Love the .410, but I think my "only gun" would be a Remington 870 pump in 20-gauge. Ammo is cheap and readily available in a wide variety of loads, and 870s, new and used, are everywhere. You can feed yourself with one, and the 20-bore has plenty of poke in a self-defense situation. The only thing that has kept me from adding a .410 to the safe is the cost of ammo in my area.
I've always loved shooting 410's I was started on a mossberg 3 shot bolt action with a poly choke which I still have 53 years later,my favorite is a winchester pump that's older than I am. I know a lot of people think the 410 is wrong for a first shotgun but I totally disagree. I still like to squirrel hunt with my 22/410 O&U,I just love the old steel & wood guns!
Grew up on a 2,200 acre farm. For 30 years, my father's constant companion was his .410 pump Mossberg, great gun. Carried everywhere, shot everything, except deer and elk when he carried sportorized Springfield. The .410 is a great gauge and is unjustly maligned.
Your right about hunting birds with a 22. My dad was a sniper in the Korean war. In the mid 60's he went duck hunting with buddies, he used his Rem 121 Field-master pump and bagged more than any of his buddies that used 12.guages.
I remember my dad had a JC Higgins pump shotgun when I was a kid. He traded it for an 1100 in the 60s. Ah, the good old days when Sears sold guns and ammo and Ted Williams was their spokesman.
I gave a bolt action Mossberg shotgun to an old retired Army drill Sgt. and and he was completely smitten. He could shoot right and left handed both rifles and pistols from having instructed recruits for nearly 30 years. Like the farmers you mention, he measured the value of the gun in its utility. Great video, thanks!
Hello Sir, My first gun that I bought was a project gun Winchester Model 37A at age 59. I was always a bow hunter and after my Dad passed I became the curator of his prized guns. Somehow my brother talked my Dad out of his Western .410 and I needed to fill the void. I had been learning about guns from my gunsmith and firearms mentor Jim Redmond of Redmond Sports Company in Bath, MI. Mr. Redmond had went through all my Dad's guns and really started me on my journey to understand them, their history, and get to know them. They were all mistly Winchesters. So I found a 37A Qinchester at a local gun shop and I wanted to learn about stock refinishing, mechanical operation, and rebluing. This 37A provided all that and more, sadly the gun I bought had a bad barrel and Mr. Redmond said there was a lesson I would never forget. I had to get a replacement barrel, found one at Numrich, lucky for me. I stripped the stock and fore end, got rid of the rust and pitting, cold blued the gun and boy was I proud of the results, I think my Dad would have been proud too. Only problem was that the Winchester Model 37A was a youth gun. So back online to find a Model 37 .410 and I did. Another project gun but a Red letter Winchester Model 37. I was learning. This project came out nicely too. Mr. Redmond gave it the Redmond Ready, Redmond Approved seal of Approval. The. 410 is a great gun and the best is the Model 42, known as Everybody’s Sweetheart,” as well as “The Greatest Little Shotgun in the World,” I found a treasure from a older gentleman that was scaling down his treasures and a Winchester full ribbed Model 42 is now my to care for. What a great gun! I take it to the trap range and it busts clay's with the big boys There is a great RUclips video by Paul Harrell about the .410 as a home defense gun which your viewers can check out from the link below. Watch ".410 Shotgun for Home Defense." on RUclips ruclips.net/video/BQD77feU-rY/видео.html Don't underestimate the. 410, it can carry a load farther than you think in the field and at home. I highly agree with you, the .410 makes a case for being one gun that does it all. I think that with my Model 74 or 52 Winchester's I have all bases covered if trouble comes a calling. I love the .410, because my Dad did, it started me on my gun collection journey and it is just a super fun firearm to shoot Thank you for your videos and your time and efforts to further educate the gun community Best regards, Rick Mansberger
Hi Rick! Thank you for a really great post. Your dedication is something else. Even a new barrel! You're right - your Dad would be proud and no doubt is, somewhere. I'll watch the video and thanks for the link. You have really fine guns that carry a lot of meaning. In these times that are wanting for meaning, I find more and more people are collecting, studying and just generally valuing guns - one of the most durable material things - and quite personal - that one can own. All the best to you.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks for the reply. I tried to become a patreon but there was a server error. We have serious cell and connection problems here today, so I will try later. I really enjoyed the Model 88 you put me on. I got a really nice circa 1964 from Barry Carter of Old Leaksville GS. We are having rough weather here so shooting will have to wait. I also brought home a nice Savage 99 last week. Added 2 more Winchester 1894's, one carbine, 1941, and one special order rifle with a short mag. The Lever actions are having a membership drive in my gun room. I hope my wife doesn't mind the extra company. Thank you again for your great videos, always learning something and always finding another gun you make ne want to have. Working on a Finnwolf, I will let you know when I find one. Take care my friend Rick Mansberger
Thanks for your review and comments on the .410 shotgun. My first firearm was a Stevens/Savage Arms .410 bolt action shotgun with a tubular magazine. It was much like the one shown here. Got it for my 12th birthday in the mid-1950s. WE lived on a farm at the time and I took my share of squirrels, cotton tail rabbits and crows. Came in handy for pests as well.
Hi Rich - I think your experiences on the farm were shared by many. The .410 is one of the quietest success stories in guns and hunting; there is nothing else quite like it. Thanks for sharing.
I have always loved the 410. You just have less room for error. When my dad developed arthritis as he got older he enjoyed 22's and 410's. He had stopped hunting years before but still enjoyed shooting and reloading. I enjoy wooswalking with a 410 and a centerfire handgun as backup. I think you made excellent points as you always do. Thanks for the review.
First, I enjoy your videos, look forward to them and always learn something. I am impressed with your collection, knowledge and straight forward approach. Like you I value simplicity, reliability and function. These factors have always driven my purchasing decisions. I have been a shooter and hunter for over 50 years and continue to do so. Below are some of my favorite guns. Savage 24 Savage 242C Stevens 240 If someday, you have the time and interest I would love to see a review on these guns. Regardless I will continue to watch your channel and encourage you to continue your effort.
Thank you R Morlock - your words are great encouragement for me! For sure I'll make a video on the 24 - just have to find one; ultra-useful firearms and not to be confused with the unusual 42 - which apparently shoots and sells well.
Wow Brother , another great video ! My go to shotgun has and always will be a 410 . Started hunting for deer over 50 years ago. Two bucks in 2 years . Both 1 shot kills . Don't hunt anymore , but own many 410s from single to bolt to pump . Never had one let me down . And yes , you can find ones easily under a $100 . Thanks again for another great video and I couldn't agree with you more .
Nostalgia! Brings back old memories. I and my friends had Cooey 84 shotguns as 15 year-olds in Canada. (It was called the model 840 in the USA) Never forget the surprise when I first fired one as a skinny 15-year-old. The only other guns I'd fired to that point had been a 177 pellet gun and a 22 rimfire. My buddy asked me to try his 12 gauge Model 84. He kindly loaded with the worst recoiling shell he could find - an Imperial 3" magnum with 1 & 7/8 oz load - and no recoil pad. I put on a brave face, but inside I swore that I would never fire another one! So I timidly bought a Cooey 84 in 410 gauge. The shells looked really small, but I got just as many (or more) rabbits with it as I did later on (after lifting weights) when I finally bought my own Cooey 84 in 12 gauge. I also got just as much game with it as I did with all the fancy Remington auto-loaders and Browning pumps I acquired later on in life. And they cost a lot more than the $29.95 Cooeys. Having said all this, it seems Field and Stream magazine is not a big fan of the 410. Stick with the 20 gauge and up, they say. www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2013/08/truth-about-shogun-ammo You can't get buy Cooeys any more in any gauge, and the used ones are generally banged up and rusted out. However, Henry has a version of it that's finally made its way to store shelves. I plan to have a look at one next week. It costs $499 CDN or $379 US at Bass Pro shops. Available in 12, 20 and 410, it features a number of substantial improvements over the old Cooeys. First, the 12 gauge version has a 3 &1/2" chamber and it's threaded for Rem style chokes - though only one is included with each gun. It also has better wood and a much needed recoil pad. www.henryusa.com/shotgun/single-shot-shotgun/
The .410 is a wonderful choice. I am partial to a sxs .410, but also love the absolute bare bones simplicity of the single shots. Not being experienced with the 28ga, I have often wondered if it might serve better over a slightly larger range of small game.
Yes, good video and you've hit the nail right on the head. My first rifle was a .22 single shot bolt action, my second one, well actually a shotgun, was a .410, just like the break barrel you show here, except is was made by Cooey in Canada. Great guns!
Hopefully people will begin to appreciate how versatile a gun it is. My goto is a 500 Mossie pump. 20 years ago a smith customized it for me. It has bullet molds, modified .42 Colt and a round ball mold sized to work with the screw in choke made for it. It is essentially a paradox gun. The bullet weighs in at 220 grains. At 100 yards with the slightly modified bead a apple sized target can easily be hit. The gun takes no effort to carry and a pocket full or small bandolier with mixed loads can have you ready for just about anything. I once showed up at a trap range, some ink in the sky soon dispelled any doubts. The recoil is negligible which adds to the positives substantially. Great videos!
Thank you for making some very valid points about this shotgun gauge. I find the 410 indispensable for real world needs. My first shotgun was a Stevens 311 H 410 side by side. I took many mallards and geese with it by the age of 14. It's still in my vault.
Amazing ZH - not many of us wise enough to keep the memorable guns - including me. The .410 double goes for top dollar these days. Good shooting BTW - ducks and geese with the .410 is true skill.
My favorite is my H&R 410. My wife loves her Mossberg 500 410. We have a small farm and find the 410 to be the most versatile gun to bring out on chores. From coyote to weasel it just works.
Hi Craig! Glad you hear your experience is the same. I find the .410 so useful - especially when I was younger and was in places - like farms - where things needed to be done. Such as a colony of rats under the porch. They're so fast - but the .410 was faster. The .22 shot was just too small and sparse. God Bless.
G'Day from Australia, I always enjoy watching your videos and this one about the must have .410 shotgun is no exception. After over 50 years of lugging around various 12 gauge shotguns for rabbit hunting, I bought a single barrel Boito .410 shotgun last year. What a difference---the little shotgun is a joy to carry and shoot. I restrict my shots to 30 yards or less and I can usually bring home a bunny or two. I think I may have been bitten by the " .410 Bug "! I've also bought a lovely folding Belgian single barrel .410, .410/12 gauge chamber adapters and a Savage Fourtener,. These latter two I use in my single and double barrel 12 gauges. I'd really like a pump action .410 shotgun but here in OZ, we cannot own pump action or semi-auto shotguns, although we can have pump action rifles but not semi-auto rifles of any calibre. Don't try to figure out the logic! I've often wondered about taping rifle sights on to my single barrel 12 gauge shotgun. I don't really want to permanently attach sights to it. I've had it since my mid teens and it would feel like harming an old friend! Have you any ideas on a brand of sights that might be suitable for taping on? We are now permitted to use a shotgun with slugs for deer but the barrel must have front and rear sights or an optic, not just a bead. This comment has ended up a bit long--sorry. I look forward to watching more of your fine videos. Cheers, Steve
Great video, I've got both a Sears single shot, and a Mossberg 183D bolt action, two of my favorite guns. I don't know if I agree about the $80 though, those are getting downright hard to find around here. I was lucky to have had both handed down to me years ago myself but I've been looking high and low for a deal on another bolt action 410 for years. I've also got a Stevens 940E in .410, also a single shot that was given to me new in the box a few years ago.
Excellent points. One thing I would add though is a No.4 pellet coming out of a 410 at 1100 fps has the same muzzle energy as a No.4 pellet coming out of a 12 gauge at 1100 fps. There are just pellets over all.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I agree and you brought something up about the shot column from a 410 being more linear than the larger gauges. I hadn't thought about it but when my son killed a deer with his 410 with 000 buckshot (3 .36 cal pellets) it dropped it DRT. Those 3 pellets were evenly spaced along the body, 1 in the neck, 1 in the lungs, 1in the hindquarters. If the deer was moving a linear shot column makes sense with how it worked out.
Hey it's me again Mike. Another fine video. Good, simple explanation of the shot string and how it affects the pattern. I started hunting with an Ithaca model 66 Super Single 20 gauge. I still believe it is the best gauge to start hunting with. Definitely has more pellets in the pattern at any given range making it easier to make good,. clean kills. Recoil is not hard to manage with proper training in shooting. Being relaxed and not worrying all the school yard BS about how it's going to knock you down. I started shooting with a 22 single shot but the first shotgun I ever shot was my dad's 16 gauge Remington 11-48 at around nine or ten years old. I had no problems shooting it at stationary targets because Dad got me ued to the noise by watching him shoot and telling me the recoil wasn't going to knock me down or hurt me. Of course it was too heavy for me to carry, so when I was old enough to go pheasant hunting with the adults at about age 12 or 13 and he could afford it, he got the Ithaca for me. It had a 3inch chamber so could use it on squirrels, rabbits, pheasants and ducks. I wish I had it back.
Over the years I have owned several .410 shotguns, what are they good for? This is a great small game round for rabbits and squirrel. I shot a rabbit with a 12 gauge and is way too destructive. I knew an older lady who kept one for varmints that were killing her ducks, single shot .410. Good for shooting rattlesnakes and cotton mouths she had on her property now and then. In areas where small game is abundant you will never go hungry for sure. More useful than many may consider, I was even able to shoot birds but you had to know your range and it was more limited due to smaller bore and shot charge. Neat review.
I think for a "one gun fits all" sort of thing, the Savage Model 24 comes pretty close, and even closer are the 24V models, which are various centerfire calibers and 20 gauge shotgun barrels. I have a 24V in .357 Magnum over 20 gauge, which gives me 2 different handgun calibers (.38 Spl. and .357 Mag.) with a variety of loadings, and another great variety of ammunition for the 20 gauge, from light field/target loads, upland game loads, and slugs. These guns will do just about anything you need them for. The ultimate survival gun.
I love the logic in this video, I don't have a .410, but hope to have one one day. I do enjoy comparing different guns, as science and recreational as well. I had bought a Marlin 1895 CB in 45 70 and enjoy shooting it. But the ammo is expensive and I thought I would get my self a Marlin 1894 CB in 357 M for recreational shooting. I must say that the 357 M/38 Special in my testing can be very powerful or quite mild in a 20 inch barrel depending on the ammo. My penetration tests were surprising with some 357 commercial loads, excellent results. So I can easily believe that the .410 is a useful shotgun with it's range of loading's available.
Great idea. 410 with all brass shell, say Magtech, can be an excellent way to make inexpensive and re-loadable cartridges. Though you could even convert 303 cases, 444 marlin cases. Google the topic. An all brass .410 slug load really sounds like a ultra long 45LC, but in .41 caliber. So worth investigating.
stephane matis A 410 rifle . That’s how I was taught to say it. “ It’s not a shotgun!” . Ya a brass case with 3 40ish cal balls loaded up with nitro is just as deadly as a 444/45/70/ 450 marlin . Especially if you have a rifles choke tube on it , even with a regular choke the accuracy is very good . Just back down on the powder when you see the primers start to flatten out. Also make sure the balls are in direct contact with one another! We cut a flat spot on them to give more surface area . So powder / card / buffer card / bullets hard card and crimp. We only used them in brake action H nR rifles . Never hurt us or them . Some things are easier when you grow up 15 miles away from the factory that produced 75% of the ordnance powder used by the allies in WW2 . TNT Armament Mason Co WVa . I believe the Nobel family ( along with the government) owned and operated it . It’s now called. McClintic Wildlife Preserve . A chemical wasteland concealed by natural forest growth. Still the old timers taught us kids in thec70’s 80’s a lot of stuff that could get one into trouble. Things like lift blast and flash powder prep. And how to make the stronger stuff as well.
I think I mentioned in one of your other videos but I have a Stevens single shot and a Mossberg bolt action with a blind magazine .410. My first firearm my dad bought for me and my brother was a Revelation single shot. Shot many rounds through it.
The .410 in popular culture, from the country song, "The Road Goes on Forever, and the Party Never Ends": "She stepped into the alley with a single shot .410." The song is about an outlaw couple, and I find it interesting that the writer decided on a .410 as the gun of choice. Reminds me of a side by side .410 Lefever that my friend used to own, but his ex-wife ended up with it. He was okay with her taking the Marlin .30-30 with a Williams receiver sight that she used to shoot deer, but losing the .410 bothered him. They used it on grouse and squirrels. Your videos really bring back the memories for me.
Hi Tim, That .410 Lefever is a gem; I can understand the feeling of loss. I looked for one for a long time and then realized I'll just have to wait until a decent one shows up - looking just made them more scarce - kind of like deer hunting : )
Yes. I can definitely understand the variations of use. I had a Steven’s in 20 ga. That would possibly be more versatile. I always had a heck of a time hitting doves past 25 yards with a 410.
You are so right about the .410 bore. I lived in the country for 38 years and shot the .410 as much as any .22. You're right about those slugs, think they weigh 88 grains and run around 1500 - 1600 ft/sec. It's really a versatile bore. First .410 was an 870, next came the 1100 Remington came out with back when (hold your nose) Clinton was in office. SOB
I've always liked that 1100 in .410 - probably my favorite 1100. I had one and installed some decent iron sights on the rib with epoxy. I was surprised that the sights stayed on - even through much use and recoil. I shot a lot of slugs though that gun and it collected a number of coyotes. Eventually the time came to sell and I had to use a torch to heat up the epoxy to get it to break free. Not too hot though. Thanks for writing. Have a Merry Christmas!
At age 8 my first firearm was a Ted Williams (Sears) single shot bolt action shotgun. At 18 my brother wanted a shotgun and I wanted a .22 (he had a Stevens Model 15 single shot) so we swapped (I had bought a 12 gauge double barreled shotgun from a neighbor). That .410 shotgun killed tons of squirrels, rabbits, and a woodcock to my knowledge. My stepmother's father (a farmer) swore by the .410. He hated the 12 gauge but bought one after the state of Missouri changed the game laws on what was permitted for turkey and deer (.410 was not allowed). A couple years ago I found a twin of my .410 at an auction in beautiful condition and it went home with me. I would say that the one "must have gun" should be a Savage model 24 in .22 over .410. My uncle had on of those and swore by it. Thanks for the video!!!
Hi Daniel - That Savage 24 would be perfect - but so few around and they are sooo expensive. The new Model 42 is not much of a replacement for the 24 - as you know. Glad you found the gun at auction!
My first shotgun was a Savage single barrel .410 as a youngster. It took me a long time to learn to wing shoot with it. Aftrr learning profiency with a .410 my wing clay bird shooting with a 12 ga. Improved by leaps and bounds. I did trade it for an H&R 20 ga. With invector chokes. A 20 Ga. is much more versatile than a .410 but I still keep a model 500 .410 handy for home defense. Peace
Hi again, sorry I'm late with my post ,you have just brought back great memories, as a 10yr old boy in 1960 in England I opened a box on Christmas day and ther it was a Cooey 410 which I cherished and loved for many years eventually giving it away !..having been fortunate enough to have owned many many exspencive guns over the years. This gun along with a secondhand 1965 browninga1 trap (I think you call this model a standard superposed plain black action not pigeon grade ) bring back the most wonderfull memories .Have a great and prosperous New year . From your friend the old Sage .
Hi Gerald! Great to hear from you! I'm glad the video reminded of earlier days - happens to me often. I collect old hunting, adventure (Biggles) and exploration books and found a few treasures recently. The reason I mention this is that the old books deal with hunting and guns in the UK - back to the 1850s. I had no idea what great hunting and sport and sportsmanship the UK had. I use the past tense based on what I am told by viewers who write me from the UK. Of course - there is still much going on and good hunting - but a dramatic abbreviation of days gone by. I suppose it happens just about everywhere. Fantastic firearms heritage and a stunning landscape and wonderful people in the UK. The very best to you.
Whilst I would agree about the utter reliability of a break open single shot, I respectfully would have to agree to disagree on the .410 as the one must have. I like .410s and have even bought an H&R youth model with a cut-down 20" barrel for my 13 year old, 90 pound granddaughter to supplement her Bear bow. However, if push came to shove, I'd opt for the same platform but in 20. To which, I'd add a 6" (or longer) cartridge adapter in perhaps .38/.357, or maybe 9mm. While obviously not for 100 meter targets, it would be useful enough at 50 to 75 feet. The 20 bore ammo is so much more powerful and easier to find at so much lower cost than .410. But, I do concede most of your other points in the video. I "discovered" your channel a month ago at home while recovering from Covid-19. Keep up the great work.
My Hushpower mossberg 410 is now my most used. It’s my default pigeon gun. Certainly rewarding roost shooting with it. Cartridges take up little room too.
First off your producers did a nice job with the opening. It is straight to the point without becoming something that is so long that it is skipped by the viewer. For myself, if I had to pick one gun that I "must have" it would be my first firearm. That gun is a Winchester Model 9422 that my parent's got me as a Christmas gift. With regard to the selection of a .410 shotgun for those who are limited to one gun it is hard to argue against it. One can do quite a bit with them and there are quite a few cool firearms that come in that gauge such as the Winchester Model 9410 or Winchester Model 42 (I don't have either).
My goodness. You must be one of the luck few, if not the only lucky one to get a 9422 for Christmas! Such great parents! I sent letters to Winchester to please make a run of 9410s - I know a fellow who uses his 9410 for everything and seems to collect everything too. The 42 is a gem - as you know.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Extremely lucky! The story behind what I consider to be my first firearm starts with being given on Christmas day an entirely different gun. It was a Marlin Model 81TS, and my dad bought it around Thanksgiving in Bozeman, Montana after he had asked me questions about what I thought I liked in a rifle. Well, that Marlin had serious mechanical issues from the very beginning so my father sent it to them to be fixed. Instead of fixing it, they sent it back with a note saying if the problems occurred again that the solution was to use a knife to solve them. Well, he called them up telling Marlin about how their fix violated their own Marlin safety code and so they gave him three options. The first was to return the gun to be fixed, the second was to be given a replacement gun, and the third was to be given a full refund. He opted for the full refund. After he got the refund, he and I went to numerous gun shops where we handled .22 rifles from Henry's to Remington's. It was when we both handled a Winchester Model 9422 that we knew we had found the right .22 rifle make and model. After that it was just finding one with a walnut stock that had figuring we both liked and that happened in Livingston, Montana. With regard to "great parents" you are right. It isn't everyday that parents go from a $150 gun to a $450 gun for a Christmas gift. So what I consider to be my first firearm may not have been unwrapped under a Christmas Tree, but the experience of going though the search to find the right .22 rifle for Christmas was even better. I would love to see Winchester bring back the 9410 and 9422 lines of shotguns and rifles. Unfortunately I don't see the market forces they succumbed to changing anytime soon. Thus, much like their pre-64 ancestors they now belong to the ages.
I believe your logic is sound. I have contemplated the same question, and I have to say I agree. I haven’t come up with a more situationally better firearm for that question. I very much like those light bolt action Savage shotguns. You are correct in your description of the shot pattern and fundamentals of using a .410 with foul. Surprisingly I do not own a .410 and haven’t for some time. I gave mine to the son of a friend years ago. I’m going to get a couple. Now I want a CZ O/U and a Savage bolt action. Very well thought out, explained and presented. Cheers.
I love the 410s but avoided them because the ammo cost. In the South here every house used to have at least one 410. It really makes me wonder what happened to them all. It's something we don't see in pawn shops or the second hand markets.
I bought my son a Stoeger single shot for Christmas last year and if would've checked the price of the shells first he would have gotten something else, maybe a 20ga.
.410 is one shotgun shell that it really pays to reload. At least for now, the price of factory load 12 and 20 gauge is so good that it's just about impossible to beat it, at least with bird shot loads.
That Sears .410 is basically a Cooey. Cooey was bought by Winchester in 1968. They slapped all kinds of model names on the cooey designs. For example, the Cooey model 37a was One name for the single shot 12 gauge in Canada, (made by Winchester Canada at the cobourg Ontario plant. Same gun was marketed as the Winchester 840. I looked it up and the Sears 684 is the Cooey design. The hinge release is ambidextrous. Great little action. Super reliable. The fit and finish was low. These were cheap guns. But quantity has a quality of its own, and there loads of these guns in use in the bush. There is still a Cooey company design in production, the savage 64 .22 made in Lakefield Ontario. That’s a bit of modest Canadian firearms history. Cooey’s are well loved here.
Thank you! I have the 64 and it seems to me I remember the Canadian version - with aluminum magazine. I own a Tobin shotgun - quite fine - a sidelock - Made in Canada.
I bought each of my sons a single shot 410 for their first gun. Excellent gun to learn on. They bought the rest of their guns themselves. 410 slugs or buckshot can easily take a deer.
Excellent video sir! On the much maligned .410 bore. Loved your description of the long shot pattern, too. I have noticed as I age, I seem to appreciate smaller gauges, bores, and calibers so much more! Bigger is no longer better. At least for me! I wish more people could learn to appreciate .410 bore shotguns. Maybe the price of shells could come down a bit! Or maybe I need to get back into reloading after 50 years.
Thanks for the note Michael - many letters I receive agree with you - the smaller gauges are quite special and mostly sufficient. Waterfowl hunters like and often need the big gauges for heavy ducks and geese at a distance.
Absolutely... I have all kinds of guns,, and out of all of them, when I head out the door on my farm, The H&R 410 single shot is the one I grab the most.. Its the all around best hunting gun and bird gun.. I was invited pheasant hunting once by some people I didnt know well and you should have seen the look on their faces when I pulled out my single shot 410 and all of them had 12G pumps.. Guess who was the only one to go home with their limit.??? I wouldnt trade my 410 for the world. I would love a 410 pump or a bolt action like you have, thats very nice, but even so, I love mine..
That is one of my one gun choices also. The top of my one one gun choices is a European shotgun with a rifle barrel below the shotgun barrels. My favorite is a 16 ga break action with an 8mm rimmed cartridge below. If I was to make an American triple barrel break. I would have a 12 ga barrel with a 30-06 next to, I would have the 30-06 on the starboard side, the a 22 WMR in between and above not below the double barrels. I think that would be all encompassing, and completely versatile especially for a hand loader.
Savage model 24, .22 LR on top and 20 ga. on the bottom. Can shoot bunnies, squirrels, birds, even deer with a slug. Doesn't get more versatile than that.
I keep my eye out for a deal on a 410. Probably a single shot or a pump. I like the 20 gauge as well, its enough gun to fit many roles. Ive shot many, many doves, rabbits, squirrel and deer with a 20gauge. Ive even took a few coyotes with one.
In Asia, governments always say “must have no guns”. Not only guns owning, other strict & unreasonable control still exists in Asia. For example: 1. Buying a kitchen knife must be real name registered & wrapped up it then bring back home. Government has files showed every family how many kitchen knives owning. 2. A cook sent a kitchen knife to be sharpened then put it in his bag, and took MRT to restaurant to work at morning, he got arrested, convicted against society security. 3. A woman picked up a cartridge in the street, she took it to police station, she assumed it would be all right but got accused, she paid very expensive lawyer fee & spent time in court to prove that cartridge was not owned by her, otherwise she must be put in jail for many years. 4. Police can check every person in streets, use hands to check every male or female people, can take off people’s clothes, underwear or strip any person, including female people to be nude to check them in public place. 5. Police or soldier can catch any person to check and beat them without reason. 6. Police can catch any one who is assumed to be suspect, if there’s no testimony, confession, hit & torture people till get signature & fingers print, then sent people to court & jail. Many innocent people got arrested & tortured; a young girl was nothing concerned with a criminal case, police caught her without reason, beat & tortured her, rode her, used a stick to dig her vagina & got bleeding & screaming. Can you imagine it happened in a area that government said itself is democratic? A lot of strict & unreasonable control, even totalitarian ruling still exists in Asia; even those governments declared democracy, freedom and human right, still doing those things & control; “iron cover” still exists. If you go to Asia, you’ll find governments’ goal is “there’s no any gun in civil”, “only rulers can own guns privately”. Their thinking is “I’m ruler, you must be ruled by me.”; “I can, but you can’t”; “I’m on the top, you are peanut”. So got a word short about rulers’ thinking & doing : “civil people can not own gun at all, don’t do it, don’t argue with me, otherwise you’ll get punished”.
An armed civilian is a citizen. A disarmed civilian is a subject--or worse, a slave. Everyone living in the U.S. should read this and be thankful for our Bill of Rights. I still have family in England, and they've told me that we have it made in the U.S.
@@moeshipley4170 Thank you for your response. You’re happy & blessed. But Asia people are not, need US, UK & all European countries’ help, let them get real democracy, freedom and human right. Of course, armed should be the first.
Rossi sells single shot, dual caliber, .410/.22 via changeable barrels. Paid $159 USD at Dick's Sporting Goods new. The inexperienced sales person tried to do paperwork as two firearms until he was replaced by a more knowledgeable staff. Seems like a perfect survival tool, and, of course it easily breaks down for compact carry. Comes with carrying case.
Is that a Winchester Cooey, made in Canada? Kudos if it is. I have a couple and there is nothing wrong with a inexpensive, reliable single shot that is built like a tank. And .410 is really food for thought as a go to round. Like the new intro BTW
Hi Garald - this one says " Sears Model 684 Full Choke Made in Canada for Simpsons and Sears" - probably the same or very similar gun to the Cooey. Thanks for noticing the intro.! Have a great weekend.
my first gun was Grandpas ole .410/.22 ! i loved the added challenge of hunting ground hogs with the .410 ..... anyone can snipe them off with the newest zipity bla bla and super scope.... and if you get them before dandylions are out, dang good eats! Ewww you eat.... lol, they only eat the choice blades of grass ole cows eat ..... luv yer vids!! cheers from Canada!
My must have gun would be an old Stevens 22/410 over and under. I carried one a lot as a kid and it allow me to shoot squirrels or quail, depending on what I saw in the woods, by just changing the selector.
My grandpa had one of those, they are a model 24. Before he passed, he gave it to one of his buddies. I think i might know the one, and may try to track it down.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill I liked it as a kid. Single shot, break open with a hammer and open sights. I killed many squirrel, rabbit and quail with it. I also carried a few 410 slugs in my pocket in case I needed a bigger punch on something.
You bet - that Stevens is legend! Savage brought out something really weird to fill the demand for the old ones which are quite expensive now. But my goodness - have a look at the new one - I think Model 42. Maybe it is excellent but what a collection of parts and plastic. I don't like saying negative things or even having negative thoughts - but I'll take the Stevens old one 10 times out of 10.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I could not agree with you more. I have looked at the new ones and after having used the old Stevens, I was very disappointed in the build quality. I absolutely love that old Stevens and still shoot it whenever I get the chance.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I first learned of the Savage Model 24 in an ad for Savage/Stevens in an old Boy Scout Handbook that is from the early sixties. I thought the idea was pretty nifty and certainly different from the competition. It also shows that the Marlin Golden 39-A sold for $78.50 and Winchester 22's started at $17.95! So many great guns and no one gave a second thought that advertising them to kids was bad. Yet, if that occurred today people would freak out and launch online protests.
Savage 24v in 30-30/20 gauge with either a hammond game getter or short lane. 22LR insert covers all bases in one gun. If only they made slugs for 28 gauge. For me that's the perfect single shot gauge otherwise
I forgot to add I have a stoeger abs 410. I want to get a rifled 22 or insert for 1 of the barrels. I wouldn't recommend shooting deer unless really needed with it either, but I have known several people personally who have successfully killed then with 410 slugs outside far as 65 yes. Thank you again for another great logical and informative video. I like your calm style. Have a good day.
Just picked up my Father's old 20 ga. Ithaca Model 37 pump action. Needed a bit of cleaning, but it is just a fantastic little shotgun. Was never impressed with a 410 because it is too small.
Hi John - That is a top shotgun in my rack. Something about the 20 in the 37 - it's magic! I saw one with a shot barrel and another with a slug barrel in 20 - both are superb! Good shooting and take care.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks. I was thinking of getting another barrel for slugs or home defense. Love the Model 37, just feels better than my 12 ga. Remington 870.
The single shot 12g. is a thing of beauty. Having said that, any shotgun is a thing of beauty. They have the widest range of uses of all the firearms. Having seen your video on the dangerous game calibres' I have come to the conclusion that I need one of those too. the only problem is that we have no dangerous game in N Z. so they may be impossible to find here.
Hi James - well written; and it didn't occur to me - but so true - no lions in NZ. How about those buffalo in Australia? I knew a fellow that went chasing them with a Ruger #1 in .405 Winchester - great hunt.
Thank you sir for dispelling the rumor of pattern size. Yes, one must lead a bird a bit more with the 410. I learned to shoot waterfowl with a 410. IMHO it made me a better shot. They are an indispensable gun on the farm or the field.
We're in the same boat. I had the same experience and the .410 on ducks is fine - I just waited a little longer for them to come in and passed on long shots. So smart - the long lead - it is a longer shot column. I have no scientific proof but I'm fairly certain that when I was at my best with the .410 the first pellets at the front of the shot column arrived and hit the duck which usually slowed the bird - allowing the other pellets to arrive on target. I may be imaging this - but it sure seemed that way.
Your bolt action .410 is quite similar to my first personal firearm. On my 12th birthday I was given a Stevens/Savage Arms bolt action with a tubular magazine. I still have that shotgun.
Why not a Drilling? I have one Sauer & Sohn in 16x16/30-06 and is great as “must have gun” perfect for anything! Excellent for survival in any situation. God video, thank you.
in africa the gun of the common person is a Baikal single shot 12 guage . 12 ga is universally available ammo. my ancestors in the hills of applicia usually had only 2 guns a 22 single shot and a single shot shotgun. they are completely durable and reliable . they hunted everything from quail to bear with the shotgun. the 22 was for shooting pests , snakes and killing hogs to butchering. the slugs are absolutely capable to 50 yds . i have see deer killed with them . The new 000 buckshot loads are absolutely crushing out to 30 yds . 5 - 36cal pellets at 1100fps thats a lot of whack .
First animal I ever took was with a single shot sears .410! I lent it to my cousin to let his kids learn how to hunt with it but will be taking it back any year now.
Excellent idea! Another underestimated caliber. I really enjoy hunting with my side by side.With 3" shells and slugs, there's plenty of applications for it round here.
You've got what I'm looking for. I almost bought a Turkish SXS but the barrels were too long. I'd like one with 24" barrels - just about an ultra-lightweight double "rifle."
Nice intro, short and to the point. I wonder, did you intend to line up a downbeat of the music with the first shot you fire? Cool either way. You make a good case for the .410 and for simple firearms, which I'm finding value in the older I get. Just found a Mossberg 185k-a the other day, looking forward to trying it.
Hi SmokeDog - I'm not smart enough to do the tech stuff - music and editing and all : ) Thanks for noticing though - my producers are working hard to take my out of the cave. Have a super weekend.
If you are actually hunting to put game on the table, there is far less damage to the meat with a .410 And if you fire a lot, you can move your arm and shoulder freely the next day.
My Mother is known in My Hometown of Lockhart ,TX ; as :” The Crackhead Killer” , due to 4 separate incidents where she had to employ deadly force by means of a fire arm . The last time a drug addled zombie sleep walker in his own mental apocalypse , attempted to force his way into Her Home :Ma’ hit the trespasser with one of the 410 Winchester Defender loads that I bought Her by the crate along with the beautiful bolt action Weatherby I purchased for Her ... a thigh shot the size of a clay pigeon , through and through .... yet He managed to back pedal and slip ( He was that tall) rather than leap , over a neighbors fence ; Where The Good Lads of LPD were already waiting... something about He made a threatening motion ... 3 nine millimeters to the center of the chest in a misers’ grip tight group did what a few seconds more would have finished .The fellow was nearly bled out from that heinous hyena bite that those dastardly Winchester Threat Stoppers are known to inflict ... Yes, I firmly subscribe to the wisdom of the 410 ... Men have rode rivers and tamed the lands with less.
Hi Richard - sounds like material for movie of the week. Amazing. I'd contact a production company or screenwriter. "mental apocalypse" - fantastic. As for the .410 - absolutely one of the most useful and proven of all.
USOG :Im telling You : I was away from home for almost 20 years ; and when I returned like a weary Tom Wolf , The first thing I start hearing around the hearth , as I passed a jug with My Brethren , was: “ ... A lot has happened since You’ve been gone ,Brother ... first time : Ma’ used Baby Sisters’ .22 tube loader ... she had to pump all 18 into that first one then go at him with a machete before He stopped charging ...the last two weren’t so spectacular . Ma’ went for the 30 30 The next time ...Sheriff Said: “ They , don’t learn , do they ?” They don’t . Last one : Ma’ shot right through the door one good kick away from crashing down , right as the bastard was coming down on it with his size 14 sneaker ... took him under the chin and left a mess behind him ...” and I’m thinking : “ This must be hyperbole ! Pure unadulterated Exaggeration! “ but the more Peace Officers I encountered , most of Whom I’d attended School with , all verified My Mothers claims... and then about 2 and a half years ago , Me and My wife were staying over for the Holidays , when the last incident occurred , involving the 410 that I had given Her the Christmas past .
Nice pick for if you could only have one gun, but what is your favorite gun? It could be your favorite to shoot or your favorite piece in your collection just to admire for its looks or build quality. It is probably an unfair question because even in my small collection my answer can change from time to time. If I had to choose right now it would be my Mosin M44 carbine for my rifle and my glossy blued Walther P-38 (actually an early P1) for pistol.
To add another level of usefulness, you could purchase a full set of Short Lane adaptors and have the ability to shoot almost any pistol rounds through your single shot shotgun. (20 and 12 gauge)
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns This was a great video. The old H&R Toppers break apart, and the "Survival" guy here on RUclips did a video years back on how to reload the hulls in black powder for extended re-use. A most excellent choice for a "one-gun" thought experimemt. Have a great day, and thanks for posting this.
Great video... I would've never thought of a 410 as the must have. I can see 12gauge or a 22. Honestly I would go with a 22 semiauto rifle like a Marlin model 60 if I could only own 1 firearm. you can still shoot doves off branches/powerlines with a 22 all day long.
@Art Anson In Scandinavia and Finland people shoot Capercallie (a large grouse like creature) in the trees with high power center fire rifles with no problems at all! ;)
Love the .410, but I think my "only gun" would be a Remington 870 pump in 20-gauge. Ammo is cheap and readily available in a wide variety of loads, and 870s, new and used, are everywhere. You can feed yourself with one, and the 20-bore has plenty of poke in a self-defense situation. The only thing that has kept me from adding a .410 to the safe is the cost of ammo in my area.
I've always loved shooting 410's I was started on a mossberg 3 shot bolt action with a poly choke which I still have 53 years later,my favorite is a winchester pump that's older than I am. I know a lot of people think the 410 is wrong for a first shotgun but I totally disagree. I still like to squirrel hunt with my 22/410 O&U,I just love the old steel & wood guns!
Grew up on a 2,200 acre farm. For 30 years, my father's constant companion was his .410 pump Mossberg, great gun. Carried everywhere, shot everything, except deer and elk when he carried sportorized Springfield. The .410 is a great gauge and is unjustly maligned.
Your right about hunting birds with a 22. My dad was a sniper in the Korean war. In the mid 60's he went duck hunting with buddies, he used his Rem 121 Field-master pump and bagged more than any of his buddies that used 12.guages.
I remember my dad had a JC Higgins pump shotgun when I was a kid. He traded it for an 1100 in the 60s. Ah, the good old days when Sears sold guns and ammo and Ted Williams was their spokesman.
I still have some Ted Williams high brass #5 Xtra range in 12Ga. I keep it because it was my Dad's
I gave a bolt action Mossberg shotgun to an old retired Army drill Sgt. and and he was completely smitten. He could shoot right and left handed both rifles and pistols from having instructed recruits for nearly 30 years. Like the farmers you mention, he measured the value of the gun in its utility. Great video, thanks!
Hello Sir,
My first gun that I bought was a project gun Winchester Model 37A at age 59. I was always a bow hunter and after my Dad passed I became the curator of his prized guns.
Somehow my brother talked my Dad out of his Western .410 and I needed to fill the void.
I had been learning about guns from my gunsmith and firearms mentor Jim Redmond of Redmond Sports Company in Bath, MI.
Mr. Redmond had went through all my Dad's guns and really started me on my journey to understand them, their history, and get to know them. They were all mistly Winchesters.
So I found a 37A Qinchester at a local gun shop and I wanted to learn about stock refinishing, mechanical operation, and rebluing. This 37A provided all that and more, sadly the gun I bought had a bad barrel and Mr. Redmond said there was a lesson I would never forget. I had to get a replacement barrel, found one at Numrich, lucky for me. I stripped the stock and fore end, got rid of the rust and pitting, cold blued the gun and boy was I proud of the results, I think my Dad would have been proud too.
Only problem was that the Winchester Model 37A was a youth gun. So back online to find a Model 37 .410 and I did. Another project gun but a Red letter Winchester Model 37. I was learning. This project came out nicely too. Mr. Redmond gave it the Redmond Ready, Redmond Approved seal of Approval.
The. 410 is a great gun and the best is the Model 42, known as Everybody’s Sweetheart,” as well as “The Greatest Little Shotgun in the World,” I found a treasure from a older gentleman that was scaling down his treasures and a Winchester full ribbed Model 42 is now my to care for. What a great gun! I take it to the trap range and it busts clay's with the big boys
There is a great RUclips video by Paul Harrell about the .410 as a home defense gun which your viewers can check out from the link below.
Watch ".410 Shotgun for Home Defense." on RUclips
ruclips.net/video/BQD77feU-rY/видео.html
Don't underestimate the. 410, it can carry a load farther than you think in the field and at home. I highly agree with you, the .410 makes a case for being one gun that does it all.
I think that with my Model 74 or 52 Winchester's I have all bases covered if trouble comes a calling.
I love the .410, because my Dad did, it started me on my gun collection journey and it is just a super fun firearm to shoot
Thank you for your videos and your time and efforts to further educate the gun community
Best regards,
Rick Mansberger
Hi Rick! Thank you for a really great post. Your dedication is something else. Even a new barrel! You're right - your Dad would be proud and no doubt is, somewhere. I'll watch the video and thanks for the link. You have really fine guns that carry a lot of meaning. In these times that are wanting for meaning, I find more and more people are collecting, studying and just generally valuing guns - one of the most durable material things - and quite personal - that one can own. All the best to you.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks for the reply. I tried to become a patreon but there was a server error. We have serious cell and connection problems here today, so I will try later.
I really enjoyed the Model 88 you put me on. I got a really nice circa 1964 from Barry Carter of Old Leaksville GS.
We are having rough weather here so shooting will have to wait. I also brought home a nice Savage 99 last week. Added 2 more Winchester 1894's, one carbine, 1941, and one special order rifle with a short mag.
The Lever actions are having a membership drive in my gun room. I hope my wife doesn't mind the extra company.
Thank you again for your great videos, always learning something and always finding another gun you make ne want to have. Working on a Finnwolf, I will let you know when I find one.
Take care my friend
Rick Mansberger
I have 3" chambered 410, it's a great little gun. My fist pick also. Would love to have a Henry lever 5 shot 410. It's on my Christmas list!
Thanks for your review and comments on the .410 shotgun. My first firearm was a Stevens/Savage Arms .410 bolt action shotgun with a tubular magazine. It was much like the one shown here. Got it for my 12th birthday in the mid-1950s.
WE lived on a farm at the time and I took my share of squirrels, cotton tail rabbits and crows. Came in handy for pests as well.
Hi Rich - I think your experiences on the farm were shared by many. The .410 is one of the quietest success stories in guns and hunting; there is nothing else quite like it. Thanks for sharing.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you. I don't doubt that at all. Btw, the .410 I had was the model 59A.
I have always loved the 410. You just have less room for error. When my dad developed arthritis as he got older he enjoyed 22's and 410's. He had stopped hunting years before but still enjoyed shooting and reloading. I enjoy wooswalking with a 410 and a centerfire handgun as backup. I think you made excellent points as you always do. Thanks for the review.
I like that "less room for error" - I'm glad your kept going with the .22 and .410s : ) Thanks for the kind words.
First, I enjoy your videos, look forward to them and always learn something. I am impressed with your collection, knowledge and straight forward approach. Like you I value simplicity, reliability and function. These factors have always driven my purchasing decisions. I have been a shooter and hunter for over 50 years and continue to do so. Below are some of my favorite guns.
Savage 24
Savage 242C
Stevens 240
If someday, you have the time and interest I would love to see a review on these guns. Regardless I will continue to watch your channel and encourage you to continue your effort.
Thank you R Morlock - your words are great encouragement for me! For sure I'll make a video on the 24 - just have to find one; ultra-useful firearms and not to be confused with the unusual 42 - which apparently shoots and sells well.
Wow Brother , another great video ! My go to shotgun has and always will be a 410 . Started hunting for deer over 50 years ago. Two bucks in 2 years . Both 1 shot kills . Don't hunt anymore , but own many 410s from single to bolt to pump . Never had one let me down . And yes , you can find ones easily under a $100 . Thanks again for another great video and I couldn't agree with you more .
Thanks Mike - those .410s are amazing - good on you for finding a bunch of the good ones.
Nostalgia! Brings back old memories. I and my friends had Cooey 84 shotguns as 15 year-olds in Canada. (It was called the model 840 in the USA) Never forget the surprise when I first fired one as a skinny 15-year-old. The only other guns I'd fired to that point had been a 177 pellet gun and a 22 rimfire. My buddy asked me to try his 12 gauge Model 84. He kindly loaded with the worst recoiling shell he could find - an Imperial 3" magnum with 1 & 7/8 oz load - and no recoil pad. I put on a brave face, but inside I swore that I would never fire another one! So I timidly bought a Cooey 84 in 410 gauge. The shells looked really small, but I got just as many (or more) rabbits with it as I did later on (after lifting weights) when I finally bought my own Cooey 84 in 12 gauge. I also got just as much game with it as I did with all the fancy Remington auto-loaders and Browning pumps I acquired later on in life. And they cost a lot more than the $29.95 Cooeys.
Having said all this, it seems Field and Stream magazine is not a big fan of the 410. Stick with the 20 gauge and up, they say.
www.fieldandstream.com/articles/hunting/2013/08/truth-about-shogun-ammo
You can't get buy Cooeys any more in any gauge, and the used ones are generally banged up and rusted out. However, Henry has a version of it that's finally made its way to store shelves. I plan to have a look at one next week. It costs $499 CDN or $379 US at Bass Pro shops. Available in 12, 20 and 410, it features a number of substantial improvements over the old Cooeys. First, the 12 gauge version has a 3 &1/2" chamber and it's threaded for Rem style chokes - though only one is included with each gun. It also has better wood and a much needed recoil pad.
www.henryusa.com/shotgun/single-shot-shotgun/
The .410 is a wonderful choice. I am partial to a sxs .410, but also love the absolute bare bones simplicity of the single shots. Not being experienced with the 28ga, I have often wondered if it might serve better over a slightly larger range of small game.
Yes, good video and you've hit the nail right on the head.
My first rifle was a .22 single shot bolt action, my second one, well actually a shotgun, was a .410, just like the break barrel you show here, except is was made by Cooey in Canada.
Great guns!
Hopefully people will begin to appreciate how versatile a gun it is. My goto is a 500 Mossie pump. 20 years ago a smith customized it for me. It has bullet molds, modified .42 Colt and a round ball mold sized to work with the screw in choke made for it. It is essentially a paradox gun.
The bullet weighs in at 220 grains.
At 100 yards with the slightly modified bead a apple sized target can easily be hit.
The gun takes no effort to carry and a pocket full or small bandolier with mixed loads can have you ready for just about anything.
I once showed up at a trap range, some ink in the sky soon dispelled any doubts.
The recoil is negligible which adds to the positives substantially.
Great videos!
Thank you for making some very valid points about this shotgun gauge. I find the 410 indispensable for real world needs. My first shotgun was a Stevens 311 H 410 side by side. I took many mallards and geese with it by the age of 14. It's still in my vault.
Amazing ZH - not many of us wise enough to keep the memorable guns - including me. The .410 double goes for top dollar these days. Good shooting BTW - ducks and geese with the .410 is true skill.
My favorite is my H&R 410. My wife loves her Mossberg 500 410. We have a small farm and find the 410 to be the most versatile gun to bring out on chores. From coyote to weasel it just works.
Hi Craig! Glad you hear your experience is the same. I find the .410 so useful - especially when I was younger and was in places - like farms - where things needed to be done. Such as a colony of rats under the porch. They're so fast - but the .410 was faster. The .22 shot was just too small and sparse. God Bless.
I've noticed the price of 410s at auction going up. The opening video of you shooting is a nice touch! Gets better every time!
Thanks Jonathan!
My must have is an OU 20 gauge. Great for clays and light enough for the field.
Perfect
G'Day from Australia,
I always enjoy watching your videos and this one about the must have .410 shotgun is no exception. After over 50 years of lugging around various 12 gauge shotguns for rabbit hunting, I bought a single barrel Boito .410 shotgun last year. What a difference---the little shotgun is a joy to carry and shoot. I restrict my shots to 30 yards or less and I can usually bring home a bunny or two. I think I may have been bitten by the " .410 Bug "! I've also bought a lovely folding Belgian single barrel .410, .410/12 gauge chamber adapters and a Savage Fourtener,. These latter two I use in my single and double barrel 12 gauges. I'd really like a pump action .410 shotgun but here in OZ, we cannot own pump action or semi-auto shotguns, although we can have pump action rifles but not semi-auto rifles of any calibre. Don't try to figure out the logic!
I've often wondered about taping rifle sights on to my single barrel 12 gauge shotgun. I don't really want to permanently attach sights to it. I've had it since my mid teens and it would feel like harming an old friend! Have you any ideas on a brand of sights that might be suitable for taping on? We are now permitted to use a shotgun with slugs for deer but the barrel must have front and rear sights or an optic, not just a bead.
This comment has ended up a bit long--sorry. I look forward to watching more of your fine videos.
Cheers,
Steve
Good show. I have been trying to sell people on the 410 for years. It is a lot better then folks think.
That makes 2 of us. From rats to geese, to coyotes, tin cans and even deer in a pinch; within its range - the .410 does it all. Thanks for writing.
One of my favorite guns is my simple single shot H&R 20 gauge. It’s very robust but still very lite.
A friend of mine just gave me an NEF Pardner 20ga.
I really like 410s. They are under-appreciated, I think. This SS is outstanding.
My choice would be either my OU 12ga or my takedown 10/22. But that bolt action .410 is pretty sweet.
Love 410's and any breakdown single shot shotgun Very dependable
Great video, I've got both a Sears single shot, and a Mossberg 183D bolt action, two of my favorite guns.
I don't know if I agree about the $80 though, those are getting downright hard to find around here. I was lucky to have had both handed down to me years ago myself but I've been looking high and low for a deal on another bolt action 410 for years.
I've also got a Stevens 940E in .410, also a single shot that was given to me new in the box a few years ago.
I concur totally underrated The .410 is Great for all reasons you mentioned- Thanks for most interesting video-
Excellent points. One thing I would add though is a No.4 pellet coming out of a 410 at 1100 fps has the same muzzle energy as a No.4 pellet coming out of a 12 gauge at 1100 fps. There are just pellets over all.
Well said Jake - a pellet is a pellet and velocity if velocity : )
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I agree and you brought something up about the shot column from a 410 being more linear than the larger gauges. I hadn't thought about it but when my son killed a deer with his 410 with 000 buckshot (3 .36 cal pellets) it dropped it DRT.
Those 3 pellets were evenly spaced along the body, 1 in the neck, 1 in the lungs, 1in the hindquarters. If the deer was moving a linear shot column makes sense with how it worked out.
Hey it's me again Mike. Another fine video. Good, simple explanation of the shot string and how it affects the pattern. I started hunting with an Ithaca model 66 Super Single 20 gauge. I still believe it is the best gauge to start hunting with. Definitely has more pellets in the pattern at any given range making it easier to make good,. clean kills. Recoil is not hard to manage with proper training in shooting. Being relaxed and not worrying all the school yard BS about how it's going to knock you down. I started shooting with a 22 single shot but the first shotgun I ever shot was my dad's 16 gauge Remington 11-48 at around nine or ten years old. I had no problems shooting it at stationary targets because Dad got me ued to the noise by watching him shoot and telling me the recoil wasn't going to knock me down or hurt me. Of course it was too heavy for me to carry, so when I was old enough to go pheasant hunting with the adults at about age 12 or 13 and he could afford it, he got the Ithaca for me. It had a 3inch chamber so could use it on squirrels, rabbits, pheasants and ducks. I wish I had it back.
Great post! A 20 Gauge single is all one really needs. The Ithaca 66 is a collectors item now - as you likely know.
Over the years I have owned several .410 shotguns, what are they good for? This is a great small game round for rabbits and squirrel. I shot a rabbit with a 12 gauge and is way too destructive. I knew an older lady who kept one for varmints that were killing her ducks, single shot .410. Good for shooting rattlesnakes and cotton mouths she had on her property now and then. In areas where small game is abundant you will never go hungry for sure. More useful than many may consider, I was even able to shoot birds but you had to know your range and it was more limited due to smaller bore and shot charge. Neat review.
I agree - the .410 is useful far beyond what many people think - and so effective.
I think for a "one gun fits all" sort of thing, the Savage Model 24 comes pretty close, and even closer are the 24V models, which are various centerfire calibers and 20 gauge shotgun barrels. I have a 24V in .357 Magnum over 20 gauge, which gives me 2 different handgun calibers (.38 Spl. and .357 Mag.) with a variety of loadings, and another great variety of ammunition for the 20 gauge, from light field/target loads, upland game loads, and slugs. These guns will do just about anything you need them for. The ultimate survival gun.
I love the logic in this video, I don't have a .410, but hope to have one one day. I do enjoy comparing different guns, as science and recreational as well. I had bought a Marlin 1895 CB in 45 70 and enjoy shooting it. But the ammo is expensive and I thought I would get my self a Marlin 1894 CB in 357 M for recreational shooting. I must say that the 357 M/38 Special in my testing can be very powerful or quite mild in a 20 inch barrel depending on the ammo. My penetration tests were surprising with some 357 commercial loads, excellent results. So I can easily believe that the .410 is a useful shotgun with it's range of loading's available.
Very interesting information. Never considered the 410 before. Now on the radar screen. Great points. Thanks!
Hi Rick - hope you get one soon - have a super weekend!
My brother and I had lots of fun with his j.c.higgens 410 bolt action, this video brought back some great memories.
Great idea. 410 with all brass shell, say Magtech, can be an excellent way to make inexpensive and re-loadable cartridges. Though you could even convert 303 cases, 444 marlin cases. Google the topic.
An all brass .410 slug load really sounds like a ultra long 45LC, but in .41 caliber. So worth investigating.
Very interesting! Thanks for sending.
stephane matis A 410 rifle . That’s how I was taught to say it. “ It’s not a shotgun!” . Ya a brass case with 3 40ish cal balls loaded up with nitro is just as deadly as a 444/45/70/ 450 marlin . Especially if you have a rifles choke tube on it , even with a regular choke the accuracy is very good . Just back down on the powder when you see the primers start to flatten out. Also make sure the balls are in direct contact with one another! We cut a flat spot on them to give more surface area . So powder / card / buffer card / bullets hard card and crimp. We only used them in brake action H nR rifles . Never hurt us or them . Some things are easier when you grow up 15 miles away from the factory that produced 75% of the ordnance powder used by the allies in WW2 . TNT Armament Mason Co WVa . I believe the Nobel family ( along with the government) owned and operated it . It’s now called. McClintic Wildlife Preserve . A chemical wasteland concealed by natural forest growth. Still the old timers taught us kids in thec70’s 80’s a lot of stuff that could get one into trouble. Things like lift blast and flash powder prep. And how to make the stronger stuff as well.
I've always wanted a nice little .410 O/U.
I purchased a gorgeous little .410 SBS from Stoeger. They’re solid guns for the money.
I have a Savage model 24, 22/410 over under that I inherited from my Father. One of my absolute favorite guns.
I think I mentioned in one of your other videos but I have a Stevens single shot and a Mossberg bolt action with a blind magazine .410. My first firearm my dad bought for me and my brother was a Revelation single shot. Shot many rounds through it.
The .410 in popular culture, from the country song, "The Road Goes on Forever, and the Party Never Ends": "She stepped into the alley with a single shot .410." The song is about an outlaw couple, and I find it interesting that the writer decided on a .410 as the gun of choice. Reminds me of a side by side .410 Lefever that my friend used to own, but his ex-wife ended up with it. He was okay with her taking the Marlin .30-30 with a Williams receiver sight that she used to shoot deer, but losing the .410 bothered him. They used it on grouse and squirrels. Your videos really bring back the memories for me.
Hi Tim, That .410 Lefever is a gem; I can understand the feeling of loss. I looked for one for a long time and then realized I'll just have to wait until a decent one shows up - looking just made them more scarce - kind of like deer hunting : )
Fantastic video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much!
Yes. I can definitely understand the variations of use. I had a Steven’s in 20 ga. That would possibly be more versatile. I always had a heck of a time hitting doves past 25 yards with a 410.
Same for me Aaron - the pattern gets pretty thin, pretty fast for the .410
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You are so right about the .410 bore. I lived in the country for 38 years and shot the .410 as much as any .22. You're right about those slugs, think they weigh 88 grains and run around 1500 - 1600 ft/sec. It's really a versatile bore. First .410 was an 870, next came the 1100 Remington came out with back when (hold your nose) Clinton was in office. SOB
I've always liked that 1100 in .410 - probably my favorite 1100. I had one and installed some decent iron sights on the rib with epoxy. I was surprised that the sights stayed on - even through much use and recoil. I shot a lot of slugs though that gun and it collected a number of coyotes. Eventually the time came to sell and I had to use a torch to heat up the epoxy to get it to break free. Not too hot though. Thanks for writing. Have a Merry Christmas!
At age 8 my first firearm was a Ted Williams (Sears) single shot bolt action shotgun. At 18 my brother wanted a shotgun and I wanted a .22 (he had a Stevens Model 15 single shot) so we swapped (I had bought a 12 gauge double barreled shotgun from a neighbor). That .410 shotgun killed tons of squirrels, rabbits, and a woodcock to my knowledge. My stepmother's father (a farmer) swore by the .410. He hated the 12 gauge but bought one after the state of Missouri changed the game laws on what was permitted for turkey and deer (.410 was not allowed). A couple years ago I found a twin of my .410 at an auction in beautiful condition and it went home with me. I would say that the one "must have gun" should be a Savage model 24 in .22 over .410. My uncle had on of those and swore by it. Thanks for the video!!!
Hi Daniel - That Savage 24 would be perfect - but so few around and they are sooo expensive. The new Model 42 is not much of a replacement for the 24 - as you know. Glad you found the gun at auction!
My first shotgun was a Savage single barrel .410 as a youngster. It took me a long time to learn to wing shoot with it. Aftrr learning profiency with a .410 my wing clay bird shooting with a 12 ga. Improved by leaps and bounds. I did trade it for an H&R 20 ga. With invector chokes. A 20 Ga. is much more versatile than a .410 but I still keep a model 500 .410 handy for home defense. Peace
Hi again, sorry I'm late with my post ,you have just brought back great memories, as a 10yr old boy in 1960 in England I opened a box on Christmas day and ther it was a Cooey 410 which I cherished and loved for many years eventually giving it away !..having been fortunate enough to have owned many many exspencive guns over the years. This gun along with a secondhand 1965 browninga1 trap (I think you call this model a standard superposed plain black action not pigeon grade ) bring back the most wonderfull memories .Have a great and prosperous New year .
From your friend the old Sage .
Hi Gerald! Great to hear from you! I'm glad the video reminded of earlier days - happens to me often. I collect old hunting, adventure (Biggles) and exploration books and found a few treasures recently. The reason I mention this is that the old books deal with hunting and guns in the UK - back to the 1850s. I had no idea what great hunting and sport and sportsmanship the UK had. I use the past tense based on what I am told by viewers who write me from the UK. Of course - there is still much going on and good hunting - but a dramatic abbreviation of days gone by. I suppose it happens just about everywhere. Fantastic firearms heritage and a stunning landscape and wonderful people in the UK. The very best to you.
I think I'd have to agree with you on the .410, a welcome addition to any collection .I like to reload it too , fun time killer, lol
Whilst I would agree about the utter reliability of a break open single shot, I respectfully would have to agree to disagree on the .410 as the one must have. I like .410s and have even bought an H&R youth model with a cut-down 20" barrel for my 13 year old, 90 pound granddaughter to supplement her Bear bow. However, if push came to shove, I'd opt for the same platform but in 20. To which, I'd add a 6" (or longer) cartridge adapter in perhaps .38/.357, or maybe 9mm. While obviously not for 100 meter targets, it would be useful enough at 50 to 75 feet. The 20 bore ammo is so much more powerful and easier to find at so much lower cost than .410. But, I do concede most of your other points in the video. I "discovered" your channel a month ago at home while recovering from Covid-19. Keep up the great work.
My Hushpower mossberg 410 is now my most used. It’s my default pigeon gun. Certainly rewarding roost shooting with it. Cartridges take up little room too.
Perfect example of how useful the .410 is.
First off your producers did a nice job with the opening. It is straight to the point without becoming something that is so long that it is skipped by the viewer.
For myself, if I had to pick one gun that I "must have" it would be my first firearm. That gun is a Winchester Model 9422 that my parent's got me as a Christmas gift.
With regard to the selection of a .410 shotgun for those who are limited to one gun it is hard to argue against it. One can do quite a bit with them and there are quite a few cool firearms that come in that gauge such as the Winchester Model 9410 or Winchester Model 42 (I don't have either).
My goodness. You must be one of the luck few, if not the only lucky one to get a 9422 for Christmas! Such great parents! I sent letters to Winchester to please make a run of 9410s - I know a fellow who uses his 9410 for everything and seems to collect everything too. The 42 is a gem - as you know.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Extremely lucky! The story behind what I consider to be my first firearm starts with being given on Christmas day an entirely different gun. It was a Marlin Model 81TS, and my dad bought it around Thanksgiving in Bozeman, Montana after he had asked me questions about what I thought I liked in a rifle. Well, that Marlin had serious mechanical issues from the very beginning so my father sent it to them to be fixed. Instead of fixing it, they sent it back with a note saying if the problems occurred again that the solution was to use a knife to solve them. Well, he called them up telling Marlin about how their fix violated their own Marlin safety code and so they gave him three options. The first was to return the gun to be fixed, the second was to be given a replacement gun, and the third was to be given a full refund. He opted for the full refund.
After he got the refund, he and I went to numerous gun shops where we handled .22 rifles from Henry's to Remington's. It was when we both handled a Winchester Model 9422 that we knew we had found the right .22 rifle make and model. After that it was just finding one with a walnut stock that had figuring we both liked and that happened in Livingston, Montana. With regard to "great parents" you are right. It isn't everyday that parents go from a $150 gun to a $450 gun for a Christmas gift.
So what I consider to be my first firearm may not have been unwrapped under a Christmas Tree, but the experience of going though the search to find the right .22 rifle for Christmas was even better.
I would love to see Winchester bring back the 9410 and 9422 lines of shotguns and rifles. Unfortunately I don't see the market forces they succumbed to changing anytime soon. Thus, much like their pre-64 ancestors they now belong to the ages.
I believe your logic is sound. I have contemplated the same question, and I have to say I agree. I haven’t come up with a more situationally better firearm for that question. I very much like those light bolt action Savage shotguns. You are correct in your description of the shot pattern and fundamentals of using a .410 with foul. Surprisingly I do not own a .410 and haven’t for some time. I gave mine to the son of a friend years ago. I’m going to get a couple. Now I want a CZ O/U and a Savage bolt action.
Very well thought out, explained and presented. Cheers.
Thanks Aaron - more to come on the .410 : )
I love the 410s but avoided them because the ammo cost. In the South here every house used to have at least one 410. It really makes me wonder what happened to them all. It's something we don't see in pawn shops or the second hand markets.
I bought my son a Stoeger single shot for Christmas last year and if would've checked the price of the shells first he would have gotten something else, maybe a 20ga.
Yup, brutal cost which is a real bummer considering how great they are.
.410 is one shotgun shell that it really pays to reload.
At least for now, the price of factory load 12 and 20 gauge is so good that it's just about impossible to beat it, at least with bird shot loads.
That Sears .410 is basically a Cooey. Cooey was bought by Winchester in 1968. They slapped all kinds of model names on the cooey designs. For example, the Cooey model 37a was One name for the single shot 12 gauge in Canada, (made by Winchester Canada at the cobourg Ontario plant. Same gun was marketed as the Winchester 840. I looked it up and the Sears 684 is the Cooey design. The hinge release is ambidextrous. Great little action. Super reliable. The fit and finish was low. These were cheap guns. But quantity has a quality of its own, and there loads of these guns in use in the bush.
There is still a Cooey company design in production, the savage 64 .22 made in Lakefield Ontario. That’s a bit of modest Canadian firearms history. Cooey’s are well loved here.
Thank you! I have the 64 and it seems to me I remember the Canadian version - with aluminum magazine. I own a Tobin shotgun - quite fine - a sidelock - Made in Canada.
I bought each of my sons a single shot 410 for their first gun. Excellent gun to learn on. They bought the rest of their guns themselves. 410 slugs or buckshot can easily take a deer.
Excellent video sir! On the much maligned .410 bore. Loved your description of the long shot pattern, too. I have noticed as I age, I seem to appreciate smaller gauges, bores, and calibers so much more! Bigger is no longer better. At least for me! I wish more people could learn to appreciate .410 bore shotguns. Maybe the price of shells could come down a bit! Or maybe I need to get back into reloading after 50 years.
Thanks for the note Michael - many letters I receive agree with you - the smaller gauges are quite special and mostly sufficient. Waterfowl hunters like and often need the big gauges for heavy ducks and geese at a distance.
That 3rd casing in the opening fell right back into your chamber
Less is more, this was a great example.
Love the opening!
Thanks! Wish I had something to do with it - I'm just not smart enough yet. Haha ; )
Absolutely... I have all kinds of guns,, and out of all of them, when I head out the door on my farm, The H&R 410 single shot is the one I grab the most.. Its the all around best hunting gun and bird gun.. I was invited pheasant hunting once by some people I didnt know well and you should have seen the look on their faces when I pulled out my single shot 410 and all of them had 12G pumps.. Guess who was the only one to go home with their limit.??? I wouldnt trade my 410 for the world. I would love a 410 pump or a bolt action like you have, thats very nice, but even so, I love mine..
That is one of my one gun choices also. The top of my one one gun choices is a European shotgun with a rifle barrel below the shotgun barrels. My favorite is a 16 ga break action with an 8mm rimmed cartridge below. If I was to make an American triple barrel break. I would have a 12 ga barrel with a 30-06 next to, I would have the 30-06 on the starboard side, the a 22 WMR in between and above not below the double barrels. I think that would be all encompassing, and completely versatile especially for a hand loader.
Savage model 24, .22 LR on top and 20 ga. on the bottom. Can shoot bunnies, squirrels, birds, even deer with a slug. Doesn't get more versatile than that.
I agree Dean
I keep my eye out for a deal on a 410. Probably a single shot or a pump. I like the 20 gauge as well, its enough gun to fit many roles. Ive shot many, many doves, rabbits, squirrel and deer with a 20gauge. Ive even took a few coyotes with one.
There it is - many have no idea.
20 ga. For me. Mine is an 870 with 2 barrels. One 20" fully rifled, and one 21" barrel with Remchokes.
I use a 12 single with adapters that take it down to 20 and 410 they work just fine. Makes it for more versatility.
Such flexibility with adapters - I should talk about them more.
In Asia, governments always say “must have no guns”.
Not only guns owning, other strict & unreasonable control still exists in Asia.
For example:
1. Buying a kitchen knife must be real name registered & wrapped up it then bring back home. Government has files showed every family how many kitchen knives owning.
2. A cook sent a kitchen knife to be sharpened then put it in his bag, and took MRT to restaurant to work at morning, he got arrested, convicted against society security.
3. A woman picked up a cartridge in the street, she took it to police station, she assumed it would be all right but got accused, she paid very expensive lawyer fee & spent time in court to prove that cartridge was not owned by her, otherwise she must be put in jail for many years.
4. Police can check every person in streets, use hands to check every male or female people, can take off people’s clothes, underwear or strip any person, including female people to be nude to check them in public place.
5. Police or soldier can catch any person to check and beat them without reason.
6. Police can catch any one who is assumed to be suspect, if there’s no testimony, confession, hit & torture people till get signature & fingers print, then sent people to court & jail. Many innocent people got arrested & tortured; a young girl was nothing concerned with a criminal case, police caught her without reason, beat & tortured her, rode her, used a stick to dig her vagina & got bleeding & screaming. Can you imagine it happened in a area that government said itself is democratic?
A lot of strict & unreasonable control, even totalitarian ruling still exists in Asia; even those governments declared democracy, freedom and human right, still doing those things & control; “iron cover” still exists.
If you go to Asia, you’ll find governments’ goal is “there’s no any gun in civil”, “only rulers can own guns privately”. Their thinking is “I’m ruler, you must be ruled by me.”; “I can, but you can’t”; “I’m on the top, you are peanut”. So got a word short about rulers’ thinking & doing : “civil people can not own gun at all, don’t do it, don’t argue with me, otherwise you’ll get punished”.
An armed civilian is a citizen. A disarmed civilian is a subject--or worse, a slave. Everyone living in the U.S. should read this and be thankful for our Bill of Rights. I still have family in England, and they've told me that we have it made in the U.S.
@@moeshipley4170 Thank you for your response. You’re happy & blessed.
But Asia people are not, need US, UK & all European countries’ help, let them get real democracy, freedom and human right. Of course, armed should be the first.
Nice video, Mike! I enjoy all of them!
Rossi sells single shot, dual caliber, .410/.22 via changeable barrels. Paid $159 USD at Dick's Sporting Goods new. The inexperienced sales person tried to do paperwork as two firearms until he was replaced by a more knowledgeable staff. Seems like a perfect survival tool, and, of course it easily breaks down for compact carry. Comes with carrying case.
I didn't know Robert - thanks for telling us. Rossi makes fine firearms - in Brazil I think.
Is that a Winchester Cooey, made in Canada? Kudos if it is. I have a couple and there is nothing wrong with a inexpensive, reliable single shot that is built like a tank. And .410 is really food for thought as a go to round. Like the new intro BTW
Hi Garald - this one says " Sears Model 684 Full Choke Made in Canada for Simpsons and Sears" - probably the same or very similar gun to the Cooey. Thanks for noticing the intro.! Have a great weekend.
My 410 is a stoeger condor love it
You bet - that is a great one.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns yes sir I got one of their uplander 28 ga doubles a month later they're wonderful shooting guns
my first gun was Grandpas ole .410/.22 ! i loved the added challenge of hunting ground hogs with the .410 ..... anyone can snipe them off with the newest zipity bla bla and super scope.... and if you get them before dandylions are out, dang good eats! Ewww you eat.... lol, they only eat the choice blades of grass ole cows eat ..... luv yer vids!! cheers from Canada!
Thank you! I had no idea.
My must have gun would be an old Stevens 22/410 over and under. I carried one a lot as a kid and it allow me to shoot squirrels or quail, depending on what I saw in the woods, by just changing the selector.
My grandpa had one of those, they are a model 24. Before he passed, he gave it to one of his buddies. I think i might know the one, and may try to track it down.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill I liked it as a kid. Single shot, break open with a hammer and open sights. I killed many squirrel, rabbit and quail with it. I also carried a few 410 slugs in my pocket in case I needed a bigger punch on something.
You bet - that Stevens is legend! Savage brought out something really weird to fill the demand for the old ones which are quite expensive now. But my goodness - have a look at the new one - I think Model 42. Maybe it is excellent but what a collection of parts and plastic. I don't like saying negative things or even having negative thoughts - but I'll take the Stevens old one 10 times out of 10.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I could not agree with you more. I have looked at the new ones and after having used the old Stevens, I was very disappointed in the build quality. I absolutely love that old Stevens and still shoot it whenever I get the chance.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I first learned of the Savage Model 24 in an ad for Savage/Stevens in an old Boy Scout Handbook that is from the early sixties. I thought the idea was pretty nifty and certainly different from the competition. It also shows that the Marlin Golden 39-A sold for $78.50 and Winchester 22's started at $17.95! So many great guns and no one gave a second thought that advertising them to kids was bad. Yet, if that occurred today people would freak out and launch online protests.
Savage 24v in 30-30/20 gauge with either a hammond game getter or short lane. 22LR insert covers all bases in one gun. If only they made slugs for 28 gauge. For me that's the perfect single shot gauge otherwise
I forgot to add I have a stoeger abs 410. I want to get a rifled 22 or insert for 1 of the barrels. I wouldn't recommend shooting deer unless really needed with it either, but I have known several people personally who have successfully killed then with 410 slugs outside far as 65 yes. Thank you again for another great logical and informative video. I like your calm style. Have a good day.
Sbs 410. Out as far as 65 yes. So much for spell check and not proofreading. Sorry.
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Hi Bill, I like the insert idea and you're right about the slugs; there are better ways to go but if need be - they work in the right hands.
Real nice programs,Sir.
Just picked up my Father's old 20 ga. Ithaca Model 37 pump action. Needed a bit of cleaning, but it is just a fantastic little shotgun. Was never impressed with a 410 because it is too small.
Hi John - That is a top shotgun in my rack. Something about the 20 in the 37 - it's magic! I saw one with a shot barrel and another with a slug barrel in 20 - both are superb! Good shooting and take care.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thanks. I was thinking of getting another barrel for slugs or home defense. Love the Model 37, just feels better than my 12 ga. Remington 870.
The single shot 12g. is a thing of beauty. Having said that, any shotgun is a thing of beauty. They have the widest range of uses of all the firearms. Having seen your video on the dangerous game calibres' I have come to the conclusion that I need one of those too. the only problem is that we have no dangerous game in N Z. so they may be impossible to find here.
Hi James - well written; and it didn't occur to me - but so true - no lions in NZ. How about those buffalo in Australia? I knew a fellow that went chasing them with a Ruger #1 in .405 Winchester - great hunt.
Thank you sir for dispelling the rumor of pattern size. Yes, one must lead a bird a bit more with the 410. I learned to shoot waterfowl with a 410. IMHO it made me a better shot. They are an indispensable gun on the farm or the field.
We're in the same boat. I had the same experience and the .410 on ducks is fine - I just waited a little longer for them to come in and passed on long shots. So smart - the long lead - it is a longer shot column. I have no scientific proof but I'm fairly certain that when I was at my best with the .410 the first pellets at the front of the shot column arrived and hit the duck which usually slowed the bird - allowing the other pellets to arrive on target. I may be imaging this - but it sure seemed that way.
Great 👍 video ! Thank you 😊.
Thanks for watching Charles!
Your bolt action .410 is quite similar to my first personal firearm. On my 12th birthday I was given a Stevens/Savage Arms bolt action with a tubular magazine. I still have that shotgun.
I think I know that one Rich - I like the tubular mag.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Great, it's the model 59a.
I like the 10 guage 3 1/2 shells for aerials.
Why not a Drilling? I have one Sauer & Sohn in 16x16/30-06 and is great as “must have gun” perfect for anything! Excellent for survival in any situation. God video, thank you.
Great point Roderick - those drillings can do anything.
Such a good take on the .410!! I could not agree more.
in africa the gun of the common person is a Baikal single shot 12 guage . 12 ga is universally available ammo. my ancestors in the hills of applicia usually had only 2 guns a 22 single shot and a single shot shotgun. they are completely durable and reliable . they hunted everything from quail to bear with the shotgun. the 22 was for shooting pests , snakes and killing hogs to butchering. the slugs are absolutely capable to 50 yds . i have see deer killed with them . The new 000 buckshot loads are absolutely crushing out to 30 yds . 5 - 36cal pellets at 1100fps thats a lot of whack .
When I was a lad, my friend would go small game hunting with his dad and his uncle and they all used 410’s.
First animal I ever took was with a single shot sears .410! I lent it to my cousin to let his kids learn how to hunt with it but will be taking it back any year now.
They do it all and have started countless hunting lives. It will be nice when yours returns home. All the best.
Excellent idea! Another underestimated caliber. I really enjoy hunting with my side by side.With 3" shells and slugs, there's plenty of applications for it round here.
You've got what I'm looking for. I almost bought a Turkish SXS but the barrels were too long. I'd like one with 24" barrels - just about an ultra-lightweight double "rifle."
My gun of choice would be Mossberg 590A1 12 gauge pump shotgun.
Home defense.YES.
Nice intro, short and to the point. I wonder, did you intend to line up a downbeat of the music with the first shot you fire? Cool either way.
You make a good case for the .410 and for simple firearms, which I'm finding value in the older I get. Just found a Mossberg 185k-a the other day, looking forward to trying it.
Hi SmokeDog - I'm not smart enough to do the tech stuff - music and editing and all : ) Thanks for noticing though - my producers are working hard to take my out of the cave. Have a super weekend.
If you are actually hunting to put game on the table, there is far less damage to the meat with a .410 And if you fire a lot, you can move your arm and shoulder freely the next day.
I started hunting with a Mossberg 410 bolt action. It loads like a Mauser.
One of the best - and so inexpensive on the used market....for now
My Mother is known in My Hometown of Lockhart ,TX ; as :” The Crackhead Killer” , due to 4 separate incidents where she had to employ deadly force by means of a fire arm . The last time a drug addled zombie sleep walker in his own mental apocalypse , attempted to force his way into Her Home :Ma’ hit the trespasser with one of the 410 Winchester Defender loads that I bought Her by the crate along with the beautiful bolt action Weatherby I purchased for Her ... a thigh shot the size of a clay pigeon , through and through .... yet He managed to back pedal and slip ( He was that tall) rather than leap , over a neighbors fence ; Where The Good Lads of LPD were already waiting... something about He made a threatening motion ... 3 nine millimeters to the center of the chest in a misers’ grip tight group did what a few seconds more would have finished .The fellow was nearly bled out from that heinous hyena bite that those dastardly Winchester Threat Stoppers are known to inflict ... Yes, I firmly subscribe to the wisdom of the 410 ... Men have rode rivers and tamed the lands with less.
Hi Richard - sounds like material for movie of the week. Amazing. I'd contact a production company or screenwriter. "mental apocalypse" - fantastic. As for the .410 - absolutely one of the most useful and proven of all.
USOG :Im telling You : I was away from home for almost 20 years ; and when I returned like a weary Tom Wolf , The first thing I start hearing around the hearth , as I passed a jug with My Brethren , was: “ ... A lot has happened since You’ve been gone ,Brother ... first time : Ma’ used Baby Sisters’ .22 tube loader ... she had to pump all 18 into that first one then go at him with a machete before He stopped charging ...the last two weren’t so spectacular . Ma’ went for the 30 30 The next time ...Sheriff Said: “ They , don’t learn , do they ?” They don’t . Last one : Ma’ shot right through the door one good kick away from crashing down , right as the bastard was coming down on it with his size 14 sneaker ... took him under the chin and left a mess behind him ...” and I’m thinking : “ This must be hyperbole ! Pure unadulterated Exaggeration! “ but the more Peace Officers I encountered , most of Whom I’d attended School with , all verified My Mothers claims... and then about 2 and a half years ago , Me and My wife were staying over for the Holidays , when the last incident occurred , involving the 410 that I had given Her the Christmas past .
Amazing Richard - paper and pen or keyboard and send to Netflix. Terrifying and real.
Nice pick for if you could only have one gun, but what is your favorite gun? It could be your favorite to shoot or your favorite piece in your collection just to admire for its looks or build quality. It is probably an unfair question because even in my small collection my answer can change from time to time. If I had to choose right now it would be my Mosin M44 carbine for my rifle and my glossy blued Walther P-38 (actually an early P1) for pistol.
Hagn Mini Action carbine in .223 - an absolute masterpiece.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Is there a company that puts these rifles together or do you have a skilled friend who does custom gun builds for you?
Oh, I see Hagn does them, of course.
My must-haves are one of everything😄
Much better : )
Thanks for the interesting cements about the 410
It's so useful Simon. Take care.
To add another level of usefulness, you could purchase a full set of Short Lane adaptors and have the ability to shoot almost any pistol rounds through your single shot shotgun. (20 and 12 gauge)
Excellent idea - I forgot about inserts.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns This was a great video. The old H&R Toppers break apart, and the "Survival" guy here on RUclips did a video years back on how to reload the hulls in black powder for extended re-use. A most excellent choice for a "one-gun" thought experimemt. Have a great day, and thanks for posting this.
.410 is also an excellent round for dispatching snakes.
Great video... I would've never thought of a 410 as the must have. I can see 12gauge or a 22. Honestly I would go with a 22 semiauto rifle like a Marlin model 60 if I could only own 1 firearm. you can still shoot doves off branches/powerlines with a 22 all day long.
Hi Lenox - I like the Marlin 60 as well - and .22s are versatile; the .410 just covers more ground : )
@Art Anson In Scandinavia and Finland people shoot Capercallie (a large grouse like creature) in the trees with high power center fire rifles with no problems at all! ;)
Was that an 8 or 81 in the intro I've got an early 81 in 35 rem and love it
8 - and I love that gun - unbelievably fine rifle : ) - glad you have one as well.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I an as well it shoots beautifully