It all begins with Greece, then we have mighty Rome. This road is paved forward by Aristotles famous student, Alexander the Great himself. As the great Roman Philosopher Horace famously once said about the Hellenes; “Captured Greece becomes our captor”. This is a profound self reflection with a deep understanding of how the Romans truly saw themselves, as being culturally conquered by the Greeks, which prophetically concludes full-circle with the Greco-Roman Eastern Empire that is ‘Byzantium’. This glorious world record breaking empire, represents a Greek mind with a Roman body that keeps the dream alive for another Millenia. From beginning to end, this constitutes THOUSANDS of years of high civilisation that will never again be equaled nor replicated; “Western Civilisation”. Today the West is experiencing its second fall of Constantinople. This is why we think of Rome. We dread the coming of another extended (nuclear) dark age, as all remnants of our great past continues to be eroded away. We are so disconnected from this past, that we no longer recognise ourselves. The Barbarians aren’t just at the gates. WE ARE THE BARBARIANS. 😢
The Byzantine Empire, often referred to as the Eastern Roman Empire, emerged in 330 AD when Emperor Constantine the Great established Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul) as the new capital of the Roman Empire. Over the centuries, the Byzantine Empire faced numerous challenges, including invasions by barbarian tribes, wars with Persians, and internal power struggles. During its early years, Byzantium preserved many aspects of the Roman culture and administration. However, it also adopted Greek as its official language and embraced Christianity. In 395 AD, the Roman Empire split into Eastern and Western halves, with Byzantium becoming the center of the Eastern Roman Empire. The Byzantine Empire reached its peak under Emperor Justinian I (reigned 527-565 AD). Justinian's reign saw the construction of the Hagia Sophia, a significant work of Byzantine architecture, and the codification of Roman laws in the Corpus Juris Civilis. Despite Justinian's military successes, the empire faced continuous threats from various forces, including the Sassanid Persians and the Arab Muslims. In the following centuries, the Byzantine Empire gradually lost territories to Muslim conquests, including the fall of Jerusalem in 637 AD and the capture of Constantinople by the Fourth Crusade in 1204 AD. The Byzantines managed to recapture Constantinople in 1261, but the empire continued to weaken. The empire's decline persisted, marked by conflicts with the Ottoman Turks. Finally, in 1453, Constantinople fell to the Ottoman Empire, leading to the end of the Byzantine Empire and the beginning of a new era in the region's history.
I agree that bureaucracy can be good with those in charge having genuine altruism and benevolence, obviously our conversations around liberal small government values and big government systems are all broadly inhabiting the big government end of the spectrum when we are talking about this country. I think the concept of citizentry buying into 'their' country is probably the starting point... we are losing that, there is not a widespread respect nor trust of either politicians or government in general, looking at footage and physical evidence from the 50s makes me realise that once we did have that. There are these wonderful child health clinics and schools of arts, all from the war and near post war era that no longer exist, why did the neighbourhood baby health clinics get shut down?, just a small vignette, but this embodies what i would describe as a change of focus, big beurocracy that is feedimg the grass roots needs, vs big bureaucracy which is feeding itself, and there's an important distinction. I dont think the general public see government as serving them, therefore its hard to see onself as part of it. Perhaps its too top down, perhaps its the enormous increase in cultural diversity, less clear cut comon values, perhaps is obvious self serving political parties and politicians, perhaps its the vision that is missing, a vision once provided by important social institutions like the church, schools, clubs, scouts that created a sense of national pride and individual responsibility.
To add as well, part of the reason Byzantium was so good was it was in reality just the Roman Empire, the Roman Empire didn't effectively fall until the Byzantines fell basically the biggest difference between Byzantium and Rome was one had the state religion of Hellenism and the other had the state religion of Orthodox Christianity.
Exactly having a good rolemodel, teacher. Not parents who just have kids because it's "easy". Or just want them without any thought to teach the kids. And then blame them for not being good enough. Says my dad the alcoholic and most teachers who just look down on you, or don't care to explain in ways you would understand. From primary, to highschool there was maybe 1 good profesor out of 60 that I had. Through out my life. Maybe 2 out of 100. But they are extra rare pokemon. They just take it as a job. Not teaching kids. A 9-5. Ridiculous.
Broadly true though I do think you are being slightly dismissive of the caliphates -- the Baghdad house of wisdom was instrumental in preserving Ancient Greek, Persian, and Roman knowledge, and the islamic world made significant progress in fields like mathematics
Yeah Bagdad was the shit, that whole city was set up to thrive. I can't remember who the guy was, but he didn't want his capital too close to Damascus or too far away from the Yemenites
@@markcoroneos7811 Man, some people are so ready to bash Mussys any way they can that they even forget how to read properly. Then again a lot of them can't read properly in the first place, can they?
I wouldn’t say the entire west since in English speaking countries we practice common law which is largely its own thing. Although there definitely is at least some Roman influence, it was not based on Roman law like how civil law is.
You think books were part of school. Why would I read it randomly. Now warhammer. I'll read, listen and eat that intel up. Many times. Learning history just makes me mad.
Arabs called them Al-Rumi (Roomi), meaning "from Rome". There's no east-west Roman distinction in classical Arabic literature. When Prophet Muhammad sent the letter to Emperor Heraclius, he was addressed as emperor of Rome.
If you want to be precise Byzantines were Greeks with Roman citizenship and called themselves Romaioi (Romans), Graikoi (Greeks), Raikoi (Greeks), Hellenes (Greeks), Helladikoi (Greeks) and Romellenes (Roman Greeks).
Reg: "All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
It all begins with Greece, then we have mighty Rome. This road is paved forward by Aristotles famous student, Alexander the Great himself. As the great Roman Philosopher Horace famously once said about the Hellenes; “Captured Greece becomes our captor”. This is a profound self reflection with a deep understanding of how the Romans truly saw themselves, as being culturally conquered by the Greeks, which prophetically concludes full-circle with the Greco-Roman Eastern Empire that is ‘Byzantium’. This glorious world record breaking empire, represents a Greek mind with a Roman body that keeps the dream alive for another Millenia. From beginning to end, this constitutes THOUSANDS of years of high civilisation that will never again be equaled nor replicated; “Western Civilisation”. Today the West is experiencing its second fall of Constantinople. This is why we think of Rome. We dread the coming of another extended (nuclear) dark age, as all remnants of our great past continues to be eroded away. We are so disconnected from this past, that we no longer recognise ourselves. The Barbarians aren’t just at the gates. WE ARE THE BARBARIANS. 😢
The Byzantine Empire, often referred to as the Eastern Roman Empire, emerged in 330 AD when Emperor Constantine the Great established Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul) as the new capital of the Roman Empire. Over the centuries, the Byzantine Empire faced numerous challenges, including invasions by barbarian tribes, wars with Persians, and internal power struggles.
During its early years, Byzantium preserved many aspects of the Roman culture and administration. However, it also adopted Greek as its official language and embraced Christianity. In 395 AD, the Roman Empire split into Eastern and Western halves, with Byzantium becoming the center of the Eastern Roman Empire.
The Byzantine Empire reached its peak under Emperor Justinian I (reigned 527-565 AD). Justinian's reign saw the construction of the Hagia Sophia, a significant work of Byzantine architecture, and the codification of Roman laws in the Corpus Juris Civilis. Despite Justinian's military successes, the empire faced continuous threats from various forces, including the Sassanid Persians and the Arab Muslims.
In the following centuries, the Byzantine Empire gradually lost territories to Muslim conquests, including the fall of Jerusalem in 637 AD and the capture of Constantinople by the Fourth Crusade in 1204 AD. The Byzantines managed to recapture Constantinople in 1261, but the empire continued to weaken.
The empire's decline persisted, marked by conflicts with the Ottoman Turks. Finally, in 1453, Constantinople fell to the Ottoman Empire, leading to the end of the Byzantine Empire and the beginning of a new era in the region's history.
I agree that bureaucracy can be good with those in charge having genuine altruism and benevolence, obviously our conversations around liberal small government values and big government systems are all broadly inhabiting the big government end of the spectrum when we are talking about this country. I think the concept of citizentry buying into 'their' country is probably the starting point... we are losing that, there is not a widespread respect nor trust of either politicians or government in general, looking at footage and physical evidence from the 50s makes me realise that once we did have that. There are these wonderful child health clinics and schools of arts, all from the war and near post war era that no longer exist, why did the neighbourhood baby health clinics get shut down?, just a small vignette, but this embodies what i would describe as a change of focus, big beurocracy that is feedimg the grass roots needs, vs big bureaucracy which is feeding itself, and there's an important distinction. I dont think the general public see government as serving them, therefore its hard to see onself as part of it. Perhaps its too top down, perhaps its the enormous increase in cultural diversity, less clear cut comon values, perhaps is obvious self serving political parties and politicians, perhaps its the vision that is missing, a vision once provided by important social institutions like the church, schools, clubs, scouts that created a sense of national pride and individual responsibility.
You made these points so well. I am so pumped for your next show about this, but I'd really love to see you do a serious TED talk about this.
Jordies sounding like every academic Greek dad
To add as well, part of the reason Byzantium was so good was it was in reality just the Roman Empire, the Roman Empire didn't effectively fall until the Byzantines fell basically the biggest difference between Byzantium and Rome was one had the state religion of Hellenism and the other had the state religion of Orthodox Christianity.
Big props to the Theodosian Walls as well for protecting Constantinople for over 1000 years (just don't mention the 4th Crusade)
Why doesn't Mislav ever take off his hat?
Imagine the smell.
Under over on jordies becoming emperor of Australia / 2nd roman enpire
Waaah hammer tattoo jordie! We'll never let this go
Idiocracy is, the best documentary made
It's scary how true that is becoming.
"All roads lead to the ...Cronulla 40k shop
....fuck!!"
Less chit chat more history Jordies! for once the bong head has the upper hand
Exactly having a good rolemodel, teacher. Not parents who just have kids because it's "easy". Or just want them without any thought to teach the kids. And then blame them for not being good enough. Says my dad the alcoholic and most teachers who just look down on you, or don't care to explain in ways you would understand. From primary, to highschool there was maybe 1 good profesor out of 60 that I had. Through out my life. Maybe 2 out of 100. But they are extra rare pokemon. They just take it as a job. Not teaching kids. A 9-5. Ridiculous.
The emperor better not have clothes!!!
That is certainly a novel way of looking at it...
Broadly true though I do think you are being slightly dismissive of the caliphates -- the Baghdad house of wisdom was instrumental in preserving Ancient Greek, Persian, and Roman knowledge, and the islamic world made significant progress in fields like mathematics
Yeah Bagdad was the shit, that whole city was set up to thrive. I can't remember who the guy was, but he didn't want his capital too close to Damascus or too far away from the Yemenites
Where did the caliphates get that knowledge in the first place 😉
@@markcoroneos7811did you read the comment they explicitly said that they preserved Persian, Greek and Roman knowledge
@@markcoroneos7811 Man, some people are so ready to bash Mussys any way they can that they even forget how to read properly. Then again a lot of them can't read properly in the first place, can they?
mans so desperate he ignored that the 'question' he wanted to pose was answer so he could be smug. Out here WILDIN'@@markcoroneos7811
And don’t forget that the entire west’s legal code is based on Justinian’s
I wouldn’t say the entire west since in English speaking countries we practice common law which is largely its own thing. Although there definitely is at least some Roman influence, it was not based on Roman law like how civil law is.
Yeah people underestimate the impact of Germanic legal on the development of western law@@angoose2515
when r u getting a war Hamer tattoo u have 1m subs
Wasnt thinking about the roman empire enough? Now i have to think about the byzantines?
ehh it's legally the same empire
@@DCCrisisclips yeah if you think about the roman empire enough it gets pretty nuanced
You think books were part of school. Why would I read it randomly. Now warhammer. I'll read, listen and eat that intel up. Many times. Learning history just makes me mad.
Curtain..... shame, interesting topic.
Calling it Byzantium is euro-centric. They called themselves the eastern romans.
I think just Romans, and they referred to their land as Romania, land of the Romans
Good job "wellll actualllly" team.
Arabs called them Al-Rumi (Roomi), meaning "from Rome". There's no east-west Roman distinction in classical Arabic literature. When Prophet Muhammad sent the letter to Emperor Heraclius, he was addressed as emperor of Rome.
um actually they called themselves romans
If you want to be precise Byzantines were Greeks with Roman citizenship and called themselves Romaioi (Romans), Graikoi (Greeks), Raikoi (Greeks), Hellenes (Greeks), Helladikoi (Greeks) and Romellenes (Roman Greeks).
I know times are tough and everyone's gotta make a living ... but boner pills? dude have some self respect
Reg: "All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
Tau propaganda, heresy reported.