Five Souls Lore Mysteries that were Solved
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"lost the annals" vs "lost from the annals" was such a big blunder.
Easy mistake to make when you're parsing loads of text, but yeah... Big difference!
It's actually lost to the annals
Ludwig being revealed in all his, er, splendour, in the DLC after using his “holy blade” in my first play through was good.
It was fantastic
I'm still curious what the end game of the primordial serpents is. Why are they playing both sides? What are they up to? I really wished the sequels had addressed this better.
One option is they wish to revert the world to the state it was in the Age of Ancients, the "team dragon" option, but I'm not sure how much sense that would make. Another option is they somehow feed or benefit from the cycle of the flame being linked, fading, and being linked again. And there are far more esoteric possibilities such as them being symbolic of aspects of human nature etc. Ultimately, FromSoft never elaborated on it (although it almost seems like they were going to at some point in DaS3's development cycle, if you look at the early leaked screenshots) In my mind, they benefit from the conflict in some way. The fact that Frampt will gobble up anything you give him gave me that impression, amongst other things.
@@SilverMont Those screenshots always leave me a sense of "what could have been?"
FROM uses caduceus imagery a lot, which is almost like a western version of Yin-Yang. If you combine the implications of 3 items, it hints towards an answer:
Covetous Serpent Rings (DS1):
"The serpent is an *imperfect dragon* and symbol of the Undead. Its habit of devouring prey
even larger than itself has led to an association of gluttony."
Watchdragon Parma (DS2):
"A shield decorated by intertwined *dragons.*
The black and white contrast depicts the
ebb and flow of the fate of all things living.
and the *serpentine dragons* that watch over
the march of time."
And the Caduceus Round Shield (DS1):
"Round wooden shield crafted in Lordran. Decorated by an ancient blue Caduceus.
The giant trees in Lordran are distant offspring of the great stone archtrees. This shield inherits their properites, and the wood greatly reduces magic damage."
My interpretation is basically that they represent the fate of life after the age of lifeless stone dragons has ended.
Giant trees replaced stone Archtrees and serpents replaced stone dragons, but their properties stay the same as the shepards of fate.
Kaathe is like the serpent from the Garden of Eden tempting humans towards the dark, while Frampt is the light-side mirror, but both come from the same goal of guiding fate.
Since the fate of the world is all they care about, both end up at the Age of Dark ending, since you are the new Lord regardless of their individual plots.
All of the primordial serpents probably served Gwyn during the age of fire after his victory over the archdragons, because it’s the natural course that he inherits the world. Now that the fire is fading, the serpents are attempting to guide the world into that phase, accept for frampt who betrays them for whatever reason and sides with Gwyn in resisting fate. That’s pretty much all the information we get about them.
Why do they play both sides? So that way they can’t lose
All of this is speculation on my part so feel free to dismiss because it involves cut content, but I think the reason the Statue of Lothric is holding Sulyvahn's sword might be tied to an earlier version of the story. Most people know that Sulyvahn was originally the final boss and his boss track is the title screen music. However, what I gathered from years of looking at cut/changed stuff, it seems like the Twin Princes Boss had a 3rd phase at one point. In a very Berserk like fashion, that third phase would have the both of them enter into a "cocoon" like state and after some time would pass (I don't exactly know how it worked just yet but it wasn't instantly) you would fight that Newly formed King of the Eclipse after the fire would permanently(?) go out. And that's why the Statue has the Sword because it was his Sword, and why Pontif has two swords as it combines both brothers.
It just seems like in Fromsoft's haste to rewrite the story, shuffle around the bosses and change entire areas during the last two years of development leading up to release. A lot of the assets that were used as environmental storytelling were still representative of the older version of the game and they just never updated those things. Again, feel free to dismiss as I know people don't like speculation based off cut content. It's just something that fascinates me as much as the lore in the final game does. And sometimes that stuff does do a good job of explaining things that the devs had at some point intended to be explained.
Ahh so you think that they basically fused into Sulyvahn in the original ending? Yeah that could make sense. Sulyvahn always felt... weird to me. His fight feels like it was sort of intended to be more important than it was, given his very fleshed out moveset and all that. Honestly, I know this is often the case, but I feel like Dark Souls III's earlier/original plans were WAY more interesting than what we got. Or perhaps that's just the case because I don't find DaS3 all that interesting compared to 1/2... or BB or ER.
I like parts of what they did with him though - like the fact he's sort of using sorcery to "mimic" Darkmoon Blade with his weapon, or so it seems.
Why would people think cleric beast was laurence, he's literal skull is in the great cathedral
The one in the dlc is just a dream, a different plane of existence, where he suffers for eternity, burning.
The actual laurence is dead, people theorise that the headless bloodletting beast we meet in the chalice dungeon is probabaly him, since its missing a head and theres a skull of a beast in the grand cathedral after amelia.
The normal bloodletting beast even has a scar on its face similar to the skull in the cathedral
I guess they were right only in the sense that he was the first cleric beast, but not THE cleric beast we fight. He was just "a" cleric beast.
They were 75% on the right track, since Laurence is literally just a super Cleric Beast that is the exact same model but on fire.
Obviously nameless' name is Gwynefroy
Gwynnywg
Gwyn Junior.
Gwynigga
Glad to see you around still, I’ve been a watcher since ds1. Love your voice with lore videos back then
Time is convoluted indeed
The one thing I have learnt from playing dark souls games and Elder ring too. No matter how good or tough the actual game is the lore videos will be have me wounder just how missed so much.
Haha, we usually have enough on our plates dealing with invaders, dragons and demons, without worrying about lore as well
I appreciate the Wheel of Time reference. Well played.
A thought comes to me about Filianore, what really happened when we woke her up. Maybe it wasn’t her slumber that preserved the spell that kept the Ringed City out of time, but her faith. The enchanted slumber kept her ignorant that Gwyn never intended to return for her. Her faith may have corroded in time if she was aware of the eons that passed. When we awaken her, she must’ve fully expected her father to be there, but he wasn’t. Wordlessly, she realized Gwyn broke his promise, and that realization broke her faith and herself. Similar to Davy Jones, after serving 10 years as ferryman of the drowned, found that Calypso broke her promise as well, and it destroyed him.
Gwyn could seal things with his power. Maybe she inherited some form of sealing, too.
1:41 congrats on being the first souls RUclipsr I’ve heard pronounce this name correctly
I just go by how Gough says em haha. With the exception of Ciaran, which he pronounced as Ki-rAn. But that's in cut content.
@@SilverMont tbh I didn’t even realise there was a line in the game that said her name haha, I just know ciaran is the Irish spelling of the name kieran. People tend to pronounce it like See-aren
Something that stuck out to me is the implication that human pine resin (or a similar substance) can be used in a ritual similar to what we see in the intro to DS1 to *make* an undead. Miyazaki was apparently very specific about how the scene with the woman grasping an ember and placing it on a corpse looked.
Nameless King is Faraam.
That could be a name for him, yeah!
@SilverMont you really think could be with all the insane mass of implied evidence, if not outright it is in game?
Yup. Sometimes the signs all point to one thing, and it might seem extremely likely, but it doesn't turn out to be the case. The sunlight warriors exist in DaS2 and they are separate from Faraam.
The main link between NK and Faraam is that both are considered gods of war. Other than that, the links are tangential at best. For example, the NK isn't lion themed at all, but Forossa has lion knights. Ornstein is, but he's only tangentially connected to the NK. They don't use any miracles or martial arts associated with him, either.
I don't think both being referred to as a god of war is enough evidence for me to conclude they are the same person.
1. The “Curse of Undeath” is just masterful to me. Ancient humans drew power from the dark, the fading of the fire ushers in the Age or Dark, i.e. the Age of Humanity whereas the Age of Fire is the Age of the Gods. Gwyn placed the Darksign on humans which appears once the fire starts to fade. I think humans as humans gain power from the fading of the flame, they become immortal, as the gods are immortal, but the Darksign causes people to slowly leak their humanity until they become mindless, soul-starved hollows. So he tricked people into thinking the the fading of the fire creates the “curse of undeath,” and the only known way to stop it is for humans to sacrifice themselves to prolong the Age of Fire. Again, it’s so masterful. Now Gwyn feared the dark so much that he was even willing to sacrifice himself to stop it. You could say that it was selfish, that he did it to preserve his power, but he did not benefit from his choice. The series really does make it ambiguous if the Dark is good or bad, Gwyn’s choice though makes me wonder if he was just scared of the unknown or if he knew something that we do not.
2. I like themes, so I prefer the idea that the Nameless King is “Gwynfor;” this coincides with Gwynevere and Gwyndolin, although Filianore in DS3 throws a monkey wrench into things and may lend credence to his name being Faraam, which is was implied to be in DS2. Now as cool and epic as I think the Nameless King is, Andre being him makes a lot of sense in hindsight and works well both thematically and would had made a great twist, this unassuming undead blacksmith is actually a disowned god in disguise. There were also possible clues of the missing blacksmith god being Andre iirc as he could also create divine and occult weapons, and Gwyn’s son also only respected armament. Maybe the blacksmith god “went missing” when Gwyn’s son left? If they went through with the original concept, hopefully “Andre” was just an alias and his name was actually Gwynfor, lol.
3. Clearly the canon endings of DS1 and DS2 is that someone linked the flame. For DS3? This is interesting; we know for sure that people are probably going to flee to the Painted World, but what happened in the outside world? I personally think the Lord of Holllows ending is canon, it was the secret ending that required extra steps and may be the third option that Aldia was talking about in DS2. The Lord of Cinders ending makes it look like the Age of Fire isn’t really sustainable anymore, but the Lord of Dark ending may be bad as well because the continual linking of the flame may have distorted the Dark, and Aldrich may have further corrupted it as well. In time, the balance may be restored and the cycles will continue again, as the Firekeeper suggested.
Yeah I feel that, if we take Dark Souls (1) in a vacuum, Andre being the "lost" Firstborn makes a lot of sense. As for NK, I do prefer the idea of him having a "Gwyn_" name, too.
I like the idea of nameless king's name being Gwyn the Second, fits perfectly for the first son to not even have a "similar name" to his father, but just having his actual name as his name, even more when he was the one to inherit the throne instead of being Faraam. That idea never made sense to me, even more when that's not even a name from Lordram or Anor Londo, it comes from Forrossa and even then, most of it's influence appear in drangleic, as it's closer to it (ds3 of couse has some too, but by that time literally everything is converging at a singular point so ofc there's going to be at least a mention of forrossan stuff)
"Gwynson" would be a hilarious name. Plus kinda fitting as son obviously sounds like sun and he's got that sunlight warrior covenant.
Miyazaki explicitly stated in an interview that the Firekeeper ending is the canon one in ds3, so we have that answered. Or japanese guide for ds3 lists that ending as canonical. Either way, that's the end of ends of DS at least for now!
Which interview was that? I don't think I've ever seen that. I'd be surprised if he said one ending was canon!
@@SilverMont So I remembered, it wasn't in an interview, it was in an official ds3 guide, in endings section, the fire fading ending has something like (canon) in brackets, if I'm not mistaken. Imma look into it and share what I can find
I think that makes sense as there was never a DS4 and likely never will be. Fromsoft and Miyasaki want to move on to new IP's like Sekiro, and Elden Ring. Thus the firelinking cicle coming to a close makes sense, while the painting could be seen as a different world. It's not like existence as a whole will end, there will be a future just not by continuing the first flame. Gael fought so that Aria (the girl) can paint a new world, aka Fromsoft making New games that aren't Dark Souls. In a media industry where everything is centered around making money for as long as possible by making as many sequels and spinoffs as possible preserving your artistic integrity by saying "enough is enough" seems like ther better option
I mean that was the point of the Painted World, it’s people who let their world die in fire so something new may be born; all the while mocking us in the outside world for being unable to accept the inevitable, sacrificing so much just to keep a dying age going just a little longer.
Excellent taste in Fantasy books my friend. Wheel of Time is GOAT'd
It was a favourite of mine as a teenager!
Nice video, babe, but I have a couple of disagreements.
I think Velka made the Darksign rather than Gwyn, considering how it, and Bonfires, feed on raw, concentrated Humanity, rather than matter proper.
"Undoubtedly, it was a flame of chaos, tangled by a witch's hand.
But who's to say that this Bonfire's flame is any different." (Cornyx on Izalith's Flame)
Also, the Soul Geyser description implicitly compares Aldia to the Lothric Scholar, but I believe the latter to actually be Sulyvahn, following in Aldia's legacy. Aldia worked for Lindelt and helped them replicate the Painted World (one such replica was Sulyvahn born in). Aldia and Sulyvahn studied after Velka and Seath (who initially shared the Regal Archives, 'til she was struck from the annals). Velka and Seath commited the First Sin, which was the hexing of Kalameet and all dragonkind.
Anyway, sorry for the long spiel. Love you, x.
Wasn`t the "nameless king`s" name Faaram? Seems the besto souls II gave is out his name in the form of the best armour set ever tho.
That's one option for his name, yeah. His covenant is in DaS2 as well.
I think yhe nameless kings name is filianore and was thinking about creating a video like this to address it. I mean he has Gwendolyn and gwynevere, then filianore and faraam.
I know Shadow of the erdtree is going to be focused on Miquella and Messmer but I really want more info on Godwyn, why did Ranni kill him
It's possible we'll learn something about him. I hope we do, too
Godwyn was the heir. The best way to destabilize the Golden Order would be to kill him
I swear, I'm about to offer a reward to anyone who can tell me where Artorias's wolf, Sif, came from. Not that she was left in the abyss or just the general idea of her being his companion, but where she was born, who gave her to Artorias.
I do have my own speculation: Sif has some connection to the Abyss, maybe even the giant humanity enemies or Manus himself. And they were once humans. The humanity creatures may have swarmed her out of recognition to take her back--they are drawn to life, but they also show some sentience and memories (like the "family" of humanities that people speculate they see when we come across two "parents" protecting their "child"). I'd like to think Sif once belonged to these humans when they were alive; maybe that village gave her to Artorias before they were swallowed up.
So she went in there to stop the corruption of those she once loved and saw the corruption take Artorias next... It adds another layer of motivation for why she would rather kill the protagonist or die trying.
Just when you thought her story couldn't get any sadder... smh.
I'd still like to know who Manus was, why was he so important/powerful, what his medallion was, and what his connection to Dusk (or someone like her) was. I know what the current consensus seems to be, that he was a powerful human Abyss sorcerer and NOT Mr Furtive, but I somehow find that answer very disappointing. And at one point, according to a dev interview, he WAS the Pygmy (which makes total sense, to then have all the four lords in the game).
A close second is probably the Profaned Flame's origins and nature. It felt like a concept they introduced and then promptly abandoned due to the reshuffling of bosses and backstories towards the end of DS3's development.
I know what you mean about das3, they seem to have just abandoned a bunch of ideas with that game, sadly.
Absolutely. The Eclipse, Gertrude, the serpents, King of the Eclipse, Profaned Flame, hollows turning into plants, the time switcheroo regarding Firelink, the writhing Abyss creatures, Ocelotte, murkmen and the Deep, Filianore and her egg, Londor, and so on -- all of these are woefully underdeveloped and confusing imo rather than "genius fragmented storytelling". It's one thing to be obscure (like much of DS1 or Demons or ER) and another to be close to unintelligible.
Sadly, FROM did such drastic changes to the 90% completed game near the finish line when they realized they won't be able to pull off what they had planned that it ruined a lot of DS3 I think.
And why does the Moon presence wants to kill Mergo
I still wanna know what the lost sinner did.
Used a katana in a fight club.
Got lost and sinned all over the place
my fav ending is the one where you crush the firekeeper into the ash to take the last embers from her... feels very canon to me. mhm.....
A lot like what Slayer of Demons could do to MiB in DeS haha
1. Who is the painter’s father?
2. What is the cause of the undead curse?
3. Why did the pilgrim butterflies in ds3 grow stronger and start hatching when the darksign grew more visible?
4. Why is the bed of chaos so bad?
5. Is snuggly a crow or a hawk?
I can answer 4 from a gameplay perspective: budget and time!
1. Me (I wish)
2. Gwyn put fire round dark soul make human skinny and ugly and immortal
3. Berserk bullshit
4. It’s actually pretty good if you just stand still and listen to the music while making a sandwich
5. Probably a crow, fromsoft just don’t know their ornithology
1.Does it matter?
2.It's the darksign and as it was answered in the video, is the creation of Gwyn, there's a reason it starts appearing near the fading of the Fire as it then pushes undead to link it in order to get rid of the curse, especially since the Chosen Undead prophecy is fabricated by gods for the same reason
3.If we go from Yoel who's a pilgrim and is from hollows of Londor it seems that in DS3 when the age of fire is at its end the dark soul influence is at its highest hence why we see the darksign in te sky and since pilgrims connected to hollows and undead in general they are reborn by its power. But this one is much more of a speculation that other ones since we have 0 lore on pilgrim butterflies
4.Miyazaki didn't learn his lesson from Dragon God and with limited time he had created an even worse version of that boss
5.Since both these names are fan made I'd personally go with crow, connects it to the crow in Undead Asylumn and Velka
So one obvious question. But what is the point of the Elden Tree? Like I get it's a symbol of the golden order. But what does it actually do? Is it just a place where dead souls go to? It must have some powers of it's own, or else Miquella wouldn't want to just grow one randomly to help his sister?
Tarnished archaeologist has a great theory on this (at least I think I heard it there) one of the carvings in game basically shows the erdtree bearing people on its branches like fruit, it's a carving so it doesn't have to be taken literally but it would explain what Melina said about being born at the foot of the erdtree
It also provided healing light and sap that would empower people (think the blessed dew talisman) before it became a phantom tree and more of a symbol of worship
The Erdtree produced sap that had some sort of rejuvenating/longevity properties before the shattering. It was this sap that made the lands between prosper as there was plenty to go around.
I'm guessing that's why people agreed to get buried in the tree, so that their bodies would fuel the next generation...until Marika removed Destined Death, which made everyone functionally immortal and accidentally brought the dead back to life, so Erdtree burial became a rare honour, bestowed only to the most accomplished warriors (and maybe enemies?).
We don't know what happened between then and now since the big golden thing is not the original pair of trees whose stumps we find in the Nameless Eternal City.
I'm sure we'll find out in a couple weeks though.
I think it was used to gather knowledge. Probably other things too. But when people died, part of them went into the tree and it gathered their respective knowledge and retained it.
Perhaps said knowledge would then be sent to the Greater Will via WiFi or being collected, to nourish it. And whether this "parasite tree" was harmful or an equivalent exchange, I dunno. It does (and did) bestow blessings. So maybe it was a good thing for everyone, but also drew the attention of other outer gods.
That's just my guess though, for why the Will sent the Beast down. Presumably it wanted something, and there are magic trees in myths that collect the souls and knowledge of the dead.
Hi Alex 🙂↔️
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Obtuse is a type of triangle 🤣🤣🤣... I think OBSCURE was the word you were looking for lol
No, I meant obtuse. Some words have multiple meanings, in fact!
"obtuse adjective (STUPID)
formal
stupid and slow to understand, or unwilling to try to understand:
The answer's obvious - or are you being deliberately obtuse?"
The 2nd stage of the Soul of Cinder is the redone Gwyn fight. Even has the same arena music. Don't see how the Nameless King would be the Gwyn fight we didn't get when Soul of Cinder is in the same game.
In the sense that Gwyn lost 99% of his power when we fought him and the Soul of Cinder is based on that version of him. Nameless King presumably has all or most of his power. He didn't have a Lord Soul, but he also didn't give up most of his power. Just that one miracle.
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I wish I could understand why the FromSoft fanbase has experienced such an insurgence of lying truth benders. I can't believe a guy who implies there's a deeper knowledge of who Nameless King is that we've missed for the past 8 years is the kind of person people are trusting with lore explanations. Don't even get me fucking started on Vaati.
Some people take the nebulous lore to mean "well you can't prove Gwyn DIDN'T have a golden AK47 because the game doesn't say that he didn't have one." You know? From made it, to my eyes, pretty evident that Nameless King = Gwyn's First Born. But they stop short of flat out saying it (even if all signs point toward that) which means some people will have doubts. I err on the side of caution when making videos and try to refrain from using definitive statements unless we know it's an undeniable fact.
Also, I dunno if you've got an issue with something I said or you're referring to someone else. But I, at least, am not implying NK is some unknown figure. In my opinion, he is Gwyn's first born.
Asides from the obvious like who is Velka, where is the real Havel, or what are Gwyndolin's pronouns, I still want to know what caused the schism between Anor Londo and Izalith. Did the chaos flame burn away demons' darksigns or something? I always found the markings on the Capra Demon's back and his mask intriguing.
Presumably, Gwyn saw them as a threat - the chaos flame was like an imitation of a great "natural" miracle, I think. The witch wanted to create life, and she succeeded, in a way. But the life she created was warped and horrible. Anyway, that's what I think.
@@SilverMont well we see from the Demon Prince that Gwyn was right to worry since they managed to make it to the end of time despite countless attempts to eradicate them.
I wonder what demon society would have looked like if it wasn't always under attack.
What would an age of demons look like? An age of chaos or an age of life?
@@elliottvantonder5477 Yeah the Demon Prince is interesting - didn't they change the description of his soul at some point? I have the vague memory of something hinting that all demons carry the "seed" of a prince within them. A warped species that are all connected in some way due to their common birth. So any demon can "become" the prince or whatever. They have been slowly dying out thanks to destroying the Bed of Chaos and the Old Chaos, but they still linger here and there.
@@SilverMont yeah, the old description said that the Prince's flame had faded away. The new description says that all beings of chaos share the Prince's flame and pride. Presumably an echo of the primordial chaos flame... Possibly the profaned flame.
I wonder if demons are linked in a manner similar to that of the bonfires.
I mean...Gwyndolin is called as him all the time in the games, is that really a mystery?
"...Before the dlc dropped". DLC release date June 21, 2024 its June 8, 2024
Perhaps he meant later when someone watches this video will know this video dropped b4 the DLC
Yeah I wasn't sure when I'd release this, but I knew it would be near the DLC and sometimes people forget the dates, so a year from now someone might leave a comment about DLC info I obviously wasn't aware of when I made this etc