I believe he genuinely didn't. Haven't you ever known a tech guy who was totally wrapped up the tech he worked with to the exclusion of everything else?
@@cassandratq9301 He was given legal instructions explaining the duties of an expert witness. He also claimed that he didn’t realise a report he had written was a report 😳
@@stellamemory2098 not ageist in the slightest , he is cunning though and lies smoothly to cover his obvious cover up for the bugs in horizon that led to hundreds of unsafe prosecutions
Can't comprehend a letter but can vouch that an immensely complex system like Horizon was completely reliable. Knew that remote access was baked in but not that it was being used in reality? He'd been with ICL/Fujitsu from the 70's so how many other systems need serious review? I think frankly that this whole travesty brings into question much of what has been taken as trustworthy in situations of power Imbalance. Power corrupts and the whole "computer says no" scenario has been abused to strengthen that.
Your honor, the speed limit does not apply to me because i had not received a copy of the law and if i had... i have forgotten what i read. So yeah, i drove too fast but it's not a problem. Neither am i worried that my negligence and dereliction of duty have directly lead to innocent people being sent to jail. I really could not care less. Yours sincerely, mr Jenkins
Here’s the problem with your “amnesia” defence sir. Maybe you decided to act dishonestly…and you’ve now forgotten that decision? You did read the letter in full, decided to ignore the letter for the next five years. But now you’ve forgotten how dishonest you were during that period of time.
A good and funny point, except the Public Enquiry rules does not allow it. It would be acceptable in the Crown Court as there are different legal procedure rules; and the bonus is, the jury gets to have a good laugh on that one of yours!
MY big drama with Mr Jenkins is that he is an engineer and most engineers I know read everything (twice) to ensure that get ALL the detail. You dont just scan over plans, you donit just scan over technical requirements etc, if so hes not much of an engineer.
How the Hell! did this person get such a senior post. I hope he will able to remember the day he is in court. If that does not happen then the inquire as also fail Post office Managers
On every prosecution that he was asked to provide evidence for he should have been reminded of his responsibilities. So even if he managed to overlook the importance of that letter on this occasion that mistake should never have happened again - and yet it did.
10:35 "If i had have understood my duties as an expert" - That is an interesting statement that probably could be said by so many people 'not understanding' their duties. And not just in the post office matter. So many people, particularly 'professionals', in my experience, have no regard for their duties.
I am struck by how casually this whole debacle was handled up to now = Officials are only NOW starting to realise they committed a cruel crime and are in deep trouble 😮
Yes, me too. I suspect this guy's lawyer decided NOT to tell him how much trouble he was potentially in because he's more believable if he's not rehearsed.
I started wanting to believe this man is the "nice but a little bit dim" type. However, in my experience there's ALWAYS a problem with people that "can't" remember or "probably" just "skimmed" a letter. Ergo not having to rely on DETAILS. This man isn't so dim, as so much as he's probably much more on the side of sinister.
This is a man heavily coached by his lawyers, who know the only way he is not guilty of perjury is if he can convince a court he genuinely believed everything he said in court was the whole truth at the time and that he remained innocence of the facts that: everyone else believed him to be an "expert witness" and the duties of an expert witness. Anything out of his mouth now is in line with that fantasy, in the hopes it keeps him out of court/prison later.
yes, absolutely right. they are all sticking to the script apart from the union bod. with their lawyers watching from the back of the room. makes for some very painful discussions.
He's certainly an expert when it comes to incompetence and yet in every court where an innocent subpostmaster and subpostmistress was prosecuted they believed his evidence hook,line and sinker.Says all you need to know about so called British justice.There but for luck or chance any subpostmaster or subpostmistress could've found themselves in the same situation as the poor innocents who were convicted.Shocking.
I didn't act at the time, because to do so would have put me in jeopardy, careerwise or financially, so I brushed it under the carpet, and tried to forget that my lack of action sent innocent people to prison and / or bankruptcy, and drove some to suicide. I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand. ''Can someone press Control, Alt, Delete on Mr Jenkins please?''
This man is lying through his teeth if he looks at this replay he must think how bad he looks in his answers he would have more credibility if he told the truth
A programmer has a nightly trained memory to remember information. He knows computer language and can remember enough to navigate and debug millions of lines of computer code, but a few lines of a letter goes straight out.
FFS. If nothing else, what about the mental torture being inflicted on Jason Beer? All would’ve, could’ve don’t know, can’t remember nonsense. None of them were using all these tactical tense formations when they were prosecuting postmasters.
As all these witnesses seem to have selective memory loss, isn't it time to stop this enquiry and just prosecute all of them. If they aren't getting pulled up over their lying, as Jenkins was, what's the point of carrying on?
He’s a technical IT guy being asked to analyse data with no interest in any of the legal cases one way or another. The manipulative lawyers and managers who scoped his analysis, want to blame him for everything. IT guys simply do what managers ask them to do and that’s what has happened here. He may well be the only person to be charged with an offence because he is the low hanging fruit.
Jenkins may be the Ace in the pack for the authorities, especially the Police, but Jenkins has also been thrown under a bus, then dragged through the streets as the main villain of the piece. Even though it's got nothing to do with this inquiry, it seems that the government has absolute conviction to support Horizon with Fujitisu for another 10 yrs. Just goes to show how reliant the system must be handling all those millions of transactions every day at the behest of Horizon and the PO. Nothing ever changes does it.
A technical IT guy with no understanding of anything beyond the technical aspect. The guy has been manipulated and led down a dangerous path without any real understanding beyond his technical mindset
Yes I’m sure he knew what was required of him. That said, he should have left company and moved on. Then once he secured new work and pension etc he tell truth. He is guilty of that. Like everyone, they all knew what was happening. Seems like the village idiot they could control.
Yep, he’s not a man manager he’s a tech geek, only capable of providing technical answers. He even said I was pushed to manage people and I said no. It’s the incompetence of Post office managers to ensure he provided what lawyers asked. It’s also the responsibility of the lawyers to check what they asked for in the letter was complied with, and it’s the responsibility of the lawyers on the SPM to cross examine the tech expert to ensure he complied with the legal requirements of being an expert. But lawyers don’t care more than getting paid
Without any doubt, in 2003 he knew that Horizon was not robust, knows his attempt to cover up this fact is not robust. He shames the principles of an expert with integrity. Professional incompetence at the time by his own mouth, he did not understand!!!!!!!!!
@@cassandratq9301 as a expert engineer, expertise is subject to integrity, the truth, which defends itself. He knew the truth, and hide behind his lack of integrity, shaming himself, not all experts.
The more i see of this witness the more i think he is neurodivergent. He sinply does not think like a more neurotypical. He is focused on the technical aspects and has chosen to ignore anything else. This might be ok for an internal report which without doubt he has written many. He ignores anything outside the technical stuff which is wildly incomparable with his role in court. I am amazed that any trial judge could miss this. Indeed a defense barrister should have picked up on this in a few minutes of him appearing in court. Even the prosecuting barrister should have picked up on this in pre trial prep. There is something very wrong with these trials. This is much more than just one witness. Clues were being missed all over the place. The judges in these trials should be asked how they missed this. This is important because if they missed with this barn door case they may have missed this problem elsewhere
Strange how his memory is pin sharp on specific items that Wouldn't cause him any grief yet can't recall those documents that have legal implications. Yet the Subpostmasters didn't have memory issues but were implicated and sentenced regardless of Real profe that they had done anything wrong..
I now completely understand why he asked for immunity twice... And i am so glad it was refused. He is highly intelligent... But like rhe rest of them... Playing dumb.
Gives evidence, then is faced with documented evidence, then doesnt remember at all or understood it if he did see it. This liar *repeatedly* provided expert evidence in malicious prosecution of the Sub-Postmasters - not just some one-off mistake (oopsie) but unwavering testimony that the system was completely reliable and could not lose money in the accounts.... whilst it was doing so constantly and had a Fujitsu team assigned to manually go in remotely and make edits to accounts at night. We need to see Post Office executives and their lying lawyers and Fujitsu (seen here) experts doing jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.
He says he was never told he was considered an expert witness, yet Jarnail Singh stated in an email that he had "Instructed Mr Jenkins" prior to a trial. A lawyer does not "Instruct" a witness of fact. They instruct an "Expert witness". Either Singh or Jenkins aren't telling the truth.
@@telsurrey1 He also said he didn't know how to print either. Click. Click. Ooh that was easy. A 5 year old can do it. Singh is so toast for what he has done.
@@telsurrey1 I suspect that he was one of the traditional solicitors who wrote everything on paper for his secretary to do the typing and present a typed copy of his paperwork. During the 80/90s I was aware that some Chairmen and CEOs, of companies, had two secretaries to mange their work load, of which shorthand was necessary when taking dictation. But having said that I do wonder if Singh went on an IT course.
If Jenkins wasn't Instructed as an expert witness, then why was he called upon to give evidence in a trial as a person called upon to give an opinion on the software. Only an expert witness can give an opinion. An ordinary witness can only give a statement of fact. Jarnail Singh wrote in an email that he had "Instructed" Mr Jenkins and that he (Singh) knows that you only instruct an expert witness.
The PO is still working on a replacement for Horizon, called New Branch IT, with the first installations were supposed to occur last year, but it is now behind schedule. Whilst a PO spokesperson said: We are still working to come off Horizon. The current system was reportedly updated in 2017.
Wasn’t this the “Perfect “ time to ask an “expert “ what exactly it was that actually caused Horizon to corrupt the figures in various SPMs? He has apologised to Sima Misra and other SPMs so not withstanding that he says he disagrees with Judgement that overturning their convictions, how could not agree NOW that Horizon was at fault? And therefore he must know what caused the faults - bugs or what ever - and how that fault was corrected? Or has that been spelled out by someone else and I have completely missed that? Who exactly explained that corrective action?
Does anyone believe he didn't understand that he had to reveal the bugs and defects in the system that he knew about? This guy went to Oxford and must know the basics of how the legal system works in Great Britain and the rest of the world. He was dropped as an expert witness because he omitted that information but neither the P.O. or Fujitsu informed the Post Masters and Mistresses who were convicted on his evidence. That is a cover-up plain and simple and people need to go to jail for that cover-up.
Why did POL originally, back in the late 90's/early naughties, when the very first SPM discrepancies appeared and SPM protests of innocence proffered , why did POL take their position of SPM fault/failure? Sure Fujitsu would have claimed that Horizon was innocent, but why didn't POL take an open position, undertake an independent review. What was in it for POL to take such a biased position in favor of Horizon against their own SPM organisation?
i think he is truthful. I met many of these experts in my career, they are 100% focused on computer system and logic and are often unaware of their surroundings. He was lost in the system and easily manipulated. The evil is in the post office. He was their dupe.
Jenkins did what he felt he was needed to do in light of the e mails from POL. The PO had the lack of IT knowledge for basic IT skills such as Mr Singh who did not know how to print an e mail or copy one. They failed to ask for suitable IT questions but acted as if they knew everything about Horizon. Jenkins is not a lawyer but a software engineer who spoke in an IT engineers way.
On this letter thing, I believe him when he says he was focused on the technical stuff. All he ever seemed to care about whatever task was immediately before him at any given time. He just dismissed everything not related to the immediate task at hand as extraneous information, and therefore unimportant.
The only way to direct this guy's attention to a non-technical task is to send him a SINGLE SUBJECT EMAIL with a heading like "IMPORTANT - LEGAL ADVICE - MUST READ", and then in the email body to require him to return a reply/response in which he states he has read and acknowledged the contents. Really, to be safe, you need to brief him in person. He genuinely believed his duty to the company was to discharge his TECHNICAL expertise correctly and to the best of his ability, and that EVERYTHING else flowed from THAT.
Ignorance is no defence in law,whereas this guy seems to think if you can't remember seeing or reading an important letter then that exonerates one from the duties and responsibilities of an expert witness to a court and defence lawyers acting for subpostmasters and subpostmistresses.
Can you imagine, if the postmasters had said over and over, ‘I can’t remember’, ‘I didn’t understand it to mean that’???!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬
“Now my first lie has been shown up, it’s time to change my story and pretend to not understand or remember anything….”
Expert witness uses the alibi that he didn’t know he was an expert witness 😳
I know, hysterical isn’t it!😂 Like an alternate universe.
I believe he genuinely didn't. Haven't you ever known a tech guy who was totally wrapped up the tech he worked with to the exclusion of everything else?
@@cassandratq9301 He was given legal instructions explaining the duties of an expert witness. He also claimed that he didn’t realise a report he had written was a report 😳
Yes and he really enjoyed being given the moniker of "Dr and distinguished engineer" so yes he did see himself as an "expert"
He’s full of it, the doddering old fool act is not working, he lied constantly for years
I agree. Sadly everyone's falling for his act and calling him a scapegoat
I disagree, ageist remark. He is obviously intelligent and knows what to say even though he is often lying.
@reecethe He might get charged with perjury though.
I suspect he is a hell of a lot more intelligent than reecethe
@@stellamemory2098 not ageist in the slightest , he is cunning though and lies smoothly to cover his obvious cover up for the bugs in horizon that led to hundreds of unsafe prosecutions
I am incompetent because I don't remember reading an email so you can't say I am incompetent as an 'expert' witness.
Strange how they only forget things that incriminate them…..
"I don't remember reading this letter" - actually means " I read the letter and understood its implications and dismissed it"
Disturbing how many POL & associates suffer from amnesia?
Something in the air at POL and FJ, clearly. 🙄
All of them, it seems to be the standard defence.
Yeah they've all learnt it from the same book
Can't comprehend a letter but can vouch that an immensely complex system like Horizon was completely reliable. Knew that remote access was baked in but not that it was being used in reality?
He'd been with ICL/Fujitsu from the 70's so how many other systems need serious review?
I think frankly that this whole travesty brings into question much of what has been taken as trustworthy in situations of power Imbalance. Power corrupts and the whole "computer says no" scenario has been abused to strengthen that.
Fortunately this is what he will be remembered for. What a legacy.
What a bloody liar.
Your honor, the speed limit does not apply to me because i had not received a copy of the law and if i had... i have forgotten what i read. So yeah, i drove too fast but it's not a problem.
Neither am i worried that my negligence and dereliction of duty have directly lead to innocent people being sent to jail. I really could not care less.
Yours sincerely, mr Jenkins
Crooks the lot of em
Here’s the problem with your “amnesia” defence sir.
Maybe you decided to act dishonestly…and you’ve now forgotten that decision?
You did read the letter in full, decided to ignore the letter for the next five years.
But now you’ve forgotten how dishonest you were during that period of time.
A good and funny point, except the Public Enquiry rules does not allow it. It would be acceptable in the Crown Court as there are different legal procedure rules; and the bonus is, the jury gets to have a good laugh on that one of yours!
He is admitting his inability to read and comprehend the detail of a simple Letter. WTF. Just giving excuses for his incompetance.
None of them show any remorse for the upset and pain that they caused so many people by lying and not doing their job 🤬
Those people will now get PILES of money from POL + FJ.
He was caught out 😅😅😅😅
MY big drama with Mr Jenkins is that he is an engineer and most engineers I know read everything (twice) to ensure that get ALL the detail. You dont just scan over plans, you donit just scan over technical requirements etc, if so hes not much of an engineer.
He DID read the tech stuff, right?
It's the legal stuff he skipped.
Certainly found out here, so much for being a so called 'expert witness'...
Jason Beer is very professional and his team should get knighted ❤
Jason Beer is truly awesome, his memory is prodigious.
How the Hell! did this person get such a senior post. I hope he will able to remember the day he is in court. If that does not happen then the inquire as also fail Post office Managers
Throw away the key
It would appear that chronic amnesia has spread from former PO employees and managers to Fujitsu officers as well
Who doesn't thoroughly read and digest a letter from a lawyer regarding an important court case he is likely to be involved in? Pull the other one.
It's simple - It's contempt of court
On every prosecution that he was asked to provide evidence for he should have been reminded of his responsibilities. So even if he managed to overlook the importance of that letter on this occasion that mistake should never have happened again - and yet it did.
The POL lawyers are a clown show.
It really PAYS to lie in the British legal system!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😂
Or the defendant happens to be a well known sporting celebrity in the US legal system.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴
10:35 "If i had have understood my duties as an expert" - That is an interesting statement that probably could be said by so many people 'not understanding' their duties. And not just in the post office matter. So many people, particularly 'professionals', in my experience, have no regard for their duties.
I am struck by how casually this whole debacle was handled up to now = Officials are only NOW starting to realise they committed a cruel crime and are in deep trouble 😮
Yes, me too.
I suspect this guy's lawyer decided NOT to tell him how much trouble he was potentially in because he's more believable if he's not rehearsed.
Selective memory 🤔
Seems to be able to recall indirect questioning but not directly
Like most of us, his eyes clearly glazed over when it came to reading the legal small print. God save us all from lawyers.
I started wanting to believe this man is the "nice but a little bit dim" type.
However, in my experience there's ALWAYS a problem with people that "can't" remember or "probably" just "skimmed" a letter. Ergo not having to rely on DETAILS.
This man isn't so dim, as so much as he's probably much more on the side of sinister.
Just BIZARRE!!!
The sheer SKULLDUGGERY ..
"I wasn't really paying attention .. TO MY JOB"!!!!!
"THAT is my defense"! 😲
OH MY GOD!!!
No, he thought his JOB was just to work with and opine on the TECH.
He was 100% focused on the tech.
This is a man heavily coached by his lawyers, who know the only way he is not guilty of perjury is if he can convince a court he genuinely believed everything he said in court was the whole truth at the time and that he remained innocence of the facts that: everyone else believed him to be an "expert witness" and the duties of an expert witness. Anything out of his mouth now is in line with that fantasy, in the hopes it keeps him out of court/prison later.
yes, absolutely right. they are all sticking to the script apart from the union bod. with their lawyers watching from the back of the room. makes for some very painful discussions.
when is an expert witness not an expert witness? when its Gareth Jenkins ...
He's certainly an expert when it comes to incompetence and yet in every court where an innocent subpostmaster and subpostmistress was prosecuted they believed his evidence hook,line and sinker.Says all you need to know about so called British justice.There but for luck or chance any subpostmaster or subpostmistress could've found themselves in the same situation as the poor innocents who were convicted.Shocking.
In what universe is this man's incompetence acceptable in comparison to the injustice meted ou to the Sub Post Masters?
In the world where the sub post- masters are each compensated by PILES of money.
Didn't think he was an expert witness. I bet he used the term 'expert witness' on his CV at the time.
Prove it or you will be taken for a liar, quick grab the link, we'll expect you back in oh, I don't know, a hundred years. rofl@u
He did think he was. He just didn't understand what the term meant in a legal sense.
What a patsy
He doesn't remember creating the Lottery bug which adds large sums of fictional cash to PO balances at random.
Well you wouldn’t but I’m sure he knew why it was caused and impact then lied about them later.
I didn't act at the time, because to do so would have put me in jeopardy, careerwise or financially, so I brushed it under the carpet, and tried to forget that my lack of action sent innocent people to prison and / or bankruptcy, and drove some to suicide.
I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand, I can't remember, I didn't understand.
''Can someone press Control, Alt, Delete on Mr Jenkins please?''
OMG, this fool is going to be destroyed by Steen and Henry tomorrow
This man is lying through his teeth if he looks at this replay he must think how bad he looks in his answers he would have more credibility if he told the truth
A programmer has a nightly trained memory to remember information. He knows computer language and can remember enough to navigate and debug millions of lines of computer code, but a few lines of a letter goes straight out.
He had tunnel vision - he only saw the tech.
PO offered to pay his time. Question is whether his time was billed to PO. If so then he must have read the letter in detail.
POL paid him for all his time on legal cases. FJ had to haggle with POL over how much.
This fujitsu employee must have known about the team altering live data behind everyone's backs.
This is the most salient point.
WHAT A FRAUD
Jail jail jail
FFS. If nothing else, what about the mental torture being inflicted on Jason Beer? All would’ve, could’ve don’t know, can’t remember nonsense. None of them were using all these tactical tense formations when they were prosecuting postmasters.
Beer eats that crap for lunch. ☺️
Plus, he's highly compensated for any discomfort.
Pure obfuscation - jail would give him time to reflect more and establish the clarity he so patently lacks.
In Hindsight....Cant Remember....What is a witness statement...Not Sure...Cant Remember.....Not Sure...Sorry Cant Remember....In Hindsight.....
not reading a letter sent to him......OMG
Very glib liar, rambling on.
As all these witnesses seem to have selective memory loss, isn't it time to stop this enquiry and just prosecute all of them. If they aren't getting pulled up over their lying, as Jenkins was, what's the point of carrying on?
He’s a technical IT guy being asked to analyse data with no interest in any of the legal cases one way or another. The manipulative lawyers and managers who scoped his analysis, want to blame him for everything. IT guys simply do what managers ask them to do and that’s what has happened here. He may well be the only person to be charged with an offence because he is the low hanging fruit.
Jenkins may be the Ace in the pack for the authorities, especially the Police, but Jenkins has also been thrown under a bus, then dragged through the streets as the main villain of the piece.
Even though it's got nothing to do with this inquiry, it seems that the government has absolute conviction to support Horizon with Fujitisu for another 10 yrs. Just goes to show how reliant the system must be handling all those millions of transactions every day at the behest of Horizon and the PO. Nothing ever changes does it.
A technical IT guy with no understanding of anything beyond the technical aspect. The guy has been manipulated and led down a dangerous path without any real understanding beyond his technical mindset
Yes I’m sure he knew what was required of him. That said, he should have left company and moved on. Then once he secured new work and pension etc he tell truth. He is guilty of that. Like everyone, they all knew what was happening. Seems like the village idiot they could control.
Yep, he’s not a man manager he’s a tech geek, only capable of providing technical answers. He even said I was pushed to manage people and I said no. It’s the incompetence of Post office managers to ensure he provided what lawyers asked. It’s also the responsibility of the lawyers to check what they asked for in the letter was complied with, and it’s the responsibility of the lawyers on the SPM to cross examine the tech expert to ensure he complied with the legal requirements of being an expert. But lawyers don’t care more than getting paid
yes this x
In Hindsight.
Without any doubt, in 2003 he knew that Horizon was not robust, knows his attempt to cover up this fact is not robust. He shames the principles of an expert with integrity. Professional incompetence at the time by his own mouth, he did not understand!!!!!!!!!
Well, the reputations of expert witnesses remain intact, because he never, ever understood he was acting as one.
@@cassandratq9301 as a expert engineer, expertise is subject to integrity, the truth, which defends itself. He knew the truth, and hide behind his lack of integrity, shaming himself, not all experts.
just another one who need,s to go to JAIL
'...if you read it slowly...' The question is CAN he read? Maybe he skipped down to the pictures....
Should have started with the "don't remember".
they think they are Giving evidence and not giving evidence context.
Flimsy excuses at best … blatant lies otherwise
I never read anything that mighg later incriminate me that is my erxcuse and you bloody better believe it OK?
The more i see of this witness the more i think he is neurodivergent. He sinply does not think like a more neurotypical. He is focused on the technical aspects and has chosen to ignore anything else.
This might be ok for an internal report which without doubt he has written many. He ignores anything outside the technical stuff which is wildly incomparable with his role in court.
I am amazed that any trial judge could miss this. Indeed a defense barrister should have picked up on this in a few minutes of him appearing in court. Even the prosecuting barrister should have picked up on this in pre trial prep.
There is something very wrong with these trials. This is much more than just one witness. Clues were being missed all over the place. The judges in these trials should be asked how they missed this. This is important because if they missed with this barn door case they may have missed this problem elsewhere
Strange how his memory is pin sharp on specific items that Wouldn't cause him any grief yet can't recall those documents that have legal implications.
Yet the Subpostmasters didn't have memory issues but were implicated and sentenced regardless of Real profe that they had done anything wrong..
He definitely suffers from amnesia as he appears to have forgotten how to read.
He like many others "suffers" from selective amnesia.
Often enough when conspiracy seems to be taking place, it’s plain old stupidity and incompetence.
I'm usually in favor of conspiracy (and there was one at POL), but this guy wasn't part of it.
(Incompetence and tunnel vision for the win!)
The sub-postmasters will still get piles of money from POL + FJ.
It wasn't me...some big boys did it....
I now completely understand why he asked for immunity twice... And i am so glad it was refused. He is highly intelligent... But like rhe rest of them... Playing dumb.
Yes I did help myself to the bottle of milk but I have no recollection of doing it
Yes you can go to court lie and then say i forgot.very suspicious
Gives evidence, then is faced with documented evidence, then doesnt remember at all or understood it if he did see it.
This liar *repeatedly* provided expert evidence in malicious prosecution of the Sub-Postmasters - not just some one-off mistake (oopsie) but unwavering testimony that the system was completely reliable and could not lose money in the accounts.... whilst it was doing so constantly and had a Fujitsu team assigned to manually go in remotely and make edits to accounts at night.
We need to see Post Office executives and their lying lawyers and Fujitsu (seen here) experts doing jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.
FJ lawyers + FJ bosses to the extent they knew.
He says he was never told he was considered an expert witness, yet Jarnail Singh stated in an email that he had "Instructed Mr Jenkins" prior to a trial.
A lawyer does not "Instruct" a witness of fact. They instruct an "Expert witness".
Either Singh or Jenkins aren't telling the truth.
And we know Mr Singh always told the truth. He said in evidence that he didn’t know how to 'save' an email. Mm.
@@telsurrey1 He also said he didn't know how to print either.
Click. Click. Ooh that was easy.
A 5 year old can do it.
Singh is so toast for what he has done.
@@telsurrey1 I suspect that he was one of the traditional solicitors who wrote everything on paper for his secretary to do the typing and present a typed copy of his paperwork. During the 80/90s I was aware that some Chairmen and CEOs, of companies, had two secretaries to mange their work load, of which shorthand was necessary when taking dictation. But having said that I do wonder if Singh went on an IT course.
Out of his depth and trying to fool the inquiry
If Jenkins wasn't Instructed as an expert witness, then why was he called upon to give evidence in a trial as a person called upon to give an opinion on the software.
Only an expert witness can give an opinion. An ordinary witness can only give a statement of fact.
Jarnail Singh wrote in an email that he had "Instructed" Mr Jenkins and that he (Singh) knows that you only instruct an expert witness.
If this man does not end up where he sent many with his "expert witness" evidence, then we need another enquiry as to why!
Jail time.please. Lying over, now time for jail, forever
I love how his nose hairs mingle with the moustache. A real trend setter.
And the Post Office still uses the Horizon software
The PO is still working on a replacement for Horizon, called New Branch IT, with the first installations were supposed to occur last year, but it is now behind schedule. Whilst a PO spokesperson said: We are still working to come off Horizon. The current system was reportedly updated in 2017.
@@michaelhearn3052 Pity it couldn't be "updated" much sooner than 2017.
@@davidblythen9493 They must have forgotten to do it.
@@bugritall I doubt it.
how many people did the PO employ in head affice who got paid who seem to know nothing .do we have a list yet .
Expert? X being unknown a spurt is a drip under pressure!
Wasn’t this the “Perfect “ time to ask an “expert “ what exactly it was that actually caused Horizon to corrupt the figures in various SPMs? He has apologised to Sima Misra and other SPMs so not withstanding that he says he disagrees with Judgement that overturning their convictions, how could not agree NOW that Horizon was at fault? And therefore he must know what caused the faults - bugs or what ever - and how that fault was corrected? Or has that been spelled out by someone else and I have completely missed that? Who exactly explained that corrective action?
He's acting dumb.......
Does anyone believe he didn't understand that he had to reveal the bugs and defects in the system that he knew about? This guy went to Oxford and must know the basics of how the legal system works in Great Britain and the rest of the world. He was dropped as an expert witness because he omitted that information but neither the P.O. or Fujitsu informed the Post Masters and Mistresses who were convicted on his evidence. That is a cover-up plain and simple and people need to go to jail for that cover-up.
an honest amnesiac?
If he can’t remember the letter how does he know he only skimmed through it?
Why did POL originally, back in the late 90's/early naughties, when the very first SPM discrepancies appeared and SPM protests of innocence proffered , why did POL take their position of SPM fault/failure? Sure Fujitsu would have claimed that Horizon was innocent, but why didn't POL take an open position, undertake an independent review. What was in it for POL to take such a biased position in favor of Horizon against their own SPM organisation?
Annual bonuses.
i think he is truthful. I met many of these experts in my career, they are 100% focused on computer system and logic and are often unaware of their surroundings. He was lost in the system and easily manipulated. The evil is in the post office. He was their dupe.
Liars and monsters. Should this dishonest villain spend the rest of his life on his knees in prison begging angry psychopaths to stop hurting him ?
Jenkins did what he felt he was needed to do in light of the e mails from POL. The PO had the lack of IT knowledge for basic IT skills such as Mr Singh who did not know how to print an e mail or copy one. They failed to ask for suitable IT questions but acted as if they knew everything about Horizon.
Jenkins is not a lawyer but a software engineer who spoke in an IT engineers way.
The prosecution have to PROVE an offence ,not assert that there must be an offence as their computer is infallible 😮
Liar, liar liar liar liar liar liar
PEOPLE WENT TO PrISON….. and you sit with a great pension for telling LIES
Who you gonna call? Ghostbusters? 😡
On this letter thing, I believe him when he says he was focused on the technical stuff. All he ever seemed to care about whatever task was immediately before him at any given time. He just dismissed everything not related to the immediate task at hand as extraneous information, and therefore unimportant.
The only way to direct this guy's attention to a non-technical task is to send him a SINGLE SUBJECT EMAIL with a heading like "IMPORTANT - LEGAL ADVICE - MUST READ", and then in the email body to require him to return a reply/response in which he states he has read and acknowledged the contents. Really, to be safe, you need to brief him in person. He genuinely believed his duty to the company was to discharge his TECHNICAL expertise correctly and to the best of his ability, and that EVERYTHING else flowed from THAT.
Ignorance is no defence in law,whereas this guy seems to think if you can't remember seeing or reading an important letter then that exonerates one from the duties and responsibilities of an expert witness to a court and defence lawyers acting for subpostmasters and subpostmistresses.
10:40 " ... if I'd understood my duties as an expert ..."
On dear
The selective memory again......!!!caught out.
Lies all the way.
This guy seems to be addicted to the word "clearly" as if he thinks it will magically make everyone believe he is telling the truth.
Expert lier...
I didn’t see the letter but would have acted differently. You did receive the letter. Ahhh yes but I didn’t understand the letter 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree with exposing this disgraceful scam but I thought docs had a destruction date for data protection purposes?