna try this.
Let me know how it goes.
For me (in hot TX) summer has never been a good time to propagate.
Try dropping a bunch of fruit. I have to do this to my pear or it breaks limbs every time.
Nice save!
Did your cuttings make it? How many were you ultimately successful with?
Sorry, none of these made it
I've propagated hundreds of plants, but Persimmons are hard to root.
I think the time of year hurt the process too.
@@BIGALTX Thank you for your response. I see a few people claiming victory but none of them will show you the results, so I'm still skeptical. You just reinforced that for me.
@@MasterKenfucius
My nursery guy (at Bob Wells Nursery) said persimmons were very hard to get a root system established.
But, it's still worth a shot :)
They do all their persimmons on grafts. That might be the best way... not sure
@@BIGALTX I am still willing to try an air layer though. I'm going to do that as soon as they are about to come out of dormancy near the Spring time.
@@MasterKenfucius
I've been doing a lot of air layering lately: ruclips.net/video/ch63_MQQETg/видео.html
I may try the persimmons :)
Nice and thank you! you just reminded me I need to get back to the nursery to buy my persimmon tree. Good to know they can be rooted like this.
***** Still an experiment at this stage... but I think a few will make it.
I think your going to come out alright. Nothing ventured nothing gained, my friend. The property we bought this year has apple trees that are in bad shape and I plan on trying to graft scions into the trunk. If they take I will have a much better shaped tree with a mature root system that should produce quicker than if I planted new saplings. If they don't take at least I tried. People all around me are criticizing the plan. Problem is that all of these people are sitting back doing nothing anyway. My wife says that the best way to get me to try something is for lazy people to tell me it can't be done.
Thanks for sharing. Are all your cuttings in the open sun or shaded? Like the misting system!
patriots1needed They are in about 50/50 shade sun. They're under a big tree. It allows morning sun and dapple shade in the afternoons.
How old was the original tree
Don't remember exactly, but probably about 3 or 4 years old
Nice video. Thank you.
Very cool! I love your videos! You should do a sheep update.
Wow, sorry about the tree.
Thanks 🙁
How are cuttings doing today please
This video was 7 years ago.
If I remember right, they didn't make it.
It was too hot. I have much less success propagating in the summer. Fall and winter is much better.
@@BIGALTX What a pity they didn’t make it. I have not had much success propagating any kind of fruit trees under mist mist. They usually defoliate and die before they have a chance to grow a good root system
Very good. Thank you
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Good stuff
When do you transplant the seedlings that made it? Can you do it at the one month point when they start leafing or is there a better time?
I live in South Florida and persimmons are my favorite fruit, but I didn't have much luck growing them. Two of my young trees died so far....
+Maria Schultz The ROOT system is the key. Top growth can be deceiving.
If it has a lot of green, but not much of a root system, it might not make it
I like fall and spring to try to propagate. I haven't had much success in the summer.
did your fall cutting propagation works ?
can you do a video on it.. even a short one of the time ofyear to do fruit tree (hardwood)cutting propagation that has promise ?
thanks.
No, the cuttings didn't take. I think it was just not the right time of year to do it.
You can also put it in cinnamon water just not too much cinnamon because cinnamon is a natural root hormone
Thanks for sharing!
TexasPrepper2 ye
I like it too
My tree is dormant, how can i fix it?
They are supposed to go dormant in the fall and winter.
@@BIGALTX ok
could u have got the same results if you had just sown seeds ? because it took good one month.
Sajid Rafique I think propagating is always faster than seeds... but your experience may be different.
TexasPrepper2 We should turn our earth into a garden of fruit and nut trees !
Great video
All the fruits can ripen inside the house.
I just picked a few Eureka Persimmons yesterday.
The first of this season :)
@@BIGALTX I already harvested mine and found a giante wild one loaded and everyday is a day for picking the ones that fall from the tree super ripen. Today I removed the pulp for pudim and icecream.
Persimmons don't grow from cuttings, even 3 month old air layers failed on my Fuyu. Grafting to your native rootstock is the way with these. Popular grafts to research are wedge, whip & tongue, chip bud, bark.
well that's not very reassuring for me as i have four air layers on a friend's fuyu tree right now, hoping like hell it takes lol. it's been on for a month and a half now. going to check around new year's, which for us here in new zealand is summer. i did four other layers on my mother in law's golden queen peach tree, regarded here as the best all round peach, just today
I hope you didn't girdle the limbs by removing a ring of bark? Those limbs I tried and had girdled, ripened the fruit but every limb died. All I got from the air layers were big callouses but not a single root. My first grafting was this year in Spring. Got a Hachiya to make it on a native with a bark graft. Going to do many grafts next Spring but probably concentrate on cleft grafting since bark grafts are bad to blow out in the wind.
Charlie- You probably did something wrong, because I have found several sites about propagating persimmons from cuttings. They say you need to cut about 1/4 inch round hard wood about 8 inches long. use rooting compound and plant them in container and water really good and cover them tightly with clear plastic to keep them moist. They need 12 hours of light. So you take them inside at night and use incandesant light or a grow light on them a few hours to supplement the daylight. I think they said you needed to use a thermometer and keep them between 75 and 90 degrees until they root. So I would assume that they need to be in partial shade when they are outside if it is hot so they don't overheat. One site said to cut them in late autumn (I guess when they are dormant) and to wax the ends and buried them in sand keeping them moist. The coming spring you plant them and they will grow. I assume you remove the wax from the bottom end before planting in spring.
Don't plant rooted Fuyu. They found out hundreds of years ago they would die from diseases they don't have in Japan. I grow local persimmons (South GA) and graft Fuyu on them. If you are air layering, remove all fruit from that limb so the energy will not go into the fruit instead of the roots. IMO
Thanks for sharing
Glad to help!
alan
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Thank you...
You're welcome!
@@BIGALTX knowledge is key... this seems to be the year for this fruit!!
Salvage what you can out of your catastrophes. We never know what might grow and make some roots!
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how often and how much do you water
Mature trees don't need a lot of water (usually), so I don't water unless they show signs of really needing it.
When they are young, I usually try to water once a week... deeply.
Hope that helps.
alan
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Did they root?
I've had a lot of success rooting cuttings, but these didn't root.
It just wasn't the right time of year.
Needs to be done in the fall/winter
@@BIGALTX have you ever had luck rooting persimmon?
@@coolmantoole
That was the only time I tried persimmons.
I may do some later this winter.
If so, I'll video it.
@@BIGALTX I was under the impression that they don't root. That's why I was curious.
Any update on the cuttings?
I've propagated a lot of stuff successfully (grapes, blackberries, muscadines, etc, But the persimmons didn't make it...
did it work? please update
No, it was the wrong time of year to propagate... summer
@@BIGALTX Thank you for replying and that's too bad. I just tried your technique yesterday....🤞
@@boet2236 Fall/Winter is a great time to do this ! :) 👍
Glad I subscribed, love the attitude and the info. Lots of good learning here.
You just showed us only leaves.
It seems that persimmon cannot be rooted.
They can be, but it is very difficult. Almost all persimmon trees, you see for sale in nurseries, etc. have been grafted and propagated. But it is difficult