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In This video I talk about Five Nights at Freddys help wanted 2, and how everyone thinks the graves mean the death order. Matpats done a good job with it, but now i'm here! Includes Five Nights at Freddy's security breach Ruin and help wanted 2. The endings in help wanted 2, I cover FNAF1 FNAF2, FNAF3 Even some FNAF Sister location, as well as the upcoming FNAF VR Help Wanted 2! Obviously looking into FNAF help wanted 2 endings, as well as fallfest 1970 and 83, using all the best clips and OST from five nights at freddy's. I love making videos like this on FNAF so hope you enjoy it! I TOOK ME AGES! Markiplier, the game theorists, Darko, I am coming for you!
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Things are not ALWAYS what they seem at first in FNAF, and we've seen that time and time again.....*But what do YOU BELIEVE?*
What if Henry wasn't talking about Charlie, about that first wound?
What are you Ripley's believe it or not?
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Erm I don't exactly know what you just said.
So I can't answer that.
Who's Ripley in the fnaf Lore?
I thought it was order to spirits might have passed on not died.
I believe what Henry meant about a wound first inflicted on him about Fall Fest not Charlie's death and Charlie died after the kids
It was either FuhNaff or RyeToast that theorized the gravestone order could represent the order the kids moved on. It makes sense that the puppet would be the last to move on, because she wants to ensure that all the kids that died can find peace.
With Chica saying she was the first, it could mean 2 things, she was the first of the 5 kids to die, or she was the first to be brought back to life by the puppet? The newspaper articles in FNAF 1 state that 2 kids were lured into a back room, then 3 kids were lured.
Honestly, the whole “what exact order did the MCI kids die” isn’t really something that is a big deal to figure out. Granted, it was something that we never thought about.
I didn’t think this was a retcon, but I do think this is something interesting to keep in mind for the future.
It was RyeToast, they talked about it in their most recent vid I think.
They were pretty much set free at the same time
Chica saying she was the first does NOT automatically mean Susie is speaking since the anims can speak as individual entities. Not to mention that Henry's "a wound first inflicted on me, one that I let bleed out" also does NOT immediately mean Charlie since henry's reaction and actions to Charlie's death is quite literally NOT letting a wound bleed out bc he's actively trying to do something about it. And with 1970's around the corner, to me, the "wound" that Henry is referring to is an event that would force Henry to join William that would then domino effect to Charlie's death. Not to mention that phone guy in fnaf2 tells us that "a small fortune" was invested into the toy anims for security reasons meaning that the security puppet that Charlie inhabits must come after at least one kid that goes missing in order for FazEnt to try to save face as we know the franchise attempts to with the 2nd pizzeria
Henry didn't do anything for like 40 years he most certainly let it bleed
@lanasmith4795 he would go on to create the Charlie bots in order to cope with the death of Charlie and planned on avenging her more than once, how is that doing nothing? If anything, Charlie's mom that up and left is the one that did nothing
@@nosferty7234 it does nothing about the source of the misery he is a grieving parent...rent a wood chipper and get to work henry dont play pretend with your dolls
@lanasmith4795 exactly lol it's not until Charlie dies that Henry realizes what William is doing. Like you can literally take everything fnaf related out of the equation and look at it as a detective within the fnaf universe and still reach the same logical reasoning, you can't get to event C ( Charlie's death) without going through event B and event A
Chica was the first Mci Victim, but not the first Afton victim
Susie was the first to possess, that’s why she’s the first of the mci, she was the last to die that’s why she saw everything.
Hey, I thought of something, when Chica (in UCN) says "I was the first, I have seen everything", it's a little bit weird isn't it ? Like if we want to consider she was the first child to die, then how could she have seen everything ? I mean basically the "everything" for me means the kills of William Afton when the MCI happened, so indeed, I think she could have been the FIRST child to have been lured into the room, but then the LAST to have been killed, matching with what you said on the grave order, but also with the "I have seen everything" meaning she had seen all the other 4 kids die before her, she has seen the hole massacre.
Another little thing is that, when in fnaf HW2, we play the night with Ennard (i think it's that one) and that we can unlock a plushie with the keypad hidden in the drawer and the "1983" code, it isn't any plush we're getting but actually the Puppet one, telling me that this is definitely the year she died.
Tho awesome video :D keep up
That's nice but it doesn't really make a lot of sense because in FNAF 1 it says first two children then three children were lured on two different days which means Susie have to be there for two different days which Howard Williams keep her left to the days why didn't she try to run or unlock the door why didn't the kids fight back if they were five kids all together I don't really think this theory is true but nice one
@@ilovequran9321 oh right I forgot about that detail, then idk but as for why they didn’t fought back, they were to scared to do so, they got promised something to in the end be left locked in a dark room with a scary man holding a knife
I think this is a really interesting theory that has a good evidence. The only problem is that Cassidy (Golden Freddy) is seen as "The one you should not have killed" meaning they'd probably be the last in the MCI. Because why should you not kill one kid but can kill another 4.
My personal theory is that it might be the order in which the spirits moved on. With Cassidy torturing William in UCN and Charlie staying behind to help guide souls.
The Puppet is also referred to as a male in UCN. They’re not talking about the spirits, but the character the spirits possess. Which would make sense since Puppet and Fredbear are male characters.
Why do people still think Cassidy is a toyshk We know that Cassidy is a girl and in the UCN Mangle and W chica refer to the vengeful soul as him not she this makes me think that andrew is toyshk and not cassidy
@@joseluisromero1910 they're used with both pronouns to refer to Cassidy and when Scott done the voice listing, he said something along the lines of "the gender shouldn't be easy to tell".
Andrew is probably just the book equivalent to Cassidy with him being in the Stitchwraith with Jake. You can take that as Cassidy & Crying Child (Evan possibly) in game context.
I like that theory but then i remember that in happies day they all move on together. Sooo idk. Even here it appears it was also saying the all move on together so who knows.
but not the tftpp frailty story had confirmed that the fazbear frighr epilogues were canon?
what if Charlotte's death wasn't the 'wound' Henry was talking about
if the theory that the five kids were killed before Charlotte is correct then Henry was talking about that William killed those kids to hurt Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, the one Henry started.
after William hid there bodies Henry built the Puppet to protect the kids and that helped the business from being ruined. then in order to hurt Henry more, William then killed Charlotte. after she possessed the Puppet she felt the kids' presence and brought them to life.
The MCI happend in 1985 and Charlie died in 1983, so it's basically impossible
@@whocaresaboutthename6850who said the MCI victims died in 1985
@@ilovequran9321 Into the Pit, remember Scott said that the Frights books wete made to solve the Lore of the past games and anwser oast questions, and a question never anwsered was when the MCI happend, but thanks to Into the Pit, we know it was in 1985, even in the og Trilogy of Novels it happend in '85 so yeah, MCI85 is basically factual.
To add onto the comments referencing FuhNaff’s idea that it wasn’t about death order but instead the order of moving on for the first spirits, that actually helps push the theory that revealing the Bonnie mask and getting the “good” ending was about the concept of being set free, not the path of death and its reversal. While it was a previous concept used before, now it’s possibly recognized that there is no way to “reverse” what William Afton did (you can’t truly bring the dead back to life) and now it’s simply about ending the cycle that’s gone too far.
Supposedly Vanny crushing Glitchtrap sets her/Vanessa free from his hold. What that will actually lead to is now another issue all its own. Hopefully Cassie can be saved in time before she becomes the next “Vanny”?
This guys voice sounds awfully familiar.......
Completely agree with this to a T and I'm surprised others are thinking differently. But I guess with fnaf they always keep a lot open to speculation!
Awesome video, amazing editing and topic. Love it xx
Thank you for your amazing support and kind words! I'm thrilled that you agree with my thoughts and enjoyed the video. It means the world to me when viewers like you appreciate the editing and topic. Sending you lots of love!
The big thing, is that we shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that there’s a retcon. When I saw the correct gravestone order, my first thought was, “is this the MCI order, or something else?” I didn’t think it was a retcon.
I like this theory! As I was playing PQ4 and doing the gravestones I was thinking to myself "surely Charlotte died first, therefore the Puppet should be first not last, perhaps it means something else" so this is a cool theory.
Give Gifts... Is that the order as well?
It was a very interesting theory, but there was not enough evidence
man keep up the good ideas
Thanks, will do!
Even though I never played security breach or Princess quest,I have a theory from watching people play it.We know from Henry’s speech he meant by Charlie was the first one to die and how she lifted others into her arms,but what if the order is completely different?My theory will stick with at first Chica,then Foxy second Freddy then Bonnie fourth Golden Freddy and then the puppet or what about 0 Foxy 1 chica 3 Golden Freddy 4 the puppet and last Bonnie I know this makes no sense cause I don’t have an explanation but it just came in. my mind I don’t have any explanation or reason but if puppet was second last,the only person she could lift in her arms was Bonnie aka Jeremy?This could be wrong. Moreover this should be wrong I just thought of this.
I feel like the problem is that Chica's line is too ambiguous and putting her as the last victim while ALSO unlocking the ending if lighting up the graves in the reverse order is confusing af.
I'm not saying this theory is incorrect, in fact you might actually be right, i'm just saying that inverting the deaths order in order to unlock the ending was a mistake with all things considered. Kind of a dumb desicion for the game in my opinion
2:26 I think this is vague enough to mean anything really. it's possible William framed Henry after the MCI. It's also very possible the wound first inflicted was the fire from Fallfest 70. Also if the code is in "reverse" why is chica who is the first MC last. Doesn't that imply she was killed last?
This whole assumption that it's telling order of the MCI is completely destroyed when we consider that the literal way of getting the Puppet Doll is by entering 1983 in the Keypad, basically their to confirm when she died just like Scott did to confirm when FNaf 4 was, and the MCI happend in 1985 meaning that Charlie did in fact die before them, it's just like what happend with MikeVictim, the Survival Logbook created it and also killed it, just like with Help Wanted 2 now did.
5:13…so basically, PQ3 and PQ4 is almost like a parallel where We Reverse what was done,
-Freeing the Reluctant Follower…
-that shot Of The Vanny mask on the floor in the free Vanny ending, much like When The Masks drop to the floor in Happiest Day, As If What was done has been reversed and Vanessa is free.
-Destroying What’s left of Glitchtrap.
I also believe if Correcting Past Mistakes in RUIN is true, then Moon, Roxy and Monty could Parallel every wronging of the PizzaPlex.
Roxy was wronged, Forced To do awful things, Eyes Were Stolen from her. We are Correcting That When We Shut Her Down, we are righting was done to her.
Sun was “stuck in a nap.” AkA Suffered under Sun, when rebooting Him, We are putting moon away.
What about Monty? What does he represent?
Interesting
Considering those balloons in The Brazil ending, I believe we are putting the Memories to rest AKA setting them free.
0: Charlie.
1st: Cassidy.
2nd: Jeremy.
3rd: Gabriel .
4th: Fritz
And then finally the last memory to be set free(5th:) is…Susie.
4:33, So Basically, We are putting GlitchTrap back
also that line “You are won.” So basically we killed GlitchTrap, The GlitchTrap Plush was all that’s left to deal with.
Can't you control what order you give the head in give gifts give life?
Hold on a second.
"A wound first inflicted on me," is a metaphor. It's vague enough for there to be more than one interpretation. While, yes, it's completely fair to assume he's talking about his daughter's death, there isn't anything ruling out the possibility that he's referring to the first 6 murders collectively, something William may have done specifically to harm Henry (or at the very least, Henry might believe that was the intention). I think people are too quick to decide they know for sure the meaning of this metaphor, to the point that they quote it as though he said something literal.
Why does Charlotte need to be the first to die in order for her to carry the other victims? Is there any reason to believe Charlotte hadn't helped them possess the animatronics after they'd all died before her? Who's to say she didn't come to life and immediately "carried them in her arms" by granting them life? I don't think that line actually indicated anything about who died first, it can easily go either way. Nothing indicates that Charlotte HAD to be the first in order to carry anyone, because she could have come to life after all of them were already dead and then carried them at that moment. Am I missing you point?
You gave a alternative theory, but I don't really think you made a point that actually debunks the potential death order presented. An alternative perspective doesn't mean the first perspective is completely wrong.
I'm also a bit skeptical about the balloons because a) Bonnie's is pink, b) there are two animatronics that could be represented by the yellow, c) there are so many white ones that it's hard to attribute Charlie to any one of them unless you've already assigned the pink balloon to Bonnie and the yellow one to Chica specifically, and d) it just seems an odd choice for the death count to start with 0 instead of just 1, to me at least.
I'm still pretty new to fnaf, though, so of course I could be missing something crucial. I'm just saying that I don't think the evidence against this death order is as conclusive as people are making it out to be, or at least none that I've seen yet (and I've been looking lol).
We literally get the Puppet doll by entering 1983 in the SL Keypad, basically SteelWool's way to confirm when she died just like with how Scott did it to the Date of the FNaF 4 Minigames, she died in the smae date of the Novels, this from Help Wanted 2 itself and we know the MCI happend in 1985 (It's the date in the Novels and also in Frights, whit h Scott had stated were meant to solve the Lore and anwser stuff from the Old Games), so either the game contradicts itself (whitch Scott legit stated that "there's no contradictions and headcons, just wrong interpretations" what savege tho 💀) or we're def missing something and using it to solve the order of the deaths is just wasting our time.
Maybe Susie was the first to be stuff ever thought about that?
The order is 100% Charlie, Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, Foxy and Golden Freddy. I can explain if you guys want.
Please explain why you think that Charlotte is first.
@@Dav458 like you don't already know Mr Afton, lol.
Anyway, simply put the Puppet is there when the bodies were stuffed as they gave the spirits life in the animatronics, Charlie dies on Halloween 1983 and the MCI happens from any time between 1983 - 1985, Henry’s statements and the fact that the Puppet is the only animatronic in FNAF 2 to not have an explanation to be there implying they were always there.
@@DJBurns-jq8mn I'm still a noob, so go easy on me, but how do you know she was there for it? Isn't it possible that she died and then, having possessed the Puppet, helped the other wandering souls possess the animatronic suits? I don't think anything from the GGGL mini games conclusively imply she was there for the stuffing, only that she was there for when they came to life.
It's that date from the books? Is it really a good idea to use the books as stand-alone evidence for anything considering how much they diverge from the games?
Henry's statements are vague enough to have alternative interpretations. "a wound first inflicted on me," is a metaphor. It COULD mean Charlie's death specifically, or it could mean William killing five kids as an attack on Fazbear Entertainment, with Charlie being the last to be killed, making that wound the "MCI kids + Charlie". He's vague enough that I think both interpretations work perfectly well, so Henry's words don't disprove anything.
That the Puppet was always at the Fnaf 2 location? I don't get your last point.
@@whoasked3961 Henry says Charlie was first and since the Puppet was there right after she died, the Puppet would possess her then and there. Charlie died after Freddy's was opened in 1983 so it must be this way.
And the books are there to give us insight to the game lore while telling it's own version of the story, and Scott said they are canon just as the games are so the Novels are 100% reliable.
And Henry's statements were originally made to end the original story so what he says must consider the fact that the original story ended by FNAF 6 and the Frights books with Helped Wanted, at least planned to, being the start of the new story
@@DJBurns-jq8mn Again, Henry does not say that. "A wound first inflicted on me." That's a metaphor. He does not say what this wound is. It could very well be referring to the first 6 murders as a whole, which Henry could perceive as actions taken by William specifically to hurt him. Henry simply does not say that, and what he does say is vague enough for multiple interpretations.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the books confirmed to operate on "alternate time line" logic? They are canon in the Fnaf universe, but not necessarily canon to the games' time-line. Just because something happened one way in the books doesn't mean it happened the same way in the games, yes? Hell, I've heard several people say that Scott specifically said not to expect the books to match the games 100%, even if there are some common elements between them, because the books were intended to be their own thing primarily. If that's right, then deciding which elements do or don't carry over to the game is exactly the problem. Is Charlie supposed to have died in 1983 in the games too, or is this another thing that's exclusive to the books? If it's a toss up between what is or is not shared across both narratives, then "it happened in the books" does not work as stand alone evidence, you need actual indication in the game. If something in the games implies X is true, you can't point to Y that happened in the books as a counter argument, because the books have so many clear differences that you can't say for sure what is only true in the books' canon.
I do know Scott did say that newer games often included things that were meant to clear up the community's misconceptions about the previous games (that's where all the accusations of multiple retcons come in). Sister Location cleared up much of the wrong assumptions made about Fnaf 4, even as Fnaf 4 was meant to be the end of the series at the time. It's not like future games can't go back and clarify something that the community has been mistaken about, it's happened before.
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So heres my Theory with the grave stones if its in the order that the kids died in it could actually make sense the kids could have fied before the puppet BUT it took puppet getting Possessed in order to allow the other kids to finally be able ti possess Freddy, chica, bonnie, foxy, and golden freddy
What's that Glamrock Freddy animation from? Where he's like in HW2 looking at the arcade machine
Then what about the mask unlock ? How does the real number process go for the Bonnie mask unlock ?
It feels like rather then trying to understand the meaning you're trying to make it fit with your view of the lore. I think we should be focusing on why it unlocked the bonnie mask more then the mci death order anyway
How many people looked at FNAF 3 Happiest Day ending/ Good Ending?
Bite victim
Charlie
Elizabeth
Susie
Jeremy
Gabriel
Fritz
Cassidy
I have no problem with either theory, it could go either way with minimal interpretation. But there's a bit if a contradiction in the evidence being used in the evidence for Puppet being the first while making Chica the last; I hope I explain this ok.
Basically, if Charlie HAS to die first to be the first reincarnation, then Susie CANT die last but be the first to be reincarnated of the Missing Children. Because if the argument for Charlie HAVING to die first is that the spirits wouldn't linger around the mortal realm long enough for the Puppet to LATER introduce them to the animatronic suits to possess them, then it doesn't make sense to assume Susie could die last, be reincarnated first, while the first two children (supposedly Cassidy and Jeremy) would still be lingering as spirits to be put into the suits later. Granted these are very short periods of time and we dont know the exact amount of time between Charlie's death and the MCI down to the exact number of days, but the general idea of lingering souls after death is still sort of cotradictory.
So basically, I'm not saying this comtradicts the "Charlie was the first death" theory in any way, that's the order I always assumed too, I'm just saying it's not a convincing argument for putting Susie's death later in the timeline. I think the "wound first inflicted on me" is much more convincing, but even then not bulletproof
I recommend looking into the symbolism of lighting lanterns by grave stones 😈
2:19
"Small souls trapped in prisons of my making, now set to new purpose, and used in ways I never thought imaginable."
"Are they still, aware? I hope not. It keeps me awake at night. I could make myself…sleep. But not yet. Not until I undo what he has done, and heal this wound.
A wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I let bleed out to cause, all of this."
"I don’t know how those tiny breaths of life came to inhabit those machines, but they will never find rest now - not like this. I have to call them, all back. All of them. Together, in one place."
From what I can gather from Henry's FNaF 6 speech, the "wound" Henry is referring to is the small souls trapped inside his creations.
And to heal this "wound", aka, freeing the souls from the animatronics, he creates Paragraph 4, the plan to trap and burn the animatronics in FNaF 6.
In this context of the "wound", it's simply letting us know that Charlotte was the first to possess an animatronic, not that she died first.
"But not yet. Not until I undo what he has done, and heal this wound."
And, we hear what "he has done" in the Movie from the Yellow Rabbit themselves, "I created you!", which is referring to the spirits being melded with the animatronics, their twisted creations.
Same goes for the 4th Charlie bot:
Keep all the closets shut. Let them be tombs for my denial and my grievance. My only lasting instruction for you concerns the fourth closet. It is not enough to keep it shut, you must keep that one sealed and buried. My grief was already beginning to waken me to reality when I began what was to be her final stage. When I rose, slightly, from the depth of my despair, I saw that I had no choice but to cease my work, for I was only feeding my own delusion. My old faithful partner, who I can only hope now is in a grave of his own, took what I had begun, and made something of his own something dreadful. He crafted my beloved work into something of his own, and endowed it with who knows what kinds of evil. I was able to stop him, and to seal away what he made, and you, Jenny, must ensure that the seal remains.
I hope that clears up any misinformation. I'm not really sure why people are removing the context of what the "wound" is...
"Very few people will likely ever feel completely satisfied, as there are just too many head canons out there and so many great ideas on where the story could go, but I think there are good things to be found for people who are looking. All I can do is say that some questions will be answered; even if it may not always be the answer you wanted. Be patient." - Scott
The code to getting the Puppet plush is 1983, confirming she died there and the MCI happend in 85, this while discussion shouldn't even have started bc it gets destroyed by the same thing that created it, aka the dolls themselfs
@@whocaresaboutthename6850
"According to Dittophobia, the nightmares behave similarly to the way they do in 4. Sister Location has these rooms dated to 1983
And the nightmares behave like the classic animatronics do.
Should the MCI occur in 1985, as everyone says, then how was William able to perfectly predict the exact possession behaviors of animatronics?"
"this while discussion shouldn't even have started bc it gets destroyed by the same thing that created it, aka the dolls themselfs"
I'm not really sure what you're referring to here.
I have to disagree in the death order, I still believe Susie being the first as the line "I have SEEN EVERYTHING" is very specific, why would you give this line to a character if they were all gifted on the same night? There is also the Fruity maze as that is the only game that specifically shows Susie out of all the MCI kids which the other games don't. Then there is the Fnaf 1 Newspaper as one specifically states 2 kids died one night before another newspaper states 5 were missing.
It's obvious what Steel Wool was trying to do with that graveyard sequence.
You're adding unecessary clomplexity to what is clearly a very straightforward and deliberate explanation of the order of the victims.
If this is what people end up extrapolating from it they might as well have never put it in the game to begin with.
Too bad the code to get the Puppet doll is 1983, confirming that's when she died just like in the Novels, and the MCI happend in 1985 so either the game is conflicting with itself or we're probably missing something
If Chica was designed by Henry, wouldn't that also be a wound first inflicted on Henry (as a sense of his creator's pride) and bled out when it continued to take other lives, including his child's?
I have one issue of you saying the assumption of the gravestones is wrong when showing Markiplier when he hasn't gotten to that part in the game yet
Where do i find that clip of freddy and gregory at vannys office
well that was a waste of time