@@YourGreatPotential The odds are 100% You can derive anything you like if you're prepared to make up the context by which you 'decode' your message, which is what Waugh does.
@@mithras666 Open my mind to what? "Open my mind", in this context, seems to mean "ignore the invalid means by which Waugh achieves his results". But why should I "open my mind" to an invalid method? It's not going to improve its accuracy or trustworthiness. All I could possibly gain from this is self-delusion, and I can't see any reason why I should want to be delusional.
And the entire royal court, the queen and her consorts, everyone in Stratford, the whole Globe theatre, everyone in London, they was all in on it, and never said a word.
Bailey's Theorem? There is such a theorem but it has nothing to do with triangles and circles. Thee is a theorem that states any triangle inscribed in a circle with the diameter as its hypotenuse will be a right triangle. However, the closed curved line passing through the six points identified as corners of four triangles appears to be an eclipse, not a circle. (measured on my computer screen, if the minor axis of this elipse is 1 then the major axis is about 1.3.) That suggests that at least one of the triangles is not a right triangle.
@@olafshomkirtimukh9935 Find a reliable source image of the Sonnets and place a perfect circle over the points. It works perfectly and is not an elipse. In this youtube video the image is compressed. I would not trust any test without doing it for oneself using an original edition of the Sonnets.
The theorem about a triangle inscribed in a circle, with a diameter as its hypotenuse, is called Thales theorem. Anyway, several of the marked "right angles" were visibly not white 90 degrees - maybe none of them were exactly 90 degrees.
@@ashcross I was suddenly reminded of this passage from James Joyce's Ulysses: "It’s quite simple. He proves by algebra that Hamlet’s grandson is Shakespeare’s grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father.” (Telemachus episode)
Has anybody asked the question of why the author of Shakespeare's works wanted to hide his/her identity? Is something else encrypted into the works of Shakespeare that would bring harm to the author of the works should it be decrypted? If you wrote an epic literary work today, would you want your identity to be unknown?
The Shakespearian works had many authors working together to form a comprehensive new language..There were over 2000 “new” words that would have been completely unknown to the audience of the day. Every country of influence from the 15th century to the present has been subjected to a constant change of their native language to destroy our true history. Not unlike the Christian bible.
That’s what I wonder. What’s the point? Ok maybe a writing project like many in the past. Many topical works have been attributed to some figure of renown associated with a school or movement. But why all the coding and mystery? What’s the point? Is it to promote Christian mysticism? I suppose people like these games and that’s enough to motivate clever elite people to do such things.
Just another conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories tend to have a few features in common. One is that they are challenging an established authority of some kind. The Government, Academia, The CIA, The Royal Family etc. In this case it's the academic establishment. Secondly, the conspiracy theorists like to think of themselves as the ones who can see through all this, unlike the rest of us sheeple. This gives them an enormous sense of satisfaction. These two principles can be seen in action in all the classic conspiracy theories. The JFK assassination, the moon landing, Diana's death, 9-11, you name it, they all follow the same pattern.
@@wednesday567 There is plenty of evidence that Shakespeare wrote the works (for example, the First Folio, tesimonies by Ben Johnson and others etc..) and no evidence that anyone else did. In order to discredit the evidence for Shakespeare and propose some other author you have to resort to a conspiracy theory as described above. I was simply drawing the obvious parallels bewteen the Shakespeare conspiracies and others. They are all the product of a similar worldview.
@@zeerust2000 i dont think it has anything to do with a worldview, i used to think shakespeare wrote the folio, but u cant ignore certain codes that are imbedded in his life, even if shakespeare did write the folio u cant say that all those ciphers and codes are coincidence, its clear that his history has been tampered with
Quit the hip posing. No one’s impressed, at least I’m not. If it’s all ‘deeper than any of us know’, then how do you know it’s a hoax? Learn to think with an iota of reason, man.
Sorry, but this is not convincing at all. He simply twists and turns the text until it comes out what he wants. Example Oxford. Tauros means bull and not ox. He simply says that the tauros means ox and then puts it for the "ford", et voilà he has Oxford. In this way I can also work out from a Dutch ladies' bicycle that Edward De Vere wrote the poems.
The great Waugh. How did he miss a gigantic roadblock in 1611, Queen Anne's World of Words. Several hundred words which are in the First Folio did not enter the English lexicon until the publication of this book. While there were many versions of the plays, none were well enough written to make it into the First Folio without revising and editing to make them more readable as a book. Remember, "Shakespeare" was a linguist, the editor and revisor was also a linguist, John Florio, who gave us the voice of "Shakespeare". No doubt a hundred people had a hand in multiple revisions including Oxford, Bacon, Sidney and North before the final revisions. So no, there was no single genius author but there was a single genius editor. A work of this magnitude could only have been a collaborative effort with a genius touch at the end to provide a unifying voice.
I'm just a dude who plays video games and works at a mall... this was the most insanely interesting thing I've learned all year. This tops National Treasure!
Those video games will make you very limited. You'll understand when you're older and it hurts to move. All of those years of your young life that you wasted on these useless fantasies will be a regret, but it will be far too late. You NEVER get that time back.
@@claudius2049 What could be wrong with literally wasting the time that you have while you are young, playing games? If you cannot think of anything better to do, to occupy your life or it's so idle that all you can do is play these useless games, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm older than you are, so that allows me to make real-life comparisons that you cannot. The average 20 year old in 1967 would be pretty well rounded as far as education, and if you were to speak with them you could hold an adult conversation. The average 20 something and even 30 something today, first of all, all look the same. T-shirt, cap, and shorts. They ALL dress like little kids and see absolutely nothing wrong with that. A person with no real passion, who hasn't done the work to learn about things in a real way (Not Google) is very limited in what they know and how they behave. I can see it, but you can't. Just the fact that you are probably a guy over 20 years old who would even ask a question like that, shows it to be true.
@@Valkonnen Don’t think you can blame video games for all that. I do agree however that it’s a waste of time, but people were wasting time in 1967 too, nothing wrong with having some fun. The trick is moderation. I think internet knowlege is far worse when it comes to “limited” knowlege today, for several reasons. Just see how Google will provide easy and extraordinary shallow answers to almost any question. It hardly requires any thinking. I could find what date Napoleon died, without knowing a single thing about him, not even how to spell his name correctly. It’s a trade-off however, because the younger you are, the more well adapted to the multiple input stream of modern society you will be, and specialized knowlege should (in theory) be easier to attain. Look at how well versed young people are in the art of digital communication. Not a good trade perhaps, but older people created this world. Look at RUclips, it’s algorithms push videos of a certain length etc. for marketing reasons (based on marketing principles that were around in 1967). As a result you’d likely find several biographies of Napoleon that are under 20 min, which will do little more than career highlights that most won’t remember anyway (and probably some that claim he had ties to ancient aliens or illuminati or something). It’s not all bad though, but I recognize the general “lack” of well rounded knowlege you’re talking about. Thing is, people that grew up before internet and videogames were the ones to click celebrity news, and clickbait-y headlines. The ones to watch short cat videos and infomercial like documentaries. Later generations will take it their own ways, hopefully in a better direction. Like this guy here, he haf a great experience watching a 1,5h video of some old geezer talking, instead of entertaining himself with gaming, why criticize him for it? Young people aren’t stupid, they just grew/grow up in a different world, and while I think we should all point out when we think something important is being lost, it’s far too easy to blame it on young people “wasting their lives”.
People wonder why it took 7 years after Shakespeare died before the Folio was published. I have the answer. It took Ben three days to write his poem, but six years to work out the cryptograms.
@@ExxylcrothEagle Are you kidding? Shakespeare's existence is testified to in the Stratford parish register. Richard Quiney wrote a letter to him. He purchased New Place and the Blackfriars Gatehouse. He's recorded as receiving four yards of scarlet cloth along with the rest of his company so that he could wear the livery of King James in a procession, as a member of the King's Men. He's recorded in the cast lists of _Every Man in His Humour_ and _Sejanus His Fall_ in Ben Jonson's _Workes_ . John Webster mentions Shakespeare, along with several other contemporaneous playwrights, in his letter to the reader that prefaced _The White Devil_ . You think all of this is "imaginary"?
@@Nullifidian you do realize how easy it would be to cook those books? the Stratford parish register??? hahahahah I'm saying that Bacon was the son of Elizabeth!!! That he had a lot of access to a lot of stuff. Honestly, the things you list are completely silly when seen from a different perspective. And I'm not saying that Bacon and De Vere didn't collaborate. It really likely is a collaboration....but I don't believe that deVere was the THRUST of this. He didn't have that big of a chip on his shoulder in 1590...but Bacon definitely did.... NO, All of this is not imaginary. It is just not difficult to write these things in a ledger etc when one has the proper security clearance. And we haven't even begun to discuss 'motive'. Hamlet makes much more sense when you read it or watch it with it in mind that Bacon is the son of Elizabeth and Dudley. Dudley was only recently deceased when the first hints of Hamlet arise..... allegedly..... What role if any did the Queen have in the death of Robert Dudley? The existential despair of this character, this child, this Bacon.... HAM-let...what was it like to realize that you are the son of the Queen and at what age did that happen? Would some scrub from Stratford really be poking fun at Lord Burghley William Cecil in the character of Polonius??? I'm just getting started but I have a lot of stuff to do today...
@@ExxylcrothEagle Yes, I do realize how easy: not easy at all. In fact, it would be virtually impossible, because the Stratford parish register existed to document all the baptisms, marriages, and burials for Holy Trinity Church in Stratford. Therefore, it was _constantly_ being added to, and going back decades after the putative birth of the playwright the conspirators would have found the page already filled up with entries and no place to make a new one, because nobody in 1564 knew that they were going to have to leave a blank space to forward a conspiracy that would happen decades in the future. And I don't care what brand of lunacy you're peddling, whether it be the Prince Tudor speculation or any other kind of speculation. Speculation doesn't overturn the known documentary record. Official, personal, and literary records all show that Shakespeare existed. If you want to see it for yourself, you can visit the site Shakespeare Documented run by the Folger Library. "Honestly, the things you list are completely silly when seen from a different perspective." And what you've listed is completely silly when seen from the fact that there's not an iota of evidentiary support for it. " Dudley was only recently deceased when the first hints of Hamlet arise....." Quite. He died in 1588 and the Q1 of Shakespeare's _Hamlet_ was published in 1603. A mere fifteen years. Hardly any time at all. The earliest documented reference to _Hamlet_ is the Stationer's Register entry dated 26 July 1602 saying "James Robertes Entred for his Copie vnder the handes of mr Pasfeild and mr waterson warden A booke called the Revenge of Hamlett Prince Denmarke as yt was latelie Acted by the Lo: Chamberleyne his servantes". "The existential despair of this character, this child, this Bacon.... HAM-let..." Yes, and clearly the conspiracy reached back to the 12th century and changed the name of the figure mentioned in Saxo Grammaticus' _Gesta Danorum_ to Amleth so that it could be Anglicized as Hamlet and used to make a porcine pun on Bacon's surname four centuries later. After all, we know how easy it is to cook those books... when you have a TARDIS. "Would some scrub from Stratford really be poking fun at Lord Burghley William Cecil in the character of Polonius???" This is immaterial because Polonius isn't a representation of Lord Burghley.
@@p5rsona documented member and shareholder in Lord Chamberlain's Men/King's Men. Mentioned by contemporaries as a playwright, with specific titles mentioned. Plays published under his name. Zero evidence anyone else wrote them. Case closed.
@@michaelhorning6014 Plays published under his name. i too can have plays published under my name. nothing of what you wrote proves HE wrote them. why would he abruptly retire back in his hometown, go into farming and never write again? why nothing found with his handwriting?
Delightful! But if you keep changing the rules that govern the logic of relation, choosing one here and another there, where convenient, the whole ends up looking like hyperoxygenated numerology.... it is the mastery of the magician that gives a shiver up the spine.
Sometimes it is a sentence beginning after a section of 17 lines- ie. line 18. Sometimes it is the 17th line. Once you have decided it is 17 you can find ways to make it fit. I have already pointed out that Oxford signed himself Edward OXENFORD. The signature being entirely his choice!
A fascinating lecture on code breaking. I’m not that bright, so credit to the speaker for making it so easy for someone like me to be able to follow. Intriguing and fascinating.
Well, I could say that I expect, if you are not so bright, that you would find this talk 'intriguing and fascinating'. But that would not be fair to you at all. I don't believe that you are anything like 'not so bright' as you claim, but there is such a thing as common sense and a feeling for reality that is part of intelligence (which is not the abstract sort of thing that an IQ test suggests), and in all honesty, I think a bit of common sense, a feeling for what is real and what is not, is quite sufficient to see that the little web of deception that Mr Waugh weaves is full of holes.
@@timothyharris4708 - I did say I find it fascinating and intriguing, I didn’t say I believed every word of it. ☺️ He did explain it clearly enough for me to follow where he was going, but I confess, I didn’t understand the 4 'Ts' theory, since some of the text he referred to has more than 4 'Ts' and I am too lazy to bother counting all of the characters. However, I am aware that there was a tremendous amount of sophisticated encryption used in those times. I’m not sure that I buy into the conflation of Greek mythology and Latin text, but as I say, I'm not that bright/intelligent and it isn’t anything that I have looked into. Perhaps you are correct and it is a common sense reaction.
@@timothyharris4708 - I also found the documentary film, Cracking the Shakespeare code fascinating too! 😉. I am particularly amazed that many academics cannot seem to accept that a grammar school educated person could be capable of penning his own works.
@@we4r119 Dear We, thank you for your response. I suppose that the reason I find these ideas about 'encryption' and 'codes' so utterly dubious, is that I find it incredible a) that someone writing for the popular stage would want to add to the difficulty of writing (very good) plays the difficulty of adding in encrypted information in odd places which certainly would not be understood by the audience, were not deciphered at the time and if noticed and deciphered at all would be by those who were already in the know, and would only be discovered 400 years later by such as Alexander Waugh. And b) plays were not much regarded as 'literature', which is why many plays of the era were lost - Ben Jonson was the first playwright to publish a 'first folio' of some of his plays in 1616, Shakespeare''s First Folio was published in 1623, long after his death. It is not so much academics who are unable to accept that an Elizabethan grammar-schoolboy could have written the works, as people who understand little of the history of the time, or who (rather like those who find codes in the Bible or who avidly follow the latest QAnon conspiracy-mongering) like to pretend that they have found all sorts of coded references in the plays and elsewhere (something that is easier to do if you are sufficiently gullible than is generally supposed), or are incorrigible snobs.
You're bright enough to know how to use proper punctuation and capitalization, which puts you ahead of about 75% of commenters. Don't sell yourself short.
Because they were poets and they just HAD to speak, but the Star Chamber would have persecuted them for doing do openly. I'm not being sarcastic here. That's actually what Alexander Waugh claims.
Caius Martius Coriolanus Yeah...i guess you just simply gotta love Alexander Waugh lol. But i think i would take him more seriously if he wasn't such a narcissist. And fitting the "evidence" to fit HIS hypnosis, instread of the other way around, and it wasn"t so self serving and convoluted, would have helped. But i guess you just gotta take what you get
It WAS found ultimately. The hiders would probably have been shocked that it took so long. They probably would have been shocked that anyone took the Stratford thing as seriously as they do.
From hence your memory death cannot take, Although in me each part will be forgotten. Your name from hence immortal life shall have, Though I, once gone, to all the world must die:
The chart is a cipher to decode the headstone I think that’s more of a normal impression that folks have when they’re not knowledgeable on cryptography, all due respect. I’d love to see u find anything like this in a randomly selected writing
@@Jeffhowardmeade I recall debating with u about this before and, again with all due respect, u did not come across as knowledgeable about cryptography
@@Jeffhowardmeade also I refer u to the documentary scene where Admundsen presents the Folio title page to the genius considered #2 mathematician alive, and he immediately recognized it as containing code. He was also a medieval printing press expert, and explained that all of the anomalies would only be greenlit by an insane person or one being very deliberate.
The works are immensely more important then authorship. Shakespeare's children dyed completely illiterate. The author of such incredible works of the English language and his children were unable to read and write? That speaks volumes.
Yes, it says you've bought into bullshit. There is no evidence at all that William Shakespeare's children were illiterate, and there is as much evidence as anyone could reasonably ask for that Susanna Hall, Shakespeare's eldest daughter, was profoundly literate: there are two extant signatures from her, there is an account of her correctly describing a book belonging to her husband as a "book of physic" even though it was in Latin, she likely wrote her mother's epitaph, and her own epitaph calls her "witty [i.e., learned] above her sex". However, even if his children were both provably illiterate, all it would mean was that Shakespeare was a man of his time and didn't rate female education that highly. John Milton trained his daughters to read to him in various languages, including Latin, Greek, and English, but he never taught them how to understand what they were reading. Does his neglect of his daughters' literacy mean that he couldn't have written _Paradise Lost_ ? Not that it's apparent what Shakespeare could have done all the way from London to help his daughters' literacy. Was he supposed to tutor them via Skype?
We love Waugh really hope he gets better, that is most important. Also with his ever increasing -such and such knew' he will eventually be able to show that nothing but nothing was published in the late 16th and early 17th Centuries except for the specific reason of showing devere was Shakespeare.
He'll have his work cut out for him in catching up to Robert Pretcher, who claims that just about everything PUBLISHED within spitting distance of 1604 was actually written by De Vere.
I'd like to watch all of this, but at 18 minutes in, it's starting to feel like I'm reading a QAnon forum where everything is a deep, complex conspiracy.
And also, apart from the director of the Anonymous and his questioning of Shakespeare, i would also say, most writers, especially back the then, were middle or upper class, they could read and write, and I’m rooting for the working class here, but why would a working class man give a damn about the royal family and all that la di da carry on?. Why would a working class man want to immortalise those people?, and not write about his own life?, and then he only left behind like what?, six very badly signed signatures?. Come on.
Shakespeare _was_ middle class. He was the son of a man who ran a successful business, had one of the largest houses in Stratford-upon-Avon, and had various important civic duties including bailiff, chief magistrate, alderman, and mayor. John Shakespeare may have suffered financial reverses later in William's life, but in William's earliest years he was quite a substantial man of business, property, and civic importance in the town. Shakespeare certainly wasn't the son of Robin the dung-gatherer. As for why he wrote about royalty, it's because he was a playwright in the early modern era. John Webster was the son of a coach-maker and his plays were about the nobility (e.g., my favorite non-Shakespearean play of the era, _The Duchess of Malfi_ ), Christopher Marlowe was a cobbler's son and wrote _Edward II_ , Robert Greene was a saddler's son who likely wrote _Edmund Ironside_ and certainly wrote _The Honourable History of Friar Bacon and Friar Bungay_ , where Henry III and Prince Edward are both characters (and Edward is the center of a major plotline), George Chapman was a yeoman's son who wrote frequently of the French court, and Thomas Middleton was a bricklayer's son who wrote extensively about the nobility in his tragedies (e.g. his most famous play, _The Revenger's Tragedy_ is set in the Italian court and features a lecherous Duke whose actions motivate the tragedy). He wouldn't have written about his own life because he was a playwright first and foremost and nobody would have wanted to see a play based on his life, and he lived _long_ before there was any significant tradition of autobiographical writing in English literature, an innovation that would only start with the Romantics (e.g. William Wordsworth's _The Prelude_ ). Shakespeare no more had to be a nobleman to write about the nobility than Philippa Gregory has to be the secret identity of the Duchess of Kent. And he left behind six perfectly adequately signed signatures. They only look strange to us moderns because they're in secretary hand (which was based on black letter script and was already dying out in Shakespeare's day), and not in Italic hand, which became the basis for modern cursive. I find Sütterlin mystifying to read, but it doesn't mean that the German-speaking children who learned to write that way couldn't write. Obviously, it means just the opposite. Nor do we have just six signatures because we also have three manuscript pages of _Sir Thomas More_ identified as "Hand D", which are a paleographic match to the six extant signatures you're so down on (and the less standard the signature, the greater the potential for identification since the signature has multiple unique characteristics-the "Hand D" script shows multiple characteristics that link it to Shakespeare's acknowledged signatures and no disqualifying differences), a stylometric match to the rest of the Shakespearean canon, and contain unique words (like the verbing of "shark") and a self-plagiarized line that occurs elsewhere in the canon ( _Coriolanus_ , specifically). Moreover, the manuscript is reworked with running emendations that _must_ be authorial because a scribe wouldn't have copied the crossed-out portions and then struck them out himself. We really couldn't have better evidence of Shakespeare as a writer if we had video of him pacing his London lodgings and saying, "'Now is the autumn of our mild annoyance'-no, it needs to be stronger-'Now is the winter of our discontent'-Will, you brilliant, brilliant man!"
What a total waste of time. Brunel has lowered its reputation as a serious university. Why does anyone give this Buffon Waugh any time. Misguided pseudo intellectual
I can understand the elevation of autistic parlour games into an hour of distraction aided by our obliging furlough of incredulity, but what exercises my unease is the suspicion that it is all motivated by classist snobbery. Evelyn Waugh and the Earl of Oxford feature like a usurping comedy junta.
“God the biography.”..what utter egotism.. you can’t second guess the mind of God or the Creator.. it’s irrelevant what Gods name is.. it’s a concept.. that life has meaning.. and we should be spiritual.. and believe that life itself has purpose.. To deny any possibility of the existence of a sentient force is the epitome of self righteousness.. and this mindset is used to justify untold misery and indeed tyranny.. after all if there’s no point in anything.. anything goes.. all hell can break loose , as there’s NO consequences for what men do.. or what Nations do.. let’s all go nuts and destroy everything.. coz fk all matters.. DO WHATEVER YOU’RE TOLD.. Don’t think about anything moral.. there’s no morality in a Godless world.. THEREFORE ONLY DO ..just what the controllers want you do and to think..!
Oh yawn bloody yawn. You people must spend weeks working out the grid that suits your purposes. A bright kid from Stratford turned out to be able to write poems and plays. Why is that surprising? I could count the talented aristocrats on the fingers of one foot.
It doesn't take nearly so long anymore. It can be done with a computer algorithm almost instantly. Imagine how much work would have gone into CREATING these codes, though, all by hand, with a quill and paper. And then, they had to be set by hand in order to be printed, without any errors, by typesetters who typically decided how to spell words and when and where to break lines. And yet EVERYBODY seemed to be doing it. Gawd, they must have been bored out of their minds.
My feeling is that when the Anti-Avonians are not resorting to quasi-religious organizations, they insist that no one without a university education can write. How about Bob Dylan? Richard Pryor? Woody Allen? Dolly Parton? My favorite Anti-Avonian is the guy who draws triangles on First Folio or else it may be the poetry. Well, what if a different type face were used? His triangles wouldn't work.
@@susanwozniak6354 I think you're referring to Alexander Waugh, who (even more hilariously) draws around the dedication in the sonnets, turns it upside-down, and says it obviously represents a funerary urn.
@@MrMartibobs I typed the above response before he got into those circles, lines and odd shapes. The other guy is not Waugh but another youtuber who relies on drawing triangles and on Masonic references. I know little about Masonry but although it may have roots in guilds for Medieval stonemasons, the first Grand Lodge was founded in the 18th C. All that line drawing is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is how Waugh throws in geometry and Jesus and surprising forms worthy of a child's decoder ring from a 1950's corn flake box, then has the gall to come back it his earlier statements with the phrase, "Now we know." The correct phrase should be, "Now I assume."
I don't particularly care who wrote the plays, they stand on their own merits, but this is overly contrived nonsense. He's starting with a conclusion and working backwards from there. With enough time and very selective picking and choosing, you could twist these documents into saying anything you want.
" *you could “prove” absolutely anything* " Exactly. He dares people to figure out what are the odds of such a complicated message appearing *here* by chance, and that is rightfully unlikely. But it's the wrong question to ask. The correct question is to ask "what are the odds of finding an equally complicated message *somewhere* ? " It's not the only place he ever looked at, is it? Say, I wanted to prove that Santa Claus was Shakespeare. Could I find enough "evidence" for it if I dug deep enough? If that was my passion, and I was bright enough, I'm liking my odds. I mean, seriously. I looked at the first line of my post and I counted 15 words (on my screen). That's two references to Jesus already! XV, Christ/Cross and Veritas/Vicit What are the words following a period, for example? He, But, The, It's, Say. Could, If. What do we get, let me think... If He Could Say It's The But! I got it! It's the butt, It's all ASS! ;-) I'll repost it in a separate thread.
@@vikidprinciples With that said, they practically convinced me by now (two days later)... Not by this esoteric geometry, but by matching the plays to the real events. Hamlet seems the most convincing. Even if Shakspare of Stratfort wrote Hamlet, it's unlikely he didn't base it on the story of De Vere. Then he retired to Stratford, where he occupied himself with money-lending and suing people for petty debts, and finally scratched his "mark" on his last will, then died... I mean, those oxfordian guys have better arguments. This talk's potential impact is awfully overstated, right at the beginning.
@@bakters Why is it 'unlikely' that the playwright who wrote Hamlet 'didn't base it on the story of de Vere'? Are you just pulling this out of your hat, or have any serious evidence to provide? The former, undoubtedly. And why do 'those oxfordian guys have better arguments'? On what grounds do you say this?
@@timothyharris4708 Read what I wrote again. I said that even if the guy who could barely scratch his name actually wrote Hamlet, then it's unlikely he did not base it on De Vere's life. Re: better arguments' (sic!) I meant they have better arguments than "esoteric geometry". Now I'm more or less convinced that De Vere was Shakespeare and I still doubt this thing. While this talker here was sure he'll convince everybody who'd listen to him... Well, he failed at that. Somebody else had to step in.
I was hoping for something interesting and insightful about the works of WS. Instead, numerology and cabalistic mumbo jumbo. Evelyn was a genius; how many can his reputation drag along whose only merit is to carry that illustrious surname?
Agree. Bit like flying saucers, spoon-bending and other assorted nonsense. This keeps coming up like in my college days. Then it was Marlowe. University wits and so on. Actually, who cares? So Shakespear didn't write Shakespear. OK. Doesn't add or detract one iota from the greatness of the works.
I watched the whole thing and what complete utter nonsense. Why on earth would people back then go through such a massive effort to disguise the “real author” when they had no way of knowing that Shakespeare would be regarded as a literally genius in the future. It wasn’t until the early 1800s that his plays saw a resurgence in the public eye. His plays weren’t meant to be READ, they were meant to be seen. All these cyphers and clues remind me of Flat Earth logic and Nostradamus BS. You need to swap letters and create anagrams and ignore mirror images for everything to fit the agenda. If you replaced any letters with the number 6, this man would find a convenient way to show how 6 was important in the identity of Edward De Vere. And the clue pointing to the funerary monument in Westminster? It points to SHAKESPEARE’S monument. Yet this man insists it’s not Shakespeare, it’s De Vere. Wake up! De Vere was a nobleman who died in obscurity. If he wanted to take credit for the plays, he could have done so because playwrights weren’t criminals. There was no stigma. Also, De Vere was already a published poet, so explain to me how it was acceptable to publish poems yet disguise stage plays?There are lots of clues to McCartney’s death on the Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road albums. Clues that you need to twist to make fit. That doesn’t mean Paul McCartney was replaced by a body double in 1966. There are only 36 letters of the alphabet, so of course you are going to find occasional patterns that make you feel there is something significant going on. Open up any novel and count how many times ISH and TT appears in proximity to each other. The only thing that matters is hard science. You want De Vere as the true author? Collect the DNA from Westminster to prove how it’s really De Vere. But I think you know very well that grave in Westminster is empty because it’s a monument to a man who is buried in Stratford. Or better yet, use analytical AI software to compare the language in De Veer’s published poems with any one of Shakespeare’s plays. I’m guessing you don’t want to do that because you might not like what it reveals.
I still keep thinking about the Northumberland Manuscript. Have never been able to buy the theory that it is just scribbling by some scribe. Also, when you said in the video that Bacon took over after Edward de Vere died, what did you mean, what did Bacon take over - sorry, did not understand that part. What about a joint Edward de Vere/Bacon partnership for Shakespeare, is this a possibility (and is this what you meant), don't the dates work better? Very interesting presentation! But, please, what is your opinion of the Northumberland Manuscript - it has always seemed to me that even if it was a scribe scribbling, the scribe had to put Bacon and Shakespeare's names together for a reason.
The "Northumberland Manuscript" ended up as the temporary book binding, which tells me that it was originally in someone's book bindery. The script used was in a very practiced hand. Where does a bookbinder who needs to write pretty practice? On the sort of scrap paper that tends to end up as an ad hoc paper binding, of course.
stopped watching at @40.47 when this supposedly intellectual started calling an ellipse a "perfect circle" up until then nothing he even said was about Shakespeare being a fake.
Rather lax research. If you look at the poetry of the Earl of Oxford under his own name you`ll notice, if you have any literary judgement at all, you`ll notice that he has no real poetic talent whatsoever.
Yawn. There's the small issue that Shakespeare's plays mention events after De Vere was dead. Computer textual analysis excludes De Vere as a candidate. It also shows that many of the plays were collaborations with other working playwrights - why would an aristocrat do that? The plays contain Stratfordian dialect and use a lot of terms from glove-making. Shakespeare is one of the best documented commoners of the age. These people are basically snobs - they can't accept that the greatest writer in the language was a tradesman's son. So they come up with speculative drivel like this.
That is it. You're exactly right. But ultimately more glory to Shakespeare. The idea an aristocrat wrote Shakespeare's wonderful comic commoners for the stage is ridiculous. They would have been insulted if you suggested it then. He was who he was always attributed as. An Earl wrote the likes of Bardolph, Pistol, Quickly and Doll? Fuck off. It's blatantly obvious he wasn't a noble.
The fact (from a certain point of view) was one of the legitimate censures of Will Shakespeare. His 'native wood notes wild' in miltons phrase, associated with his commoner origins. I mean it's stunningly clear from the works he was relatively unconnected and rolling dice. It was only later people began to assimilate his style with genius or sublimity.
That a commoner could not have such an in-depth knowledge regarding courtly life is perhaps a valid argument, but by same token, how could a noble man have the in-depth knowledge of the emerging trader classes, artisans and the country folk? In fact the former could be looked up in most of the extant literature beginning from Homer. Most of it was there, cannonized in literature and (stll extant) history, whereas. the latter, especially that related to Stratford or greater England was just emerging. Beecher Stowe or Charles Dickens would appear centuries later. Homer or the bards who wrote the great epics certainly must have listened to the tales of the sea farers. It probably sets a categorical imperative to not being of noble birth, because the latter generally condones too much familiarity in relationships with the lower classes and generally implies only a canonnized, highly biased, historical text-book-aquired knowledge about the latter. I can not imagine a barons son ever showing any interest in the private lives of their serfs or servants, or paying visits to their country cottages, let alone learning their dialect or goings about their family lives. Just as today the boulevard papers make fortunes by gossip-printing about celebrities with higher incomes and life styles, I assume the doings at court were widely circulated, through mouth and print. And a poet and a genius would have no problem, weaving a tale about it, just as Homer or the bards, wove remarkable ones about palaces, courtly intrigues and far away lands and sea shores, places they probably had never seen.
@@mushtaqbhat1895 There's also some evidence that as a young man Shakespeare spent time as a tutor and actor with the aristocratic Hoghton family in Lancashire. If true, the family had extensive experience of court life. Plus he was, of course, literate - and there were plenty of sources he could have used. Later in life he had close court connections. So there's really no mystery to explain. On the other hand the De Vere theory has insuperable issues - I thought it had died a death until I saw this lecture. The computer textual analysis is decisive - De Vere had a totally different writing style to the man who wrote the plays and poems - it's not even close. This is a kind of textual fingerprint you can't consciously change - and on all the standard tests De Vere didn't write the plays. The same with all the other main candidates, by the way. And there's the small issue that Shakespeare was active and writing years after De Vere's death... As I said above - this is just snobbery. These people can't accept that the son of a glover was our greatest poet - so they had to award the mantle of greatness to some random aristo instead... shakespeareauthorship.com/elval.html
@@Torvig Ooooh yes 6 2 4 I believe it's the wheel configuration of the first steam engine to run through Lower Missenden. And the sleepers were laid 16 inches apart, and 16 is the number you get when you add up the numeric values of 'Oxford' and then subtract the waist size of Oxford's Gaskins. How can these fools fail to see the significance of all this? Well spotted. Remember the song by Chicago? 25 or 6-2-4! They knew!
Edward de Vere was tutored by Dr. John Dee in the esoteric arts: numerology, mathematics, cryptography, astrology, etc. Dr. John Dee started MI5 and signed his documents as 007. You really can't make this shit up lol!
Brilliant men with too much time on their hands. But cryptography and secret ciphers are a strange way to show reverence for Jesus Christi who was so straightforward and open.
What is easy when compared to why. Why anyone would go to these lengths to hide the name of a playwright. The Why would need to be as crucial as the code is cryptic otherwise you are still left asking why?
The why becomes easier when you look at it from the other direction. Waugh knows he has no documentary evidence for de Vere's authorship, so he has to go on extended hallucinations about codes to generate something, anything, to serve in place of the evidence he doesn't have.
@@Nullifidian Agreed, though the "why" I was referring to was why people at the time would've created such a complex code to hide the name of the playwright unless being discovered meant something quite catastrophic to justify the complexity of the code created
It's been shown time and time again, that if you're motivated to find something in a source, you can always find it. People did this with works like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, and even Sesame Street in response to people doing exactly the same nonsense with the Bible Code. Give it up.
A tremendous number of motivated people have looked for Stratford-related ciphers in the same material but have come up with nothing. Were they simply not motivated enough? What was discovered hiding in Harry Potter...just wondering...
@@bouncycastle955 Google comes up with nothing except Baconian ciphers. So what is you being wrong about "the fact" very telling of? And no we are not friends, but maybe we can be intellectual equals if you can come up with a better response that is based on truth.
@@stevenhershkowitz2265 my grandma can't figure out facebook but even she doesn't have trouble performing a google search. We aren't going to be intellectual equals until you get that one down, chum.
Someone has too much time on his hands. Like a Covid test you're going to find what you're looking for if you look hard enough. De Vere either wanted posterity to know he was Shakespeare or he didn't. If he did, it would have been a lot simpler. He would have left some writing that said "I wrote Shakespeare's plays."
@Jessica Murray Yes, 400 years after his death, he has been raised from his crypt by charlatans like Waugh to announce that he really wrote Shakespeare's plays. Would that he had remained encrypted. Then we wouldn't have to put up with dishonesties and special pleading that appears in this video.
@Jessica Murray No, he didn't. Other people have claimed to find "encrypted messages" in the works they want to attribute to de Vere, and they judge the success of their "decryption" by how much it tells them what they want to see. This is a recipe for self-delusion. Before the Oxfordians, the Baconians were mad for encryption and many of them still are. Others have thrown their hats into the encryption ring in support of other candidates. Any methodology that can yield so many mutually contradictory answers cannot possibly be valid.
@@AntonDee What kind of fun? Do you find Waugh's charlatanism 'fun'? You do realise, don't you, that because of cynical, money-grubbing, conspiracy-mongers like Waugh, a great many, mostly rather ignorant people now believe that there is a serious case against Shakespeare's authorship when there is none? I suppose you believe that denying that the Holocaust took place, or denying climate-warming, or denying that Biden won the last election is just 'fun'. I am not, by the way, pretending that the denial of Shakespeare's authorship is in any moral way comparable to those examples, but the manner in which, via, in particular, the internet, people are led to believe in conspiracy theories is common to all these examples. Surely one can have 'fun' without supporting charlatans and misleading people?
@Recuts If there is a fine line between genius and insanity, Waugh has gone galloping over it at top speed on the back of a unicorn on his way to the Mad Hatter's tea party.
@Recuts I do understand what's going on here. Waugh decides that there _must_ be a secret message in advance because all the documentary evidence and the contemporary testimony supports Shakespeare's authorship on its face. Therefore he's forced to posit that there _must_ be something under the surface. Then he supplies the entire context in the process of 'deciphering' the code, never bothers to demonstrate that the said code was actually _current_ in early modern England, and judges the success of his results by how much they tell him what he wants to believe. In short, what Waugh is doing is reading his prior beliefs into the text. It's a textbook case of confirmation bias. And the very complexity of Waugh's delusions is what kills his claims stone dead. In the early modern era, all typesetting was done by hand... by the compositors... who chose the layout and spelling of the text themselves. There is simply no way of achieving what Waugh wants to believe was achieved until substantially into the 20th century. It would be hard enough to get a simple substitution cipher through the early modern press given the possibility-indeed the probability-that a seemingly random string of letters would be placed in the wrong order. Edward de Vere would have had to be standing in the print shop himself to direct the compositors in their task in order to have a prayer of any sort of code or cipher being transmitted successfully, but Waugh finds 'codes' in works that were first printed long after de Vere's death like the sonnets (1609) and the First Folio (1623).
"poor fellow, for he is mad; quite mad." and, as an interesting little project, please tell me who authored the lines quoted and provide the evidence for your assumption.
First argument: there are a lot of graves that don't have anything buried in them, especially from times of disease outbreak when bodies were generally cremated so they couldn't spread the disease. That said, the fact there's a hollow _at all_ says someone or something was buried there, and a disarticulated human skeleton would fit into that space. Second argument: it wasn't bad syntax in the seventeenth century when English spelling hadn't been standardized. Written language changes slower than speech, but it does change. Third argument: a headstone that reads "in this grave" doesn't mean inside the stone, it means under the ground next to it. I've already refuted the premise this entire argument is based on.
I don't know who really wrote Shakespeare but it seems to me that the anti-Stratfordians can't settle on a single candidate. There are impassioned arguments for the Earl Of Oxford, Francis Bacon and Henry Nevill (and probably other candidates I'm not aware of). It's the literary equivalent of 'who really was Jack The Ripper'. I don't think we'll ever know for sure...
I dont know either, but there is a trend in thinking it was all of the above mentioned. You will noitice that VVilliam spells his name in several ways, and signed his name in more and different spellings, hmmmmmmm.
The main problem is all the direct evidence of who is credited with writing the plays points to the man from Stratford. If you find that evidence uncompelling and start looking for an alternate candidate you're necessarily dealing with indirect evidence. Coincidences and innuendos. And such lines of evidence leave little to differentiate between candidates. Some parts of the plays will match Bacons life, others will match Oxfords life etc. One secret code will say "DeVere" the other "Marlowe". Really, you can make at least some case for any noble of the time.
The upper echelons of english society cannot stand the idea that a man nit if their class could write the plays. Those of his own time, pre Public School days, had no such difficulty.
If there ever was a more fallacious argument against this evidence, please let me know. Did you even watch the presentation? This was message coded by the peers of the author, and the odds of such a message being there by chance are 1 out of billions.
@@nippernappertton There is no message. Waugh's febrile hallucinations would require greater accuracy than was possible in early modern printing. Waugh supplies half the context for his supposed 'decryptions', makes up whatever he needs to get the results he wants, and then decides that he's successfully 'decoded' it by how much it tells him what he wants to see.
@@annarboriter So what if I do spend my time posting on this subject? It's a combination of having a general interest in early modern theatre, a specific interest in Shakespeare, and a general interest in pseudoscience/pseudohistory/etc. The last also includes an interest in creationism and its new "intelligent design" variant, relativity-denialism (in the scientific rather than the philosophical sense), geocentrism, the flat earth, the so-called "Church of Scientology", the 9/11 Truth movement, JFK assassination conspiracy theories, and Anatoly Fomenko's ludicrous idea that the events of the classical European civilizations happened 1,000 years later and that the intervening time is simply an elaborate fiction (e.g. Alexander the Great would have conquered in the 7th century CE, Julius Caesar would have been assassinated in the mid-10th century, etc.). I don't make a specific point of critiquing _only_ the claims of anti-Shakespearians. Are you still trying to imply that I'm a paid shill because nobody could possibly think that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare without being paid to think it? If that's the case, then the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust must be going bankrupt because Shakespeare's authorship is a consensus among everyone but an increasingly vanishingly small handful of cranks. The anti-Shakespearians are graying and dying and not being replaced at a commensurate rate. Furthermore, I don't "defame scholars outside my field". I leave that up to the anti-Shakespearians, who have more practice in it. Virtually none of them are trained scholars in relevant fields, but they're perfectly content to assert that the real scholars are either deluded or even consciously engaged in a conspiracy to suppress 'the truth'. The guy you cited elsewhere, Joseph Sobran, was a journalist who was so ignorant that he didn't know that Henslowe's Christian name (he of the famous diary) was Philip. None of the Ogburns were early modern scholars. Nor was J. Thomas Looney, who was just a schoolteacher who hadn't heard of Edward de Vere until he picked his name out of a classroom set of _Palgrave's Golden Treasury_ . Since this is a video featuring Alexander Waugh, it's worth pointing out that he has a history of defamation in its proper, literal, legal sense. On one occasion, he falsely claimed that one of his critics was in trouble with the police, which he was then obliged to delete because British libel law is dangerous territory. His primary response to criticism is to delete it if it's in the comments to his own videos and, failing that, to childishly insult the critic. The entire edifice of anti-Shakespearianism consists of a bunch of rank amateurs slinging feces at the people who have relevant expertise in the subject, almost all of whom accept that Shakespeare wrote the works attributed to him (even if some think that some of the plays were co-authored by other people as well). This is the _third_ chance you've had to present some evidence for Oxford (by far the least promising candidate with the possible exceptions of Daniel Defoe and Anne Whateley), or even the fourth since you could have forestalled me asking. It's starting to appear as if you're aware that nothing you have to present will stand up to scrutiny. But if you know that's the case, why continue with the charade of pretending that Edward de Vere wrote Shakespeare's works?
Given that Edward de Vere died before a number of the plays were written (which we know because they reference events that happened after his demise) and we know where de Vere is buried (Hackney),all of this is utter nonsense.
@@coolnamebro So you're saying that they baptized and buried a figment of the imagination and then erected a monument to that figment that praised him as a poet by likening him to Virgil, saying that "all that he hath writ | Leaves but living art page to serve his wit", and depicted him holding a pen and with a sheet of paper in the regulation subfusc of a scholar? That a figment of the imagination trod the boards as an actor as testified by multiple early modern sources, including two cast lists in the 1616 folio publication of Ben Jonson's _Works_ ? That this figment was praised for his writing by multiple contemporaries, including some who knew him personally or at least knew detailed information about him?
@@annascott3542 And if you can demonstrate that Waugh's dribble parallels the early modern understanding of numerology, then you'll be doing more than Waugh himself has ever been able to do. Waugh simply makes up these associations himself, massaging the data and inventing the context freely, and then 'validating' the results because they tell him what he wants to hear. It's a textbook case of confirmation bias. If one were feeling unkind, one might ask him how these elaborate codes were supposed to be preserved when compositors chose the layout and the spelling of words themselves.
Alan Turing was obsessed with cryptography, numerical puzzles, ciphers etc. His knowledge of those “silly” things helped him break the German Enigma Code during WWar 2 and saved millions of lives by ending the war 2 years early, according to Historians . Alan Turing was instrumental in developing computers 💻 which enables you to watch this. Silly 😜 indeed
@@robertn800 A "numerical puzzle" is _not_ the same thing as numerology. Numerology is attaching supposedly "arcane" significance to the appearance of certain numbers. An example relevant to this video is the number of Oxfordians who go out of their way to find instances of the number 17 in Shakespeare texts because Oxford was the 17th earl. But the problem is that Oxford never knew he was the 17th earl, and the error in the genealogy wasn't corrected until after his death and wasn't generally accepted until the late 1600s. Numerology is sometimes allied with gematria, the process of assigning a numerical value to words and names, most often with a religious significance like the Tetragrammaton. Numerology was of no help whatsoever in the war, and Alan Turing never believed in it. But even if he did, eminence in science or maths is no guarantee against being a crank in other areas.
It seems that the real Shakespeare changes from time to time and from person to person. What is dubious about the entire project is what is the actual purpose? I believe most people would still enjoy the plays supposedly written by "the Shakespeare". The speaker talking about syntax errors is ridiculous.
1:13:22 whoever did this is extremely clever...🙄👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎 I beg to differ... its just throwing masonic symbols... and with every addition the author probably went: "hey hang on, I could be even more pedantic if I described that symbol with a crude metaphor of another cr@p symbol...and went about pulling all the supersticious steaming pile of woojoo cr@p that a w@nker like him could brain-fart into a piece of paper. 😫🤮
Thanks as ever. I hadn't seen this one. You've answered Glenn's "I am that I am" unique quote, and gone further to help me imagine your thought process. From what you say it was spotting the D in the chapel that was the "let's procreate" moment. I scanned the comments. Guys, mainly, if you have a modest IQ of say 120+ and are incapable of looking at this without prejudice, certainly if you have any experience of statistical mechanics, please get yourself retested. This isn't a matter for debate. You can argue about whether it's still a lie, but what has been done is utterly incontrovertible. Alexander should be getting a wee bit more respect than cheap abuse, but he went to university in my home town, I think he can handle it. This is one of the most elaborate creations of its kind in existence. If you have anything to match it we'd all be delighted to look at it. The creator, believed to be Dee, deserves homage from anyone who has ever tackled a cryptic crossword puzzle.
@@T0varisch Having watched a bit of your first video, which is so amateurish and, forgive me, unutterably stupid (not to mention the appalling sound and your inability to speak coherently or clearly), I am not surprised to lear that you admire that charlatan, Alexander Waugh. You speak of a 'modest IQ' of 120. Could I ask what your IQ is? And perhaps you could explain what Waugh's going to a university in your home town has to do with anything?
How is it that the date 1609 is on the sonnets, but gives a map of where to find de Vere in Westminster if he wasn't moved there until 1619? It would seem if the map theory is correct, then he was moved there before 1609.
Now I come to think of it, he mentions Shakespeare in "Desolation Row". Just a coincidence? We all know what "desolation" means. Barreness, emptiness, something with no value or content. Is he saying that Shakspurr's claim to the "rows", or lines of text is a barren and empty one? Something to think about.
Ironic, as "Bob Dylan" was not Bob Dylan. But while It's easy to prove that Bob Dylan was really Robert Zimmerman but it is still impossible to prove that William Shake-speare of London was Will Shasper of Stratford.
@@keepitsimple4629 You'll never learn squat anyway. You'll just get a bunch of increasingly bizarre speculations. As the number of people who identified Shakespeare as the author of his works becomes more apparent, the size of the conspiracy which must have existed to suppress the "truth" grows. Eventually you have a bastard son of a "virgin" queen knocking up his own mother and an immortal being founding the Freemasons, the Rosecrucians, or both, and either or both of them taking time out to write plays. And then hiding the evidence in codes or on Oak Island. A faerie splashing love juice into the wrong eyes seems almost sane by comparison.
I happen to think there were multiple authors, so Edward De Vere is one of them. The order of the Rosicrucians, a proto-free mason movement in the time of Bacon probably published the first complete works of Shakespeare. That book also contains lots of encryptions. See also Cracking the Shakespeare code: ruclips.net/video/OpFXD07_NYg/видео.html
Well, come on, tell us who these multiple authors were. I wonder if you have bothered to read Shakespeare's complete works, or any of them at all. Perhaps you could provide a list of those you have read. And could you provide evidence for your assertion that the order of Rosicrucians (probably) published the first complete works of Shakespeare, and explain why they would want to do so?
@@Meine.Postma Yes, I have. I have taught Shakespeare at university, and I have directed, and I have acted in many Shakespeare plays. I notice that you cravenly refrain from answering the questions I posed to you, preferring an easy and foolish quip.
I'm retracting this comment. (But I leave it posted to leave the thread intact). After having researched more of the subject I have to admit I was wrong. The weight of evidence of Early Modern encryption as a widespread and continuing practice cannot be denied. My written conclusion was quite simply incorrect. 15:35 "Not the case! It's nothing to do with what I believe this [sic], this is what the people who made this code believe." SOLID confirmation bias!!! YOU are telling US what THEY believed, without providing much confirmation from EXTERNAL sources. YOU are finding what YOU think THEY believed in YOUR interpretation. CIRCULAR LOGIC DOESN'T FLY.
It's heartening to read the comments from people like you who see through this drivel. You've put your finger on the nub of the problem. Waugh doesn't demonstrate that his 'codes' actually existed in the imagination of any early modern person. He supplies all the context for his 'decryption' himself and he gets the result that it's Edward de Vere not because it's apparent in the documents, but because that's the conclusion he started with. Nor does he tackle the technical problem that these elaborate 'codes' couldn't have survived for 30 seconds in the early modern print shop where the compositors decided on the spelling of words and set the layout themselves. It's just apophenia from beginning to end.
I encountered this issue years ago- too many years! Those wonderful ( to me, they were) days at university. My Dramatic Arts, prof was trying, in vain, mostly, to peak the interest of most of the class- not me- back then I think the real author was Christopher Marlowe? Somebody who knows please correct me, fill me in- a contemporary, a rival, is possibly the author, not Will....Regardless of their authorship I confess to being "in love" a lifelong love of all "things" Shakespeare. Quite frankly this discussion is way over my head- I don't even understand the "questionable" theory used to prove his thesis- his contention...SOMEBODY SMARTER, GOOD IN MATH, LOGIC, EMAIL ME, BUT BE NICE! And explain his explanation! And frankly I don't care- maybe it's my age, other issues, encroaching old age, poor health, money woe is me, woes, etc. I just finished ( a definite re-read, Ian McEwan's delightfully, warped, eccentric, novel Nutshell.) Highly recommended...you don't need to be a fan of The Bard. I just glanced up- what the fuh does the Chi Ro sp Art History graduate here but sadly illness has robbed me of "mind" memory- I can't be optimistic anymore. A copy of The Book of Kells sits dust covered, on the other side of the wall, holding me up- I was and am fascinated by the marginalia, the work the monks put into Hiberno Saxon Gospel Books AND YES, I AM AWARE THE BOOK OF KELLS IS NOT HIBERNO SAXON, they pre-date it- and aren't as decorative, whole other dead end- going by this prof's "logical" - I am still lost as to how he is proving who wrote: "what's in a name?" ... Several minutes later, are we asking, did a person, named William Shakespeare exist OR did said person, write what is attributed to him? Are we asking, "did some bloke, use a pen name ?"
Pick anyone you like and they've probably been proposed as an authorship candidate. It doesn't even have to be a contemporary either because the person may be fictional (Anne Whateley, Sheik Zubayr/Sheik Pir) or lived substantially later than the publication of the plays (Daniel Defoe) or well before them (Sir Thomas More, King Edward VI, etc.). You could throw a dart at any list of early modern notables and probably hit an authorship candidate. Frankly, there is nothing to Waugh's presentation. The reason you can't understand it is because it makes no logical sense. There is nothing in his fanciful presentation that logically leads to Edward de Vere's authorship, but rather Waugh reaches the conclusion he started his 'investigation' with. (By the way, Waugh is not a professor of anything. He's just a writer with no more expertise in early modern theatre, printing, and history than any other layman, and _much_ less than some laymen I know.) Waugh invents 'codes' and 'ciphers' based on printed material that couldn't have possibly survived for thirty seconds in an early modern print shop where compositors set the text themselves and were thus responsible for both the layout and the spelling. He doesn't try to show that his 'codes' were current in early modern era, and he supplies all the context for 'deciphering' them. As a demonstration of authorship, it's no more convincing than a man who tells you that he's getting sent messages from extraterrestrials via coded messages apparent only to him in the patterns of the ties worn by a television newsreader. Waugh's only strong suit is his aptitude for putting on an air of undeserved authority and BSing with gleeful abandon and the source of his 'evidence' is a tendency to hallucination that once caused him to see monkey heads instead of the capitals on the columns of Shakespeare's funerary monument. To put it bluntly, Waugh is a nutter.
"hidden geometries and decoding grid patterns" ah yes because the people behind this really wanted to let people know in very vague and uncertain terms about it later, of course.
He didn't figure it out; he made it up. It's easy to "decode" anything you like if you're the one introducing all the context by which you "decode" the "message" and you don't have to go through the rigmarole of establishing that these "codes" would have actually been interpreted as such by the early modern figures allegedly responsible for creating (nor how such elaborate codes could have survived for 30 seconds in an early modern print shop where the compositors chose the spelling and formatting of the text themselves).
A fascinating, brilliant and compelling talk (as always) by Alexander Waugh. One question I have never seen posed or answered, however, is the following: we now know that the Shakespeare grave in the Stratford church is empty (that has been technologically and logistically proven). So: where is old Will Shakspere of Stratford (the putative author of the Shakespeare canon) buried, then? And why does no one ever ask this rather obvious question?! If the alleged 'Shakespeare' (Will Shakspere) is NOT buried in that 'Shakespeare grave' in Stratford, then where IS he buried? (Alexander Waugh makes a persuasive case for Edward de Vere's being buried in Westminster Abbey - but what about that old businessman and theatre owner, William Shakspere?).
We don't know that Shakespeare's grave is empty. We know that his gravestone has been cut down from its original size and shored up. Groud-Penetrating Radar is not able to differentiate between a 400 year-old skeleton and the soil it's buried in.
In 2016 Ground Penetrating Radar scans were performed, and showed that there is definitely something like a body in the grave - but it has been disturbed in the past and may be missing a head. Folklore has long claimed that in 1794, a doctor robbed Shakespeare’s grave and made off with his head! Shakespeare’s skull had been rumoured to rest in a crypt in a nearby village called Beoley. But when researchers examined that skull they found it belonged to an unknown old woman! Where exactly Shakespeare’s skull might be remains a mystery - if it is Shakespeare's skull and body at all, as it is unknown who wrote his epitaph in the Church of the Holy Trinity in Stratford-upon-Avon, which claims the grave has a curse upon it. The epitaph reads, “Good friend, for Jesus’ sake forebeare/ To digg the dust enclosed heare/ Bleste be the man that spares thes stones, / And curst be he that moves my bones.” Sounds more like a silly Pirates curse than quality 'Shakespeare' !! Two more curious facts have bothered researches for hundreds of years: 1/ No name: Of the family members buried side by side, the supposed William Shakespeare’s ledger stone is the only one that never carried a name. 2/ Short grave: The stone itself is too short for a grave. At less than a meter in length, Shakespeare's ledger stone is shorter than the others, including that of his wife, Anne Hathaway. Was he buried standing up? Shakespeare’s mysteriously short ledger stone also corresponds to a repair that has been made underneath the stone floor to support it. Experts suggest that this is due to disturbance at the head end of the grave which has caused significantly more subsidence than elsewhere. Maybe those who cut the ledger stone down from its original size and shored up the form, also wrote the inscription in an attempt to 'suggest' the Stratford man was the London Playwright ... in the same way someone refashioned the Shakespeare monument from holding a sack of grain to writing on parchment, at some point in the past - maybe at the same time... We can see that modern Stratford-upon-Avon has been very commercially successful with the Shakespeare link - as loose as it is!!
Shorely from the time this is generated from you would have to be in the set or a patron that was established in some order to be accepted and be able to pay encruing bills. The amount of time it would take to produce such a pamphlete would require a bill payer to do so. A network would also be needed to focus and establish its aims. Basic running of towns and cities of the time would need networks where there was a collective view rather than an individualist for things to work. Order rather than chaotic. Ok thats the two title pages does the sonnets contain other hidden messages. Rabbis noted some hidden messages in the Old Testaments of the Bible. Which span centuries and are believed instagated by there complexity and time as notification and endorcement by God. Whilst i can enjoy this feature i find freemasonary a taxing subject especialy via my personel encounters with active freemasons and there controling endevours for there own collective ends which have been highly questionable..
Fascinating but the sonnets were published in 1609. De Vere was buried in Hackney in 1604. In November 1612 his widow stated in her will that she wanted to be buried beside him in Hackney. She died in December 1612. There is a monument to a Vere relative in Westminster abbey in 1609 and there is a much later De Vere family tomb but Westminster has no record of reinterrment for Oxford. Or even Oxenford which is the name he used in his signature but that name wouldn't add up to 17. Oh pother!
I began to watch and quickly gave up. Dude was being much too cheeky and too eager in the intro. The precision he demonstrates is the sales pitch thus giving himself away that this is a hustle and a fraud. Only way you could prove this would be with a time machine anyhow
Fascinating and engagingly, unpretentiously presented - as much as anything, it is a celebration of the thrills of doing your own research and making your own discoveries. I imagine anyone with a closed mind on the authorship question will find this easy to dismiss as it requires concentration and a willingness to follow the threads of Waugh's argument; much easier to dismiss with a sneer. However, I am left wanting to know more much more about John Dee and his powers of encryption and to look for clues of my own.
Ah, a 'closed mind' on the authorship question - someone has quickly learned to use the stale strategy, used regularly by 'Marlovians', 'Baconians' & 'Oxfordians', to insinuate without addressing any arguments or evidence that anyone who disagrees them has presented. '(C)oncentration and a willingness to follow the threads of Waugh's arguments' - Waugh's arguments are threadbare, as you would find if you bothered to concentrate on them and knew anything about the matter at all. Ignorance and folly provide a strange kind of bliss.
@@timothyharris4708 Everything you say of me in this unpleasant and patronising comment is true of yourself. I note that in over a decade of YT membership you have uploaded no content, suggesting you are here merely to 'troll' others.
@@DavidBensonActor Alas, it is not true of myself, however much you would like it to be. I am not a 'member' of RUclips, so this YT membership you speak of refers to you, I suppose. Perhaps you 'upload' content of a kind - I am afraid that, having seen the content & nature of the only two comments of yours I have come across, I have no desire to waste my time on what you upload, which is doubtless as silly and ignorant as your comments. As for being 'unpleasant and patronising', I suggest you look at your first dishonest and hackneyed comment ('hackneyed' since it is the kind of thing trotted out by Waugh himself and every ignorant follower of his as a substitute for argument), where you assert that anybody who disagrees with Waugh lacks the 'concentration' and 'willingness' to 'follow the threads of Waugh's arguments', preferring to dismiss them with a 'sneer'. This is of course wholly untrue. Waugh's claims have been shown to be false, for there is a large amount of evidence that disproves them. I suggest that instead of whoring after the latest conspiracies and charlatans like Waugh, you acquaint yourself with the arguments of people who actually know something about the matter. It will not require much effort on your part, though perhaps rather more effort than is required for falling for the blandishments of a man like Waugh.
His analysis of the wall plaque requires a little bit too much 'switching around' of the order of the words (the "with in" choice is one thing, but the OTHER spot to break the text in, he offers NO explanation for). He completely missed the "Socratem" mistake, and the out of place German words also.
Waugh takes over-analysis to a whole new level.
Even if there were nothing to the claim of hermeticsm, the analysis would still be brilliant. You got to give him that. But what are the odds?
@@YourGreatPotential The odds are 100% You can derive anything you like if you're prepared to make up the context by which you 'decode' your message, which is what Waugh does.
oh come on, open your mind a little. @@Nullifidian
@@mithras666 Open my mind to what? "Open my mind", in this context, seems to mean "ignore the invalid means by which Waugh achieves his results". But why should I "open my mind" to an invalid method? It's not going to improve its accuracy or trustworthiness. All I could possibly gain from this is self-delusion, and I can't see any reason why I should want to be delusional.
And the entire royal court, the queen and her consorts, everyone in Stratford, the whole Globe theatre, everyone in London, they was all in on it, and never said a word.
Yea thats how a dictatorship works. What the king/queen says is what goes
My guy probably thought the Da Vinci Code was a documentary.
Bailey's Theorem? There is such a theorem but it has nothing to do with triangles and circles. Thee is a theorem that states any triangle inscribed in a circle with the diameter as its hypotenuse will be a right triangle. However, the closed curved line passing through the six points identified as corners of four triangles appears to be an eclipse, not a circle. (measured on my computer screen, if the minor axis of this elipse is 1 then the major axis is about 1.3.) That suggests that at least one of the triangles is not a right triangle.
Though not a mathematician myself (but a Shakespeare-lover), I had the same thought: it was manifestly an ellipse, not a circle!
@@olafshomkirtimukh9935 Find a reliable source image of the Sonnets and place a perfect circle over the points. It works perfectly and is not an elipse. In this youtube video the image is compressed. I would not trust any test without doing it for oneself using an original edition of the Sonnets.
The theorem about a triangle inscribed in a circle, with a diameter as its hypotenuse, is called Thales theorem. Anyway, several of the marked "right angles" were visibly not white 90 degrees - maybe none of them were exactly 90 degrees.
Waugh was a pseud of the first order!
@@ashcross I was suddenly reminded of this passage from James Joyce's Ulysses:
"It’s quite simple. He proves by algebra that Hamlet’s grandson is Shakespeare’s grandfather and that he himself is the ghost of his own father.” (Telemachus episode)
Has anybody asked the question of why the author of Shakespeare's works wanted to hide his/her identity? Is something else encrypted into the works of Shakespeare that would bring harm to the author of the works should it be decrypted? If you wrote an epic literary work today, would you want your identity to be unknown?
The Shakespearian works had many authors working together to form a comprehensive new language..There were over 2000 “new” words that would have been completely unknown to the audience of the day. Every country of influence from the 15th century to the present has been subjected to a constant change of their native language to destroy our true history. Not unlike the Christian bible.
That’s what I wonder. What’s the point? Ok maybe a writing project like many in the past. Many topical works have been attributed to some figure of renown associated with a school or movement. But why all the coding and mystery? What’s the point? Is it to promote Christian mysticism? I suppose people like these games and that’s enough to motivate clever elite people to do such things.
@@siberiangirl1941 Well, you're good at writing total rubbish. What is 'our true history'?
@@MichaelMarko The point is to excite people such as many, if not most, of the stupid and ignorant commenters here.
@@timothyharris4708 where would you like me to begin?
Across the hall in a different auditorium there was some guy with an apostrophe in his name claiming that Shakespeare was black.
Lol, there’s always one, isn’t there.
A jewish black lesbian. With a pegleg. Descendant of a later misdeed of Henry V.
Shakespeare wasn't Black, he was a swarthy Englishmen.
An absolute delight to listen to such a learned diatribe against what I have always hated, secrets.
What secret is that? Kid from Stratford turned out to be a good writer? Why are you surprised by this?
CIVILIZATION IS BUILT ON SECRETS
@@thoutube9522 Bunch of chinless toffs and their aspiring grooms of the stool.
@Attila the Pun The evidence has been so well-hidden that it's even been kept out of this video.
What a load of rubbish.
Just another conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories tend to have a few features in common. One is that they are challenging an established authority of some kind. The Government, Academia, The CIA, The Royal Family etc. In this case it's the academic establishment. Secondly, the conspiracy theorists like to think of themselves as the ones who can see through all this, unlike the rest of us sheeple. This gives them an enormous sense of satisfaction. These two principles can be seen in action in all the classic conspiracy theories. The JFK assassination, the moon landing, Diana's death, 9-11, you name it, they all follow the same pattern.
Perfectly and succinctly stated.
so you basically described what a conspiracy theory is but didnt say a word on why you disagree with it
@@wednesday567 There is plenty of evidence that Shakespeare wrote the works (for example, the First Folio, tesimonies by Ben Johnson and others etc..) and no evidence that anyone else did. In order to discredit the evidence for Shakespeare and propose some other author you have to resort to a conspiracy theory as described above. I was simply drawing the obvious parallels bewteen the Shakespeare conspiracies and others. They are all the product of a similar worldview.
@@zeerust2000 i dont think it has anything to do with a worldview, i used to think shakespeare wrote the folio, but u cant ignore certain codes that are imbedded in his life, even if shakespeare did write the folio u cant say that all those ciphers and codes are coincidence, its clear that his history has been tampered with
@@wednesday567 They are coincidence. You are seeing shapes in metaphorical clouds.
Dan Brown has a LOT to answer for. Ridiculously bad.
Yup, all a hoax of some sort and some deeply wierd writings that are deeper than any of us know 😉✌
'A hoax of some sort.' What a brilliant refutation. Give yourself a pat on the back.
Quit the hip posing. No one’s impressed, at least I’m not. If it’s all ‘deeper than any of us know’, then how do you know it’s a hoax? Learn to think with an iota of reason, man.
@@jackmallory7996 he was being sarcastic,
the rosacrucians...
I am here for Bill, because he's the man.
Sorry, but this is not convincing at all. He simply twists and turns the text until it comes out what he wants. Example Oxford. Tauros means bull and not ox. He simply says that the tauros means ox and then puts it for the "ford", et voilà he has Oxford. In this way I can also work out from a Dutch ladies' bicycle that Edward De Vere wrote the poems.
And Tau has no connection whatsoever with Taurus.
The great Waugh. How did he miss a gigantic roadblock in 1611, Queen Anne's World of Words. Several hundred words which are in the First Folio did not enter the English lexicon until the publication of this book. While there were many versions of the plays, none were well enough written to make it into the First Folio without revising and editing to make them more readable as a book. Remember, "Shakespeare" was a linguist, the editor and revisor was also a linguist, John Florio, who gave us the voice of "Shakespeare". No doubt a hundred people had a hand in multiple revisions including Oxford, Bacon, Sidney and North before the final revisions. So no, there was no single genius author but there was a single genius editor. A work of this magnitude could only have been a collaborative effort with a genius touch at the end to provide a unifying voice.
World of Words is a translation dictionary. Only an idiot would take a word nobody understands and translate it to a word he just made up.
@Jeffhowardmeade Everytime you comment you boost the algorithm.
@@joecurran2811 Good! More idiots for me to heckle!
@@JeffhowardmeadeGood for you to admit to everyone you are a troll
@@joecurran2811 And so what? I’m still a troll with logic and evidence on his side, where you’re still a moron no matter what you will admit to.
I'm just a dude who plays video games and works at a mall... this was the most insanely interesting thing I've learned all year. This tops National Treasure!
Agree ☺️
Those video games will make you very limited. You'll understand when you're older and it hurts to move. All of those years of your young life that you wasted on these useless fantasies will be a regret, but it will be far too late. You NEVER get that time back.
@@Valkonnen Could you elaborate why it's wrong playing video games in your free time?
@@claudius2049 What could be wrong with literally wasting the time that you have while you are young, playing games? If you cannot think of anything better to do, to occupy your life or it's so idle that all you can do is play these useless games, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm older than you are, so that allows me to make real-life comparisons that you cannot. The average 20 year old in 1967 would be pretty well rounded as far as education, and if you were to speak with them you could hold an adult conversation. The average 20 something and even 30 something today, first of all, all look the same. T-shirt, cap, and shorts. They ALL dress like little kids and see absolutely nothing wrong with that. A person with no real passion, who hasn't done the work to learn about things in a real way (Not Google) is very limited in what they know and how they behave. I can see it, but you can't. Just the fact that you are probably a guy over 20 years old who would even ask a question like that, shows it to be true.
@@Valkonnen Don’t think you can blame video games for all that. I do agree however that it’s a waste of time, but people were wasting time in 1967 too, nothing wrong with having some fun. The trick is moderation. I think internet knowlege is far worse when it comes to “limited” knowlege today, for several reasons. Just see how Google will provide easy and extraordinary shallow answers to almost any question. It hardly requires any thinking. I could find what date Napoleon died, without knowing a single thing about him, not even how to spell his name correctly. It’s a trade-off however, because the younger you are, the more well adapted to the multiple input stream of modern society you will be, and specialized knowlege should (in theory) be easier to attain. Look at how well versed young people are in the art of digital communication. Not a good trade perhaps, but older people created this world. Look at RUclips, it’s algorithms push videos of a certain length etc. for marketing reasons (based on marketing principles that were around in 1967). As a result you’d likely find several biographies of Napoleon that are under 20 min, which will do little more than career highlights that most won’t remember anyway (and probably some that claim he had ties to ancient aliens or illuminati or something). It’s not all bad though, but I recognize the general “lack” of well rounded knowlege you’re talking about. Thing is, people that grew up before internet and videogames were the ones to click celebrity news, and clickbait-y headlines. The ones to watch short cat videos and infomercial like documentaries. Later generations will take it their own ways, hopefully in a better direction. Like this guy here, he haf a great experience watching a 1,5h video of some old geezer talking, instead of entertaining himself with gaming, why criticize him for it? Young people aren’t stupid, they just grew/grow up in a different world, and while I think we should all point out when we think something important is being lost, it’s far too easy to blame it on young people “wasting their lives”.
People wonder why it took 7 years after Shakespeare died before the Folio was published. I have the answer. It took Ben three days to write his poem, but six years to work out the cryptograms.
LoL!
well, Bacon was still alive, so... y'know Shakespeare was just an imaginary character who needed a death.
@@ExxylcrothEagle Are you kidding? Shakespeare's existence is testified to in the Stratford parish register. Richard Quiney wrote a letter to him. He purchased New Place and the Blackfriars Gatehouse. He's recorded as receiving four yards of scarlet cloth along with the rest of his company so that he could wear the livery of King James in a procession, as a member of the King's Men. He's recorded in the cast lists of _Every Man in His Humour_ and _Sejanus His Fall_ in Ben Jonson's _Workes_ . John Webster mentions Shakespeare, along with several other contemporaneous playwrights, in his letter to the reader that prefaced _The White Devil_ . You think all of this is "imaginary"?
@@Nullifidian you do realize how easy it would be to cook those books? the Stratford parish register??? hahahahah I'm saying that Bacon was the son of Elizabeth!!! That he had a lot of access to a lot of stuff. Honestly, the things you list are completely silly when seen from a different perspective. And I'm not saying that Bacon and De Vere didn't collaborate. It really likely is a collaboration....but I don't believe that deVere was the THRUST of this. He didn't have that big of a chip on his shoulder in 1590...but Bacon definitely did.... NO, All of this is not imaginary. It is just not difficult to write these things in a ledger etc when one has the proper security clearance. And we haven't even begun to discuss 'motive'. Hamlet makes much more sense when you read it or watch it with it in mind that Bacon is the son of Elizabeth and Dudley. Dudley was only recently deceased when the first hints of Hamlet arise..... allegedly..... What role if any did the Queen have in the death of Robert Dudley? The existential despair of this character, this child, this Bacon.... HAM-let...what was it like to realize that you are the son of the Queen and at what age did that happen? Would some scrub from Stratford really be poking fun at Lord Burghley William Cecil in the character of Polonius??? I'm just getting started but I have a lot of stuff to do today...
@@ExxylcrothEagle Yes, I do realize how easy: not easy at all. In fact, it would be virtually impossible, because the Stratford parish register existed to document all the baptisms, marriages, and burials for Holy Trinity Church in Stratford. Therefore, it was _constantly_ being added to, and going back decades after the putative birth of the playwright the conspirators would have found the page already filled up with entries and no place to make a new one, because nobody in 1564 knew that they were going to have to leave a blank space to forward a conspiracy that would happen decades in the future.
And I don't care what brand of lunacy you're peddling, whether it be the Prince Tudor speculation or any other kind of speculation. Speculation doesn't overturn the known documentary record. Official, personal, and literary records all show that Shakespeare existed. If you want to see it for yourself, you can visit the site Shakespeare Documented run by the Folger Library.
"Honestly, the things you list are completely silly when seen from a different perspective."
And what you've listed is completely silly when seen from the fact that there's not an iota of evidentiary support for it.
" Dudley was only recently deceased when the first hints of Hamlet arise....."
Quite. He died in 1588 and the Q1 of Shakespeare's _Hamlet_ was published in 1603. A mere fifteen years. Hardly any time at all. The earliest documented reference to _Hamlet_ is the Stationer's Register entry dated 26 July 1602 saying "James Robertes Entred for his Copie vnder the handes of mr Pasfeild and mr waterson warden A booke called the Revenge of Hamlett Prince Denmarke as yt was latelie Acted by the Lo: Chamberleyne his servantes".
"The existential despair of this character, this child, this Bacon.... HAM-let..."
Yes, and clearly the conspiracy reached back to the 12th century and changed the name of the figure mentioned in Saxo Grammaticus' _Gesta Danorum_ to Amleth so that it could be Anglicized as Hamlet and used to make a porcine pun on Bacon's surname four centuries later. After all, we know how easy it is to cook those books... when you have a TARDIS.
"Would some scrub from Stratford really be poking fun at Lord Burghley William Cecil in the character of Polonius???"
This is immaterial because Polonius isn't a representation of Lord Burghley.
Cripes, this stupid cryptogram garbage again. Let it go, dude. Will Shakespeare wrote the plays.
Wow so you were there in 1600??
@@p5rsona documented member and shareholder in Lord Chamberlain's Men/King's Men. Mentioned by contemporaries as a playwright, with specific titles mentioned. Plays published under his name. Zero evidence anyone else wrote them. Case closed.
@@michaelhorning6014 Plays published under his name. i too can have plays published under my name. nothing of what you wrote proves HE wrote them. why would he abruptly retire back in his hometown, go into farming and never write again? why nothing found with his handwriting?
@@p5rsona now you're just flailing wildly.
@@michaelhorning6014 am I? can you at least try refuting my points?
Delightful! But if you keep changing the rules that govern the logic of relation, choosing one here and another there, where convenient, the whole ends up looking like hyperoxygenated numerology.... it is the mastery of the magician that gives a shiver up the spine.
Amen!
Sometimes it is a sentence beginning after a section of 17 lines- ie. line 18. Sometimes it is the 17th line. Once you have decided it is 17 you can find ways to make it fit. I have already pointed out that Oxford signed himself Edward OXENFORD. The signature being entirely his choice!
My mind had an orgasm reading this !
What ? !
But mastery of what? Symbols?
A fascinating lecture on code breaking. I’m not that bright, so credit to the speaker for making it so easy for someone like me to be able to follow. Intriguing and fascinating.
Well, I could say that I expect, if you are not so bright, that you would find this talk 'intriguing and fascinating'. But that would not be fair to you at all. I don't believe that you are anything like 'not so bright' as you claim, but there is such a thing as common sense and a feeling for reality that is part of intelligence (which is not the abstract sort of thing that an IQ test suggests), and in all honesty, I think a bit of common sense, a feeling for what is real and what is not, is quite sufficient to see that the little web of deception that Mr Waugh weaves is full of holes.
@@timothyharris4708 - I did say I find it fascinating and intriguing, I didn’t say I believed every word of it. ☺️ He did explain it clearly enough for me to follow where he was going, but I confess, I didn’t understand the 4 'Ts' theory, since some of the text he referred to has more than 4 'Ts' and I am too lazy to bother counting all of the characters. However, I am aware that there was a tremendous amount of sophisticated encryption used in those times. I’m not sure that I buy into the conflation of Greek mythology and Latin text, but as I say, I'm not that bright/intelligent and it isn’t anything that I have looked into. Perhaps you are correct and it is a common sense reaction.
@@timothyharris4708 - I also found the documentary film, Cracking the Shakespeare code fascinating too! 😉. I am particularly amazed that many academics cannot seem to accept that a grammar school educated person could be capable of penning his own works.
@@we4r119 Dear We, thank you for your response. I suppose that the reason I find these ideas about 'encryption' and 'codes' so utterly dubious, is that I find it incredible a) that someone writing for the popular stage would want to add to the difficulty of writing (very good) plays the difficulty of adding in encrypted information in odd places which certainly would not be understood by the audience, were not deciphered at the time and if noticed and deciphered at all would be by those who were already in the know, and would only be discovered 400 years later by such as Alexander Waugh. And b) plays were not much regarded as 'literature', which is why many plays of the era were lost - Ben Jonson was the first playwright to publish a 'first folio' of some of his plays in 1616, Shakespeare''s First Folio was published in 1623, long after his death.
It is not so much academics who are unable to accept that an Elizabethan grammar-schoolboy could have written the works, as people who understand little of the history of the time, or who (rather like those who find codes in the Bible or who avidly follow the latest QAnon conspiracy-mongering) like to pretend that they have found all sorts of coded references in the plays and elsewhere (something that is easier to do if you are sufficiently gullible than is generally supposed), or are incorrigible snobs.
You're bright enough to know how to use proper punctuation and capitalization, which puts you ahead of about 75% of commenters. Don't sell yourself short.
why would anyone go to such extremes of complication,and subterfuge to hide something they wanted ultimately to be found?
Because they were poets and they just HAD to speak, but the Star Chamber would have persecuted them for doing do openly.
I'm not being sarcastic here. That's actually what Alexander Waugh claims.
Caius Martius Coriolanus
Yeah...i guess you just simply gotta love Alexander Waugh lol. But i think i would take him more seriously if he wasn't such a narcissist. And fitting the "evidence" to fit HIS hypnosis, instread of the other way around, and it wasn"t so self serving and convoluted, would have helped. But i guess you just gotta take what you get
It WAS found ultimately.
The hiders would probably have been shocked that it took so long.
They probably would have been shocked that anyone took the Stratford thing as seriously as they do.
@@the17thearlofoxford38 Oxfordians should be rightly proud. They managed to find something that was never lost or hidden to begin with.
From hence your memory death cannot take,
Although in me each part will be forgotten.
Your name from hence immortal life shall have,
Though I, once gone, to all the world must die:
Interesting but this dude is reaching. You can add or find patterns in any chart like this. Not convinced.
The chart is a cipher to decode the headstone
I think that’s more of a normal impression that folks have when they’re not knowledgeable on cryptography, all due respect.
I’d love to see u find anything like this in a randomly selected writing
@@SKILLIUSCAESAR TE HE TIDDLE OH HEETSIE WHEE!!!
@@SKILLIUSCAESARThose who do have knowledge of cryptography think all of this hunting for ciphers is a joke.
@@Jeffhowardmeade I recall debating with u about this before and, again with all due respect, u did not come across as knowledgeable about cryptography
@@Jeffhowardmeade also I refer u to the documentary scene where Admundsen presents the Folio title page to the genius considered #2 mathematician alive, and he immediately recognized it as containing code.
He was also a medieval printing press expert, and explained that all of the anomalies would only be greenlit by an insane person or one being very deliberate.
The works are immensely more important then authorship. Shakespeare's children dyed completely illiterate. The author of such incredible works of the English language and his children were unable to read and write? That speaks volumes.
Yes, it says you've bought into bullshit. There is no evidence at all that William Shakespeare's children were illiterate, and there is as much evidence as anyone could reasonably ask for that Susanna Hall, Shakespeare's eldest daughter, was profoundly literate: there are two extant signatures from her, there is an account of her correctly describing a book belonging to her husband as a "book of physic" even though it was in Latin, she likely wrote her mother's epitaph, and her own epitaph calls her "witty [i.e., learned] above her sex".
However, even if his children were both provably illiterate, all it would mean was that Shakespeare was a man of his time and didn't rate female education that highly. John Milton trained his daughters to read to him in various languages, including Latin, Greek, and English, but he never taught them how to understand what they were reading. Does his neglect of his daughters' literacy mean that he couldn't have written _Paradise Lost_ ? Not that it's apparent what Shakespeare could have done all the way from London to help his daughters' literacy. Was he supposed to tutor them via Skype?
We love Waugh really hope he gets better, that is most important. Also with his ever increasing -such and such knew' he will eventually be able to show that nothing but nothing was published in the late 16th and early 17th Centuries except for the specific reason of showing devere was Shakespeare.
He'll have his work cut out for him in catching up to Robert Pretcher, who claims that just about everything PUBLISHED within spitting distance of 1604 was actually written by De Vere.
It was easy to decode. I already knew what I wanted the code to say....
Red flag.
I'd like to watch all of this, but at 18 minutes in, it's starting to feel like I'm reading a QAnon forum where everything is a deep, complex conspiracy.
You are absolutely right.
And also, apart from the director of the Anonymous and his questioning of Shakespeare, i would also say, most writers, especially back the then, were middle or upper class, they could read and write, and I’m rooting for the working class here, but why would a working class man give a damn about the royal family and all that la di da carry on?. Why would a working class man want to immortalise those people?, and not write about his own life?, and then he only left behind like what?, six very badly signed signatures?. Come on.
Shakespeare _was_ middle class. He was the son of a man who ran a successful business, had one of the largest houses in Stratford-upon-Avon, and had various important civic duties including bailiff, chief magistrate, alderman, and mayor. John Shakespeare may have suffered financial reverses later in William's life, but in William's earliest years he was quite a substantial man of business, property, and civic importance in the town. Shakespeare certainly wasn't the son of Robin the dung-gatherer.
As for why he wrote about royalty, it's because he was a playwright in the early modern era. John Webster was the son of a coach-maker and his plays were about the nobility (e.g., my favorite non-Shakespearean play of the era, _The Duchess of Malfi_ ), Christopher Marlowe was a cobbler's son and wrote _Edward II_ , Robert Greene was a saddler's son who likely wrote _Edmund Ironside_ and certainly wrote _The Honourable History of Friar Bacon and Friar Bungay_ , where Henry III and Prince Edward are both characters (and Edward is the center of a major plotline), George Chapman was a yeoman's son who wrote frequently of the French court, and Thomas Middleton was a bricklayer's son who wrote extensively about the nobility in his tragedies (e.g. his most famous play, _The Revenger's Tragedy_ is set in the Italian court and features a lecherous Duke whose actions motivate the tragedy). He wouldn't have written about his own life because he was a playwright first and foremost and nobody would have wanted to see a play based on his life, and he lived _long_ before there was any significant tradition of autobiographical writing in English literature, an innovation that would only start with the Romantics (e.g. William Wordsworth's _The Prelude_ ). Shakespeare no more had to be a nobleman to write about the nobility than Philippa Gregory has to be the secret identity of the Duchess of Kent.
And he left behind six perfectly adequately signed signatures. They only look strange to us moderns because they're in secretary hand (which was based on black letter script and was already dying out in Shakespeare's day), and not in Italic hand, which became the basis for modern cursive. I find Sütterlin mystifying to read, but it doesn't mean that the German-speaking children who learned to write that way couldn't write. Obviously, it means just the opposite. Nor do we have just six signatures because we also have three manuscript pages of _Sir Thomas More_ identified as "Hand D", which are a paleographic match to the six extant signatures you're so down on (and the less standard the signature, the greater the potential for identification since the signature has multiple unique characteristics-the "Hand D" script shows multiple characteristics that link it to Shakespeare's acknowledged signatures and no disqualifying differences), a stylometric match to the rest of the Shakespearean canon, and contain unique words (like the verbing of "shark") and a self-plagiarized line that occurs elsewhere in the canon ( _Coriolanus_ , specifically). Moreover, the manuscript is reworked with running emendations that _must_ be authorial because a scribe wouldn't have copied the crossed-out portions and then struck them out himself. We really couldn't have better evidence of Shakespeare as a writer if we had video of him pacing his London lodgings and saying, "'Now is the autumn of our mild annoyance'-no, it needs to be stronger-'Now is the winter of our discontent'-Will, you brilliant, brilliant man!"
To get on their good side? His family was relatively high-toned and educated for his time and place.
He had no choice, banks wouldn't lend to the common man, he wasn't rich so patronage was the only way to get his plays made.
The crown paid for plays, hence Shakespeare always gave the Tudors good press. Henry the 8th play doesn't mention the horrible bits.
@@MaxMilanoPix Shakespeare always gave the Tudors good press, hence he didn't get stabbed through an eye in a coffee shop in Deptford.
This is ridiculously stupid. I feel sorry for this guy spending so much energy on such nonsense.
A one and half hour hilarious stream of conscious rant full of literary and biographhical ILLUSIONS
The real Shakespeare was the friends we made along the way❤
I concur.
That's a great way to look at it.
Sounds gay to me
What a total waste of time. Brunel has lowered its reputation as a serious university. Why does anyone give this Buffon Waugh any time. Misguided pseudo intellectual
Vulgar eye, vulgar tongue.
I can understand the elevation of autistic parlour games into an hour of distraction aided by our obliging furlough of incredulity, but what exercises my unease is the suspicion that it is all motivated by classist snobbery. Evelyn Waugh and the Earl of Oxford feature like a usurping comedy junta.
“God the biography.”..what utter egotism.. you can’t second guess the mind of God or the Creator.. it’s irrelevant what Gods name is.. it’s a concept.. that life has meaning.. and we should be spiritual.. and believe that life itself has purpose.. To deny any possibility of the existence of a sentient force is the epitome of self righteousness.. and this mindset is used to justify untold misery and indeed tyranny.. after all if there’s no point in anything.. anything goes.. all hell can break loose , as there’s NO consequences for what men do.. or what Nations do.. let’s all go nuts and destroy everything.. coz fk all matters.. DO WHATEVER YOU’RE TOLD.. Don’t think about anything moral.. there’s no morality in a Godless world.. THEREFORE ONLY DO ..just what the controllers want you do and to think..!
There's less stretching in a Mr. Fantasic lecture.
Evelyn Waugh could not written Evelyn Waugh because he was middle class. The true author must be an aristocrat. I say this because I'm a snob.
Would that Evelyn Waugh hadn't written Evelyn Waugh. I don't think I could survive reading Brideshead Revisited again.
@@Jeffhowardmeade I agree about Brideshead but Scoop, A Handful of Dust and others are good
What?
Oh yawn bloody yawn. You people must spend weeks working out the grid that suits your purposes.
A bright kid from Stratford turned out to be able to write poems and plays. Why is that surprising? I could count the talented aristocrats on the fingers of one foot.
It doesn't take nearly so long anymore. It can be done with a computer algorithm almost instantly. Imagine how much work would have gone into CREATING these codes, though, all by hand, with a quill and paper. And then, they had to be set by hand in order to be printed, without any errors, by typesetters who typically decided how to spell words and when and where to break lines.
And yet EVERYBODY seemed to be doing it. Gawd, they must have been bored out of their minds.
My feeling is that when the Anti-Avonians are not resorting to quasi-religious organizations, they insist that no one without a university education can write. How about Bob Dylan? Richard Pryor? Woody Allen? Dolly Parton?
My favorite Anti-Avonian is the guy who draws triangles on First Folio or else it may be the poetry. Well, what if a different type face were used? His triangles wouldn't work.
@@susanwozniak6354 I think you're referring to Alexander Waugh, who (even more hilariously) draws around the dedication in the sonnets, turns it upside-down, and says it obviously represents a funerary urn.
@@MrMartibobs I typed the above response before he got into those circles, lines and odd shapes. The other guy is not Waugh but another youtuber who relies on drawing triangles and on Masonic references. I know little about Masonry but although it may have roots in guilds for Medieval stonemasons, the first Grand Lodge was founded in the 18th C.
All that line drawing is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous is how Waugh throws in geometry and Jesus and surprising forms worthy of a child's decoder ring from a 1950's corn flake box, then has the gall to come back it his earlier statements with the phrase, "Now we know." The correct phrase should be, "Now I assume."
I don't particularly care who wrote the plays, they stand on their own merits, but this is overly contrived nonsense. He's starting with a conclusion and working backwards from there. With enough time and very selective picking and choosing, you could twist these documents into saying anything you want.
“We’ll probably get over 1000 views online…”
134,000+ July 2022
I dare say with this type of “analysis” you could “prove” absolutely anything you want.
" *you could “prove” absolutely anything* "
Exactly. He dares people to figure out what are the odds of such a complicated message appearing *here* by chance, and that is rightfully unlikely. But it's the wrong question to ask. The correct question is to ask "what are the odds of finding an equally complicated message *somewhere* ? " It's not the only place he ever looked at, is it?
Say, I wanted to prove that Santa Claus was Shakespeare. Could I find enough "evidence" for it if I dug deep enough? If that was my passion, and I was bright enough, I'm liking my odds.
I mean, seriously. I looked at the first line of my post and I counted 15 words (on my screen). That's two references to Jesus already! XV, Christ/Cross and Veritas/Vicit
What are the words following a period, for example?
He, But, The, It's, Say. Could, If. What do we get, let me think...
If He Could Say It's The But!
I got it! It's the butt, It's all ASS! ;-)
I'll repost it in a separate thread.
🤣
@@vikidprinciples With that said, they practically convinced me by now (two days later)... Not by this esoteric geometry, but by matching the plays to the real events.
Hamlet seems the most convincing. Even if Shakspare of Stratfort wrote Hamlet, it's unlikely he didn't base it on the story of De Vere.
Then he retired to Stratford, where he occupied himself with money-lending and suing people for petty debts, and finally scratched his "mark" on his last will, then died...
I mean, those oxfordian guys have better arguments. This talk's potential impact is awfully overstated, right at the beginning.
@@bakters Why is it 'unlikely' that the playwright who wrote Hamlet 'didn't base it on the story of de Vere'? Are you just pulling this out of your hat, or have any serious evidence to provide? The former, undoubtedly. And why do 'those oxfordian guys have better arguments'? On what grounds do you say this?
@@timothyharris4708 Read what I wrote again. I said that even if the guy who could barely scratch his name actually wrote Hamlet, then it's unlikely he did not base it on De Vere's life.
Re: better arguments' (sic!)
I meant they have better arguments than
"esoteric geometry". Now I'm more or less convinced that De Vere was Shakespeare and I still doubt this thing.
While this talker here was sure he'll convince everybody who'd listen to him...
Well, he failed at that. Somebody else had to step in.
I was hoping for something interesting and insightful about the works of WS. Instead, numerology and cabalistic mumbo jumbo. Evelyn was a genius; how many can his reputation drag along whose only merit is to carry that illustrious surname?
Agree. Bit like flying saucers, spoon-bending and other assorted nonsense. This keeps coming up like in my college days. Then it was Marlowe. University wits and so on. Actually, who cares? So Shakespear didn't write Shakespear. OK. Doesn't add or detract one iota from the greatness of the works.
Couldn’t make it thru the ramshackle opening about crosses and T’s etc….sorry
Speaking as someone who watched the whole thing, you've missed nothing.
I watched the whole thing and what complete utter nonsense. Why on earth would people back then go through such a massive effort to disguise the “real author” when they had no way of knowing that Shakespeare would be regarded as a literally genius in the future. It wasn’t until the early 1800s that his plays saw a resurgence in the public eye. His plays weren’t meant to be READ, they were meant to be seen. All these cyphers and clues remind me of Flat Earth logic and Nostradamus BS. You need to swap letters and create anagrams and ignore mirror images for everything to fit the agenda. If you replaced any letters with the number 6, this man would find a convenient way to show how 6 was important in the identity of Edward De Vere. And the clue pointing to the funerary monument in Westminster? It points to SHAKESPEARE’S monument. Yet this man insists it’s not Shakespeare, it’s De Vere. Wake up! De Vere was a nobleman who died in obscurity. If he wanted to take credit for the plays, he could have done so because playwrights weren’t criminals. There was no stigma. Also, De Vere was already a published poet, so explain to me how it was acceptable to publish poems yet disguise stage plays?There are lots of clues to McCartney’s death on the Sgt Pepper and Abbey Road albums. Clues that you need to twist to make fit. That doesn’t mean Paul McCartney was replaced by a body double in 1966. There are only 36 letters of the alphabet, so of course you are going to find occasional patterns that make you feel there is something significant going on. Open up any novel and count how many times ISH and TT appears in proximity to each other. The only thing that matters is hard science. You want De Vere as the true author? Collect the DNA from Westminster to prove how it’s really De Vere. But I think you know very well that grave in Westminster is empty because it’s a monument to a man who is buried in Stratford. Or better yet, use analytical AI software to compare the language in De Veer’s published poems with any one of Shakespeare’s plays. I’m guessing you don’t want to do that because you might not like what it reveals.
Very interesting. Complete bollocks but very interesting.
agreed
After reading these comments I realized the secrets of the Twice Eleven Brethren are safe and will remain hidden from the Commoners.
The works of Shakespeare weren't written by Shakespeare but by someone else called Shakespeare
Yes, but he was just a front man for someone else called Shakespeare.
I still keep thinking about the Northumberland Manuscript. Have never been able to buy the theory that it is just scribbling by some scribe. Also, when you said in the video that Bacon took over after Edward de Vere died, what did you mean, what did Bacon take over - sorry, did not understand that part. What about a joint Edward de Vere/Bacon partnership for Shakespeare, is this a possibility (and is this what you meant), don't the dates work better? Very interesting presentation! But, please, what is your opinion of the Northumberland Manuscript - it has always seemed to me that even if it was a scribe scribbling, the scribe had to put Bacon and Shakespeare's names together for a reason.
The "Northumberland Manuscript" ended up as the temporary book binding, which tells me that it was originally in someone's book bindery. The script used was in a very practiced hand. Where does a bookbinder who needs to write pretty practice? On the sort of scrap paper that tends to end up as an ad hoc paper binding, of course.
Henry Neville’s name was also on the NM.
@@nativevirginian8344 So what?
stopped watching at @40.47 when this supposedly intellectual started calling an ellipse a "perfect circle" up until then nothing he even said was about Shakespeare being a fake.
Is it not amazing how you can make anything prove whatever you want, if you try hard enough? T, T, T,= IX, and I can prove it!
Trust me when I say "There are much much better channels on Edward de Vere, the 17th Earl of Oxford." I watched 30min and though it wasted.
Daft conspiracy theory.
The Waughs were and are snobs, that's behind his crazy views.
Rather lax research. If you look at the poetry of the Earl of Oxford under his own name you`ll notice, if you have any literary judgement at all, you`ll notice that he has no real poetic talent whatsoever.
Yawn. There's the small issue that Shakespeare's plays mention events after De Vere was dead. Computer textual analysis excludes De Vere as a candidate. It also shows that many of the plays were collaborations with other working playwrights - why would an aristocrat do that? The plays contain Stratfordian dialect and use a lot of terms from glove-making. Shakespeare is one of the best documented commoners of the age. These people are basically snobs - they can't accept that the greatest writer in the language was a tradesman's son. So they come up with speculative drivel like this.
They can't accept it. That's the key in most Shakespeare conspiracies.
That is it. You're exactly right. But ultimately more glory to Shakespeare. The idea an aristocrat wrote Shakespeare's wonderful comic commoners for the stage is ridiculous. They would have been insulted if you suggested it then. He was who he was always attributed as. An Earl wrote the likes of Bardolph, Pistol, Quickly and Doll? Fuck off. It's blatantly obvious he wasn't a noble.
The fact (from a certain point of view) was one of the legitimate censures of Will Shakespeare. His 'native wood notes wild' in miltons phrase, associated with his commoner origins. I mean it's stunningly clear from the works he was relatively unconnected and rolling dice. It was only later people began to assimilate his style with genius or sublimity.
That a commoner could not have such an in-depth knowledge regarding courtly life is perhaps a valid argument, but by same token, how could a noble man have the in-depth knowledge of the emerging trader classes, artisans and the country folk?
In fact the former could be looked up in most of the extant literature beginning from Homer. Most of it was there, cannonized in literature and (stll extant) history, whereas. the latter, especially that related to Stratford or greater England was just emerging. Beecher Stowe or Charles Dickens would appear centuries later.
Homer or the bards who wrote the great epics certainly must have listened to the tales of the sea farers. It probably sets a categorical imperative to not being of noble birth, because the latter generally condones too much familiarity in relationships with the lower classes and generally implies only a canonnized, highly biased, historical text-book-aquired knowledge about the latter. I can not imagine a barons son ever showing any interest in the private lives of their serfs or servants, or paying visits to their country cottages, let alone learning their dialect or goings about their family lives.
Just as today the boulevard papers make fortunes by gossip-printing about celebrities with higher incomes and life styles, I assume the doings at court were widely circulated, through mouth and print. And a poet and a genius would have no problem, weaving a tale about it, just as Homer or the bards, wove remarkable ones about palaces, courtly intrigues and far away lands and sea shores, places they probably had never seen.
@@mushtaqbhat1895 There's also some evidence that as a young man Shakespeare spent time as a tutor and actor with the aristocratic Hoghton family in Lancashire. If true, the family had extensive experience of court life.
Plus he was, of course, literate - and there were plenty of sources he could have used.
Later in life he had close court connections.
So there's really no mystery to explain.
On the other hand the De Vere theory has insuperable issues - I thought it had died a death until I saw this lecture.
The computer textual analysis is decisive - De Vere had a totally different writing style to the man who wrote the plays and poems - it's not even close. This is a kind of textual fingerprint you can't consciously change - and on all the standard tests De Vere didn't write the plays.
The same with all the other main candidates, by the way.
And there's the small issue that Shakespeare was active and writing years after De Vere's death...
As I said above - this is just snobbery. These people can't accept that the son of a glover was our greatest poet - so they had to award the mantle of greatness to some random aristo instead...
shakespeareauthorship.com/elval.html
When the Beatles wrote number 9 do you think they were talking about Jesus christ?
Yes
Edward (6 letters) De (2 letters) Vere (4 letters)
I found that compelling as well. The 6-2-4 is the name itself, as well as the date of death (June 24)--and more, it seems. Well observed.
@@Torvig Ooooh yes 6 2 4 I believe it's the wheel configuration of the first steam engine to run through Lower Missenden. And the sleepers were laid 16 inches apart, and 16 is the number you get when you add up the numeric values of 'Oxford' and then subtract the waist size of Oxford's Gaskins. How can these fools fail to see the significance of all this? Well spotted. Remember the song by Chicago? 25 or 6-2-4! They knew!
@@MrMartibobs It's clear as day!
It's called a coincidence you frickin' pseud.
Edward de Vere was tutored by Dr. John Dee in the esoteric arts: numerology, mathematics, cryptography, astrology, etc. Dr. John Dee started MI5 and signed his documents as 007. You really can't make this shit up lol!
Brilliant men with too much time on their hands. But cryptography and secret ciphers are a strange way to show reverence for Jesus Christi who was so straightforward and open.
What is easy when compared to why.
Why anyone would go to these lengths to hide the name of a playwright.
The Why would need to be as crucial as the code is cryptic otherwise you are still left asking
why?
The why becomes easier when you look at it from the other direction. Waugh knows he has no documentary evidence for de Vere's authorship, so he has to go on extended hallucinations about codes to generate something, anything, to serve in place of the evidence he doesn't have.
@@Nullifidian Agreed, though the "why" I was referring to was why people at the time would've created such a complex code to hide the name of the playwright unless being discovered meant something quite catastrophic to justify the complexity of the code created
It's been shown time and time again, that if you're motivated to find something in a source, you can always find it. People did this with works like Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, and even Sesame Street in response to people doing exactly the same nonsense with the Bible Code. Give it up.
A tremendous number of motivated people have looked for Stratford-related ciphers in the same material but have come up with nothing.
Were they simply not motivated enough?
What was discovered hiding in Harry Potter...just wondering...
@@stevenhershkowitz2265 the fact that you think the Stratford people don't put forward a similar case is very telling. Time to hit google, my friend.
@@bouncycastle955 Google comes up with nothing except Baconian ciphers. So what is you being wrong about "the fact" very telling of? And no we are not friends, but maybe we can be intellectual equals if you can come up with a better response that is based on truth.
@@stevenhershkowitz2265 my grandma can't figure out facebook but even she doesn't have trouble performing a google search. We aren't going to be intellectual equals until you get that one down, chum.
@@bouncycastle955 Have YOU actually googled Shakespeare+cipher?
Someone has too much time on his hands. Like a Covid test you're going to find what you're looking for if you look hard enough. De Vere either wanted posterity to know he was Shakespeare or he didn't. If he did, it would have been a lot simpler. He would have left some writing that said "I wrote Shakespeare's plays."
Covid tests are more reliable
@Jessica Murray Yes, 400 years after his death, he has been raised from his crypt by charlatans like Waugh to announce that he really wrote Shakespeare's plays. Would that he had remained encrypted. Then we wouldn't have to put up with dishonesties and special pleading that appears in this video.
@Jessica Murray No, he didn't. Other people have claimed to find "encrypted messages" in the works they want to attribute to de Vere, and they judge the success of their "decryption" by how much it tells them what they want to see. This is a recipe for self-delusion.
Before the Oxfordians, the Baconians were mad for encryption and many of them still are. Others have thrown their hats into the encryption ring in support of other candidates. Any methodology that can yield so many mutually contradictory answers cannot possibly be valid.
but why not have some fun?
@@AntonDee What kind of fun? Do you find Waugh's charlatanism 'fun'? You do realise, don't you, that because of cynical, money-grubbing, conspiracy-mongers like Waugh, a great many, mostly rather ignorant people now believe that there is a serious case against Shakespeare's authorship when there is none? I suppose you believe that denying that the Holocaust took place, or denying climate-warming, or denying that Biden won the last election is just 'fun'. I am not, by the way, pretending that the denial of Shakespeare's authorship is in any moral way comparable to those examples, but the manner in which, via, in particular, the internet, people are led to believe in conspiracy theories is common to all these examples. Surely one can have 'fun' without supporting charlatans and misleading people?
Wow, what a beautiful mind! This reminds me of mathematician John Nash in the famous biopic . . . before he got mental help.
I thought of the same thing.
Very sad to hear of Waugh's passing. This was superb!
What utter drivel is he even talking about?
{:o:O:}
6 2 4 are also the number of letters in the Earl of Oxford's name.
Edward = 6
de = 2
Vere = 4
Indeed. Furthermore : Earl of Oxford (4, 2 and 6 letters) !
He signed himself Edward Oxenford. If you are going to say the word Oxford is important that applies to the 16th 17th 18th. It's a family name.
Note to self: never play this guy in scrabble. Because he's a barking lunatic.
@Recuts If there is a fine line between genius and insanity, Waugh has gone galloping over it at top speed on the back of a unicorn on his way to the Mad Hatter's tea party.
@Recuts I do understand what's going on here. Waugh decides that there _must_ be a secret message in advance because all the documentary evidence and the contemporary testimony supports Shakespeare's authorship on its face. Therefore he's forced to posit that there _must_ be something under the surface. Then he supplies the entire context in the process of 'deciphering' the code, never bothers to demonstrate that the said code was actually _current_ in early modern England, and judges the success of his results by how much they tell him what he wants to believe. In short, what Waugh is doing is reading his prior beliefs into the text. It's a textbook case of confirmation bias.
And the very complexity of Waugh's delusions is what kills his claims stone dead. In the early modern era, all typesetting was done by hand... by the compositors... who chose the layout and spelling of the text themselves. There is simply no way of achieving what Waugh wants to believe was achieved until substantially into the 20th century. It would be hard enough to get a simple substitution cipher through the early modern press given the possibility-indeed the probability-that a seemingly random string of letters would be placed in the wrong order. Edward de Vere would have had to be standing in the print shop himself to direct the compositors in their task in order to have a prayer of any sort of code or cipher being transmitted successfully, but Waugh finds 'codes' in works that were first printed long after de Vere's death like the sonnets (1609) and the First Folio (1623).
"poor fellow, for he is mad; quite mad." and, as an interesting little project, please tell me who authored the lines quoted and provide the evidence for your assumption.
genius and madness are the best of bedfellows..
First argument: there are a lot of graves that don't have anything buried in them, especially from times of disease outbreak when bodies were generally cremated so they couldn't spread the disease. That said, the fact there's a hollow _at all_ says someone or something was buried there, and a disarticulated human skeleton would fit into that space.
Second argument: it wasn't bad syntax in the seventeenth century when English spelling hadn't been standardized. Written language changes slower than speech, but it does change.
Third argument: a headstone that reads "in this grave" doesn't mean inside the stone, it means under the ground next to it.
I've already refuted the premise this entire argument is based on.
Can someone explain WHY? What was the point of hiding his identity behind a pseudonym only to have all these clues later? Motivations?
If you were part of the peerage and decided to publish some plays, it would be scandalous!
I don't know who really wrote Shakespeare but it seems to me that the anti-Stratfordians can't settle on a single candidate. There are impassioned arguments for the Earl Of Oxford, Francis Bacon and Henry Nevill (and probably other candidates I'm not aware of). It's the literary equivalent of 'who really was Jack The Ripper'. I don't think we'll ever know for sure...
I dont know either, but there is a trend in thinking it was all of the above mentioned. You will noitice that VVilliam spells his name in several ways, and signed his name in more and different spellings, hmmmmmmm.
The main problem is all the direct evidence of who is credited with writing the plays points to the man from Stratford. If you find that evidence uncompelling and start looking for an alternate candidate you're necessarily dealing with indirect evidence. Coincidences and innuendos. And such lines of evidence leave little to differentiate between candidates. Some parts of the plays will match Bacons life, others will match Oxfords life etc. One secret code will say "DeVere" the other "Marlowe". Really, you can make at least some case for any noble of the time.
Well, we do one thing...it wasn't the illiterate from Stratford.
@@Mooseman327 He wasn't illiterate. Why do you say so?
Finally, someone else who has heard of Neville. Can’t his name be decoded from the dedication too?
"Drinks and nibbles" lol cute.
The upper echelons of english society cannot stand the idea that a man nit if their class could write the plays. Those of his own time, pre Public School days, had no such difficulty.
If there ever was a more fallacious argument against this evidence, please let me know. Did you even watch the presentation? This was message coded by the peers of the author, and the odds of such a message being there by chance are 1 out of billions.
@@nippernappertton There is no message. Waugh's febrile hallucinations would require greater accuracy than was possible in early modern printing. Waugh supplies half the context for his supposed 'decryptions', makes up whatever he needs to get the results he wants, and then decides that he's successfully 'decoded' it by how much it tells him what he wants to see.
@@Nullifidian As a biologist, you certainly do spend much your days posting about Stratfordian myths and defaming scholars outside your field
@@annarboriter So what if I do spend my time posting on this subject? It's a combination of having a general interest in early modern theatre, a specific interest in Shakespeare, and a general interest in pseudoscience/pseudohistory/etc. The last also includes an interest in creationism and its new "intelligent design" variant, relativity-denialism (in the scientific rather than the philosophical sense), geocentrism, the flat earth, the so-called "Church of Scientology", the 9/11 Truth movement, JFK assassination conspiracy theories, and Anatoly Fomenko's ludicrous idea that the events of the classical European civilizations happened 1,000 years later and that the intervening time is simply an elaborate fiction (e.g. Alexander the Great would have conquered in the 7th century CE, Julius Caesar would have been assassinated in the mid-10th century, etc.). I don't make a specific point of critiquing _only_ the claims of anti-Shakespearians.
Are you still trying to imply that I'm a paid shill because nobody could possibly think that Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare without being paid to think it? If that's the case, then the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust must be going bankrupt because Shakespeare's authorship is a consensus among everyone but an increasingly vanishingly small handful of cranks. The anti-Shakespearians are graying and dying and not being replaced at a commensurate rate.
Furthermore, I don't "defame scholars outside my field". I leave that up to the anti-Shakespearians, who have more practice in it. Virtually none of them are trained scholars in relevant fields, but they're perfectly content to assert that the real scholars are either deluded or even consciously engaged in a conspiracy to suppress 'the truth'. The guy you cited elsewhere, Joseph Sobran, was a journalist who was so ignorant that he didn't know that Henslowe's Christian name (he of the famous diary) was Philip. None of the Ogburns were early modern scholars. Nor was J. Thomas Looney, who was just a schoolteacher who hadn't heard of Edward de Vere until he picked his name out of a classroom set of _Palgrave's Golden Treasury_ . Since this is a video featuring Alexander Waugh, it's worth pointing out that he has a history of defamation in its proper, literal, legal sense. On one occasion, he falsely claimed that one of his critics was in trouble with the police, which he was then obliged to delete because British libel law is dangerous territory. His primary response to criticism is to delete it if it's in the comments to his own videos and, failing that, to childishly insult the critic. The entire edifice of anti-Shakespearianism consists of a bunch of rank amateurs slinging feces at the people who have relevant expertise in the subject, almost all of whom accept that Shakespeare wrote the works attributed to him (even if some think that some of the plays were co-authored by other people as well).
This is the _third_ chance you've had to present some evidence for Oxford (by far the least promising candidate with the possible exceptions of Daniel Defoe and Anne Whateley), or even the fourth since you could have forestalled me asking. It's starting to appear as if you're aware that nothing you have to present will stand up to scrutiny. But if you know that's the case, why continue with the charade of pretending that Edward de Vere wrote Shakespeare's works?
Isn't doubt about Shakespeare's authorship really about class prejudice and the intolerance of the British class system. ?
No.
Yes. Every criticism of Shakespeare includes his inability to have known this or that which only a highly-educated aristocrat could. Total snobbery.
Is it possible that with enough computing power we would find clues to the communist leanings of Graham Greene in the same text?
Given that Edward de Vere died before a number of the plays were written (which we know because they reference events that happened after his demise) and we know where de Vere is buried (Hackney),all of this is utter nonsense.
Oh. Thank god you cleared all of that up
@@coolnamebro So you're saying that they baptized and buried a figment of the imagination and then erected a monument to that figment that praised him as a poet by likening him to Virgil, saying that "all that he hath writ | Leaves but living art page to serve his wit", and depicted him holding a pen and with a sheet of paper in the regulation subfusc of a scholar? That a figment of the imagination trod the boards as an actor as testified by multiple early modern sources, including two cast lists in the 1616 folio publication of Ben Jonson's _Works_ ? That this figment was praised for his writing by multiple contemporaries, including some who knew him personally or at least knew detailed information about him?
I'm afraid if were aired as an episode of Blue's Clues- the producers would opt not to air it.
if aired,,,it s too late to opt not to !!!
Numerology = complete silliness. Take this seriously at your own risk.
Numerology, codes and ciphers might be silly to us moderns, but it wasn’t to people living in Elizabethan England.
@@annascott3542 yeah, they were dead serious about numbers and their properties.
@@annascott3542 And if you can demonstrate that Waugh's dribble parallels the early modern understanding of numerology, then you'll be doing more than Waugh himself has ever been able to do. Waugh simply makes up these associations himself, massaging the data and inventing the context freely, and then 'validating' the results because they tell him what he wants to hear. It's a textbook case of confirmation bias. If one were feeling unkind, one might ask him how these elaborate codes were supposed to be preserved when compositors chose the layout and the spelling of words themselves.
Alan Turing was obsessed with cryptography, numerical puzzles, ciphers etc. His knowledge of those “silly” things helped him break the German Enigma Code during WWar 2 and saved millions of lives by ending the war 2 years early, according to Historians . Alan Turing was instrumental in developing computers 💻 which enables you to watch this. Silly 😜 indeed
@@robertn800 A "numerical puzzle" is _not_ the same thing as numerology. Numerology is attaching supposedly "arcane" significance to the appearance of certain numbers. An example relevant to this video is the number of Oxfordians who go out of their way to find instances of the number 17 in Shakespeare texts because Oxford was the 17th earl. But the problem is that Oxford never knew he was the 17th earl, and the error in the genealogy wasn't corrected until after his death and wasn't generally accepted until the late 1600s. Numerology is sometimes allied with gematria, the process of assigning a numerical value to words and names, most often with a religious significance like the Tetragrammaton. Numerology was of no help whatsoever in the war, and Alan Turing never believed in it. But even if he did, eminence in science or maths is no guarantee against being a crank in other areas.
It seems that the real Shakespeare changes from time to time and from person to person. What is dubious about the entire project is what is the actual purpose? I believe most people would still enjoy the plays supposedly written by "the Shakespeare". The speaker talking about syntax errors is ridiculous.
fyi, Brunel University don't have the proverbial 'Brick sh*thouse' . >.
But this video is evidence that they have at least hosted a man who's as crazy as a sh*thouse rat.
Just because you found the same sentence else where does not prove plagiarism
Seems like convoluted nonsense to me
Doesn't seem. It is.
1:13:22 whoever did this is extremely clever...🙄👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
I beg to differ... its just throwing masonic symbols... and with every addition the author probably went: "hey hang on, I could be even more pedantic if I described that symbol with a crude metaphor of another cr@p symbol...and went about pulling all the supersticious steaming pile of woojoo cr@p that a w@nker like him could brain-fart into a piece of paper.
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Me on my first day of English Lit
Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha
Pleb
Thanks as ever. I hadn't seen this one. You've answered Glenn's "I am that I am" unique quote, and gone further to help me imagine your thought process. From what you say it was spotting the D in the chapel that was the "let's procreate" moment.
I scanned the comments. Guys, mainly, if you have a modest IQ of say 120+ and are incapable of looking at this without prejudice, certainly if you have any experience of statistical mechanics, please get yourself retested. This isn't a matter for debate. You can argue about whether it's still a lie, but what has been done is utterly incontrovertible. Alexander should be getting a wee bit more respect than cheap abuse, but he went to university in my home town, I think he can handle it.
This is one of the most elaborate creations of its kind in existence. If you have anything to match it we'd all be delighted to look at it. The creator, believed to be Dee, deserves homage from anyone who has ever tackled a cryptic crossword puzzle.
... What are you talking about, chief...?
@@synisterfish ruclips.net/video/WB_QFsrIaNs/видео.html isd where were up to a week ago. Things have moved on since then.
heh heh english monarchies
are a "most elaborate creation"
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Yes, Waugh certainly procreates, as he makes nothing out of nothing.
@@T0varisch Having watched a bit of your first video, which is so amateurish and, forgive me, unutterably stupid (not to mention the appalling sound and your inability to speak coherently or clearly), I am not surprised to lear that you admire that charlatan, Alexander Waugh. You speak of a 'modest IQ' of 120. Could I ask what your IQ is? And perhaps you could explain what Waugh's going to a university in your home town has to do with anything?
How is it that the date 1609 is on the sonnets, but gives a map of where to find de Vere in Westminster if he wasn't moved there until 1619? It would seem if the map theory is correct, then he was moved there before 1609.
And yet his second wife, Elizabeth Trentham, died in 1612 and asked to be buried next to him in the Hackney churchyard.
Conformation bias take to an industrial level.
If I ever have the time and inclination, I'd like to put together a similar theory proving that Bob Dylan was Shakespeare.
Now I come to think of it, he mentions Shakespeare in "Desolation Row". Just a coincidence? We all know what "desolation" means. Barreness, emptiness, something with no value or content. Is he saying that Shakspurr's claim to the "rows", or lines of text is a barren and empty one? Something to think about.
You'd also have a chance at proving The Bard was Bob.
Shouldnt be hard to do using his method
Ironic, as "Bob Dylan" was not Bob Dylan.
But while It's easy to prove that Bob Dylan was really Robert Zimmerman
but it is still impossible to prove that William Shake-speare of London was Will Shasper of Stratford.
@@stevenhershkowitz2265 Balls.
My question is: why was Shakespeare put forth as the author, instead of the real author? What was the purpose in that?
Oh, don't go there. You won't believe the can of peyote-laced worms you will open.
@@Jeffhowardmeade If you 'don't go there', you'll never learn squat. You're giving bad advice.
@@keepitsimple4629 You'll never learn squat anyway. You'll just get a bunch of increasingly bizarre speculations. As the number of people who identified Shakespeare as the author of his works becomes more apparent, the size of the conspiracy which must have existed to suppress the "truth" grows. Eventually you have a bastard son of a "virgin" queen knocking up his own mother and an immortal being founding the Freemasons, the Rosecrucians, or both, and either or both of them taking time out to write plays.
And then hiding the evidence in codes or on Oak Island.
A faerie splashing love juice into the wrong eyes seems almost sane by comparison.
Because women were not allowed to write or be affiliated with the stage. William Shakespeare was a useful idiot and a male.
@@keepitsimple4629 How much squat have you ever learned?
I happen to think there were multiple authors, so Edward De Vere is one of them. The order of the Rosicrucians, a proto-free mason movement in the time of Bacon probably published the first complete works of Shakespeare. That book also contains lots of encryptions.
See also Cracking the Shakespeare code: ruclips.net/video/OpFXD07_NYg/видео.html
Devere’s poetry seems way beneath the quality of Shakespearean sonnets.
Well, come on, tell us who these multiple authors were. I wonder if you have bothered to read Shakespeare's complete works, or any of them at all. Perhaps you could provide a list of those you have read. And could you provide evidence for your assertion that the order of Rosicrucians (probably) published the first complete works of Shakespeare, and explain why they would want to do so?
@@timothyharris4708 Ha ha, I guess you've not read the complete works
@@Meine.Postma Yes, I have. I have taught Shakespeare at university, and I have directed, and I have acted in many Shakespeare plays. I notice that you cravenly refrain from answering the questions I posed to you, preferring an easy and foolish quip.
@@AAMARTCLUB It is.
Ah yes, something different for UFO enthusiast to chew on.
I'm retracting this comment. (But I leave it posted to leave the thread intact).
After having researched more of the subject I have to admit I was wrong. The weight of evidence of Early Modern encryption as a widespread and continuing practice cannot be denied. My written conclusion was quite simply incorrect.
15:35 "Not the case! It's nothing to do with what I believe this [sic], this is what the people who made this code believe." SOLID confirmation bias!!! YOU are telling US what THEY believed, without providing much confirmation from EXTERNAL sources. YOU are finding what YOU think THEY believed in YOUR interpretation. CIRCULAR LOGIC DOESN'T FLY.
It's heartening to read the comments from people like you who see through this drivel. You've put your finger on the nub of the problem. Waugh doesn't demonstrate that his 'codes' actually existed in the imagination of any early modern person. He supplies all the context for his 'decryption' himself and he gets the result that it's Edward de Vere not because it's apparent in the documents, but because that's the conclusion he started with. Nor does he tackle the technical problem that these elaborate 'codes' couldn't have survived for 30 seconds in the early modern print shop where the compositors decided on the spelling of words and set the layout themselves. It's just apophenia from beginning to end.
@@Nullifidian I wish I could figure out why I was YELLING so much... 🙂
I encountered this issue years ago- too many years! Those wonderful ( to me, they were) days at university. My Dramatic Arts, prof was trying, in vain, mostly, to peak the interest of most of the class- not me- back then I think the real author was Christopher Marlowe? Somebody who knows please correct me, fill me in- a contemporary, a rival, is possibly the author, not Will....Regardless of their authorship I confess to being "in love" a lifelong love of all "things" Shakespeare. Quite frankly this discussion is way over my head- I don't even understand the "questionable" theory used to prove his thesis- his contention...SOMEBODY SMARTER, GOOD IN MATH, LOGIC, EMAIL ME, BUT BE NICE! And explain his explanation! And frankly I don't care- maybe it's my age, other issues, encroaching old age, poor health, money woe is me, woes, etc. I just finished ( a definite re-read, Ian McEwan's delightfully, warped, eccentric, novel Nutshell.) Highly recommended...you don't need to be a fan of The Bard. I just glanced up- what the fuh does the Chi Ro sp Art History graduate here but sadly illness has robbed me of "mind" memory- I can't be optimistic anymore. A copy of The Book of Kells sits dust covered, on the other side of the wall, holding me up- I was and am fascinated by the marginalia, the work the monks put into Hiberno Saxon Gospel Books AND YES, I AM AWARE THE BOOK OF KELLS IS NOT HIBERNO SAXON, they pre-date it- and aren't as decorative, whole other dead end- going by this prof's "logical" - I am still lost as to how he is proving who wrote: "what's in a name?" ... Several minutes later, are we asking, did a person, named William Shakespeare exist OR did said person, write what is attributed to him? Are we asking, "did some bloke, use a pen name ?"
Pick anyone you like and they've probably been proposed as an authorship candidate. It doesn't even have to be a contemporary either because the person may be fictional (Anne Whateley, Sheik Zubayr/Sheik Pir) or lived substantially later than the publication of the plays (Daniel Defoe) or well before them (Sir Thomas More, King Edward VI, etc.). You could throw a dart at any list of early modern notables and probably hit an authorship candidate.
Frankly, there is nothing to Waugh's presentation. The reason you can't understand it is because it makes no logical sense. There is nothing in his fanciful presentation that logically leads to Edward de Vere's authorship, but rather Waugh reaches the conclusion he started his 'investigation' with. (By the way, Waugh is not a professor of anything. He's just a writer with no more expertise in early modern theatre, printing, and history than any other layman, and _much_ less than some laymen I know.) Waugh invents 'codes' and 'ciphers' based on printed material that couldn't have possibly survived for thirty seconds in an early modern print shop where compositors set the text themselves and were thus responsible for both the layout and the spelling. He doesn't try to show that his 'codes' were current in early modern era, and he supplies all the context for 'deciphering' them. As a demonstration of authorship, it's no more convincing than a man who tells you that he's getting sent messages from extraterrestrials via coded messages apparent only to him in the patterns of the ties worn by a television newsreader. Waugh's only strong suit is his aptitude for putting on an air of undeserved authority and BSing with gleeful abandon and the source of his 'evidence' is a tendency to hallucination that once caused him to see monkey heads instead of the capitals on the columns of Shakespeare's funerary monument. To put it bluntly, Waugh is a nutter.
samuel blumenfeld says marlow. i concur. search samuel blumenfeld
@@peabodyfrost6258 Have you read Marlowe?
@@Nullifidian No, he hasn't.
@@peabodyfrost6258 Why do you concur? Come on, be brave, give us your reasons_
"hidden geometries and decoding grid patterns" ah yes because the people behind this really wanted to let people know in very vague and uncertain terms about it later, of course.
Tedious and unnecessary introduction finally ends at 4:30.
270 thank-yous'
Alternatively, "Tedious and unnecessary lunacy commences at 4:30".
Thomas Looney was one of the first anti Stratfordians.
'Lies here devere' God I hope Waugh was laughing as he prepared that slide
Good lord, you make _extremely_ liberal use of the word "prove".
as your use of the word liberal .
Amazing, just how did he figure all this out? Real life De Vinci code stuff.
He didn't figure it out; he made it up. It's easy to "decode" anything you like if you're the one introducing all the context by which you "decode" the "message" and you don't have to go through the rigmarole of establishing that these "codes" would have actually been interpreted as such by the early modern figures allegedly responsible for creating (nor how such elaborate codes could have survived for 30 seconds in an early modern print shop where the compositors chose the spelling and formatting of the text themselves).
A fascinating, brilliant and compelling talk (as always) by Alexander Waugh.
One question I have never seen posed or answered, however, is the following: we now know that the Shakespeare grave in the Stratford church is empty (that has been technologically and logistically proven). So: where is old Will Shakspere of Stratford (the putative author of the Shakespeare canon) buried, then? And why does no one ever ask this rather obvious question?! If the alleged 'Shakespeare' (Will Shakspere) is NOT buried in that 'Shakespeare grave' in Stratford, then where IS he buried? (Alexander Waugh makes a persuasive case for Edward de Vere's being buried in Westminster Abbey - but what about that old businessman and theatre owner, William Shakspere?).
We don't know that Shakespeare's grave is empty. We know that his gravestone has been cut down from its original size and shored up. Groud-Penetrating Radar is not able to differentiate between a 400 year-old skeleton and the soil it's buried in.
In 2016 Ground Penetrating Radar scans were performed, and showed that there is definitely something like a body in the grave - but it has been disturbed in the past and may be missing a head. Folklore has long claimed that in 1794, a doctor robbed Shakespeare’s grave and made off with his head! Shakespeare’s skull had been rumoured to rest in a crypt in a nearby village called Beoley. But when researchers examined that skull they found it belonged to an unknown old woman! Where exactly Shakespeare’s skull might be remains a mystery - if it is Shakespeare's skull and body at all, as it is unknown who wrote his epitaph in the Church of the Holy Trinity in Stratford-upon-Avon, which claims the grave has a curse upon it. The epitaph reads, “Good friend, for Jesus’ sake forebeare/ To digg the dust enclosed heare/ Bleste be the man that spares thes stones, / And curst be he that moves my bones.” Sounds more like a silly Pirates curse than quality 'Shakespeare' !! Two more curious facts have bothered researches for hundreds of years: 1/ No name: Of the family members buried side by side, the supposed William Shakespeare’s ledger stone is the only one that never carried a name. 2/ Short grave: The stone itself is too short for a grave. At less than a meter in length, Shakespeare's ledger stone is shorter than the others, including that of his wife, Anne Hathaway. Was he buried standing up? Shakespeare’s mysteriously short ledger stone also corresponds to a repair that has been made underneath the stone floor to support it. Experts suggest that this is due to disturbance at the head end of the grave which has caused significantly more subsidence than elsewhere. Maybe those who cut the ledger stone down from its original size and shored up the form, also wrote the inscription in an attempt to 'suggest' the Stratford man was the London Playwright ... in the same way someone refashioned the Shakespeare monument from holding a sack of grain to writing on parchment, at some point in the past - maybe at the same time... We can see that modern Stratford-upon-Avon has been very commercially successful with the Shakespeare link - as loose as it is!!
Shorely from the time this is generated from you would have to be in the set or a patron that was established in some order to be accepted and be able to pay encruing bills.
The amount of time it would take to produce such a pamphlete would require a bill payer to do so.
A network would also be needed to focus and establish its aims.
Basic running of towns and cities of the time would need networks where there was a collective view rather than an individualist for things to work.
Order rather than chaotic.
Ok thats the two title pages does the sonnets contain other hidden messages.
Rabbis noted some hidden messages in the Old Testaments of the Bible.
Which span centuries and are believed instagated by there complexity and time as notification and endorcement by God.
Whilst i can enjoy this feature i find freemasonary a taxing subject especialy via my personel encounters with active freemasons and there controling endevours for there own collective ends which have been highly questionable..
Outstanding..i am small.
Fascinating but the sonnets were published in 1609. De Vere was buried in Hackney in 1604. In November 1612 his widow stated in her will that she wanted to be buried beside him in Hackney. She died in December 1612. There is a monument to a Vere relative in Westminster abbey in 1609 and there is a much later De Vere family tomb but Westminster has no record of reinterrment for Oxford. Or even Oxenford which is the name he used in his signature but that name wouldn't add up to 17. Oh pother!
I began to watch and quickly gave up. Dude was being much too cheeky and too eager in the intro. The precision he demonstrates is the sales pitch thus giving himself away that this is a hustle and a fraud. Only way you could prove this would be with a time machine anyhow
Fascinating and engagingly, unpretentiously presented - as much as anything, it is a celebration of the thrills of doing your own research and making your own discoveries. I imagine anyone with a closed mind on the authorship question will find this easy to dismiss as it requires concentration and a willingness to follow the threads of Waugh's argument; much easier to dismiss with a sneer. However, I am left wanting to know more much more about John Dee and his powers of encryption and to look for clues of my own.
Good luck finding out about Dee's "powers of encryption". He wrote and published extensively. Guess what he never wrote about.
Ah, a 'closed mind' on the authorship question - someone has quickly learned to use the stale strategy, used regularly by 'Marlovians', 'Baconians' & 'Oxfordians', to insinuate without addressing any arguments or evidence that anyone who disagrees them has presented. '(C)oncentration and a willingness to follow the threads of Waugh's arguments' - Waugh's arguments are threadbare, as you would find if you bothered to concentrate on them and knew anything about the matter at all. Ignorance and folly provide a strange kind of bliss.
@@timothyharris4708 Everything you say of me in this unpleasant and patronising comment is true of yourself. I note that in over a decade of YT membership you have uploaded no content, suggesting you are here merely to 'troll' others.
@@DavidBensonActor Alas, it is not true of myself, however much you would like it to be. I am not a 'member' of RUclips, so this YT membership you speak of refers to you, I suppose. Perhaps you 'upload' content of a kind - I am afraid that, having seen the content & nature of the only two comments of yours I have come across, I have no desire to waste my time on what you upload, which is doubtless as silly and ignorant as your comments. As for being 'unpleasant and patronising', I suggest you look at your first dishonest and hackneyed comment ('hackneyed' since it is the kind of thing trotted out by Waugh himself and every ignorant follower of his as a substitute for argument), where you assert that anybody who disagrees with Waugh lacks the 'concentration' and 'willingness' to 'follow the threads of Waugh's arguments', preferring to dismiss them with a 'sneer'. This is of course wholly untrue. Waugh's claims have been shown to be false, for there is a large amount of evidence that disproves them. I suggest that instead of whoring after the latest conspiracies and charlatans like Waugh, you acquaint yourself with the arguments of people who actually know something about the matter. It will not require much effort on your part, though perhaps rather more effort than is required for falling for the blandishments of a man like Waugh.
@@timothyharris4708 And a Merry Christmas to you too
This guy.... from the De Beer's society. We are to believe he will lead us to the truth? 🤣🤣
neither will De Beer member Brett Kavanaugh
His analysis of the wall plaque requires a little bit too much 'switching around' of the order of the words (the "with in" choice is one thing, but the OTHER spot to break the text in, he offers NO explanation for). He completely missed the "Socratem" mistake, and the out of place German words also.