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  • @nate9388
    @nate9388 22 дня назад +124

    I swear that Doug and Joel could fix the situation up un a private conversation in under two hours.

    • @YTTraveler777
      @YTTraveler777 22 дня назад +9

      I don't think so. You haven't delved yet into the philosophies behind Webbons camp.

    • @BenGallows
      @BenGallows 22 дня назад +23

      Only if Joel agreed to work for Israel like Doug does.

    • @nicks3933
      @nicks3933 22 дня назад +20

      @@YTTraveler777I believe the issue is one group believes denying the Holocaust sends you to hell and the other group believes actual heresy sends you to hell.

    • @youngsterjoey9038
      @youngsterjoey9038 22 дня назад

      @@BenGallows 🐽

    • @spartakos3178
      @spartakos3178 22 дня назад

      Only if Joel gave up his hitlerite fetish.

  • @HonestlyNow4Real
    @HonestlyNow4Real 23 дня назад +90

    Am I being too simple? Be an anon to avoid cancellation by employers and other potential opponents of the Gospel, but operate as though your pastors, your wife, and all your adult children knew it was you.

    • @jamesedwards.1069
      @jamesedwards.1069 22 дня назад +8

      Don't forget God knows it's you. God is our most honest critic and our most loyal champion. If we conform ourselves to His revealed will for us, we will prosper.
      Psalm 1
      1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
      2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
      3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
      4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
      5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
      6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

    • @RebekkaMH13
      @RebekkaMH13 22 дня назад +2

      And, because we are weak humans, some of those people should probably have access to that account for accountability. Pretending that my pastor can see it and an actual pastor that sees it are two different things. The pretend pastor might agree with you more often than the real one. 😅

    • @topkapi9351
      @topkapi9351 22 дня назад +2

      @HonestlyNow4Real Joel, Wess, and Michael all agreed that if you have an anon account some pastoral authority in your life should know that the account is you in order to keep you accountable.
      Guess that didn't make the clips shown in this video though. Wonder why. 🤔

    • @jillthomson3038
      @jillthomson3038 22 дня назад +2

      @@topkapi9351You’re right, I also listened to that podcast & Joel made that clear.

    • @timzimlich1301
      @timzimlich1301 5 дней назад +1

      You think Christians didn't operate in anonymity in the Soviet Union? Who's Doug carrying water for?

  • @forsterfarm4492
    @forsterfarm4492 23 дня назад +58

    I just want to point out, all of us deal with anons, AKA trolls. Joel deals with them. You deal with them. Anyone with a public platform deals with them. Joel doesn't have to tell "his" anons to lay off of you any more than you have to tell all of the trolls following your account to lay off any one else out there - because you CAN'T. It is impossible, the trolls will always exist. This is just internetting 101. The minute someone starts complaining about the trolls, or anons, they've lost the argument. You simply need to block them or ignore them, but they aren't Joel's fault. They're here purely to chip at your armor until your show a little tear - which has just happened with this video.
    I hope you all just make up and move on.

    • @theMolluskMan
      @theMolluskMan 23 дня назад +8

      Exactly. Well said.

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +9

      Exactly! The more Doug argues about this topic, the weaker it makes him seem. It makes him look sensitive and unable to forgive

    • @robertlewis6915
      @robertlewis6915 22 дня назад

      You realize that part of Wilson's point here is that Webbon is encouraging the anons?

    • @Connnacht
      @Connnacht 22 дня назад +2

      We all deal with them AND we don't need to disavow every single comment

  • @AndersAylward
    @AndersAylward 23 дня назад +95

    I don't think either side realizes how much they are losing the respect of those who already followed them by this disputing

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +14

      True. It seems like these people are just disputing each other out of intellectual pride.

    • @lewislibre
      @lewislibre 22 дня назад +17

      Agreed I’m over this crap

    • @justinchamberlain3443
      @justinchamberlain3443 22 дня назад +3

      @@nerychristianright that’s called Calvinism (ie pseudo intellectual pride)

    • @austinrothjr
      @austinrothjr 22 дня назад +9

      It’s not even so much a disappointment over that they are disputing but how and what. This whole anon conversation is a complete distraction from real issues. Doug has been accused of having an anon army. I never saw so many so-called Christians spew bile more than when I started following in his circles. Doug sees no need to repudiate his anon supporters, some of whom are guilty in all the way he mentions here. Likewise, I see no need for him to do so. However, he seems to think Joel must do exactly what he has not. I would love to hear a good debate on how they differ in their understanding of Israel, ethnicity, and nation. It seems all we’re going to get is complaints about anons doing what anons do.

    • @AndersAylward
      @AndersAylward 22 дня назад +4

      @austinrothjr at this point a public debate is likely the only thing that could satisfy those with contempt for the way they've behaved. If you're going to air out your dirty laundry in public, you need to own up to it in public, and not just through videos and tweets

  • @austinrothjr
    @austinrothjr 22 дня назад +19

    I wonder if Doug actually listened to the whole episode or if he just took the clip from the UNSUPERVISED WOMAN TWEETING account and ran with it? I find myself caught between two men I like and respect so I have to listen to everything they say about each other right now to get the full picture. Though I’m generally closer to Doug theologically it seems like Joel is actually approaching this whole thing in a more serious way. I think there are substantive differences that go beyond anons that I’d love to hear more about but all the ink in Moscow is being spilled on anons and neo-Nazis. I had no idea there was such a problem until November. Maybe it’s because I don’t have Twitter.

  • @philipmurray9796
    @philipmurray9796 22 дня назад +47

    Im against nazi anon accounts and thinking the jews are behind every nefarious deed ... but also against putting forth a declaration with Tobias name on it after his lying and slander against Joel. Where does that put me?

    • @YTTraveler777
      @YTTraveler777 22 дня назад +4

      It puts you wrong. Tobias did not slander. Webbon has lived up to every concern we had/ have.

    • @philipmurray9796
      @philipmurray9796 22 дня назад

      @YTTraveler777 it is documented that Tobias has slandered. Unless he can prove his claims that there is a prevalence of Holocaust denialism in Joel's church. Where was the study and poll done of the church congregation? Let's see the proof?

    • @michaellautermilch9185
      @michaellautermilch9185 22 дня назад +19

      Tobias shared a private text message with the whole world, for the purpose of shaming someone into repentance without first talking about the private sin privately. He had alternatives, such as replying directly to the text in question. It seems fairly clear to me that this was not correctly handled by Tobias.

    • @quinnpeterson2716
      @quinnpeterson2716 22 дня назад +22

      @@michaellautermilch9185 amen. Not to mention, when you go listen to the entire zoom call, it ends with Joel and his member clearing up any misunderstandings and asking if there is anything more Tobias would like to see. He says no and they wish each other the best. That’s the last thing said before Tobias does his American debut podcast trying to ruin Joel’s career over that same call. Pretty weasel like.

    • @topkapi9351
      @topkapi9351 22 дня назад

      @@philipmurray9796 depending on who you ask... hell. It puts you in front of the gates of hell with an Admission One ticket in your hand.

  • @michaellautermilch9185
    @michaellautermilch9185 22 дня назад +50

    All perfectly biblical content, except continuing the internal wars isn't great. Also theres no way you could listen to the full Right Response podcast and conclude Joel was giving the unbibilcal anons a free pass. Clips out of context.

    • @joeadrian2860
      @joeadrian2860 21 день назад +2

      Well then that blame must go to the "Unsupervised Woman Tweeting" who has been know to engage in slander in my estimation pertaining to Joel. I didn't like it and got Blocked for my, perhaps a bit to harsh tweeting against her (I probably shouldn't have used the pun 'brainless') and would apologize for the unnecessary name calling.

    • @TheNooch24
      @TheNooch24 5 дней назад

      False teaching (like Joel did in that video) ought to be corrected publicly. "Internal wars" are neccesary when people are peddling false teaching publicly. Besides, Joel was only trying to cover for the fact he got caught inciting his followers to create anon accounts to attack other reformed pastors he didn't agree with.

  • @nando7522
    @nando7522 22 дня назад +10

    Of all the anons, the kind Pastor Doug and the rest wants people to disavow (what a gay word that has become) none of them have ever been as bad for my soul (not at all actually) as DW, JW and Apologia with the way they have handled this. What a shame.
    We're not supposed to take the bait Pastor Wilson and you're not supposed to be the one rigging the hook.

  • @topkapi9351
    @topkapi9351 23 дня назад +73

    Doug, I hope you listened to the whole episode that those clips came from, and not just the clips. Those clips do not show the whole context of what Joel said or his condemnation of vile behavior by some of the anons, *which appear elsewhere in the episode.*
    As someone who I'm sure has been maliciously taken out of context before, I hope you are not helping to perpetuate that same offense here. That said, I have my doubts, seeing as little consideration seems to be given to the condemnation that Joel gave elsewhere in the episode.
    Also, probably not wise to take clips from someone with the user name/handle "Unsupervised Woman Tweeting," - with a name like that, there's surely no way they're a good faith actor in this situation.
    Post Script:
    It's also a little disappointing that you either 1) are not aware that Joel *helped* Spurgeon craft his statement or 2) chose to not acknowledge it. I hope it's only the former and not the latter, because if it's the latter, that doesn't seem very brotherly.

    • @ExNihiloComesNothing
      @ExNihiloComesNothing 22 дня назад +13

      Doug is having a moment here and your thought out response is getting in the way

    • @darthbigred22
      @darthbigred22 22 дня назад +3

      Buddy I think this is why we are all learning why we'd never heard of Doug Wilson before we really got involved and why randos know who Joel Webbon is.
      One is trying to fight a war against pagans and the other wants to appear they are fighting a war.

    • @Nobodyofimportance2u
      @Nobodyofimportance2u 22 дня назад +1

      Spot on ​@@darthbigred22

    • @ratchet-z3d
      @ratchet-z3d 22 дня назад +2

      Well Doug is also not a good faith actor, so it all works out for him

    • @TheNooch24
      @TheNooch24 5 дней назад

      He gave a green light to people creating anonymous accounts to mock a reformed pastor off of X. That is "vile behavior". You are grasping at straws. Webbon has disqualified himself.

  • @michaelclark2458
    @michaelclark2458 23 дня назад +36

    You make valid points about anon accounts getting to vile and outrageous. And I get you sit opposite Webbon, Conn, etc. I get that you think they are soft on nazis and then think you are soft the other way. I personally advocate every believer gets off of all socialist media.
    However I fail to understand why you have not rebuked publicly Tobias for starting this whole controversy. And call for him and Joel to hash out their differences. Perhaps you could moderate it.
    It seems to me the only ones winning here are anon accounts you repudiate, and the secular world seeing much infighting inside of Christendom.

    • @arcanum3882
      @arcanum3882 22 дня назад +2

      Doesn’t need to be even “moderated” and public, should just be mediated

    • @michaellautermilch9185
      @michaellautermilch9185 22 дня назад +1

      It's public at this point though

    • @michaelclark2458
      @michaelclark2458 22 дня назад +4

      @@arcanum3882 it should of been private. It should have never went public. You are right about that. Tobias made it public. And his friends DW, JD, JW have made it a very public issue now. This video is even linked to it. It would be best to publicly hash it out. No more he said, she said.

    • @RebekkaMH13
      @RebekkaMH13 22 дня назад

      ​@@michaelclark2458 Tobias mentioned that hatred of Jews for being born Jews was creeping into reformed camps. When asked, he generally named some names and broad circles where it was happening. (Which we all were able to see even before he said anything. Thanks, white boy summer video.) Joel Webbon is the one who made personal and private things public. If I'm wrong, here, I'd really appreciate a video name + time stamp where I can look it up for myself.

  • @MrTimoteo1981
    @MrTimoteo1981 22 дня назад +15

    I've purchased over 20 books from Canon Press over the past few years, and I've learned a lot from Doug and the content Canon puts out. I've also been a Blog & Mablog subscriber for over five years. This feud has gotten so ridiculous that I've unsubscribed and I'm walking away until they can sort this out. I have little children at home who can reconcile more quickly and then just let it go. Lead us by example in this situation and work it out. Please. Many of us have looked up to your ministry and have shared your videos, books, and blog posts over the years and now you're making us feel embarrassed by all of this. Just reconcile and move on already.

    • @TheNooch24
      @TheNooch24 5 дней назад

      Public false teaching being corrected isn't the same as reconciliation between two brothers with disagreements. It isn't an issue of a "feud" or "letting it go". Equating the two is utterly unbiblical.

    • @MrTimoteo1981
      @MrTimoteo1981 4 дня назад

      @@TheNooch24 Public false teaching? Are you serious? This whole thing is about a difference in political strategy and Doug's leading the divisiveness. Have you listened to the 3.5 hour long episode that the Ogden guys put out? They traveled to Moscow to meet with Doug and others, and they reported that since they do not align with Doug's political strategy that Doug will not retract his statement about them being inept pastors. Please enlighten me on this public false teaching you speak of. I've been following this very closely and it's not what you say.

    • @TheNooch24
      @TheNooch24 3 дня назад

      @@MrTimoteo1981 Yes, false teaching.
      Instructing people to engage in sin and calling it righteousness is false teaching.
      Instructing people to create anonymous Twitter accounts to mock *Reformed pastors* off of Twitter violates so much of Scripture that to think otherwise mean you either really do not know the Scriptures, or don't care.
      I cannot think of a more appropriate time to use the term "false teaching" than someone leading others to sin and calling it good.

    • @MrTimoteo1981
      @MrTimoteo1981 3 дня назад

      @ Pretty big claims you’re throwing out. Give me the concrete examples. I’ve followed this very closely, and you can’t, because they don’t exist. Doug has been the divisive one. Watch the response from the Ogden guys where they give specific and concrete receipts. DW can’t do this. He speaks in generalities while implementing the poison gas fallacy…kind of like what you’re doing. So I ask again, where is your concrete evidence?

    • @TheNooch24
      @TheNooch24 3 дня назад

      @@MrTimoteo1981 Did you read my comment? I gave you the exact thing I am talking about. That is a concrete example of what Webbon recently did. Please don't respond until you read my comment and actually respond to what I said.

  • @sterlinggeorge205
    @sterlinggeorge205 21 день назад +17

    so according to uncle doug, joel must personally shepherd every single anon on x that happens to agree with us on anything, but at the same time he must positively renounce them and get them cancelled. seems reasonable.

  • @masonmcelroy8125
    @masonmcelroy8125 22 дня назад +37

    I am not a Joel Webbon fan, in fact I didn't even know who he was before this controversy. However, this is NOT going to go away until you address the apparent slander and lies told by Tobias. If you do not believe he DID slander Joel, you need to come out and say it. If you DO think he slandered Joel then WHY is he one of the "collaborators" on the Antioch declaration?

    • @austinrothjr
      @austinrothjr 22 дня назад

      He has explicitly come out and said he doesn’t think Tobias slandered Joel. It was post on Blog and Mablog a couple weeks ago but I don’t think it was recorded on audio/video.

    • @spartakos3178
      @spartakos3178 22 дня назад +1

      Bearing false witness (Holocaust denial, which is an objective and obvious lie) is a damnable sin, and like any other needs to be repented of.

    • @ExNihiloComesNothing
      @ExNihiloComesNothing 22 дня назад +4

      @@spartakos3178thanks Tobias alt

    • @RebekkaMH13
      @RebekkaMH13 22 дня назад

      Which slander and lies was he charged with?

    • @MansterBear
      @MansterBear 22 дня назад

      @@spartakos3178 Does that go for all mainstream narrative history accounts? What if you deny the moon landing? Or climate change? Or that America founded on and continues on systematic racism?
      If a lie = doubting or outright denying the currently accepted version of history then you’re about to create a bunch of sins. In fact, that’s pretty much what we went thru in real time about 4 years ago with a certain flu season…

  • @justinwiebe2459
    @justinwiebe2459 22 дня назад +40

    Pastor Wilosn, they weren't responding to you in that video. They were responding to Pastor Durbin's assumptions about anons

    • @justinwiebe2459
      @justinwiebe2459 22 дня назад +6

      It sounds like you and Joel agree that anons can be great or terrible

    • @carlosbrown6208
      @carlosbrown6208 22 дня назад +2

      They seem to disagree on the distribution of great and terrible anons

    • @justinwiebe2459
      @justinwiebe2459 22 дня назад +4

      @@carlosbrown6208 Except didn't Pastor Wilson start out the video with "a small minority"?

    • @carlosbrown6208
      @carlosbrown6208 22 дня назад

      ​@@justinwiebe2459 I come to that conclusion because one side thinks this is a major problem and the other doesn't. Even if they agree that those categories exist, they obviously don't agree on the degree to which those categories are distributed.

    • @carlosbrown6208
      @carlosbrown6208 17 дней назад

      @@justinwiebe2459 I'm not sure what the disconnect is here but it doesn't appear that Joel thinks there is any problem with the anons whereas Wilson sees a strong minority, enough to say there may be a problem at a deeper level. What percent of muslims are terrorists vs what percent of terrorists are muslim kinda thing.

  • @tycer9754
    @tycer9754 22 дня назад +47

    Moral of the story: spend less time on social media.

    • @camthejock
      @camthejock 22 дня назад +2

      literately lol

    • @Yesica1993
      @Yesica1993 22 дня назад

      Except online stuff eventually does bleed into real life.

  • @EthanSnyder-zk5ov
    @EthanSnyder-zk5ov 22 дня назад +17

    So what exactly is Doug hoping to accomplish? The Anons don't care that you keep making videos like this saying "hey you shouldn't be saying this stuff." They don't care Doug. Just block the accounts that bother you and move on. It's the Internet, you're not going to convince trolls to play nice.

    • @peterholland5517
      @peterholland5517 22 дня назад +4

      Someone needs to teach Doug about Dead Internet...some anons are good, some are bad, most are bots

    • @EthanSnyder-zk5ov
      @EthanSnyder-zk5ov 22 дня назад +6

      @peterholland5517 Doug also seems to operate on the assumption these anon accounts are all young reformed men in the church. In reality the vast majority are random trolls who could care less about the church much less are part of it.

  • @Nobodyofimportance2u
    @Nobodyofimportance2u 22 дня назад +29

    Is Doug a pastor or a youtuber? Right now he looks like he is bad at both

    • @jessetoler8171
      @jessetoler8171 22 дня назад +5

      Yea, these disputes aren't helping anyne.

    • @samgott8689
      @samgott8689 21 день назад +4

      Psst: it looks that way because it is that way

    • @EarlSimmons-f2n
      @EarlSimmons-f2n 20 дней назад

      Always been a bad pastor, a plagiarist, and a slavery apologist.

  • @Connnacht
    @Connnacht 22 дня назад +10

    "DO YOU DISAVOW?"
    Sounds familiar...

  • @heresyhunters
    @heresyhunters 22 дня назад +18

    Eventually Doug will realize this drama is getting him nowhere. By then it will be too late.

  • @KevinVanGelder
    @KevinVanGelder 22 дня назад +32

    The thing that is disturbing is your handling of this entire situation.

  • @luftstanza
    @luftstanza 22 дня назад +9

    I can’t finish this. So much bloviating and gaseous noise coming from this spat.

  • @skillz8363
    @skillz8363 17 дней назад +8

    I like Joel Webbon and Doug Wilson

  • @kpope7007
    @kpope7007 22 дня назад +24

    i have no interest in these videos. Please for the love of Christ and His church, take this off line. Leave your offering at the door and be reconciled to your brother. Most anon responses will stop at that point. Since you are the elder I beseech you to make the first move humbly. Many are calling, begging, praying for this. cast ego and pride aside. It’s not cute,clever, or funny. Praying for you Doug.

  • @777enc
    @777enc 23 дня назад +98

    I’m a member of Canon+. I purchased many books from Canon Press. I’m really disappointed by the way both sides are handling this. At what point are you guys going to meet each other in person and talk it out like Christian men. Both sides are acting like a couple of 14 year-old girls. This is disappointing.

    • @lkae4
      @lkae4 23 дня назад

      Yeah, so disappointing. Maybe American Protestantism deserves to go away because I see no real leaders.

    • @mrich21087
      @mrich21087 23 дня назад +35

      Who started all of this? It wasn’t Joel.

    • @HusGoose
      @HusGoose 23 дня назад

      @@mrich21087 it was/is Joel. His regular posts about Israel and discourse with Isker were the signal for blue haired red eyed Anons.
      If you think this is about the German pastor and the meme, the issue isn’t the issue and you don’t know what is going on.

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +10

      I agree. Most of us don't care about these disputes. They seem silly to me. Why not just ignore when people say things that we don't like? It's just part of life.

    • @lkae4
      @lkae4 22 дня назад +5

      @@nerychristian I know a guy who is so angry at all the CN Christians he thinks are tolerating racist comments without joining his activist. He accused me of being racist because I refuse to join his crusade against CN. I want to ask him if he expects the same of his mother or wife or children. Or do they get a special exemption because they won't be manipulated and will absolutely call him out for his nonsense behavior.

  • @brohooseurdaddy9522
    @brohooseurdaddy9522 21 день назад +7

    Big things are happening in our culture at the moment and yet we are talking about anon accounts. Respectable people are losing the plot IMO.

  • @AngryChiropractor
    @AngryChiropractor 22 дня назад +14

    Didnt all of this start because one of Webbon's church members shared a holocaust meme? And havent you already claimed in the previous video that alot of this is for show, because Hegseth is a member of your Synod? This is ridiculous and does not bring glory to Christ, or unity among bretheren.
    If he had shared a meme about Ghengis Khan, or even the Armenian genocide, i HIGHLY doubt there would be this much showboating and grandstanding, if any. Calling attention to something as benign as a meme (albeit, one probably in poor taste. I havent seen it.) has caused a malignant situation, and given a platform to these same anons. Its also heaping fuel on the fire, because the obvious over-reaction is making it look like they are right, at least in their own eyes.
    Arguing with people on the internet has almost never resulted in a change of mind of the parties engaged in argument; however, arguments between parties HAVE influenced the people who come and read the comments, and right now you are playing into your opponent's hands.
    We are all either gate-keepers or pipe-lines of our online shared opinions.
    You look like youre intentionally grand standing for click, likes, comments and those sweet dopamine hits at this point. And mayyyybe to have something to point back to when the Neo-Libs try to accuse the Reffies of being mean to jews.
    All of you need to meet in person, without cameras and a live stream, and find unity.

  • @Nick-ex1qn
    @Nick-ex1qn 22 дня назад +10

    What happened to No Enemies On The Right?

  • @harrisonmoore6346
    @harrisonmoore6346 22 дня назад +11

    Can yall meet and work this out already

  • @JuanInATrillion
    @JuanInATrillion 23 дня назад +54

    Moscow is losing its mood…..

    • @mrich21087
      @mrich21087 23 дня назад +1

      Gaining Prissy Boomer Status or PMS

    • @darthbigred22
      @darthbigred22 22 дня назад

      He lost me when he said he envied jews.
      My God maybe it's I don't respect any rich man who didn't get there by some great invention or war winning. Just making smut or usury is hardly something to brag about.

  • @danielnoel3540
    @danielnoel3540 22 дня назад +13

    The comments about Webbon are really disappointing and not made in good faith. You hold him responsible for the behavior of foolish anons despite his condemnation of them while simultaneously assuming that you can be absolved of any responsibility you may have for foolish anons supporting you. This approach is not helpful. Sit down and have a man to man chat with Webbon. Arguing through blog posts and RUclips videos does far more harm than good.

  • @asherfong6906
    @asherfong6906 23 дня назад +36

    This is pure, unadulterated anon fuel

  • @lkae4
    @lkae4 23 дня назад +35

    This is not reasoning. This is a personal quarrel. No matter how clear you think you're explaining it, many, as shown in the comments, will continue to see it as nothing more than a personal quarrel until the quarrel is resolved. So please stop trying to reason it.

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +8

      Exactly. At this point it just sounds like a man who is trying to sound intelligent while talking bad about the other party

    • @anitasmith203
      @anitasmith203 22 дня назад +1

      ​@@nerychristian you mean Webbon?

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +2

      @@anitasmith203 I mean anyone who feels the need to go back and forth at each other online. If Doug was a true believer he would just call him and try to settle the matter privately. And if he can't settle the matter, just let it be. I can guarantee most people don't care about this dispute

    • @RebekkaMH13
      @RebekkaMH13 22 дня назад +1

      ​@@nerychristian "If Doug was a true believer"?

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад

      @@RebekkaMH13 It's an expression. Kind of like when women say "If you were a real man you'd pay for my meal". Even though we know that a man is a man whether he pays for a meal or not.

  • @Rollravens
    @Rollravens 22 дня назад +11

    I can think of fews things as disheartening as what all the men involved in this dispute have put on display over the past few months.
    We have read your books. In fact you inspired us to write our own. Only to discover it appears your content was not about building up writers and creators for future generations, it was aimed at your personal success and influence.
    We've traveled to your conferences where you exhorted us to put aside pride to be quick to repentance. Only to discover you refuse to follow your own exhortations, and its shameful.
    Building Christian burrows is useless if we position them as watch towers against other burrows.
    Humble yourselves lest you be humbled

    • @YayGrr1
      @YayGrr1 21 день назад +3

      Amen, brother.

  • @paulkurtz8136
    @paulkurtz8136 22 дня назад +4

    It seems to me that both sides are bringing reproach on the name of Christ by carrying on this fight so publicly. What really hurts is that the side I would have expected to be more mature appears to be the side that is most in the wrong. Please, get together and work this out. If that can't be done, then please seek a neutral thrid party to adjudicate the issue.

  • @ejmproductions8198
    @ejmproductions8198 20 дней назад +5

    This guy does not value clear language, does he? Being creative and artsy with the English language makes 50 % of the message go missing

  • @banemaler
    @banemaler 23 дня назад +12

    "Please disavow the peanut gallery."
    Where have I seen this play before?

  • @ThereforeGo
    @ThereforeGo 22 дня назад +7

    I’m anonymous on x because I have been fired from a job before for being outspoken against abortion. However, I don’t use it ever to just troll my brothers in Christ.

    • @ratchet-z3d
      @ratchet-z3d 22 дня назад

      Well in deranged Boomerville ALL Anons are nazi incels in their mother's basement, so too bad for you. Doug is incapable of seeing how he is no better than the left and is employing all their tactics.

  • @bruisedbanana1787
    @bruisedbanana1787 21 день назад +6

    You are acting like a liberal. Trying to force Joel Webbon in line by having him name 5 unbiblical anons. Lose the pride.

  • @f4g1980
    @f4g1980 23 дня назад +63

    They didn’t start the fight. Doug should have told Tobias to stop gossiping. Now he just sounds pissy.

    • @f4g1980
      @f4g1980 23 дня назад +2

      @03:30 the titles and podcasts should be titled ‘malevolent anons’ and not blanket statements.

    • @takebackthechurch
      @takebackthechurch 23 дня назад +12

      What's this have to do with Tobias at all? Is actually commenting on the content of the video too hard?

    • @f4g1980
      @f4g1980 23 дня назад +8

      @@takebackthechurch that is the inception

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +5

      Doug should just be a man and get over it. You can't please everyone. No matter how careful you are in what you say, there will always be someone who gets offended or distorts your argument. Just get over it and move on. At this point it just sounds like intellectual pride.

    • @HartyBiker
      @HartyBiker 22 дня назад

      The way I see it, Joel outed himself and then complained at White and Wilson, spreading lies about him. White and Wilson essentially said that Pastors who won't discipline Nazis need to step down, and Joel said, "hey that's me! Stop lying about me, I am disciplining this Nazi!" Nobody mentioned Webbon's name until Joel himself told everyone that he was being unfairly treated.
      Something about throwing a stone into a pack of dogs and the one that yelps is the one you hit...

  • @Pastor_Grant
    @Pastor_Grant 23 дня назад +18

    I dont understand, AD is on the network still So have you broke fellowship? Doesn't sound like a debate among brothers at this point

    • @HonestlyNow4Real
      @HonestlyNow4Real 22 дня назад +7

      @@Pastor_Grant I agree. Anons are just a side issue when there's this elephant in the room knocking things around and stinking up the joint. Get everyone in the Crosspolitic room and talk it out!

    • @Pastor_Grant
      @Pastor_Grant 22 дня назад +2

      @@HonestlyNow4Real the videos back and forth are not helping, Doug should have never shared the Tobias thing, he should just admit he was wrong or at least reach out, Doug has invited enemies out to wine and them, to chat why not invite brothers Joel and AD out to talk it out?

    • @stryker5573
      @stryker5573 22 дня назад +5

      @@Pastor_Grant I like Doug but please try to find a Boomer that ever walked something back in repentance.

  • @puttervids472
    @puttervids472 22 дня назад +6

    How bad is it that I’m an anonymous account- and I’ve stumbled into this video and have zero idea what the controversy is about. Am I doing the anonymous thing wrong 😂. No memo sent to me.

    • @Yeshuawins
      @Yeshuawins 19 дней назад

      Yup i recently learned I'm probably going to hell for my cowardliness of being anonymous. Been a wild ride

    • @puttervids472
      @puttervids472 19 дней назад +1

      @ I think it’s a matter of peace. I’ve had. Cell phone number attached to my business that public since 1998. Same number. So I know how calls are all hours of the day. If my home address was posted , I’d have to cap a few in the front yard I’m sure. This is me seeking peace while discussing real topics. If someone can’t comment on my opinion , it has nothing to do with my lack of posted address. And let’s face it. That’s what the name no name argument is about. Doxing capabilities. And it’s not fear driven there. It’s just I want to know that the idiot who shows up is a nut , because he had to dig hard. So dealing with the threat will be righteous and easier. Takes plausible deniability away from them. Idea exchange matters not who it’s from.

  • @heisaltogetherlovely7235
    @heisaltogetherlovely7235 22 дня назад +5

    Why are you worried about the dank anons ?

  • @raymond_sycamore
    @raymond_sycamore 23 дня назад +5

    I show my face on everything I do, and good lord dude the HATE is heinous. It's easy to get down about it, especially because ALL the haters go after my appearance first, rather than really anything substantive. But in hindsight I will say it makes for an easy filter. "bald" or "incel" comments go right in the "this is not a serious person" category.

  • @MySaltyFitness
    @MySaltyFitness 20 дней назад +10

    Do y'all read your comments? How is your unsubscribe rate with Canon Press? Open your eyes - these are YOUR people that you are confusing & that are leaving your platform. Not a bunch of wild-eyed extremists.

  • @burrowagency
    @burrowagency 21 день назад +4

    Public mudslinging on social media isn’t a good look, gentlemen. Instead of airing grievances online, handle your quarrel in private (Matthew 18) with your brother in Christ. This behavior (on both sides) is a distraction from the real enemies of the Kingdom. Grow up gentleman.

  • @earth9531
    @earth9531 22 дня назад +3

    @3:53 Sure. We’re all individuals and groups don’t exist and don’t exhibit group behavior and make heavy use of in-group preference. Every. Single. Time.

  • @pborkstrom
    @pborkstrom 23 дня назад +27

    I missed this whole controversy and it looks like things are going sideways.

    • @levi-316
      @levi-316 23 дня назад +8

      I wish there was a quick sum up on this whole thing. I've listened to all the people involved periodically but I still have no idea what this is all about.

    • @HusGoose
      @HusGoose 23 дня назад +1

      No it’s exposing those who are unqualified. Webbon is one. I am in his generation and the arrogance he and others displays is on blast as they try to jockey for their various brands of Christian nationalism.
      And It’s because of how they lead and what they believe we will never get it. It’s simply a graceless gospel free-sacralism.

    • @ahabion
      @ahabion 22 дня назад +2

      Ditto

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +5

      It's basically men getting their feelings hurt, and trying to sound intelligent while they talk bad about the other side

    • @darthbigred22
      @darthbigred22 22 дня назад

      To sum up quickly: Some weirdo German pastor no one heard of before claims that he heard Joel Webbon didn't excommunicate a member from his church over a joke meme. The meme was a little girl asking her mom what the Holocaust was, the mother says "it was the one time the jews had to work and claimed it killed them". Silly 4chan joke, basically Family guy level harmless as the joke is mostly poking fun at jews for not being known for working manual labor jobs.
      Anyways German pastor calls Joel, freaks out on him with some other randos about the meme, because Joel didn't boot the guy who passed the meme around out of his church. Doug Wilson and James white get involved, side with the german pastor, and now here we are. They make some website called "the Antioch Declaration" which wants you to accept the post war WW2 consensus on the Holocaust, or that Judaism isn't uniquely dangerous to Christians, etc. It's strange like Doug doesn't seem to get why people walked away from being pre Mil is because of the noticing or bench sitting of the boomers over that end of the world event they're all sure is tomorrow.
      Anyways this is the end of Joel and Doug.

  • @shannontederoff246
    @shannontederoff246 21 день назад +2

    Grateful for all the mentioned podcasts. I do see this as the free market being the free market. There is only so much time and so many podcasts. Competition is playing a role in these disputes. I think the majority of commenters here would like reconciliation. So many good men that need to respect each other for the Kingdom.

  • @JeromePissard
    @JeromePissard 22 дня назад +6

    Middle schoolers playing the reputation game... and thus, the war went on.
    Can both camp drop this controversy now,l and move on other useful topics, or is it a marketing campaign for all the participants of this feud?

  • @treybarnes5549
    @treybarnes5549 22 дня назад +14

    I’m a teacher and once you lose respect you lost your ability to teach. Pastors have completely lost their ability to pastor

  • @gokupepper
    @gokupepper 22 дня назад +13

    Keep this reformed telenovela going, but Wilson will be the big loser, and perhaps become one of its villains.

    • @ratchet-z3d
      @ratchet-z3d 22 дня назад +6

      He already is the villain. People fleeing from him in droves. As it should be. Christ is purifying His church.

    • @gokupepper
      @gokupepper 22 дня назад +2

      @@ratchet-z3d interesting. Do you have any evidence, even if it's anecdotal?

  • @leegaesswitz181
    @leegaesswitz181 22 дня назад +15

    I hate to see Doug become this person so many of us originally looked up to. He has spiraled downward and won’t live up to the standards he claims to. It’s a shame.

  • @Aletheia828
    @Aletheia828 22 дня назад +3

    Didn’t have to repeat a cuss word to get your point across.

  • @stevenboyd593
    @stevenboyd593 22 дня назад +4

    "if you really want to foul things up get a computer involved"

  • @joshuakarr-BibleMan
    @joshuakarr-BibleMan 21 день назад +1

    6:24
    I noticed in the clip, his presupposition is the irredeemability of those who oppose his position.
    I'm guessing his position isnon the right, since he wants to push the others to the bluesky cesspit.
    It's hard to wash my hands of unbelievers. Sometimes I have to kick their dust off my feet, but even then I have to pray for them later.

  • @ryanmckenzie3627
    @ryanmckenzie3627 22 дня назад +6

    I love Doug, but I wish you would calmly work this out. I don't think I can add anything that hasn't been said, except maybe that there are plenty the godless who are happy right now.

  • @samknobeloch503
    @samknobeloch503 20 дней назад +1

    Doug, I appreciate you actually naming who you are talking about this time. Please continue to do this, for the sake of your audience. We need the clarity of knowing who you are talking about when you are saying what, so we can observe an judge for ourselves if your criticism is just.

  • @God1stFoundation
    @God1stFoundation 22 дня назад +6

    Leave it reformed Christians to battle each other. Semantics, Theological pissing contests. Just stop. You weary the lay.

  • @JosephMorrison-q3u
    @JosephMorrison-q3u 22 дня назад +6

    Wow. This kind of suck because these are the only 2 Christian channels I watch. I hope they work it out

  • @grant7586
    @grant7586 22 дня назад +5

    Both sides need to get off the Internet and act like men ....
    1 Timothy 5:13-16
    Those widows who go around from house to house as busybodies are only learning to be lazy, making their situation even worse by talking too much, gossiping, and speaking things they shouldn't. They become far too obsessed with empty things that will not bear good fruit.

  • @HOKSevin
    @HOKSevin 20 дней назад +2

    This is as embarrassing and cringe as two drunk brothers fighting at a family reunion. I'm fully expecting a sloppy makeup hug at some point.🤦🤦🤦 Can't take these guys seriously anymore smh

  • @theproclaimer588
    @theproclaimer588 22 дня назад +4

    Yes it’s troubling, but why are you guys continuing to go to war on social media? I see this your way (mostly) but why keep responding? It’s getting demoralizing for many good brothers. That goes for Webbon and Wolfe and White too. This is starting to sully your reputation.

  • @givenjoy512
    @givenjoy512 22 дня назад +3

    Vast majority of these remarks is negative toward perpetuating the postmil family feud.

  • @joshualister8362
    @joshualister8362 22 дня назад +2

    Lets see what's going on with Moscow...Oh they are still shooting at the other Reformed guys I like. Can you guys just debate the issue in person and then be friends? I saw White and Wilson do this on an occasion or two.

  • @Rhinopkc
    @Rhinopkc 20 дней назад +1

    Can someone please point to the mockery in the Bible that was utilized by an anonymous person? There may be biblical examples of mockery, but none of them are done by someone who is not putting their life on the line.

  • @jessetoler8171
    @jessetoler8171 22 дня назад +5

    Wait, so anonymity is ok as long as Doug Wilson agrees with it?

  • @Fillahsofee101
    @Fillahsofee101 22 дня назад +7

    So what you're saying is that you can dish it, but not take it?

  • @timzimlich1301
    @timzimlich1301 5 дней назад

    Here's a list of the most prominent Founding Fathers that wrote under pseudonyms during the Revolutionary War: Thomas Paine, John Dickinson, Alexander Hamilton, Arthur Lee, John Jay, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison

  • @PhuManchew
    @PhuManchew 22 дня назад +2

    I am out of the loop on this. What is going on?

  • @jeffkerr6098
    @jeffkerr6098 23 дня назад +23

    Boomers can't handle anon comments on the internet.

    • @HonestlyNow4Real
      @HonestlyNow4Real 23 дня назад

      Some anons are boomers... 😂

    • @theMolluskMan
      @theMolluskMan 23 дня назад +1

      "Muh first amendment!"
      *someone exercises free speech to criticize Israel and question the holocoaster*
      "Noooo, not like that!!!"

    • @JoesWebPresence
      @JoesWebPresence 23 дня назад

      Most of us get the whole 'us and them' thing from an early age. When we develop moral preferances in defining good and bad, we make progress. The average twelve year old couldn't explain game theory, but most of us are already observing its principles by that stage in our lives. When we incorporate empathy, putting ourselves in others' shoes and trying to understand how they came to believe what they do, we make another leap forward. Accepting that people on the other side can be well meaning and sincere is a real watershed moment. So too is realising that people who are on our side can be bloody-minded assenine pot stirrers, especially when they are right!
      Anons get to be vile anons because they are anons, and there can't be many anons who aren't prepared to be vile when the only reason for being an anon is to have the capacity to be vile. They are all equipped for vile anonimity. Accountability keeps things civil, and I console myself with the knowledge that God knows who spouted that vitreol and what were the motives of their hearts.
      I've never read anything profound and moving from an anon either. They usually have a point, but often it's a miserly, judgemental or pedantic point which they might feel ashamed to publicly admit to. Matthew 7:2 tells us that by what measure we judge, we shall also be judged, and anons would do well to meditate on this, before they find themselves before the throne of judgement on the last day, being ruthlessly demolished in their own dry, witty style, and when they ask who it is that judges them, all they'll see is a username . . . JC_anon777 followed by a row of LOL smileys and a devil emoji.

    • @buckaroobonsaitree7488
      @buckaroobonsaitree7488 22 дня назад

      ​@@JoesWebPresenceCool story bro, so what's your full name?

    • @lj5116
      @lj5116 20 дней назад

      They never could

  • @Donotreplytothis
    @Donotreplytothis 22 дня назад +13

    Doug is fantastic, a huge part of bringing our family to Christ.
    This is a great vlog.
    However, it is just more mud on the carpet.
    Can these Christian men just talk to each other...

    • @YTTraveler777
      @YTTraveler777 22 дня назад +1

      Have you listened to Joel Webbon or Eric Conn or Andrew Isker for that matter? These men are unreasonable. They bought into some Bronze Age Masculinity propaganda and their entire world view is now marked by it. Part of the Bronze Age strategy is to simply mock those who disagree with you. They are getting this from an author. Look it up.

    • @darthbigred22
      @darthbigred22 22 дня назад

      I think deep down the real issue is he knows he's not leading the charge and can't so all he can do is sling mud because he's envious.

    • @Donotreplytothis
      @Donotreplytothis 22 дня назад

      @darthbigred22 that is a concern, I hope it isnt the case.

  • @christopherlincoln7819
    @christopherlincoln7819 22 дня назад +4

    Doug you've started a fire that you can't stop. You where wrong and now you've got guys that are wrong attacking. Just admit you where wrong, show them how

  • @KildaltonTheologicalStudies
    @KildaltonTheologicalStudies 23 дня назад +20

    Doesn’t all of this seem a bit childish? Can’t we just grow up and redeem the time rather than wasting it with this nonsense? (Ephesians 5: 16)

    • @chrisgood2go
      @chrisgood2go 23 дня назад +1

      Isn't this whole video necessarily doing that very thing.

    • @KildaltonTheologicalStudies
      @KildaltonTheologicalStudies 22 дня назад

      @@chrisgood2goyep. Most of these pastors would do themselves and the church a favor if they got off social media.

    • @KildaltonTheologicalStudies
      @KildaltonTheologicalStudies 22 дня назад

      @@chrisgood2go Well... it may also just fuel the fire as there is a certain voyeur aspect to the watching online videos of pastors making fools of themselves, "Ooooh, what did he say NOW?" Then they say, "I wonder how so-in-so is going to respond..." and the drama just goes on and on and on. Meanwhile, the videos get views and clicks and their channels gain subscribers which only encourages this sort of behavior. I've unsubscribed from all of these people. HaVe a MeRry ChRiStMaS! 🎄

  • @charlesco7413
    @charlesco7413 21 день назад

    I think that "mockery" sounds like it jests through the air faster than the speed of sound thinking, thus breaking a few moral barriers as it putters-out and losses interest.

  • @nothin2pruv
    @nothin2pruv 23 дня назад +24

    Christ prayed that His Church be one. This video isn't exactly in keeping with that. Do you really think that because Joel openly disagrees with your positions in nuanced ways that such an adversarial posturing and putting upon him of the consequences of all anons that associate themselves with him as someone who has publicly open arms to them is appropriate? You've had similar positions for child rapists. Which seems a particularly useful example for asking is this not favoritism? It just feels like this line is beneath you, and his snide loose association with the filthy right is certainly no worse than yours with neoconservative theology.

    • @Yesica1993
      @Yesica1993 23 дня назад +2

      "Christ prayed that His Church be one. This video isn't exactly in keeping with that. "
      I do not wish to "be one" with people making or defending / excusing racial hatred, Jew hatred, and making open death threats.
      This is not complicated. Stop pretending that it is.

    • @Postmill90
      @Postmill90 23 дня назад +14

      @@Yesica1993What are you talking about? Joel doesn’t hate Jews. Put down the left behind series and read your Bible again.

    • @nothin2pruv
      @nothin2pruv 23 дня назад +7

      ​@@Yesica1993 That's not even what I said. Death threats? Where was that even mentioned in the greater discussion let alone this video? As for the other two, also not even the topic, but I do think I understand why you responded now. Just as a matter of emotional priority and how you read into my response. In any case you don't get to decide who the Church is, and the next time you consider that you're a sinner saved by grace ask yourself if the sins you hate most for personal reasons are the unpardonable sins or if maybe you should repent of your hypocrisy.

    • @mileshall9235
      @mileshall9235 23 дня назад

      Did you intend this as copypasta 😅😅😅

    • @Yesica1993
      @Yesica1993 23 дня назад

      ​@@nothin2pruv It's right at 8:04. You'd know that if you'd bothered to watch the video.
      You're the one that needs to repent. Do not speak to me again.

  • @slimpickens0000
    @slimpickens0000 23 дня назад +3

    “Unsupervised woman tweeting.”
    Sounds like a winner..probably Blake Callens anon acct.

  • @micachi1693
    @micachi1693 23 дня назад +30

    This is how you get more of what you're complaining about. Boomers gonna boom.

    • @mileshall9235
      @mileshall9235 23 дня назад +6

      Joel is as cringe as they come. Every bit of his persona screams "curation of image....PLEASE repec'me!" 😅
      And yeah, unless your life, physical safety, or ability to provide are at stake, anon posting is garbage.

    • @tategarrett3042
      @tategarrett3042 23 дня назад

      >what intelligent critique of the Doug do we have here?
      >"boomer, dumb"
      >nice

    • @ctvtmo
      @ctvtmo 23 дня назад +4

      And children are going to act like children.
      Sometimes the adults have to speak up.

    • @Yesica1993
      @Yesica1993 23 дня назад +1

      Bigots gonna bigot.

    • @nerychristian
      @nerychristian 22 дня назад +5

      All of this could have been avoided if Doug just ignored the people who talked bad about him. He seems overly sensitive about these things

  • @ikantspell
    @ikantspell 20 дней назад +1

    Christendom 2.0 off to a riveting start lol 😂.
    Gotta build the plane before you guys can get it in the air, and you can’t even agree on what color you want your plane to be. lol 😂

  • @karlmadsen3179
    @karlmadsen3179 23 дня назад +9

    I want to like this guy, but he tries so hard to be so cute and witty in his criticisms of, well, everyone, it just gets boring. Maybe annoying, too.

    • @pmbcdirector1489
      @pmbcdirector1489 23 дня назад +1

      Could just be how he thinks and his personality, over and above trying.

  • @brentheltonj6308
    @brentheltonj6308 22 дня назад +2

    Oh man I don’t have enough time time to make anon accounts

  • @TheNooch24
    @TheNooch24 5 дней назад

    Everyone trying to reframe this as "perpetuating infighting" or "just let it go". Nah, Doug is correcting public false teaching. Webbon has disqualified himself already, this is just a nail in the coffin.

  • @NKBC1689
    @NKBC1689 23 дня назад +6

    JERRY JERRY JERRY.
    I jest but i hope all this gets cleared up soon

  • @redbearwarrior4859
    @redbearwarrior4859 21 день назад

    I'm a Messianic Jew who affirms the five Solas and TULIP. Thank you Pastor Doug. I wonder how many of these anons can say with Shaul "In regard to the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but in regard to election they are dearly loved for the sake of the fathers."Rom11:28? 🤔 The Jews are according to election much loved!

  • @fnfjedi
    @fnfjedi 8 дней назад

    I guess what I find so disheartening about the whole thing is when I ask a question of these fellows on X, often including scripture that appears to (by my limited comprehension) support my current understanding of the issue, all I get in response is some variation of "just shut up and go away, you Star Wars loving heretic!"

  • @joyfulhelpmeet
    @joyfulhelpmeet 21 день назад +1

    Excellently done!!

  • @PerrinAybara1619
    @PerrinAybara1619 22 дня назад +5

    When I read these comments I know I'm in the right place watching both Doug and Joel because I can see a community of peacemakers.
    Hope y'all can resolve this issue because it really is ridiculous. I love what both of you do and you should appreciate the other's unique talents and differences as well.

  • @Clarkjacksonfitness
    @Clarkjacksonfitness 12 дней назад +1

    Moscow seems irredeemable

  • @ElizabethPD24
    @ElizabethPD24 21 день назад +1

    With all due respect, I don’t think Pastor Doug Wilson is NOT necessarily wrong. Nor is Pastor Webbon ,I do think people who are being just hateful and saying things that are completely not Christian or wicked are not good. But the truth is there some serious discussions that real Christians are having about Zionism and the manipulation that this movement has done on the church and the name of them being chosen, and we can’t say anything against them. There’s also some serious discussion on what Judaism teaches now and it is not really about the historical law Moses and what ancient Israelites were practicing when they were following God. I think that this needs to be discussed in a very serious way that has nothing to do with ethnicity. This has to do with a Zionist movement that has nothing to do with people who are born Jewish or Ashkenazi or whatever. And a real discussion about how the majority of people who are behind, very perverted and very immoral things happen to be wealthy Zionist billionaires who are either atheist or practicing Judaism. The discussion about there being an underlining hatred of Christ and Christians in modern day Judaism needs to be discussed and a lot of people in the faith don’t understand this and are blindsided by it. This has nothing to do with Nazis and hatred and ethnicity baiting and etc.. I know plenty of Christians, whose ethnic heritage is Jewish whether that was because their ancestors converted to Judaism or because they are ethnically Jewish (southern kingdom) or Israeli (northern kingdom). The whole ethnicity thing needs to be taken off the table and we need to discuss how the nation of Israel (modern Israel) manipulates the military industrial complex for its benefit in our country and the Talmud (which Jesus called the traditions of the elders )underhandedly does not like Christians just like Muslims are hostile to Christians. Modern Judaism is the only religion that says something completely hostile and hateful about Jesus and Mary. Islam and other religions are not for Christ and do not see him as the savior of the world and do persecute Christians and are hostile in many nations, but their religious text is not explicitly say evil things about Jesus or blasphemous things.
    I think the church needs to wake up that modern Israel is not the same as the ancient southern kingdom of Judah and the northern kingdom of Israel. ( well maybe morally similar but so is America so that would be the pot calling the kettle black)
    I say all of this as someone who is friends with and knows people who are Jewish ethnically and I have nothing to do with any of this. I also think Hitler was an evil occultist and any comments or people promoting ethnic hatred are not demonstrating godly character, or Christian morals.

  • @LampWaters
    @LampWaters 20 дней назад

    I just hope the whole foolishness cause ppl to discern

  • @jjjjjjjjj323
    @jjjjjjjjj323 22 дня назад +3

    I’d just like to take a moment to say that Eric is a great guy. That is all.

  • @Utjb27
    @Utjb27 23 дня назад +13

    Most (not all) anons in these examples are hilarious 🤣

  • @LucaEickhoff
    @LucaEickhoff 22 дня назад

    I appreciate this comment, and it’s a shame it has to be said or that it’s even up for debate.

  • @CA_Watchman
    @CA_Watchman 22 дня назад +1

    I have no idea what he’s talking about, it’s all ‘church’ politics, which actually shouldn’t be a thing. What kind of worldly circles are these?

  • @CorlosMazda
    @CorlosMazda 20 дней назад

    This is deeply concerning

  • @Sososhal
    @Sososhal 6 дней назад

    Doug, with all due respect, take your meds.

  • @ayo-samurai
    @ayo-samurai 23 дня назад +3

    If you would give proper treatment to biblical polygyny then these guys would have better things to do.

    • @InquisitorJack
      @InquisitorJack 23 дня назад +2

      Doug did recently cover the story of David and Abigail. Honestly, as a bachelor, at this point I’d rather force the guys that have multiple women giving them kids have to take responsibility than taxing me.

    • @ayo-samurai
      @ayo-samurai 23 дня назад

      @InquisitorJack could be an improvement

    • @InquisitorJack
      @InquisitorJack 22 дня назад

      @@ayo-samurai Would hopefully pre-empt any "conservative" commentators from yet another session of "blame single men for women's choices"

    • @ayo-samurai
      @ayo-samurai 22 дня назад

      @@InquisitorJack right, blame men for the options that birth control gave women.

    • @ayo-samurai
      @ayo-samurai 21 день назад

      @@InquisitorJack yes let's blame men for the options that birth control gave to women.

  • @jaholland42
    @jaholland42 22 дня назад +1

    Why have i been censured!

    • @Mic1904
      @Mic1904 22 дня назад +1

      Probably because you don't know how to post...

    • @jaholland42
      @jaholland42 22 дня назад

      @Mic1904 disagree. It was not contentious topic. And mostly in the camp of agreement. But you seem to know the answer. Teach me your ways!

  • @gregs157
    @gregs157 23 дня назад +6

    This whole thing is embarrassing for Christians. All sides. Children

  • @joelarmstrong8142
    @joelarmstrong8142 20 дней назад

    This beef is more annoying than Eustace Scrubb. Don’t be like Trudeau, learn to read the room. Give it a break.

  • @marybrewer2203
    @marybrewer2203 22 дня назад

    Thanks for the pleasantly nutritious after-work snack. It actually made me consider the content of my posts and comments.