Lake County teacher quitting after 20 years, says teaching is a 'toxic profession'
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2019
- After 20 years in teaching, one Lake County man said he's done. He took to Facebook, calling teaching a 'toxic profession.' STORY: bit.ly/2POH32U
Sadly, it’s not just about low pay anymore; it’s about maintaining your sanity 🤦🏾♂️
That is ANY job! Unless u work for a greatly rated co. I sub teach and you should try call center jobs if u are think teaching is bad for sanity! HA. Call centers are torture.
Schools are letting students run the schools now, and the board is too busy worrying about test scores over real education being taught by teachers. A few more decades, and teachers will be on short supply. They don't pay them enough for all the headaches they go through.
They could pay me millions on top of millions but there is no way that I would go back into the classroom. I mean, in today's world, there is a matter of self-respect to consider in regard to classroom teaching, particuallry in public secondary schools.
Who cares! Take there ass back to work
@@Mr.11_Oracle It's "their" you moron. Looks like you should take YOUR ASS back to 2nd grade and learn that. Stay quiet now, junior.
@@ems3832 🤣🤣
I’m from Texas, and there’s already a huge shortage, especially because of the working conditions teachers have to go through during COVID. I’m not surprised if the shortage grows more to be honest.
I have been in education 13 years and I am jumping ship, going into retail management. Teaching is just no fun anymore, and there is absolutely no consequences for bad behavior.
every job is like that man, teaching is nothing compared to emergency services who have to work 24/7 around the clock not like teachers who get public holidays and weekends off
@@Gencturk92 Teaching has its own stresses and they are getting more and more intense.
@@jaedo71 and like i said its like that everywhere now, i dont about america i live in UK we have the same problem here, but is teaching really that bad in america ? maybe some states are good i dont know
I have the belief that this is possibly THE fundamental problem for teachers. Good teachers do incredible things without a great deal of resources, but refusing to expel bad students has caused the breakdown of the public education system.
@@Gencturk92 Teaching is not bad then
Students are here in America
As a special needs student, public schools are toxic for me. I am proud for this guy speaking up about it. I can't imagine that.
Best decision I ever made was leaving teaching.
I'm guessing it was because the parents and students were all wonderful to work for 😉
Ben Marshall 😉
@@benmarshall5771 well every job has ups and downs right ? look at police officers, firemens, paramedics, hospital staff, prison guards... all these jobs have ups and down aswell
@@Gencturk92 Absolutely. But I challenge you to work as a substitute teacher where the students make it a game to see how far they can push you. Or administrators blame you for little Johnny lying about going to the bathroom. Or getting banned from a school because kids didn't like the fact you made them do work. The field is a draconian rigged game.
@@EugeneAxe they are kids not adults, if you have misbehaving students then just report it to the headteacher and exclude them its that simple or give them detention
It is toxic. That is why I left. Lots of bullying from administration, and they are the ones who should know better. They are the ones who always take about anti-bullying policies.
Someone said no one ever regrets leaving teaching and that stayed with me.
Toxic indeed! We teachers did not test around the clock when we attended schools. Our teachers were not data analysts, but truly dedicated educators. We turned out really well. Take heed!
They’ll miss you when you’re gone..I’m sorry teachers are having to leave the job you worked hard to achieve and do.. You don’t deserve abuse, neglect, because parents aren’t doing their jobs, and I’m sure there is much more to this.. I do understand, that because parents are not doing their job in properly raising their children, you can’t do your job, and their jobs for them.. You surely don’t get paid enough now, much less adding the parents job to the list..
Thank you for yours,and all teachers..
My daughter will be home schooling her children..
God bless
Common core is trash
1+1=I don't care..
Susan great answer that's correct..
margybernard absolutely. This profession has become a joke. Everything is somehow always the teacher’s fault. It’s sheer manipulation and gaslighting. Feels like a constant barrage of abuse from both the students and the system
@@F5_cena lol
I have quit teaching for 6 months and it has been the best decision ever.
Did you find it hard finding another job? What industry did you transition to? Thanks
Can't teach if kids don't wanna learn.
After 23 years teaching in Kalifornia, I'm retiring and getting CDL and will drive a semi for my retirement job. I'm done.
I’m also leaving teaching after 23 years, going to be a supported housewife for awhile. I’m ok with it
lol. Hope you're not planning on owning your own company.
I am leaving after 11 years. I'm upset to say goodbye to a job I use to love but it has become extremely toxic. The state is taking money, requiring more test, less hours, and parents have even become more difficult. When you are hoping the building has flooded every morning so there won't be school it's time go.
Teachers are horrible. Good riddance.
I left education after 11 years too!
@@Student____2025__1 TROLL!!!
@@carollee6963 Ma’am, calm down, and please stop screaming. Behave appropriately.
@@Student____2025__1Hey troll, you must of been one of those behavior problems that every teacher had to deal with and your parent did not know the meaning of discipline. How dare you think he was a horrible teacher and good riddance. The best teachers are leaving the profession. My students had the highest scores in the school. Everyone passed the standardized testing at the end of the year. I had two students get Reader of the Year for the entire County for my grade level that I taught. I'm not shouting and not raising my voice. It is difficult to talk to a troll who doesn't understand what teachers in the public school system go through. Walk a mile in teachers shoes, then maybe just maybe you might have an ounce of understanding of what a teacher does each and everyday!
I don't blame him for leaving. Teaching is an extremely demanding and high-pressured profession.
Teachers have to teach their classes in such a short period of time, and they have to teach what the school districts and the states want them to teach. They just don't have time to deal with special needs students; nor to give them the individualized attention that they need. They are under a lot of pressure to teach and perform up to school district, state and federal standards. Even at the end of the day, their work is still not done. They have to grade papers at home. And there are parent-teacher conferences after school and in the evenings. They have to take harsh criticism and flack from the parents and the school administration. They have to deal out-of-control students! A lot teachers are also being verbally and physically assaulted by students. They shouldn't have to put up with this!
In my opinion, a public school education is nothing but a one-size-fits-all education. No. Come to think of it, it's a fact. I went to public school back in the 1960's, and the classes were big. (Catholic school classes back then were even larger.) I had emotional problems. I was crying and carrying on in class, and yelling at the teacher. Even my fourth grade teacher came to me one day and said that she was going to call my mother. And it was when I was in fourth grade that I cut class and I went to the school library instead. And of course, I got punished as well.
At the same time, the school felt that I needed a much smaller class. So after fourth grade, I got sent to special education school instead. There were no special education programs in the public schools back in the 60's.
The classes were much smaller. And as the years went by, I gradually stopped acting up in class, and I had more respect for the teachers. And besides, I was better off in special ed anyway. If I had stayed in public from fifth grade and all the way through high school, I wouldn't have made it.
But at least back then, the teachers maintained control of the classroom. Unfortunately today, there isn't. And I don't blame these teachers for leaving. The kids today are so out of control that it's not even funny. And there's just too many demands put on these teachers. When I hear about teacher burnout, they're not kidding. Like I said earlier, teachers don't need to be treated like this!
every job has positive and negative things its not just teachers you know but I rather be a teacher than policemen, paramedic, firemen.
Look at police officers who have to deal with riots like after George Floyd died or dangerous enviornments such as shootings and dangerous criminals, doctors in hospitals working 24/7 under pressure, firemen who have to risk their lives going inside burning buildings, paramedics who have to make sure they respond on time otherwise its too late for the patient...basically my point is every job has ups and down
@@elfulan0 yeah im pretty sure teachers are well aware of school environments aswell you know. Im not a teacher and even I know that, do you have to be a teacher to know this ?
teachers deal with kids while policemens deal with criminals and dangerous individuals and they have to work 24/7 around the clock unlike teachers who get weekends and public holidays off.
look at prison guards, they work with dangerous inmates, i would more fear these jobs than teachers.
look at train drivers who have ptsd when someone commits suicide on the train tracks, they quit their job because they cant carry on with it, even that's kind of stupid aswell but oh well.
@@Gencturk92 You're stupid and highly unempathetic. You shouldn't compare different jobs. They are all different and all require different set of skills.
@@Gencturk92 You realize they caused the rotests right by murdering him???
I became emotional when he stated, “I get to be the dad now.” I too am a teacher.❤️
Dang, it took him 20 years to figure that out. Kudos to him though
When he started 20 years ago teaching was a very different environment.
@@mocatree
It was crap then, too. Nothing has changed. It was toxic then and it's toxic now. Education is useless anymore. It used to be a good thing, now it's CRT, Wokeness and
proselytizing. There's nothing educational about education anymore. Politics have destroyed it(not that it was much to begin with).
Imagine being a retired teacher/administrator and being excited about taking your kid to something you hate because it's "required".
@@he_lives_in_apineapple_und9743 it's worse now idiot
@@he_lives_in_apineapple_und9743 LOL! bye Troll boring
Not only toxic, but paid miserably.
I started my education to become a college math teacher and after going to the prerequisites and receiving a few paychecks I figured out the deception....
Yeah with a PhD teaching at university you make what, 40k a year? You can be a P.A. and write scripts and make over $100K a year.
As a paraeducator I barely make 9k a year
@@andyokus5735 so true!!!
@@KatieGrady1997 As a teacher, 12k a year with student loans!
At the beginning of every school year, we were shown how our school performed in grades and test scores and how we as teachers didn't do a good enough job, even though we just about worked ourselves to death. I retired after 25 years of that horrible job. It is one of my life's biggest regrets. =(
Just from a workforce standpoint, the system is not sustainable. Ideally, you would have the new crop of teachers coming in and having a few years to get better and master their trade. This would allow good mentoring and preparation for when the older teachers retire. Ultimately the students win because they get high quality teachers. Today, new teachers are being thrown in without a lot of support by a system that is barely treading water. All levels are totally exhausted and it is literally every man for himself. My first year of teaching I was given no curriculum support even though we have a paid position for this reason. Not ONCE was I told where to get resources for my classes. I was observed twice for a total of fifteen minutes and never again was counseled or given support meetings. Now, I am a strong person but I can see how this could depress someone else. It's SAD! By the way, never in my life have I seen such laziness, disrespect, and apathy than from many of the students. It's a national disgrace.
A LETTER TO SCHOOL AUTHORITIES AND POLICY MAKERS.
To make the school teaching profession more productive and attractive please do the following:
1. The teaching load should not exceed 1000 minutes per week. That means 5 periods of 40 minutes duration per day. The rest of the time is for lesson planning, lesson preparation, marking assignments and tests etc. The total time including this should never exceed 8 hours per day.
2. Teaching should not be treated as a factory job. It is an intellectual job. So work life balance is very much essential.
3. Avoid unnecessary paperworks and data collection. This will distract teachers from their main task and focus area. Most of these types of works were found useless and will decrease the productivity of teachers. Teachers are there to teach and not for doing clerical jobs.
4. Avoid daily detailed lesson plans etc. Those are time consuming. They are alrady trained for that during their teachers training.
5. Avoid micromanagement. Trust the teachers.
6. Pay well at par with other professionals. Quality comes with money.
7. Stop "pleaseing the parents" attitude. They are not educationalists. Stick to the school policy.
8. Unnecessary parental involvement should be discouraged at any cost.
9. When a new system is introduced in a school, do not keep the old system.
10. Most of the lawmakers and policy makers in the education sector were never been teachers. This should not be allowed. Include experts in education at the law making and planning stage. This is a must.
Brilliant start!
After working both in law enforcement and education, what is making things toxic is the fact management has taken authority away from teachers and police. I'm 60, and when I was a kid, cops, parents, teachers, and adults in general were powerful. Not today. What is the result? Chaos.
They also pad the statistics and look the other way when it comes to bad behavior from minority students. Trust me. If there are "too many" suspensions or documentations of behavioral incidents involving minority students, the school (or district) gets flagged by the Dept. of Public Instruction. The result: over-empowered minority students saying all kinds of vile, racist things ("I don't have to listen to your f***ing white ass, bitch!") with impunity. The parents aren't much better, either. It's beyond insane....
Yeah, don’t include cops in that list. Until all the bad ones are held accountable for their abuse of the public, you can’t say they’ve lost any power. 🤦♀️
I resigned, June 2nd will be my last day. I am feeling a little uncertain about my next move but will persevere. Teaching has become a cruel, toxic, and abusive environment. I have always had good fortune in regard to admin. until I reached my current district. Teachers are demonized and teaching is the last thing they want you to do. While under consistent attack from admin and HR, for standing my ground during some of the most difficult days at the beginning of the pandemic I was determined to keep teaching. They may not destroy my integrity!
Don't worry, you'll be Ok. I am bk in school in a 2-year IT program. When I graduate I'll have a starting salary of $65-85K. When I left teaching, I was making only $45K with a MS, 4-certs, & some Ph.D. courses under my belt. So, goodbye teaching.
Find you passion, e.g., graphic design, IT, sales, etc.
@@d.h.dd.h.d.5230
Where did you teach? Where I live starting 1st year teacher salary with just a BA and credential makes about 60K a year.
@@Kotaro1326 FL
@D.H.D D.H.D.
I went and read all the comments in here and found out that you are from Florida. I really feel for you as someone who’s been in education for a long time as well.
You know it’s funny but mostly just plain sad. With the pandemic and substitute teacher pay being increased across the country I thought I do some research to see how the rest of the country fares with my area. I came across an area called Escambria County School District in Florida...and to say that the pay at Escambria is insulting to substitute teachers is an understatement, it’s downright criminal...and that was after a 15.6 percent pay increase that was passed by the school board a few weeks ago.
I understand very well that the pay is generally connected to the area’s cost of living but it’s just way too low. It’s not like you could get a decent 2 bedroom apartment in Pensacola (Escambria County) for $300. Now, what’s even more shocking is that the teacher in the video makes 48K a year after 20 years of teaching with a graduate degree. From my understanding after reading your comments in here, you also had more than 20 years of experience as well. In my area (I’m pretty sure the cost of living is not much higher than where you’re from), the both of you would make about $110K a year with your years in teaching and your graduate degrees. There are substitute teachers in my area who does not even hold a Bachelor’s degree and have very little if any teaching experience at all and they’re making almost as much or just as much as the both of you.
@@Kotaro1326 That's why I left the State of FL in 2019.
It was the best move I ever made.
I just woke up to bad parenting, teacher hating parents & admin, district manipulation to keep its teachers working long hrs w/o pay in FL, no job security, & no protection against violence in the workplace--schools.
I love my new state. Some said it was more expensive but I make 110% more than I did in FL & the cost of living was only 40% higher....win...win.
Why I didn't go into teaching, I was a teaching assistant for 2 years and the school wanted to give me a temporary license. No way, I got out of there.
Growing up, I went to a rough boys school for the trades, woodworking etc. Used to be fights every day either between individuals or entire class on class brawls. We were mean and tough but the teachers were meaner and tougher. Had to be that way to keep our asses in line. I happened in a fit of nostalgia to visit the school website. I noticed they now allow the students to rate the teachers and I can see the score breakdown publicly. Couldn't believe my eyes, like giving the baddies the keys to the kingdom. I know this is the trend but it's messed up. Children are not always angels.
My anxiety is through the roof for so many reasons. I’m thinking about downgrading my place and finding a job at like..Costco lol
Speaking of retail store, one employee who was a teacher at an area learning center and quits because these kids are violent and bring knives to that program. He worked at Target full time with me. I was a special needs student and can't imagine this teacher who went through alot of stress and paranoid.
Me too!
@@jblank1862 Except I probably won’t. I can pay my rent to live alone with this job.
Decades long problem-I quit after being attacked twice and administration refusing to add security.
were losing all good teachers like this its sad all teachers are evil now :(
It's because those evil teachers are cut from the same cloth as those subpar students, parents, and administrators who together make the world of teaching an absolute living and working hell. I have worked with "evil teachers" before. They are hate-filled butt kissers who love to gossip and have terrible people skills. The only reason they went into teaching was because they would have power over other people who were weaker physically and less developed mentally than them. Then when those same teachers spread their filth unto other teachers, everything goes right down the toilet and teachers like this guy in the video see that it is simply not worth it anymore.
Yep, retired Dr. B. blogged abt the toxic training admin goes thru, in the State of Florida, in an effort to get more out of teachers for less pay & how to get them to work double shifts for free.
- Secretly zoom into the computerized telephone system to listen in on the classroom
- Make them feel inadequate
- Boast abt how well other peers are doing a better job than you
- intimate that the teacher is slow or not that bright
- Give the teacher low iObservation evals in the 2.4 to 2.8 range & that will encourage them to do an extra 40 hrs a week, work fm hm w/o pay, work on holidays & weekends for no pay.
- Encourage team leaders to abuse the teachers so they will be so broken they'll do what is expected w/o compensation
I voted with my feet. Wawa pays its managers a starting salary of $65-85K.
They have a word for that sl...e.
It's because students these days pick their butts and make TikTok videos
Toxic and bad students also affect teachers man... not just because of the system...
That’s just silly. I hope you meant it as satire. All the teachers remaining are not evil. Not everyone has the luxury of walking out on a profession they spent years and thousands of dollars to enter.
I took 2 weeks off for myself this year because it was getting so bad, and immediately, my wife noticed I was smiling and laughing more. I'm considering making it more permanent...
No lies told!
Good for him, and i agree with him. I hope he finds someway to make a living though, the healthcare system in this country is backward as hell especially for those who are unemployed.
Yep I'm out
When the behaviors of students are being ignored or not resolutely addressed and dealt with by administration and political BS like CRT, "equity," and other nonsensical garbage is infecting the classroom, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?!!
I would recommend expanding your sources on CRT. Most schools don't teach it and don't intend to. It's more about confronting the past, disparities that exist, and thinking about what progress we as a nation have made and what we have yet to do.
Exactly… it makes it really hard to actually teach when %80 of your time is spent constantly stopping to address behavior or getting interrupted. There is no feeling of self responsibility or repercussion in students now.
It is incredibly stressful on teachers.
I stared teaching a week ago and I’m quitting
Me too. Went from sub to teacher and realized quickly this isn't for me
Public education has been a joke since 1970 when I was in 7th grade. I never learned Anything in public school except how to play the saxophone and read music. I could of started college in the 8th grade. Can only imagine what a nightmare public schools are today. 50% drop out rate etc.
I'm a first year teacher and honestly I've never been more miserable in my life...I really don't know what to do....
1st year teacher here and I HEAR you! When I try to tell some close ones how stressful it is, they just tell me that every job is stressful and to suck it up. It really annoys me because I've worked plenty of stressful jobs and I've never worked a job where I felt ready to jump ship in the first 2 months. With all honesty I couldn't recommend people to go into teaching now a days. I'm trying my best to make it to the end of the year then switch professions.
@@pault9544 Exactly! It's a different type of stress when there is next to NO support from your administration, constant changes to what you are expected to do in the class on a weekly basis and 99% of the time you're taking some form of work home with you. The other day I had a student from another teachers class just come into my room and start talking to a student. I asked her to leave and she refused and said I should "lose the tone out of my voice". Wrote a referral and nothing happened! 0/10 wouldn't recommend as a career :(
@nienna_6667 students talk down to us as if they're the adults. It's astounding! I've never dealt with such attitude in my life.
That's sad that they're not doing anything. I've written up students and gotten them suspended for 1-2 days. While it's nice that short window that they're gone, once they come back they just continue their same behavior. Its a flawed system. Worst of all parents don't truly discipline their children, that's why they're A-holes. Even suspending them does not change their behavior, seeing how they clearly don't want to be at school begin with.
Toxic working place and toxic children.
I quit after 23 years. So much has changed since I started. So sad it’s a miserable profession because a grocery bagger gets more attention respect than a teacher who commits their lives trying to help kids….with drugs, violence, no obedience countering attacks of misused sexual misconduct…if you look at a student a certain way your discredited and not to mention POLITICS that keep you humiliated for being a teacher and made to work in the dog house! Would you care to have summers off if you got paid below poverty level pay while paying off student loans and paying out $$$$ thousands for classroom supplies? Tax deduction okay but when you’re receiving 23k, I think fast food pays more for 10-12 hours/day! Less than 6% of US teachers can actually purchase a home if they have substantial family financial assistance. So humiliating and embarrassing. This is only the tip of the iceberg.
Sanity is better than any form of frustration that is caused by being in the classroom with unruly children. I understand this teacher completely and support his efforts to find peace in doing something that is less stressful and more fulfilling in life. I worked in the public school system because of the mother's hours as a paraeducator for 20 years too long. Recently went back to school and got a degree in psychology, I resigned from my job in June of this year, and the level of bad behaviors and stress of the job was too much. Now I have to find a job that brings me joy.
Good for you! And yes, the district's hands are tied, to some degree. The state has passed new laws that prevent Unions from protecting us, and admin from disciplining.
I don't know what test scores do tbh what do they want mkre peowpel to spend money on colleges and in more debt? What's the end goal???
Why would anybody want to be a K-12 teacher these days?
I'm gloriously retired after 26 years teaching math at the same high school. It was fun over a decade ago when kids had 2 or 3 diploma tracks and there were no damned smart phones.
It's a ploy to have public schools fail, so that everyone pays tuition to private schools. As parents, demand better salaries for teachers, more incentives for teachers, and more schools. Former teachers run for School Council / state house and state senate / us house and us senate. We need better candidates to vote for, and people who actually care about making a difference.
You got it!! However, please remember that politics is the problem not the solution.
That's a horrible idea.
Those teenagers threatened people
In England we have an expression from World War I: heros led by donkeys. Could apply also to teachers.
Sad
Good, I only hope it gets worse for teachers. They're not innocent by any means.
A lot of jobs are like this. Read what Disney did to its IT department programmers.
It doesn’t help when parents want the teachers to babysit and can’t be parents. It will get to the point when we won’t have any teachers because of these students and parents!!!!!!
He's right
Students are running the schools and principals making teacher's lives miserable too
I think he has a tick on his arm i know its a bug but hopefully not a dangerous one
I'm leaving because schools are toxic environments. And I'm also happy because now I can drop my kids off and watch them enter the toxic environment.
Teachers who become a quitter teach their student be quitters. Pretending to be a teacher is no different than mooching off the government for a free check. It's not much but you take pride in what you have. You have no pride..
Exactly, got to be a good leader like the Christ. That’s how I look at it. I’m a Christian and an educator.
@@toma3447 I don't give a ratz azz about gods lil' liars rapist thi😝eves, colonist. Fuq U also.
thw world never knew
And this took place before COVID>
Shes not telling the entire truth: hes getting a pension thats why hes "quitting"
You cannot receive a pension until you finish your retirement term depending upon the state. Usually it is 65 years of age. I’ve served 23 years and cannot receive a pension for another 15 years!
America once a melting pot is now just the pot (i.e., the toilet). Yes, I was a physics professor.
Keep being bad students GOOD JOB 👍
Teaching isn’t a toxic profession. Being in a “Union” is.
My wife is a teacher. Most of the issues that her and her fellow teachers have is with school boards and every other level of government trying to run her classroom, even though almost none of these people have any teaching experience. Every year the work load increases as teachers are given new requirements, new hoops to jump through, new forms to fill out, and less control in their classroom. The "union" thing really isn't that important good or bad anymore. Years ago, the UNION was the problem--not so much anymore.
As you have seen across the nation, the union is only as strong as its membership. There is power in numbers, but FL hasn't figured that out yet. Kentucky did, Michigan did, Virginia did, California did....
You dope.... The only reason you have an 8-hour workday, a 5-day work week, employer paid healthcare, paid vacations, national holidays off, safe working conditions, on-site daycare, pensions, and any other benefit you can conjure up in that pointy little head of yours is because people in UNIONS fought to acquire them for you. Are you so completely duped into believing those who employ you would have freely bestowed them upon you if workers didn’t band together to demand them? Try studying labor relations for the past 130 years and learn something about “unions” instead of swallowing your right wing porridge like a baby sparrow gobbles it’s mama’s vomit.
How silly. We don't have unions in our state, but it's toxic to literally be placed in a cafeteria or a library because there aren't enough teachers and you are forced to teach different topics at the same time. It's also toxic to be asked to complete seven hours of paperwork for the state every Sunday. It's toxic when kids are not given access to SPED education because of funding and are thrown into the general education when they need more support. People make all sorts of comments without having walked in others shoes.
@@michaelmccauley648 Oh, you're only describing my 1st 5 yrs in edu in ese & esol . I've been there & more for 26 yrs. The on the job death rate of admin, teachers in our state is an out of control cover up.