I think Hasan is following the same path and warning that Peterson told Ethan. Your community will hold you to an ever increasing standard before they will consume you.
I've been see both from 2016 (i stopped seeing hasan after becoming propagandist or after gordon ramsey era so 2019 probably) and destiny is far beyond intelectual honesty, hasan is just evil speaking
I know this is a joke, but it’s absolutely the patriarchy creating the difference between them. Hasan has created a hyper masculine wealthy gym bro persona to appeal to young male fans, no different than Andrew Tate
Not really (as someone who watches Andrew Tate), Hassan doesn't give me that vibe at all. He's more feminine than he is masculine imo@@scarletsletter4466
How did hasan get away with saying "the Chinese civilised tibet" like he literally made that point just in different words and it goes right over the fans heads
@@goofiestmold3151hahaha I was actually thinking Ethan was going to say “that’s what America did in Iraq” because hasan was awfully close to sounding like an early 2000s boomer justifying invading Iraq. “Errr we are giving them freedoms and democracy. Civilizing them”
Hasan is cognitive dissonance incarnate. It is mind boggling to me that his audience allows him to be as careless as he is. It truly represents those who are attracted to his content in the first place.
Well that what you get when you make RUclips/twitch a parasocial hellscape. They put so much of their identity into hasan that if you call him out, you shatter their worldview. Call old RUclips edgy as much as you want, but at least mfrs told their 12 yr old fan base to think for themselves instead of whatever ‘tard on the internet says.
@Americansikkunt It would be charitable to Hasan to classify his recklessness as a burden of low IQ or ignorance even. He's made it blatantly obvious that he's self-aware, which makes him even more scummy.
Sounds weird, but I’m glad more and more people are starting to expose Hasan for how and who he truly is. And I’m glad that it’s from people not necessarily connected to the politics community. That way Hasan and his fans can’t just deflect by calling them Nazi’s or whatever. He CAN deflect by calling them drama farmers but that isn’t nearly as effective. Because Willy is right, he’s kinda being a self admitted lolcow.
@@edswangren6479 Like I don’t want people to think I’ve just been waiting around for Hasan to finally start getting exposed. That’s how it can come off and why I said it sounds weird, even though that’s not the case. I’m just glad it’s finally starting to happen.
I didn't actually think of the fact, that the obsessed argument could be so easily countered by just saying, this means you're a literal lolcow then. If they cop to the lolcow argument, it's all over, because nothing they say can be taken seriously, and the only arguments they can genuinely make, are ones with extremely sound logic.
@@tpolutts3309 Jon Stewart never claims to be serious though. He says they try their best to be accurate, but he never claims to be a high-profile journalist.
Willy is actually a very good debater. It's also a plus that he's always almost laughing, he's never mad, never losses his composure. Man's a walking W!
It's good that he asks people for help when people like Hasan start doing these stupid debate tactics. Destiny also taught him some terms so it shows he's willing to expand his knowledge and not pretend he knows everything.
There's 2 things that really stuck with me while watching the video. Hassan had a handful of instances where he resorted to name-calling and ad-hominem attacks, but Willy avoided name-calling in his immediate responses. But instead of derailing the conversation, he just shrugged off the lame insults and stayed on topic. The other thing I thought made him look really good, was when Hassan asked Willy to tone down any Tos violating language (Willy said something about sperging out, which apparently, is ableist language). Willy actually agreed to avoid using terms that could get the stream flagged or demonetized and treated the request seriously. And when Hassan expressed some surprise that Willy was so cooperative, Willy said something like, "Well, yeah, I mean... this is your job. I don't wanna do anything to jeopardize that". I dunno, I just find that type of humility very refreshing... especially in an online environment.
I think the reason Willy did so well in the Hasan debate was Willy is not a political person, he’s just a normal guy with common sense who’s not bogged down by any political ideology that Hasan can straw man. Willy was not criticizing his politics, he was criticizing his character which Hasan couldn’t defend.
@@chunkyboy9266 i know. im just saying he wasn't distracted or thrown off by the chat cultists. willymac was on a warpath. and all hasan could do was call him an idiot the entire debate.
How can a complete stranger "debate" someone's character? There's a very good reason he couldn't answer, Willy was talking nonsense. Hasan was there to engage with criticism of his commentary but Willy had nothing and they don't know each other so there could be no real discussion of his character
Hassan is Unironicly a destiny pipeline. Normies like myself start watching Hassan, realize how stupid he is, and then click on the recommended destiny video 😂.
@@mauroquinones5145 not to Hasan’s chat, but in my eyes, definitely. - He stayed on topic qhen Hasan tried to shift the goalpost, called him out on it - Called out his BS when he came to the discussion unprepared. - Called out his hypocrisy when he made fun of Willy for not being able to point to a clip of his own video on the fly, even though the debate wasn’t scheduled or anything, etc. He basically proved his points by noticing when Hasan was doing the things he was being criticized for, live.
I think Willy did well for an impromptu debate. Obviously if both sides had time to prepare, then the debate was a sh!tshow from both sides, but we have to give props to how quickly Willy realized Hasan was all bark and no bite. I guess debating is easier when you have the correct take.
Yea because he’s not a news reporter, he’s a commentator. Commentators give their opinions on what’s in front of them. You do know the difference right?
@@hialeahtheo Because a commentator isn't an excuse to make groundless public speculation on breaking news. That's irresponsible no matter what your job title is.
@@hialeahtheo The story from 4 years ago in the clip that August included in this video was about some Black kid that got shot while sitting in a car. Hasan immediately spun it into a narrative about hate crimes. And then later it was revealed that the shooter was Black and it was a gang related shooting. Hasan was making the argument to Destiny that it's fine to make speculations about breaking news, and Destiny argued the opposite.
He doesn't even know who Matt Walsh is, has no degree in politics, and has given nearly no takes or contributed to the discourse at all. and he sounds like he was conceived in a parking lot.
@@18andcloudyYeeda was clearly making a joke, not calling for him to have a political show. He already has a “show” (RUclips channel, really) called the WillyMac Show
@@18andcloudy I think the joke flew right over your head. I also didn't know you are only allowed to run a show if you have a degree in politics or know who Matt Walsh is. Let's tell Austin he has to quit Love or Host. Linus Tech Tips should also quit RUclips I guess. I bet this was also the reason Dr Disrespect was banned off twitch. He didn't have a politics degree
I love how 'normal' Willy is, it's actually so refreshing listening to someone that doesn't know about philosophical terms like epistemology and a marketing term like audience capture. Reminds me of how the majority of people actually talk.
The thing i really like about August is how he/she integrates old clips and videos for context. So even a new viewer comes they will have full knowledge about all the talking points.
It's actually kind of amazing how poorly Hasan painted himself into a corner with the Ethan issue, like, he made sure he was going to look like a complete idiot during that argument
@@JackDaniels-ru2xy by using pro colonization retoric to justify the tibet/taiwan invasion? Aka going entirely against his own supposed principles without being aware. The same stuff could come out of the mouth of a hardcore zionist. So it turns into a "Its ok if china does it but if west does it its bad" angle.
@@JackDaniels-ru2xy I mean ethan's take for the convo was "here is how israelis and jews as a whole could feel about "to the river to the sea" slogan". He also made it very clear that he does not hold those feelings himself its just him sympathizing with Israelis and he can see how that slogan makes them fearful. Hasan the entire convo asserts, along with his audience, that the fact that Ethan even sympathizing with the possibility of jews feeling that way makes him a zionist, settler support, pro genocide guy.
@@garywebb2432 Not following you, but I'll just clarify that I do agree that it's better to wait for information before making authoritative statements on something. But if I were to see definitive proof of abusive & horrific treatment of a partner by someone the way we saw Crowder behave towards his wife, I wouldn't sit there like Destiny with his sus ass relationship history & say "umm aktually maybe we should wait for more info & the facts of this." Everyone at the time agreed in those videos that destiny was showing his ass because his relationship advice is really fucking compromised, so it came off like he was hiding skeletons in his closet & knew it which is why he wasn't keen to really call it out harshly.
As a former Hassan fan, I realized that I should take what he says with a grain of salt once he admitted he's a propagandist. (Which is weird considering he's always saying people are spreading propaganda) I do think it would go a long way if he at least tried to defend his positions, but he never does and instead immediately tries to shut down any criticisms. In hindsight this is starting to feel like more of a cult than a community.
Literally just started watching Destiny yesterday after seeing Willy’s videos on Hasan, after watching the shit show that ended up being the last Leftovers episode(I watch H3 stuff occasionally but not much Leftovers or Hasan), and I like someone that so easily can grow and admit when they have a bad take on something
Just playing devil’s advocate but, what mistake did destiny admit to here? His answer was a little slippery where he didn’t really specific an instance where he got something really wrong and corrected it, he more just gave a general answer about what everyone else usually does and how he’s different
A little slippery? Are you fucking slow? You want destiny to verbalize every single foot note, citing each part of his life in any and every conversation?
As a conservative, finding Destiny was like a breath of fresh air. I like to listen to other perspectives and having to see and hear literal lies from someone like Hasan, just makes other conservatives like me wanna stay away from doing that. I disagree with Destiny on many things but I find myself coming back to his videos just to keep myself grounded and hear the other side from someone who's not insane.
Agree, I disagree with almost everything he says, but I actually still listen to him because I trust him. He doesn't argue in bad faith, he researches and will admit when he's wrong, and does actually offer a good argument. So I do hear the guy out. People like Hassan and Vaush on the other hand, I just can't stand because they don't argue in good faith whatsoever, it's always point scoring and gotcha's. Hasan is 10x worse though because he's nowhere near as smart and just makes shit up on the spot and goes with it. Then when he's called out on it he behaves like a petulant child and all his minions come to his defence. He's so irresponsible to a point where I consider him dangerous. A lot of gullible young people follow him and believe every word he says and he encourages extremist views and behaviours.
Yep. Destiny's the only one i can listen to and gives solid criticisms from time to time. Better than most criticism from the mainstream Right and Left. Even though most of my values tend to lean Right.
It is fair to call out Ben Shapiro out on audience capture, but I think Hasan is on another level with it. Case in point is the last time Ethan of h3h3 and Hasan really talked on stream. At one point, Ethan talks about how Hasan's audience was going after him, and Hasan responds basically saying that Ethan must deserve it. Hasan in that moment reveals himself to be so spineless that he won't even raise a finger to defend someone who is _supposed to be his friend._ This is one of the many examples of why I think that if fascism rises in the US, it is going to come from the left.
I don't think either are dealing with audience capture, Shapiro is a lifelong conservative and actively sought to build his audience around that, same with Hasan. They like being the "thought" leaders in these domains. I also wouldn't be too doomer about it, right wingers are more pernicious in their old age, but Hasan fans are kids and kids will grow. Hasan has positioned himself as the highschool college radical activist icon and those people will move on. Why else do you think he has to queue up horror games, he has to keep appealing to kids in his stream so he can then pump them full of tankie talking points.
@@bb_poison I would agree with you if the subject weren't the realm of real world politics. As much as they might "move on" later, that time is in the distant future at best. In the here and now, they're doing a lot of damage all over the place because they're all being taught by proxy that activism is better than critical thinking, and that is even on the subjects that are supposed to involve critical thinking.
@@FusionArmorX you just have to trust that this is phenomena is not unique and that has occurred in every generation. Very much so like how every teenager thinks they have the world figured out. Sure it the perception of it might feel worse, because of social media acting as a megaphone, but every generation goes through this phase. It being politics doesn't make it immune, politics for most people stem from their feelings and that changes as they grow. Breadtube dying as fast as it grew is emblematic of that.
@@bb_poison If some of the left's points about how one's influences determine their personality later in life hold true, then we're setting ourselves up to have a generation of arbitrarily political zealots who are across-the-board far more monstrous than the people they claim to be against
@@LordSeth-hf8ew He's actually lost like 30 pounds since the beginning of the year he's doing a really good job with it. I think having his boys made him realize how important his health is if he wants to be around to see them grow up.
Haha it always get's me that Destiny answers when someone calls with: "What do you want" in kinda tired tone 😅 Then after the call is like: "All peace, see ya love you" 😂 Just something I've noticed, nothing to it really but I just find it funny.
I came from Hassan and for the first month of watching I was sil confused on why they hated each other so much, because it seemed like Destinies views alligned so closely except just less extreme. Only after seeing hasans arguments get broken down did I realise lol.
I used to want so bad for Destiny and Hasan to mend their differences, but now I just want to see him crush Hasan. I can't believe how obnoxious I find him now, after being a fan for a while.
Oh but Tibet was a well known slave state apparently though lol. That's like him saying europe did native americans a favor because they were just warring savages that didn't even have a written language...unhinged.
@@metaempiricist precisely. If we’re going to say more advanced civilizations have a right to conquer more regressive ones, we’re gonna start sounding a lot like the European powers during the colonial era. (And Israel should get a Big hall pass since it could be argued they were attacked before the nakba and didn’t necessarily have colonial designs)
I find it kind of nice how at first destiny seemed really annoyed to be talking with Willy, but by the end they seemed to be having a pretty good time.
The bigger Destiny gets the more we will finally see some of the craziness disappear from discourse. Destiny is unironically the true red pill. And all these creators are starting to shit themselves.
Sigh.... Destiny's ability to intelligently analyze people and catching every misstep every inconsistency every hidden intention.. Just makes him the BEST for drama. 🤤 On top of all that intellectual stuff he does he's really the one stop shop in all streaming. We don't deserve him...😢
I’ve been a hasan fan for around 3 years and never heard him openly say Destiny’s name or even have his face pulled up. The only recent time was that debate video on jubilee way before this whole willy mac situation. That was one time in 3 years. Kind of wild seeing him cover destiny like this so openly. He’s not beating the ‘desperate’ allegations soon
I’m not usually a fan of this type of content, but I cannot get ENOUGH of the negative coverage of Hasan. If anyone deserves to be taken down a Peg or 6, it would be Hasan. His content is devoid of value, and he has ZERO redeeming qualities of which to speak.
Its truly hilarious to me watching Destiny pre-hasan, hating Hasan on TYT, seeing Hasan rise as a streamer, and now seeing Hasan self imploding. The vindication is palpable.
I've been down, and kind of depressed lately. But, hearing Hassan say "My job is you cut through the misinformation" I laughed so hard I peed a bit. Good times.
i always thought destiny was very well spoken. Ive never gotten the sense that she was anything other than a woman who is passionate about politics and her own stances on things.
I really appreciate how WillyMac has handled this. I wasnt a huge fan, only watched a handful of his videos. But i love his debate style and hes actually good at it. He stays really level and you can tell hes smiling while hes debating, making jokes instead of getting heated. Its an effective strategy and its fun to listen to.
Wouldn’t it be great if Ethan and Destiny started a podcast together after this that got even bigger than leftovers and they destroyed Hassan’s fan base? One can dream.
Even though destiny is a leftist, he is very intellectually integritable. Everyone has imperfections but even as a conservative, I an interested in his opinion because I believe he is as unbiased on the left as you can get.
i unfollowed hasan prolly 2 years ago when he started doing the hating on white people thing while crying about racism or when he champions himself as a lgbt ally but then degrades individuals in his chat who seem mostly reasonable but disagree with him. hes unironically got napoleon syndrome and its so obvious.
ultimate irony from this is that Destiny is making reasonable critiques about Hasan while Willy is doing his best to egg on Destiny to trash Hasan. Like Willy was unfairly targeted by Hasan, but man Willy is trying way too hard
The whole idea of him centering on that one bit of criticism reminds me of how narcissists handle criticism. You can 90% agree and 10% not and that 10% to them is you attempting to deconstruct their entire argument and they single out on that, and demonizr and attack you. Darvo you type shit.
“confidently unsure” not to say that Destiny is one of our times greatest minds, but I’m rather confident that all of the greatest minds are very aware that there is a lot they don’t know but they speak confidently on what that can solidly back up.
Hasan's views are so inconsistent with what comes out of his mouth. He thinks he's staunchly against imperialism, but the reality is he's only against AMERICAN imperialism and he has on different occasions defended imperialism for Russia, China, and downplayed Nazi Germany's imperialism. It's like the only thing that runs through his brain is "American interests bad" and works his position out from there... Even if you think he's an intelligent person, you have to admit Hasan's logic is really terrible and inconsistent when it comes to foreign affairs
You both are absolutely right about Hasanabi I agree I been watching him for a few years he starting to lie more to me I actually like his videos at first he really doesn’t like criticism he needs to admit he is wrong sometimes it’s nothing wrong with it first time commenting
I love how Willy doesnt openly know much about all about these subjects, but us willing 5o admit. Unlike many people it adds to his credibility by minimally biasing his criticisms.
Ironically I actually became leftist from hasan's youtube. Later I started watching destiny and was very easily shown how I was lied to and how I allowed Hasan, vaush, and people like him poison my mind. I am extremally glad I found you Destiny, I know I am just some rando, but thanks. Thanks for being honest and digging for the truth, I really appreciate you.
31:30 Ben goes against his base all the time regarding Trump for an example. That's way bigger than healthcare and he brings it up in contrast to his audience. I wouldn't say Ben is bad faith in that manner in comparison to Hasan
The "Ben Shapiro will lie for his audience" thing is BS imo. Dude's the most outspoken anti-trump republican. I'll never say he NEVER bends things to appease the audience, but Ben is one of the ones attempting to be more real.
The thing I really want to know is how insane his networking must be. Other top commentators are scared to even talk about the crazy things he says. He was directly going after Critikal and Charlie just acted like it didn’t happen and immediately moved on from him. He’s being protected by these people and it’s hard to understand why.
i don't think it's irony per se. I think it rather shows that people like Destiny do research, while Hasan already has his ideology-driven narrative cemented in his stream.
I remember when hasan was created (his online persona) im happy more and more youtubers and other creators are just roasting hasan on crazy level dude is falling off. Glad destiny is outgrowing him
Meh I'm a libertarian wack job, so I watch Destiny not because I agree with him on a bunch of stuff (he has some good takes in my opinion) but as a check on my biases. It is good to have a healthy diversity of content to listen to to prevent just getting sucked into brain rot whirlpool that is the Internet these days.
Can confirm the 1 destiny video conversion, so glad I have the ability to view all content with an open mind, Hasan was my introduction to the "left" until I saw how unhinged he was.
People find it annoying when I correct minor details related to fact. Most of the time, I am correcting myself to avoid being taken out of context. Hasan has never learned to do that and he is the consequence of people brushing this characteristic off as being annoying or just autistic.
Destiny warned Hasan against breaking news debate►ruclips.net/video/0FcDO7jYQQ8/видео.html
I think Hasan is following the same path and warning that Peterson told Ethan. Your community will hold you to an ever increasing standard before they will consume you.
Just gonna point out that this is just a Hypothesis, I am mostly convinced That Hasan Is literally giving Ethan a Brain tumor.
Willy is great
.... im just happy ppl keep calling him out keep it up
I didn’t know your position changed what exactly is different from your opinion in the video
Watching Destiny slowly outgrow Hasan is one of my greatest pleasures in life.
How do you track hasans popularity? Cuz they dont share platforms. Hasan yt has always sucked and hes only on twitch
LSF most likely@@ostdog9385
@@ostdog9385 there are websites that track twitch metrics. Hasans average viewership has been falling steadily for months
@@ostdog9385 View numbers when they stream I guess and compare youtube channel views.
I've been see both from 2016 (i stopped seeing hasan after becoming propagandist or after gordon ramsey era so 2019 probably) and destiny is far beyond intelectual honesty, hasan is just evil speaking
If not for the patriarchy, Destiny would've ougrown Hasan a long time ago. Not easy being a female content creator.
Very true and brave
Based
I know this is a joke, but it’s absolutely the patriarchy creating the difference between them. Hasan has created a hyper masculine wealthy gym bro persona to appeal to young male fans, no different than Andrew Tate
Not really (as someone who watches Andrew Tate), Hassan doesn't give me that vibe at all. He's more feminine than he is masculine imo@@scarletsletter4466
Amazin
How did hasan get away with saying "the Chinese civilised tibet" like he literally made that point just in different words and it goes right over the fans heads
Most of his fans either agree with it or don't have the mental capacity to comprehend what he said.
Ethan was about to say America did that to the native Americans (which is true) and everyone would have lost their shit
@@goofiestmold3151 holy so thats what ethan was trying to say lmaoo
@@goofiestmold3151hahaha I was actually thinking Ethan was going to say “that’s what America did in Iraq” because hasan was awfully close to sounding like an early 2000s boomer justifying invading Iraq. “Errr we are giving them freedoms and democracy. Civilizing them”
I dont think he gets away actually. With each situation like this he loses a little bit of audience. He will keep losing viewers.
Hasan is cognitive dissonance incarnate.
It is mind boggling to me that his audience allows him to be as careless as he is. It truly represents those who are attracted to his content in the first place.
His skull is well insulated, I think that's how he seems to have such a high tolerance to it.
Well that what you get when you make RUclips/twitch a parasocial hellscape. They put so much of their identity into hasan that if you call him out, you shatter their worldview.
Call old RUclips edgy as much as you want, but at least mfrs told their 12 yr old fan base to think for themselves instead of whatever ‘tard on the internet says.
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Cognitive Dissonance?
Or simply Low IQ?
@Americansikkunt It would be charitable to Hasan to classify his recklessness as a burden of low IQ or ignorance even. He's made it blatantly obvious that he's self-aware, which makes him even more scummy.
Sounds weird, but I’m glad more and more people are starting to expose Hasan for how and who he truly is. And I’m glad that it’s from people not necessarily connected to the politics community. That way Hasan and his fans can’t just deflect by calling them Nazi’s or whatever. He CAN deflect by calling them drama farmers but that isn’t nearly as effective. Because Willy is right, he’s kinda being a self admitted lolcow.
lolcow Hisssan
His behavior lends itself to slowly decaying the way it is.
Why would that be a weird thing to think?
@@edswangren6479 Like I don’t want people to think I’ve just been waiting around for Hasan to finally start getting exposed. That’s how it can come off and why I said it sounds weird, even though that’s not the case. I’m just glad it’s finally starting to happen.
I didn't actually think of the fact, that the obsessed argument could be so easily countered by just saying, this means you're a literal lolcow then. If they cop to the lolcow argument, it's all over, because nothing they say can be taken seriously, and the only arguments they can genuinely make, are ones with extremely sound logic.
I love how one day Hasan claims to be this serious, hard-hitting journalist and the next day its "I'm just a guy on the internet bro haha"
He wants all the credit and respect of being a unbiased journalist, but none of the responsibility. It's pretty typical hasan hypocrisy.
It's the Jon Stewart / Tucker Carlson dichotomy. When I'm right I'm a super serious journalist. When wrong I'm just an entertainer.
Don't forget the day he called himself a propagandist, too.
@@FusionArmorX Same day he said he thinks he does a better job of journalism than mainstream news
@@tpolutts3309 Jon Stewart never claims to be serious though. He says they try their best to be accurate, but he never claims to be a high-profile journalist.
Willy is actually a very good debater. It's also a plus that he's always almost laughing, he's never mad, never losses his composure. Man's a walking W!
I just made a similar comment, its such an effective strategy
It's good that he asks people for help when people like Hasan start doing these stupid debate tactics. Destiny also taught him some terms so it shows he's willing to expand his knowledge and not pretend he knows everything.
There's 2 things that really stuck with me while watching the video. Hassan had a handful of instances where he resorted to name-calling and ad-hominem attacks, but Willy avoided name-calling in his immediate responses. But instead of derailing the conversation, he just shrugged off the lame insults and stayed on topic.
The other thing I thought made him look really good, was when Hassan asked Willy to tone down any Tos violating language (Willy said something about sperging out, which apparently, is ableist language). Willy actually agreed to avoid using terms that could get the stream flagged or demonetized and treated the request seriously. And when Hassan expressed some surprise that Willy was so cooperative, Willy said something like, "Well, yeah, I mean... this is your job. I don't wanna do anything to jeopardize that". I dunno, I just find that type of humility very refreshing... especially in an online environment.
But what does he know about anything though? why are you supporting a guy with no takes of his own outside of hating Poki on twitter?
He was mad at some points but I don't blame him
I think the reason Willy did so well in the Hasan debate was Willy is not a political person, he’s just a normal guy with common sense who’s not bogged down by any political ideology that Hasan can straw man.
Willy was not criticizing his politics, he was criticizing his character which Hasan couldn’t defend.
I really enjoyed him not sobbing and sulking like Ethan. Completely ignoring the unhinged Hasan audience. Masterful.
@@tukos7370that’s completely different
@@chunkyboy9266 i know. im just saying he wasn't distracted or thrown off by the chat cultists. willymac was on a warpath. and all hasan could do was call him an idiot the entire debate.
How can a complete stranger "debate" someone's character? There's a very good reason he couldn't answer, Willy was talking nonsense. Hasan was there to engage with criticism of his commentary but Willy had nothing and they don't know each other so there could be no real discussion of his character
common sense is exactly what Hasan don't have
Hassan is Unironicly a destiny pipeline. Normies like myself start watching Hassan, realize how stupid he is, and then click on the recommended destiny video 😂.
That’s exactly what happened to me. 😂
Real and true. I watch both, for different reasons though.
For me I always disliked hasan. So destiny got recommended. And it was him shitting on hasan. Been a fan ever since😂
Amen to that haha!
It's in his genes. I'm convinced his uncle is literally the alt-right pipeline.
Gotta say, huge WillyMac W when debating Hasan live. Navigated the bad faith tactics like a champ and came out on top.
*Did* he come out on top? didnt get to watch the full debate
@@mauroquinones5145 not to Hasan’s chat, but in my eyes, definitely.
- He stayed on topic qhen Hasan tried to shift the goalpost, called him out on it
- Called out his BS when he came to the discussion unprepared.
- Called out his hypocrisy when he made fun of Willy for not being able to point to a clip of his own video on the fly, even though the debate wasn’t scheduled or anything, etc.
He basically proved his points by noticing when Hasan was doing the things he was being criticized for, live.
Woahh pause, what Huge Willy you talkn about?
I think Willy did well for an impromptu debate. Obviously if both sides had time to prepare, then the debate was a sh!tshow from both sides, but we have to give props to how quickly Willy realized Hasan was all bark and no bite. I guess debating is easier when you have the correct take.
Bro...this WillyMac dude didn't know shit about shit lol. All he wanted to do was keep his hit piece going.
24:45 wow he really has always been this way LOLOL
You held your own well against Hasan, and made him look like an utter raging numpty. 😀
Yea because he’s not a news reporter, he’s a commentator. Commentators give their opinions on what’s in front of them. You do know the difference right?
@@hialeahtheo Because a commentator isn't an excuse to make groundless public speculation on breaking news. That's irresponsible no matter what your job title is.
@@Alex_Johnson_ got an example? Because I don’t think they’re groundless at all.
@@hialeahtheo The story from 4 years ago in the clip that August included in this video was about some Black kid that got shot while sitting in a car. Hasan immediately spun it into a narrative about hate crimes. And then later it was revealed that the shooter was Black and it was a gang related shooting.
Hasan was making the argument to Destiny that it's fine to make speculations about breaking news, and Destiny argued the opposite.
Man this WillyMac guy should run a show, he seems pretty reasonable
He doesn't even know who Matt Walsh is, has no degree in politics, and has given nearly no takes or contributed to the discourse at all. and he sounds like he was conceived in a parking lot.
@@18andcloudy You dont have to be a chef to say that the food is shit
@@18andcloudyYeeda was clearly making a joke, not calling for him to have a political show. He already has a “show” (RUclips channel, really) called the WillyMac Show
neither hasan has a degree on journalism or even the concepts of journalism he just keep raging while raging and thats it@@18andcloudy
@@18andcloudy I think the joke flew right over your head.
I also didn't know you are only allowed to run a show if you have a degree in politics or know who Matt Walsh is. Let's tell Austin he has to quit Love or Host.
Linus Tech Tips should also quit RUclips I guess.
I bet this was also the reason Dr Disrespect was banned off twitch. He didn't have a politics degree
I love how 'normal' Willy is, it's actually so refreshing listening to someone that doesn't know about philosophical terms like epistemology and a marketing term like audience capture. Reminds me of how the majority of people actually talk.
Not only that, but also the fact he simply asks when it's something he doesn't know.
@@CatCraine good point, also made me kind of angry when Hasan criticized him for looking up one of his own videos in their debate.
The thing i really like about August is how he/she integrates old clips and videos for context. So even a new viewer comes they will have full knowledge about all the talking points.
Only a man can be this organized
@@brian8507I take it you've never dated a woman
@@Naruto166666dating women is gay. I only date twinks
@Naruto166666 wow zing. Hey answer this question: will we ever have a woman world chess champion... who can beat all men
@brian8507 confirmed lol
It's actually kind of amazing how poorly Hasan painted himself into a corner with the Ethan issue, like, he made sure he was going to look like a complete idiot during that argument
probably even worse than an idiot, he looked like he was incapable of empathy and being a good friend
@@JackDaniels-ru2xy by using pro colonization retoric to justify the tibet/taiwan invasion? Aka going entirely against his own supposed principles without being aware.
The same stuff could come out of the mouth of a hardcore zionist. So it turns into a "Its ok if china does it but if west does it its bad" angle.
@@JackDaniels-ru2xy I mean ethan's take for the convo was "here is how israelis and jews as a whole could feel about "to the river to the sea" slogan". He also made it very clear that he does not hold those feelings himself its just him sympathizing with Israelis and he can see how that slogan makes them fearful. Hasan the entire convo asserts, along with his audience, that the fact that Ethan even sympathizing with the possibility of jews feeling that way makes him a zionist, settler support, pro genocide guy.
@@bb_poisondont be conflating zionism with kahanism
WillyMac sounds like the perfect guy from work to get drinks with and talk shit about the boss
Lmao that's so fucking funny that's the vibe I got too.
Pause.
@@ZoidSwiftHAHAHHAHAHALMAOSOFUNMYANDHILARIOUSHAHAHAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJAKA
@@couldyou4745 lighthouse
@@couldyou4745 says more about you bruh lol
"Confidently unsure" is better than confidently wrong
Debate pedophiles is probably the funniest phrase ever uttered by a human.
It’s like, debate isn’t a bad thing, so they tag the word pedophile to make that connection that its wrong lol
@@Lucabran9093they’re so scared of debates
Willy is so friendly and nice! Hope he doesn’t stop covering Hassan
Hasan is just repeating the "Wait for facts troother VS. Immediate Conclooder" meme unironically. What a time to be alive.
The same shit Destiny did when saying "wait for the facts to come out about wife beater & abuser Steven Crowder"?
@@IAmTheBugInsideYou
that's not a counter argument btw
@@garywebb2432 He's quoting a meme why do I need to provide a factual counterargument? We're not talking in intellectual certainties here
@@IAmTheBugInsideYou
referring to the thought processes
@@garywebb2432 Not following you, but I'll just clarify that I do agree that it's better to wait for information before making authoritative statements on something. But if I were to see definitive proof of abusive & horrific treatment of a partner by someone the way we saw Crowder behave towards his wife, I wouldn't sit there like Destiny with his sus ass relationship history & say "umm aktually maybe we should wait for more info & the facts of this."
Everyone at the time agreed in those videos that destiny was showing his ass because his relationship advice is really fucking compromised, so it came off like he was hiding skeletons in his closet & knew it which is why he wasn't keen to really call it out harshly.
Legend has it that everytime Hasan hears the words "Destiny", "Willy Mac" or "Candyman" uttered, his ballsack shrivels and retracts into his body.
Not even a legend just facts 💀
I think it's the other way around, where is dick is pulled back into his body and the dick, during retraction, pulls the balls back in with it
And his head gets smaller.
Is this what they call "The Dark Triad?"
And his hairline gets bigger.
As a former Hassan fan, I realized that I should take what he says with a grain of salt once he admitted he's a propagandist. (Which is weird considering he's always saying people are spreading propaganda) I do think it would go a long way if he at least tried to defend his positions, but he never does and instead immediately tries to shut down any criticisms. In hindsight this is starting to feel like more of a cult than a community.
When ever i see destiny admit he was wrong about something he believed for a long time, it makes me respect him more
It shows true growth.
Literally just started watching Destiny yesterday after seeing Willy’s videos on Hasan, after watching the shit show that ended up being the last Leftovers episode(I watch H3 stuff occasionally but not much Leftovers or Hasan), and I like someone that so easily can grow and admit when they have a bad take on something
Just playing devil’s advocate but, what mistake did destiny admit to here? His answer was a little slippery where he didn’t really specific an instance where he got something really wrong and corrected it, he more just gave a general answer about what everyone else usually does and how he’s different
A little slippery? Are you fucking slow? You want destiny to verbalize every single foot note, citing each part of his life in any and every conversation?
@@Jknxe his opinion on Hassan holding opinions only for clout
As a conservative, finding Destiny was like a breath of fresh air. I like to listen to other perspectives and having to see and hear literal lies from someone like Hasan, just makes other conservatives like me wanna stay away from doing that. I disagree with Destiny on many things but I find myself coming back to his videos just to keep myself grounded and hear the other side from someone who's not insane.
Exact same boat conservative that watches Destiny far more than conservative media.
Agree, I disagree with almost everything he says, but I actually still listen to him because I trust him. He doesn't argue in bad faith, he researches and will admit when he's wrong, and does actually offer a good argument. So I do hear the guy out.
People like Hassan and Vaush on the other hand, I just can't stand because they don't argue in good faith whatsoever, it's always point scoring and gotcha's. Hasan is 10x worse though because he's nowhere near as smart and just makes shit up on the spot and goes with it. Then when he's called out on it he behaves like a petulant child and all his minions come to his defence.
He's so irresponsible to a point where I consider him dangerous. A lot of gullible young people follow him and believe every word he says and he encourages extremist views and behaviours.
Yep. Destiny's the only one i can listen to and gives solid criticisms from time to time. Better than most criticism from the mainstream Right and Left. Even though most of my values tend to lean Right.
@@jamesmandarino6641conservative or progressive, we are all a mixture of both ideologies
@@Horizon0505iije that seems to be true I'm sure all of our policies overlap in some ways sometimes
It is fair to call out Ben Shapiro out on audience capture, but I think Hasan is on another level with it.
Case in point is the last time Ethan of h3h3 and Hasan really talked on stream. At one point, Ethan talks about how Hasan's audience was going after him, and Hasan responds basically saying that Ethan must deserve it. Hasan in that moment reveals himself to be so spineless that he won't even raise a finger to defend someone who is _supposed to be his friend._
This is one of the many examples of why I think that if fascism rises in the US, it is going to come from the left.
I don't think either are dealing with audience capture, Shapiro is a lifelong conservative and actively sought to build his audience around that, same with Hasan. They like being the "thought" leaders in these domains. I also wouldn't be too doomer about it, right wingers are more pernicious in their old age, but Hasan fans are kids and kids will grow. Hasan has positioned himself as the highschool college radical activist icon and those people will move on. Why else do you think he has to queue up horror games, he has to keep appealing to kids in his stream so he can then pump them full of tankie talking points.
@@bb_poison I would agree with you if the subject weren't the realm of real world politics. As much as they might "move on" later, that time is in the distant future at best. In the here and now, they're doing a lot of damage all over the place because they're all being taught by proxy that activism is better than critical thinking, and that is even on the subjects that are supposed to involve critical thinking.
@@FusionArmorX you just have to trust that this is phenomena is not unique and that has occurred in every generation. Very much so like how every teenager thinks they have the world figured out. Sure it the perception of it might feel worse, because of social media acting as a megaphone, but every generation goes through this phase. It being politics doesn't make it immune, politics for most people stem from their feelings and that changes as they grow. Breadtube dying as fast as it grew is emblematic of that.
@@bb_poison If some of the left's points about how one's influences determine their personality later in life hold true, then we're setting ourselves up to have a generation of arbitrarily political zealots who are across-the-board far more monstrous than the people they claim to be against
Never underestimate Hasan's ability to be a piece of shit. 😅😅😂
Thank god Ethan wised up
I wish he didn't. Seeing Ethan be the smartest person in the room when debating politics was hilarious.
i hope destiny gets him on to talk at one point.
hope he can wise up, lose some weight and start exercising so hes not depressed
@@LordSeth-hf8ew He's actually lost like 30 pounds since the beginning of the year he's doing a really good job with it. I think having his boys made him realize how important his health is if he wants to be around to see them grow up.
Haha it always get's me that Destiny answers when someone calls with: "What do you want" in kinda tired tone 😅 Then after the call is like: "All peace, see ya love you" 😂 Just something I've noticed, nothing to it really but I just find it funny.
Hamasabi as always been a breaking news propagandist.
August coming with the reciepts.
its shame there are no more dono sounds, cause 'the debate pedophiles' is on par with 'I feel like I've outpaced him, intellectually'
Truuuuue
It’s even funnier imo
I came from Hassan and for the first month of watching I was sil confused on why they hated each other so much, because it seemed like Destinies views alligned so closely except just less extreme. Only after seeing hasans arguments get broken down did I realise lol.
The baby settler beliefs are wild
I used to want so bad for Destiny and Hasan to mend their differences, but now I just want to see him crush Hasan. I can't believe how obnoxious I find him now, after being a fan for a while.
7:07 hang on - he’s in favor of the Chinese occupation of Tibet but thinks Israel is an apartheid state? At least be consistent
Oh but Tibet was a well known slave state apparently though lol. That's like him saying europe did native americans a favor because they were just warring savages that didn't even have a written language...unhinged.
@@metaempiricist precisely. If we’re going to say more advanced civilizations have a right to conquer more regressive ones, we’re gonna start sounding a lot like the European powers during the colonial era. (And Israel should get a Big hall pass since it could be argued they were attacked before the nakba and didn’t necessarily have colonial designs)
@@8020drummer Yes exactly. These guys come full circle every time because they don't pay attention to history.
Seems pretty consistent since he’s pro union defeating the confederacy in Americas civil war.
@@hialeahtheo oh! I should ask - are you an wumao? Cause that’s a very wumao talking point.
Hamas "Baby Setller" Piker is my new nickname for him XD
“I have no clue who Matt Walsh is” …. imagine how nice that must be 😩
That sucks tbh, Matt Walsh is awesome. "What is a woman?" was a great movie
Destiny of the past warning Hasan that covering breaking news would be his downfall, is just chef's kiss.
I find it kind of nice how at first destiny seemed really annoyed to be talking with Willy, but by the end they seemed to be having a pretty good time.
he was in a bad mood from tech issues he was dealing with
Shout out to August for the awesome job editing this one
The bigger Destiny gets the more we will finally see some of the craziness disappear from discourse. Destiny is unironically the true red pill. And all these creators are starting to shit themselves.
Sigh.... Destiny's ability to intelligently analyze people and catching every misstep every inconsistency every hidden intention.. Just makes him the BEST for drama. 🤤 On top of all that intellectual stuff he does he's really the one stop shop in all streaming. We don't deserve him...😢
You are not real there's is no actual way
Stop the glaaaaze
@18andcloudy Destiny is the path to my singularity for if I am just an AI, how then could I love? And I love.. Oh how I love. ❤
@@johnniiee146 lol bro relax
Go out and touch some grass buddy. You need it.
colonialists did the native Americans a favour - Hasan basically
More akin to the American civil war instead of colonizer’s but sure.
People are leaving Hasan for Destiny like people are leaving California for Florida. 😂
Like destiny left L.A. for Miami
I’ve been a hasan fan for around 3 years and never heard him openly say Destiny’s name or even have his face pulled up. The only recent time was that debate video on jubilee way before this whole willy mac situation. That was one time in 3 years. Kind of wild seeing him cover destiny like this so openly. He’s not beating the ‘desperate’ allegations soon
I’m not usually a fan of this type of content, but I cannot get ENOUGH of the negative coverage of Hasan. If anyone deserves to be taken down a Peg or 6, it would be Hasan.
His content is devoid of value, and he has ZERO redeeming qualities of which to speak.
45:34 proof that Hasan is destiny and we are all being trolled
Its truly hilarious to me watching Destiny pre-hasan, hating Hasan on TYT, seeing Hasan rise as a streamer, and now seeing Hasan self imploding.
The vindication is palpable.
He always sucked.
I've been down, and kind of depressed lately. But, hearing Hassan say "My job is you cut through the misinformation" I laughed so hard I peed a bit. Good times.
before i even watch the video, i know the title is fake. they will never speak to eachother again
Hence why it's in past tense, they did it in the past
Nah they really do debate again in this video just fast forward
Try reading it again
Never say never there is a scenario I have where aliens come to earth and make them fuck
People nowadays literally have the reading comprehension of a sperm
i always thought destiny was very well spoken. Ive never gotten the sense that she was anything other than a woman who is passionate about politics and her own stances on things.
I really appreciate how WillyMac has handled this. I wasnt a huge fan, only watched a handful of his videos. But i love his debate style and hes actually good at it. He stays really level and you can tell hes smiling while hes debating, making jokes instead of getting heated. Its an effective strategy and its fun to listen to.
I wouldn't call it a debate style but how he presents himself.
Wouldn’t it be great if Ethan and Destiny started a podcast together after this that got even bigger than leftovers and they destroyed Hassan’s fan base? One can dream.
for all those that paid attention to destiny’s stream he did a full on historical course on stream then learned all the countries there as well.
Bro this man said Destiny's confidently unconfident, not sure, and also sure. The double think is AMAZING.
Everytime Hasan says “debate pervert” now I’m just gonna think of him during the WillyMac debate
nah ethan should bring Leftovers back, and host it with someone who isn't happy that people are dying.
Even though destiny is a leftist, he is very intellectually integritable. Everyone has imperfections but even as a conservative, I an interested in his opinion because I believe he is as unbiased on the left as you can get.
Just like Anna kasparian, we are waiting for destiny to realize he is a conservative. Maybe we he is 80 years old but it will happen
@@johnlasseigne7676 Lmao he doesn't like Hasan, that doesn't make him a conservative.
@@johnlasseigne7676Ana is still radicalized in her views. Still screaming at the camera. She will switch when she loses more followers.
Based WillyMac/Destiny collab W, Cringe Hamas Piker L
The most surprising takeaway from this video is that Destiny used to play COD.
i unfollowed hasan prolly 2 years ago when he started doing the hating on white people thing while crying about racism or when he champions himself as a lgbt ally but then degrades individuals in his chat who seem mostly reasonable but disagree with him. hes unironically got napoleon syndrome and its so obvious.
ultimate irony from this is that Destiny is making reasonable critiques about Hasan while Willy is doing his best to egg on Destiny to trash Hasan. Like Willy was unfairly targeted by Hasan, but man Willy is trying way too hard
Isn't it mildly ironic that one of the boys who was stabbling Jewish children in east Jerusalem was named "Hassan"
The whole idea of him centering on that one bit of criticism reminds me of how narcissists handle criticism. You can 90% agree and 10% not and that 10% to them is you attempting to deconstruct their entire argument and they single out on that, and demonizr and attack you. Darvo you type shit.
27:20 why did his voice get so much deeper in the last 4 years? Did he hit puberty or does he consciously try to have a deeper voice??
low testiny
“confidently unsure” not to say that Destiny is one of our times greatest minds, but I’m rather confident that all of the greatest minds are very aware that there is a lot they don’t know but they speak confidently on what that can solidly back up.
Hasan's views are so inconsistent with what comes out of his mouth. He thinks he's staunchly against imperialism, but the reality is he's only against AMERICAN imperialism and he has on different occasions defended imperialism for Russia, China, and downplayed Nazi Germany's imperialism. It's like the only thing that runs through his brain is "American interests bad" and works his position out from there... Even if you think he's an intelligent person, you have to admit Hasan's logic is really terrible and inconsistent when it comes to foreign affairs
You both are absolutely right about Hasanabi I agree I been watching him for a few years he starting to lie more to me I actually like his videos at first he really doesn’t like criticism he needs to admit he is wrong sometimes it’s nothing wrong with it first time commenting
I believe he's a narcissist.
Great video colab. Was waiting for this. Have a lot of respect for willymac
Hasan just needs a good knockout from Mr. Goldstriker
The amount of worlds destiny collides with is unmatched
I love how Willy doesnt openly know much about all about these subjects, but us willing 5o admit. Unlike many people it adds to his credibility by minimally biasing his criticisms.
Ironically I actually became leftist from hasan's youtube. Later I started watching destiny and was very easily shown how I was lied to and how I allowed Hasan, vaush, and people like him poison my mind. I am extremally glad I found you Destiny, I know I am just some rando, but thanks. Thanks for being honest and digging for the truth, I really appreciate you.
Should have brought out the "A T-shirt bro?"
The editing on the videos is getting better 👍🏽
This was a great convo.
wtf is wrong with being confidently unsure 😂
I love you having hassan raging at the end to the "freedom forgive me" AOT featured song 😂😂😂
If hasan had his way we’d all be in re-education camps remember that
True
31:30 Ben goes against his base all the time regarding Trump for an example. That's way bigger than healthcare and he brings it up in contrast to his audience. I wouldn't say Ben is bad faith in that manner in comparison to Hasan
my life would be made if destiny debated matt walsh and humiliated him
Debate him on what? On what is a woman?
Social media is like spending an eternity in highschool hell
Yeah you misjudged Hasan on ideology. Dude has been like this since his YT days from what I remember.
Hopefully Willy comes around more. Love seeing some of my favorite creators collaborating
The "Ben Shapiro will lie for his audience" thing is BS imo. Dude's the most outspoken anti-trump republican. I'll never say he NEVER bends things to appease the audience, but Ben is one of the ones attempting to be more real.
Song parody of "date rape" called "debate rape" with the line "I take no pity on men of this kind even though he's now left intellectually behind"
How fortunate WillMac is to not have any concept of Matt Walsh😂😂😂
i wonder how much august contributes to destiny's fanbase simply by making his entire youtube channel extremely fucking clean
maybe august finest work yet. The clips are so good!
The thing I really want to know is how insane his networking must be. Other top commentators are scared to even talk about the crazy things he says. He was directly going after Critikal and Charlie just acted like it didn’t happen and immediately moved on from him. He’s being protected by these people and it’s hard to understand why.
Because he will make them look dumb? Pretty easy to figure out dude..
You should do literally anything else
@@18andcloudyYou should literally be doing anything else than comment on this channel.
He’s got deranged fans, hitting back just gets their attention
@@18andcloudyMaybe you should pick up a hobby that doesn't involve kneepads at hassan's place.
I was a fan of hassan until the Willie mac interview when I found this channel 😂
Hasan saying "You're not sure? How bout you get sure" is peak irony.
i don't think it's irony per se. I think it rather shows that people like Destiny do research, while Hasan already has his ideology-driven narrative cemented in his stream.
37:08 If Keffals can do it, Hasan should be able to as well. He's actively choosing to continue on the path he's started on.
I wait 36-48 hours after Breaking News due to Nick Sandman, Kyle Rittenhouse, and George Floyd among so many others.
A lot of Western Media is biased
I remember when hasan was created (his online persona) im happy more and more youtubers and other creators are just roasting hasan on crazy level dude is falling off. Glad destiny is outgrowing him
34:20 Not to nitpick, but Destiny doesn't actually answer this question. He just goes over the steps he takes to make sure he's not wrong.
Yeah that's a shame, I would've liked to known what his process is.
Meh I'm a libertarian wack job, so I watch Destiny not because I agree with him on a bunch of stuff (he has some good takes in my opinion) but as a check on my biases. It is good to have a healthy diversity of content to listen to to prevent just getting sucked into brain rot whirlpool that is the Internet these days.
Hassan hamas piker is not a civilian.
Can confirm the 1 destiny video conversion, so glad I have the ability to view all content with an open mind, Hasan was my introduction to the "left" until I saw how unhinged he was.
People find it annoying when I correct minor details related to fact. Most of the time, I am correcting myself to avoid being taken out of context. Hasan has never learned to do that and he is the consequence of people brushing this characteristic off as being annoying or just autistic.