man I just wanna let you know, even though other channels put up stuff like this sooner, I always wait for and actively watch your vids on this kind of info bc you always have the best quality with testing, video edits, and info overall my point is that I really appreciate these vids!
Yea, totally agree, watched other videos where they just crunched numbers and gave vague infos about one shot weak point but never actually showed the weakpoint. Just glad I know the actual weakpoint now and can't wait to blow some impalers up with my RR tomorrow.
@@TheIvanMilky unlike his personal opinion about weapons, testing things like how many shots it takes to kill something is not up to his personal opinion and is more about facts.
The amount of effort you put into these vids... we have both visual chapters via icons... and youtube timestamp chapters... on top of what's being given via the video. That's crazy.
Yeah I don't know why the hell they did that. I wish they would have left it as is. But that's kind of a story with Arrowhead. At least we have a hell of a lot of options
@@OhDough Cluster is pretty random for impalers, has very little to do with placement, rather what matters is how the bombs drop which you can't really control. even pre buffdivers it either took one, or sometimes 3+. But that's okay, cluster isn''t meant for them. That being said Stalwart is so awesome for them, highest rpm and you don't even have to be that accurate or hit the sweet spot as much. I promise if you try it enough you will eventually get lucky enough to one shot an impaler with a cluster, but don't expect it.
I don't think it matters on this one it as the cluster bomb is made for small and lighter enemies and the bomb airbursts so it cannot hit most enemies unlike the airstrike and that is perfectly fine cause it shines against huge groups of enemies and you can use it fairly often yeah it works on fabricators cause of an arrow in the model. You can one shot the fabricator with the autocannon too if you place it perfectly and cluster just has huge aoe and this easily hits that.
Aight I got to ask. Did you test weapons like the AMR, HMG, and AC-8 on his back legs? Unless they changed it, shouldn't they still have less overall health than the front legs? Iirc last patch I could take one down with 2 commando rockets to strip back leg armor and then about 25-30 rounds from a tenderizer mag. Also I hold the medal for the "only person who has died to the impaler melee attack" (when it has its face above ground.)
Testing with the shield pack makes it a bit easier, the tentacles will hit you directly less and ragdolling is basically a non-issue Have you tested the weapons on the back legs at all? I've found it seems easier with flamethrower when shooting the back legs. Could be placebo idk
Possibly because the Impaler face is its obvious weakspot while attacking and tanks have higher front armor as of this big patch? Granted I never tried since if the Commando can one shot tank heatsinks.
I think the difference between HMG damage going for the limb vs weakspot is that the limb has overall less health post stripping, and the weakspot suffers more from the durable damage nerf.
@@GameFuMasterThey nerfed it so it stays a worse option than anti-tank on bile titans and chargers head weakpoints. HMG has still the biggest dps in the game. That change impact only the weakpoints after armor has been stripped off, but now it can strip the armor on its own. The only other breakpoint I have in mind that it can not reach anymore due the change are alpha/brood commanders heads with one more bullet, so I guess it's still a win. The real nerf are the angle ricochets on that thing.
dough if you ever plan on testing more weapons against the impaler the tentacles cant attack you if you are covered in smoke, not so useful for normal gameplay but really good here
That Spot explains how I was kinda inconsistent from range and often didn't get a RR one-shot from close. Gotta aim for that. Good to know that they fixed the hitbox
i think arc would be much more viable if hitting the impaler's head would make the tentacles retract/stun them. maybe not retract, since they'll then pop back up in front of its face, but definitely would be nice if they stopped moving for a moment.
Sterilizer did stop him from Impaling though, so its worth if you want to reset the status But generally if you're that close you want to kill so, again its one of those things where the "support" weapons that promote teamplay are outclassed by, you know just killing the target. I think the nerfs we've seen in the past were trying to account for this a little bit, because if the teamplay weapons have more ammo and more utility than the other weapons available, you may want to pick it. But all that meant was we didnt have ANYTHING to fight with basically. So the devs finally woke up and said, lets let the niche be niche and finally give Helldivers real guns my 2c
Makes sense, the Impaler IS grounding itself with it's tentacles, so electro' weapons Should do less damage, no stun, to the brain or other essential organs and systems.
So EAT one-taps it but recoilless doesn't? Didn't they say recoilless is now supposed to have higher damage than EAT? EDIT: Wow, so three grenades from a secondary or 4 bolts from a primary kill it, but recoilless won't? Us recoilless enjoyers got shafted.
Did they change something about the orbital gatling recently? It was normal until like a day or two ago and now it sounds different and I feel like I get way less kills on a bug breach
1:45 Guess you are now not even gonna try to use the emote, fall damage reset exploit. More for us i guess. We keep it locked under key and maybe it never gets patched.. Ah who am i kidding, Gamespot already spilled the chili on a yt short.
Ok as much as I love the weapon changes towards titans and behemoths, I feel as though impalers are actually jokes now. Even before the patch they were pretty easy to kill and play around, only becoming nuisances when they could los you through walls and stuff. Now they die if you flick em on the forehead too hard. I think they should get a minor health buff to their face, nothing too crazy. Or revert their armor to how it was before, requiring a little more investment if you don't want to shoot them in the face.
Just use eagle strafing run its op killed around 100 enemies with 5 uses off it. But the laser cannon is pretty damn good for tanks (not chargers) But 1 charge kills impaler, 1 and half charge for bile titan pretty cool and 2 for charger behemoth. Cant wait for they buff it because they said it has a faster cool down but it doesn’t so will be better
I wanted to say sum funny or sum usefull about the video but i got nothing so all i'm gonna say is Great video as always, i like these kinds of videos u do 👍
I have a question, If you can destroy a bot fabricator with a grenade, grenade pistol, crossbow bolt (last 2 being impact explosion) to the vent. Why doesn't 1 Commando rocket to the vent destroy it? When Commando have the biggest damage of all mentioned.
I think its happening because there are 2 separate "destruction conditions" now: - Explosive in the vent, which is a scripted instant kill - High enough penetration will deal damage to the fabricator's health, once the health is gone it blows up This causes some weird interactions with weapons which can trigger both conditions: For example, the autocannon is much harder to "ricochet" into the vent now, because it keeps penetrating, counting as a hit, and damaging the health, instead of bouncing in. That's probably what happens with the commando too - It impacts the fabricator, the explosion is counted against health, and is no longer counted against the instant kill check.
Try using light armor for the speed, Incen Breaker, Ammo back pack, Eagle carpet, eagle airstrike and then maybe a arc thrower or something else for medium bugs. Use the grenade pistol to close the holes from long range. Makes sure you bring the thermite grenades. They will kill any charger.The ammo backpack is the most important. You can have an constant supply of stims and grenades besides all the ammo. Spam the trigger and burn everything.
you'd be wrong. creatine has upwards of 40 years of research alone. try to say things that are at least some what based in reality when talking about health.
@@ELVIStheDotA just experience i think you get charger mission on diff4 and biletitan mission on diff5? and they take lesser damage to kill than diff 6 above (thats when the grean bilespewer gets its head armor)
Thumbnail is how I find out the Impaler has a mouth
would
@@MQtrung🤨📸
It's a mind flayer charger
The V spot
@@emdo.unlimited555the T-Spot
man I just wanna let you know, even though other channels put up stuff like this sooner, I always wait for and actively watch your vids on this kind of info bc you always have the best quality with testing, video edits, and info overall
my point is that I really appreciate these vids!
Yea, totally agree, watched other videos where they just crunched numbers and gave vague infos about one shot weak point but never actually showed the weakpoint. Just glad I know the actual weakpoint now and can't wait to blow some impalers up with my RR tomorrow.
Agreed! He does such thorough testing and shows it all. Very much appreciated!
Its funny reading this 2 days after he was getting flamed for his testing method on the weapons tier list 🤣
@@TheIvanMilky unlike his personal opinion about weapons, testing things like how many shots it takes to kill something is not up to his personal opinion and is more about facts.
New vid idea: testing all weapons on Wilburs?
Would've liked to have seen this without the 30% damage stealth nerf to the HMG.... cause they "forgot" to put it in the patch notes
You got any idea WHY they nerfed it? Like what it was doing too well?
The amount of effort you put into these vids... we have both visual chapters via icons... and youtube timestamp chapters... on top of what's being given via the video. That's crazy.
Charger's hatred for turrets is stronger than drug hallucination
HMG got durable damage nerf for 0 reason🤷♂️
It got buffed I think
And yet the HMG is still considerably better than it was before the patch.
if you are whining you are literally a stupid person
Yeah I don't know why the hell they did that. I wish they would have left it as is. But that's kind of a story with Arrowhead. At least we have a hell of a lot of options
They did bump up the stagger, so now it stunlocks all medium enemies and flinch heavies.
@@ClumsyDrowYeah, but how long until they nerf those options we have currently?
9:55 Yes, that’s how Geometry works. It works to destroy Bot Fabricators too. You gotta know your weapons
it didn't change the outcome when I tried it vs impaler
@@OhDough Cluster is pretty random for impalers, has very little to do with placement, rather what matters is how the bombs drop which you can't really control. even pre buffdivers it either took one, or sometimes 3+. But that's okay, cluster isn''t meant for them. That being said Stalwart is so awesome for them, highest rpm and you don't even have to be that accurate or hit the sweet spot as much. I promise if you try it enough you will eventually get lucky enough to one shot an impaler with a cluster, but don't expect it.
@@jammerthebaws4287stalwart is fun as hell until its a bile spewer map and you feel pain
I don't think it matters on this one it as the cluster bomb is made for small and lighter enemies and the bomb airbursts so it cannot hit most enemies unlike the airstrike and that is perfectly fine cause it shines against huge groups of enemies and you can use it fairly often yeah it works on fabricators cause of an arrow in the model. You can one shot the fabricator with the autocannon too if you place it perfectly and cluster just has huge aoe and this easily hits that.
Aight I got to ask. Did you test weapons like the AMR, HMG, and AC-8 on his back legs? Unless they changed it, shouldn't they still have less overall health than the front legs? Iirc last patch I could take one down with 2 commando rockets to strip back leg armor and then about 25-30 rounds from a tenderizer mag.
Also I hold the medal for the "only person who has died to the impaler melee attack" (when it has its face above ground.)
Testing with the shield pack makes it a bit easier, the tentacles will hit you directly less and ragdolling is basically a non-issue
Have you tested the weapons on the back legs at all? I've found it seems easier with flamethrower when shooting the back legs. Could be placebo idk
Dude u figured out UK shipping??? That’s fkn great news!!!!!
fairly certain, the post office people basically said to see what happens. someone bought a coin in canada so I'll see if it makes it over there.
I don't know if you are cursed or not, but the impalers barely hit me. They are way less accurate when I play
So the V spot is no longer the weakspot
I don’t get why they made it so Commando one shots impalers to the face but needs 3 shots to a tank turret front.
because tank turret fronts have more armor than squishy tentacles?
Possibly because the Impaler face is its obvious weakspot while attacking and tanks have higher front armor as of this big patch? Granted I never tried since if the Commando can one shot tank heatsinks.
@@vincentque1238 yeah, it's more equivalent to hitting the impaler with its claws up.
Probably 1 shot if you hit it in the vent (not sure)
7:02 from behind lol
are the hitches on my computer or in the video? i think i might need to do a rebuild
It's the game
Why aren’t you using stun grenades?
Stuns don't have any effect against "massive" units like BTs and Impalers.
the fuck? ive seen chargers come at my tesla and then turn off as they hit gas and miss. i used nade but it shouldn't matter
first
didn't realize that aiming at the "head" instead of the tentacle parts is better
I've been unloading on the tentacles and being mad it wasn't working 😂😂
I think the difference between HMG damage going for the limb vs weakspot is that the limb has overall less health post stripping, and the weakspot suffers more from the durable damage nerf.
HMG nerf was uncalled for, it already has low ammo and high recoil
@@GameFuMasteryeah needs 100 round mags and one more mag
@@GameFuMasterThey nerfed it so it stays a worse option than anti-tank on bile titans and chargers head weakpoints.
HMG has still the biggest dps in the game. That change impact only the weakpoints after armor has been stripped off, but now it can strip the armor on its own.
The only other breakpoint I have in mind that it can not reach anymore due the change are alpha/brood commanders heads with one more bullet, so I guess it's still a win.
The real nerf are the angle ricochets on that thing.
Ok I did some math and it's actually a big nerf. More of a nerf on the bot side
Still no Break Action Shotgun...smh
What do u think Wilbur would taste like?
Slightly expired shrimp?
This video was awesome! Thank you for the test videos as they're really helpful!
dough if you ever plan on testing more weapons against the impaler the tentacles cant attack you if you are covered in smoke, not so useful for normal gameplay but really good here
That Spot explains how I was kinda inconsistent from range and often didn't get a RR one-shot from close. Gotta aim for that. Good to know that they fixed the hitbox
I like how this video was also a showcase of how the Impaler can fuck with you
Appreciate you being a PROtein-Dough and not a G-Fuel D‘Oh!
Those first several impalers saw your weapon tier list they had to torment you 😂
Oh huh go for the spot above the eyes
Was wondering how I got 1 shots on it
I wanna know why a shell from the Gustav doesn’t one shot when the “weaker” rockets do?
I wish the game had a bestiary that showed you the stats and weak points of enemies after encountering them for the first time.
i think arc would be much more viable if hitting the impaler's head would make the tentacles retract/stun them. maybe not retract, since they'll then pop back up in front of its face, but definitely would be nice if they stopped moving for a moment.
Sterilizer did stop him from Impaling though, so its worth if you want to reset the status
But generally if you're that close you want to kill so, again its one of those things where the "support" weapons that promote teamplay are outclassed by, you know just killing the target.
I think the nerfs we've seen in the past were trying to account for this a little bit, because if the teamplay weapons have more ammo and more utility than the other weapons available, you may want to pick it.
But all that meant was we didnt have ANYTHING to fight with basically. So the devs finally woke up and said, lets let the niche be niche and finally give Helldivers real guns
my 2c
I'm confused with the flamethrower and chem thrower, you weren't aiming for the smooth part of the head like you were everything else?
Makes sense, the Impaler IS grounding itself with it's tentacles, so electro' weapons Should do less damage, no stun, to the brain or other essential organs and systems.
Considering how a crossbow kills an Impaler in 3 shots it is pretty crazy.
Looked like 4 to me, 3 with grenade pistol?
So EAT one-taps it but recoilless doesn't? Didn't they say recoilless is now supposed to have higher damage than EAT?
EDIT: Wow, so three grenades from a secondary or 4 bolts from a primary kill it, but recoilless won't? Us recoilless enjoyers got shafted.
dude you save me so much time, it's insane.
THANK YOU for sharing.
Why didn't you just use the bubble shield backpack for most of this? Must've been painful to watch live.
They literally just nerfed the HMG today XD
Just can't win with AH on these videos
0:33 there is no fucking way a real human being saw that happen on their own computer and *didn’t laugh*
Did they change the back leg damage? That use to kill in half the time.
i stopped playing this game, now im rusty and dying more then before the buffs.
Does the Sterilizer confuse the tentacles if you shoot at them ? It barely confusing the Impaler is such trash.
Purifier is hot garbage in every situation.
Flamethrower is probably faster on the backside of it
Like this comment if you would put a like on OhDough's weak spot
Did they change something about the orbital gatling recently? It was normal until like a day or two ago and now it sounds different and I feel like I get way less kills on a bug breach
Eruptor can 2 tap the impalers (the spot you aim is below the face underneath it so all the shrapnel can go into it.)
Dude I really appreciate this type of content thanks so much for the effort!
The orbital Gatling stratagem will kill them easy
Put the amount of shots on the weapon pics pls and seconds amount on stuff like tesla tower etc.
This is the last video I would have expected to hear yadda in
Messmer
1:45 Guess you are now not even gonna try to use the emote, fall damage reset exploit. More for us i guess. We keep it locked under key and maybe it never gets patched..
Ah who am i kidding, Gamespot already spilled the chili on a yt short.
What about back legs, they used to be weaker last patch right?
impaler poking itself is hilariious
they do so much dmg , i get one shot in medium armor
Impaler? Hardly know her.
Does gas make it miss?
Rear legs are much weaker
Those hitboxes are janky
Uses flamer, kills the target:" you have ignited the torches..."
So its official, they are not Impalers, they are Torches.
Ok as much as I love the weapon changes towards titans and behemoths, I feel as though impalers are actually jokes now. Even before the patch they were pretty easy to kill and play around, only becoming nuisances when they could los you through walls and stuff. Now they die if you flick em on the forehead too hard. I think they should get a minor health buff to their face, nothing too crazy. Or revert their armor to how it was before, requiring a little more investment if you don't want to shoot them in the face.
Honestly I just hit it with a thermite. But if not I'll use the 500 kg or the precision.
Just getting back into the game since about April.. Someone enlighten me where the commando stands amongst the other anti tanks
Just use eagle strafing run its op killed around 100 enemies with 5 uses off it.
But the laser cannon is pretty damn good for tanks (not chargers)
But 1 charge kills impaler, 1 and half charge for bile titan pretty cool and 2 for charger behemoth.
Cant wait for they buff it because they said it has a faster cool down but it doesn’t so will be better
I wanted to say sum funny or sum usefull about the video but i got nothing so all i'm gonna say is Great video as always, i like these kinds of videos u do 👍
Do ARs, shottys and sidearms do damage to the tentacles?
yes but it's not worth shooting them, takes a lot of damage and more will spawn
@@OhDough okay thanks for clarifying. It's never been clear or well communicated to the player whether or not shooting them is worthwhile.
Sterilizer needs a dmg buff without giving the gas nades and strike buffs.
I have a question, If you can destroy a bot fabricator with a grenade, grenade pistol, crossbow bolt (last 2 being impact explosion) to the vent. Why doesn't 1 Commando rocket to the vent destroy it? When Commando have the biggest damage of all mentioned.
I think its happening because there are 2 separate "destruction conditions" now:
- Explosive in the vent, which is a scripted instant kill
- High enough penetration will deal damage to the fabricator's health, once the health is gone it blows up
This causes some weird interactions with weapons which can trigger both conditions: For example, the autocannon is much harder to "ricochet" into the vent now, because it keeps penetrating, counting as a hit, and damaging the health, instead of bouncing in. That's probably what happens with the commando too - It impacts the fabricator, the explosion is counted against health, and is no longer counted against the instant kill check.
Thermite spikes kill it with one grenade and give you enough time to run away. That's what I've been using.
@@BackwardsPancake But if you shoot a commando in the vent you get the same kind of of explosion as crossbow
If their tentacles are up and you hit the fleshy "cheek" between its face and front leg it'll also one shot with RR
This time he even did some random stratagems and primaries, yet still no thermites 😞
... what? Thermite grenade was the very first one he did
Lmfao f*cking seriously dude? Literally the first thing he tested...
Ah yes, the Impaler. The single reason I main bots now 😂
does the confusion not affect Impalers?
was playing recently and felt like i was fucking up impalers with just a few shots with the x-bow. am i crazy or is that a thing now?
had no clue the smooth spot is weaker, thanks man
ass is also a weak spot, oneshots with recoilless
THEY CHANGED THE AUDIO FOR THE ORBITAL GATLING BARRAGE WITH YESTERDAYS PATCH AND IN SAD, with that said the new Scorcher audio sounds nice
There were actually a whole bunch of stealth audio changes. The Eagle Strafe sounds mean af now.
absolutely love when you do these videos. thanks man.
So the V spot is no longer the weakspot
Bro by myself on (4) Challenging I struggle sometimes to even seal bug holes!! I die a lot!!
Try using light armor for the speed, Incen Breaker, Ammo back pack, Eagle carpet, eagle airstrike and then maybe a arc thrower or something else for medium bugs. Use the grenade pistol to close the holes from long range. Makes sure you bring the thermite grenades. They will kill any charger.The ammo backpack is the most important. You can have an constant supply of stims and grenades besides all the ammo. Spam the trigger and burn everything.
Ooooooooooh that's the weak spot! 😅
I don’t understand why the railgun lost AP 7 at 90% charge.
Specifically so it can't kill tanks/cannon turrets from the front
@@louiesatterwhite3885 aw man. But that reward of hitting 90% felt so nice.
I get pissed just by seeing that stun locking and absurd rag dolling 🤮
no hate, but almost all supplements are terrible for your liver and kidneys, same with most kinds of pill. just say'n
you'd be wrong. creatine has upwards of 40 years of research alone. try to say things that are at least some what based in reality when talking about health.
i dont think testing things below diff7 is valid rn
they have lesser hp below 7
Where did you hear this?
impaler hp isn't affected by difficulty.
@@ELVIStheDotA just experience
i think you get charger mission on diff4 and biletitan mission on diff5? and they take lesser damage to kill than diff 6 above (thats when the grean bilespewer gets its head armor)
@@OhDough ok that i didnt know
@@I39393II'm pretty sure that difficulty has nothing to do with enemy health.